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  • Yusuf Islam never criticised Salman Rushdie that was all lies created by the Murdoch Press. He has always stood for peace and understanding. I wish people would do their research before repeating this bile!

  • @diamondgeezer49 He said, and I quote, "I hope it's not an effigy (of Salman) they will burn but the real thing"

  • @diamondgeezer49 As much as I hate the Murdoch press and the British "outrage culture", and as I much as I love and respect the music and philanthropy of Yusuf, I have to say that he did say unacceptable things about Salman Rushdie, and he cannot deny this.

  • Cat Stevens was liked by many and now Yusuf Islam is hated by the very same people. it funny lol, how people can change cloths like camilion. you can hate the game but no need to hate the player.

  • so if he stayed on his drug/pussy binge, everyone would still like him right??

    then he'd be just like amy winehouse and whitney houston...

    good choice yusef, stay on your straight path.

    ps. fuck salman rushdie, if you havent read his book, take this opportunity to STFU!

  • This so called moderate Muslim who appears to be civilised, well meaning and "normal" not only wishes for the death but also appeals openly for the murder of another person because he wrote a book.....

    Fuck him and his primitive medieval views

  • All, without a doubt, all religion is murder. I love CAT STEVENS and I always will but Islam, Catholicism, Christianity to name a few have always and always will kill people. The peace religion craves will only be found when religion is left behind and replaced by science. The Inquisition that lasted 605 years killed at least 50 million people. Hitler did that in 1:12 of the time but he had technology on his side. Get real and join us in the REAL WORLD.

  • If you want to know what Islam is DO NOT look at the Muslims look at the religion itself.

    Not from a secondary source but by your own independent research.

  • fuck islam

  • he has transformed into a giant tit

  • "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. "

    all the respect i ever had for cat stevens disolved when i witnessed him comment on the fate of salman rushdie - only by converting to islam could he have participated in such an evil witch-hunt.

  • The ultimate irony? This guy sang "Peace Train"! :)

  • Even by youtubes standards there are a lot of very idiotic comments on this video.

  • he is a greek tragedy

  • why the Christians hate him ?? because he become a Muslim ?? what if he convert to Jewish would u hate him too ??

    what a Racism

  • @razo0og1234 Just watch Cat Steven calls for death of salman rushdie..

  • @razo0og1234 its sectarianism not racism as christians,jews and muslims are not a race,the are different branchs of the same religion

  • @razo0og1234 Christians and all normal thinking people are appalled by his live television appearance when he called for the death of Salman Rushdie. It's not racism, if anyone is supportive of another person's death or murder for no reason deserves to be hated

  • @razo0og1234 and also it is not possible to be racist against a religion as a religion is merely a set of ideas and practices, not a race of people. Have you ever thought that people might be criticial of a religion but not hate the people?

  • twat

  • So because God saved him from death, he started to really believe in him. What about all the others who didn't get saved? They couldn't believe in him, because they were frigging dead! Yusef, you're an asshole!

  • @bobheatliesongs i don't believe he is an asshole. prolly cuz i am biased and i love his music. but he is a fool for converting to ANY religion imo :| why do ppl still believe in fairy tales is beyond me :(

  • @bozaki87 dont judge all religions as being the same. research islam before u label it as fairy tale. ignorance is bliss

  • @sabr0ayub hey m8,

    my problem is not with islam per se - it's with religion in general. i thought of apologizing because my comment might seem offensive to some but i am not going to since no one seems to be apologizing for being a member of ANY religion.

    however i hope it makes cat happy and i do wish him all the best.

    i also wish you a nice day :)

  • @bozaki87 why u didnt post ur comment when he was still a catholic?!!...I think you are an asshole....

  • @bobheatliesongs he became an asshole because he reverted to Islam?! u guys are the bigest asshoes for hating Islam..

