lol This is so Ignorant. First "Greco Roman Wrestling" is from France, not Rome. The Romans used Pankration, which is an Ancient Greek Fighting Form. GRW was the name given because it was similar to the competitive fighting used in Greek & Roman competitions yet it dissipated the use of strikes. Pankration is arguably as old as Egyptian Styles. To say this is the source of fighting an to condemn other systems is Ignorant. I'm sure many, before & after have trained in combat techniques.
Africans have nothing to do with Chinese culture other than migrating out and becoming their own regional people. Most of the chinese culture we know today was developed independently from chinese people by chinese people. That's the fact.
I've got to say, the historical claims in this video are fabricated at best. "Fighting" developed in primal man, a form of basic wrestling that is even present in primates of today, as a way of settling disputes within local tribes. It is a universal of mankind. The hieroglyphics found in Egypt, more accurately the tomb at beni hasan, depicts a form of ancient wrestling.
There is no evidence to support the unbelievable sufficiency that you claim in these markings, which were dated at 2000 bce, nor do they accurately depict any form of martial art known anywhere else in the world, especially ancient chinese.
The EARLIEST known historical evidence of martial arts is related to the Babylonian city of Ur, which is found in modern day Middle East, not Egypt.
So the whole part of going on saying, "I can say that I invented Martial Arts because my people did." is as much a lie as the original lies that were spoken to you in whatever sources you claim, which I am yet to uncover. Middle Eastern people have the earliest evidence of martial arts, although armed.
There is NO EVIDENCE to support claims that the Chinese were influenced by Egyptian culture AT ALL, not in any ancient relics, architecture, cultural practices, anything. Whoever told you that simply had no idea what they were talking about. Ancient China was much more advanced than Egypt, in a contemporary sense, and there are even evidence of cave markings similar to hieroglyphics in Egypt found in China by 6000 BC, much earlier than Egypt..
The indian form of martial arts, as depicted in the Mahabharata, speaks of boxing matches where kicks, headbutts, and finger jabs were used, but the Mahabharata is dated 800 bc.
I'm sorry, but you just can't go around saying stuff with no credible sources and expect credibility. Show evidence, and perhaps your boasting can actually be supported. until then, you just sound like a know it all who knows little.
@StimulatedMindz Where iz your proof? First of all Tehuti 7 principles is the basis of the way or Taoism. Yo Timbuktu was the oldest University in Khemet Nations from all over to learn among the Masters. Every Religion known to man came out of Afrika. with that 6000 BC thing you trying to say that China had Heiroglyphics prior
to the Khemetic people. Come on partner it was on The Tribute to the Masters that Martial Arts started in Afrika and Chinese Masters were present.
You contradict yourself so many times, you void any reason to even reply to you. Anything even remotely intellectual would be forfeit the moment words, like these ones, would be exchanged between us.
But what I really ADORE is that you actually started your ramblings asking for proof... PROOF... How dare you?! You didn't even read what I said! So let me ask again, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?!?!?!
Oh yea... doesn't exist.
To name one religion.
Confucianism.
Oh yea, that was chinese... and anything chinese is instantly accredited to Egypt, which is Afrikan. Not sub-saharan, but Afrikan. Sorry Chinese people. You don't exist.
@StimulatedMindz I agree with you, don't waste your time arguing with these low minded people. We don't call Americans and their inventions British inventions anymore, yet at one time they were British. They need to realize people and cultures diversify and change over time, and that many arts and cultures, developed independently from Africa, by people who established themselves. it's like saying the phonograph was invented by an African (which is false), just because Thomas Edison is a man.
@vnpRINCe u must be a prop agent!(propaganda). Why do you keep refering to egypt. Kemetic influence is all over the world structually, masonically etc. The biggest influence the don't have is the diet. The did real good with erasing that from our history.
Brother Jujitsu has kicks punches throws etc. now the Gracies might over enphasize ground fighting but get the facts straight. Now judo is a watered down sport derivieed from Jujitsu the inventer of Judo was a Jujitsu practitioner.Look at Comstock,52 blocks,Capoeira,etc. those are Black martial arts every were people had to defend themselves they have a fighting system.
