2:48 and 2:57 are just awesome! sure, it's kumite championship style. focus on speed, not power. i think, sometimes the refs should not give away wasaris too easy. power would be more important then.
what the people don't understand is that the competition is only a part of the Karate. Many strikes is not avaible in a sport fight, like a hiza geri (knee), Enpi (elbows) or kicks to the legs (gedan). Karate is not a Sport, can be praticed like a Sport, but the trully Karate is praticed as a Martial Art with self defense objective.
People say that shotokan is non contact but I can tell you we have always done some pretty rough dojo sparring. I have seen many go for stitches and casts for broken bones over the years. I doubt that most shotokan competitors would be intimidated by Kyokushin fighters or anyone else for that matter.
It doesn't matter if there's no contact allowed by the rules! contacts always happens on the tournaments! There's always broken noses and ribs! once i saw a guy that broke his spine when he was sweeped really bad!
I don't see kyokushin fighters beeing fast like this watch?v=LnX0Kzbc0lc.
I train with weights, run, train WKF karate but boy It's been long since I was thinking the big dude wins, lol and here is a "big dude" with muscles speaking, power comes from speed, proper alignment of your body and also muscles.
under kyokushin rules I would destroy him...i don't train kyokushin for long time so I don't have much expirience but I am shure that a junior shotokan fighter (15-18) would be beaten by my hands and legs
@Pakleni1 Look man they don't kill no one... I train also Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (ground fighting), and that can kill much easier and with less effort very fast, karatekas included.
That beeing said I've checked Lechi Kurbanov and he's slow, compare it to this video... He had few faster kicks but that's it, the moves are easy to see and defend from them. Also you can see kyokushin fights are like from 50cm, shotokan are kicks and punches from 2 meters sometime and that my boy is FAST.
@FlyyGabriel ok look now...in shotokan karate is no contact karate....kyokushin full contact karate...if you stay on 1 meter distance you ca neasy be knock out....so some of kyokushin fighters fight on 50 cm distance ... and still knock out with powerful kicks....you can't compare shotokan and kyokushin fighting becouse in shotokan there is no contact...they are not accustomed to pain...it is easy tofight in shotokan on 2 meters distance when you can't be knock out....
@Pakleni1 Well one guy in my gym just got his nose broken in a kumite fight and he'll be out for weeks. There is contact like in all styles, is just kyokusin that lots of random punches in the stomach from close distance so you can say kyokusin is more accostumed to pain but shotokan has the same ammount of contacts like other styles.
From videos looks like kyokusin is all about getting accustomed to be hit in the upper body.
@FlyyGabriel If you break nose to your opponent in shotokan kumite you are disqualified,is it true? Shotokan is dancing becouse I see two grasshoppers wich can't punch each other , their guard is funny and do you think that all of those kick would knock out opponent?
@Pakleni1 that's only because you have to display control, lack of control show bad technique which is worth nothing, if a good karate-ka did not control jodan yakazuki or kicked as hard as they could it would certainly break bones and cause internal hemorrhaging, don't suppose you really know too much about that. and our guard is funny??? we at least do controlled strikes to the head (not just kicks) kyokushin looks like people who can't decide whether they want to do karate or play belly tag
@FlyyGabriel fuck it shotokan is no contact karate kyokushin is full contact karate if shotokan is full contact karate most probably more effective than kyokushin
@9362150487 Hey, your dojo, your rules. Personally, I want to know what it feels like to get hit so that if I ever have to defend myself on the street, I am better prepared.
@deosullivan3 actually to be honest i got in a fight in my school we sparred and i did my shotokan style it is actually effective but in a fight you wont feel any pain maybe you might feel but less painful because your body is active my enemy punched me so many times in the body i felt force but not pain in a fight and after the fight but my balls hurt because he kicked me in the nuts which is a fucking gay thing to do
@Pakleni1 By the way you still did not reply to me about the dancing thing you were saying, maybe you understood something ;) Go tell Bruce Lee (one that was really convinced) and Boxers to stop moving their feet lol.
