Uberhikari I was researching characterization and it's basically traits of the character and how they're presented. However, traits can be revealed through action and speech. Since Oda has stated numerous times that Luffy is a man of action, it would mean that Luffy's characterization is presented through Luffy's actions and his speeches. Therefore, a character doesn't necessarily need complexity; a character just needs traits that are consistent with his character to have good characterization.
I guess Goku didnt have any personal development. but his change throughout the series was his maturity from childhood to adult hood. From Dragonball to early DBZ he was very childish and happy-go-lucky... but in the Cell saga he actually buckled down and took things with a threat attached and actually shown some sort of concern for cause and effect. The Buu saga was where he was his most serious I guess, he then wanted to save the word from a monster, not just to have fun. GT he was very angry.
Goku too as much as I like him and do feel the need for him to fight whenever he's off screeen for a long time. Like when he came back to earth for a day, I actually felt happy to see his character again like the Z fighters were, however.. technically Goku is a VERY barebones character, but despite that he hasn't lost any likability. However he did show SOME inner conflict in the buu saga when he said he wanted the other characters to save the world themselves so he won't always have to.
Ichigo is a victim here of powerups making up more of his character then personality, I find ichigo a very boring an unrealistic protagonist. He's just boring to me. Rukia, Iryu, and even Orihime have more depth to their mindsets then he does. I dont watch bleach anymore but as far as I've gotten, hes very static, and a static protagonist brings down the entire story. Naruto atleast has ideas, not very logical or realistic either (not at all actually in shippuden) but has something there.
uber what other aspects in one piece do you also think credits oda as a "mediocre writer" other than just his style of writing out luffy's character? what do you actually think about the other elements of one piece, the theme, the world, the storytelling, the build ups of characters and their play in the field into the story, the story itself? the tone and the atmosphere?
I haven't watched too much of your videos to know if you also expand on this instead of just psychological character surmise
I like One piece but I agree it isnt as good as some of the other shonen out there. Full Metal Alchemist for example is a great example. I would also put Deathnote on that list.
@newway1012 Death is a fun read, but i wouldn't say especially that it is better than one piece in any sense expect for being dark?. the problem with death note is that it falls deeply in a lot of the conceptual elements that makes one piece a really good, and fun shonen manga that it is. Also, death note is advance shonen(hur), and that also doesn't make it better in any way.
actually in the manga kaiji the narrator does tell you there inner thought's and goal's of the character and what they are feelings are and the other characters feelings and thought's are too so the narrator is actually pretty good and so is the characterization in the show maybe you should give it a try if you like
The Sabo story in luffy's flashback is also very relevant and SUPER strong to characterization in one piece. And also very psychological in many different slices of the theme of freedom, and how Sabo had to come and ask himself very deeply, what IS freedom. And how does one grasp or even comprehend it? another strong theme in the tale of one piece.
I want to see this guy chew his own words into tender bits, spits them out and eat them again more and more after he reads the Whitebeard war aftermath + Luffy flashback.
Do you think you'd want to re-do this video once you've read Luffy's past? Like others have stated a lot happens between volumes 50 to 60 that could change how you view Oda's characterization of Luffy.
you DO realize this isn't the point of his character right? 50 volumes of reading this comic and I'm pretty sure some indication of sorts would spark of this rather than making this completely pointless video to do so.
I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but jesus man. and I don't care if you're trying to see a new light into that, it's not mean't to, one piece is a god damn action/adventure comic from shounen jump, not some vagabond style thing.
Not being able to reflect on his actions is a vital part of Luffy. He's irresponsible, childish and selfish beyond belief, has no consern or empathy towards anyone he doesn't personally know or take an interest in. He thinks the world revolves around him. He only makes friends with people who agree with him. That's what he's about, HIMSELF. One Piece is driven by his selfish obsession, and his nakama is so important to him because he can't handle the thought of being alone. He's 19 but still 5.
@Breezewontspeak Sure enough, Luffy doesn't seem very deep, but his purpose is not to stimulate our intellects, his purpose is to be the rubber band *ahem* that holds his crew together, through whoms perspective we see the world Oda has made. He's not really the focus, just a device that lets us see what Oda wants us to see. One Piece is not about Luffy, it's about the world. Luffy is just so narcissistic we begin to view things his way, just like everyone else he encounters. cont.
@Breezewontspeak The pacing of the story may seem screwy to you because you don't see One Piece for what it is: a collection of short stories, with the Strawhats simply being an excuse to move from one story to another, a framework, if you will. That's why Oda shows us so much about each island, because those islands and the people on them are the focus, which is why the Strawhats take back seat in development. I'll make no remark as to how good storytelling I consider this to be and end my rant
@Breezewontspeak Good shit. And now that I think about it you're absolutely right. I think the traumatic experiences that Luffy went through hindered his psychological growth. Like all children he's afraid of being alone, in the darkness that is the world. I don't know if you read Freud, but it's definitely applicable here: the basis of our connections is our fear of being alone, the fear that we are not worthy or incapable of being loved.
@uberhikari Glad to be able to share another perspective. When I started One Piece, I thought pretty much the same way as you, but my dad, who HAS studied some psychology, noticed this. So all credit goes to him. "Hidden depths", that's what this is.
@Breezewontspeak This is why I like making youtube videos; to see things in a new light. I'm now seeing new possibilities for understanding Luffy's character after talking to you. And your dad reads One Piece xD?
@uberhikari Well, watches the anime, anyway. One of the few people I know who manages to get over their bias, or the "cartoon = something silly for kids" -mentality most people seem to have. And he's 56, fancy that =)
@Breezewontspeak i see where u are coming from but did u have to think long and hard about how i would defend luffy and oda becasue u left alot of comments that make alot of since to the storyand what one piece truly is. good stuff my friend good stuff
you then talked about a series I don't know about, then you surmized a bit of the video and then you went off to ruruoni kenshin, which I watched, thoroughly enjoyed but is not in my top 10 list of anime, why because I like the fantasy genre beyond all others, and rurouni kenshin is historical fiction, and is therefore history heavy meaning that the world of the stroy,, the backdrop is already there, which allows for better overal storywriting since you have less to focus on and you actually
have real facts and events to grab back to, it is all in all a less creative way of writing a story. I haven't read/watched shaman king and berserk yet. Yu Yu haksuhso however is overrated as fuck, it is the most overrated thing out there everything in it, comes from literature there is nothing new, exciting or original in it. However hunter x hunter is the shit it far surpassed naruto and bleach. It is an amazing series. Meryem is a great character but not original. The turn around villain has
been done quite a lot. Even in the exact same way as meryem was done, (first created only for evil, then a human influences him, he starts to change and eventually starts to care about that human) his character has been done before. However never in the specific way as Yoshihiro done it. If you can't agree with this I understand however you must agree with me on this: Meryem's design, Meryem's appearance is taken straight of of dragonball, Meryem looks like the love child of Frieza and semi-
perfect cell. Or a fusion of semi-perfect cell and frieza. To get back to hunter x hunter kurapika is by far the most original and for me is the most intriguing character of the entire series. Killua has been done before. I haven't watchedor read monster or gundam either.
There where quite some frills in the analysis. Please respond to my comments, with intelligence and grace.
Yours Sincerely,
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Luffy: Thrown in jungle as kid. Raised by grandfather who neglected him. No friends untill he met Ace and fought to obtain his friendship. Witnessed his Sabo "Die". Later had "Ace" die in his arms. Luffy fights powerful enemies. Luffy loses fights. Witnessed his whole crew taken apaprt whilst he's helpless to do anything. Takes on the govenment to save Robin. Luffy punches a celestian dragon to stand up for what is right. Takes burdens of all his friends upon himself. See's shanks lose him arm
@88FallenWarrior Its so simplistic to state Luffy is a poor character because he doesn't think. Not everyone in a real world reflects or go through changes. One Piece focuses on more realistic approach in my opinion. One Piece focus on putting the crew through hardships which is more realistic in real life then have every crew member has a constantly changing/ adapting/ growing character which on a constant basis is unrealistic.
something telling me lufffy enemies will manipulate luffy on how ace got kill right in front of him, saying it was his fault. i think luffy death of ace will come back to haunt him in the series. he not going to get over that
My god,I think some people are taking this a little to far.
Fellow One Piece fans,it has flaws,everything does.Uberhikari is just pointing them out,he's not ruining the series for you or shooting you in the face.But as the old saying goes "If you can't take the heat,GTFO of the kitchen" & I say "If you're gonna stay in the kitchen,then make me a sandwich."