Many have tried to claim Pankration is the first mixed martial art, but it is a watered down version of the Kushite original called Pan Kau Ra Shen which means " fighting with the power of Ra ". Ra is a reference to the Egyptian God Ra. Also remember that the Greeks wrestled in honor of the African God Amon who they renamed Zeus. the greeks gained their knowledge of the grappling arts period from Nubian wrestling in Egypt, which is where their grappling styles came from.
True but i Didint have 2 i use my brain n thaught of possible Human Movements... i still have a long way 2 go but im getting there as long as u nkow your body u can do matialarts and be able 2 use advance self defence passed da simple striking
I have heard of pankration. realize something egypt was the mecca of the world back then much like america is today. you do know that the egyptians help start and build the greek empire and the roman empire as well. let me help you out. research about who arrived in ancient china and what took place in china once these people arrived there and what was left to the ancient chinese culture once they were gone.
The Chinese were influenced by Egyptians? There's no credible sources or any archeological evidence to suggest anything to the extent you're saying. China was the most advanced ancient civilization in the world.
@VNPrince Do your research sir, True China was an advanced civilization , but you got to give credit where credit is do. The ancient egyptians influenced the chinese culture hands down, there is more than enough proof to prove this. Heck the chinese people say it themselves, what better proof do you need then that if you can get it from the horses mouth.
You have to give credit to where it belongs, TRUE. Give me a credible source to back up your claim. Pardon my english.... but what do you mean by "horses mouth", is that an insult? The Chinese were the MOST advanced for 2000 years in history. To cause influence on something means you have to be in a greater position than they are so how come Egyptians aren't considered most advanced back then? Tell me where and how did Egyptians play a role in China's development.
Go on Google type in Egypt influence on ..... And you'll only see Modern world and GREECE. I did my research and I found nothing. Please show me where to find a credible source.
I know alot of Chinese people, I dunno what you're saying but no Chinese I know says Egypt influences China. No credible books/research (archeology, anthropology etc... ) evidence suggest this. Even if there's a rigged/bias piece of evidence... it's not even out there. Please show me.
Imagine wearing all that armor and you are thrown on your back. The weight would make you cumbersom. When you watch UFC, sometimes you see 1 fighter on the ground with 1 fighter standing over him. The fighter standing over him just waits for the grounded fighter to posture himself to TRY to stand up, its so easy to kick someone in the face while they are trying to stand up, imagine 100 lbs on your body while trying to stand up, PLUS its not a smooth stand up, metal plates would grind together.
Judo came from Ju-Jitsu. The throw was used to knock out armored soldiers. The reason why soldiers knock out so "easily" was because of the armor they wore. They wore loose armor, plates of metal that were laced to there body with rope. If the body was violently thrown to the ground, the space between the armor and thier body would quickley disappear and the metal plates would smash into thier body, like a car crash. When they were knocked out, they finished the job with a knife.
lol This is so Ignorant. First "Greco Roman Wrestling" is from France, not Rome. The Romans used Pankration, which is an Ancient Greek Fighting Form. GRW was the name given because it was similar to the competitive fighting used in Greek & Roman competitions yet it dissipated the use of strikes. Pankration is arguably as old as Egyptian Styles. To say this is the source of fighting an to condemn other systems is Ignorant. I'm sure many, before & after have trained in combat techniques.
07Proto 7 months ago
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TheAmen1212 6 months ago
@07Proto
doesn't matter because anyone From afrika would whoop their ass
onlytymecantell 2 months ago
Teach me!
onlytymecantell 1 year ago
Africans have nothing to do with Chinese culture other than migrating out and becoming their own regional people. Most of the chinese culture we know today was developed independently from chinese people by chinese people. That's the fact.
wonphi 1 year ago
@consciouscafe1 good shit man u definitely know ur history ...native americans was us too
weightlessable 1 year ago
@weightlessable Thanks bro. and yes they was.
consciouscafe1 1 year ago
@stimulatedMindz Are you aware that the oldest Clan in China were Afrikan? Where do you think those Heiroglyphic came from?
