In the future people will laugh when they read about us who live now, laugh at the fact that millions of people still believed ancient fairy-tales about "after-lives" and "invisible men in the sky", even though we had all this science and knowledge available.: )
Habermas is conveniently ignoring the rest of the world (China, Australia, Africa, the Americas...) and their deities, who also returned from the dead, were not born from natural places, etc. etc....
@bersa888 ...AND, he first says that "he doesn't assume" that the Bible should be considered a reliable text. He then proceeds in basing his entire argument on the veracity of the Sacred Scriptures themselves... in the book of the intellectually honest debaters, that is the equivalent of cheating, throwing smoke around, nay, of lying to people.
Why Would Anyone Go Through The Mental Gymnastics Required To Rationalize Christianity or any religion ? Supernatural is superstition.How could anything be supernatural in a natural world? faith under fire have provided not a single shred of evidence other than a STORY.
total b.s. there is no evidence of any roman, christian, or jewish text of jesus in real time. or description of any god like characteristic. the gnostics pre-date jesus and were tied to greek mythology, they worshiped a jesus that was a god of mysticism. there are texts that show a sect broke off creating the "literal" jesus long after the fact.
greeks and egyptians pre-date christianity. funny how the 1st bible never even mentions jesus. now how is that even possible?
The real fairy tale is to say there is no God there just randomly by in all reality no chance at all that everything fell into place all the order and design ect came about by accident and that everything comes from absolute nothing. Use should buy the book God doesn't believe in atheists. Very interesting lol
@rfvidz Which fairy tails do atheists believe? Atheists are defined as people who do not believe in a deity, though not necessarily those that believe in the lack of a deity.
Ausar/Osiris did resurrect. He was killed by Seth by which his body was cut up in many different pieces. His wife Asset/Isis put his body back together so she can become pregnant by him & have an immaculate conception to their son Heru/Horus. Osiris then had a spiritual resurrection and became deity of the underworld. The concept of the resurrection is a spiritual one not a physical one. The dead body can't get back up and walk around like a zombie. ITS ALL SPIRITUAL!
the way i see it is that the bible is real for a book to still have a huge impact in this world today its not fake i doubt that couple of guys said hey lets make a book with all the answers and full people eh uh no failed the bible is the truth its the word of god
The only reason there is still a debate about the resurrection is the number of believers that contibutes tons of donation to the faith. Come on!!! An eyewitness saying a dead man lives? There is something wrong in that testimony and this guy wants us to believe him. Good luck in proving the world is flat too.
(See below) So it's HARDLY an airtight case that all of the apostles except for John died for their beliefs in Christ. If, knowing this, you continue to perpetuate this myth as a Christian, you are lying. Is it okay to lie as long as the objective is to support the story of Jesus?
This from a Christian apologetics site: "For information concerning of the persecution and execution of the other apostles (than James), one must turn to Christian historians. The most important of these is Eusebius. Eusebius was bishop of Caesarea in the early 300's AD. There is no reason to assume that Eusebius made up his accounts, but because he wrote over two hundred years after the events, one would do well to be cautious in assuming that we know without question how these disciples died."
This is as surreal as debating whether or not Poseidon harassed Odysseus for 16 years after the Trojan war. Matthew 27:52 claims that many dead people arose out of tombs in Jerusalem, yet none of the other gospels say this point, which you think would be important ~)
@schermination Uh, yeah, it's not important even though the Gospel writers were aware it was written in at least the book of Matthew. You're too fast for us.
@schermination lol, how can we believe anything in the new testament since we know that it was edited by Constantine. at Nycene? Before Nycene, the early Christians had many more scriptures. Constantine realized that true Christianity was pure communism and would destroy the Roman economy.so he killed off most of the elders, alot of the followers and then set about editing the new testament.to preclude anti-roman entries. He didn't do this for Christ, he did it for ROME!
OMG, if someone wrote it ~2000 years ago on a holy book, ITS MUST BE TRUE
and clearly people in that time were too smart to be fooled by a cheap trick of deception by miss information. After all, if more then one people came and said they spoke to an anger, it must be true, Regardless of how few (0) of these happen in our era
@davelantor Actually yea they were pretty smart back then. Sewer systems, Astrology, Historians, Organized military. But what the hell do i know? I never made or did any of these things.
@Onetruthrgv Can those historians also confirm that people actually believed that witches existed ? .. makes you wonder about how easy it is to fool people..
@davelantor Your joking right? You do know witches are real right? As an apologist in the occult field I have talked to many. Do a Google search, I think they even have a dating site for witches and warlocks too.
@davelantor Honestly man we have 12 historians who can confirm that what is written in those books are true and accurate. (NON Christian sources) PM If you wish to learn more.
what a load of bullshit, this Gary guy is full of shit ... we dont know if the disciples died, we dont know they even lived. What we know is that there is a story about it ... thats all.
