your disingenuous challenge below, it wasn't the US (or the British SAS) or the Nat'l Guard (though distinctions are growing ever smaller) who used tanks on American citizens during Waco... FBI most likely,
For verification look up the roles played by military personnel, including helicopters.. You'll find "Observers", "Advisors", "Distraction Maneuvers", "Tanks de-weaponized", etc.
It's you who should leave the country chief, there's a place already running things the way you like, accordi
from engaging the American people in combat.. (back in the 90's it was even honored... almost all the time!!) as much as that may bother you. I say "back in the 90's" of course because of the over 50,000 pieces of legislation (much of which was meant to destroy these rights you hate so much) passed during the Bush Admin, and now Bush # 3 has done his best to whittle away that which is left. So to your obvious approval, tyranny may soon (fully) prevail over the American people.
pertaining to Life, Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness (Property was the original term decided upon). Someday you may be able to sport your "I -3 Martial Law!" shirt as you stroll the barricaded streets and get scanned through the check points. However until then we still have a tiny semblance of life under the the original design for the USA, despite folks like you.
I seem to remember, and I doubt I'm alone, something called POSSE COMITATUS along with the INSURRECTION ACT preventing US troops
@cazk88 "Fool...you go find me a policy that says American troops or the National Guard can't use tanks on American citizens."
Calm down there, chief. Its obvious how badly you want this to be true, and NOW! This "Gov't" and it's latest administrations have been working day and night in overdrive to make your dreams come true by blotting out all trace of the Constitution & Bill of Rights. Thanks to it's loyal zealots, such as yourself, things are clickin' right along to dismantle everything p
the atf scum deserved everything they got. pedophiles, cultists, what ever, they still did good and im glad they made the world a safer place by killing those agents.
Koresh was a pedophile, also if they did not have a stockpile of guns, then who shot at the ATF. They burnt there own place down when they knew they had no way out.
Another false flag type operation designed to get the people to allow the passing of the Patriot Act and other civil liberties eliminators. Sho0rt and sweet. Read The Secret Terrorist by Bill Hughes. The Roman Church and the Jesuits are the real issue. Once you read that you'll see how everything comes together.
The ATF has zero credibility. Look at what they did just recently, they sold arms to various members of a drug cartel, got caught, and then lied about...Sorry, but I don't believe anything that they say..over and out....
David Koresh, wow. Used children to shield him for all of those years. He says God will have to deal with those ATF members? Well, Satan is dealing with you sir! Have Nice Day! "Quote; FPS Russia"
Also check out what happened in Philadelphia in May 1985. "THE BOMBING OF MOVE: URBAN WARFARE IN PHILADELPHIA." The government agencies not only bombed the MOVE house, but they burned down the whole neighborhood, 61 HOUSES! They were supposed to be issuing arrest warrants on 4 people, but came to the MOVE house with stockpiles of weapons, "percussion devices"(bombs), teargas, etc. Very interesting story that I am just reading about. I don't remember anything on the news about it in 1985.
Lucifer attacks God through his creation. There's the Truth and counterfiet truth. Only God can reveal Truth. You got to love the Truth to believe it. I will never believe what media has to say on anything. A tree is known by it's fruit. Jesus says my sheep know my voice. This Koresh guy human and wrong to fight with guns. Ther are 3 kinds of people-Unbeliever, Scoffers and Believers. 3 points of view Worldy, Devine and religious. Which one are you?
One less cult in the worlds sounds good to me. Only if we still killed Christians like the Romans did than we wouldn't have so many uneducated idiots running around. Religion is a social poison in the modern age and when people step in to deal with issues the crazies go and burn their own crap down.
The sad part is a "good" fed cop, said: The innocent men, woman, & KIDS that the US GOV'T MURDERED, didnt have to die over a BATF firearms form, a fucking piece of paper!... Koresh went to town EVERY DAY to get the mail.... HE could have been arrested or nabbed by the cops very easily. BUT OHHHHHHHH HELL NO,... they had to make a huge production outa it. "RUBY RIDGE" the FBI murdered innocent US citizens as well, over a missed court date, A CLERICAL ERROR & the FED'S showing "WHO's BOSS".
The US government did not authorize to burn down anything. If you look at the footage, the flames were started (from the interior) at different sectors of the building. The FBI had no advantages of that magnitude. They used tanks that released tear gas that is inflammable!
@CazK88 Then why did a passing airplane with a thermal camera photograph the fires starting where they were punching holes to fire tear gas? And why did they catch soldiers (or SWAT, or whoever) firing weapons into the entrances of the building?
The fires were started because the Davidians felt the FBI was going to enter where the holes were punched. And since the tear gas caused them to not be able to see, they threw the flames as their defense to deter from the FBI. Again, the flames were started from the interior in areas where the FBI had no access. If the FBI started the fires, it would've been from the exterior. Everyone was firing all over the place!
@CazK88 They violated EVERYTHING.There was no evidence at all of 'child abuse',this was a lie created by the mainstream media and the atf to discredit the Davidians and to justify their completley illegal raid.
The Davidians held them hostage. And brainwashing the children that you saw in those videos is a type of child abuse. They psychologically abused these children and older adults into believing he was the Messiah. I give no credit to the media at all, as they said many things that today they don't even report. That's what they do, but the ATF did what they could do given what they had. This was the largest hostage situation they ever had to do.
@CazK88 Again,there has never been any evidence of 'brainwashing',or any kind of abuse.That was what the atf had to feed the mainstream so they would be looked upon as heros.As I said before,the raid was completley unjustified and illegal.Blasting the sound of rabbits being slaughtered?Is that not 'psychological abuse'?The atd did what they had to?Burn innocent men,women and children alive?
@JanBelupo Excuse me, but the videos David Koresh filmed with kids and making them worship his beliefs is a form of brainwashing and psychological abuse! The ATF had nothing to do with Koresh filming this. It was played on the media to show the public what the Davidians did to these people. Find me a law that states this was illegal! The ATF reacted this way because they lost patience. How is this any different from the justified Little Bohemia gun battle?! The ATF did not burn that compound!
@CazK88 Excuse me,where is this footage of 'brainwashing'?Did you not watch this video?The ATF rammed holes into the compound then hauled in grenades and tear gas,then burned the compound.How as it illegal?Check the constitution,jack.
@JanBelupo Excuse you but you are the one out of the loop! The videos with the kids who speak into the camera about their experience with him. They are being brainwashed. I've watched the entire 2 hour documentary. I know you didn't. The ATF did not burn anything. Stop being a conspiracy theorist. You find me in the constitution where they broke an amendment, Jill!
@CazK88 'You know I didn't'?How the fuck do you know?I ave watched more about Waco and read more documents about it than you ever will.Didn't you know it is illegalto use tanks against your own people?Didn't you know it is illegal to modify those tanks?Again,just because he was talking to the people who lived at the compound,how in hell is that 'brainwashing'?So the ATF burning 86 people alive is OK?Try READING the constitution instead of getting others to do all your work.
@JanBelupo Um...excuse me! I wrote a thesis paper on the siege you dickhead. Don't tell me I don't know. And I highly doubt you watched more documents than I did. As stupid as you sound, it sounds like you read more opinionated blogs than actual evidence. Idiot, the National Guard uses tanks! How the hell are you going to say its illegal to user tanks against your own people?! Koresh brainwashed the kids. If you truly saw "all" of the documentaries you would know.
@CazK88 Um...shit-for brains,you can't 'watch' documents,you READ them.Moron.Oohhh,you done a 'thesis',did you?Then I'm sure you know EVERYTHING about the siege.How am I going to say that was illegal with the tanks,um,because it was!Your obsession with 'brainwash' is ludicrious.You're the one who has been brainwashed by the mass-media and the governments lies and corruptions.Why in subsequent raids have they said things like'we don't want another Waco'?Because they fucked up big style.
@JanBelupo Um...prick, it was a typo...documentaries. Do not try to downplay my knowledge on this subject. Its your dumbass who makes the assumptions that the ATF was 100% responsible for this tragedy. You are the typical wise idiot who praises people like Koresh. I just asked your dumbass a question, so you answer it: Since the National Guard uses tanks, how can this be illegal being used by the ATF? You are a typical prick who cries injustice but can't verify why its unjust!
@CazK88 As for "all" the documentaries,most were made by pro-government propaganda machines masquerading behind publication and production companies.It's a fact that the ATF/FBI conducted an illegal raid,it's a fact they killed 86 people,23 children.It's a fact they tried to lie and cover it up with more lies,which brain-dead media zombies like yourself lapped up and bought.
@JanBelupo There you go talking about pro-government propaganda. I'm not surprised that this is coming from a liberal conspiracy theorist. You wonder why you people get no media attention? Because your philosophy is as flawed as the Mesopotamian's who thought the world was flat. There was no illegal raid. You need to READ the documents and stop WATCHING the flawed conspiracy documentaries. The feds had every right to go in because they hard a warrant to do so. Stop being a dunce and read facts!
@CazK88 I'm anything but 'liberal',and I would harldy constitute these news broadcasters like fox as being 'liberal',and I'm no 'theorist'.The raid was totallt illegal and this has been confirmed by former atf/fbi agents whoi where at the 'raid'.The 'facts' were that Koresh invited the atf to 'come look around',but they refused,because they wanted to send out a message to anyone who was minding their own business and not harming anyone and trying to get away from society that they would be
No you are a conspiracy theorist because you have no facts to back anything you say up. Thats a typical person who believes in conspiracies. You probably believe that 9/11 was an inside job too, just like you probably believe Obama is not an American citizen. The facts are that Koresh had illegal weapons that were found amid the search warrants, there were allegations of sexual abuse and these people were literally held hostage.
