To get a rebuttal, see: "Stand on the King James Bible - Re: Ask Pastor Jack Schaap" video. Additionally, there is a REASON we stand on the KJV. The main reason is that it is drawn from the Textus Receptus (the Accepted Text) that was verified in 1611. This text is what we believe is preserved. FROM this we get the KJV. Most other versions are actually from DIFFERENT GREEK, HEBREW, ARAMAIC, etc. But, regardless of how we feel about the English.. does it NEED to be changed? No. Leave it alone
man didnt write the bible, many men and women wrote many pages about an ever changing religious movement over time, that bishop arenaus with constantine, after much mass murder, got together( 1st and 2nd council of nicea) to decide how to whole sale a book you now buy at walmart, enroute from a secret stop at the porn shop in your SUV, to go home, say "bitch, where's my dinner", sit down to a football game like the bovine american you are, bovine, entitled, white and complacent.
Why do people in the USA refer to the Authorised Version or 1611 bible as the "King James" bible without saying WHICH King James they're talking about? There were 7 of them in Scotland, of whom 2 were also kings of England. There were many other kings called James elsewhere, especially Spain.
Have those "fighting for the King James Bible" actually READ the works of the king in question? He was an extensively published author. You won't like it if you do.
(continued)... from Tyndale's original English translation and Coverdale's slight revision of it. In fact James VI & I stipulated that they should preserve the existing text unless it required correction and that there should be NO MARGINAL NOTES. Getting rid of the marginal notes was really the whole point of it BECAUSE THE MARGINAL NOTES WERE FAVOURABLE TO EVANGELICAL AND CALVINIST THEOLOGY and not conduicive to the so-called "divine right of kings".
(continued)..bible of the revolution. The 1611 translation was then dusted down and reprinted. It is extremely odd that Evangelicals now should argue for the 1611 "kingly" or restoration bible over the Geneva bible, to which those of their persuasion at the time clung tenaciously and fought so hard for.
It makes very little difference anyway. Apart from the marginal notes of the Geneva Bible, the actual text of ALL versions, including the 1611 one, was very little changed..
(continued) Those purposes were achieved well before the translation was finished, and James lost interest in it. It was full of printer's errors when it came out and it tanked -completely disappeared from view. The bible everyone was using and continued to use was the GENEVA BIBLE, which had copious marginal notes of a strongly Calvinist bent. It was only after the restoration, over 50 years later, that a need was felt for a "kingly" bible to replace the strongly Evangelical and Calvinist..
If only people knew the story of the political stitch-up which produced the 1611 bible! It was a clever move by an unusually clever king (most of them being as thick as two planks) who was a keen student of Machiavelli, and this was a move worthy of that tutelage. Its purposes were to gain badly-needed protestant kudos for James, a closet catholic as people suspected, and to keep the ideologues who were potential trouble-makers busy for a few years.
There was a day earlier in Dr. Hyles ministry when he would never have let KJV garden tool guy in his pulpit. BTW the Kjv idiot position was never "Baptist"
find a bible that is not copyrighted by man, and be possibly published by any ordinary person, no needed permission required by copyright owner.a bible with authorized version printed on its front page, a bible that was translated by scholars who did not took the credit in translating it and approved by GOD through a King. argument will end what bible translation is GOD preserved.be john 3:3 first.or your arguments will not end.
The true word of God is the 1st language spoken before Genesis 11. The Lord declared all of his thoughts from the beginning in 1 pure language made of pure words. Adam had all 66 books :Genesis through Revelation. God declared, wrote, and preserved it for all generations. Theword of God cannot be translated from that which he pronounced with his lips into another perverse language and still be the incorruptible seed whereby a person can be born again. Only 1 book can fulfil this. Which is it?
the KJV IS just another translation. if it's the only word of God, well, which KJV? and why didn't anyone have the word of God until that version came out?
KJB is the word of God from cover to cover including the cover... it is the standard from which all others compare... it is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice... that is the issue of our day...final authority
its almost like saying...what did God say?...did God say that... theres like 200+ versions of the bible on the market today and they are all wrong... except for the KJB... Why are they wrong? because they dont match up ... they dont say the same thing!
What a bunch of legalistic ignorance. How can people be so dumb as to believe that the KJV is anything more than another translation of the Bible? If the KJV is inspired so are the NASB, ESV and a number of more modern translations. Just because they don't use an antiquated form of English doesn't mean they are not the Word of God. I'd be curious to know how many of the cheerleaders in the crowd have bothered to study the truth on the issue rather than being dogmatic out of ignorance. I'd say 3.
If the translation (KJV) is not inspired then nor are the originals from which it came! Schaap is a fruitloop. Enemy of God's Word. God expects the world to go back to greek and hebrew in which 99.9% of the population doesn't speak. Ha I'll live by EVERY word of God of my King James!
I have always believed this...and I'm glad Schaap (although I disagree with almost everything his says) FINALLY has said something right! Study the history of the translation of the scriptures...are you saying that only English speaking people can hear the true Word...ridiculous!
Wow... I agree with Schaap on something? The Ruckman-lites' beliefs are EXACTLY like those of the Catholics; the Catholics maintain that the Latin Vulgate is the inspired translation of the Bible from the Greek. You guys maintain that the KJV is the inspired translation of the Bible from the Greek.
No. The "koine" Greek language. Ancient Greek was very complex language consisting of many local dialects. "Koine" Greek came about as language the "average" Grecian citizen spoke, intiated by Alexander the Great and through his military commanders. The Scriptures found at Antioch hidden in the catacombs were primarily in the "Koine" Greek language. The KJV was English translated from those Greek manuscripts. Vulgate means "language of commoners" lower class. "Koine" is refined Greek.
Jack Schaap is a down right idiot. If you read in John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The Word was made flesh and if you notice that the word Word is capitalized clearly meaning its a NAME. Hereby he says that JESUS THE PERFECT SON, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, AND THE PERFECT LAMB OF GOD is not perfect.
I don't know what you mean by "because some white guys said so". There must be a perfect Word of God, because Jesus Christ is the WORD of God and He was without error and sin. Psa. 12:6-7 declares the "Words of the Lord are pure words." They are promised to be preserved--PURE throughout ALL generations. Logic says there must be a pure translation preserved, inspired by God. For the English it is the KJV in my conviction. The KJV translators also went to other languages when translating.
Simply they are found in *copies* in other languages. The KJV was not the first and the only preserved inspired Words of God on earth in 1611, nor is the KJV the only preserved, inspired Words on earth today. God's preserved Words were in many other languages well before the English 1611. It is noted by the translator's and in two volumes written during the actual translating by the 6 companies of translators that several of those foreign preserved copies were used to draw from and compare.
The translators themselves acknowleged that they had a multitude of sources to compare from. The Bible had been already translated into nearly every major European tongue before the KJV was ever printed. It is well known fact that serveral of 47-54 translators spoke fluent European languages plus were fluent in the Hebrew and Greek. Where was God's preserved Words before 1611? They were found in at least 16 different languages before it came into the English and the translators had access to 40.
Your questions seem to indicate you don't believe what God said about His Words. "So if God preserved"... That is plainly the wrong approach. God first said HE DID. You yourself are an "ify" seeker of truth. I suggest you come over to the other side and start *believing God* first and then to study more history about the KJV. There is a great host of authorities and Bible historians such as Dr. Edwin Willoughby, former chief bibliographer at the "Folger Shakespeare Library". A great source!
@TeaPartier22 The "40" I was refering to was the more than 40 Bibles issued to the committees for study and comparative language referencing. One translator would read in English the translated Greek and Hebrew, while others followed along with European Bibles in which they were fluent. When a question arose about a certain word or meaning, they would meticulously "..bring it back to the anvil that which we had hammered": until they were all in agreement. ".the good hand of the Lord upon us.."
The Catholics were the opposition to having the Bible in the common language - English, so it is similarly catholic to oppose the having the Bible in the common language - contemporary English. Arguing that the KJB is inspired is arbitrary and historically and biblically baseless. What separates it from all of the English translations that came before?
Ask yourself this: Is a whore and a sodomite the same as "shrine prostitutes"? The Authorized Version is accurate. A whore is not necessarily a prostitute. A whore is any woman that fornicates. A sodomite is any man that abuses his flesh with men. This is just one of many instances where new "versions" are perverting scripture.
Yes indeed! The translators of the KJB were just as inspired as any other writer of scripture! God inspired them and made them just as important to the transmission of God's Word as the Apostle Paul!
Narrator dude...you need to actually listen to what Pastor Schaap is saying. Catholics try to claim that they are still able to add to the Bible as they write what they are inspired to write. And what is it with your type of Christians who think that they have to publicly separate? Is that your way of exposing yourself as following Dr. Hyles as a leader of a denomination? Dr Hyles publicly left the Southern Baptist Convention. If you were not in a convention why do you need to leave publicly?
Whoever posted this and narrated this video should also put his name behind his criticism of Pastor Schaap. You will openly use my pastor's name but you are too cowardly to say who you are. You purposely used a picture that poorly represents him to make him look bad. It is obvious that you want an angry reaction from those associated with him as you maliciously called the men who he trains "preacher girls." Please remove your video from Youtube until you have the courage to put your name to it.