Anyway,what an awesome intelligent video & One Piece FTW XD!!!!!!!
@uberhikari As I was trying to explain with my previous analogy if you look at the things from the perspective of a person actually in One Piece you're argument would start to break down. Also, we've learned that luffy thinks the way he thinks due to no one ever actually raising him+never receiving an education, which resulted in his childish nature and naivety, his morals and standards are all things he had learned from Shanks, his desire for freedom comes from sabo's death etc.
@therockforever2 Bro, no offense but I know you think Naruto>One Piece in terms of quality so I really cant take you seriously when you say that. I'm not attacking you but I hope you dont consider Kishi is a good writer while claiming that Oda is mediocre. Just saying.
@z3kRL there both as good as eachother there are lot of manga's that are better then naruto and one piece i just like naruto because it suits me an you like OP cause it suits you oda and kishi are not that complex compaired to other manga writers
@z3kRL i have always respected your opinion i would not be on this video if you didnt get me into OP an i also think hikari went a bit too far calling the most popular manga writer mediocre
@uberhikari You've only been looking at luffy and have failed to see that many other characters have partook in character reflection. Examples would be Usopp, Nami, Robin. Luffy has indeed reflected upon his own actions on more than one occasion. There are moments where luffy shows a complete understanding of the situation. An example of this would be his conversation with Vivi about war before they had arrived in alabasta. You are incorrect about Oda being a mediocre writer.
@uberhikari Right and wrong are subjective. To us it may seem as though luffy is doing the right thing but he can be seen as a horrid evil person to a citizen in OP. Pretend enies lobby a police station. Now imagine if my friend got arrested for something I didnt agree with, and we got a team together, broke in attacked and injured numerous policemen, broke our friend out and burned the place down to the ground. Does luffy still sound like he's on the morally correct side of the situation?
@FurikusuJ5 Step 4 is incorrect, as is step 2, step 5, and step 3. Step 4 was disproven by the fishman island arc. Nami and Zeo had similar fighting abilities yet they did not fight. Chopper and the cookie cutter fishman had similar abilities yet they did not fight. Step 3, Step 5, Step 4 and step 2 are completely disproven by the Marineford arc, Saboady, Impel Down, and the Kuja island arc.
@1stnaruto Like I already said, what makes a good character all depends on a persons opinion. Jio Freed is a horrible character. 666satan is a horrible series. Its probably the worst series I have ever read and the only one I actually regret reading. How is Sabo a good character? not saying hes bad theres just nothing noteworthy about him. Same with Edward, and I havent read HxH.
I don't know why but Oda intentionally made Luffy not have internal dialog because he wanted the readers to see him as a "man of action" but I really don't think it worked all that well. If you ever get to Luffy's backstory I would like to know what you think of that, but great video.
I believe you do not know the components of Shonen Manga and haven't been well read in actively studying titles and are instead confusing personal opinion with merits that represent quality.
The reason One Piece is considered among the best shonen Manga is because it has all components of Shonen manga and expands on those aspects greatly, while pushing boundaries of what is appropriate for children in Shonen Manga, its accessibility to many audiences, and it's complicated story.
look oda making luffy in King of the Pirates gold roger was just like luffy gold roger was somebody who was fearless and we still dont know much about luffy dad so just wait.
i was the one who brought up "now and then, here and there" on your vid "older anime vs new anime" and although the protagonist IS an idiot and what he said to the raped girl WAS callous and highly retarded, you shouldn't just based now and then's story quality solely on that and also insult my "standards" for a good story in the process. i don't like shu (protagonist) as a character but he is necessary for the story. he is an allegory for all children who grew up in relatively peaceful times -
@sharemefree those who didn't experience the horrors of wars - as oppose to the other children (in Hellywood) who grew up and continues to live as soldiers for a tyrant and insane leader. what he said to sara (raped girl), although idiotic, is understandable if you think about that: 1) he's a teenager (15/16 years old), 2) haven't experience any psychological traumatic events in his life and 3) male. what i like about now and then is that it is chuck full of symbolisms and at the end of this
@sharemefree series, it makes me think the "what ifs" and how the events happened on the series reflects what is currently happening on some parts of our world. this is how i judge what constitutes a good story or not.
There is no arrogance, Uber. You are too humble for that. And videos like these is just evidence of your academic background. Great video, learned a lot today, haha.
Most characters in OP basically have a one-shot backstory that makes the character represent something.Brook's story of keeping his sanity alone in darkness for decades makes him a personification of hope, and Robin is a proof that you can find good things if you keep living. I admit OP's characters are shallow. Especially Sanji, Nami and Usopp are the epitome of bland characterization. As valid as your criticism is on its own OP should not be bashed for not being what it doesn't aim to be.
@MasterKingJC4ever totally agree...he's probably the 2nd strongest non-devil fruit user now (next to Zoro) he's also the bravest in the crew and thats saying a lot. If he really considers Usopp as an example of bland characterization. Then he doesn't know NEARLY enough about One Piece to be talking about it like this from the beginning
Your video was a nice recap of high school literature courses and had good analytical structure, but you need to realize One Piece characters represent ideals. It's a stylistic choice that suits the grand scale and fantastical nature of the story and tells nothing of the author's capabilities as writer. E.g. Luffy doesn't need to develop from social and psychological tensions, they already exist in the contrast between his nature as a free spirited adventurer and role of responsible captain.
This is one the first video of yours that I have seen, and it was excellent. You brought up tons of great points throughout the video, and I actually learned a few thing lol. Also I'm glad to see more people see the brilliant characterization Togashi gives to his characters in Hunter x Hunter.
Yo, creators of Hiraku No go, Death Note and Bakuman. Those two are by far masters of the manga world in terms of characterization and story telling. I know you know this.
ok so watched the entire video, you brought up good points uberhikari and i've even learned a few things, i've always felt that luffy is a moron and well got to say I like him that way but it would be nice to see him take the world around him a little bit more serious but not so serious that his character takes a complete 180. Also it's nice to know that another person has seen the complexity in Hunter x Hunter and how well Togashi does with characters especially Meruem who in my opinion...
Just heard about the new Rorouni Kenshin ordeal. I'm angry that they aren't going to animate the Jinchu arc because although the Kyoto arc is the best arc of that anime and one of my top arcs of all time but really i've seen and read this all before. Sorry to get off topic here Uberhikari, just had to blow some smoke
DAMN i just sat down and drew while i heard this masterpiece and DAAMNN i got wayy more then i expected i loved the analysis of literature, tht was fantastic the points you raised on one piece, everything was great, im an aspiring mangaka and the pointers you gave out really helped me out and will in the future, this shit is going on my favorites, this was good work man good work.
If you put as much effort in to your Berserk review as you did this video my head might explode. LOL. Awesome video man. I look forward to watching your next one.
why the fuck are you jumping the gun, you haven't watched one piece as a whole , don't be so short sighted and condescending, it's unbecomming of you. The themes you talk about have all resurfaced and have all been deepened after volume 50. You stopped reading right infront of the most important part of the series thus far. Do you know your abusing the word subpar, subpar means not measuring up to specific standars of any given thing, furhtermore a standard is a undefinable line set by a group
of people. Meaning the majority of ideas and opinions of a community make the standard for the community, in case of anime series, series like dragonball (for shonen) and sailormoon (for shojo) set the standards. And in this case dragonball acts as the baseline at which we set the standard of (shonen) anime. Dragonball being generally preceived as great or even as awesome. Then above great comes aweseme and epic and below great comes, high above average, above average, average, below average,
extremely below average, subpar, very supbar, poor, dreadful, horrible and nauseating. After reading this you should have come to the realization that you have been using the word subpar far to lightly. In my opinion one piece is epic however going beyond my opinion and looking at the community as a whole they generally rank one piece as one of the greats, at the same level of dragonball or near the level of dragonball that is what the majority does, however my opinion again is that it has long
surpassed dragonball. Yet the majority rules meaning its great and not subpar in any way shape of form. If you create many characters you aren't required to give them all the time and it would even be wasteful to give them all the time to get characterization, but that doesn't matter since they are there to deepen out the story. In a series with a lot of characters only the main characters have to get ample amounts of characterization, this happens in one piece through the backstory however
it could have been more expanded upon. But taking in account naruto and bleach those two fuckers have far to less characterization for all of the main characters, making therefore one piece a far better series. Only reading black literature which has only been around for a mere 400 a 500 years, seriously damages your view on literature in general, as you might know literature was created in the mediterranean by the greeks and romans pridominantly along with opera, theather and shadowplay.
