Even if the 1903''s flight of the Wright brothers never happened, there's still a LOT of evidence ointing that they were already flying in front of a lot of people in front of many people and the news media. Heck! They even made a 40 minutes-long flight on 1905, while at the same time Europeans (and one Brazilian....) were still barely making little jumps....
My respect to Dumont, he truly was the first South American to fly a plane, but NOT the first man.
Wright brothers may have been the icons of flight... but anyone notice how they were invited to Europe after being ignored at home??? Since the dawn of time, this country has always been awash with talent... but somehow always manages to squander its own resources by ignorance and neglect. From the do nothing congress that almost cost George Washington the war for independence, to the exile of Charlie Chaplin... we've spit on truly talented people and then hug them after they succeeded.
It looks like the americans invented everything because they did and the stuff they did not invent that was good they did not hesitate adopting it.But lets not forget where these americans came from...yes thats right most of them where refugees or imigrants from europe,russia and asia. only Adventurer's or desperate people would embark on such a journey. So its no wonder they invented so much stuff..THESE AMERICANS??
Just listen to the date that it gives for the first flight of the Wright Brothers (Sep 17, 1903???), if they can't get the date right, then what else is incorrect, or biased.
@glup2glup That's like saying Americans weren't the first to want to go the moon, so therefore space flight to the moon wasn't born in America so I guess you'd be right.
@JudgeGrif Richard Pearce was the first 2 fly under power not the wright brothers and Richard Pearce's plane had ailerons. 11 May 1903 - Pearse took off along the side of the Opihi River, turned left to fly over the 30' tall river-bank, then turned right to fly parallel to the middle of the river. After flying nearly 1,000 yards, his engine began to overheat and lost power, thus forcing a landing in the almost dry riverbed.
but on that time, landing didnt exist. they just used enormous grass fields, but nevertheless it was dangerous because on that time all planes had weak engines, so they needed a very long distance to reach their taking off speed.
if you read about dumont's first flight you will realize it's true, he needed a very long distance to take off.
Dude, the wright's catapult wasn't totally necessary , it was just a security device, which reveals how great engineers the wrights were.
man, i'll tell you i know enough about santos dumont because im studying flight engineery, and i can prove you that dumont wasnt the first man that could fly without help.
the famous wright catapult was exactly like catapults in an aircraft carrier: helps the plane to take off in a very short distance. f 16, f 18, f 22...many modern planes uses catapults today but that doesnt mean they cannot fly.
the wright Flyer could take off without the catapult, but , i'll continue in another comment...
The wright brothers were the first to make a controlled, sustained flight in a powered aeroplane. That is a great acheivement & shouldn't be put down... but this series leaves out 'controlled' & 'sustained'. Many people made uncontrolled, unsustained flights...
"Aviation was born in the USA?" No way... the series itself admits later that the Wrights ended upin Europe, where it was all happening.
This series skips over facts leaving so much out and just touching on a few isolated events.
Please, read more about Santos Dumont. It's obvious here you don't knoe much about him. it's not a matter of nationality here, just give him his credit he deserves as the first man to fly without any help. It's been well documented, please check it out.
im tired of listening this bunch of morons, Wright bros made their first flight without the catapult.
Santos dumont just did the ''first'' public demonstration. on 1908, when wilbur exposed his plane on europe, it far surpassed those of all other pilot pioneers in the world. when wright bros were selling their totally functional planes to the us army, dumont was hardly trying to fly.
The Wrights did not use a catapult at first. They took off on a trolley entirely under the power of the plane itself. The catapult was a later refinement which in any case does not detract from powered controlled and sustained flight.
Nem foi o Dumont, antes dele muitos trabalharam nisso.Claro que os "Burros" dos USA têm a mania que são os melhores. mas sem os estrangeiros nada feito, ex:os alemães que lhe deram e tec. nuclear.
Who gives a shit if they used a catapult, that itself was more inventive that rolling down a hill like all the other morons were doing. And it's not like the catapult was keeping the plane in the air, it was just another means to get the plane in the the air. So many people mad that two american inventors did it correctly, if they were german you dipshits would be singing a different tune.
Aviation was born in America???? Are u fucking kiding me?????? Noooooooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, the Writes bros cheated. They used a catapult and not a motor to bring their machine in the air. So who was second???? I think it was Santos Dumont but americans allways wanna be the best and thats why they keep telling the whole world their lies. I only say "Iraq" "Afghanistan" and "9/11"
If the Wright Brothers's plane was really able to fly that well then why did the american army gave up on their plane?
why was it so disbelieved and why was it sold to france?
and all the successful claims that of flight accomplishments that warp13 is claming only actually happened in 1908... which was when they actually flew in public.