@JanBelupo cont..emiminated,ie Ruby Ridge,where an innocent woman with her baby in her arms got her head blew apart,and a fourteen year old boy who was running from the scene was shot in the back and murdered.It is a fact the atf/fbi acted illegally and they DID burn down the compound.Even if Koresh was 'abusing kids'(which it was proven he wasn't),that would be out of the ATF's juristiction.You seem to think it's ok to burn alive 86 people,23 children,and hang a man from a meathook.
The ATF/FBI did NOT burn down the compound. If you look at any surveillance video, specifically the video taken from the air by surveillance airplanes, you will see that the thermal imagery infrared video camera showed that a fire had started from the INTERIOR of the compound. Not the exterior. My guess is that when the ATF threw in smoke grenades, the Davidians could not see, so they may have accidentally sparked a fire from inside. Overall, ATF was NOT responsible.
@CazK88 The ATF was COMPLETLEY responsible.The atf blew in huge holes with their huge tanks,then threw in tear grass and grenades.Obviously any footage taken from the government is going to edited.What about the footage of a dead man being swung around on a rope in the air?Fact:Koresh offered the atf to come to the compound not long before the slaughter,they refused,and they procceded to murder 86 people.And all this brainwash crap,wow,it is crap,ask the survivors.And this child molesting bull
You show me the footage of the swinging man who was hung and I'll believe you. The point is, people who are anti-government find any way to blame the government for this. The point that people do not want to recognize and consider is that David Koresh was a nut...a LUNATIC! The government obviously can't tweak the phone conversations Koresh had with the police now can they? Listnen to what he believed and what he said. These are HIS own words not to words of the government.
@CazK88 If the video's on here I'll gladly show you it.I would hardly make that up.Koresh's conversations do not give the government the right to burn down a peaceful compound,killing 86 people,including 23 children.Again,what about the atf blasting sounds of rabbits being slaughtered when they knew children were in the building?Is that not 'NUTS'?
Once again the ATF did not burn anything down. If you look at the tapes, the fire came from inside the compound. The ATF fired in non-flammable tear gas to fish them out. With that many hostages in there, all they could do was use psychological warfare. The ATF tried many soft techniques first before opening fire. There is nothing wrong with that. Period.
@CazK88 Thereis everything wrong with that,peroid.Even that evil piece of shit reno had admitted she now isn't sure she done the right thing.(Duh).The fire was started by the aft blowing holes into the compound with illegally modified tanks(using tanks on your own citizens,eh?),and you are a complete hypocrite,you harp about child neglect whatever,then when I bring up the government doing it to the davidian children you say it was OK.
@JanBelupo Fool...you go find me a policy that says American troops or the National Guard cannot use tanks on American citizens. Go find me a policy that outlaws the use of lethal force during martial law! The ATF acted responsibly in that there first move was not using force. They waited literally 2 months, and tried many techniques they could before using force. The Davidians shot at them first - which gave ATF every right to fire back. The smoke grenades were non-flammable!
@CazK88 Where have I mentioned anything about conspiracies?You're just another boring,my-government's-never-wrong asshat whom the very scumbags you are defending are laughing at your gullabilty.Type in -Bill Hicks on Waco here on YT to sum it up
Everything about you is a conspiracy. You are a walking conspiracy because you don't know a damn thing about what happened on that day. What you read are blogs from twisted individuals - the same people who pay to listen to jerks like the 9/11 truthers and the Obama birthers. I can acknowledge my government is wrong...but on this case I am saying they acted within their rights and means. It's nut-jobs like yourself who hate this country and commit treason everyday you commie.
@CazK88 Because I don't agree with 86 people (23 children) being murdered illegally by the government I'm a 'commie'?Grow up.I know more about what happened on that day than you,and thats a fact.You don't know what I read,so you can stop telling me what I do and don't do.It's your precious government who commit treason by using the contstitution as toilet paper.This 86 is just a drop in the ocean,what about all the innocent civilians killed in NATO 'raids' in the former Yugoslavia,the civilians
You don't know a damn thing. This is why you are wrong. Go read a book. This debate has been over months ago, you jerk. You are a commie by the way you think. Don't sit up here and throw all these charges at me like I'm the damn Attorney General. Go right Eric Holder with your bullshit. I don't wanna hear it. The point is; 98% of what you say is the same dark green that comes out my ass! Go somewhere you imbecile.
@CazK88 cont..murdered in the illegal wars perpetuated upon Afghanistan,Iraq,Vietnam etc.Your beloved govenment is laughing at the gullabilty of morons like you.
I tell you what you can do...leave this country. How about that? Have you considered living in Russia, China or Iran? All because of your insecurities of this country? It's people like you who commit treason because of your discontent with the way things are here. If you're not satisfied, take your phony ass elsewhere. People like you make me sick. There are millions of foreigners who would love to take your place. Make them happy by leaving you wanker.
@CazK88 Iv'e a better idea..you go dig a big hole,and jump in it.Anyone who thinks the government is wrong is a 'commie'.You sound like some idiot from the 50's.You won't accept your government is the biggest war criminal of all.Using tanks on it's own people?It's people like you who don't adhere to the constitution but pretend to be this all-American citizen.You're nothing but a bullshitter who knows jackshit.
@JanBelupo Haha. You're ignorance amuses me. If you criticize me for being a patriot, then what does that make you? A treasonist! It's nut-jobs like you who still argue over the Civil War and wish the Confederacy prospered throughout the indigenous United States. You're also that idiot who drains their beliefs into 9/11 truthers and think the government had everything to do with it. That's what a treasonist is my friend...and you ARE bullshit!
@JanBelupo If you actually know about the Waco siege, you would realize that these "Tanks" are not the standard made tanks. They were customized for this type of siege which only was to ram into the building for the hostages to run out, but primarily used to throw in tear gas. The flames started from inside and in areas where the ATF had NO access to from the exterior. It's jerks like you who is knee-deep into this conspiracy shit, and fail to know the facts.
@CazK88 Fully automatic weapons fired from helicopters. Positions set so when people leave they're shot. A door that vanished that would have proven the direction of the initial shots., and you call it conspiracy shit? Just like Ruby Ridge huh, conspiracy shit?
@CazK88 Sorry bro but here is sort of where you're wrong. One of the documentaries shown on this shows strategic points that the tanks broke into so that the fire would hit hard and blaze crazily. Also 40mm projectiles are found near and in the building, yknow shot from underbarrels on guns or from grenade launchers themselves, possibly starting the fire. One more thing, ATF were laying down fire so that Davidians couldn't leave the building. Shown from an above viewpoint. Clearly.
So tell me then...why would the ATF have a strategy in mind to kill the hostages? The Davidians had weapons inside the compound and had every intention to possibly kill the hostages but most importantly kill the police force. Had it not been for the tanks to give the hostages a way out, it would've been much worse.
@CazK88 Are you serious right now? Weapons and intention of killing hostages but more importantly the police force??? I mean where to you get your info? Do you work for them or are you just that clueless?
@CazK88 Try the constitution...fool.The atf fired first everybody knows that and wasn't it just peachy for scum like you that that shitbag lon horiuchi who blew away an unarmed mother's head while carrying her baby and a 13-14 year old boy in the back as he was running away at Ruby Ridge was there to 'protect' your 'rights and freedom'
You name me an amendment to the constitution that outlaws this fool...You have no proof that the ATF fired first I can guarantee you. And shallow minded wankers like yourself know nothing about how a force is to conduct an operation. The ATF waited and waited and waited and had given Koresh several warnings. He held these people hostage and he had weapons planning to do damage because he knew the Feds would be after him. You find this right? You're a stupid idiot!
@CazK88 Regardless of who started the fire this shouldn't have happened. They weren't hurting anyone and these cunts we call the ATF had no business there.
@CazK88 It was provocation, plain and simple. I'm not sure how you could sympathize with these scum fucks that killed so many women and children in cold blood when the evidence is clear. Sure Koresh was crazy, but this was all on the ATF and the Clinton administration. SHEEP
Oh please...you sound like a typical republicunt! ATF did not kill women and children...Stick to the source.. Had it not been Koresh who held those innocent men, women and children hostage it would never have happened!
@CazK88 Republicunt?? FYI I do not associate with any political party, The ONLY candidates I would ever vote for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich . Right or left it doesn't matter, the two party system is there for illusion of choice, and to divide us.
Our government has been doing shit like this for quite some time, and it is progressively getting worse. If you think otherwise then DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH!
Well what the fuck do you think democracy brings? Freedom of speech, differences of opinion, the RIGHT to disagree. If you hate what this country stands for, ie CHOICE, then go to China where you can get jailed in a modern day gulag for doing what you do best on YouTube...ACT A DAMN FOOL and standing up against your government. Try that in Syria right now. Do YOUR damn research fool.
@CazK88 I don't disagree with what this country USED to be about (freedom, liberty, standing up to tyrannical government) besides the fact that it was founded on thievery. I realize it could be much worse, but don't tell us we are free when really, we are not. We are modern age slaves and democracy is dead whether you think so or not. If you think the government cares about us you are sadly mistaken.
Look into TV mind control, seems like they already have a grasp on you
Nothing has changed about how this country goes about freedom and liberty. You still have it. The first amendment is still here! You are just an unpatriotic and ungrateful SOB who has no faith in this country. You talk as if you were born yesterday...we have gone through hard times before. YOU are the one brainwashed by fixed news.
@CazK88 You are the one that thinks the Branch davidians started the fire, yet you tell me i am brainwashed by the news. See the irony there? JFK, Ruby Ridge etc. amongst many more examples, you can't tell me something isn't wrong. I love this country, not our corrupt government.
You are the only one in the comments defending the murderers. so GTFO you ATF troll
You are the one who is unpatriotic. You fail to realize it is the government who preserves and protects our freedoms. They are the pioneers of crafting this country, and its people like yourself and I to hold our government accountable to ensure the sustainability of our freedoms and rights! You are a stupid and idiotic American who cares less about this country. The ATF acted as they should've. The Davidians killed those people and you know it!