(not to be confused with shadowpuppetry which actually originated in africa) they where the first (as far as we know, since a lot of thing have been lost) who made and wrote down stories and found new ways of telling them and almost all the archetypes, plot point, plot twists, characterizations, storylines, background and other story aspects we see in today's literature comes from the stories made then and when in the late 16th century literature made it's comeback thanks to printing press it
slowly started evolving once again and even more slowly people thought of new ways of story writing and new characters, backgrounds, plot twist, plot points etc. Yet they already faced the problem that most things had been done before, a writting problem that has only become bigger and bigger and bigger ever since. All the literature made today stems and comes from and draws their inspiration from them (or blatantly rip them off). This obviously goes for all written works, movies, tv series and
anime included. Yes I am extremely invested in one piece however, that doens't stop me from seeing the bad aspects and flaws of it, however again in comparison with bleach and naruto there aren't that many. Yet sadly what goes for me doesn't go for the majority, just look at all the tards out there. Aristotle that took me be surprise after you just said all that about black literature. It seems you do know greek and roman literature. This however will not stop me from commenting further,
yet I will call it quits for today since I just passed your 15 minute mark (while I have already been thinking and typing for over an hour.) all I say to make you look forward to my next comments is that aristotle has been proven wrong on quite a few of his assumptions. Yet looking towards other key important people of history who dealt with matters of the mind like Sigmund Freud and Albert Einstein he has by far the better record when it comes accurateness and truelism (which is sadly a very
forgotten form of approving someones great accomplishments and contributions to the world) since those two have been proven wrong or contradicted on a gamut of different things. Anyway I will resume commenting tomorrow a soon as I can, look forward to it. And remember you are not the only smart one out there, I am here too and luckily there are also others, but you did know that already, yet you might not have yet noticed me. Well be prepared to find a barrage of comments from me on all your
PS: I am a Dutch Law student, meaning I am Dutch and I study Dutch Law. Yet I also have a keen interest in psychology, history, literature, science and architecture.
To nitpick when you say to .............truth you could have said their version of the truth because what is truth really is, is different to everyone. Remember only a group of early novelists was obsessed with this not all, there where a lot more different ways emerging to tell story or take story telling in another direction, like the account driven way of storytelling (like in logs) or the heavily informative sceintific way (think J.Verne).
Your second part misses the following ending: later (near the end of the 18th century) writers slowly went back to more allegory and developed the mystery, crime fantasy, adventure, sceince fiction, thriller and horror genres.
Your talking about characterization as if it is a must for any kind of written work, when it isn't, a lot of stories don't have much of any kind of characterization, why because they are stories that don't need characterization. Having characterization
isn't a must for story writing, you can write an amazing story without any characterization in it. Those stories are heavily event based, something happens then something happens again, then something happens that is connected to the first thing that happened enz. the characters in those stories are basicly only there because the need to be, but the story focusses on what happens not on anything that has anything to do with the characters themselves A story
coud even be written without characters in it And there are a weird few stories without any characters appearing in it at all; those stories are basicly only unengaged narratives. Mental conditioning or the act of disciplining once mind, helps you to rise above and control chemical reactions in you brain like those caused by testosteron and other hormones. Physiognomy is nothing more then discrimination, the appearance of a persons face doesn't tell you anything about a person
however once face along with once mannerisms, full appearance (clothing style, talking style, moving style {everyone moves in his or her own unique way, however discerning a persons unique way of movement is extremely difficult} and acting style {towards certain situations} ) and once physic does. However even then you can easily fall into a certain prejudice towards someone. And remember prejudice is always baseless and argumentless thing and should be avoided at all costs.
you can never say with a one hundred procent certainty that this person is that, that and that because of that, that and that. Things aren't that simple, we don't live in a black and white world at all. Everything has to be look at from every angle and everything should not be taken at face value, things are always far more nuanced than they might seem to be. Even very nuanced things.
Anyway this is it for today, tomorrow I will continue with the next 15 minutes of your video.
First I have to try and lift your confussion about storytelling, storytelling is dependent on in which medium it is presented, you cannot expect a story told through a visual medium (television, movies, anime, manga, games etc) to have the same kind of storytelling, plot writing, characterization and development as stories written in a non-visual medium (books, articles, essays etc.). In visual media,
characterization is achieved through events, something happens and the character reacts on it not by thinking about it, but be dealing with it and doing something with it. To spoil one piece for you ace dies and luffy reflects upon this by wanting to die and giving up his dream of becoming pirate king, this is a form of characterization, character and plot devolpment through an event. When you talk about characterization in your video you talk like characterization only exists
in the form you are presenting it to us. Just so that you get me clear, nothing you say in the video about characterization is wrong, all of it is true, but only true for non visual mediums. A visual medium depends on showing you what happens while a non-visual medium depends on telling you what happens. Visual medium also has the recuirement that it must always has to be told through dialogue, which is to say through scriptwriting. I hope the realization has dawned on you
that consistentcy, complexion, reasoning etc. I shown by actions and events not by heavy thinking, there is no room for that in visual mediums. You cannot show a character thinking for over 5 minutes, and that is already stretching it.
To get to Luffy, luffy is an extremely complex character with a lot of psychological damage and issue. First and foremost Luffy suffers from extreme low affect (or to say it with different words he has a huge indifference towards the world,
inculding towards people, events, danger, history, racism etc) furthermore luffy shows some general autistic tendencies. By a person behavior you can tell his/her psychological complexity, ethical complexity and development on those fronts, however this devolpment is shown and not necessarily explictly stated, you have to get to this depth by activily and engagingly watching a show, try watching one piece again and focus on their behavior and the obvious change they go
becomes clear. Luffy has thanks to his very neglective upbringing, developed a huge sense of self reliance and self importence and with it came a very low affect to things and a huge indifference towards the world and it's problems. Luffy however can still tell right from wrong and good from bad, though he remains very naive, yet not as naive a chopper. His uncommen psyche makes him such a great character. Tomorrow will bring my last comments on this video.
The rest of the video was mostly about luffy and I already explained what kind of character luffy is. And that you are seeing things completely wrong. Luffy is an amazing character and it is a sad indeed that you can't see that
@LetsTalkOnePiece I'm not gonna lie but, I never thought about all the psychological issues that Luffy had when I first looked at One Piece. The events with Sabo explain why he acts the way he does like some people above posted. It explains why he was wailing like a child and damn near suffered a mental breakdown when Kuma separated him from his crew. He finally snapped when you know who died. I took a psychology class and what you said about Luffy makes sense. good stuff
@TvKing00 well I haven't been bashing naruto and bleach here, my wording could have been a less hard but I already wrote 'those two fuckers' and didn't feel the need to change it All I wrote is that the characterization in one piece is hugely far better then it is in naruto and bleach. My wording could have been less and I say sowiemasen for that.
@LetsTalkOnePiece He has every right to critique a series after fifty volumes of investment. By saying that he only read up to around volume fifty, he makes it clear that he doesn't critique the later chapters. That said, the job of the author is to catch the interest of the reader with the first few chapters. He also made it abundantly clear that he was talking about characterization, in which case One piece is horrible, by virtually any literary standard.
@FundamentalPhysicist first let me start by saying my comment started out as a quick response and I admit that I was wrong for saying he jump the gun, I was the one who jumped the gun. Then secondly he has the right to do everything he wants, but not without getting critique for it. Thirdly and this point I will expand upon in my upcomming comments is the point that he is viewing one piece from a very reversed narrow standpoint.thepokekid01 makes this very clear in his
@FundamentalPhysicist comment to hikari. As a writer you have to carefully decide what you wanna write, since oda choose to write Shonen. Shonen is written to appeal to certain group, the first chapter of a good shonen therefore must immediatly appeal to that group, which one piece does slowly, however slow doesn't equal bad, it is a slow start but a good one. Like I said in my comment one piece as a shonen only needs to have characterization for the main characters,which
@FundamentalPhysicist it has. However it could have been done better and there should have been more of. But it isn't horrible by any literary standard and especially not by a shonen manga standard where there is a big pool of continuously reappering characters and character types.