The Army did sign a contract to buy Wright planes, I would suggest you do a little bit more research on the matter. The lapse between 1903 and 1908 was to learn how to fly and perfect the machine, once revealed as can be read in periodicals from that time, the world change its opinion and its perspective on HOW to fly and the way a machine SHOULD fly.
I agree that the Wright brother did in fact invented the air plane but so did Santos Dumont.
and so did Gustav and other scients that came before them, reseached and tested.
The Wright flyer flew first. However, it was not shown to be able to take off unassisted (from a large flat surface, rather than from a cumbersome launch apparatus) until 1908. The 14-Bis could take off from a flat level surface.
I don't think the Wright's plane and Dumont's plane were linked to each other.
The Wrights brothers didn't invent the airplane so to speak, they invented the way to control and sustain flight in addition to the method of approaching the flight problem. An airplane is systems, propulsion, control,and airframe all working in harmony. The Wright Flyer did take off from a flat level surface unassisted, I would suggest you do more research on that as well.
You're correct but, the Wrights first used a catapult contraption to get their plane in the air. This was still better then taking off downhill as Lilenthal and others were doing, or being towed behind a team of horses! The Wrights had the advantage, because as you say, they had a "system", which included a very light motor that they designed.
eduvc-There is no proof to support Gustav Whitehead's flight(s) just eye witness accounts from avidavits taken over 3 decades later. No machine, no pictures, no plans. The whole concept was the idea of Albert Zahm.
Eduvc-I would consider 852 ft in 27 mph winds more than a "hop". Again this was what many consider the true first flight, even Wilbur recognized this flight as successful and note worthy. I order to sustain the last flight he had to manipulate the canard and wing warp to correct the machine an maintain altitude, true control in pitch and roll. The FAI also recongnizes this as first flight.
animesis-Right, When studying the 1903 Flyer, you have to try to imagine what they were working with and what was available as far as accepted scientific dogma. Factor in the weather and the hardships of the trip to Kill Devil Hills that year, plus the news about Langley, racing for time,his 2 failed attempts, and theirs was a tremendous achievement.
The first person to fly a powered, heavier than air vehicle (aeroplane) was Sir Hiram Stevens Maxim, (who is more famous for his machine gun). On Tuesday 31st July 1894 at Baldwyn's Park (formerly the site of a mental hospital, now a housing estate) in the London Borough of Bexley, his flyer was launched for the first time and successfully flew.
sammie-It didn't fly, it lifted off the track much to Maxims surprise. This date was a trial of the track not a test flight. It crashed shortly there after. It was not controlled, nor was it sustained. It proved that large bodies could be lifted.
eduvc-But it cannot be sustained nor controlled, I am sure that you know this? I could throw a pair of eye glasses and they would "fly" across the room, but this not practical flight by any means. True flight is controlled and sustained.
I'd give credit to all of them unlike the American History books do.
I do believe that Gustav flew first because there seem to be evidence he did.
I do believe the Wrights flew with their own design too.
and I do believe that Dumont was the first to take off, fly, and land without the use of catapults, high winds, launch rails, or other external assistance.
Gustav White Flew? What evidence do you know of that supports this claim? Dumont can not make the claim because he could not turn. Since when is wind considered an "external assistance"? They should be commended that they could calculate the lift needed in such a wind and control an aircraft. I doubt that Dumont could take off with such a head wind, he would have too much drag with his design.
wind is often considered an external assistance when it comes to making records ;)
i dont deny the Wright brothers were amongst the first to fly, but to label them as the first fliers ever and only etc is daft, the British dont do that with steam engines, we accept that before us were various concepts and creations, they may not have left proof but that does not mean they didnt happen
animesis-I agree, here the distinction is in the addition of the controlled and the sustained when referring to their flights of December 17th. I don't just look at the Wright's in such simple terms as "inventors" of the airplane, nothing could be farther from the truth. What is more fascinating is their story and the process of developing a functioning flying machine and actually learning to fly.