ThaFlyestMoor72 1 year ago
@consciouscafe1 Indeed. Ur of the Chaldees and the Elamites are very closely linked to the Ethiopians
Songoku7Els 1 year ago
I've got to say, the historical claims in this video are fabricated at best. "Fighting" developed in primal man, a form of basic wrestling that is even present in primates of today, as a way of settling disputes within local tribes. It is a universal of mankind. The hieroglyphics found in Egypt, more accurately the tomb at beni hasan, depicts a form of ancient wrestling.
StimulatedMindz 2 years ago
There is no evidence to support the unbelievable sufficiency that you claim in these markings, which were dated at 2000 bce, nor do they accurately depict any form of martial art known anywhere else in the world, especially ancient chinese.
The EARLIEST known historical evidence of martial arts is related to the Babylonian city of Ur, which is found in modern day Middle East, not Egypt.
StimulatedMindz 2 years ago
So the whole part of going on saying, "I can say that I invented Martial Arts because my people did." is as much a lie as the original lies that were spoken to you in whatever sources you claim, which I am yet to uncover. Middle Eastern people have the earliest evidence of martial arts, although armed.
StimulatedMindz 2 years ago
There is NO EVIDENCE to support claims that the Chinese were influenced by Egyptian culture AT ALL, not in any ancient relics, architecture, cultural practices, anything. Whoever told you that simply had no idea what they were talking about. Ancient China was much more advanced than Egypt, in a contemporary sense, and there are even evidence of cave markings similar to hieroglyphics in Egypt found in China by 6000 BC, much earlier than Egypt..
StimulatedMindz 2 years ago
The indian form of martial arts, as depicted in the Mahabharata, speaks of boxing matches where kicks, headbutts, and finger jabs were used, but the Mahabharata is dated 800 bc.
I'm sorry, but you just can't go around saying stuff with no credible sources and expect credibility. Show evidence, and perhaps your boasting can actually be supported. until then, you just sound like a know it all who knows little.
StimulatedMindz 2 years ago
@StimulatedMindz Where iz your proof? First of all Tehuti 7 principles is the basis of the way or Taoism. Yo Timbuktu was the oldest University in Khemet Nations from all over to learn among the Masters. Every Religion known to man came out of Afrika. with that 6000 BC thing you trying to say that China had Heiroglyphics prior
to the Khemetic people. Come on partner it was on The Tribute to the Masters that Martial Arts started in Afrika and Chinese Masters were present.
ThaFlyestMoor72 1 year ago
@ThaFlyestMoor72
You contradict yourself so many times, you void any reason to even reply to you. Anything even remotely intellectual would be forfeit the moment words, like these ones, would be exchanged between us.
StimulatedMindz 1 year ago
@ThaFlyestMoor72
But what I really ADORE is that you actually started your ramblings asking for proof... PROOF... How dare you?! You didn't even read what I said! So let me ask again, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?!?!?!
Oh yea... doesn't exist.
To name one religion.
Confucianism.
Oh yea, that was chinese... and anything chinese is instantly accredited to Egypt, which is Afrikan. Not sub-saharan, but Afrikan. Sorry Chinese people. You don't exist.
StimulatedMindz 1 year ago
@StimulatedMindz I agree with you, don't waste your time arguing with these low minded people. We don't call Americans and their inventions British inventions anymore, yet at one time they were British. They need to realize people and cultures diversify and change over time, and that many arts and cultures, developed independently from Africa, by people who established themselves. it's like saying the phonograph was invented by an African (which is false), just because Thomas Edison is a man.
wonphi 1 year ago
@vnpRINCe u must be a prop agent!(propaganda). Why do you keep refering to egypt. Kemetic influence is all over the world structually, masonically etc. The biggest influence the don't have is the diet. The did real good with erasing that from our history.
FayettenamVeteran71 2 years ago
so what are you trying to say do you even know.
consciouscafe1 2 years ago
ok dude i heard you talking alot but not alot action to your system to what you talking about
hotpopcorncake 2 years ago
Brother Jujitsu has kicks punches throws etc. now the Gracies might over enphasize ground fighting but get the facts straight. Now judo is a watered down sport derivieed from Jujitsu the inventer of Judo was a Jujitsu practitioner.Look at Comstock,52 blocks,Capoeira,etc. those are Black martial arts every were people had to defend themselves they have a fighting system.