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  • Praise the Lord! there is many islamic terrorist converted to christian, watch Tass Saada, Khalil Kameel, Son of Hamas Leader & many more that testify & shate their life story, it is a wonderful story, 100% truth, but cat stevens i don't know if he pass the criteria when he convert himself to islam, because there is no story about his life did he ever be a murderer a criminal & shed blood in the name of christian or God no! but those convert from islam to christian gives a wonderful story.!

  • @mon69alejo Oh good they've gone from one idiocy to another.

  • moon shadow is about bum sex - he is polluting islam with THIS?

  • anything to sell a record! he did porn for a while when lady darbanville was banned by the bbc. Theres a video of him with a carrot up his arse on you tube- how islamic is THAT?

  • ISLAM IS HELL! ALLAH DOES NOT EXIST! MUHAMMAD PLAGIARIZED MOST OF THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE & CALLED IT THE QURAN! HE TOOK OUT PARTS OF THE BIBLE & ADDED HORRIBLE STUFF & LIES LIKE KILL THE INFIDELS, 72 VIRGINS & OTHER JUNK CRAP! MUHAMMAD CALLED JESUS CHRIST A GREAT PROPHET & VIRGIN BIRTH! CHRIST WHO CAME 700YRS BEFORE HIM SAID THE BIBLE IS SEALED & CLOSED & ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE PROPHETS (MUHAMMAD IS FALSE & EVIL!) RUN FROM ISLAM TO THE ONLY TRUTH JESUS CHRIST FOR ETERNAL LIFE VISIT cbn.com /podcast

  • @tigersforchrist

    Christ is just another asshole, like jehova and allah.

    They are ALL assholes, all the gods.

    Not one of them exists.

  • this guy is a hypocrite. Who has a right to their opinion without being sentenced to death Cat?

  • Fucking stupid knob

  • @danoi99 why?

  • Stupid knob

  • Knob

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  • He says everybody is entitled to their own opinion...unless your name is Salman Rushdie.

  • @wulfrig321 , Is Hitler entitled of his opinion of killing the Jews? Why did Nuremberg trail execute so many Nazi's? It was not just high ranking Nazis, there was many who were just involved in propagating the Jew killing views, just like Rushdie. Everyone is entitled of their opinion but can they harm anyone with their opinion or enforce it in anyway?

  • @wulfrig321

    Rushdie>Yusuf

  • @wulfrig321 Thats becoz Salman rushdie didnt had an opinion..He had allegations...salman wrote wrong allegations in his book abt religious greats..Having an opinion like islam is bad,Its fine..But alleging any religion is not done

  • BS! Muhammad was a violent Evil now dead Murderer! Islam/Quran is corrupt! Jesus/Peace/Healed/Blessed/Sal­vation/God! All Muslims who became Christians are free of abuse/misery! Islam leaders are killing you! Christians Love You! Please accept Jesus Christ as your Savior! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Be free of Islam lies! Visit cbn.com /podcast

  • @tigersforchrist Fuck off you religitard. >.< You spew the same nonsense as the Islamists and the Jews. Get over it, there most likely is no god at all whatsoever, never was, and probably never will be. If anything, call physics and biology "god" because physics and biology can make Universes, life, and more.

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  • Shame to see Cat Stevens become so misguided. He has become quite a bad man (not because he became a muslim) and is now inciting people to violence on television shows. One could easily forget he wrote Peace Train when we see him now.

  • i miss the old cat.

  • Jouranlists jumped on him after he embraced Islam about the twat Rushdie. Millions of people love him in the west so all you Islamophobes can get lost. It don't matter what you think or say. He has 1.8 billion Muslim fans and brothers and sisters around the world! :D We love him and that's what matters! ha

  • ....yes I know all of that m8........to me he was obviously stating what the actual radical muslim law is....as a new muslim at the time, he was quickly repentant about how his words were received. Muslims honour all forms of life, and I believe that Yousef has redeemed himself......as a philanthropist and peace lover.........I suppose you have never said anything that you regretted and didn't actually mean how it sounded? You are a better man than I.