"Santos-Dumont designed, built, and flew the first practical dirigible balloons. In doing so he became the first person to demonstrate that routine, controlled flight was possible, October 19, 1901"
"Santos-Dumont made the first public European flight of an airplane in Paris on October 23, 1906. That aircraft, designated 14-bis or Oiseau de proie (French for "bird of prey"), was the first to take off, fly, and land without the use of catapults, high winds, launch rails, or other external assistance."
You are right about the unassisted flight, the Wrights could claim to be pioneers of flight because they were the first to be filmed as proof. But others have also claimed to be first. Karl Jatho(August 1903), Richard Pearse(New Zealand, March 1903) also Clement Ader in a steam engined bat winged monoplane in 1890! Would love to see that last one fly even though it flew for only 60 yards.
The first ever mechanical flight with ON-BORD MEANS ONLY still credited by scientific world to Romanian inventor Traian Vuia which managed to take-off in 18 March 1906 in France,Montesson location. So , almost half an year before Santos -Dumont...!!! No catapults, no other means.....just its own engine !!!
@L19G65 I think it's clear that all these guys had designs that flew early on in history and if you look at ALL the designs they were very different...
My point is aviation wasn't INVENTED by anyway It was more like an evolutionary process...
And I'm pretty sure there was a crazy nut around the world that achieved flight before all these guys but wasn't ducomented.
As far as early concepts go though, one could make the argument da Vinvi "invented" it. I believe he did fly.
Acually Gustav Albin Weisskopf(Gustave Whitehead) Build, and, alot of facts indicate that he flew an airplane before the Wrights too, if you think that building and time is what counts...
The farce of the wright brother
RJLorran 5 days ago
Even if the 1903''s flight of the Wright brothers never happened, there's still a LOT of evidence ointing that they were already flying in front of a lot of people in front of many people and the news media. Heck! They even made a 40 minutes-long flight on 1905, while at the same time Europeans (and one Brazilian....) were still barely making little jumps....
My respect to Dumont, he truly was the first South American to fly a plane, but NOT the first man.
lebronchuck 2 months ago
Wright brothers may have been the icons of flight... but anyone notice how they were invited to Europe after being ignored at home??? Since the dawn of time, this country has always been awash with talent... but somehow always manages to squander its own resources by ignorance and neglect. From the do nothing congress that almost cost George Washington the war for independence, to the exile of Charlie Chaplin... we've spit on truly talented people and then hug them after they succeeded.
MrRobertGulabo 2 months ago
Congratulations Alberto Santos Dumont, The Inventor.
pradobsb 3 months ago
Rubbish Gustav Albin Weisskopf was first its just American Propaganda.
cultofmao 3 months ago
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SopwithT1 4 months ago
what was the name of the airplane? cause i dont understand
Gabitzaa93 8 months ago
wat is ur source for all of this is it a documentary...
vans41997 10 months ago
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Verdelufe 1 year ago
lol im not getting on that passenger plane
0100110101001011 1 year ago
It looks like the americans invented everything because they did and the stuff they did not invent that was good they did not hesitate adopting it.But lets not forget where these americans came from...yes thats right most of them where refugees or imigrants from europe,russia and asia. only Adventurer's or desperate people would embark on such a journey. So its no wonder they invented so much stuff..THESE AMERICANS??
xjr1300paul 1 year ago
thats becouse i hate americans. They can distort history.
Lancemaker 1 year ago
Just listen to the date that it gives for the first flight of the Wright Brothers (Sep 17, 1903???), if they can't get the date right, then what else is incorrect, or biased.
RADHAZ73 1 year ago
LOL; americans say they are the first for anything. "Aviation was born in america"????
Did they forget Clement Ader?, Santos Dumont?
Aviation was born in France
glup2glup 1 year ago 6
@glup2glup
True,and remote controles and satelites,something that makes every day possible,were born in Serbia.
:p
BranislavDJ 1 year ago
@BranislavDJ Long life to Serbia and Kosovo back. Regards
glup2glup 1 year ago
@glup2glup That's like saying Americans weren't the first to want to go the moon, so therefore space flight to the moon wasn't born in America so I guess you'd be right.
H4I2I2EE 6 months ago
@glup2glup Europeans just GLIDED. Americans FLEW!
No Anti-American idiot like you can even understand the difference!
TRUE FLIGHT means "SUSTAINED" (60 minutes or more ) and "CONTROLLED" (you can TURN and make your plane CIRCLE).