Hey Mr Narrator...On your "catholic doctrine" statement: It is catholic-like to say that the men who translated the Words of God were receiving the inspiration from God themselves, just as the original authors of God's Word did in Greek and Hebrew. You sir, are just trying to elicit an angry response from those who are actually rallying to the call of God on their lives. You must be one of those who are bitter because you "got hurt." Hey buddy! Grow up and have some respect for God's man.
No one who wrote the WORDS of scripture were inspired. The WORDS THEMSELVES are inspired. The problem with your scenario is you think the initial AGENT holds the key to inspiration. Copies are duplicates of what GOD BREATHED. The 'originals' are in Heaven where they have always been. If you were to go there and see them you would see the Lord Jesus with a sharp sword from His mouth. I say again, what good is preservation without inspiration? I thought the Words of God were ALIVE. aren't they?
Jack Schaap says he is keeping the old paths straight -----Keep the old paths straight brother! Keep speaking well of the Pope because he has big numbers. Keep questioning the KJB, Keep promoting rap and rock and roll neo evangilical rap and dance emerging church. Keep promoting and calling Obama a Christian---- thats right brother keep them old paths straight for the next generation! I can't believe some of the men that are even attending this compromisers "pastors school".
5:00 Looks like Al Lacy was giving Jack Schaap and others a prophetic warning. They don't fight because they don't hold up the Word of God ABOVE "their ministry" and I do mean THEIR ministry. The Word of God is simply a "tool" to "be used" to build a great work for THEIR glory.
I'm not saying the KJV is wrong, that's the only Bible we use where I am. I'm saying it's not the ONLY right Bible. There were Bibles before the King James that had to be right also, or those people would all be in the pit of fire. The Geneva, Martin Luther Bible, Tyndale Bible, etc. etc.
Why do we argue about these things? Just show people by actions rather than words. :)
@TheKaighen Then why are you here? I am concerned about what I am hearing from a place I used to attend; I spent a lot of my life there for the Lord. Something is wrong and I think many of us see IT. The motivation seems entirely whacked, and out of control.
@locustweed Whatever sir. I guess we all have different opinions... What matters is are we saved. That's what really matters over all our human arguments :) God Bless
He is speaking the truth. If the KJV was the only "inspired" version, free from error, then all the world's languages would need to learn English in order to read God's Word.
@ShipsHaven No, that's not what we're saying. But I don't think you're understanding this. I'm not saying the KJB is inspired as the originals were. BUT the originals are preserved in the KJB. Thus, the KJB is inspired in a sense. Let me ask you this. What was preserved? The inspired word was, of course. Thus, yes, the KJB is "inspired." Really, it's splitting hairs, but you can indeed say that it is inspired, as long as you understand what you're saying.
@ShipsHaven Technically speaking, you're right. But you're also wrong in a sense. Inspiration does refer to the originals, yes. AND ONLY the originals. BUT preservation means those same originals are still around today, in translations. IF it is not, then WHAT was preserved? That's why many of us say KJB is "inspired." We know it's technically "preserved," but the inspired words are what was preserved. So it's still "inspired," in a sense.
Logic: God gave Paul His Words--Paul wrote them down. There you have it! The first COPY of the inspired Word of God--and preserved at the same time! What good is preservation without inspiration?
Lol crazy! i don't understand why people make vidz cutting other people down. Besides, Dr. Schaap is right in everything that he said! The only reason this video is up here trying to hurt his testimony is because someone is not close to God, and is lacking wisdom.
Fact is that the people of King James day deserved to have the Bible in the English of their day. So do we. Take the Kings English out on the streets today and see how many kids you witness to really understand it. We have a right to have His Word in our English today! The argument just does not hold water that the KJV is the only accurate Word of God in the English.
Jack Schaap is just like all the other independent baptist 'preachers'...they say one thing behind closed doors and then say something else in front of the pulpit and something else in the classroom and when you call them on their lie they just deny it...what's new??? nothing new under the sun! Just the same bunch of lying politicians out to make money, control people and build their resume and their empire
The King James Version is not inspired, but most people who believe that the modern versions have satan in them do NOT believe that! We believe that (unfortunately) it is the only version that didn't use manuscripts CORRUPTED by those viscious unsaved devil worshippers Wescott and Hort. The english of the King James is not inspired but the original language manuscripts used by the modern versions were POISONED by those two Satans- wescott and Hort!
[cont.] "Therfore as S. Augustine saith, that varietie of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversitie of signification and sense in the margine, where the text is not so cleare, must needes doe good, yea is necessary, as we are perswaded. " So even the KJV translators didn't consider their work the final word.
From the preface to the 1611 KJVL :For as it is a fault of incredulitie, to doubt of those things that are evident: so to determine of such things as the Spirit of God hath left (even in the judgment of the judicious) questionable, can beno lesse then presumption." [cont.]
Still continuing...Then if you say, That's wrong, God's doesn't speak any errors, then you are contradicting yourself. You must believe one or the other, you can't believe both. Either you believe that the KJV is full of errors and that God speaks with errors or that God doesn't speak in errors and that the KJV is the Inspired Word of God. Modifying the Bible is something else i.e. KJV - niv, you sacrafice the verses and meaning of the TRANSLATION for modification. Rev. 22:18,19
Continuing again....Mr. Schaap, how does God speak to you? God speaks in that still small voice that only the individual can hear and know. How, do you ask, does God speak to your heart? Through his Word, the KJV Bible. So if you are saying that the KJV Bible is full of errors, then you are saying the things that God speaks to you are full of errors because they come from the Bible. If you believe that the Bible is full of errors, then you must also believe that God's Word is full of errors.
To continue my previous thought...Do you honestly think that God's divine inspiration stopped with those who originally penned down the Word of God. If that's the case then God is contradicting Himself. The Bible states that God is no respecter of persons. So if the inspiration of God stopped at the original languages, then we who speak English are just getting a off-brand of the original thing. So God gave one group of people one thing while we got another? NO!
To Schaap: I have met you before and if you saw me you'd remember me. Let me ask you this one question.....Upon what do you base your Salvation on....an errored book or the PRESERVED Word of God, the KJV Bible. I would hate to know that I based my Salvation on a book that was full of errors as you stated. Do you honestly believe that God stopped inspiring people after he spoke the words and the original penmen wrote them down. You think that it stops there?
Great point @2056president. If "inspiration" has to do with the power of the Book or it being supernatural, then yes I believe that was also preserved into the KJV. If "inspiration" means God breathed then I'm not sure what you mean by the inspiration being preserved.I think we believe the same thing. No need to argue about it.
Man, that is GOOD PREACHING from Dr. Al Lacy! I always enjoyed his preaching and I'm so glad you put this video up. I'm glad I'm not the only one that is confused - Schaap is really a disgrace to fundamental baptists. How can it be a "side issue"? Oh would to God that all preachers and men of God say that same thing Al Lacy said, "You are afriad to go to war!!" The other perversions take away from the Diety of Christ. I don't see how any baptist can turn into a sissy. We need MEN!
You are correct, Catholic doctrine has nothing to do with the King James Bible. The divistion of the KJB is a baptist thing. May be I should read this book - I don't know. I just know that Schaap is so different from his father in law and I think preacher would be rolling in his grave. It seems Schaap has gone soft!!! It does seem like many Fundamental baptists are changing and going soft.
The KJV was translated by Anglicans from Hebrew and Greek in 1611 A.D. Why should Baptists believe that the Anglicans correctly translated it? Baptists believe that Anglicans got it wrong in so many ways, such as episcopacy, infant baptism, prayer for the dead, King James called head of the church, etc. They even persecuted Baptists. So why should Baptists believe the Anglicans got it right when they translated the Scriptures?
PEOPLE. please argue about something more important than this. I've been more moved, spiritually, by other versions..and NO God has not punished me for using an ESV. There are more important issues out there!!!
Thankyou so much for putting this video together its what KJV Bible belivers needed to hear about what Jack believes so many "christians" follow him like he is god.
They go around talkin about Peter Ruckman and Gale Riplinger and they dont know nothin about them.God bless and if you would message me back thanks.
Wow. What idolatry of the KJV! Do you really believe that the word of God is preserved in an English translation rather than in the words the men inspired by God wrote?
You should really view the entire talk that was given before you jump to the false conclusion that Dr Schaap believes the KJV isn't inspired. The errors that Dr. Schaap are reffering to are printing mistakes (mis-spelled words, etc.) He later definitively says the KJV is the preserved word of God.
@fileboy2002 common sense is the following. The KJV is the Bible. The Bible is inspired. Therefore, the KJV is inspired and you are not Mormon for calling the KJV inspired.