  • @chocky222 "I suppose you have never said anything that you regretted and didn't actually mean how it sounded?" You make it sound like he was just unkind about his mother in law's cooking, or burped at a polite dinner party. The man said that he would inform Ayatollah Khomeini of Salman Rushdie's whereabouts so that he could be murdered, and that he would like to be at a public burning of the man. He's worse than a murderer because he would rather encourage others to do his dirty work

  • @chocky222 I agree. It's noteworthy to mention that Yusuf Islam is and always has been a Muslim D'ai, not a scholar or authority, a spokes person by way of his celebrity, and at the time that he made his comment about Rushdie, he was a green neophyte with much to learn of the faith. Though I haven't heard any recent sentiments from him regarding Rushdie, knowing him as I do now - knowing that people grow, change & mature, as religion calls us to do, I doubt he'd hold to those words today.

  • @chocky222 Also, the fact that the vast majority of Muslim scholars denounced Khomeini's fatwa, coupled with the fact that Khomeini presents a very small segment (sect) of the Shi'a, who further represent less than 10% of all Muslims, and that the highest seat in Sunni Islam, Al-Azhar, also distanced itself from Khomeini's edict is telling enough as to the true position of the Muslims regarding Rushdie. We just don't care.

  • @chocky222 Any one, Muslim or otherwise, who has been around as long as Yusuf Islam has been Muslim and holds to the same beliefs now as s/he did so many years ago would be a fool.

  • fuck you cat, sorry yusuf.....fuck off

  • An asshole!

  • How dare any Muslim ever be criticized... how dare you

  • I never saw George Harrison after converting to Hinduism advocating someone's death, this is what Islam do to you.

  • There's nothing more repugnant than religion, any religion. People kill and die for an imaginary friend. Ridiculous!

  • the truth is a problem with cat stevens he called for the murder of a famous author and should be arrested

  • A truly wasteful descent into evil.

  • @Leblon56 You mean like when someone casts aspersions against another for his religion? You mean that kind of evil?

  • @wilkrazor2 Seriously, you're going to try to defend Cat Stevens? Any sane Muslim wouldn't want anything to do with him. This is a man who on live television declared Salman Rushdie should be burnt alive. Not just murdered. Burnt. Alive.

    And you're going to turn round and say thats comparable to having a negative opinion of Islam? If Cat Stevens is the best example that faith can call forth, its no wonder people arent lining up to say how great Muslims are.

  • @Spiderpope I didn't defend Islam. I said you are part of the problem if you cast aspersions on another because of his faith. Christ would not agree with you. Read the bible about not casting stones and loving your enemy. That's my point. BTW, all religions have done what CS has done in the name of the love of God. Don't be gullible enough to think this is an isolated case.

  • @wilkrazor2 And Leblon said nothing about Islam. He said it was a wasteful descent into evil. And it is, a respectable artist clearly went insane and started to believe that setting people on fire was a legitimate response to their writing of fiction.

    And by proclaiming its the will of Allah, it is him casting aspersions on the Islamic faith, because it is HIM representing them as a raving lunatic. No one else need criticise Islam because Cat Stevens is doing a fine job of it by himself.

  • @Spiderpope OK Whatever. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

  • @Loupland ...thanks 4 the advice brother...will try 2 comply...but anybody whose read both the bible & the Quran; surely cannot argue both 2 b the same! the Quran is not a poetic story book, nor a book of riddles. its a book of guidance & it gives the criteria in the very beginning (2nd chapter) whom it will guide...so i don't believe u've read it unbiased...& i understand completely why u don't get people making themselves inferior 2 its words! they do so cause they believe it 2 b from God !

  • yusuf is an angel

  • I used to like him until I found that he had advocated cutting off the head of Salman Rushdie and realized he was a maniac inside all that facade of music.

  • @vashna3799 Agreed ! For any so call civilised person to say what he did is reprehensible . It shows underneath the pleasant exterior he is a fanatic and the world does not need anymore of those .