@CazK88 Did the warrant, which was proven to be based on false allegations say "kill everyone"? I'm not sure how this stuff works. Did that warrant give the ATF the "right" to execute women and children? Just wondering...
The ATF knew what they were dealing with. The men had weapons in there. The feds called them and warned them and Koresh kept making threats. Listen to the phone conversations. The tapes are public! The warrant gave the ATF a right to enter the compound, but Koresh's people threatened the ATF and that's when it got nasty. If a federal entity has court order to enter your home, you cooperate! Something they did not do.
Please watch the documentary Waco The Rules of Engagement. This documentary will prove that the Branch Davidians were murdered by the ATF and FBI. These devils will be judged by God.
Where's the proof the weapons were illegal? And why was the military on domestic soil? In this country, you're innocent until PROVEN guilty. This was a War on American citizens and I'm ashamed to say that other American citizens didn't even arrive to keep the government in check. Government officials who stood by while this was going on and those who participated should be in prison.
Understand that child abuse allegations aren't the jurisdiction of the FBI, BATF or the military. Understand that David Koresh could have been arrested away from the compound. In fact, the feds lied about drugs on the property, which brought in the helicopters and tanks. These people hadn't broken any laws and the people responsible for the murder of American citizens should be in prison.
This was absolute murder by our government...innocent children should have been gotten out of there alive, and this was handled all very badly. Maybe Koresh was a lunatic? Who knows? But our government is worse...and they are bigger than any self-proclaimed prophet and far more dangerous!
@whatanightmare1 who gives a fuck about the children,and women in there,i sure as hell dont. they all got what they deserved,hanging around that pedo davey Koresh,if they`re all peace loving why they got 200+ guns,gas masks,etc? fucking nuff nuff`s religious fruit cakes,fuck `em! Well done ATF,Police,etc.....right on!
@whatanightmare1 Fucking idiot. We don't need their bullshit religion. We don't need religion at all. Those kids would have taught it to their kids and so on. They should all be shot. Anybody who believes in god should be shot. Child, woman, men, leaders. Everybody. They didn't handle it bad. Only upper and middle class deserve anything good. Lower class should be put into slavery.
These people did nothing illegal. Both Bill and Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno should be in prison. And for good measure, throw little Chuckie Schumer in prison with them...anyone who claims a flash bang grenade is not an incendiary shouldn't see the light of day for the rest of their natural life for just being stupid.
@uastudy You do understand that most if not all of the firearms were illegal. Not to mention the countless alligations of child abuse. If you really believe the bullshit this video is saying then you may friend are an idiot.
Also, if you don't think they had automatic weapons, break down the sound's during the initial gunfight, you can clearly hear automatic fire that is not coming from the ATF's MP5's.
@HK3StarGeneral you didnt see the picture of the girls burnt to a fucking crisp did you or the burnt remains of almost all the weapons which were still in the basement and you could tell they werent machine guns by the barrel if you want to be a jackass and support the very thing which removes rights over time then be my guest but many innocent people died that day even regular people know that they fucked up and killed alot of plus atf is a bunch of fucking idiots cant u tell
@thegreatkurt2013 First off what are you talking about when you say barrel's? Not many weapons can be identified as being automatic/semi-automatic by just looking at the barrel. Also, David was said to have locked most of his followers in the building when the fire started. Not to mention that when the ATF agents first attempted to raid the building, they were fired upon, 4 of which later died.
@HK3StarGeneral by barrels i meant the metal components and yes i can tell by the sight on a rifle most didnt have any sights which meant they were supposed to be outfitted with scopes 2 did you see the part where the atf agent shoots himself in the leg they at least werent prepared in any way for this and i bet you got the information that he locked them in from the brass of course they would lie they fucked up man and also the man who was gunned down trying to run and his body was left laying
@thegreatkurt2013 First off dude you need to catch up a bit on your weapon knowledge. Second, I would love to respond to you but I really can not make out what exactly your talking about because your english is awful.
@HK3StarGeneral weapon knowledge man your getting to be really really insulting now i reload my own bullets dude now maybe down to exact ballistics im not perfect but other than that im a fanatic dude hell ive met people like you before i can guarantee you i know more about firearms than you ok and seriously they didnt have automatic weapons dude you may not be able to tell what type of gun on is just from the most basics but i can ok
@thegreatkurt2013 Coming from the dude that said weapons with no front iron site's are never automatic because they require scopes...... I highly doubt anything you say. All your doing is saying that you "know" yet you sight no specific example's.
300 firearm's were found within the compound. I'm an avid gun collecter with a class 3 FFL, and I own 13 firearm's in total. Please, attempt to refute this fact.
@HK3StarGeneral also do you honestly think if most of the guns were illegal as in machine guns the atf would have survived at all they would have been massively outgunned with probably superior firepower as well even then though think about it the group were just preparing for the worst so basically the government thinks if they cant survive armageddon then noone else can cause i get that type of vibe from them because maybe it was crazy to prepare for that event but come on fucking government
@thegreatkurt2013 Again, you know nothing about guns. The ATF attempted to go through that upper windiow in order to gain control of that part of the compound first. However, a member of the Branch Davidion's was stopped and asked for direction's from reports attempting to get to the scene, and in turn this member phoned ahead. The ATF walked into a trap. Oh, and you do understand that the ATF had automatic weapon's to.
@HK3StarGeneral i know nothing about guns dude i built an ak47 in my garage my father has his ffl and my grandfather has been collecting them since he was 18 and yes a man from the branch warned them but to believe only what the government tells you is foolish also from what i could tell most of the automatic firearms the atf had were hecklar and kock mp5s any assault rifle would have outgunned them or any other automatic for that matter so that proves your idea of the branch having automatics
@thegreatkurt2013 Again, your logic make's zero sense. The ATF used the MP5's for the fact that they are kuch easier to use within tight quarter's. Also, the close distance's within the compound easily make's up for the lower caliber of round. Oh, and just to have a bit of fun. if you built an AK as you say you did, what ATF ordinance did you have to register and follow in order to do so. I'll give you a hint, there are 17 parts listed in this specific ordinance.
@AssyrianSoldier1933 David did, on record, say this. Unfortunately, this is an example of ATF actions being taken too far... That there have been more instances of incidents like this since Waco is telling of how paranoid we have become of people who "Do not fit in" and how much we wish to control people.
if the new world order is trying to destroy religions im with them,religions are fucking up this world.religion is the number one mass controller EVER in history.im sure being controlled by banks and corporations cant be worse than being controlled by people that believe in an invisible man watching over us and ready to send us to burn for eternity
@geiuy I think that you could make a case that is exactly contrary to your reasoning. I believe that things like Waco happen because there are so many people in the government agencies(ATF, FBI, CIA), US attorney's office, and in high finance, that are Godless. That is, not that they don't believe exactly what I believe, that is irrelevant. Rather, they don't believe that there is any power in the universe greater than themselves, that they will never be held accountable for their crimes.
@geiuy in the united kingdom,japan,sweden,norway and many other nice countries the goverment and people in power are mostly godless.these places are considered the best places in the world to leave in.on the other hand the countries with more religion nigeria,u.s.a,brazil e.c.c. have more believers in positions of power yet these places are fucked up
@geiuy You talk like a twelve year old therefore I will assume you are. If you think the UK, Japan, Sweden and Norway are nice countries with nice governments you are sorely mistaken. You obviously have no clue of what Japan did to China and no clue what the UK did to India. You are one of the biggest, brainless morons I've ever seen on this site. You're completely ignorant. Don't try to act like you know shit until you are AT LEAST twenty and out of college.
@tf2weekly what japan "did" to china?uk "did" to india???are u acting like u didn't get my point just because u don't know how to answer?who the f cares about what they did,i'm talking about "today".these are nice places to live in "TODAY",and for some strange reasons the leaders and people of these countries are mostly non religious.
@geiuy I don't necessarily believe in the NWO but the theory is that they want to convert everyone into satanism. In a sense they would be destroying religions but not all of them. I hate religion also but you do not want to follow the people who run this supposed NWO movement.
You do realize that your politicians,your police,your FBI,your CIA,your american reporters are nothing but liars,murderers and thieves.You do realize that your police are retarded.You do realize that the FBI are serial killers.You do reazlize that your own government of the U.S. are totally responsible for the 9-11 terrorist attack.And you are aware of how panicked the police and FBI and judges are that you not discover the facts.Why do you think these human piles of garbage lie...!!!...
You bloody Yanks allow your government to do this to your own citizens?
The ATF gassed and cooked those kids just like the Nazis did to the Jews and you did....NOTHING. Hey...grab another "Big Mac'...
You Americans DESERVED to be gassed and tyrannized by your Government because ALL you bloody care about is stuffing your fat guts with as much food as possible and indulging in as much sex, drugs, and violent movies as you are able to.
Americans just sit back Fat, Stupid, and Ignorant....
You bloody Yanks allow your government to do this to your own citizens?
The ATF gassed and cooked those kids just like the Nazis did to the Jews and you did....NOTHING. Hey...grab another "Big Mac'...
You Americans DESERVED to be gassed and tyrannized by your Government because ALL you bloody care about is stuffing your fat guts with as much food as possible and indulging in as much sex, drugs, and violent movies as you are able to.
Americans just sit back Fat, Stupid, and Ignorant....
This is very helpful and informative. Fuck ATF and FBI. Janet Reno is dead I hope. Clinton is a cunt. We"re fucked. We're fucked. Might as well start fucking. It might be your last.
Anyone who doesn't hate the FBI..is a Nazi sympathizer...even if there had been no fire..the Fed-pigs pumped enough flammable gas into the compound to ensure..at least..that the children would die from cyanide poisoning...ever wonder why they didn't simply construct a secure fence around the compound in the beginning..call it "Mt. Carmel Prison"..and wait..forever if need be..for the siege to end-?...Because they're Nazis..that's why!...and because so many of you are Nazi lovers..that's why!