Well Jleu777, I'm thankful that you defend your position with such a Christ-like spirit. Hopefully, there are some who come to know Christ through it. :~)
jack schaap is a disgrace for independent fundemental baptist
2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. King James Bible
neighbor amen i dont care if jack schaap likes or not or any other jack schaap out of hell followers amen amen amen
The KJB is the final authority. Who rebukes the scholars? Who can rebuke someone who has "studied". The word of God (if you got one)! The psudeo-scholars are still looking for it in dead languages and worn out mss. They "would not have this one to reign over them" cause "the common people heard him gladly" "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
There are many who comment on textual criticism and Bible translation who have never completed an in depth, non-bias study on the issues. Studying specific cultures, and specific leaders of specific movements and then making an "inspired proclamation" is not an in depth study of the translation process nor of textual criticism. No matter which side you are on, do not listen to a few men of the same view, rather seek truth, wherever truth leads.
bull shit this dumb mother fucker dont know shit fuck him and fuck you if you like him he dont know shit on anything gods a appinion you cant say its right unless it is witch it isnt and cant be proved so fuck you bitch zacceus360 is my aim got a problem hit me up
@TheBibledefender Absolutely wrong, bro. Pastor Schaap is absolutely right. What, was Jesus born in 1611? If you call the KJV the perfect version, then the others are worthless. Was anyone that was led by the apostles on the day of Pentecost, saved by the KJV? Sorry man, that doesn't fly.
Of course, you can call the Bible a liar, and say the Pentecost didn't happen. You're saying there's no other perfect translations jleu777. So you're calling anything the disciples wrote worthless for saving.
@TheKaighen The Word of God is perfect, because Jesus is perfect. If you don't have a perfect Word then Jesus is not in it. Peter spake the Words of God at Pentecost and are recorded in the KJV and are preserved in English perfectly. Yes, those saved at Pentecost heard the Words of God by Peter's mouth and they are recorded in the KJV perfectly. Remember, there were many languages spoken and heard as the "Spirit gave them utterance". The Word Peter spake were God's Words preserved in the KJV
The nut in the second half of the video, however, is guilty of misrepresenting and defiling God's Word. That passage has been ripped from its context and twisted into the mold of that preacher's own personal opinion. Jesus' words in that passage are not in reference in any way to His Word, but to literal swords. If anyone is guilty of defiling God's Word, it is the man spouting of his opinons in the second part of the video, rather than proclaiming what "thus saith the Lord."
I disagree, jaustinwatts, Although you can take any scripture out of context to prove anything, You also gotta consider that all scripture was given for reproof,etc.etc... and instrustion in righteousness. He is definently giving righteous instuctions by telling people to get a sword (the KJB). Also, notice how Paul takes some OT sripture out of context at times to prove a point. Yes, its in there. Look at Pauls OT quotes.
What Schaap is saying actually makes sense (I never thought I'd say that). It's actually logical and it's true. The Authorized English Version is not inspired, but a well-preserved translation of the original text.
No. it is an inspired translation. If it were not, these guys would'nt be comparing every "New" International peice of crap on the market to the KJB. Why not just compare it to the latest, newest, more correct, "easier to understand" bibles?
The innerant infallible word of God is in the original. The KJV is a translation. If a person tries to make it something it does not it is not, that's wrong. There are other word for word translations besides the KJV. I love the KJV. I still preach from it. I study the NASB. The best modern translation. I am not interested in Ruckmanism
Learn your history over 5000 greek texts have been found only 8 were used to compile the textus receptus which by the way was compiled by Erasmus a catholic priest who dedicated the text to the
Pope. King James was a wicked power hungry man who thought if he gave the people a bible in there own language he could be king forever. the men who translated the textus receptus into our english 1611 King James Bible were brilliant scholarars but most of them weren`t even saved. Preserved not inspire.
Learn your history, buddy. You think the KJV was created form Jeromes TR? The KJV was created from numerous manuscripts at the time. The TR most "KJV people" dote on wasnt compiled until years after the KJV was written.
Excellent conspiracy about King James though. I bet you think he was a fag too eh? Did you also buy into the Zeitgeist movie?
junkerjunk2, Don't waste your time here. These people refuse to face the facts. Desiderious Erasmus, Beza and Stephanus did indeed provide translations from Byzantine texts. Erasmus died a faithful catholic... and the last 6 vesus are missing from all of the remaining MSS, so they did indeed come from the Vulgate. These people don't want to deal in facts though. They prefer division.
Get off the crack you can't prove what you have said dude. You are dead wrong about King James I the number of mss that Erasmus had and wrong about the KJV translators. You are not Jesus don't start taking his place in the Judgement Seat!
@junkerjunk It's funny how you claim for others to know history when you clearly don't. 1st. Desiderius Erasmus forced into Catholic priesthood by his father, was one of the worst priests there was he never kept vigils, he never hesitated to eat meat on Fridays, & he refused to function as a priest. In fact he is the one who wrote "Against The Barbarians" which was a tract against the pope. 2nd King James told his son,"Diligently read HIS Word and earnestly pray for the understanding thereof."
@junkerjunk I think y'all need to read the 11,784 word preface in the KJV which mind you, was written by the 1611 translators. They SPECIFICALLY admit, that it is not an accurate translation. So where do all of you yahoos get off calling it an accurate translation when the men who did the translation said it is only a revision of some of the other english versions, along with about a dozen manuscripts? I'd rather take their word over yours. Bet your pastor didn't tell ya that one!
@MrJamarine Then where is THE WORD OF GOD? Jesus said you must "live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". There must be an every-word Bible somewhere-- preserved the way God said it. Psalm 12:6-7 Did Matthew know his gospel account was actually the Word of God? Do you believe Matthews gospel is the Word of God?
That does not hold water when the whole thing about the Alexanderian line is the minority and the 5000 in the Byzantine family.What you could say could be bad but they really did not have computers let alone a mail system. BTWErasmus did seperate fromthe Catholics and all his works judged as heresy.Read about him-being a vagabound with no education and millions dying or being educated and able to make money-I would think I would also be Catholic.Am not KJVO but truth does not play favorites
wow! what is this!?!?! why on earth would you attack the man of God??? he is right buddy! and even if he was'nt correct you have NO right of attacking God's man!
@jleu777 ...............hey the man is reaching the world with the gospel. what are you doing for God? when was the last time you lead sombody to christ? insted of atacking the people of God....wont you do somthing for God and help make a diference!!! you will anser to God.U sound like a God hater? shut up and preach! lisen to my testimony : testimony of julio garcia .....on youtube)......that took place under jacks preaching! then show me a changed life because of ur preaching! RIPPED!
None of the authors of the books contained in the Bible were divine. This means the Bible is not the Word of God, those men were inspired of the Holy Spirit, but they were still human, Inspired to write due to an experience with God. Knowledge is not more important than experience. For about 1300 years there was no New Testament, but today it is worshiped as if it were God. Worship God in Spirit and in Truth, not in false teaching.
This individual has probably been placed in his office (by the subverters and Christ-haters behind the scenes) to help destroy Christianity. That's what I think.
Thanks for the soundbite. Now put the entire video up so these honest people can see what Dr Schaap is really talking about. If God spoke, "inspired", the KJV then who's to say He's not still inspiring Bibles. By the way Dr Schaap has never said the KJV is not preserved. His whole point is that God promised to preserve His words. If you honestly think that God spoke the English Bible then you are a heretic!!! Watch the entire video!
Links to the whole sermons are in the sidebar idiot. I actaully encourage everyone to listen to the whole thing. There was too much material to fit in a 10 min video.
Sincere people will realize Jock Straap is a cocky liar. After this whole KJV thing everyone knows it. Only a handful of effeminate, snot nosed "preacher boys" that go to that crap hole even follow him
Everyone else is baling on HAC right and left. I One more generation max before its the next Liberal... er "Liberty" University
@jleu777 Dude, is your response to hylander07 Christ like?
I am guilty of the same, and often, but you're running a Christian youtube channel brother, and many unbelievers who watch us closely, see your replies.
@jleu777 I don't agree with some things either but I would be scared to be you calling a preacher a jock straap and a cocky liar he probably has done more for God with one hair on his head than you have done in ten of your lifetimes..
@hylander07 God never took his breath from His preserved Word. Inspiration follows preservation. It was Holy men of God who "spake" as moved by the Holy Ghost. The Word they "spake" was inspired not the men. Only the inspired Word was preserved; preservation is nothing if it is not also inspired. The "originals" are a myth--The originals are settled in heaven and if you were to go and see them there you would see the Lord Jesus Christ with a sharp two-edged sword in His mouth.
also(just to state a fact) Nobody knows what god's word is...god doesnt interact with us to tell us, its the word of the people that created the building blocks of the type of religion, anybody that claims to of talked to god is a mental case, or a liar or is so full of themselves that they themselves think they are special and actually believe they are god and what they say is gods word...Its all fiction, too much of fiction is bad for you, it may be hard to face reality but,grow up?
why does it matter if it has errors or not? or if its accurate or not? its a frickin fictional story book, so who cares if theres any errors in it, it would be a problem if a real history book had errors im all for cleanup there. but the bible isnt a non-fiction account of history, it is a fictional belief of it, so it doesnt really matter it's accuracy
What a joke. Typical fundamentalist preaching. Lots of accusations, lots of screaming, lots of name-calling. Unfortunately - no content or bible usage. I'm always amazed at how much fundamentalists want to fight for, with, and about the Bible, but use it so little. I feel so sorry for people who are blinded by such ignorant arguments. For you KJV only people, I simply ask - "How were people saved prior to 1611?"
