Ridiculous. The only reason people tune in (or tuned in) to Olbermann's ranting was because of his style -- the monotony of his heavy voice, stern expression, glasses, and endless prattling on
All that one sees in the media concerning non-Caucasians blaming "whites" for all the world's ills go straight back to when foreign-born Koppel did his Nightline show. Whether it's those back-stabbers on "The View" or Dewayne Wickham using his USAToday column to hate on Caucasians, ... it ALL traces back to Koppel's fear and obscene pandering to blacks!
Koppel masked his evil by speaking positively about Caucasians only in generic terms while butchering Caucasians via couching lies & halftruths
Where Keith gets it wrong is the fact that when reporters like Cronkite and Murrow opined it was as rare as snow in the summer. Most of the time they simply reported the news.
They didn't flood their newscasts with pundits and so called experts.
They didn't have shows like Olberman or "O'Reilly" where they played to the viewers of a certain philosophy, THEY REPORTED THE FACTS.
Of course, back then people could handle these facts.
Lastly, the people commenting here did not hear this out. KO doesn't personally attack Koppel, but rather his thesis. Keith is branded an ultraliberal because he called out the bullshit EVERYONE in the US MSM swallowed whole about Iraq, and the corruption inside the US justice dept. Reality Check: This journalism is now accepted as fact, and KO is now famous for it. And infamous. For just asking the question: Is this bullshit actually bullshit? This is why FNC doesn't exist outside the US.
Next, KO trashes democrats frequently. For being weak or supporting stupid ideas the GOP fed them. You can't say he carries water for the DNC unless he blindly does so. During primaries he tore Hilary apart for racism. During health care reform he called every Dem out , Obama included, for taking millions from the insurers. He obviously supports a philosophy, but not a political party. Hannity defends Bush like he saved the world, yet added billions to socialized medicine to buy votes.
"GOP did this, GOP did that, you're bias."- Fuckin'. Eh. The problem with that argument is he's right. He's not prejudice, he studied history. When you don't like that someone bring history up and just summarizes instead of taking the 10 minutes needed to tell the whole story, saying "cite your source" makes you look like a fool. Ron Paul, defending his position on leaving Iraq, citing the GOP's more isolationist history, not mentioning when that was.
Ha, Ha! Keith is carrying the torch for honest journalism? He must think his audience is either dumb as bricks or so far in the tank with him they're gonna buy this 12+ minute bullshit hook line and sinker. Awesome guys, I love it. No wonder you don't get. Now feel free to commence the "faux" news and "fixed" news comments. Maybe you have one I haven't heard yet!
Anytime I hear "republicans did this and republicans said that" with absolutly no credited references to back up your accusations, well, I can tell you MSNBC Olbermann, you are no "factual" journalistic news anchor either, only a has-been that peddles garbage to those you "entertain". Your station as well as all the other news agencies should be placed as entertainment and barred under the ban that you seek so bad for Fox News.
@SocialismNow81 Again, Olbermann is a biased news anchor. He attacks republicans every chance he can get. If you cant see that, then you are blind. Its called hypocracy. Fair and Balanced means that he should be fair to republicans and offer their side of the story. Attacking republicans like he does is not fair and is not balanced. Fox News, may not be fair and balanced but niether is MSNBC, CNN, or any other lib "entertainment" channel. The closest thing to Fair and Balanced is CSPAN.
@SocialismNow81 "Anyone working for NBC News who takes part in civic or other outside activities may find that these activities jeopardize his or her standing as an impartial journalist because they may create the appearance of a conflict of interest. Such activities may include participation in or contributions to political campaigns or groups that espouse controversial positions. " LOL, HES SLANTED DOUCHE!
Wow, that was gripping infotainment Keith. Koppel is right ... these "opinion oriented" shows aren't news, they are agenda-driven, profit-driven, slanted pieces of crap that - just as Koppel said - appeal to the biases of their viewers.
Yeah,Keith;your new Fact free brand of journalism is something to be proud of;Koppell never would have invited a Janene Garafolo to define a mass movement as a band of racist rednecks;he might have invited someone with credentials in political science;and he never would have a "worst people in the world" segment comprised almost entirely of people from one party;and he never would spend an entire show editorializing and invite only people who agreed with everything he said. Journalism is dead.
Ted is right about the death of news c'mon we've all known this for a long time but finally someone in the media actually tels the truth and is criticized. All these people in cable news fox AND msnbc and are characters created to entertain us not inform us.
"I criticized Mr. Obama more this week then Fox did in 8 years!" LOL.....First of that is not true. Even Hannity took Bush to task plenty for you guessed it, not being conservative enough.