@LetsTalkOnePiece He watched 50 volumes, how is that jumping the gun? so you think OP will have all what was missing in just a few more volumes? Even if it did it doesn't change the fact that the previous 50 volumes sucked characterization-wise
@HisokaBungie let me start by saying my comment started out as a quick response and I admit that I was wrong for saying he jumped the gun, I was the one who jumped the gun.
One Piece only has a few little things missing in it, hikari is looking at it from a reversed narrow viewpoint thepokekid01 makes this very clear in his comment to hikari.
One Piece is a shonen,a shonen only needs to have characterization for the main characters,which it has. However it could have been done
@HisokaBungie better and there should have been more characterization for the main characters. But in now way shape or form did the charaterization suck in one piece, it only could have been done better. Yet remember most shonen anime have very little to no characterization in them and are filled with useless characters that where once set up to become important in the story.
@uberhikari I understand your points however. Luffy did reflect on his actions but this was after you read. He always had a backstory which was shown in chapter one, then ace was forshadowed in drum had an official appearance in Alabasta, Sabo was foreshadowed too & then his whole back story was developed in an arc. some points you made were true that the "first 50 volumes" of the show had those problems, but One Piece isn't over yet so until then can these points truly hit hard.
@piro632 it leans more towards bad than good. there is the saying act now, think later but with luffy is act now, never think..... i dont remember luffy ever thinking to himself in the manga but only having that damn blank stare he always has then all he has to say is," im gonna beat him up" or something like that. luffy says that he doesn't want to be a hero which is complete bullshit b/c what he does makes him a hero which makes him flawed b/c he isn't thinking. he's technically a retard.
@1stnaruto Luffy doesn't want to be a hero. And for the most part he's never been praised for it. The government gave credit to Smoker for saving Alabasta. And he thought The citizens of skypeia were gonna shoot him with a cannon, so he thought he was being cool by "Stealing" some Gold from Them. He's gained a lot of Infamy though.
He's had his moment though where he's actually been logical. Examples:Like the Fight he had with Vivi in Alabasta, or how he didn't fight against Bellamy in the Bar
Oda really needs to step it up in developing Luffy, is already half of the manga and Luffy's development should ha e been on a higher point by now, yes is true that he reflected upon Ace's dead and how he needed to become stronger to protect his nakama but that is really not enough. Luffy has to think moré about whats going on in his world, he needs to think outside the his box.
Agree with everything you said. One Piece is definitely enjoyable and levels above the other big 3 manga, but it still lacks the quality of other shonens...or mangas in general.
Looking forward to watching more of these videos!
PS: Imagine how long this video would've been if this were a Bleach-related video.
@UwanahSasuke100 Luffy saw a guy die when he was 7. as Shanks said this isn't childs play. Luffy was prepared for death. Luffy did mature a great deal over the series, for example less imitations and songs. deciding to train for 2 yrs so he won't lose his nakama. timeskip Luffy has been far more serious during fight scenes. Luffy has greatly matured but maturing does change the root of the character.
I understand that oda is not the best writer, but I think its too harsh to say that he is mediocre he is at least an average mangaka. you have to understand that to those of us who have not taken graduate level English classes Luffy is a great character.
Luffys back story starts volume 59 so um you should read some more volumes... I think you would love marineford, and fishman island is mostly about slavery; so please continue reading more one piece.
@TheMarmboy I actually use data collected by various polls, research studies, ect. you should call it by a character it did not originate from we don't name scientific terms based on those who its most commonly refered to. sorry for spelling and grammare been awake for 23hrs
hmm I suppose so, but tbh I don't want luffy being too mature half way through the series, OP would be more boring and unpredictable and too serious way too early. I'm not trying to say oda id the best writer ever or that he a GREAT manga writer, all im trying to say is that considering that we're only half way through the series, oda has handled the job of writing OP very well and doesn't deserve to be called mediocre. OP is good but it's the great, well it isn't so far anyway!
@TheMarmboy Luffy is more likable when did this turn to better. Luffy appeals to a broader ranch of people than a serios one. btw goku wasn't the first to have this type of personality. LOL uneducated people.
@Zern227 "Uneducated" is what you call someone. I never stated Goku was the first person with this personality but he is the most popular character who have this typical shonen trait. How does luffy appeal to a broader ranch ?? you have tons of characters who are relatable and appeal to a much larger rate luffy isn't relatable or complex he is as simple as it gets. which overall don't or shouldn't appeal to a "broader ranch" of people. just because a character is simple doesnt means he
Uberhikari I was researching characterization and it's basically traits of the character and how they're presented. However, traits can be revealed through action and speech. Since Oda has stated numerous times that Luffy is a man of action, it would mean that Luffy's characterization is presented through Luffy's actions and his speeches. Therefore, a character doesn't necessarily need complexity; a character just needs traits that are consistent with his character to have good characterization.
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Lawliethatake 2 days ago
Can you rant on bleach?
hotwhire 4 days ago
I guess Goku didnt have any personal development. but his change throughout the series was his maturity from childhood to adult hood. From Dragonball to early DBZ he was very childish and happy-go-lucky... but in the Cell saga he actually buckled down and took things with a threat attached and actually shown some sort of concern for cause and effect. The Buu saga was where he was his most serious I guess, he then wanted to save the word from a monster, not just to have fun. GT he was very angry.
hotwhire 4 days ago
Goku too as much as I like him and do feel the need for him to fight whenever he's off screeen for a long time. Like when he came back to earth for a day, I actually felt happy to see his character again like the Z fighters were, however.. technically Goku is a VERY barebones character, but despite that he hasn't lost any likability. However he did show SOME inner conflict in the buu saga when he said he wanted the other characters to save the world themselves so he won't always have to.
hotwhire 4 days ago
Ichigo is a victim here of powerups making up more of his character then personality, I find ichigo a very boring an unrealistic protagonist. He's just boring to me. Rukia, Iryu, and even Orihime have more depth to their mindsets then he does. I dont watch bleach anymore but as far as I've gotten, hes very static, and a static protagonist brings down the entire story. Naruto atleast has ideas, not very logical or realistic either (not at all actually in shippuden) but has something there.
hotwhire 4 days ago
uber what other aspects in one piece do you also think credits oda as a "mediocre writer" other than just his style of writing out luffy's character? what do you actually think about the other elements of one piece, the theme, the world, the storytelling, the build ups of characters and their play in the field into the story, the story itself? the tone and the atmosphere?
I haven't watched too much of your videos to know if you also expand on this instead of just psychological character surmise
Zephos100 2 weeks ago
I like One piece but I agree it isnt as good as some of the other shonen out there. Full Metal Alchemist for example is a great example. I would also put Deathnote on that list.
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@newway1012 Death is a fun read, but i wouldn't say especially that it is better than one piece in any sense expect for being dark?. the problem with death note is that it falls deeply in a lot of the conceptual elements that makes one piece a really good, and fun shonen manga that it is. Also, death note is advance shonen(hur), and that also doesn't make it better in any way.
I never read FMA.
Zephos100 2 weeks ago
actually in the manga kaiji the narrator does tell you there inner thought's and goal's of the character and what they are feelings are and the other characters feelings and thought's are too so the narrator is actually pretty good and so is the characterization in the show maybe you should give it a try if you like
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The Sabo story in luffy's flashback is also very relevant and SUPER strong to characterization in one piece. And also very psychological in many different slices of the theme of freedom, and how Sabo had to come and ask himself very deeply, what IS freedom. And how does one grasp or even comprehend it? another strong theme in the tale of one piece.
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I want to see this guy chew his own words into tender bits, spits them out and eat them again more and more after he reads the Whitebeard war aftermath + Luffy flashback.
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Do you think you'd want to re-do this video once you've read Luffy's past? Like others have stated a lot happens between volumes 50 to 60 that could change how you view Oda's characterization of Luffy.
NaruffyKun 4 weeks ago
Luffy and psychological complexity.
you DO realize this isn't the point of his character right? 50 volumes of reading this comic and I'm pretty sure some indication of sorts would spark of this rather than making this completely pointless video to do so.
I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but jesus man. and I don't care if you're trying to see a new light into that, it's not mean't to, one piece is a god damn action/adventure comic from shounen jump, not some vagabond style thing.
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One Hour?
Damn, this nigga can talk!