If only Jack Hyles were still here. He built the church on The Book , now scaap's trying to change The book. I encourage you to listen to " get your stinkin feet out of my drinkin water" by Hyles it's red hot.
True Thats the problem with bible college though other than its nowhere in the bible
Once the 1st generation dies you have to leave it to someone "And who knoweth whether he shall be a wise man or a fool?"
I've been told there were professors toward the end of hyles career that didnt hold to the book either so even then it was slipping away Hyles never changed though, I liked his sermon "How We Got God's Word" It was one of the last sermons he preached maybe the last and proves schaap a liar
This so called preacher Jack Schaap who is saying that the Bible is not true ! This fellow need to buy him some Knomex [fire proof clorthing] under ware and over hauls for he will need them where he is going.
If you think the Bible is not true in it's totality from beginning to end. Just go down to McDonald and get you a job flipping burgers for a living and stop preaching. rthe Bible is Totally True or Totally False, Nothing in the Middle.
He says only original is inspired and that KJV is a translation and Can Not be inspired. The Bible proves him wrong on this. Jesus Christ in Luke 4, Timothy, the Eunuch, and the Bereans DID NOT HAVE THE ORIGINALS. LOL!!! But the Bible said they had scripture, and the Bible says ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD!! Ruckman's right, BBF, Sword of the Lord, Hyles/Schapp crowd is wrong, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE anyway
I sent FBC an e-mail twice 100% refuting Schapp's position in his own words, of course they never responded.
He points out in one of his books that Jesus Christ had scripture, and that it WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL. Well, according to God's definition of scripture, (ALL scripture is given by INSPIRATION OF GOD), than that means that there is something inspired that IS NOT THE ORIGINAL. Jesus(LK.4) Bereans(Acts 17) Tim(II Tim 3) and Eunuch(Acts 8) all had inspired NON ORIGINALS. Proves Schaap a liar
i reAD THE KING JAMES BIBLE BUT HAVE seen people be lead to the LOrd with the niv are u telling me that they arent saved cause they didnt get saved by reading the " real bible".....
all fundamentalism is now days is a pep rally of memeories it hurts me cause all they do is fight ... and in no way Can GOD be glorified by this video
This video was made for one thing: To keep HAC grads from sending their kids there for thinking "Its all a misunderstanding... they still believe the same about the bible"
People like you that have already drunk the coolaid and fight against men of God that believe we still have a bible might as well mosey along because you wont like anything this vid has to offer.
it baffals me how fundamentalism is dieing... the reason is because of childish mencing from the narrartor of this video. in he bible JESUS... said why fight against those who are not against us... fundamentalism is just as bad as the catholics in the dark ages... controling people saying women are wrong for wearing skirts and blacks and whites shouldnt marry some one probably is on there way to hell beacause of this video BRo. schaap is a man of God and ur e going against a man of God..
As u kno people have changed the torah and bible, thus corrupted it. But Let it be known that The Qur'an is the Preserved and Last Book/Testament/Revelation of God All-Mighty. It is the truth in all matters. I invite everyone to sincerely read The Qur'an with an open heart (without bias or agenda) and see. May God Guide you. Ameen. God Willing! Peace.
To get a rebuttal, see: "Stand on the King James Bible - Re: Ask Pastor Jack Schaap" video. Additionally, there is a REASON we stand on the KJV. The main reason is that it is drawn from the Textus Receptus (the Accepted Text) that was verified in 1611. This text is what we believe is preserved. FROM this we get the KJV. Most other versions are actually from DIFFERENT GREEK, HEBREW, ARAMAIC, etc. But, regardless of how we feel about the English.. does it NEED to be changed? No. Leave it alone
sarje1970 1 week ago
king James bible, only one for me
ideservehell4mysin 2 weeks ago
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man didnt write the bible, many men and women wrote many pages about an ever changing religious movement over time, that bishop arenaus with constantine, after much mass murder, got together( 1st and 2nd council of nicea) to decide how to whole sale a book you now buy at walmart, enroute from a secret stop at the porn shop in your SUV, to go home, say "bitch, where's my dinner", sit down to a football game like the bovine american you are, bovine, entitled, white and complacent.
bobear1523 1 month ago
Repent
starryskye6829 1 month ago
Why do people in the USA refer to the Authorised Version or 1611 bible as the "King James" bible without saying WHICH King James they're talking about? There were 7 of them in Scotland, of whom 2 were also kings of England. There were many other kings called James elsewhere, especially Spain.
Have those "fighting for the King James Bible" actually READ the works of the king in question? He was an extensively published author. You won't like it if you do.
Arbuthnotification 1 month ago
(continued)... from Tyndale's original English translation and Coverdale's slight revision of it. In fact James VI & I stipulated that they should preserve the existing text unless it required correction and that there should be NO MARGINAL NOTES. Getting rid of the marginal notes was really the whole point of it BECAUSE THE MARGINAL NOTES WERE FAVOURABLE TO EVANGELICAL AND CALVINIST THEOLOGY and not conduicive to the so-called "divine right of kings".
Arbuthnotification 1 month ago
(continued)..bible of the revolution. The 1611 translation was then dusted down and reprinted. It is extremely odd that Evangelicals now should argue for the 1611 "kingly" or restoration bible over the Geneva bible, to which those of their persuasion at the time clung tenaciously and fought so hard for.
It makes very little difference anyway. Apart from the marginal notes of the Geneva Bible, the actual text of ALL versions, including the 1611 one, was very little changed..
Arbuthnotification 1 month ago
(continued) Those purposes were achieved well before the translation was finished, and James lost interest in it. It was full of printer's errors when it came out and it tanked -completely disappeared from view. The bible everyone was using and continued to use was the GENEVA BIBLE, which had copious marginal notes of a strongly Calvinist bent. It was only after the restoration, over 50 years later, that a need was felt for a "kingly" bible to replace the strongly Evangelical and Calvinist..
Arbuthnotification 1 month ago
If only people knew the story of the political stitch-up which produced the 1611 bible! It was a clever move by an unusually clever king (most of them being as thick as two planks) who was a keen student of Machiavelli, and this was a move worthy of that tutelage. Its purposes were to gain badly-needed protestant kudos for James, a closet catholic as people suspected, and to keep the ideologues who were potential trouble-makers busy for a few years.
Arbuthnotification 1 month ago
Marcosuno15, The crown on England has the copyright for King James Bible.
mircipricop 1 month ago
There was a day earlier in Dr. Hyles ministry when he would never have let KJV garden tool guy in his pulpit. BTW the Kjv idiot position was never "Baptist"
1cor14 1 month ago
Why is it that after 35 sec he isnt in the video. Cuz you're dumb
edwardNitzel 1 month ago
And you know what? Dr. Schaap is right.
harrypotterification 1 month ago
find a bible that is not copyrighted by man, and be possibly published by any ordinary person, no needed permission required by copyright owner.a bible with authorized version printed on its front page, a bible that was translated by scholars who did not took the credit in translating it and approved by GOD through a King. argument will end what bible translation is GOD preserved.be john 3:3 first.or your arguments will not end.
marcosuno15 2 months ago
God is Love. If a verse wasn't inspired by Love, it's not the Word of God.
KayBeeEee1983 2 months ago
The true word of God is the 1st language spoken before Genesis 11. The Lord declared all of his thoughts from the beginning in 1 pure language made of pure words. Adam had all 66 books :Genesis through Revelation. God declared, wrote, and preserved it for all generations. Theword of God cannot be translated from that which he pronounced with his lips into another perverse language and still be the incorruptible seed whereby a person can be born again. Only 1 book can fulfil this. Which is it?
Paul2peter315 2 months ago
@Paul2peter315 What are you talking about?
thekenny1175 2 months ago
the KJV IS just another translation. if it's the only word of God, well, which KJV? and why didn't anyone have the word of God until that version came out?
XSC3 2 months ago
KJB is the word of God from cover to cover including the cover... it is the standard from which all others compare... it is the final authority in all matters of faith and practice... that is the issue of our day...final authority
its almost like saying...what did God say?...did God say that... theres like 200+ versions of the bible on the market today and they are all wrong... except for the KJB... Why are they wrong? because they dont match up ... they dont say the same thing!
zimdot1 3 months ago
@zimdot1 You are claiming the cover of the kjv is from the father?
modernrocks 2 months ago
What a bunch of legalistic ignorance. How can people be so dumb as to believe that the KJV is anything more than another translation of the Bible? If the KJV is inspired so are the NASB, ESV and a number of more modern translations. Just because they don't use an antiquated form of English doesn't mean they are not the Word of God. I'd be curious to know how many of the cheerleaders in the crowd have bothered to study the truth on the issue rather than being dogmatic out of ignorance. I'd say 3.
metanoeo1 3 months ago
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I am sure Jesus would be proud......NOT!