  • @vashna3799 agreed.

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  • @vashna3799 i'd say, forget even cat stevens. people have such a sick tendency of confusing a singer or musician with his songs... one can make good, beautiful music and be a sick crackpot and nutcase.

  • @vashna3799 what nonsense, absolute rubbish......you need to check your facts, instead of blindly believing any load of bullshit that comes along

  • @chocky222 what are you on about ? did yusuf islam support the fatwah against salman rushdie ,yes or no ,I'll think you'll find out yes he did .You'd better check your facts. I dare you to prove me wrong .

  • @vashna3799 I have checked my facts..........let's see YOUR proof............innocent until proved guilty m8

  • @chocky222 check out the youtube video "Cat Steven on BBC Program Discussing Salman Rushdie" its all there for you. You've checked your facts hey? Lets hear them ,I'm all ears.

  • @vashna3799 Moderate Islam is a paradox.

  • @LairdEJM That is completely ignorant, and you misused the word 'paradox': you mean 'oxymoron'. 

  • @sildaghiadsygdsahg No. It is paradoxical in it's very nature. How can a bronze-age myth which preaches prejudice against non-muslims and spreads superstition be considered, 'modern' within the twenty-first century? For your information; an Oxymoron is a literary technique using two words directly after one another which contradict, such as, "living dead."

  • @vashna3799 Well said indeed!

  • What a waste of musical talent and sensibility...

  • Really do like the music of Cat Stevens but very much dislike the character of Yusuf Islam.

  • wow...to all who think themselves better than the person, people or ideologies they seem to curse with such fluency of the tongue backed by a twisted, rotten & filthy mind...think again ! mayb u feel u have the light of knowledge, but ur words reflect u r still lurking in the darkness of ignorance !!!

  • The guy wrote a song called "Peace Train", and hes being accused of being a terrorist? Why cant we pretend Bono is a terrorist so we don't have to listen to U2 anymore?

  • @Mattmusic1025 Sadly Bono hasnt called for any authors to be burnt alive for writing a piece of fiction. But we can hope.

    I heard the Edge said the latest episode of Coronation Street was a bit crap, so we're slowly getting there.

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  • @Mattmusic1025 haha i hate bono's music too:)

  • @Mattmusic1025 coz bono didn't convert to a fucking religion where women are 2nd class and all non-belivers should be murdered. you fucking tosser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!

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    And also called for the death of Salman Rushdie, a novelist by extrajudicial killing

  • @Mattmusic1025

    His hippie views are a distant path. This piece of shit publicly and eagerly supported the murder of a writer for not giving his death cult enough respect in his book. Look it up right here on youtube.

  • Cat Stevens once sang beautiful songs. Then he changed his name to Yusef and became a radical, hate-filled tool. Now he is probably broke, so the music he once denounced is all he has to fall back on. And he is so two-faced in these interviews.; just say you hate all non-Muslims and expose your corrupt soul.

  • mohammad was a child-raping, mass-murdering, stinking piece of pigshit, & so is this prick, cat pussy stevens..

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  • @zakirnaikmuzzyPIG fuck u pig 

  • @raouf73alger - stupid, stupid fucking muslims.

    mohammad was a mass-murdering, child-raping, lying, thieving, piece of shit...

  • @zakirnaikmuzzyPIG How about you read an ACTUAL copy of the Quran rather than listen to the propoganda thats spread on numerous channels and by numerous biased anchors like bill o' reilly. None of the major religions endorse violence and hatred, they're taken out of context and anything thats actually peaceful thats been misconstrued can sound aggressive and violent.

  • "everybody's got a right to their opinion" except Salman Rushdie who deserves to burn to death for writing a few lines in a book.

  • Islam is a plague that needs to be exterminated, the world would be a better and more peaceful pace if it was gone.