@FlyyGabriel there is no enough power?.In kyokushin your point is to destroy your opponent.There are injuries like broken ribs,broken legs,you tell that there is no power in kyokushin leg kicks?you think that kyokushin fighters can't make distance and make a strong kick?
@Pakleni1 And by the way, is very easy to sit there and kick like nonsense but it's much harder to punch and go out of your oppopents reach so you don't get punched too.
In kyokushin I see one gives 7 punches than stops and it's the other's turn to hit....what's the point of it? Wins who can take the more hits? Not a fight style I like.
@FlyyGabriel guy from my club has broken a leg to his opponent after that he knocked him out with heel in the jaw...(still no power) do you ever watch kyokushin KOs?well you should then you would know what is it all about...
@Pakleni1 I should add...in a 50cm distance there can be no strong kick because you don't have space to move your leg with a full body movement (full power), that means you'll give a small kick that get's stopped because there's no distance.
My point is Kyokushin is static fighting, no understanding of keeping the distance when you strike and no feet movement, with no feet movement punches are less powerfull than if it had good feet movement because it's the base of your hits.
@FlyyGabriel If you see a fighter with great leg tahnique you will offcourse that you will fight in 50 cm...One of the most important things in kyokushin is circular movement,but you cant expect all fighters can move like Mouhamed Ali...In kyokushin you have only 2 min to show what you can do...in boxing 12 rounds.watch this videoswatch?v=bEkgqAO7tl8 you think they are slow? watch?v=N-VrlC9E-RU watch this watch low kicks knockouts no power in 50 cm?????wtf????
@Pakleni1 LOL I love how kyokushin people want to try to talk crap about shotokan all the time, when we all know it's simply because you guys are insecure about how much better it is, I mean no disrespect but I mean really, do you know how old it gets to be watching a shotokan video and then scroll down and see something about how someone thinks kyokushin is better? You know stepping in with us youd get swept and hit in the head and that'd be it for ya...
@FlyyGabriel watch Lechi Kurbanov,Andy Hug...why do you think kyokushin guys cant punch fast or kick fast?watch fights more careful...shotokan is all about speed and technique and kyokushin that + strenghth...you think that kyokushin fighters can't do all moves that shotokan fighters can?and you cant expect from a heavyweight man to be quick....or whatever...
i am just starting in the art of karate and watching more experienced students preform was truly amazing! many congratulations to you and your sensei!!!
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Good stuff, Maybe some day we can have an ISKF and SKIF tournament, since we have been working together for a while now. Do you train with sensei Miura? If so, love the guy hope he comes back to master camp next year.
wow, great display, from both Karateka. Who is Sandro Pignata in this clip? And the other gentlman? They both look solid in footwork too! I'm messaging from Alaska-usa so I am in-the-dark as to who they are. peace.
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Pluummm 1 month ago
2:48 and 2:57 are just awesome! sure, it's kumite championship style. focus on speed, not power. i think, sometimes the refs should not give away wasaris too easy. power would be more important then.
enzokarotti 2 months ago
SHOTOKAN THE BEST
MrShaishai123 5 months ago 3
I DONT LIKE THIS FORM OF KARATE, SPORT KARATE , I LIKE THE OLD STYLE HARD AND NO GLOVES
jav2512 6 months ago 2
@jav2512 me too. but still no reason to use big "shout" letters.
enzokarotti 2 months ago
kuokushin karate is the best
Chia16kou 6 months ago
in the past self-control was,but now its gonne.
dainiuksss 9 months ago
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name is that song is iko iko - capitain jack ;-)
MsManemane 1 year ago
name is that song is iko iko - capitain jac ;-)
MsManemane 1 year ago
@MsManemane thanx :D
namelesssnitchy 1 year ago
they are both good! :P
namelesssnitchy 1 year ago
name of the song ? pls (A)
namelesssnitchy 1 year ago
Shotkan is good for competitions, but not for self defence. Great style though. Kyokushin! xD
Jaxmetallicabfmvgnr 1 year ago
@Jaxmetallicabfmvgnr it all depends on how you train. buddy. and who you train with.
nikulind 11 months ago
yes shotokan is good for self-defense :)
pipapaquicrafo 10 months ago
la musica es un asco pero el video esta bueno!!!!!!