JudgeGrif 3 months ago
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@JudgeGrif Richard Pearce was the first 2 fly under power not the wright brothers and Richard Pearce's plane had ailerons. 11 May 1903 - Pearse took off along the side of the Opihi River, turned left to fly over the 30' tall river-bank, then turned right to fly parallel to the middle of the river. After flying nearly 1,000 yards, his engine began to overheat and lost power, thus forcing a landing in the almost dry riverbed.
icequeenwaikato 1 month ago
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glup2glup 1 year ago
But i dont tell to discredit dumont. he was the first south american who flew an aircraft, i'm south american and i will forever be proud of this.
greetings duduvisotto
lebronchuck 2 years ago
but on that time, landing didnt exist. they just used enormous grass fields, but nevertheless it was dangerous because on that time all planes had weak engines, so they needed a very long distance to reach their taking off speed.
if you read about dumont's first flight you will realize it's true, he needed a very long distance to take off.
Dude, the wright's catapult wasn't totally necessary , it was just a security device, which reveals how great engineers the wrights were.
i'll continue...
lebronchuck 2 years ago
man, i'll tell you i know enough about santos dumont because im studying flight engineery, and i can prove you that dumont wasnt the first man that could fly without help.
the famous wright catapult was exactly like catapults in an aircraft carrier: helps the plane to take off in a very short distance. f 16, f 18, f 22...many modern planes uses catapults today but that doesnt mean they cannot fly.
the wright Flyer could take off without the catapult, but , i'll continue in another comment...
lebronchuck 2 years ago
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rafaeldoria 2 years ago
...and there were many that claim who flew earlier on a uncontrolled hops
like someone jumping on a bicycle for the very first time balancing for 3 seconds and claim "I can ride a bicyle"
emforty2 2 years ago
The wright brothers were the first to make a controlled, sustained flight in a powered aeroplane. That is a great acheivement & shouldn't be put down... but this series leaves out 'controlled' & 'sustained'. Many people made uncontrolled, unsustained flights...
"Aviation was born in the USA?" No way... the series itself admits later that the Wrights ended upin Europe, where it was all happening.
This series skips over facts leaving so much out and just touching on a few isolated events.
NoCheeseAndNoSocks 2 years ago
14 bis also cant be considered a functional plane. it couldnt rotate to left or right, and it crashed on it's first landing.
so brasilians, i'm sorry, but you're totally wrong.
i dont want to hear next that it was a brasilian and not charles lindbergh who first crossed the atlantic ocean.
PLEASE!!
lebronchuck 2 years ago
@lebronchuck
Please, read more about Santos Dumont. It's obvious here you don't knoe much about him. it's not a matter of nationality here, just give him his credit he deserves as the first man to fly without any help. It's been well documented, please check it out.
duduvissotto 2 years ago
im tired of listening this bunch of morons, Wright bros made their first flight without the catapult.
Santos dumont just did the ''first'' public demonstration. on 1908, when wilbur exposed his plane on europe, it far surpassed those of all other pilot pioneers in the world. when wright bros were selling their totally functional planes to the us army, dumont was hardly trying to fly.
lebronchuck 2 years ago
The Wrights did not use a catapult at first. They took off on a trolley entirely under the power of the plane itself. The catapult was a later refinement which in any case does not detract from powered controlled and sustained flight.
spitfireJEJ 2 years ago
Santos Dumont foi o primeiro e ponto final.
MrRaiosetrovoes 2 years ago
Nem foi o Dumont, antes dele muitos trabalharam nisso.Claro que os "Burros" dos USA têm a mania que são os melhores. mas sem os estrangeiros nada feito, ex:os alemães que lhe deram e tec. nuclear.
homocromagnom 2 years ago
Who gives a shit if they used a catapult, that itself was more inventive that rolling down a hill like all the other morons were doing. And it's not like the catapult was keeping the plane in the air, it was just another means to get the plane in the the air. So many people mad that two american inventors did it correctly, if they were german you dipshits would be singing a different tune.
gg4rza 2 years ago
aaaaahhh i stopped watching this video after he said: "aviation was born in america"
are they trying to brain wash us too?
this is rediculous...
swissdragon15 3 years ago
Aviation was born in America???? Are u fucking kiding me?????? Noooooooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, the Writes bros cheated. They used a catapult and not a motor to bring their machine in the air. So who was second???? I think it was Santos Dumont but americans allways wanna be the best and thats why they keep telling the whole world their lies. I only say "Iraq" "Afghanistan" and "9/11"
xxSanjoxx 3 years ago
@xxSanjoxx I say you're full of 'Waaaaah'.
talshiarr 1 year ago
avião, made in brasil!!!
ocourt 3 years ago
The title does mention fantasy, which includes the voice over "Aviation was born in America".