@Thadumas From what I have read, there are 2 reasons. FIrst, this was a PR stunt. This was right after ruby ridge, and before the ATF's funding was being appropriated. The ATF was quite unpopular after Ruby Ridge, and this was apparently, a PR stunt to go in with guns blazing, in dramatic fashion, and get some scumbag pedophile(I don't know if Koresh was a pedophile or not, but the media stated he was with no more evidence than the government's word) and restore their image, and funds.
@FieldMarshalB ...And look how far we've come in the almost 20-years since these public murders played-out in living rooms across The Home Of The Brave!---(and I know you know that I'm not referring to any of the ATF-dung that got ventilated on that roof and in that room..)---The Patriot Acts(versions 1 & 2)----Torture is Cool!----Whistle-Blowing is Treason!-----the best news is that China may actually succeed and soon in finally cutting all the balls off this vile and wounded Beast.
@Thadumas The other answer is that this wasn't about law and order, this was about dominance. Showing the lowly citizens who's the boss. Setting up a perimeter, as you suggested would make sense only if you are seeking a peaceful resolution, not a dramatic, violence soaked government glorifying propaganda piece.
@FieldMarshalB ...Well put----And even having control over everything--yet the FBI still managed to stomp all over their own dicks daily----I'd like to see a dry flagpole run up into Joe Biden's ass!---And who's that Fat--unrepentant--pig-faced FBI mouthpiece?---bring another pole for him too!----and let's not forget Porky-the-Witness---"Gentlemen and attending intern whores--I promise you!---the FBI did not fire ONE SHOT! into that compound(since we were on "full auto" the whole time...)."
Waco, Ruby Ridge, Rainbow Festival, Ken Ballew and countless other incidents never would have happened if it wasn't for the bumbling, worthless BATFE.
None of these incidents had anything to do with religious practices. It was all over a $200 tax stamp. How many of you have owed over $200 tax before?
LOL,,The stupid bitch keeps trying to point out stuff that you can't see and even looking very close at the video or just isn't there. I think she has a good number of valid points that are probably true but she makes herself sound like a huge pathetic liar
lol to the "Linda Thompson" comment. this is the same chic that reports the american soil concentration camps. i dont know who she is, but she isn't a lawyer. i still believe what this video says but don't try to b.s. the description
@phubans I 2nd that and want to add that this could happen to any of us & our familys and our neighbors would cheer it on. Totally hypnotized by The media.
The government is pure evil... They're a group of organized criminals with all the power, money, and guns. It doesn't even matter if they're committing crimes or injustice. No one can stand up to them.
@nofxmike06 ..no not at all. But you're kind of preaching to the quire here bro. I know there is a shadowy element to this whole ''government'' issue. I'm not anti gov either, until they start acting like gestapo...
hard to tell because of the quality but i think that mike schroder guy was mudered in cold blood on his way to the complex. Who ever it was they had no weapon and they killed him like they did bonnie and clide. Didn't even let him out of his car. They just sprayed it on site. They sprayed fucking Sionide into the building and it killed an eight year old girl. They found her all mangled like the exorsist chick linda blair. Thats why they tie you up when they administer the lethal injection.
@pgup002 you suck you faggot ignorant crook.....something worhtless damned bags of crap like you can't even understand, mroonic dumbasses who can't even speak basic english much less make a rational though. Jesus Christ rules fool
@Grantrus71 Hey, dumbass. Why the fuck do you think he had a complex? So he could invite ATF agents into it? He DIDN'T go to the store, DIDN't go to the gun show, DIDN'T EVER leave the complex. He had everything he ever need there. It WAS the store, it WAS the gun show. The way i see it, THEY were the ones that wanted the Showtime. They stored guns with the sole purpose of killing government officials. All of em. They expected this to happen and it did; only, it didnt end in their favor.
@yo3345 I'm the DUMBASS? Why don't you research shit b4 running your mouth?! You can read the fucking state dept. affidavits online about the gov't informant arguing his case to get him in town AWAY from the complex. Look it up b4 you reply like an ignoramous....AGAIN.
@oculist2020 the branch davidians were not I SAY WERE NOT int he affadavit and no there wass no "child" just unscrupulous lies made up by an splc subsidary a fascist org called CAN Cult Awareness Network that was thoroghly discreidted and refuted and prosecuted on criminal kidnapping charges and horrible acts..........
9/11 We demand the truth!!
ozmangolfer 44 minutes ago
WERE ALL GONNA DIE !!! lol anywho nothing shocks me anymore ..
Tumlock 6 days ago
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You can post whatever lie you want here, the religious idiots are dead, and will stay dead!
They took their own kids hostages (many of them kids of the leader, who was also a pedo..) Get the real facts!
Phantombatman 1 month ago
your disingenuous challenge below, it wasn't the US (or the British SAS) or the Nat'l Guard (though distinctions are growing ever smaller) who used tanks on American citizens during Waco... FBI most likely,
For verification look up the roles played by military personnel, including helicopters.. You'll find "Observers", "Advisors", "Distraction Maneuvers", "Tanks de-weaponized", etc.
It's you who should leave the country chief, there's a place already running things the way you like, accordi
N1k1mon 1 month ago
from engaging the American people in combat.. (back in the 90's it was even honored... almost all the time!!) as much as that may bother you. I say "back in the 90's" of course because of the over 50,000 pieces of legislation (much of which was meant to destroy these rights you hate so much) passed during the Bush Admin, and now Bush # 3 has done his best to whittle away that which is left. So to your obvious approval, tyranny may soon (fully) prevail over the American people.
Back to your di
N1k1mon 1 month ago
pertaining to Life, Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness (Property was the original term decided upon). Someday you may be able to sport your "I -3 Martial Law!" shirt as you stroll the barricaded streets and get scanned through the check points. However until then we still have a tiny semblance of life under the the original design for the USA, despite folks like you.
I seem to remember, and I doubt I'm alone, something called POSSE COMITATUS along with the INSURRECTION ACT preventing US troops
N1k1mon 1 month ago
@cazk88 "Fool...you go find me a policy that says American troops or the National Guard can't use tanks on American citizens."
Calm down there, chief. Its obvious how badly you want this to be true, and NOW! This "Gov't" and it's latest administrations have been working day and night in overdrive to make your dreams come true by blotting out all trace of the Constitution & Bill of Rights. Thanks to it's loyal zealots, such as yourself, things are clickin' right along to dismantle everything p
N1k1mon 1 month ago
interesting, i had been taking his "im God" statement out of context for all these years.
didnt know he was joking. hhmmmm
spoof1 2 months ago
the atf scum deserved everything they got. pedophiles, cultists, what ever, they still did good and im glad they made the world a safer place by killing those agents.
Grunt922 3 months ago
I seen the whole thing : \ QC
Quaaludedude714 3 months ago
No one evers blames the reporter that told Koresh that the ATF was coming, this set the entire incident off and caused the deaths at the compound.
pdhudson0311 3 months ago
Koresh was a pedophile, also if they did not have a stockpile of guns, then who shot at the ATF. They burnt there own place down when they knew they had no way out.
The24547377 3 months ago
these pussies killed themselves,plain and simple. glad they all burnt,and shot to death.
nightsniper45 4 months ago
so what... these people needed to be wiped out
sheetsmash 4 months ago
It was Tear Gas used it was CS gas which is also illegal in the United States.
franlovessteve 5 months ago
Another false flag type operation designed to get the people to allow the passing of the Patriot Act and other civil liberties eliminators. Sho0rt and sweet. Read The Secret Terrorist by Bill Hughes. The Roman Church and the Jesuits are the real issue. Once you read that you'll see how everything comes together.
franlovessteve 5 months ago
allegations are just that .... allegations. but they need to be investigated
22ness0hayden 5 months ago
fuck off for too many contrary conments re the govt
susanbcork 6 months ago
Linda Thompson, where are you? We need you now more than ever!
machinepistola 6 months ago
The ATF has zero credibility. Look at what they did just recently, they sold arms to various members of a drug cartel, got caught, and then lied about...Sorry, but I don't believe anything that they say..over and out....
inbredagogo 6 months ago
the sound on here is horrible, I cant even hear it on my laptop
azrial4421 7 months ago
It is a shame so many innocent people died, because of a religious zealot!
etalonmireles 8 months ago
David Koresh, wow. Used children to shield him for all of those years. He says God will have to deal with those ATF members? Well, Satan is dealing with you sir! Have Nice Day! "Quote; FPS Russia"
Invin86rs 8 months ago
holo caust
timewilltell7 8 months ago
For more information on the ATF, consult the South Park episode, "Two Guys Naked in a Hot Tub".
Heppnasty 8 months ago
Also check out what happened in Philadelphia in May 1985. "THE BOMBING OF MOVE: URBAN WARFARE IN PHILADELPHIA." The government agencies not only bombed the MOVE house, but they burned down the whole neighborhood, 61 HOUSES! They were supposed to be issuing arrest warrants on 4 people, but came to the MOVE house with stockpiles of weapons, "percussion devices"(bombs), teargas, etc. Very interesting story that I am just reading about. I don't remember anything on the news about it in 1985.
molitor2005 8 months ago
Lucifer attacks God through his creation. There's the Truth and counterfiet truth. Only God can reveal Truth. You got to love the Truth to believe it. I will never believe what media has to say on anything. A tree is known by it's fruit. Jesus says my sheep know my voice. This Koresh guy human and wrong to fight with guns. Ther are 3 kinds of people-Unbeliever, Scoffers and Believers. 3 points of view Worldy, Devine and religious. Which one are you?
gr838 8 months ago
LOL! And hundreds of dog-fucking insane Christian rightards believe it.