RCK62Here 3 months ago
If the translation (KJV) is not inspired then nor are the originals from which it came! Schaap is a fruitloop. Enemy of God's Word. God expects the world to go back to greek and hebrew in which 99.9% of the population doesn't speak. Ha I'll live by EVERY word of God of my King James!
TheKJVberean 3 months ago
I have always believed this...and I'm glad Schaap (although I disagree with almost everything his says) FINALLY has said something right! Study the history of the translation of the scriptures...are you saying that only English speaking people can hear the true Word...ridiculous!
violinhudi 3 months ago
A translation can never be inspired.
pastorkurtlin 3 months ago
King James Bible is the Inspired word of God!!!!! And Tha'ts Final!!!
haikutim 3 months ago
at least Dr Jack schaap is doing some thing for God
not like you how you complain about litttle things like this
Stanwaide 4 months ago
Wow I can't believe independent fundamental baptist actually listen to Jack Schaap
itiswrittenbaptist 5 months ago
I am glad Schaap has improved in one area over Hyles at least. To the poster of the video, you need to study more.
DaleC1980 5 months ago
Stop worshipping the KJV bible.
TheDesertProphet454 5 months ago
Wow... I agree with Schaap on something? The Ruckman-lites' beliefs are EXACTLY like those of the Catholics; the Catholics maintain that the Latin Vulgate is the inspired translation of the Bible from the Greek. You guys maintain that the KJV is the inspired translation of the Bible from the Greek.
TeaPartier22 5 months ago
@TeaPartier22 "Vulgate" means 'vulgar'.
locustweed 5 months ago
@locustweed Vulgar means "common".
TeaPartier22 5 months ago
@TeaPartier22 Yes, the common is always the way of the world--vulgar. That's why God wanted a Bible that was preserved and inspired; the KJV.
locustweed 4 months ago
@locustweed The KJV was in the common man's language. Isn't that the whole argument for its being the "Inspired Word of God"?
TeaPartier22 4 months ago
No. The "koine" Greek language. Ancient Greek was very complex language consisting of many local dialects. "Koine" Greek came about as language the "average" Grecian citizen spoke, intiated by Alexander the Great and through his military commanders. The Scriptures found at Antioch hidden in the catacombs were primarily in the "Koine" Greek language. The KJV was English translated from those Greek manuscripts. Vulgate means "language of commoners" lower class. "Koine" is refined Greek.
locustweed 4 months ago
Jack Schaap is a down right idiot. If you read in John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The Word was made flesh and if you notice that the word Word is capitalized clearly meaning its a NAME. Hereby he says that JESUS THE PERFECT SON, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, AND THE PERFECT LAMB OF GOD is not perfect.
preacherboy1992 5 months ago
@preacherboy1992 I like what you said!!!!!! If there is no perfect BIBLE there is no perfect Savior!
locustweed 5 months ago
@locustweed Okay...but why is the 1611 the "perfect Bible"? Because some white guys said so?
TeaPartier22 5 months ago
I don't know what you mean by "because some white guys said so". There must be a perfect Word of God, because Jesus Christ is the WORD of God and He was without error and sin. Psa. 12:6-7 declares the "Words of the Lord are pure words." They are promised to be preserved--PURE throughout ALL generations. Logic says there must be a pure translation preserved, inspired by God. For the English it is the KJV in my conviction. The KJV translators also went to other languages when translating.
locustweed 4 months ago
@locustweed So wait...
If God promised to preserve His words THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS...
And the last book of the Bible was written in the late first century...
But the KJV didn't come until the 17th century...
What was the preserved Word then?
TeaPartier22 4 months ago
Simply they are found in *copies* in other languages. The KJV was not the first and the only preserved inspired Words of God on earth in 1611, nor is the KJV the only preserved, inspired Words on earth today. God's preserved Words were in many other languages well before the English 1611. It is noted by the translator's and in two volumes written during the actual translating by the 6 companies of translators that several of those foreign preserved copies were used to draw from and compare.
locustweed 4 months ago
The translators themselves acknowleged that they had a multitude of sources to compare from. The Bible had been already translated into nearly every major European tongue before the KJV was ever printed. It is well known fact that serveral of 47-54 translators spoke fluent European languages plus were fluent in the Hebrew and Greek. Where was God's preserved Words before 1611? They were found in at least 16 different languages before it came into the English and the translators had access to 40.
locustweed 4 months ago
Your questions seem to indicate you don't believe what God said about His Words. "So if God preserved"... That is plainly the wrong approach. God first said HE DID. You yourself are an "ify" seeker of truth. I suggest you come over to the other side and start *believing God* first and then to study more history about the KJV. There is a great host of authorities and Bible historians such as Dr. Edwin Willoughby, former chief bibliographer at the "Folger Shakespeare Library". A great source!
locustweed 4 months ago
@TeaPartier22 The "40" I was refering to was the more than 40 Bibles issued to the committees for study and comparative language referencing. One translator would read in English the translated Greek and Hebrew, while others followed along with European Bibles in which they were fluent. When a question arose about a certain word or meaning, they would meticulously "..bring it back to the anvil that which we had hammered": until they were all in agreement. ".the good hand of the Lord upon us.."
locustweed 4 months ago
Amen preacher preach on. I got a sword. It is the word of God I would watch that guy schaap. fight on fight on Amen and amen
preachthehelloutofya 5 months ago
You people sicken me and get your eyes off what one man said and look at what god what's u arrogant fools
laslaprap33 6 months ago
The Catholics were the opposition to having the Bible in the common language - English, so it is similarly catholic to oppose the having the Bible in the common language - contemporary English. Arguing that the KJB is inspired is arbitrary and historically and biblically baseless. What separates it from all of the English translations that came before?
lform641 6 months ago
Ask yourself this: Is a whore and a sodomite the same as "shrine prostitutes"? The Authorized Version is accurate. A whore is not necessarily a prostitute. A whore is any woman that fornicates. A sodomite is any man that abuses his flesh with men. This is just one of many instances where new "versions" are perverting scripture.
joroma77 6 months ago
Schaap = The Devil's henchman.
joroma77 6 months ago
jleu777 is a douche bag...so is religion
samuel97355 7 months ago
Yes indeed! The translators of the KJB were just as inspired as any other writer of scripture! God inspired them and made them just as important to the transmission of God's Word as the Apostle Paul!
ChaplainK 7 months ago
Narrator dude...you need to actually listen to what Pastor Schaap is saying. Catholics try to claim that they are still able to add to the Bible as they write what they are inspired to write. And what is it with your type of Christians who think that they have to publicly separate? Is that your way of exposing yourself as following Dr. Hyles as a leader of a denomination? Dr Hyles publicly left the Southern Baptist Convention. If you were not in a convention why do you need to leave publicly?
longworthmatt 7 months ago
Whoever posted this and narrated this video should also put his name behind his criticism of Pastor Schaap. You will openly use my pastor's name but you are too cowardly to say who you are. You purposely used a picture that poorly represents him to make him look bad. It is obvious that you want an angry reaction from those associated with him as you maliciously called the men who he trains "preacher girls." Please remove your video from Youtube until you have the courage to put your name to it.
longworthmatt 7 months ago
Hey Mr Narrator...On your "catholic doctrine" statement: It is catholic-like to say that the men who translated the Words of God were receiving the inspiration from God themselves, just as the original authors of God's Word did in Greek and Hebrew. You sir, are just trying to elicit an angry response from those who are actually rallying to the call of God on their lives. You must be one of those who are bitter because you "got hurt." Hey buddy! Grow up and have some respect for God's man.
longworthmatt 7 months ago
I was born again reading the Berkley version.
Keruaran 7 months ago
No one who wrote the WORDS of scripture were inspired. The WORDS THEMSELVES are inspired. The problem with your scenario is you think the initial AGENT holds the key to inspiration. Copies are duplicates of what GOD BREATHED. The 'originals' are in Heaven where they have always been. If you were to go there and see them you would see the Lord Jesus with a sharp sword from His mouth. I say again, what good is preservation without inspiration? I thought the Words of God were ALIVE. aren't they?
locustweed 8 months ago
Jack Schaap says he is keeping the old paths straight -----Keep the old paths straight brother! Keep speaking well of the Pope because he has big numbers. Keep questioning the KJB, Keep promoting rap and rock and roll neo evangilical rap and dance emerging church. Keep promoting and calling Obama a Christian---- thats right brother keep them old paths straight for the next generation! I can't believe some of the men that are even attending this compromisers "pastors school".
MrBullfrog9876 8 months ago
5:00 Looks like Al Lacy was giving Jack Schaap and others a prophetic warning. They don't fight because they don't hold up the Word of God ABOVE "their ministry" and I do mean THEIR ministry. The Word of God is simply a "tool" to "be used" to build a great work for THEIR glory.
KingJamesBible 9 months ago
This 'man' is a disgusting waste of human flesh.
TheKittengoddess 9 months ago
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One of my favorite videos.
wallaceju 9 months ago
locustweed--
I'm not saying the KJV is wrong, that's the only Bible we use where I am. I'm saying it's not the ONLY right Bible. There were Bibles before the King James that had to be right also, or those people would all be in the pit of fire. The Geneva, Martin Luther Bible, Tyndale Bible, etc. etc.