Borisman1000 1 year ago
Ahhh.... I love shotokan karate :)
bazzylek 1 year ago
Qualcuno sà il nome della canzone?
Name of the song?
SMaverick1986 1 year ago
jesus dude, the music was so inappropriate!
devilgyoza 1 year ago 15
what did you expect? "you're the best" from karate kid???
lemeat2007 7 months ago
what the people don't understand is that the competition is only a part of the Karate. Many strikes is not avaible in a sport fight, like a hiza geri (knee), Enpi (elbows) or kicks to the legs (gedan). Karate is not a Sport, can be praticed like a Sport, but the trully Karate is praticed as a Martial Art with self defense objective.
metalfroggo 1 year ago
People say that shotokan is non contact but I can tell you we have always done some pretty rough dojo sparring. I have seen many go for stitches and casts for broken bones over the years. I doubt that most shotokan competitors would be intimidated by Kyokushin fighters or anyone else for that matter.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 WHAT'S WRONG GUYS - DOES THIS VIDEO LOOKS LIKE NO CONTACT TO YOU??? SO THE PROTECTORS ARE WEARED FOR?????
pawel86able 1 year ago
@pawel86able These are very tough competitors and this is applicable to both competition and street combat.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
nice vid
erik10fg 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel is right. He knows what a real figt means.
bogdanpst 1 year ago
It doesn't matter if there's no contact allowed by the rules! contacts always happens on the tournaments! There's always broken noses and ribs! once i saw a guy that broke his spine when he was sweeped really bad!
croat4ever2 1 year ago
come on, this is gay!
jobowtackmasterx 1 year ago
And you said this is dancing...
If someone didn't understood that you do that small jumps in order to be MUCH faster, less coreographic and also in better stance when you hit.
A MOVIG target is much harder to hit than somone that stays there and stands....
BOXERS also have their feet movement done right...they're dancing? I don't think so.
FlyyGabriel 1 year ago
I don't see kyokushin fighters beeing fast like this watch?v=LnX0Kzbc0lc.
I train with weights, run, train WKF karate but boy It's been long since I was thinking the big dude wins, lol and here is a "big dude" with muscles speaking, power comes from speed, proper alignment of your body and also muscles.
FlyyGabriel 1 year ago
NUNCA FALTA UN IMBECIL...
pit2308 1 year ago
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Kyokushin is karate this is dancing... :D
Pakleni1 2 years ago
@Pakleni1 then go ahead fight a shotokan guy and post your video lets see how badd ass u are
icedstar 1 year ago
under kyokushin rules I would destroy him...i don't train kyokushin for long time so I don't have much expirience but I am shure that a junior shotokan fighter (15-18) would be beaten by my hands and legs
Pakleni1 1 year ago
@Pakleni1 Before you speak, know your limits and knowledge.
You call this watch?v=drHe8sRzVuM a fight?
Kyokushin are slow dudes punching at 2cm from each other.
In a street wins the fastest one that knocks you down, not a slow dude.
FlyyGabriel 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel now you are speaking stupid things..........
kyokushin slow dudes?how many ughts did you watch?
wich fighters did you watch?
you watched fight quest....wtf...these kyokushin guys could kill them here...
Pakleni1 1 year ago
@Pakleni1 Look man they don't kill no one... I train also Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (ground fighting), and that can kill much easier and with less effort very fast, karatekas included.
That beeing said I've checked Lechi Kurbanov and he's slow, compare it to this video... He had few faster kicks but that's it, the moves are easy to see and defend from them. Also you can see kyokushin fights are like from 50cm, shotokan are kicks and punches from 2 meters sometime and that my boy is FAST.