NotSoOldHippy 8 months ago
One less cult in the worlds sounds good to me. Only if we still killed Christians like the Romans did than we wouldn't have so many uneducated idiots running around. Religion is a social poison in the modern age and when people step in to deal with issues the crazies go and burn their own crap down.
eyelesssid 9 months ago
The sad part is a "good" fed cop, said: The innocent men, woman, & KIDS that the US GOV'T MURDERED, didnt have to die over a BATF firearms form, a fucking piece of paper!... Koresh went to town EVERY DAY to get the mail.... HE could have been arrested or nabbed by the cops very easily. BUT OHHHHHHHH HELL NO,... they had to make a huge production outa it. "RUBY RIDGE" the FBI murdered innocent US citizens as well, over a missed court date, A CLERICAL ERROR & the FED'S showing "WHO's BOSS".
smelzodeath 9 months ago
Now I'm no fan of the Branch Davidians or religion in general. But how the fuck did Bill Clinton get to be so popular if this the shit he pulls?
360Nomad 9 months ago 2
@360Nomad
Clinton didn't pull anything. The government did exactly according to protocol. They violated nothing.
CazK88 9 months ago
@CazK88 So burning down a building full of people on US Soil then downplaying as a mass suicide is government protocol?
360Nomad 9 months ago 3
@360Nomad
The US government did not authorize to burn down anything. If you look at the footage, the flames were started (from the interior) at different sectors of the building. The FBI had no advantages of that magnitude. They used tanks that released tear gas that is inflammable!
CazK88 9 months ago
@CazK88 Then why did a passing airplane with a thermal camera photograph the fires starting where they were punching holes to fire tear gas? And why did they catch soldiers (or SWAT, or whoever) firing weapons into the entrances of the building?
360Nomad 9 months ago 7
@360Nomad
The fires were started because the Davidians felt the FBI was going to enter where the holes were punched. And since the tear gas caused them to not be able to see, they threw the flames as their defense to deter from the FBI. Again, the flames were started from the interior in areas where the FBI had no access. If the FBI started the fires, it would've been from the exterior. Everyone was firing all over the place!
CazK88 9 months ago
@CazK88 They violated EVERYTHING.There was no evidence at all of 'child abuse',this was a lie created by the mainstream media and the atf to discredit the Davidians and to justify their completley illegal raid.
JanBelupo 6 months ago
@JanBelupo
The Davidians held them hostage. And brainwashing the children that you saw in those videos is a type of child abuse. They psychologically abused these children and older adults into believing he was the Messiah. I give no credit to the media at all, as they said many things that today they don't even report. That's what they do, but the ATF did what they could do given what they had. This was the largest hostage situation they ever had to do.
CazK88 6 months ago
@CazK88 Again,there has never been any evidence of 'brainwashing',or any kind of abuse.That was what the atf had to feed the mainstream so they would be looked upon as heros.As I said before,the raid was completley unjustified and illegal.Blasting the sound of rabbits being slaughtered?Is that not 'psychological abuse'?The atd did what they had to?Burn innocent men,women and children alive?
JanBelupo 6 months ago
@JanBelupo Excuse me, but the videos David Koresh filmed with kids and making them worship his beliefs is a form of brainwashing and psychological abuse! The ATF had nothing to do with Koresh filming this. It was played on the media to show the public what the Davidians did to these people. Find me a law that states this was illegal! The ATF reacted this way because they lost patience. How is this any different from the justified Little Bohemia gun battle?! The ATF did not burn that compound!
CazK88 6 months ago
@CazK88 Excuse me,where is this footage of 'brainwashing'?Did you not watch this video?The ATF rammed holes into the compound then hauled in grenades and tear gas,then burned the compound.How as it illegal?Check the constitution,jack.
JanBelupo 6 months ago
@JanBelupo Excuse you but you are the one out of the loop! The videos with the kids who speak into the camera about their experience with him. They are being brainwashed. I've watched the entire 2 hour documentary. I know you didn't. The ATF did not burn anything. Stop being a conspiracy theorist. You find me in the constitution where they broke an amendment, Jill!
CazK88 6 months ago
@CazK88 'You know I didn't'?How the fuck do you know?I ave watched more about Waco and read more documents about it than you ever will.Didn't you know it is illegalto use tanks against your own people?Didn't you know it is illegal to modify those tanks?Again,just because he was talking to the people who lived at the compound,how in hell is that 'brainwashing'?So the ATF burning 86 people alive is OK?Try READING the constitution instead of getting others to do all your work.
JanBelupo 6 months ago
@JanBelupo Um...excuse me! I wrote a thesis paper on the siege you dickhead. Don't tell me I don't know. And I highly doubt you watched more documents than I did. As stupid as you sound, it sounds like you read more opinionated blogs than actual evidence. Idiot, the National Guard uses tanks! How the hell are you going to say its illegal to user tanks against your own people?! Koresh brainwashed the kids. If you truly saw "all" of the documentaries you would know.
CazK88 6 months ago
@CazK88 Um...shit-for brains,you can't 'watch' documents,you READ them.Moron.Oohhh,you done a 'thesis',did you?Then I'm sure you know EVERYTHING about the siege.How am I going to say that was illegal with the tanks,um,because it was!Your obsession with 'brainwash' is ludicrious.You're the one who has been brainwashed by the mass-media and the governments lies and corruptions.Why in subsequent raids have they said things like'we don't want another Waco'?Because they fucked up big style.
JanBelupo 6 months ago
@JanBelupo Um...prick, it was a typo...documentaries. Do not try to downplay my knowledge on this subject. Its your dumbass who makes the assumptions that the ATF was 100% responsible for this tragedy. You are the typical wise idiot who praises people like Koresh. I just asked your dumbass a question, so you answer it: Since the National Guard uses tanks, how can this be illegal being used by the ATF? You are a typical prick who cries injustice but can't verify why its unjust!
CazK88 6 months ago
@CazK88 As for "all" the documentaries,most were made by pro-government propaganda machines masquerading behind publication and production companies.It's a fact that the ATF/FBI conducted an illegal raid,it's a fact they killed 86 people,23 children.It's a fact they tried to lie and cover it up with more lies,which brain-dead media zombies like yourself lapped up and bought.
JanBelupo 6 months ago
@JanBelupo There you go talking about pro-government propaganda. I'm not surprised that this is coming from a liberal conspiracy theorist. You wonder why you people get no media attention? Because your philosophy is as flawed as the Mesopotamian's who thought the world was flat. There was no illegal raid. You need to READ the documents and stop WATCHING the flawed conspiracy documentaries. The feds had every right to go in because they hard a warrant to do so. Stop being a dunce and read facts!
CazK88 6 months ago
@CazK88 I'm anything but 'liberal',and I would harldy constitute these news broadcasters like fox as being 'liberal',and I'm no 'theorist'.The raid was totallt illegal and this has been confirmed by former atf/fbi agents whoi where at the 'raid'.The 'facts' were that Koresh invited the atf to 'come look around',but they refused,because they wanted to send out a message to anyone who was minding their own business and not harming anyone and trying to get away from society that they would be
JanBelupo 6 months ago
@JanBelupo
No you are a conspiracy theorist because you have no facts to back anything you say up. Thats a typical person who believes in conspiracies. You probably believe that 9/11 was an inside job too, just like you probably believe Obama is not an American citizen. The facts are that Koresh had illegal weapons that were found amid the search warrants, there were allegations of sexual abuse and these people were literally held hostage.
CazK88 6 months ago
@JanBelupo cont..emiminated,ie Ruby Ridge,where an innocent woman with her baby in her arms got her head blew apart,and a fourteen year old boy who was running from the scene was shot in the back and murdered.It is a fact the atf/fbi acted illegally and they DID burn down the compound.Even if Koresh was 'abusing kids'(which it was proven he wasn't),that would be out of the ATF's juristiction.You seem to think it's ok to burn alive 86 people,23 children,and hang a man from a meathook.
JanBelupo 6 months ago
@JanBelupo
The ATF/FBI did NOT burn down the compound. If you look at any surveillance video, specifically the video taken from the air by surveillance airplanes, you will see that the thermal imagery infrared video camera showed that a fire had started from the INTERIOR of the compound. Not the exterior. My guess is that when the ATF threw in smoke grenades, the Davidians could not see, so they may have accidentally sparked a fire from inside. Overall, ATF was NOT responsible.
CazK88 6 months ago
@CazK88 The ATF was COMPLETLEY responsible.The atf blew in huge holes with their huge tanks,then threw in tear grass and grenades.Obviously any footage taken from the government is going to edited.What about the footage of a dead man being swung around on a rope in the air?Fact:Koresh offered the atf to come to the compound not long before the slaughter,they refused,and they procceded to murder 86 people.And all this brainwash crap,wow,it is crap,ask the survivors.And this child molesting bull
JanBelupo 5 months ago
@JanBelupo cont..shit,because even if Koresh had being messing with the kids,(which he wasn't),that is out of the atf's juristiction.
JanBelupo 5 months ago
@JanBelupo
You show me the footage of the swinging man who was hung and I'll believe you. The point is, people who are anti-government find any way to blame the government for this. The point that people do not want to recognize and consider is that David Koresh was a nut...a LUNATIC! The government obviously can't tweak the phone conversations Koresh had with the police now can they? Listnen to what he believed and what he said. These are HIS own words not to words of the government.
CazK88 5 months ago
@CazK88 If the video's on here I'll gladly show you it.I would hardly make that up.Koresh's conversations do not give the government the right to burn down a peaceful compound,killing 86 people,including 23 children.Again,what about the atf blasting sounds of rabbits being slaughtered when they knew children were in the building?Is that not 'NUTS'?
JanBelupo 5 months ago
@JanBelupo
Once again the ATF did not burn anything down. If you look at the tapes, the fire came from inside the compound. The ATF fired in non-flammable tear gas to fish them out. With that many hostages in there, all they could do was use psychological warfare. The ATF tried many soft techniques first before opening fire. There is nothing wrong with that. Period.