Why do we argue about these things? Just show people by actions rather than words. :)
TheKaighen 9 months ago
@TheKaighen Then why are you here? I am concerned about what I am hearing from a place I used to attend; I spent a lot of my life there for the Lord. Something is wrong and I think many of us see IT. The motivation seems entirely whacked, and out of control.
locustweed 8 months ago
@locustweed Whatever sir. I guess we all have different opinions... What matters is are we saved. That's what really matters over all our human arguments :) God Bless
slkghn 7 months ago
He is speaking the truth. If the KJV was the only "inspired" version, free from error, then all the world's languages would need to learn English in order to read God's Word.
baptistfundi 9 months ago
@ShipsHaven No, that's not what we're saying. But I don't think you're understanding this. I'm not saying the KJB is inspired as the originals were. BUT the originals are preserved in the KJB. Thus, the KJB is inspired in a sense. Let me ask you this. What was preserved? The inspired word was, of course. Thus, yes, the KJB is "inspired." Really, it's splitting hairs, but you can indeed say that it is inspired, as long as you understand what you're saying.
trueedge2097 9 months ago
@ShipsHaven Technically speaking, you're right. But you're also wrong in a sense. Inspiration does refer to the originals, yes. AND ONLY the originals. BUT preservation means those same originals are still around today, in translations. IF it is not, then WHAT was preserved? That's why many of us say KJB is "inspired." We know it's technically "preserved," but the inspired words are what was preserved. So it's still "inspired," in a sense.
trueedge2097 9 months ago
Logic: God gave Paul His Words--Paul wrote them down. There you have it! The first COPY of the inspired Word of God--and preserved at the same time! What good is preservation without inspiration?
locustweed 10 months ago
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This dummy needs to learn how to read.
II TIMOTHY 3:16 KJV
"ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:..."
ariseandwalk1611 10 months ago
Lol crazy! i don't understand why people make vidz cutting other people down. Besides, Dr. Schaap is right in everything that he said! The only reason this video is up here trying to hurt his testimony is because someone is not close to God, and is lacking wisdom.
joshmusic09 11 months ago
Fact is that the people of King James day deserved to have the Bible in the English of their day. So do we. Take the Kings English out on the streets today and see how many kids you witness to really understand it. We have a right to have His Word in our English today! The argument just does not hold water that the KJV is the only accurate Word of God in the English.
MrFBCBSALES 11 months ago
Jack Schaap is just like all the other independent baptist 'preachers'...they say one thing behind closed doors and then say something else in front of the pulpit and something else in the classroom and when you call them on their lie they just deny it...what's new??? nothing new under the sun! Just the same bunch of lying politicians out to make money, control people and build their resume and their empire
ReinaValera1865 1 year ago
"Preacher girls," "sissy-britches," lace underwear--what gives with all this?
fileboy2002 1 year ago
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The King James Version is not inspired, but most people who believe that the modern versions have satan in them do NOT believe that! We believe that (unfortunately) it is the only version that didn't use manuscripts CORRUPTED by those viscious unsaved devil worshippers Wescott and Hort. The english of the King James is not inspired but the original language manuscripts used by the modern versions were POISONED by those two Satans- wescott and Hort!
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
[cont.] "Therfore as S. Augustine saith, that varietie of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversitie of signification and sense in the margine, where the text is not so cleare, must needes doe good, yea is necessary, as we are perswaded. " So even the KJV translators didn't consider their work the final word.
Naiant 1 year ago
From the preface to the 1611 KJVL :For as it is a fault of incredulitie, to doubt of those things that are evident: so to determine of such things as the Spirit of God hath left (even in the judgment of the judicious) questionable, can beno lesse then presumption." [cont.]
Naiant 1 year ago
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dfuller1989 1 year ago
Still continuing...Then if you say, That's wrong, God's doesn't speak any errors, then you are contradicting yourself. You must believe one or the other, you can't believe both. Either you believe that the KJV is full of errors and that God speaks with errors or that God doesn't speak in errors and that the KJV is the Inspired Word of God. Modifying the Bible is something else i.e. KJV - niv, you sacrafice the verses and meaning of the TRANSLATION for modification. Rev. 22:18,19
dfuller1989 1 year ago
Continuing again....Mr. Schaap, how does God speak to you? God speaks in that still small voice that only the individual can hear and know. How, do you ask, does God speak to your heart? Through his Word, the KJV Bible. So if you are saying that the KJV Bible is full of errors, then you are saying the things that God speaks to you are full of errors because they come from the Bible. If you believe that the Bible is full of errors, then you must also believe that God's Word is full of errors.
dfuller1989 1 year ago
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dfuller1989 1 year ago
To continue my previous thought...Do you honestly think that God's divine inspiration stopped with those who originally penned down the Word of God. If that's the case then God is contradicting Himself. The Bible states that God is no respecter of persons. So if the inspiration of God stopped at the original languages, then we who speak English are just getting a off-brand of the original thing. So God gave one group of people one thing while we got another? NO!
dfuller1989 1 year ago
To Schaap: I have met you before and if you saw me you'd remember me. Let me ask you this one question.....Upon what do you base your Salvation on....an errored book or the PRESERVED Word of God, the KJV Bible. I would hate to know that I based my Salvation on a book that was full of errors as you stated. Do you honestly believe that God stopped inspiring people after he spoke the words and the original penmen wrote them down. You think that it stops there?
dfuller1989 1 year ago
It is a shame that what Dr. Jack Hyles built in YEARS of Labour, this APOSTATE is tearing down in NO TIME!
SavedSinner08 1 year ago
Great point @2056president. If "inspiration" has to do with the power of the Book or it being supernatural, then yes I believe that was also preserved into the KJV. If "inspiration" means God breathed then I'm not sure what you mean by the inspiration being preserved.I think we believe the same thing. No need to argue about it.
hylander07 1 year ago
schaap is a heretic
usmcbess 1 year ago
Dr James White´s book
"the king james only controversy"
is maybe the most brilliant and still easy to read book
about this topic
God bless you folks
on whatever side you stand!
Mikel
FallaciesDetective 1 year ago
Definitely you don't want a bible version that omits entire verses like Acts 8 verse 37. Go guys hurry! Go check your bibles!
MeisterLeitung 1 year ago
Man, that is GOOD PREACHING from Dr. Al Lacy! I always enjoyed his preaching and I'm so glad you put this video up. I'm glad I'm not the only one that is confused - Schaap is really a disgrace to fundamental baptists. How can it be a "side issue"? Oh would to God that all preachers and men of God say that same thing Al Lacy said, "You are afriad to go to war!!" The other perversions take away from the Diety of Christ. I don't see how any baptist can turn into a sissy. We need MEN!
sandbar3000 1 year ago
You are correct, Catholic doctrine has nothing to do with the King James Bible. The divistion of the KJB is a baptist thing. May be I should read this book - I don't know. I just know that Schaap is so different from his father in law and I think preacher would be rolling in his grave. It seems Schaap has gone soft!!! It does seem like many Fundamental baptists are changing and going soft.
sandbar3000 1 year ago
The KJV was translated by Anglicans from Hebrew and Greek in 1611 A.D. Why should Baptists believe that the Anglicans correctly translated it? Baptists believe that Anglicans got it wrong in so many ways, such as episcopacy, infant baptism, prayer for the dead, King James called head of the church, etc. They even persecuted Baptists. So why should Baptists believe the Anglicans got it right when they translated the Scriptures?
bardinja1 1 year ago
PEOPLE. please argue about something more important than this. I've been more moved, spiritually, by other versions..and NO God has not punished me for using an ESV. There are more important issues out there!!!
ammarcou1 1 year ago
Thankyou so much for putting this video together its what KJV Bible belivers needed to hear about what Jack believes so many "christians" follow him like he is god.
They go around talkin about Peter Ruckman and Gale Riplinger and they dont know nothin about them.God bless and if you would message me back thanks.
shiznit480 1 year ago
Foolish retards! You ain't got God an you never will without that precious KJV
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God! An I believe there's only one God!
NateG0992 1 year ago
FYI: I didnt make the comment on here, someone used my account without my ok.
junkerjunk 1 year ago
whoever believes this is just as messed up Schaap is!! I def. wont be sending my kids to this so called "Bible College".
vanfam06 1 year ago
God showed in the Bible that the copy is just as inspired as the original. All scripture is given by inspiration
TheConservativesrock 1 year ago
Wow. What idolatry of the KJV! Do you really believe that the word of God is preserved in an English translation rather than in the words the men inspired by God wrote?
Naiant 1 year ago
@Naiant I believe God would inpire His word in an alive language, not a dead one.
TheConservativesrock 1 year ago
@TheConservativesrock
So at what point did the version in the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic stop being the word of God?
Naiant 1 year ago
@Naiant Where did you get that from? I never said that at all.
TheConservativesrock 1 year ago
@Naiant did Moses PERFECTLY translate his conversations he had w/ Pharoh in egyptian into hebrew?
filoIII 1 year ago
You should really view the entire talk that was given before you jump to the false conclusion that Dr Schaap believes the KJV isn't inspired. The errors that Dr. Schaap are reffering to are printing mistakes (mis-spelled words, etc.) He later definitively says the KJV is the preserved word of God.