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  • all u guys know about Islam is what ur media has taught u...u hate the very word, not even knowing what it means...just cause Muslims kill so many of ur people in "ur movies"...but what about the millions of people u killed through the crusades...through the world wars...through the vietnam & korean war...through the iraq war & ur so called "war on terror"...u r the real murderers of innocent people...the hate spreaders...the misinformation spreaders.

  • @omarjamal58 You're lumping everybody together now as one "not muslim entity" and taking everything bad that happened for all history and giving "them" blame for it that's obviously not thinking very far.

    Religion is responsible for alot of injustice across the board but Islam is clearly the worst today.

  • @johaneriksandberg i am addressing the people who are blind in their understanding of a faith that makes up 25 % of the world population...cause see...i don't differentiate on the basis of color race or creed...my religion forbids that...i don't hate people of other religions...cause we all have the same common ancestors Adam & Eve (peace be upon them)...what i hate is people who stereotype a group without any knowledge of history or global-politics...people who r biased & prejudiced hypocrites.

  • freedom of speech doesn't mean u start cursing God or Prophets or those people whom various faiths hold dear...that speaks of a person's extremist nature...so salman rushdie is an extremist...the only people who defend him should be athiests...but some enlightened christians also defend him, not knowing what rubbish he has spewed against ur religion...& as per ur own teachings in the bible...the punishment 4 blasphemy is death...if u believe in the bible that is :)

  • @omarjamal58 Freedom of speach is exactly that, just because you believe in ridiculous fairytales, fairytales wich now apperantly give you the right to silence people doesn't mean I or anybody else has to respect that.

    This is a modern world open your eyes and start thinking, bronze age palestine didn't have all the anwsers.

  • @johaneriksandberg fairytales is what u want 2 believe in...what ur saying is freedom of speech gives me the right 2 curse anybody...well that anybody can be ur mother as well...but thats not right...religion teaches us etiquettes 2 live in a society...less we become animals...just look what ur so called freedom has done to ur societies...ur only understanding of what life is all about is "money = success". men sleep with men, women sleep with women. u eat animals that eat their shit (pigs)...

  • @johaneriksandberg ...u drink alcohol till u puke ur guts out with ur face inside the toilet seat...u have sex with numerous women without being married 2 them creating bastards...& if u marry, u still continue 2 cheat...& then u get divorced; leaving the children devastated...& then u don't take any responsibilities 4 ur parents & deposit them in old homes like giving away a dog 2 the pound...while ur mothers carried u for 9 months in their wombs & loved & took care of u when u were little...

  • @johaneriksandberg & u curse...cause that makes u look bad...& u hate people who don't want to live like u, considering them 2 b living in the "palestine bronze age"...& go so far ahead as to say "islam should b eradicated"...& u love anybody & everybody who spews hate & crap against religion, cause it satisfies ur conscience 2 carry on living in the darkness u already live in...well, if that is what u call freedom...then God have mercy on u & i thank Him from keeping me away such ignorance!

  • islam CANNOT be reformed...!!

    - they tried once, & it resulted in " wahabbism "- the WORST and most violent form of islam.

    islam MUST be eradicated, if the World is to ever know peace...

  • @zakirnaikmuzzyPIG That's what you think. You unacknowledged fool.

  • mohammad called " allah " the " greatest of deceivers ".

    WE have a different name for allah, - SATAN....!!

  • mohammads first wife was a wealthy widow who was older than him.

    She kept him under her thumb, - but when she died, he went sex crazy, - with at least ELEVEN wives, - some of whose families he had murdered, - like Jawwaryyia, a 17yo beauty who mohammad RAPED on the same day that he slit her enire families' throats in front of her.

    he took baths with a little 6yo. girl who he would molest & masturbate with her.

    - All these DISGUSTING stories are well documented by izlamic scholars.

    WTF..??

  • mohammad, the chap who invented izlam, was 53, when he repeatedly RAPED - sorry, "married " a little 9yo. girl called Aishah.

    mohammad murdered 600 - 900 UNARMED boys & men ( 10yo. & up ) of a Jewish tribe ( Banu Quraiyza ).