CazK88 4 months ago
@CazK88 Thereis everything wrong with that,peroid.Even that evil piece of shit reno had admitted she now isn't sure she done the right thing.(Duh).The fire was started by the aft blowing holes into the compound with illegally modified tanks(using tanks on your own citizens,eh?),and you are a complete hypocrite,you harp about child neglect whatever,then when I bring up the government doing it to the davidian children you say it was OK.
JanBelupo 4 months ago
@JanBelupo Fool...you go find me a policy that says American troops or the National Guard cannot use tanks on American citizens. Go find me a policy that outlaws the use of lethal force during martial law! The ATF acted responsibly in that there first move was not using force. They waited literally 2 months, and tried many techniques they could before using force. The Davidians shot at them first - which gave ATF every right to fire back. The smoke grenades were non-flammable!
CazK88 4 months ago
@JanBelupo You are just a conspiracy theorist-nut job that uses your balls as brains. Before you sit up here and blame anyone, go read a policy!
CazK88 4 months ago
@CazK88 Where have I mentioned anything about conspiracies?You're just another boring,my-government's-never-wrong asshat whom the very scumbags you are defending are laughing at your gullabilty.Type in -Bill Hicks on Waco here on YT to sum it up
JanBelupo 3 months ago
@JanBelupo
Everything about you is a conspiracy. You are a walking conspiracy because you don't know a damn thing about what happened on that day. What you read are blogs from twisted individuals - the same people who pay to listen to jerks like the 9/11 truthers and the Obama birthers. I can acknowledge my government is wrong...but on this case I am saying they acted within their rights and means. It's nut-jobs like yourself who hate this country and commit treason everyday you commie.
CazK88 3 months ago
@CazK88 Because I don't agree with 86 people (23 children) being murdered illegally by the government I'm a 'commie'?Grow up.I know more about what happened on that day than you,and thats a fact.You don't know what I read,so you can stop telling me what I do and don't do.It's your precious government who commit treason by using the contstitution as toilet paper.This 86 is just a drop in the ocean,what about all the innocent civilians killed in NATO 'raids' in the former Yugoslavia,the civilians
JanBelupo 1 month ago
@JanBelupo
You don't know a damn thing. This is why you are wrong. Go read a book. This debate has been over months ago, you jerk. You are a commie by the way you think. Don't sit up here and throw all these charges at me like I'm the damn Attorney General. Go right Eric Holder with your bullshit. I don't wanna hear it. The point is; 98% of what you say is the same dark green that comes out my ass! Go somewhere you imbecile.
CazK88 1 month ago
@CazK88 cont..murdered in the illegal wars perpetuated upon Afghanistan,Iraq,Vietnam etc.Your beloved govenment is laughing at the gullabilty of morons like you.
JanBelupo 1 month ago
@JanBelupo
I tell you what you can do...leave this country. How about that? Have you considered living in Russia, China or Iran? All because of your insecurities of this country? It's people like you who commit treason because of your discontent with the way things are here. If you're not satisfied, take your phony ass elsewhere. People like you make me sick. There are millions of foreigners who would love to take your place. Make them happy by leaving you wanker.
CazK88 1 month ago
@CazK88 Iv'e a better idea..you go dig a big hole,and jump in it.Anyone who thinks the government is wrong is a 'commie'.You sound like some idiot from the 50's.You won't accept your government is the biggest war criminal of all.Using tanks on it's own people?It's people like you who don't adhere to the constitution but pretend to be this all-American citizen.You're nothing but a bullshitter who knows jackshit.
JanBelupo 1 month ago
@JanBelupo Haha. You're ignorance amuses me. If you criticize me for being a patriot, then what does that make you? A treasonist! It's nut-jobs like you who still argue over the Civil War and wish the Confederacy prospered throughout the indigenous United States. You're also that idiot who drains their beliefs into 9/11 truthers and think the government had everything to do with it. That's what a treasonist is my friend...and you ARE bullshit!
CazK88 1 month ago
@JanBelupo If you actually know about the Waco siege, you would realize that these "Tanks" are not the standard made tanks. They were customized for this type of siege which only was to ram into the building for the hostages to run out, but primarily used to throw in tear gas. The flames started from inside and in areas where the ATF had NO access to from the exterior. It's jerks like you who is knee-deep into this conspiracy shit, and fail to know the facts.
CazK88 1 month ago
@CazK88 You've just proven my my point.Those tanks were illegally modified,therfore not allowed.
JanBelupo 1 month ago
@JanBelupo You go find me a law that the ATF broke regarding the modification of tanks. Then I'll take you seriously. Happy New Year!
CazK88 1 month ago
@CazK88 Fully automatic weapons fired from helicopters. Positions set so when people leave they're shot. A door that vanished that would have proven the direction of the initial shots., and you call it conspiracy shit? Just like Ruby Ridge huh, conspiracy shit?
PIRTEKM3 1 month ago
@PIRTEKM3
Read my lips: CONSPIRACY SHIT!!!!!!
CazK88 1 month ago
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PIRTEKM3 1 month ago
@CazK88 Sorry bro but here is sort of where you're wrong. One of the documentaries shown on this shows strategic points that the tanks broke into so that the fire would hit hard and blaze crazily. Also 40mm projectiles are found near and in the building, yknow shot from underbarrels on guns or from grenade launchers themselves, possibly starting the fire. One more thing, ATF were laying down fire so that Davidians couldn't leave the building. Shown from an above viewpoint. Clearly.
iMdAhAcKeR 1 week ago
@iMdAhAcKeR
So tell me then...why would the ATF have a strategy in mind to kill the hostages? The Davidians had weapons inside the compound and had every intention to possibly kill the hostages but most importantly kill the police force. Had it not been for the tanks to give the hostages a way out, it would've been much worse.
CazK88 1 week ago
@CazK88 Are you serious right now? Weapons and intention of killing hostages but more importantly the police force??? I mean where to you get your info? Do you work for them or are you just that clueless?
ozmangolfer 47 minutes ago
@CazK88 Try the constitution...fool.The atf fired first everybody knows that and wasn't it just peachy for scum like you that that shitbag lon horiuchi who blew away an unarmed mother's head while carrying her baby and a 13-14 year old boy in the back as he was running away at Ruby Ridge was there to 'protect' your 'rights and freedom'
JanBelupo 3 months ago
@JanBelupo
You name me an amendment to the constitution that outlaws this fool...You have no proof that the ATF fired first I can guarantee you. And shallow minded wankers like yourself know nothing about how a force is to conduct an operation. The ATF waited and waited and waited and had given Koresh several warnings. He held these people hostage and he had weapons planning to do damage because he knew the Feds would be after him. You find this right? You're a stupid idiot!
CazK88 3 months ago
@CazK88 Regardless of who started the fire this shouldn't have happened. They weren't hurting anyone and these cunts we call the ATF had no business there.
destroyerofsenses 5 months ago
@destroyerofsenses
The ATF had every right to be there. They had a warrant from the courts!
CazK88 5 months ago
@CazK88 It was provocation, plain and simple. I'm not sure how you could sympathize with these scum fucks that killed so many women and children in cold blood when the evidence is clear. Sure Koresh was crazy, but this was all on the ATF and the Clinton administration. SHEEP
destroyerofsenses 5 months ago
@destroyerofsenses
Oh please...you sound like a typical republicunt! ATF did not kill women and children...Stick to the source.. Had it not been Koresh who held those innocent men, women and children hostage it would never have happened!
CazK88 5 months ago
@CazK88 Republicunt?? FYI I do not associate with any political party, The ONLY candidates I would ever vote for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich . Right or left it doesn't matter, the two party system is there for illusion of choice, and to divide us.
Our government has been doing shit like this for quite some time, and it is progressively getting worse. If you think otherwise then DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH!
destroyerofsenses 5 months ago
@destroyerofsenses
Well what the fuck do you think democracy brings? Freedom of speech, differences of opinion, the RIGHT to disagree. If you hate what this country stands for, ie CHOICE, then go to China where you can get jailed in a modern day gulag for doing what you do best on YouTube...ACT A DAMN FOOL and standing up against your government. Try that in Syria right now. Do YOUR damn research fool.
CazK88 5 months ago
@CazK88 I don't disagree with what this country USED to be about (freedom, liberty, standing up to tyrannical government) besides the fact that it was founded on thievery. I realize it could be much worse, but don't tell us we are free when really, we are not. We are modern age slaves and democracy is dead whether you think so or not. If you think the government cares about us you are sadly mistaken.
Look into TV mind control, seems like they already have a grasp on you
destroyerofsenses 4 months ago
@destroyerofsenses
Nothing has changed about how this country goes about freedom and liberty. You still have it. The first amendment is still here! You are just an unpatriotic and ungrateful SOB who has no faith in this country. You talk as if you were born yesterday...we have gone through hard times before. YOU are the one brainwashed by fixed news.
CazK88 4 months ago
@CazK88 You are the one that thinks the Branch davidians started the fire, yet you tell me i am brainwashed by the news. See the irony there? JFK, Ruby Ridge etc. amongst many more examples, you can't tell me something isn't wrong. I love this country, not our corrupt government.
You are the only one in the comments defending the murderers. so GTFO you ATF troll
destroyerofsenses 4 months ago
@destroyerofsenses
You are the one who is unpatriotic. You fail to realize it is the government who preserves and protects our freedoms. They are the pioneers of crafting this country, and its people like yourself and I to hold our government accountable to ensure the sustainability of our freedoms and rights! You are a stupid and idiotic American who cares less about this country. The ATF acted as they should've. The Davidians killed those people and you know it!
CazK88 4 months ago
@CazK88 Did the warrant, which was proven to be based on false allegations say "kill everyone"? I'm not sure how this stuff works. Did that warrant give the ATF the "right" to execute women and children? Just wondering...