IWantMyVisionBack 4 weeks ago
holy this is long. Agree with some things. Have u watched Lost - tv show and what do you think of it ?
strikerextreme 1 month ago
Not being able to reflect on his actions is a vital part of Luffy. He's irresponsible, childish and selfish beyond belief, has no consern or empathy towards anyone he doesn't personally know or take an interest in. He thinks the world revolves around him. He only makes friends with people who agree with him. That's what he's about, HIMSELF. One Piece is driven by his selfish obsession, and his nakama is so important to him because he can't handle the thought of being alone. He's 19 but still 5.
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@Breezewontspeak Sure enough, Luffy doesn't seem very deep, but his purpose is not to stimulate our intellects, his purpose is to be the rubber band *ahem* that holds his crew together, through whoms perspective we see the world Oda has made. He's not really the focus, just a device that lets us see what Oda wants us to see. One Piece is not about Luffy, it's about the world. Luffy is just so narcissistic we begin to view things his way, just like everyone else he encounters. cont.
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@Breezewontspeak The pacing of the story may seem screwy to you because you don't see One Piece for what it is: a collection of short stories, with the Strawhats simply being an excuse to move from one story to another, a framework, if you will. That's why Oda shows us so much about each island, because those islands and the people on them are the focus, which is why the Strawhats take back seat in development. I'll make no remark as to how good storytelling I consider this to be and end my rant
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@Breezewontspeak Good shit. And now that I think about it you're absolutely right. I think the traumatic experiences that Luffy went through hindered his psychological growth. Like all children he's afraid of being alone, in the darkness that is the world. I don't know if you read Freud, but it's definitely applicable here: the basis of our connections is our fear of being alone, the fear that we are not worthy or incapable of being loved.
uberhikari 1 month ago
@Breezewontspeak Luffy may be more complex than I gave him credit for.
uberhikari 1 month ago
@uberhikari Glad to be able to share another perspective. When I started One Piece, I thought pretty much the same way as you, but my dad, who HAS studied some psychology, noticed this. So all credit goes to him. "Hidden depths", that's what this is.
Breezewontspeak 1 month ago
@Breezewontspeak This is why I like making youtube videos; to see things in a new light. I'm now seeing new possibilities for understanding Luffy's character after talking to you. And your dad reads One Piece xD?
uberhikari 1 month ago
@uberhikari Well, watches the anime, anyway. One of the few people I know who manages to get over their bias, or the "cartoon = something silly for kids" -mentality most people seem to have. And he's 56, fancy that =)
Breezewontspeak 1 month ago
@Breezewontspeak Good stuff man
SpymanTIVC 1 month ago
@Breezewontspeak i see where u are coming from but did u have to think long and hard about how i would defend luffy and oda becasue u left alot of comments that make alot of since to the storyand what one piece truly is. good stuff my friend good stuff
Datboyalegend 1 month ago
you then talked about a series I don't know about, then you surmized a bit of the video and then you went off to ruruoni kenshin, which I watched, thoroughly enjoyed but is not in my top 10 list of anime, why because I like the fantasy genre beyond all others, and rurouni kenshin is historical fiction, and is therefore history heavy meaning that the world of the stroy,, the backdrop is already there, which allows for better overal storywriting since you have less to focus on and you actually
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
have real facts and events to grab back to, it is all in all a less creative way of writing a story. I haven't read/watched shaman king and berserk yet. Yu Yu haksuhso however is overrated as fuck, it is the most overrated thing out there everything in it, comes from literature there is nothing new, exciting or original in it. However hunter x hunter is the shit it far surpassed naruto and bleach. It is an amazing series. Meryem is a great character but not original. The turn around villain has
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
been done quite a lot. Even in the exact same way as meryem was done, (first created only for evil, then a human influences him, he starts to change and eventually starts to care about that human) his character has been done before. However never in the specific way as Yoshihiro done it. If you can't agree with this I understand however you must agree with me on this: Meryem's design, Meryem's appearance is taken straight of of dragonball, Meryem looks like the love child of Frieza and semi-
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
perfect cell. Or a fusion of semi-perfect cell and frieza. To get back to hunter x hunter kurapika is by far the most original and for me is the most intriguing character of the entire series. Killua has been done before. I haven't watchedor read monster or gundam either.
There where quite some frills in the analysis. Please respond to my comments, with intelligence and grace.
Yours Sincerely,
Henri (letstalkonepiece) Youdon'tneedtoknowmylastname.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece The manga is 10X better and DAMN you posted a lot of comments.
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Luffy: Thrown in jungle as kid. Raised by grandfather who neglected him. No friends untill he met Ace and fought to obtain his friendship. Witnessed his Sabo "Die". Later had "Ace" die in his arms. Luffy fights powerful enemies. Luffy loses fights. Witnessed his whole crew taken apaprt whilst he's helpless to do anything. Takes on the govenment to save Robin. Luffy punches a celestian dragon to stand up for what is right. Takes burdens of all his friends upon himself. See's shanks lose him arm
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@88FallenWarrior Its so simplistic to state Luffy is a poor character because he doesn't think. Not everyone in a real world reflects or go through changes. One Piece focuses on more realistic approach in my opinion. One Piece focus on putting the crew through hardships which is more realistic in real life then have every crew member has a constantly changing/ adapting/ growing character which on a constant basis is unrealistic.
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something telling me lufffy enemies will manipulate luffy on how ace got kill right in front of him, saying it was his fault. i think luffy death of ace will come back to haunt him in the series. he not going to get over that
phoniexkai 1 month ago
My god,I think some people are taking this a little to far.
Fellow One Piece fans,it has flaws,everything does.Uberhikari is just pointing them out,he's not ruining the series for you or shooting you in the face.But as the old saying goes "If you can't take the heat,GTFO of the kitchen" & I say "If you're gonna stay in the kitchen,then make me a sandwich."
Anyway,what an awesome intelligent video & One Piece FTW XD!!!!!!!
Jeddy027 1 month ago
@Jeddy027 We know OP has his flaws its just that a few of his points are incorrect.
z3kRL 1 month ago
@z3kRL Can't we all get along?This is just a fictional story made for teenaged boys,WHO THE FUCK CARES????
Jeddy027 1 month ago
@Jeddy027 Errr....what? do I sound hostile to you? all I did was make a simple statement, I wasnt attacking anyone -_-
z3kRL 1 month ago
@z3kRL Sorry,this wasn't targeted towards you,just everyone in general.
Jeddy027 1 month ago
@Jeddy027 Oh ok.
z3kRL 1 month ago
i think
therockforever2 1 month ago
@uberhikari As I was trying to explain with my previous analogy if you look at the things from the perspective of a person actually in One Piece you're argument would start to break down. Also, we've learned that luffy thinks the way he thinks due to no one ever actually raising him+never receiving an education, which resulted in his childish nature and naivety, his morals and standards are all things he had learned from Shanks, his desire for freedom comes from sabo's death etc.
z3kRL 1 month ago
@z3kRL oda's a normal writer not anything great thats why he said hes mediocre hes manga gets sales because its so simple people love simple
therockforever2 1 month ago
@therockforever2 Bro, no offense but I know you think Naruto>One Piece in terms of quality so I really cant take you seriously when you say that. I'm not attacking you but I hope you dont consider Kishi is a good writer while claiming that Oda is mediocre. Just saying.
z3kRL 1 month ago
@z3kRL there both as good as eachother there are lot of manga's that are better then naruto and one piece i just like naruto because it suits me an you like OP cause it suits you oda and kishi are not that complex compaired to other manga writers
therockforever2 1 month ago
@therockforever2 Ok I respect your opinion.
z3kRL 1 month ago
@z3kRL i have always respected your opinion i would not be on this video if you didnt get me into OP an i also think hikari went a bit too far calling the most popular manga writer mediocre
therockforever2 1 month ago
@therockforever2 Oh, thats good to hear, and I agree with you for the most part.
z3kRL 1 month ago
@uberhikari You've only been looking at luffy and have failed to see that many other characters have partook in character reflection. Examples would be Usopp, Nami, Robin. Luffy has indeed reflected upon his own actions on more than one occasion. There are moments where luffy shows a complete understanding of the situation. An example of this would be his conversation with Vivi about war before they had arrived in alabasta. You are incorrect about Oda being a mediocre writer.
z3kRL 1 month ago
@uberhikari Right and wrong are subjective. To us it may seem as though luffy is doing the right thing but he can be seen as a horrid evil person to a citizen in OP. Pretend enies lobby a police station. Now imagine if my friend got arrested for something I didnt agree with, and we got a team together, broke in attacked and injured numerous policemen, broke our friend out and burned the place down to the ground. Does luffy still sound like he's on the morally correct side of the situation?
z3kRL 1 month ago
I wouldn't complain anything if you change the title to
The Art of Storytelling: Charecterization and One piece "Volume 1-50"
SpymanTIVC 1 month ago
What manga does that happen in EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ARC ?! .... XD
ONE PIECE SUCKS
FurikusuJ5 1 month ago
I'll give you a cookie if you know what Im talking about
Step 1-Go to new Island
Step 2-First person you meet in the island is conveniently the person who is going to be the person with the problem of that island
Step 3-Show a flashback of that person or of the island's history for about 5-8 chapters.