Just as Olbermann only really takes Obama to task for not being liberal enough or using the Presidential office to go send attack dogs to go after Republicans. Yes, real "criticism" there Keith.
hey keith! dont let the truth get in the way of a good story! news flash olbermann, there will always be have's and have not's, no society in existence past or present can escape this simple fact of life. people will either do for themselves, or wait for others to do it for them. fair in your eyes meas an equal share of misery, while the option to fail is carried away on the backs of the "have's". your career can be summed up as a man trying to push a proven, flawed axiom, inspiring dependence
@terotolo that didnt take long. i guess the rock thrown at the dog pile landed on you. you yelped first. didnt mean to cast a bad color on your boy keith, since its obvious you have a crush on the dude, you could continue to be consistent and hurl more insults, or you can be inconsistent, and actually provide coherent argument.
@Weaselnest LOL..wait, wait.. YOU'RE criticizing ME for hurling insults? Seems my rock was way smaller and got a FAR bigger yelp outa u.. X) Oh, n here's ur coherent argument: When in the last 10 years did the "haves" carry away the option to fail for the "have nots"?? Katrina? The Gulf oil disaster? The Wall Street collapse? Soldiers in the field without proper armor? The Tennessee floods? The auto industry? Show me 1....
@terotolo yeah im criticizing you for insulting me, since my response was in no way about you, or directed toward you. and speaking of yelps, i see 4 responses to my zero, yet you seem to think your yelp isnt still ringing, like that of a scorched pup. to answer your question, when in the last 10 years? how bout the last 300 years. go look at every failed socialist country, and see how bankrupt the idea of "public welfare" has served. self-preservation to you is equaled to "looter mentality".
@terotolo your taking natural disasters, and equating them with problems caused by a growing central government. i doubt you care about the constitution, or about all the numerous fallacies you hide as "arguments". wall street, auto industry, housing industry, banking, were all prevented from failing, your Keynesian president, they pick and choose which industry makes it, and which ones dont. all by our tax dollars. let me guess you live on the west coast, probably a humanist too.
Respond to this video......Oh, and using words like "axiom" doesn't hide the fact that your lil' every-man-for-himself philosophy is a looter's mentality. The great lesson of Nature is Unity; interdependence. Every great thinker and revolutionary in history has known that. So not only is ur victimy ideas unsustainable, as the economic colapse proved, but they're un-natural. Too coherent fo' ya!
@terotolo im sorry if the word axiom made you have to waist 10 seconds googleing the meaning. not "every man for himself" but self-preservation. you commit the fallacy of reification, nature cannot teach a lesson, humans do, humans interpret the evidence, not "nature". so its YOU that think Unity and Interdependence is some great lesson of Nature. if you carry this nonsense to conclusion, then what about survival of the fittest? you up for that? what about charity? you find that in nature?cont.
@terotolo cont... i'd love to know who you deem a "great thinker and revolutionary". seems anyone that can even think for themselves by your standards would be a "great" one, since they can evidently do what you have failed to do on your own. you use all good progressive talking points, just like a good boy. ie. unsustainable. the economic collapse is simple economics 101. when the Fed micro manages every aspect of business, it prevents laws of economics from functioning. print/spend/print.
@Weaselnest DING! And the winner by Knock Out! He easily bests yet another Right Winger in a dazzling display of factual application to the pitted face of stupidity itself; the undisputed champion...TERO!!! Proving yet again, if ur going to have a battle of wits, it's best to come armed! This time the opponent didn't even bother rearing his head after the beatdown given him by the champ... That's all folks; goodnight 'n GOOD LUCK. XD
@terotolo just like a fool to claim victory prematurely. while you were running your mouth, i was on a business trip, sorry i couldnt play your games. judging by your self promotional style of logic, i suggest you really think about what you are saying, because your on course for being ousted by sound, coherant, logical thought processes. i doubt you could find your "axiom" much less point to why you choose to belief them. i suspect a humanist, flawed and dyed in the wool. possible hypocrite.
@PatricksTime Lame. That's a lame-ass argument. Popularity is no gauge for quality or how right something is. Hitler was VERY popular pal. And the popular kids in school were hardly the best kids in school, were they..
While no fan of Olbermann, this was a very well-expressed response aned I'm glad he mentioning Koppel's dishonesty on Iraq.
However , I think Olbermann simplifies things. The choice isn't between pure objectivity and pure editorializing, rather what's needed is looking at things both rationally and morally, without any references to politics. The news orgs. should adapt the Socratic Method and keeping questioning until the truth arrives.