FlyyGabriel 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel ok look now...in shotokan karate is no contact karate....kyokushin full contact karate...if you stay on 1 meter distance you ca neasy be knock out....so some of kyokushin fighters fight on 50 cm distance ... and still knock out with powerful kicks....you can't compare shotokan and kyokushin fighting becouse in shotokan there is no contact...they are not accustomed to pain...it is easy tofight in shotokan on 2 meters distance when you can't be knock out....
Pakleni1 1 year ago
@Pakleni1 Well one guy in my gym just got his nose broken in a kumite fight and he'll be out for weeks. There is contact like in all styles, is just kyokusin that lots of random punches in the stomach from close distance so you can say kyokusin is more accostumed to pain but shotokan has the same ammount of contacts like other styles.
From videos looks like kyokusin is all about getting accustomed to be hit in the upper body.
FlyyGabriel 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel If you break nose to your opponent in shotokan kumite you are disqualified,is it true? Shotokan is dancing becouse I see two grasshoppers wich can't punch each other , their guard is funny and do you think that all of those kick would knock out opponent?
Pakleni1 1 year ago
@Pakleni1 that's only because you have to display control, lack of control show bad technique which is worth nothing, if a good karate-ka did not control jodan yakazuki or kicked as hard as they could it would certainly break bones and cause internal hemorrhaging, don't suppose you really know too much about that. and our guard is funny??? we at least do controlled strikes to the head (not just kicks) kyokushin looks like people who can't decide whether they want to do karate or play belly tag
jcbamm26 1 year ago
@jcbamm26 LMAO! belly tag!? hahahaha so true
FLCL4EVER1 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel انا لعب كراتية من العراق
lyo19901 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel fuck it shotokan is no contact karate kyokushin is full contact karate if shotokan is full contact karate most probably more effective than kyokushin
9362150487 1 year ago
@9362150487 Let me tell you: in my Shotokan dojo, I have left with bruises, cuts, and sprains galore.
No contact, eh? Come to my dojo and spar. Let's see what "no contact" looks like on you the next day.
Remember: that which does not kill us makes us stronger.
deosullivan3 1 year ago
@deosullivan3 dude im a shotokan fighter as well and in my dojo there is no contact
9362150487 1 year ago
@9362150487 Hey, your dojo, your rules. Personally, I want to know what it feels like to get hit so that if I ever have to defend myself on the street, I am better prepared.
deosullivan3 1 year ago
@deosullivan3 actually to be honest i got in a fight in my school we sparred and i did my shotokan style it is actually effective but in a fight you wont feel any pain maybe you might feel but less painful because your body is active my enemy punched me so many times in the body i felt force but not pain in a fight and after the fight but my balls hurt because he kicked me in the nuts which is a fucking gay thing to do
9362150487 1 year ago
@9362150487 i think shotokan is most dangerus if u figth real
sry but i havent see kyukushin(only a wheelkick) so i dont know...
and yes shotokan is a no-contact style but u dont need full contact to lay ur enemy down...
im f*cking bad to eng sryXD
imsoren12321 1 year ago
@Pakleni1 By the way you still did not reply to me about the dancing thing you were saying, maybe you understood something ;) Go tell Bruce Lee (one that was really convinced) and Boxers to stop moving their feet lol.
Ali was a good "dancer" too...
FlyyGabriel 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel there is no enough power?.In kyokushin your point is to destroy your opponent.There are injuries like broken ribs,broken legs,you tell that there is no power in kyokushin leg kicks?you think that kyokushin fighters can't make distance and make a strong kick?
Pakleni1 1 year ago
@Pakleni1 And by the way, is very easy to sit there and kick like nonsense but it's much harder to punch and go out of your oppopents reach so you don't get punched too.
In kyokushin I see one gives 7 punches than stops and it's the other's turn to hit....what's the point of it? Wins who can take the more hits? Not a fight style I like.
FlyyGabriel 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel guy from my club has broken a leg to his opponent after that he knocked him out with heel in the jaw...(still no power) do you ever watch kyokushin KOs?well you should then you would know what is it all about...