    He had a elderly woman torn in half by 2 camels ( Umm Quirfa )

    He Raped a Christian slave belong to his 4th. wife(hafsa)

    the slaves name was Maryam, - he RAPED her for a month, - she had a child, - Ibrahim, - who died @ 2yo.

    etc. etc.

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  • He got a nerve coming on here and plugging his stiff. GET OFF you inciter of murder.

    The songs you sang where by Cat Stevens not the crazed Islamic nutcase you are now!

  • Sorry he's backtracking. You can see his death sentence on You Tube. Look it up.He shoiuld have been arrested and deported. Who wants to listen to this lunatic anyway?

  • @plonk220a "Who wants to listen to this lunatic anyway?"

    People who enjoy his music?

  • @HaHaHamHammer Then they should be ashamed. Have they no morality? This man incites murder for his religion. I notice he's dropped the 'Islam' from his name because it might damage his record sales. Shame also to the TV station that allowed him to plug his hypocritical meassge of 'peace.' Yes, peace on his terms and if you don't agree and criticise his religion then receive a death sentence. He's a gullible, dangerous fool and not very bright. Has he apoligised to Salem Rushdie yet?

  • This man sucks big time he calls for the murder of a man just because he wrote a book critical os izlam. What a small man and sad religion same as all religion.

  • so all those who wished 4 the death of osama were savages...hmmmm...interesting.­..hypoooos :) (as in not the animal :P)

  • @omarjamal58 So you are equating a man who incited the murder of thousands of civilians to a man who wrote piece of literature?

    Apples and oranges.

    Get a clue.

  • @MrMonkeyInk ...got the comment removed...didn't it ? and by that definition, the christian pope who incited the crusades deserved 2 die as well ? & the president of the united states who "liberated" iraq 2 find weapons of mass destruction, & found oil instead; deserved 2 die as well ?? & remember the false flag attack that started the Vietnam war?!! who knows...years from now u might find out the osama story was all a lie as well...remember...he was ur hero against the russians...hypocrites :)

  • @omarjamal58 I agree that it's hypocritical for Christians to wish their enemies dead. Aren't they supposed to turn the other cheek and love their enemies? To condemn a man to death for writing a book, however, is down right barbaric.

    Also, Osama was never my hero. By "he was ur hero against the russians" I guess you mean the west's. I suspect you do not like the generalisations people make about Islam. To avoid further hypocrisy, I suggest you refrain from making such sweeping statements.

  • @MrMonkeyInk you still don't get it do you...you say its hypocritical for christians to wish their enemies dead...yet its not hypocritical for them to follow a part of their book (the Bible) & not follow a part thereof...its written in the bible that the penalty for blasphemy is death...so since i see the comments here being given by christians...i'm only saying u guys don't have any authority to comment here, if you take the bible to be the inerrant word of God.

  • @MrMonkeyInk ...secondly, i am not defending what cat stevens did was right or wrong...but i am saying u r blowing it way out of proportion...on one hand u say...freedom of speech...on the other, u say...don't dare say anything against the Holocaust...on one hand u say freedom of speech...on the other u condemn a person from speaking his mind...its not like he took the law in his hands & murdered the guy? cause i see that guy still alive & very much here...that in my view is hypocracy.

  • @MrMonkeyInk & him & ayatollah khomeini probably did more good 4 the guy than bad...bought him all the spot light & publicity he needed lol...otherwise who would've thought of reading a shity book of an atheist...lol

  • @omarjamal58 It does say in the Bible (Lev 24:14) that blasphemers should be stoned to death. Anyone with any kind of a moral sense would know this is wrong. Apart from the complete lack of evidence for God's existence, I find my objections to religion fall increasingly upon ethical grounds. Perhaps Christian's hypocrisy is their most valuable trait. As for your comparison with Holocaust deniers, many who support Rushdie's freedom also support the likes of David Irving to spew his nonsense.