Step 4-Fight the antagonist (Everyone is conveniently matched up with someone similar to their fighting style)
Step 5-At the end of the arc the island throws them a fiest and GIVES them treasure.
FurikusuJ5 1 month ago
@FurikusuJ5 Step 4 is incorrect, as is step 2, step 5, and step 3. Step 4 was disproven by the fishman island arc. Nami and Zeo had similar fighting abilities yet they did not fight. Chopper and the cookie cutter fishman had similar abilities yet they did not fight. Step 3, Step 5, Step 4 and step 2 are completely disproven by the Marineford arc, Saboady, Impel Down, and the Kuja island arc.
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@1stnaruto Like I already said, what makes a good character all depends on a persons opinion. Jio Freed is a horrible character. 666satan is a horrible series. Its probably the worst series I have ever read and the only one I actually regret reading. How is Sabo a good character? not saying hes bad theres just nothing noteworthy about him. Same with Edward, and I havent read HxH.
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z3kRL 1 month ago
ah ok..... but just a friendly advise figth like man.... like a man of his words...(",)
tarsyong 1 month ago
huh!? are u sure wat ur talking about ODA? and why ur afraid of attacking comments? i dont really get it.....!!!
tarsyong 1 month ago
@tarsyong Maybe cause that shit is annoying
UberBlackMan 1 month ago
I don't know why but Oda intentionally made Luffy not have internal dialog because he wanted the readers to see him as a "man of action" but I really don't think it worked all that well. If you ever get to Luffy's backstory I would like to know what you think of that, but great video.
MrDizzySpinda 1 month ago
I believe you do not know the components of Shonen Manga and haven't been well read in actively studying titles and are instead confusing personal opinion with merits that represent quality.
The reason One Piece is considered among the best shonen Manga is because it has all components of Shonen manga and expands on those aspects greatly, while pushing boundaries of what is appropriate for children in Shonen Manga, its accessibility to many audiences, and it's complicated story.
thepokekid01 1 month ago
@thepokekid01 This video's length is insulting to your audience
thepokekid01 1 month ago
look oda making luffy in King of the Pirates gold roger was just like luffy gold roger was somebody who was fearless and we still dont know much about luffy dad so just wait.
TheCoolgame24 1 month ago
Why is the video 1 hour long?
/trollface
PrinceShion 1 month ago 7
i was the one who brought up "now and then, here and there" on your vid "older anime vs new anime" and although the protagonist IS an idiot and what he said to the raped girl WAS callous and highly retarded, you shouldn't just based now and then's story quality solely on that and also insult my "standards" for a good story in the process. i don't like shu (protagonist) as a character but he is necessary for the story. he is an allegory for all children who grew up in relatively peaceful times -
sharemefree 1 month ago
@sharemefree those who didn't experience the horrors of wars - as oppose to the other children (in Hellywood) who grew up and continues to live as soldiers for a tyrant and insane leader. what he said to sara (raped girl), although idiotic, is understandable if you think about that: 1) he's a teenager (15/16 years old), 2) haven't experience any psychological traumatic events in his life and 3) male. what i like about now and then is that it is chuck full of symbolisms and at the end of this
sharemefree 1 month ago
@sharemefree series, it makes me think the "what ifs" and how the events happened on the series reflects what is currently happening on some parts of our world. this is how i judge what constitutes a good story or not.
sharemefree 1 month ago
Nice to see that there are almost no raging tards commenting :)
One Piece is really fun for me, but the writing is subpar :)
Can you do HxH reviews? :D
Metwatter 1 month ago
This vid is heavy Ive never even looked at Manga like this before.
In closing:This vid was worth an hour!(hell it reminds me of lecture hall.)
AnbusKi 1 month ago 2
@AnbusKi hahahahah ur right dude:D
tarsyong 1 month ago
There is no arrogance, Uber. You are too humble for that. And videos like these is just evidence of your academic background. Great video, learned a lot today, haha.
IronGazille 1 month ago
Most characters in OP basically have a one-shot backstory that makes the character represent something.Brook's story of keeping his sanity alone in darkness for decades makes him a personification of hope, and Robin is a proof that you can find good things if you keep living. I admit OP's characters are shallow. Especially Sanji, Nami and Usopp are the epitome of bland characterization. As valid as your criticism is on its own OP should not be bashed for not being what it doesn't aim to be.
torreadaify 1 month ago
@torreadaify Usopp? Bland characterization?
Are you serious?
Usopp is probably the most developed character on the ship.
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@MasterKingJC4ever totally agree...he's probably the 2nd strongest non-devil fruit user now (next to Zoro) he's also the bravest in the crew and thats saying a lot. If he really considers Usopp as an example of bland characterization. Then he doesn't know NEARLY enough about One Piece to be talking about it like this from the beginning
earearman 1 month ago
Your video was a nice recap of high school literature courses and had good analytical structure, but you need to realize One Piece characters represent ideals. It's a stylistic choice that suits the grand scale and fantastical nature of the story and tells nothing of the author's capabilities as writer. E.g. Luffy doesn't need to develop from social and psychological tensions, they already exist in the contrast between his nature as a free spirited adventurer and role of responsible captain.
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@torreadaify Perfect Response!
Alpha2late17 1 month ago
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This is one the first video of yours that I have seen, and it was excellent. You brought up tons of great points throughout the video, and I actually learned a few thing lol. Also I'm glad to see more people see the brilliant characterization Togashi gives to his characters in Hunter x Hunter.
P.S. you just earned another subscriber! =D
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NJZanDatsu 1 month ago
... is one of the best developed characters so far in the series going. To me Meruems characterization was practically the same as The King and I.
BTW are you caught up with HxH and what do you think of the current ordeals pertaining to the current arc?
Mcwhirlpoolinc 1 month ago
Yo, creators of Hiraku No go, Death Note and Bakuman. Those two are by far masters of the manga world in terms of characterization and story telling. I know you know this.
BonkersTheBear 1 month ago
ok so watched the entire video, you brought up good points uberhikari and i've even learned a few things, i've always felt that luffy is a moron and well got to say I like him that way but it would be nice to see him take the world around him a little bit more serious but not so serious that his character takes a complete 180. Also it's nice to know that another person has seen the complexity in Hunter x Hunter and how well Togashi does with characters especially Meruem who in my opinion...
Mcwhirlpoolinc 1 month ago
can't wait for your berserk review!
do you plan on reviewing GANTZ?
dmoney23045 1 month ago
3 mins in lovin it so far, 57 more mins to go
NeroMasud 1 month ago
damn an hour lol
TheFadeForever 1 month ago
Just heard about the new Rorouni Kenshin ordeal. I'm angry that they aren't going to animate the Jinchu arc because although the Kyoto arc is the best arc of that anime and one of my top arcs of all time but really i've seen and read this all before. Sorry to get off topic here Uberhikari, just had to blow some smoke
lordoYYH255 1 month ago
DAMN i just sat down and drew while i heard this masterpiece and DAAMNN i got wayy more then i expected i loved the analysis of literature, tht was fantastic the points you raised on one piece, everything was great, im an aspiring mangaka and the pointers you gave out really helped me out and will in the future, this shit is going on my favorites, this was good work man good work.