Pakleni1 1 year ago
@Pakleni1 I should add...in a 50cm distance there can be no strong kick because you don't have space to move your leg with a full body movement (full power), that means you'll give a small kick that get's stopped because there's no distance.
My point is Kyokushin is static fighting, no understanding of keeping the distance when you strike and no feet movement, with no feet movement punches are less powerfull than if it had good feet movement because it's the base of your hits.
FlyyGabriel 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel If you see a fighter with great leg tahnique you will offcourse that you will fight in 50 cm...One of the most important things in kyokushin is circular movement,but you cant expect all fighters can move like Mouhamed Ali...In kyokushin you have only 2 min to show what you can do...in boxing 12 rounds.watch this videoswatch?v=bEkgqAO7tl8 you think they are slow? watch?v=N-VrlC9E-RU watch this watch low kicks knockouts no power in 50 cm?????wtf????
Pakleni1 1 year ago
@Pakleni1 LOL I love how kyokushin people want to try to talk crap about shotokan all the time, when we all know it's simply because you guys are insecure about how much better it is, I mean no disrespect but I mean really, do you know how old it gets to be watching a shotokan video and then scroll down and see something about how someone thinks kyokushin is better? You know stepping in with us youd get swept and hit in the head and that'd be it for ya...
jcbamm26 1 year ago
@FlyyGabriel watch Lechi Kurbanov,Andy Hug...why do you think kyokushin guys cant punch fast or kick fast?watch fights more careful...shotokan is all about speed and technique and kyokushin that + strenghth...you think that kyokushin fighters can't do all moves that shotokan fighters can?and you cant expect from a heavyweight man to be quick....or whatever...
Pakleni1 1 year ago
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@Pakleni1 fuck you you think you can beat a shotokan fighter fight me and you will see who are you messing with you son of a bitch
9362150487 1 year ago
lol you guys are brilliant. you give me a reason for sparring. GREAT<GREAT<
Sensei Mark Corner 4th Dan Budokan Karate
MrCroc38 2 years ago
I saw everithing, i was in this championship! Brazilian Karateca, 1º Kumite and 3º kata!
moraesleite 2 years ago
video's sped up, though
azotevaginal 2 years ago 2
Never seen a fast Karateka?
At some parts the vid is even slowed down.
enzokarotti 2 years ago
seen fast karatekas, never fast crowds moving in the background
azotevaginal 2 years ago
no its not. look at the people in the background. they're still moving at normal speed.
theusninja 2 years ago
is full power allowed
spartan0467 2 years ago
i am just starting in the art of karate and watching more experienced students preform was truly amazing! many congratulations to you and your sensei!!!
krzydemonkitty 3 years ago
posso sapere la differenza che c'è tra questa federazione e la fijlkam?
albesor 3 years ago
Come poteva perdere il nostro sommo maestro! (Phenix lecchino :-) )
Alex10xsempre 3 years ago
Non ne resta in piedi neanche uno!E che c'era l'olio su quel tatami!!!Complimenti Sandro
metalore87 3 years ago
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enricostella 3 years ago
Good stuff, Maybe some day we can have an ISKF and SKIF tournament, since we have been working together for a while now. Do you train with sensei Miura? If so, love the guy hope he comes back to master camp next year.
osu!
chevytruckjoe 3 years ago
Yes we all do, M° Miura is also my the sensei of my sensei. I trained with Miura some times
Distractivcom 3 years ago
Grande Sandro! Fiero di essere un tuo allievo! ;-)
PhenixITA 4 years ago
August 29, 2008
wow, great display, from both Karateka. Who is Sandro Pignata in this clip? And the other gentlman? They both look solid in footwork too! I'm messaging from Alaska-usa so I am in-the-dark as to who they are. peace.
thecrowrains 3 years ago
Bravo Sandro
03498601047 4 years ago
This was a good fight... they both were equally good, espciality when the match was heating up.
ikaricrime 4 years ago