Also Koppel wasn't "objective' on Iraq, as supported it.
Network journalists were too light on the Bush administration. The explosion of Fox News, the post 9/11 culture of fear, the bullet Rather took and the resulting conformation of network journalists to the mix was a disservice to the world. O. has worked to break this conformity.
However, what is worse: Light reporting to keep your show on the air, or in depth reporting with a personality that alienates a large portion of the country to keep your show on the air? Koppel's criticism resonates.
Olbermann's argument doesn't work. See, the examples he is sighting involve reporters reporting facts; however, Olbermann uses rhetoric to slant the facts--or stretch the truth--thereby breaking neutrality, and directing the audience in a certain direction.
For him to respond, shows his defensiveness, but the most ironic part of this "special comment" is that he defends himself using rhetoric, exactly what Koppel was alleging in his Op-ed. Olbermann is no journalist; he is a commentator.
@ripper909420 That news reporting, should be only the facts, is a fantasy because it is being reported by human beings. Did not Walter Cronkite conclude that the USA should get out of Vietnam. Was that objective or did he report the logical course of action that one man concluded, after sifting through the facts. Fair and balanced doesn't ignore what slaps you in the face. There is no room for journalists to sellout and still remain credible. Conscience driven journalism is now rare and failing.
@ripper909420 Yeah, it is not such much that people are being outright dishonest, it is more like confirmation bias. We go in having a certain ideological bent, and we find the facts that agree with it. The world we want to exist is the world we create. He is ironically doing what Koppel is criticizing.
"While FOX may be such, we are not doctrinaire." To quote someone every bit as credible as Olbermann, Bugs Bunny, "OH MARGARET!" The fact that Olbermann can't admit he is a leftist sympathizer shows that he is delusional, a liar, or convinced that his viewers have been lobotomized. So he shows FOX News personalities disagreeing with each other. Big deal. How about a clip of Olbermann having anyone of substance on his show who disagrees with him. Methinks the Marxist doth protest too much.
the people who listen faithfully to this idiot are no better than the morons who tune into o'reilly and hannity and actually believe what they're listening to.
Keith Oberman is a total scrotum. I hope you DIMS keep listening to OberDick and that other guy Maldow. Keep watching those two guys so MSNBC can dream that there is some money to be made by LIBS viewers watching a Third Rate show. Oberman lied and donated money to campaigns. He knee he was breaking the network rules. Thay slapped his wrist. Be honest, if Hannity got caught the same thing would of OberDick had said? Don't think too hard. You know the answer.
Olbermann is absolutely correct. A reporter can state facts that are true and yet not report the whole truth. Selective reporting is as false and deceptive as the pure rhetoric of a pundit. CNN is a perfect example of this kind or propaganda told with a straight face. Of course, Fox News is far worse than CNN, but that doesn't CNN is much better. Not telling the full truth is simply one step away from outright lying. In some ways, partial truth is far more damaging than obvious lies.
Olbermann, O'Reilly, Maddow and other commentators' comments is no different imo than those pathetic youtube webcam fights.
They're playing a game of he said that, but no he lied, and here's the proof, and you cut away what i said, you cencured this and bla bla bla.
And you're still sitting infront of the television and taking sides with "well spoken" people you don't know in real life, that are working for billion dollar media organizations that promotes the companies' opinions through. fyl
Koppel promoted conservative Republican-teabagger propaganda for 24 years on Nightline, under the guise of objectivity. he was well paid millions a year for his lies. During that time the working class was stripped of their limited power and the wealthy increased their power and wealth a million times. Kopple never said a single word against this injustice or any real injustice in the world.
In 24 years, he never said anything 1/10th as truthful and intelligent as Mr. Olbermann expressed here.
@JayPhilosopher Your lack of knowledge regarding Mr. Koppels career is stunning. Mr. Olberman is great at what he does, being a political hack. His name is synonymous with, Beck, Limbaugh, Sharpton, and Maddow. He is not a journalist and he most certainly is not the heir to Mr. Murrow legacy.
@markp10311969. Thank you for the term "political hack". That well describes Mr. Koppel, a reactionary, conservative political hack using all his cheap rhetorical skills in defending the rights of the ruling class to torture and murder the working class of the world.
On the other hand, Mr. Olbermann is a free, independent and brilliant thinker with a passionate and kind spirit, a gentleman of great courage and honor.
He has nothing whatever to do with the Nazi assholes like Beck and Limbaugh.