  • @MrMonkeyInk bro i just don't get u guys...u have eyes, but u don't see; ears, but u don't hear; heads, but u don't use em...ur not even willing 2 think over what u propose...u say that everything is self created & life itself; mere chance & accident...u seem 2 have an explanation 4 how life began from the formation of a single cell...but u don't want to answer how matter came into existence...did the atom form the same way as the cell? if u objectively think over it, u might just see the truth!

  • @omarjamal58 When did I or any atheist say that "everything is self created" or that life is? I do not see the universe as a 'creation', therefore, do not think it self created or otherwise. If by life you mean evolution, it is exactly the opposite of "mere chance & accident".

    And it is not that I "don't want to answer how matter came into existence" it is simply that I do not know. That is the key difference between you and I. I admit that I don't know and you don't know but claim you do.

  • @MrMonkeyInk thats the difference between me & you...you are satisfied alone with the notion that everything is the way it is just cuz :) while i want to reason & connect the dots & find out the purpose of my existence & that of the universe...i understand i'm merely wasting my time arguing with you, cause you don't want to admit to the idea of "intelligent design", which your fellow atheists themselves propose; along with the things i mentioned b4 (which i certainly didn't hear santa saying) :)

  • @omarjamal58 I am far from satisfied "with the notion that everything is the way it is just cuz". Through admitting that I don't know, I am able to continue the search. Your answer, that God did it, is the unfalsifiable "just cuz" of the Creationist. It is not based upon reason but upon faith. You say that you want to "find out the purpose of my existence & that of the universe" but as a believer don't you think that you already know? Doesn't your Koran tell you?

  • @MrMonkeyInk 1st up...its the Quran :) 2ndly, my faith is unique in the sense it tells me to reason & understand before achieving faith...rather than believing 1st & then hoping to understand. ask urself this question sincerely..."am i really searching 4 the reason 4 my existence; & that of everything else around me?" & i can tell u the answer "no...i'm just waiting 4 some intelligent guy 2 figure it out 4 me." mayb u should try reading the Quran...u'll b surprised how many Qs it Answers :)

  • @omarjamal58 If you want to get technical, Qur'an is held most correct, from the Arabic (القرآن), although Quran is thought acceptable as is Koran, which is considered the standard English translation. Your comment that I am just waiting for someone to figure it out for me is unjustifiably patronising. I have read a good deal of the Qur'an. If your faith is based upon reason then you should be able to offer me one reasonable argument as to why you believe what you do. I look forward to that.

  • @MrMonkeyInk i'm impressed !...so how did they come to translate messiah into christ again? :) i seriously doubt that u've read a good deal of the Quran! but i'll take ur word 4 it . & now the reasonable argument,,,first up...the big bang theory...explosion creates chaos...not order, harmony, beauty, sophistication, or organization!! plus...why did the exploding particals stop? as per newtons 1st law of motion, velocity remains constant unless some external force is applied on to it !

  • @omarjamal58 You mention the Big Bang and chaos. I take it that you're referring to the “order, harmony, beauty, sophistication, or organization” on Earth. This relates to the second law of thermodynamics that the entropy of a closed system always increases. The Earth, however, isn't a closed system. It receives energy continuously from the sun. Then you ask, “why did the exploding particals stop?” The answer is they haven’t stopped. The Universe is in fact expanding at a faster and faster rate.

  • @MrMonkeyInk secondly...the theory of beginning of life...minerals coming together in water at the right temperature, to react chemically & produce a cell, which in itself is quite sophisticated...logical argument...we live in the 21st century...we have water...we have minerals...we have the sun...we have temperature control devices...why can't scientists make a cell?

  • @MrMonkeyInk thirdly...consider the perfections...perfect planet in a solar system in the universe at the perfect distance from the sun to maintain the perfect temperatures & cause perfect eclipses & the perfect shape of the earth 4 the purpose of spin & perfect division of sun light/ heat & darkness with the perfect speed & spin & with the perfect satellite to keep track of days & perfect constellations for orientation & the perfect balance in life forms that help support eachother's existence.