@givingmantoo Could you, perhaps, give an argument for why most historians and new testament scholars are incorrect? Or are you just here to throw around some empty and boring statements.
@rfvidz shallow brained atheists? yours is the religion which says if you dont believe in it u will be tortured forever. doesnt leave much room for using your brain.
@911BeganTheEndOfGod Going to hell is the consequences of not believing in Christ. If I told you to not jump over a hill lest you fall to your death does that make me irrational? I know it's hard for you, but try to think for a change.
They''ll give anyone a doctorate nowadays.
HellspawnICX 3 weeks ago
Myth's, why are we still debating myth's??, never any evidence.. how about Bigfoot, the Lochness monster, Atlantis..
karlbuttler 1 month ago
In the future people will laugh when they read about us who live now, laugh at the fact that millions of people still believed ancient fairy-tales about "after-lives" and "invisible men in the sky", even though we had all this science and knowledge available.: )
winterstellar 1 month ago 2
The strongest "evidence" from Habermas is absolutely non-existent and offensive in its dishonesty - that is, unless your are religious ;-)
bersa888 1 month ago
Habermas is conveniently ignoring the rest of the world (China, Australia, Africa, the Americas...) and their deities, who also returned from the dead, were not born from natural places, etc. etc....
bersa888 1 month ago
@bersa888 ...AND, he first says that "he doesn't assume" that the Bible should be considered a reliable text. He then proceeds in basing his entire argument on the veracity of the Sacred Scriptures themselves... in the book of the intellectually honest debaters, that is the equivalent of cheating, throwing smoke around, nay, of lying to people.
bersa888 1 month ago
Where is the Christian getting his information?
SephieRothe 1 month ago
where was jesus born? nazareth or bethlehem?
48mmwatch 1 month ago
Why Would Anyone Go Through The Mental Gymnastics Required To Rationalize Christianity or any religion ? Supernatural is superstition.How could anything be supernatural in a natural world? faith under fire have provided not a single shred of evidence other than a STORY.
heathsawyer 2 months ago 2
Gary Habermas obviously won this debate.
haboob00 4 months ago
Thats not much of a sacrifice if you come back from the dead lol
wachnathan 5 months ago
total b.s. there is no evidence of any roman, christian, or jewish text of jesus in real time. or description of any god like characteristic. the gnostics pre-date jesus and were tied to greek mythology, they worshiped a jesus that was a god of mysticism. there are texts that show a sect broke off creating the "literal" jesus long after the fact.
greeks and egyptians pre-date christianity. funny how the 1st bible never even mentions jesus. now how is that even possible?
tomitstube 5 months ago
I suggest to look after Zalmoxis, the good of the thracic-dacians.
Azmodan3000 5 months ago
Tim Callahan got put in his place for making unfounded statements. Gary Habermas knows his stuff.
MrProfTeach 5 months ago
@70michaelcox Is it because he's a quack who thinks Jesus and the Apostle Paul didn't exist?
rfvidz 5 months ago
@rfvidz, hmmm...
DeconversionCentral 3 months ago
The real fairy tale is to say there is no God there just randomly by in all reality no chance at all that everything fell into place all the order and design ect came about by accident and that everything comes from absolute nothing. Use should buy the book God doesn't believe in atheists. Very interesting lol
mamainmancj 6 months ago
so sad dat these ridiculous fairytales r discussed on national televisions,quite a shame on humanity
thescorpionking2020 7 months ago
@thescorpionking2020 Well, Christians are always open to the fairy tale world of atheists. Don't be so mean to them.
rfvidz 7 months ago
@rfvidz Which fairy tails do atheists believe? Atheists are defined as people who do not believe in a deity, though not necessarily those that believe in the lack of a deity.
SephieRothe 1 month ago
@rfvidz Lol this is comical, all religions are laughable. Fairy tale world of atheists? What an idiot, not everyone is as gullible as you.
itchygonads 1 month ago 2
Ausar/Osiris did resurrect. He was killed by Seth by which his body was cut up in many different pieces. His wife Asset/Isis put his body back together so she can become pregnant by him & have an immaculate conception to their son Heru/Horus. Osiris then had a spiritual resurrection and became deity of the underworld. The concept of the resurrection is a spiritual one not a physical one. The dead body can't get back up and walk around like a zombie. ITS ALL SPIRITUAL!
HeruTutankhamun 7 months ago
Tim Callahan is a nice guy. But I disagree with him...definitely.
double91trouble 7 months ago
Paul was known as saul of tarsus..Paul used to kill thousand and thousands of the followers of Jesus...Study history PPL!!!