@JayPhilosopher olbermann is a gnat next to Koppell;you're on crack with the statement that Koppel"never said a single word against ..real injustice"is pile of horseshit:I still remember his town hall shows;one in Georgetown,the other in the Palestinian territories;they were raw and ordinary people spoke their mind ,sometimes quite angrily;Cable tv is a circus;the lie of olbermann's show is it's dedication to NEVER showing opposing viewpoints;it's propaganda.
"I wish all you assholes would stop hating on olbermann.. He's the only sane one that I can identify with. If you don't identify with Olbermann your a paranoid psychotic pseudo-patriotic nazi christian zionist "
"Every single person on these comments makes me fucking sick. I hope our country is destroyed by nuclear missiles so we never make it out into space with our sick disgusting minds and demonic egotistical souls"
Ladies and Gentlemen, here's Keith Olbermann's fan base. Enough said.
@dontblockmedk How do you do that without forcing/dictating to people? You can't.
People are not equal. Some people have greater abilities and intelligence than others. You will never make people "equal" without oppressing people. There will be people who don't want to "share" the fruits of their labor and creativity. How will you force them to? Totalitarianism.
Every single person on these comments makes me fucking sick. I hope our country is destroyed by nuclear missiles so we never make it out into space with our sick disgusting minds and demonic egotistical souls
I wish all you assholes would stop hating on olbermann.. He's the only sane one that I can identify with. If you don't identify with Olbermann your a paranoid psychotic pseudo-patriotic nazi christian zionist
@ShaktipatSeer Your frustration is understandable but it's not their fault. You are correct in saying that they are afraid and why wouldn't they be if they didn't know any better. The question is do they live their day to day lives thinking about who's left and who's right or do they just get things done? It's the time when you sit at home and assign blame to your problems. You can either listen to manufactured facts or seek and deal with the truth.
@terotolo,1st of all,I wasn't just criticizing only msnbc! I was merely stating a point,Any network is gonna bow down to their sponsors.You can defend them all you want but their still a network full of left wing,oooooohhhhh,that explains it.your on the left so no matter that i'm right,your still gonna argue! They are all,fox nbc,abc,cnn,msnbc,a bunch of corporation puppets that are on whatever side of the fence that will benefit the corporation!I wish it was different but its not so deal w/it!
~~> What about that 2billion dollar trip BO just took... I would rather go with FACT based the FUAX based anyday... And people who are smart enuff to tell the difference between fact and fiction can see the slant... No one watches the news hour... If it aint prudy no one will watch... Wheres Mr. Beale when we need him??
As long as each is identified clearly: no problem.
Even if there is going to be commentary/analysis, having it from both sides of the argument would be valuable. That way, one could say they are fair and balanced on the issue -- which is a motto of FNC, as opposed to "Lean Forward" which is neither a motto or a way of doing business, or meaningful.
@JohnnyContempt Keith, when you come right out and say 9/11 must be re-investigated, that it certainly appears that the facts point directly to this end then I might give a listen.
Until then well, I can see right through your shit.
Oh, and you will have to do better than that pathetic unapologetic piece that Geraldo did. (I do respect him now more than you).
This is an opportunity. Be the first MSM so called journalist to tell the real truth about 9/11.
"insist long enough that the driving principle behind the great journalism of the television era was neutrality and objectivity and not subjective choices and often dangerous observations, and even commentary, and you will eventually leave the door open pointless worship at temple of a false god, and once you got a false god, your gonna get false priests, and sooner rather than later, in a world where subjective analysis is labeled evil and dangerous, some political mountebank is going to..."
@ripper909420 "...see his opening and seize the very cataclysm of that false god. Words like objective and neutral, and two-sided, and fair and unbalanced, and he will pervert them into a catchphrase, a brand-name, and he can create something that is no more journalism than two men screaming at each other as a musical duet, but as long as there are two men as long as they are fair an balanced, is not the news consumer entranced by the screaming and the fact that his man eventually and always...
@ripper909420 out-screams the other, is not he convinced that he has seen true journalism, true balance and true objectivity. "Wow that was a whole lot of BS. Take ten or fifteen minutes to analyze this commentary. see if you kind find any logic whatsoever.
He uses a hypothetical situation--or, false dilemma, attempting to scare us into believing that if journalism was fair and objective, that we "worship at a temple of a false god" which doesn't make sense.
all this false equivalence between fox and msnbc is horsesh#@! msnbc doesn't have their producers fire up the crowd at an anti-gov't rally of their own creation, doesn't have nearly every possible next leader of one party on its payroll as paid contributors or hosts and do no alter or lie about when certain footage was shot in order further promote those anti-gov't rallies, and doesn't race bait constantly. Yes, there is a tilt but not a full out lie-fest as on fox everyday.