ChemicalRafable 1 month ago
If you put as much effort in to your Berserk review as you did this video my head might explode. LOL. Awesome video man. I look forward to watching your next one.
myeonblueapocalypse 1 month ago
Wow alot of one piece fans are getting mad at one dude's opinion.....smh
drren189099 1 month ago
Dude...a entire hour..really?
darma79 1 month ago
why the fuck are you jumping the gun, you haven't watched one piece as a whole , don't be so short sighted and condescending, it's unbecomming of you. The themes you talk about have all resurfaced and have all been deepened after volume 50. You stopped reading right infront of the most important part of the series thus far. Do you know your abusing the word subpar, subpar means not measuring up to specific standars of any given thing, furhtermore a standard is a undefinable line set by a group
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
of people. Meaning the majority of ideas and opinions of a community make the standard for the community, in case of anime series, series like dragonball (for shonen) and sailormoon (for shojo) set the standards. And in this case dragonball acts as the baseline at which we set the standard of (shonen) anime. Dragonball being generally preceived as great or even as awesome. Then above great comes aweseme and epic and below great comes, high above average, above average, average, below average,
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
extremely below average, subpar, very supbar, poor, dreadful, horrible and nauseating. After reading this you should have come to the realization that you have been using the word subpar far to lightly. In my opinion one piece is epic however going beyond my opinion and looking at the community as a whole they generally rank one piece as one of the greats, at the same level of dragonball or near the level of dragonball that is what the majority does, however my opinion again is that it has long
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
surpassed dragonball. Yet the majority rules meaning its great and not subpar in any way shape of form. If you create many characters you aren't required to give them all the time and it would even be wasteful to give them all the time to get characterization, but that doesn't matter since they are there to deepen out the story. In a series with a lot of characters only the main characters have to get ample amounts of characterization, this happens in one piece through the backstory however
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
it could have been more expanded upon. But taking in account naruto and bleach those two fuckers have far to less characterization for all of the main characters, making therefore one piece a far better series. Only reading black literature which has only been around for a mere 400 a 500 years, seriously damages your view on literature in general, as you might know literature was created in the mediterranean by the greeks and romans pridominantly along with opera, theather and shadowplay.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
(not to be confused with shadowpuppetry which actually originated in africa) they where the first (as far as we know, since a lot of thing have been lost) who made and wrote down stories and found new ways of telling them and almost all the archetypes, plot point, plot twists, characterizations, storylines, background and other story aspects we see in today's literature comes from the stories made then and when in the late 16th century literature made it's comeback thanks to printing press it
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
slowly started evolving once again and even more slowly people thought of new ways of story writing and new characters, backgrounds, plot twist, plot points etc. Yet they already faced the problem that most things had been done before, a writting problem that has only become bigger and bigger and bigger ever since. All the literature made today stems and comes from and draws their inspiration from them (or blatantly rip them off). This obviously goes for all written works, movies, tv series and
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
anime included. Yes I am extremely invested in one piece however, that doens't stop me from seeing the bad aspects and flaws of it, however again in comparison with bleach and naruto there aren't that many. Yet sadly what goes for me doesn't go for the majority, just look at all the tards out there. Aristotle that took me be surprise after you just said all that about black literature. It seems you do know greek and roman literature. This however will not stop me from commenting further,
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
yet I will call it quits for today since I just passed your 15 minute mark (while I have already been thinking and typing for over an hour.) all I say to make you look forward to my next comments is that aristotle has been proven wrong on quite a few of his assumptions. Yet looking towards other key important people of history who dealt with matters of the mind like Sigmund Freud and Albert Einstein he has by far the better record when it comes accurateness and truelism (which is sadly a very
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
forgotten form of approving someones great accomplishments and contributions to the world) since those two have been proven wrong or contradicted on a gamut of different things. Anyway I will resume commenting tomorrow a soon as I can, look forward to it. And remember you are not the only smart one out there, I am here too and luckily there are also others, but you did know that already, yet you might not have yet noticed me. Well be prepared to find a barrage of comments from me on all your
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
upcomming videos.
PS: I am a Dutch Law student, meaning I am Dutch and I study Dutch Law. Yet I also have a keen interest in psychology, history, literature, science and architecture.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece I continue.
To nitpick when you say to .............truth you could have said their version of the truth because what is truth really is, is different to everyone. Remember only a group of early novelists was obsessed with this not all, there where a lot more different ways emerging to tell story or take story telling in another direction, like the account driven way of storytelling (like in logs) or the heavily informative sceintific way (think J.Verne).
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
Your second part misses the following ending: later (near the end of the 18th century) writers slowly went back to more allegory and developed the mystery, crime fantasy, adventure, sceince fiction, thriller and horror genres.
Your talking about characterization as if it is a must for any kind of written work, when it isn't, a lot of stories don't have much of any kind of characterization, why because they are stories that don't need characterization. Having characterization
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
isn't a must for story writing, you can write an amazing story without any characterization in it. Those stories are heavily event based, something happens then something happens again, then something happens that is connected to the first thing that happened enz. the characters in those stories are basicly only there because the need to be, but the story focusses on what happens not on anything that has anything to do with the characters themselves A story
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
coud even be written without characters in it And there are a weird few stories without any characters appearing in it at all; those stories are basicly only unengaged narratives. Mental conditioning or the act of disciplining once mind, helps you to rise above and control chemical reactions in you brain like those caused by testosteron and other hormones. Physiognomy is nothing more then discrimination, the appearance of a persons face doesn't tell you anything about a person
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
however once face along with once mannerisms, full appearance (clothing style, talking style, moving style {everyone moves in his or her own unique way, however discerning a persons unique way of movement is extremely difficult} and acting style {towards certain situations} ) and once physic does. However even then you can easily fall into a certain prejudice towards someone. And remember prejudice is always baseless and argumentless thing and should be avoided at all costs.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
you can never say with a one hundred procent certainty that this person is that, that and that because of that, that and that. Things aren't that simple, we don't live in a black and white world at all. Everything has to be look at from every angle and everything should not be taken at face value, things are always far more nuanced than they might seem to be. Even very nuanced things.
Anyway this is it for today, tomorrow I will continue with the next 15 minutes of your video.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece going in on again trying to keep it short.
First I have to try and lift your confussion about storytelling, storytelling is dependent on in which medium it is presented, you cannot expect a story told through a visual medium (television, movies, anime, manga, games etc) to have the same kind of storytelling, plot writing, characterization and development as stories written in a non-visual medium (books, articles, essays etc.). In visual media,
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
characterization is achieved through events, something happens and the character reacts on it not by thinking about it, but be dealing with it and doing something with it. To spoil one piece for you ace dies and luffy reflects upon this by wanting to die and giving up his dream of becoming pirate king, this is a form of characterization, character and plot devolpment through an event. When you talk about characterization in your video you talk like characterization only exists
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
in the form you are presenting it to us. Just so that you get me clear, nothing you say in the video about characterization is wrong, all of it is true, but only true for non visual mediums. A visual medium depends on showing you what happens while a non-visual medium depends on telling you what happens. Visual medium also has the recuirement that it must always has to be told through dialogue, which is to say through scriptwriting. I hope the realization has dawned on you
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
that consistentcy, complexion, reasoning etc. I shown by actions and events not by heavy thinking, there is no room for that in visual mediums. You cannot show a character thinking for over 5 minutes, and that is already stretching it.
To get to Luffy, luffy is an extremely complex character with a lot of psychological damage and issue. First and foremost Luffy suffers from extreme low affect (or to say it with different words he has a huge indifference towards the world,
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
inculding towards people, events, danger, history, racism etc) furthermore luffy shows some general autistic tendencies. By a person behavior you can tell his/her psychological complexity, ethical complexity and development on those fronts, however this devolpment is shown and not necessarily explictly stated, you have to get to this depth by activily and engagingly watching a show, try watching one piece again and focus on their behavior and the obvious change they go
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
becomes clear. Luffy has thanks to his very neglective upbringing, developed a huge sense of self reliance and self importence and with it came a very low affect to things and a huge indifference towards the world and it's problems. Luffy however can still tell right from wrong and good from bad, though he remains very naive, yet not as naive a chopper. His uncommen psyche makes him such a great character. Tomorrow will bring my last comments on this video.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
The rest of the video was mostly about luffy and I already explained what kind of character luffy is. And that you are seeing things completely wrong. Luffy is an amazing character and it is a sad indeed that you can't see that
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece No he is a mediocore character. Many mangas have protagonist with the same exact personality.
DJYC21215 1 month ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece I'm not gonna lie but, I never thought about all the psychological issues that Luffy had when I first looked at One Piece. The events with Sabo explain why he acts the way he does like some people above posted. It explains why he was wailing like a child and damn near suffered a mental breakdown when Kuma separated him from his crew. He finally snapped when you know who died. I took a psychology class and what you said about Luffy makes sense. good stuff
KingFojason 1 month ago
@KingFojason well I study psychology in my spare time, and I like analyzing characters anime while watching it.