855842 7 months ago
the way i see it is that the bible is real for a book to still have a huge impact in this world today its not fake i doubt that couple of guys said hey lets make a book with all the answers and full people eh uh no failed the bible is the truth its the word of god
MrSpacecowboy1 9 months ago
The only reason there is still a debate about the resurrection is the number of believers that contibutes tons of donation to the faith. Come on!!! An eyewitness saying a dead man lives? There is something wrong in that testimony and this guy wants us to believe him. Good luck in proving the world is flat too.
Normz111 10 months ago
(See below) So it's HARDLY an airtight case that all of the apostles except for John died for their beliefs in Christ. If, knowing this, you continue to perpetuate this myth as a Christian, you are lying. Is it okay to lie as long as the objective is to support the story of Jesus?
richsuga 10 months ago
This from a Christian apologetics site: "For information concerning of the persecution and execution of the other apostles (than James), one must turn to Christian historians. The most important of these is Eusebius. Eusebius was bishop of Caesarea in the early 300's AD. There is no reason to assume that Eusebius made up his accounts, but because he wrote over two hundred years after the events, one would do well to be cautious in assuming that we know without question how these disciples died."
richsuga 10 months ago
This is as surreal as debating whether or not Poseidon harassed Odysseus for 16 years after the Trojan war. Matthew 27:52 claims that many dead people arose out of tombs in Jerusalem, yet none of the other gospels say this point, which you think would be important ~)
schermination 11 months ago
@schermination Uh, yeah, it's not important even though the Gospel writers were aware it was written in at least the book of Matthew. You're too fast for us.
rfvidz 11 months ago
@rfvidz Question? Who were the Gospel writers? Be careful it's not who you think.
graymatter247 8 months ago
@schermination lol, how can we believe anything in the new testament since we know that it was edited by Constantine. at Nycene? Before Nycene, the early Christians had many more scriptures. Constantine realized that true Christianity was pure communism and would destroy the Roman economy.so he killed off most of the elders, alot of the followers and then set about editing the new testament.to preclude anti-roman entries. He didn't do this for Christ, he did it for ROME!
ReligionlessFAITH 10 months ago
@ReligionlessFAITH It isn't a good idea to use Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code as historical investigation.
rfvidz 10 months ago
Good stuff Jesus is Lord and he is Risen
Taurion4467 11 months ago
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OMG, if someone wrote it ~2000 years ago on a holy book, ITS MUST BE TRUE
and clearly people in that time were too smart to be fooled by a cheap trick of deception by miss information. After all, if more then one people came and said they spoke to an anger, it must be true, Regardless of how few (0) of these happen in our era
davelantor 11 months ago
@davelantor Actually yea they were pretty smart back then. Sewer systems, Astrology, Historians, Organized military. But what the hell do i know? I never made or did any of these things.
Onetruthrgv 11 months ago
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@Onetruthrgv Can those historians also confirm that people actually believed that witches existed ? .. makes you wonder about how easy it is to fool people..
but i guess you dont wonder about that.
davelantor 11 months ago
@davelantor Your joking right? You do know witches are real right? As an apologist in the occult field I have talked to many. Do a Google search, I think they even have a dating site for witches and warlocks too.
Onetruthrgv 11 months ago
@davelantor Honestly man we have 12 historians who can confirm that what is written in those books are true and accurate. (NON Christian sources) PM If you wish to learn more.
Onetruthrgv 11 months ago
Also, why did they pair up an uncharismatic magazine editor with a scholar? Callahan is way out of his league, not to mention a bore to listen to.
jerryteps 11 months ago
I wouldn't say that the stories are copies of each other, but there are clearly motifs that influence them.
jerryteps 11 months ago
what a load of bullshit, this Gary guy is full of shit ... we dont know if the disciples died, we dont know they even lived. What we know is that there is a story about it ... thats all.
givingmantoo 11 months ago
@givingmantoo Who let you out?
bluefish704 11 months ago 2
@givingmantoo Could you, perhaps, give an argument for why most historians and new testament scholars are incorrect? Or are you just here to throw around some empty and boring statements.
leidenhag 11 months ago
@givingmantoo *SIGH* Look up the video "The Christ Myth Refuted" in my channel. You've been duped by completely idiotic and shallow-brained atheists.
rfvidz 11 months ago
@rfvidz Of course you cannot prove the ressurection happened but it is agreed upon by most people that jesus existed
MamaMario13 10 months ago
@rfvidz shallow brained atheists? yours is the religion which says if you dont believe in it u will be tortured forever. doesnt leave much room for using your brain.
911BeganTheEndOfGod 9 months ago
@911BeganTheEndOfGod Going to hell is the consequences of not believing in Christ. If I told you to not jump over a hill lest you fall to your death does that make me irrational? I know it's hard for you, but try to think for a change.
rfvidz 9 months ago
Can you prove the "hill" exists, and that the hill that Muslims believe in doesn't?
UseYerEFFINBrain 9 months ago