  • @omarjamal58 Your arguments based upon ‘perfections’ is the fine tuning argument. The logical fallacy here is The Fallacy of Misused Statistics, aka The Lottery Fallacy. You have things reversed. The world isn’t designed to suit us, we are adapted to suit the world. The features of humanity have evolved as a result of our environment, rather than our environment being tailored to suit us. Your argument is akin to saying, “Look how perfectly my nose is made to accommodate my spectacles”.

  • @MrMonkeyInk now to the phenomenon that we call "nature"...who taught the infants to feed from the breasts of their mothers? who taught the turtle's to swim for water upon birth?? who taught the bees to search for nectar ??? who taught the spider to weave its web???? who taught the flower to produce beautiful petals to attract insects for pollination????? who taught the butterflies to grow artistic wings?????? who taught the birds to have patterned feathers??????? &...who made matter n space^^

  • @omarjamal58 “Who taught the bees to search for nectar?” Are you seriously proposing God did this? These are clearly instinctive evolutionary traits. What you present is Paley’s watchmaker argument and is a category error; it is the fallacy of weak analogy. We recognize human-designed objects, like a watch, as distinct from natural objects, like a rock or tree. Darwin’s great insight was to give us an explanation for the complexity in nature (seeming design) without the need for a designer.

  • @MrMonkeyInk did u do all the above?? i know i didn't...& u have to admit...it does seem to have been done by somebody...& that somebody must have great knowledge & wisdom & power to keep things running in shape! & i see a certain pattern in the revelations & continuity in the message; although corrupted in some faiths by man himself...& the facts of the Quran itself, which have never been proven wrong...which r consistent & logical & even scientific at places.

  • @MrMonkeyInk & considering it was revealed to a person who could not read or write, makes me wanna accept the higher being...& His revealed way of life...for a promise of success after death...cause i'll have no regrets at the end of my life if u r right; but u'll have all the regrets at the end of ur life if i am !! :)) just a curious question besides the subject...why do Scandinavian countries (having highest number of atheists) also have highest rates of suicides? (food 4 thought) PURPOSE !

  • @omarjamal58 Your comment about our respective regrets after life is Pascal’s Wager. This has always seemed disingenuous to me. For a start, it assumes that your God is gullible enough to be fooled by those saying they believe just to hedge their bets. Furthermore, I would prefer to live my life free of such overwhelming delusions as those from which you suffer. Regret is not something that afflicts the dead, only the living.

  • @MrMonkeyInk pascal wager or not...i'm just trying 2 make u understand a simple thing through all angles necessary...cuz ur disbelief only affects u...it is my duty 2 convey the message 2 u submit 2 the One God; the Creator & Sustainer, affiliate no partners with Him, & worship Him as per His terms instead of worshiping ur desires...if u accept, u benefit not God but urself...& if u reject, u harm not God but urself. & just don't pick n answer what u can, think about what u can't :) peace !

  • @MrMonkeyInk & now, let me surprise u !!...the Quran says that in the beginning, the heavens & the earth were one, before they were split asunder...so if the big bang theory does become fact, it would still remain consistent with Islam...& the Quran neither agrees with nor denies evolution, but it talks of the 'Creation of Man'. so if u say everything down to the most complex animals was a result of evolution...this idea will still be compatible with Islam :) science serves 2 augment my faith !!

  • @omarjamal58 “science serves 2 augment my faith” You think? I assume that you are referring to 21:30. The Big Bang, however, was not like an explosion of matter into empty space, rather, a rapid expansion of space and time itself. The Qur'an states that the sun and moon were created after the Earth (13:2-3, 78:12-13). Do you think that the sun runs its course to a settled place (36:38) and goes down into a muddy spring each night (18:86)? That doesn’t sound very scientifically accurate to me.