LetsTalkOnePiece 4 weeks ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece Damn bro you wrote an essay on this guy's page lol
lordoYYH255 1 month ago
@lordoYYH255 I only just covered the first fifteen minutes.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece Was there really a need to bash Naruto and Bleach you could've made your points without it.
TvKing00 1 month ago
@TvKing00 well I haven't been bashing naruto and bleach here, my wording could have been a less hard but I already wrote 'those two fuckers' and didn't feel the need to change it All I wrote is that the characterization in one piece is hugely far better then it is in naruto and bleach. My wording could have been less and I say sowiemasen for that.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece He has every right to critique a series after fifty volumes of investment. By saying that he only read up to around volume fifty, he makes it clear that he doesn't critique the later chapters. That said, the job of the author is to catch the interest of the reader with the first few chapters. He also made it abundantly clear that he was talking about characterization, in which case One piece is horrible, by virtually any literary standard.
FundamentalPhysicist 1 month ago
@FundamentalPhysicist first let me start by saying my comment started out as a quick response and I admit that I was wrong for saying he jump the gun, I was the one who jumped the gun. Then secondly he has the right to do everything he wants, but not without getting critique for it. Thirdly and this point I will expand upon in my upcomming comments is the point that he is viewing one piece from a very reversed narrow standpoint.thepokekid01 makes this very clear in his
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@FundamentalPhysicist comment to hikari. As a writer you have to carefully decide what you wanna write, since oda choose to write Shonen. Shonen is written to appeal to certain group, the first chapter of a good shonen therefore must immediatly appeal to that group, which one piece does slowly, however slow doesn't equal bad, it is a slow start but a good one. Like I said in my comment one piece as a shonen only needs to have characterization for the main characters,which
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@FundamentalPhysicist it has. However it could have been done better and there should have been more of. But it isn't horrible by any literary standard and especially not by a shonen manga standard where there is a big pool of continuously reappering characters and character types.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@LetsTalkOnePiece He watched 50 volumes, how is that jumping the gun? so you think OP will have all what was missing in just a few more volumes? Even if it did it doesn't change the fact that the previous 50 volumes sucked characterization-wise
HisokaBungie 1 month ago
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@HisokaBungie let me start by saying my comment started out as a quick response and I admit that I was wrong for saying he jumped the gun, I was the one who jumped the gun.
One Piece only has a few little things missing in it, hikari is looking at it from a reversed narrow viewpoint thepokekid01 makes this very clear in his comment to hikari.
One Piece is a shonen,a shonen only needs to have characterization for the main characters,which it has. However it could have been done
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
@HisokaBungie better and there should have been more characterization for the main characters. But in now way shape or form did the charaterization suck in one piece, it only could have been done better. Yet remember most shonen anime have very little to no characterization in them and are filled with useless characters that where once set up to become important in the story.
LetsTalkOnePiece 1 month ago
Luffy don't have a backstory hmm WTF? really...
you're talking like you're so good at writing a manga
I wanna see you make your own one
SpymanTIVC 1 month ago
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SpymanTIVC 1 month ago
@uberhikari I understand your points however. Luffy did reflect on his actions but this was after you read. He always had a backstory which was shown in chapter one, then ace was forshadowed in drum had an official appearance in Alabasta, Sabo was foreshadowed too & then his whole back story was developed in an arc. some points you made were true that the "first 50 volumes" of the show had those problems, but One Piece isn't over yet so until then can these points truly hit hard.
coolbman2 1 month ago
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@piro632 Thanx brah.
z3kRL 1 month ago
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z3kRL 1 month ago
just b/c oda said he doesn't want luffy to think doesnt mean its a good decision people. there are such things as bad decisions.
1stnaruto 1 month ago
@1stnaruto It wasn't a good decision. It also wasn't a bad one.
piro632 1 month ago
@piro632 it leans more towards bad than good. there is the saying act now, think later but with luffy is act now, never think..... i dont remember luffy ever thinking to himself in the manga but only having that damn blank stare he always has then all he has to say is," im gonna beat him up" or something like that. luffy says that he doesn't want to be a hero which is complete bullshit b/c what he does makes him a hero which makes him flawed b/c he isn't thinking. he's technically a retard.
1stnaruto 1 month ago
@1stnaruto Luffy doesn't want to be a hero. And for the most part he's never been praised for it. The government gave credit to Smoker for saving Alabasta. And he thought The citizens of skypeia were gonna shoot him with a cannon, so he thought he was being cool by "Stealing" some Gold from Them. He's gained a lot of Infamy though.
He's had his moment though where he's actually been logical. Examples:Like the Fight he had with Vivi in Alabasta, or how he didn't fight against Bellamy in the Bar
piro632 1 month ago
Oda really needs to step it up in developing Luffy, is already half of the manga and Luffy's development should ha e been on a higher point by now, yes is true that he reflected upon Ace's dead and how he needed to become stronger to protect his nakama but that is really not enough. Luffy has to think moré about whats going on in his world, he needs to think outside the his box.
Rojikkuman 1 month ago
I'm a one piece fan and I agree. If no human is perfect then every story has flaws
Vizardsavior 1 month ago
death note till this day was just brilliant in my view story writing component specifically the way light turned out at the end.
somal1pirate 1 month ago
Agree with everything you said. One Piece is definitely enjoyable and levels above the other big 3 manga, but it still lacks the quality of other shonens...or mangas in general.
Looking forward to watching more of these videos!
PS: Imagine how long this video would've been if this were a Bleach-related video.
HisokaBungie 1 month ago
@uberhikari You should also take a look at series like, Shamo, Akumetsu, Parasyte, and Magi.
z3kRL 1 month ago
HOLY SHIT 1 HOUR MAN THIS IS Y I LOVE YA
613Gamer 1 month ago
I still love one piece but u made a lot of interesting points. And u sound incredibly smart.>.<
Dantethedemon16 1 month ago
yes it definitely is! :)
kb101ist 1 month ago
nope
MrTweedlerdslol 1 month ago
so i can watch 30min vids maybe 40 if i am really into it but fuck one hour come on!
MrTweedlerdslol 1 month ago
@UwanahSasuke100 Luffy saw a guy die when he was 7. as Shanks said this isn't childs play. Luffy was prepared for death. Luffy did mature a great deal over the series, for example less imitations and songs. deciding to train for 2 yrs so he won't lose his nakama. timeskip Luffy has been far more serious during fight scenes. Luffy has greatly matured but maturing does change the root of the character.
Zern227 1 month ago
I understand that oda is not the best writer, but I think its too harsh to say that he is mediocre he is at least an average mangaka. you have to understand that to those of us who have not taken graduate level English classes Luffy is a great character.
Luffys back story starts volume 59 so um you should read some more volumes... I think you would love marineford, and fishman island is mostly about slavery; so please continue reading more one piece.
TheKuinshi 1 month ago
@TheMarmboy I actually use data collected by various polls, research studies, ect. you should call it by a character it did not originate from we don't name scientific terms based on those who its most commonly refered to. sorry for spelling and grammare been awake for 23hrs
Zern227 1 month ago
hmm I suppose so, but tbh I don't want luffy being too mature half way through the series, OP would be more boring and unpredictable and too serious way too early. I'm not trying to say oda id the best writer ever or that he a GREAT manga writer, all im trying to say is that considering that we're only half way through the series, oda has handled the job of writing OP very well and doesn't deserve to be called mediocre. OP is good but it's the great, well it isn't so far anyway!
kb101ist 1 month ago
@kb101ist and that's your opinion and i can respect it. but oda has his flaws and fanboys ( not you ) tend to ignore it.
TheMarmboy 1 month ago
@TheMarmboy Luffy is more likable when did this turn to better. Luffy appeals to a broader ranch of people than a serios one. btw goku wasn't the first to have this type of personality. LOL uneducated people.
Zern227 1 month ago
@Zern227 "Uneducated" is what you call someone. I never stated Goku was the first person with this personality but he is the most popular character who have this typical shonen trait. How does luffy appeal to a broader ranch ?? you have tons of characters who are relatable and appeal to a much larger rate luffy isn't relatable or complex he is as simple as it gets. which overall don't or shouldn't appeal to a "broader ranch" of people. just because a character is simple doesnt means he
TheMarmboy 1 month ago
@Zern227" likeable "
TheMarmboy 1 month ago