This completely disregards over 2000 flights in heavier than air aircraft by Otto Lilienthal before 1896.
Grommo 3 years ago
what I just find is really weird is...
If the Wright Brothers's plane was really able to fly that well then why did the american army gave up on their plane?
why was it so disbelieved and why was it sold to france?
and all the successful claims that of flight accomplishments that warp13 is claming only actually happened in 1908... which was when they actually flew in public.
eduvc123 3 years ago
The Army did sign a contract to buy Wright planes, I would suggest you do a little bit more research on the matter. The lapse between 1903 and 1908 was to learn how to fly and perfect the machine, once revealed as can be read in periodicals from that time, the world change its opinion and its perspective on HOW to fly and the way a machine SHOULD fly.
warp13 3 years ago
I agree that the Wright brother did in fact invented the air plane but so did Santos Dumont.
and so did Gustav and other scients that came before them, reseached and tested.
The Wright flyer flew first. However, it was not shown to be able to take off unassisted (from a large flat surface, rather than from a cumbersome launch apparatus) until 1908. The 14-Bis could take off from a flat level surface.
I don't think the Wright's plane and Dumont's plane were linked to each other.
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eduvc123 3 years ago
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So I desagre with american history books that claim the Wright Brothers were the absolute invertors of the airplane.
They were the first to fly? yes...
but Santos Dumont was the first to fly without any "apparatus" or external assistance.
therefore he should be included in American History books as another inventor of the airplane...
and so should Brazilian and European History books include the Wright Brothers.
eduvc123 3 years ago
The Wrights brothers didn't invent the airplane so to speak, they invented the way to control and sustain flight in addition to the method of approaching the flight problem. An airplane is systems, propulsion, control,and airframe all working in harmony. The Wright Flyer did take off from a flat level surface unassisted, I would suggest you do more research on that as well.
warp13 3 years ago
You're correct but, the Wrights first used a catapult contraption to get their plane in the air. This was still better then taking off downhill as Lilenthal and others were doing, or being towed behind a team of horses! The Wrights had the advantage, because as you say, they had a "system", which included a very light motor that they designed.
Bullettube 3 years ago 4
eduvc-There is no proof to support Gustav Whitehead's flight(s) just eye witness accounts from avidavits taken over 3 decades later. No machine, no pictures, no plans. The whole concept was the idea of Albert Zahm.
warp13 3 years ago
"Wright brothers' flight did not fulfill the conditions that had been set up at the time to distinguish a true flight from a prolonged hop."
eduvc123 3 years ago
Eduvc-I would consider 852 ft in 27 mph winds more than a "hop". Again this was what many consider the true first flight, even Wilbur recognized this flight as successful and note worthy. I order to sustain the last flight he had to manipulate the canard and wing warp to correct the machine an maintain altitude, true control in pitch and roll. The FAI also recongnizes this as first flight.
warp13 3 years ago
"making the first controlled, powered and sustained heavier-than-air human flight"
animesis 3 years ago
animesis-Right, When studying the 1903 Flyer, you have to try to imagine what they were working with and what was available as far as accepted scientific dogma. Factor in the weather and the hardships of the trip to Kill Devil Hills that year, plus the news about Langley, racing for time,his 2 failed attempts, and theirs was a tremendous achievement.
warp13 3 years ago
The first person to fly a powered, heavier than air vehicle (aeroplane) was Sir Hiram Stevens Maxim, (who is more famous for his machine gun). On Tuesday 31st July 1894 at Baldwyn's Park (formerly the site of a mental hospital, now a housing estate) in the London Borough of Bexley, his flyer was launched for the first time and successfully flew.
Ten years before the Wright brothers!
sammiexxx21 3 years ago
sammie-It didn't fly, it lifted off the track much to Maxims surprise. This date was a trial of the track not a test flight. It crashed shortly there after. It was not controlled, nor was it sustained. It proved that large bodies could be lifted.
warp13 3 years ago
because seriously if you throw a ball in the air with the propper amount of force it will stay in the air for some time...
eduvc123 3 years ago
eduvc-But it cannot be sustained nor controlled, I am sure that you know this? I could throw a pair of eye glasses and they would "fly" across the room, but this not practical flight by any means. True flight is controlled and sustained.
warp13 3 years ago
A lot of controversy and maybe even polemic...