The videos are available here:
youtube dot com / user / WordofGod1611
tjhammond 1 year ago
Who inspired the KJV's predecessor, the Geneva Bible, which was used by the Pilgrims who came to America and which King James reportedly loathed?
horatiodreamt 1 year ago
I am no biblical scholar, but a lot of what Schaap says is just common sense.
fileboy2002 1 year ago
@fileboy2002 common sense is the following. The KJV is the Bible. The Bible is inspired. Therefore, the KJV is inspired and you are not Mormon for calling the KJV inspired.
TheConservativesrock 1 year ago
Well Jleu777, I'm thankful that you defend your position with such a Christ-like spirit. Hopefully, there are some who come to know Christ through it. :~)
gspostma 1 year ago
In Vulgate, James is Jacovus, = Jacob.
In Spanish Jacovus should = Jacobo; instead Santiago, Diego, & Jaime evolved from Jacovus.
Some think the KJV was (is) propaganda to associate King with both bible & Apostle.
Lastly at some point, with only Kingly approval to do so, the butchered the bible; threw out books despite approx. 1330 years of use.
Yes beautiful and worthy but Book of Common Prayer is also monarch-centric.
Despite the great scholarship, the KJV Bible
Hkepfer 1 year ago
jack schaap is a disgrace for independent fundemental baptist
2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. King James Bible
neighbor amen i dont care if jack schaap likes or not or any other jack schaap out of hell followers amen amen amen
MrLONGHORNS7 1 year ago
The KJB is the final authority. Who rebukes the scholars? Who can rebuke someone who has "studied". The word of God (if you got one)! The psudeo-scholars are still looking for it in dead languages and worn out mss. They "would not have this one to reign over them" cause "the common people heard him gladly" "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
unemployed562789000 1 year ago
There are many who comment on textual criticism and Bible translation who have never completed an in depth, non-bias study on the issues. Studying specific cultures, and specific leaders of specific movements and then making an "inspired proclamation" is not an in depth study of the translation process nor of textual criticism. No matter which side you are on, do not listen to a few men of the same view, rather seek truth, wherever truth leads.
jamesdw18 1 year ago
Never thought I would see the day that I would agree with Schaap.
apsullivan0517 1 year ago
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bull shit this dumb mother fucker dont know shit fuck him and fuck you if you like him he dont know shit on anything gods a appinion you cant say its right unless it is witch it isnt and cant be proved so fuck you bitch zacceus360 is my aim got a problem hit me up
zacceus360 1 year ago
I use to respect this guy. Not anymore! His is a Bible corrector and a heretic.
TheBibledefender 1 year ago 2
@TheBibledefender Absolutely wrong, bro. Pastor Schaap is absolutely right. What, was Jesus born in 1611? If you call the KJV the perfect version, then the others are worthless. Was anyone that was led by the apostles on the day of Pentecost, saved by the KJV? Sorry man, that doesn't fly.
Of course, you can call the Bible a liar, and say the Pentecost didn't happen. You're saying there's no other perfect translations jleu777. So you're calling anything the disciples wrote worthless for saving.
TheKaighen 10 months ago
@TheKaighen The Word of God is perfect, because Jesus is perfect. If you don't have a perfect Word then Jesus is not in it. Peter spake the Words of God at Pentecost and are recorded in the KJV and are preserved in English perfectly. Yes, those saved at Pentecost heard the Words of God by Peter's mouth and they are recorded in the KJV perfectly. Remember, there were many languages spoken and heard as the "Spirit gave them utterance". The Word Peter spake were God's Words preserved in the KJV
locustweed 9 months ago
The nut in the second half of the video, however, is guilty of misrepresenting and defiling God's Word. That passage has been ripped from its context and twisted into the mold of that preacher's own personal opinion. Jesus' words in that passage are not in reference in any way to His Word, but to literal swords. If anyone is guilty of defiling God's Word, it is the man spouting of his opinons in the second part of the video, rather than proclaiming what "thus saith the Lord."
jaustinwatts 1 year ago
@jaustinwatts
I disagree, jaustinwatts, Although you can take any scripture out of context to prove anything, You also gotta consider that all scripture was given for reproof,etc.etc... and instrustion in righteousness. He is definently giving righteous instuctions by telling people to get a sword (the KJB). Also, notice how Paul takes some OT sripture out of context at times to prove a point. Yes, its in there. Look at Pauls OT quotes.
unemployed562789000 1 year ago
What Schaap is saying actually makes sense (I never thought I'd say that). It's actually logical and it's true. The Authorized English Version is not inspired, but a well-preserved translation of the original text.
jaustinwatts 1 year ago
@jaustinwatts
No. it is an inspired translation. If it were not, these guys would'nt be comparing every "New" International peice of crap on the market to the KJB. Why not just compare it to the latest, newest, more correct, "easier to understand" bibles?
unemployed562789000 1 year ago
@unemployed562789000
The innerant infallible word of God is in the original. The KJV is a translation. If a person tries to make it something it does not it is not, that's wrong. There are other word for word translations besides the KJV. I love the KJV. I still preach from it. I study the NASB. The best modern translation. I am not interested in Ruckmanism
hatfieldadam 1 year ago
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The Bible says that humans are made of dirt.
And that snakes and donkeys talk.
And that insects have 4 legs.
And that bats are birds.
And that the earth is flat.
And that the sun revolves around the earth.
And people wrangle about which VERSION to read?
Amazing.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
that was one hell of a carnival
jakeisdead 1 year ago
Learn your history over 5000 greek texts have been found only 8 were used to compile the textus receptus which by the way was compiled by Erasmus a catholic priest who dedicated the text to the
Pope. King James was a wicked power hungry man who thought if he gave the people a bible in there own language he could be king forever. the men who translated the textus receptus into our english 1611 King James Bible were brilliant scholarars but most of them weren`t even saved. Preserved not inspire.
junkerjunk 1 year ago
Learn your history, buddy. You think the KJV was created form Jeromes TR? The KJV was created from numerous manuscripts at the time. The TR most "KJV people" dote on wasnt compiled until years after the KJV was written.
Excellent conspiracy about King James though. I bet you think he was a fag too eh? Did you also buy into the Zeitgeist movie?
jleu777 1 year ago
junkerjunk2, Don't waste your time here. These people refuse to face the facts. Desiderious Erasmus, Beza and Stephanus did indeed provide translations from Byzantine texts. Erasmus died a faithful catholic... and the last 6 vesus are missing from all of the remaining MSS, so they did indeed come from the Vulgate. These people don't want to deal in facts though. They prefer division.
Excellent try tough.
SkiesVibrant 1 year ago
@junkerjunk
Get off the crack you can't prove what you have said dude. You are dead wrong about King James I the number of mss that Erasmus had and wrong about the KJV translators. You are not Jesus don't start taking his place in the Judgement Seat!
kingseller1 1 year ago
@junkerjunk You cannot have preservation and leave behind inspiration.
TheConservativesrock 1 year ago
@junkerjunk Bullcrap. King James was not wicked, and the Tr is derived from older texts.
trancemajestic 1 year ago
@junkerjunk It's funny how you claim for others to know history when you clearly don't. 1st. Desiderius Erasmus forced into Catholic priesthood by his father, was one of the worst priests there was he never kept vigils, he never hesitated to eat meat on Fridays, & he refused to function as a priest. In fact he is the one who wrote "Against The Barbarians" which was a tract against the pope. 2nd King James told his son,"Diligently read HIS Word and earnestly pray for the understanding thereof."
2056president 1 year ago
@junkerjunk I think y'all need to read the 11,784 word preface in the KJV which mind you, was written by the 1611 translators. They SPECIFICALLY admit, that it is not an accurate translation. So where do all of you yahoos get off calling it an accurate translation when the men who did the translation said it is only a revision of some of the other english versions, along with about a dozen manuscripts? I'd rather take their word over yours. Bet your pastor didn't tell ya that one!