SurefireWoodsman 5 months ago
@SurefireWoodsman
The ATF knew what they were dealing with. The men had weapons in there. The feds called them and warned them and Koresh kept making threats. Listen to the phone conversations. The tapes are public! The warrant gave the ATF a right to enter the compound, but Koresh's people threatened the ATF and that's when it got nasty. If a federal entity has court order to enter your home, you cooperate! Something they did not do.
CazK88 5 months ago
Please watch the documentary Waco The Rules of Engagement. This documentary will prove that the Branch Davidians were murdered by the ATF and FBI. These devils will be judged by God.
JNR
jnr8877 9 months ago
Where's the proof the weapons were illegal? And why was the military on domestic soil? In this country, you're innocent until PROVEN guilty. This was a War on American citizens and I'm ashamed to say that other American citizens didn't even arrive to keep the government in check. Government officials who stood by while this was going on and those who participated should be in prison.
uastudy 10 months ago
Understand that child abuse allegations aren't the jurisdiction of the FBI, BATF or the military. Understand that David Koresh could have been arrested away from the compound. In fact, the feds lied about drugs on the property, which brought in the helicopters and tanks. These people hadn't broken any laws and the people responsible for the murder of American citizens should be in prison.
uastudy 10 months ago
@uastudy You right it's not, but you throw in all the othr alligations of illegal weapon's then it does become a federal matter.
HK3StarGeneral 10 months ago
Branch Davidianism is the least violent religion, look at the history of Christianity or Islam.
razorath92 10 months ago
This was absolute murder by our government...innocent children should have been gotten out of there alive, and this was handled all very badly. Maybe Koresh was a lunatic? Who knows? But our government is worse...and they are bigger than any self-proclaimed prophet and far more dangerous!
whatanightmare1 11 months ago 21
@whatanightmare1 waco, ruby ridge, 911...the govt has been killing and killing. and people ACT shocked but do nothing
skinheadboy1 4 months ago
@whatanightmare1 who gives a fuck about the children,and women in there,i sure as hell dont. they all got what they deserved,hanging around that pedo davey Koresh,if they`re all peace loving why they got 200+ guns,gas masks,etc? fucking nuff nuff`s religious fruit cakes,fuck `em! Well done ATF,Police,etc.....right on!
nightsniper45 4 months ago
@whatanightmare1 Fucking idiot. We don't need their bullshit religion. We don't need religion at all. Those kids would have taught it to their kids and so on. They should all be shot. Anybody who believes in god should be shot. Child, woman, men, leaders. Everybody. They didn't handle it bad. Only upper and middle class deserve anything good. Lower class should be put into slavery.
GZxModzz 3 months ago
@GZxModzz You are fucking lunatic, and you are blocked. Have a nice day, prick!
whatanightmare1 3 months ago
These people did nothing illegal. Both Bill and Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno should be in prison. And for good measure, throw little Chuckie Schumer in prison with them...anyone who claims a flash bang grenade is not an incendiary shouldn't see the light of day for the rest of their natural life for just being stupid.
uastudy 11 months ago
@uastudy You do understand that most if not all of the firearms were illegal. Not to mention the countless alligations of child abuse. If you really believe the bullshit this video is saying then you may friend are an idiot.
Also, if you don't think they had automatic weapons, break down the sound's during the initial gunfight, you can clearly hear automatic fire that is not coming from the ATF's MP5's.
HK3StarGeneral 10 months ago
@HK3StarGeneral you didnt see the picture of the girls burnt to a fucking crisp did you or the burnt remains of almost all the weapons which were still in the basement and you could tell they werent machine guns by the barrel if you want to be a jackass and support the very thing which removes rights over time then be my guest but many innocent people died that day even regular people know that they fucked up and killed alot of plus atf is a bunch of fucking idiots cant u tell
thegreatkurt2013 10 months ago
@thegreatkurt2013 First off what are you talking about when you say barrel's? Not many weapons can be identified as being automatic/semi-automatic by just looking at the barrel. Also, David was said to have locked most of his followers in the building when the fire started. Not to mention that when the ATF agents first attempted to raid the building, they were fired upon, 4 of which later died.
HK3StarGeneral 10 months ago
@HK3StarGeneral by barrels i meant the metal components and yes i can tell by the sight on a rifle most didnt have any sights which meant they were supposed to be outfitted with scopes 2 did you see the part where the atf agent shoots himself in the leg they at least werent prepared in any way for this and i bet you got the information that he locked them in from the brass of course they would lie they fucked up man and also the man who was gunned down trying to run and his body was left laying
thegreatkurt2013 10 months ago
@thegreatkurt2013 First off dude you need to catch up a bit on your weapon knowledge. Second, I would love to respond to you but I really can not make out what exactly your talking about because your english is awful.
HK3StarGeneral 10 months ago
@HK3StarGeneral weapon knowledge man your getting to be really really insulting now i reload my own bullets dude now maybe down to exact ballistics im not perfect but other than that im a fanatic dude hell ive met people like you before i can guarantee you i know more about firearms than you ok and seriously they didnt have automatic weapons dude you may not be able to tell what type of gun on is just from the most basics but i can ok
thegreatkurt2013 10 months ago
@thegreatkurt2013 Coming from the dude that said weapons with no front iron site's are never automatic because they require scopes...... I highly doubt anything you say. All your doing is saying that you "know" yet you sight no specific example's.
300 firearm's were found within the compound. I'm an avid gun collecter with a class 3 FFL, and I own 13 firearm's in total. Please, attempt to refute this fact.
HK3StarGeneral 10 months ago
@HK3StarGeneral also do you honestly think if most of the guns were illegal as in machine guns the atf would have survived at all they would have been massively outgunned with probably superior firepower as well even then though think about it the group were just preparing for the worst so basically the government thinks if they cant survive armageddon then noone else can cause i get that type of vibe from them because maybe it was crazy to prepare for that event but come on fucking government
thegreatkurt2013 10 months ago
@thegreatkurt2013 Again, you know nothing about guns. The ATF attempted to go through that upper windiow in order to gain control of that part of the compound first. However, a member of the Branch Davidion's was stopped and asked for direction's from reports attempting to get to the scene, and in turn this member phoned ahead. The ATF walked into a trap. Oh, and you do understand that the ATF had automatic weapon's to.
HK3StarGeneral 10 months ago
@HK3StarGeneral i know nothing about guns dude i built an ak47 in my garage my father has his ffl and my grandfather has been collecting them since he was 18 and yes a man from the branch warned them but to believe only what the government tells you is foolish also from what i could tell most of the automatic firearms the atf had were hecklar and kock mp5s any assault rifle would have outgunned them or any other automatic for that matter so that proves your idea of the branch having automatics
thegreatkurt2013 10 months ago
@thegreatkurt2013 Again, your logic make's zero sense. The ATF used the MP5's for the fact that they are kuch easier to use within tight quarter's. Also, the close distance's within the compound easily make's up for the lower caliber of round. Oh, and just to have a bit of fun. if you built an AK as you say you did, what ATF ordinance did you have to register and follow in order to do so. I'll give you a hint, there are 17 parts listed in this specific ordinance.
HK3StarGeneral 10 months ago
Another example of why relegion should be outlawed. All it does is kill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tmiller2791 1 year ago
@tmiller2791 Yeesh, another Nazi on YouTube...
ExoticSpotting 1 year ago
Nice america...realllllyyyyy nice.
PhreakPhantom 1 year ago
did he say "im god" at 1:36
AssyrianSoldier1933 1 year ago
@AssyrianSoldier1933 David did, on record, say this. Unfortunately, this is an example of ATF actions being taken too far... That there have been more instances of incidents like this since Waco is telling of how paranoid we have become of people who "Do not fit in" and how much we wish to control people.
danschaoticmind 1 year ago
@danschaoticmind well the government were right
AssyrianSoldier1933 1 year ago
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Military used to kill citizens!!!!!
They gassed those people to death and burned the evidence!!!!
The davidians had amassed PROOF that drug smuggling and child abduction networks were operating out of the military base nearby.
They were doing surveillance of the base and hacked into important data.
They were all killed because they knew to much.
WHY ELSE USE MILITARY FORCE TO MURDER THEM.
Micaleth2 1 year ago
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Military used to kill citizens!!!!!
They gassed those people to death and burned the evidence!!!!
The davidians had amassed PROOF that drug smuggling and child abduction networks were operating out of the military base nearby.
They were doing surveillance of the base and hacked into important data.
They were all killed because they knew to much.
WHY ELSE USE MILITARY FORCE TO MURDER THEM.
Micaleth2 1 year ago
Note the fleet of large off road dune buggies with camera mounts on top, they are parked to the rear of the compound.
Also note the elaborate computer setup the davidians had.
These were used to monitor the military base nearby.
The davidians KNEW the government was selling dope and running a child sex racket.
They had proof.
When this all started David tried to hand over a CD to the officers, HE WAS FORCED back into the building.
They did not want the info, the wanted to silence them all.
Micaleth2 1 year ago
if the new world order is trying to destroy religions im with them,religions are fucking up this world.religion is the number one mass controller EVER in history.im sure being controlled by banks and corporations cant be worse than being controlled by people that believe in an invisible man watching over us and ready to send us to burn for eternity
geiuy 1 year ago
@geiuy I think that you could make a case that is exactly contrary to your reasoning. I believe that things like Waco happen because there are so many people in the government agencies(ATF, FBI, CIA), US attorney's office, and in high finance, that are Godless. That is, not that they don't believe exactly what I believe, that is irrelevant. Rather, they don't believe that there is any power in the universe greater than themselves, that they will never be held accountable for their crimes.