I'd give credit to all of them unlike the American History books do.
I do believe that Gustav flew first because there seem to be evidence he did.
I do believe the Wrights flew with their own design too.
and I do believe that Dumont was the first to take off, fly, and land without the use of catapults, high winds, launch rails, or other external assistance.
eduvc123 3 years ago
Gustav White Flew? What evidence do you know of that supports this claim? Dumont can not make the claim because he could not turn. Since when is wind considered an "external assistance"? They should be commended that they could calculate the lift needed in such a wind and control an aircraft. I doubt that Dumont could take off with such a head wind, he would have too much drag with his design.
warp13 3 years ago
actually some claim that the wind helped the lift Lol...
and that if it wasn't for the wind they would not have had a successful take off.
eduvc123 3 years ago
wind is often considered an external assistance when it comes to making records ;)
i dont deny the Wright brothers were amongst the first to fly, but to label them as the first fliers ever and only etc is daft, the British dont do that with steam engines, we accept that before us were various concepts and creations, they may not have left proof but that does not mean they didnt happen
animesis 3 years ago
animesis-I agree, here the distinction is in the addition of the controlled and the sustained when referring to their flights of December 17th. I don't just look at the Wright's in such simple terms as "inventors" of the airplane, nothing could be farther from the truth. What is more fascinating is their story and the process of developing a functioning flying machine and actually learning to fly.
warp13 3 years ago
"Santos-Dumont designed, built, and flew the first practical dirigible balloons. In doing so he became the first person to demonstrate that routine, controlled flight was possible, October 19, 1901"
eduvc123 3 years ago
"Santos-Dumont made the first public European flight of an airplane in Paris on October 23, 1906. That aircraft, designated 14-bis or Oiseau de proie (French for "bird of prey"), was the first to take off, fly, and land without the use of catapults, high winds, launch rails, or other external assistance."
and I say again no other external assistance...
eduvc123 3 years ago
You are right about the unassisted flight, the Wrights could claim to be pioneers of flight because they were the first to be filmed as proof. But others have also claimed to be first. Karl Jatho(August 1903), Richard Pearse(New Zealand, March 1903) also Clement Ader in a steam engined bat winged monoplane in 1890! Would love to see that last one fly even though it flew for only 60 yards.
cavalier080854 3 years ago
eduvc-And I say again, since when is wind considered external assistance? I suppose you also consider gravity to be external assistance?
warp13 3 years ago
"Wright brothers' flight did not fulfill the conditions that had been set up at the time to distinguish a true flight from a prolonged hop."
eduvc123 3 years ago
The first ever mechanical flight with ON-BORD MEANS ONLY still credited by scientific world to Romanian inventor Traian Vuia which managed to take-off in 18 March 1906 in France,Montesson location. So , almost half an year before Santos -Dumont...!!! No catapults, no other means.....just its own engine !!!
L19G65 1 year ago
@L19G65 I think it's clear that all these guys had designs that flew early on in history and if you look at ALL the designs they were very different...
My point is aviation wasn't INVENTED by anyway It was more like an evolutionary process...
And I'm pretty sure there was a crazy nut around the world that achieved flight before all these guys but wasn't ducomented.
As far as early concepts go though, one could make the argument da Vinvi "invented" it. I believe he did fly.
eduvc123 1 year ago
@L19G65 Sorry I meant by *anyone*
and *Leonardo da Vinci*
eduvc123 1 year ago
@eduvc123 No. 14bis was incapable of turning
ANUSDESTR0YER 5 months ago
@eduvc123 The Wright Brothers invented TRUE FLIGHT! Santo-Dumont just GLIDED.
TRUE FLIGHT means "SUSTAINED" (60 minutes or more ) and "CONTROLLED" (you can TURN and make your plane CIRCLE).
Santos-Dumont did NIETHER.
Calling a glider an airplane is misleading!
JudgeGrif 3 months ago
great
nergvol 3 years ago
Amerca makes may claims,most of them untrue,this is one of them the wrigths didn't invent flight,they just used other peoplesi idea's
Twirly60 3 years ago
then why didn't those other people buid the first plane
login001login001 3 years ago
Acually Gustav Albin Weisskopf(Gustave Whitehead) Build, and, alot of facts indicate that he flew an airplane before the Wrights too, if you think that building and time is what counts...
eduvc123 3 years ago