MrJamarine 1 year ago
@MrJamarine Then where is THE WORD OF GOD? Jesus said you must "live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". There must be an every-word Bible somewhere-- preserved the way God said it. Psalm 12:6-7 Did Matthew know his gospel account was actually the Word of God? Do you believe Matthews gospel is the Word of God?
locustweed 10 months ago
That does not hold water when the whole thing about the Alexanderian line is the minority and the 5000 in the Byzantine family.What you could say could be bad but they really did not have computers let alone a mail system. BTWErasmus did seperate fromthe Catholics and all his works judged as heresy.Read about him-being a vagabound with no education and millions dying or being educated and able to make money-I would think I would also be Catholic.Am not KJVO but truth does not play favorites
daveme7 1 year ago
listen to everything and quit cutting videos
sofiabpatterson 1 year ago 2
Schaap should be thanking me for cutting his videos. This way people only hear 10 min. of his stupidity at a time.
jleu777 1 year ago
wow! what is this!?!?! why on earth would you attack the man of God??? he is right buddy! and even if he was'nt correct you have NO right of attacking God's man!
troynliz 1 year ago
@jleu777 ...............hey the man is reaching the world with the gospel. what are you doing for God? when was the last time you lead sombody to christ? insted of atacking the people of God....wont you do somthing for God and help make a diference!!! you will anser to God.U sound like a God hater? shut up and preach! lisen to my testimony : testimony of julio garcia .....on youtube)......that took place under jacks preaching! then show me a changed life because of ur preaching! RIPPED!
chibaptist 9 months ago
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None of the authors of the books contained in the Bible were divine. This means the Bible is not the Word of God, those men were inspired of the Holy Spirit, but they were still human, Inspired to write due to an experience with God. Knowledge is not more important than experience. For about 1300 years there was no New Testament, but today it is worshiped as if it were God. Worship God in Spirit and in Truth, not in false teaching.
godizgr8 1 year ago
This individual has probably been placed in his office (by the subverters and Christ-haters behind the scenes) to help destroy Christianity. That's what I think.
joroma77 2 years ago
Thanks for the soundbite. Now put the entire video up so these honest people can see what Dr Schaap is really talking about. If God spoke, "inspired", the KJV then who's to say He's not still inspiring Bibles. By the way Dr Schaap has never said the KJV is not preserved. His whole point is that God promised to preserve His words. If you honestly think that God spoke the English Bible then you are a heretic!!! Watch the entire video!
hylander07 2 years ago
Links to the whole sermons are in the sidebar idiot. I actaully encourage everyone to listen to the whole thing. There was too much material to fit in a 10 min video.
Sincere people will realize Jock Straap is a cocky liar. After this whole KJV thing everyone knows it. Only a handful of effeminate, snot nosed "preacher boys" that go to that crap hole even follow him
Everyone else is baling on HAC right and left. I One more generation max before its the next Liberal... er "Liberty" University
jleu777 1 year ago
@jleu777 Dude, is your response to hylander07 Christ like?
I am guilty of the same, and often, but you're running a Christian youtube channel brother, and many unbelievers who watch us closely, see your replies.
Never mind me, go to the Lord about it.
God Bless you bro..
TheSevnthWarrior 1 year ago
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mjchildersjr 1 year ago
@jleu777 I don't agree with some things either but I would be scared to be you calling a preacher a jock straap and a cocky liar he probably has done more for God with one hair on his head than you have done in ten of your lifetimes..
mjchildersjr 1 year ago
@jleu777 this is good I like it I believe KJV is the preserved word.
frnzkuester 1 year ago
@hylander07 If God can preserve His Words why can't He preserve the inspiration therein?
2056president 1 year ago
@hylander07 God never took his breath from His preserved Word. Inspiration follows preservation. It was Holy men of God who "spake" as moved by the Holy Ghost. The Word they "spake" was inspired not the men. Only the inspired Word was preserved; preservation is nothing if it is not also inspired. The "originals" are a myth--The originals are settled in heaven and if you were to go and see them there you would see the Lord Jesus Christ with a sharp two-edged sword in His mouth.
locustweed 9 months ago
also(just to state a fact) Nobody knows what god's word is...god doesnt interact with us to tell us, its the word of the people that created the building blocks of the type of religion, anybody that claims to of talked to god is a mental case, or a liar or is so full of themselves that they themselves think they are special and actually believe they are god and what they say is gods word...Its all fiction, too much of fiction is bad for you, it may be hard to face reality but,grow up?
MadMAn12gauge 2 years ago
why does it matter if it has errors or not? or if its accurate or not? its a frickin fictional story book, so who cares if theres any errors in it, it would be a problem if a real history book had errors im all for cleanup there. but the bible isnt a non-fiction account of history, it is a fictional belief of it, so it doesnt really matter it's accuracy
MadMAn12gauge 2 years ago
Fundamental, Independent Baptist believe in the KJV only!
He is a heretic and a hireling!
Camel76 2 years ago
What a joke. Typical fundamentalist preaching. Lots of accusations, lots of screaming, lots of name-calling. Unfortunately - no content or bible usage. I'm always amazed at how much fundamentalists want to fight for, with, and about the Bible, but use it so little. I feel so sorry for people who are blinded by such ignorant arguments. For you KJV only people, I simply ask - "How were people saved prior to 1611?"
t1up4me 2 years ago
go read new age bible versions by gail riplinger !
southofheaven88 2 years ago
Good video.
Thanks for posting and also for standing for God's PERFECT English Bible, the KJV!
husky394xp 2 years ago
So is he saying we all need to learn greek and hebrew and aramaic in order to read the bible?
tonyb408 2 years ago
If only Jack Hyles were still here. He built the church on The Book , now scaap's trying to change The book. I encourage you to listen to " get your stinkin feet out of my drinkin water" by Hyles it's red hot.
Cea54 2 years ago
True Thats the problem with bible college though other than its nowhere in the bible
Once the 1st generation dies you have to leave it to someone "And who knoweth whether he shall be a wise man or a fool?"
I've been told there were professors toward the end of hyles career that didnt hold to the book either so even then it was slipping away Hyles never changed though, I liked his sermon "How We Got God's Word" It was one of the last sermons he preached maybe the last and proves schaap a liar
jleu777 2 years ago
you have got to be kidding me!! this is ridiculous!!! why would somebody preach from a book they dont believe to be inspired of God???
ffdnj2012 2 years ago
22 000 mistakes? List them.
joroma77 2 years ago
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BFoxx77 2 years ago
sooo.... independent fundamental preaching = criticizing other preachers?
Awenasa2 2 years ago
This so called preacher Jack Schaap who is saying that the Bible is not true ! This fellow need to buy him some Knomex [fire proof clorthing] under ware and over hauls for he will need them where he is going.
If you think the Bible is not true in it's totality from beginning to end. Just go down to McDonald and get you a job flipping burgers for a living and stop preaching. rthe Bible is Totally True or Totally False, Nothing in the Middle.
turtle4aire 2 years ago
Please don't reply again without Bible to back up your points. Don't waste my time with quotes and teachings of "Godly men"
streetpreacher1611 2 years ago
What didn't you understand.
Yes or no; Does the Bible say all scripture is given by inspiration of God?
Yes or no; Does the Bible ever use the word scripture when referring to something other than the originals?
What did I interpret? Scripture with Scripture tells you 100%, without interpretation that:
1) Something other than the originals can be inspired
2) Schapp is a liar and most importantly Anti Biblical in saying only originals are inspired
streetpreacher1611 2 years ago
He says only original is inspired and that KJV is a translation and Can Not be inspired. The Bible proves him wrong on this. Jesus Christ in Luke 4, Timothy, the Eunuch, and the Bereans DID NOT HAVE THE ORIGINALS. LOL!!! But the Bible said they had scripture, and the Bible says ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD!! Ruckman's right, BBF, Sword of the Lord, Hyles/Schapp crowd is wrong, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE anyway
streetpreacher1611 2 years ago
I sent FBC an e-mail twice 100% refuting Schapp's position in his own words, of course they never responded.
He points out in one of his books that Jesus Christ had scripture, and that it WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL. Well, according to God's definition of scripture, (ALL scripture is given by INSPIRATION OF GOD), than that means that there is something inspired that IS NOT THE ORIGINAL. Jesus(LK.4) Bereans(Acts 17) Tim(II Tim 3) and Eunuch(Acts 8) all had inspired NON ORIGINALS. Proves Schaap a liar
streetpreacher1611 2 years ago
i reAD THE KING JAMES BIBLE BUT HAVE seen people be lead to the LOrd with the niv are u telling me that they arent saved cause they didnt get saved by reading the " real bible".....
kenkai76133 2 years ago
I thought that was Bro. Al Lacy! What a great preacher!
sandbar3000 2 years ago
all fundamentalism is now days is a pep rally of memeories it hurts me cause all they do is fight ... and in no way Can GOD be glorified by this video
kenkai76133 2 years ago
This video was made for one thing: To keep HAC grads from sending their kids there for thinking "Its all a misunderstanding... they still believe the same about the bible"
People like you that have already drunk the coolaid and fight against men of God that believe we still have a bible might as well mosey along because you wont like anything this vid has to offer.
jleu777 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this video! Seems that old HAC is falling away. . .from the good ole Book
sandbar3000 2 years ago
it baffals me how fundamentalism is dieing... the reason is because of childish mencing from the narrartor of this video. in he bible JESUS... said why fight against those who are not against us... fundamentalism is just as bad as the catholics in the dark ages... controling people saying women are wrong for wearing skirts and blacks and whites shouldnt marry some one probably is on there way to hell beacause of this video BRo. schaap is a man of God and ur e going against a man of God..
kenkai76133 2 years ago
As u kno people have changed the torah and bible, thus corrupted it. But Let it be known that The Qur'an is the Preserved and Last Book/Testament/Revelation of God All-Mighty. It is the truth in all matters. I invite everyone to sincerely read The Qur'an with an open heart (without bias or agenda) and see. May God Guide you. Ameen. God Willing! Peace.
LoveAllahMost 2 years ago
You criticize Bro. Schaap, but you do not address the issues he brings up. I want to know if this is true. I