PolarisOneFilms 3 years ago 2
Many have tried to claim Pankration is the first mixed martial art, but it is a watered down version of the Kushite original called Pan Kau Ra Shen which means " fighting with the power of Ra ". Ra is a reference to the Egyptian God Ra. Also remember that the Greeks wrestled in honor of the African God Amon who they renamed Zeus. the greeks gained their knowledge of the grappling arts period from Nubian wrestling in Egypt, which is where their grappling styles came from.
HCWCombatArts 3 years ago
where did he get it from?
skip1108 3 years ago
True but i Didint have 2 i use my brain n thaught of possible Human Movements... i still have a long way 2 go but im getting there as long as u nkow your body u can do matialarts and be able 2 use advance self defence passed da simple striking
Ellmo05 3 years ago
I have heard of pankration. realize something egypt was the mecca of the world back then much like america is today. you do know that the egyptians help start and build the greek empire and the roman empire as well. let me help you out. research about who arrived in ancient china and what took place in china once these people arrived there and what was left to the ancient chinese culture once they were gone.
bigjheazy 3 years ago 2
What happened in Ancient china?
LeoBlight 3 years ago
so who was it?
PhillyPugilist 2 years ago
@PhillyPugilist It was the Ancient Egyptians that came into china, that taught the chinese many different things.
consciouscafe1 2 years ago
i never heard that. not saying i dont believe you, cuz it sounds interesting. ANy websites u know that talk about this??
PhillyPugilist 2 years ago
The Chinese were influenced by Egyptians? There's no credible sources or any archeological evidence to suggest anything to the extent you're saying. China was the most advanced ancient civilization in the world.
VNPrince 2 years ago
@VNPrince Do your research sir, True China was an advanced civilization , but you got to give credit where credit is do. The ancient egyptians influenced the chinese culture hands down, there is more than enough proof to prove this. Heck the chinese people say it themselves, what better proof do you need then that if you can get it from the horses mouth.
consciouscafe1 2 years ago
You have to give credit to where it belongs, TRUE. Give me a credible source to back up your claim. Pardon my english.... but what do you mean by "horses mouth", is that an insult? The Chinese were the MOST advanced for 2000 years in history. To cause influence on something means you have to be in a greater position than they are so how come Egyptians aren't considered most advanced back then? Tell me where and how did Egyptians play a role in China's development.
VNPrince 2 years ago
Go on Google type in Egypt influence on ..... And you'll only see Modern world and GREECE. I did my research and I found nothing. Please show me where to find a credible source.
I know alot of Chinese people, I dunno what you're saying but no Chinese I know says Egypt influences China. No credible books/research (archeology, anthropology etc... ) evidence suggest this. Even if there's a rigged/bias piece of evidence... it's not even out there. Please show me.
VNPrince 2 years ago
a dont think this guy has heard of pankration
nisbetsloyal 3 years ago
What is it? I have not heard of it. And is it older than Egypt?
skip1108 3 years ago
2:39, I can do this martial art, but you can't, lol. Post some vids from these challenges please.
SubZeroBJJ 3 years ago
Wow this video really said alot. Really informative, and you had the Egyptian hyroglifics.
RustyS122 3 years ago
This was a really cool discussion... thanks for sharing this vid.
Peace.
1ToNJaB 3 years ago
Imagine wearing all that armor and you are thrown on your back. The weight would make you cumbersom. When you watch UFC, sometimes you see 1 fighter on the ground with 1 fighter standing over him. The fighter standing over him just waits for the grounded fighter to posture himself to TRY to stand up, its so easy to kick someone in the face while they are trying to stand up, imagine 100 lbs on your body while trying to stand up, PLUS its not a smooth stand up, metal plates would grind together.
1ToNJaB 3 years ago
Judo came from Ju-Jitsu. The throw was used to knock out armored soldiers. The reason why soldiers knock out so "easily" was because of the armor they wore. They wore loose armor, plates of metal that were laced to there body with rope. If the body was violently thrown to the ground, the space between the armor and thier body would quickley disappear and the metal plates would smash into thier body, like a car crash. When they were knocked out, they finished the job with a knife.
1ToNJaB 3 years ago