FieldMarshalB 1 year ago
@geiuy in the united kingdom,japan,sweden,norway and many other nice countries the goverment and people in power are mostly godless.these places are considered the best places in the world to leave in.on the other hand the countries with more religion nigeria,u.s.a,brazil e.c.c. have more believers in positions of power yet these places are fucked up
nice try
geiuy 1 year ago
@geiuy You talk like a twelve year old therefore I will assume you are. If you think the UK, Japan, Sweden and Norway are nice countries with nice governments you are sorely mistaken. You obviously have no clue of what Japan did to China and no clue what the UK did to India. You are one of the biggest, brainless morons I've ever seen on this site. You're completely ignorant. Don't try to act like you know shit until you are AT LEAST twenty and out of college.
tf2weekly 6 months ago
@tf2weekly what japan "did" to china?uk "did" to india???are u acting like u didn't get my point just because u don't know how to answer?who the f cares about what they did,i'm talking about "today".these are nice places to live in "TODAY",and for some strange reasons the leaders and people of these countries are mostly non religious.
"TODAY!!!!",i'm taking about today!
geiuy 6 months ago
@geiuy I don't necessarily believe in the NWO but the theory is that they want to convert everyone into satanism. In a sense they would be destroying religions but not all of them. I hate religion also but you do not want to follow the people who run this supposed NWO movement.
Seanz1lla 1 year ago
You do realize that your politicians,your police,your FBI,your CIA,your american reporters are nothing but liars,murderers and thieves.You do realize that your police are retarded.You do realize that the FBI are serial killers.You do reazlize that your own government of the U.S. are totally responsible for the 9-11 terrorist attack.And you are aware of how panicked the police and FBI and judges are that you not discover the facts.Why do you think these human piles of garbage lie...!!!...
Gary7Gann 1 year ago
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You bloody Yanks allow your government to do this to your own citizens?
The ATF gassed and cooked those kids just like the Nazis did to the Jews and you did....NOTHING. Hey...grab another "Big Mac'...
You Americans DESERVED to be gassed and tyrannized by your Government because ALL you bloody care about is stuffing your fat guts with as much food as possible and indulging in as much sex, drugs, and violent movies as you are able to.
Americans just sit back Fat, Stupid, and Ignorant....
NolanRogers2 1 year ago
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You bloody Yanks allow your government to do this to your own citizens?
The ATF gassed and cooked those kids just like the Nazis did to the Jews and you did....NOTHING. Hey...grab another "Big Mac'...
You Americans DESERVED to be gassed and tyrannized by your Government because ALL you bloody care about is stuffing your fat guts with as much food as possible and indulging in as much sex, drugs, and violent movies as you are able to.
Americans just sit back Fat, Stupid, and Ignorant....
NolanRogers2 1 year ago
This is very helpful and informative. Fuck ATF and FBI. Janet Reno is dead I hope. Clinton is a cunt. We"re fucked. We're fucked. Might as well start fucking. It might be your last.
Blink316E 1 year ago 2
Anyone who doesn't hate the FBI..is a Nazi sympathizer...even if there had been no fire..the Fed-pigs pumped enough flammable gas into the compound to ensure..at least..that the children would die from cyanide poisoning...ever wonder why they didn't simply construct a secure fence around the compound in the beginning..call it "Mt. Carmel Prison"..and wait..forever if need be..for the siege to end-?...Because they're Nazis..that's why!...and because so many of you are Nazi lovers..that's why!
Thadumas 1 year ago
@Thadumas From what I have read, there are 2 reasons. FIrst, this was a PR stunt. This was right after ruby ridge, and before the ATF's funding was being appropriated. The ATF was quite unpopular after Ruby Ridge, and this was apparently, a PR stunt to go in with guns blazing, in dramatic fashion, and get some scumbag pedophile(I don't know if Koresh was a pedophile or not, but the media stated he was with no more evidence than the government's word) and restore their image, and funds.
FieldMarshalB 1 year ago
@FieldMarshalB ...And look how far we've come in the almost 20-years since these public murders played-out in living rooms across The Home Of The Brave!---(and I know you know that I'm not referring to any of the ATF-dung that got ventilated on that roof and in that room..)---The Patriot Acts(versions 1 & 2)----Torture is Cool!----Whistle-Blowing is Treason!-----the best news is that China may actually succeed and soon in finally cutting all the balls off this vile and wounded Beast.
Thadumas 1 year ago
@Thadumas The other answer is that this wasn't about law and order, this was about dominance. Showing the lowly citizens who's the boss. Setting up a perimeter, as you suggested would make sense only if you are seeking a peaceful resolution, not a dramatic, violence soaked government glorifying propaganda piece.
FieldMarshalB 1 year ago
@FieldMarshalB ...Well put----And even having control over everything--yet the FBI still managed to stomp all over their own dicks daily----I'd like to see a dry flagpole run up into Joe Biden's ass!---And who's that Fat--unrepentant--pig-faced FBI mouthpiece?---bring another pole for him too!----and let's not forget Porky-the-Witness---"Gentlemen and attending intern whores--I promise you!---the FBI did not fire ONE SHOT! into that compound(since we were on "full auto" the whole time...)."
Thadumas 1 year ago
33? self fulfilling prophecy/prophit...
finnbarrhagan 1 year ago
Waco, Ruby Ridge, Rainbow Festival, Ken Ballew and countless other incidents never would have happened if it wasn't for the bumbling, worthless BATFE.
None of these incidents had anything to do with religious practices. It was all over a $200 tax stamp. How many of you have owed over $200 tax before?
1stuart1 1 year ago
LOL,,The stupid bitch keeps trying to point out stuff that you can't see and even looking very close at the video or just isn't there. I think she has a good number of valid points that are probably true but she makes herself sound like a huge pathetic liar
bshaun2 1 year ago
wow lots of big names came out of Waco. must have been less flouride in the water there. this govt makes me sick
variousgood 1 year ago
lol to the "Linda Thompson" comment. this is the same chic that reports the american soil concentration camps. i dont know who she is, but she isn't a lawyer. i still believe what this video says but don't try to b.s. the description
variousgood 1 year ago
you can't ignore a court order
MrDavito2 1 year ago
@MrDavito2 yes you can but be prepared to die
moqutpar 1 year ago
@phubans I 2nd that and want to add that this could happen to any of us & our familys and our neighbors would cheer it on. Totally hypnotized by The media.
DonnyDurden 1 year ago
The government is pure evil... They're a group of organized criminals with all the power, money, and guns. It doesn't even matter if they're committing crimes or injustice. No one can stand up to them.
phubans 1 year ago
FUCK U CULTISTS!
MyWoWadventures 1 year ago
The Government is the largest cult in the world
unshutoptic1 1 year ago
@unshutoptic1 dig deeper than government.
nofxmike06 1 year ago
@nofxmike06 ...oh absolutely
unshutoptic1 1 year ago
@unshutoptic1 I hope what I said did not sound like a personal attack. I merely wanted to help you. i'm not anti-gov.
nofxmike06 1 year ago
@nofxmike06 ..no not at all. But you're kind of preaching to the quire here bro. I know there is a shadowy element to this whole ''government'' issue. I'm not anti gov either, until they start acting like gestapo...
unshutoptic1 1 year ago
what what U.S woman and children killed by U.S Armed Forces???
lereyes3000 1 year ago
hard to tell because of the quality but i think that mike schroder guy was mudered in cold blood on his way to the complex. Who ever it was they had no weapon and they killed him like they did bonnie and clide. Didn't even let him out of his car. They just sprayed it on site. They sprayed fucking Sionide into the building and it killed an eight year old girl. They found her all mangled like the exorsist chick linda blair. Thats why they tie you up when they administer the lethal injection.
JFKCoupdetat 1 year ago
Ever notice how Marc Breault startingly looks like Mark David Chapman? Oh and yes, he's from Hawaii! How weird!
rich8ch 1 year ago
Ever notice how Marc Breault startingly looks like Mark David Chapman? Oh and yes, he's from Hawaii! How weird!
rich8ch 1 year ago
Jesus christ Sucks
pgup002 1 year ago
@pgup002 you suck you faggot ignorant crook.....something worhtless damned bags of crap like you can't even understand, mroonic dumbasses who can't even speak basic english much less make a rational though. Jesus Christ rules fool
deltapunk21 1 year ago
They could have arrested him at the library, grocery store, A GUN SHOW....but no, it was gonna be..."Showtime!!" They wanted "Showtime", they got it.
Grantrus71 1 year ago
@Grantrus71 Hey, dumbass. Why the fuck do you think he had a complex? So he could invite ATF agents into it? He DIDN'T go to the store, DIDN't go to the gun show, DIDN'T EVER leave the complex. He had everything he ever need there. It WAS the store, it WAS the gun show. The way i see it, THEY were the ones that wanted the Showtime. They stored guns with the sole purpose of killing government officials. All of em. They expected this to happen and it did; only, it didnt end in their favor.
yo3345 1 year ago
@yo3345 I'm the DUMBASS? Why don't you research shit b4 running your mouth?! You can read the fucking state dept. affidavits online about the gov't informant arguing his case to get him in town AWAY from the complex. Look it up b4 you reply like an ignoramous....AGAIN.
Grantrus71 1 year ago
You are a coward an idiot a jack ass a fool a starving man on the street beging to see the truth dying slowly
FreedomsLastStand 1 year ago
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oculist2020 1 year ago
@oculist2020 the branch davidians were not I SAY WERE NOT int he affadavit and no there wass no "child" just unscrupulous lies made up by an splc subsidary a fascist org called CAN Cult Awareness Network that was thoroghly discreidted and refuted and prosecuted on criminal kidnapping charges and horrible acts..........
deltapunk21 1 year ago
@deltapunk21 I don't understand your point. It has no bearing on any remark I made.
oculist2020 1 year ago
@deltapunk21 your horrible english shows you know alot
ANAHEIM8 1 year ago
Please can we send all the crazy, know-nothings to an island somewhere, so they can have their own country and leave us be and live in peace.
TrishRoma 1 year ago
@TrishRoma Sounds desirable, however in some body elses book, you would be a crazy know nothing.
oculist2020 1 year ago
Clinton was a fud
tiewebb 1 year ago