Watch Dan Rathers vid here on youtube! even hes fed up with all the spin thats spoonfed to us via the mainstream media!Foxs owner has confessed to fabricating their bullshit! yellow journalism is alive and well here in the good ol,USA!
all i hear out of this talking head is,WAH WAH mr.Koppel is saying that we,the mainstream media are lying!WAH,QAH,we don't report the objective news! WAH,change my diaper, its full of shit! the mainstream media are forced by the owners and corporate sponsors to report what they tell them to!ALL of them! For example, when BP caused the biggest oil spill ever,they said nothing negative,then,cut to commercial& low and behold, its a BP commercial! ALL LYING SACKS OF SHIT W/SCRIPTED NEWS NO TRUTH!
@1dabirdman Wait WHAT?? 1st, MSNBC is hardly the mainstream, but forget that for a sec; MSNBC was all over BP's ass during the oil disaster (it wasn't a "spill")!! They exposed them harassing cleanup workers when BP said they couldn't talk to press and couldn't wear respirators and exposed politicians who tried to gloss over the severity of the it!! FOX? Pitching for BP, as if we didn't know... Get it right.
so what you're saying is,if tou report real news,the owners,and corporate sponsers will out you of your cushy job! You and all mainstream media twist the truth and when you get caught you backpeddle too sugarcoat the truth!Its a shame that being a 2 party system you lean to whatever party you support! theres nothing in the constitution about supporting any party so they should all be dissolved and then there would be fair elec/govnmt. My Koppel,i applaud you for calling the news what it is lies!
As a danish person, I really cant tell the difference between Fox and msnbc, sure they appear to have different styles, I only know that a self loving personage like Olbermann in my part of the world is known as a spinn doctor/commentator, NOT a journalist...
Olbermann needs music , it keeps people going in their little circle jerk , CNN TO FOX TO MSNBC TO CBS and around and around for the rest of their pathetic life , thanks Mox , you really do live in a compartmentalized little world
"evaluate, anayze, unscramble, assess, put together a coherent picture or a challenging question using only the facts...". yet not once did this sucker of satan's cock ask one goddamn question about wtc building number 7 for instance. fu
@terotolo God damn another retard tries to defend MSNBC by saying that FOX is worse. You know you may be right, but MSNBC is still guilty, and pointing the finger at the other evil does not make them anyless guilty, so can we stick to this topic, the one about Keith Obermann, who doesnt work for fox, but MSNBC
@ab1978jobs The topic isn't Olbermann. It's this pseudo-comparison that MSNBC is the equel-but-opposite of FOX NEWS. It is not, and that view point is a lazy generallization. No doubt MSNBC is in the progressive corner, but MSNBC's stories ARE fact based, and when they get the facts wrong, THEY APOLOGIZE AND CORRECT IT. I am yet to hear an apology from O'Rielly for his slandering of US soldiers for the Malmady Massacre in WW2. That's only 1, I cud name many more...
"...and I apologizes up front for the heavy self reference, but i hope you will agree this is important." I do agree! This is important. This is a great way to show the real intent of your broadcast. Saving your own @ss! your ratings are crap! And someone who has labored in the old tradition of searching for the truth (nothing this DB from ESPN has ever done) calls you out on your BS, your only line of defense is he is old and the old way is failing. Olbermann is NO BETTER than rest. BOOOOOB!!!
what about israel? Palestine? AIPAC and the subornation of congress, white house and judiciary?
what about the fact that elana kagan cited, as her role model, an israeli supreme court justice, aaron barak, who has been criticized from across the israeli socio-political spectrum for legislating from the bench. a former israeli SC chief justice said barak is the greatest threat to israeli democracy (more like a mythocracy).
@ArtetlaMusique87 Your first mistake was assuming that I watch FOX news. I utterly detest FOX news in about the same way I detest MSNBC. I can't take anyone seriously who believes one is in some way better than the other. They are equally biased and disgusting in my opinion. I get all my news and information from independent sources online and I never stick to one source for more than a week at a time. Any argument trying to persuade me to think otherwise will fail miserably.
Thank goodness there is still a handful of journalist who are willing to stand on the right side of History. Keith is not perfect, but in a world of horrendous journalism, and an utter lack of journalistic integrity, he is by far one of the better options
As for Fox "news", any Network that has contenders of the Presidency (for which they have 3) on their pay roll are not worthy of my time because their ability to be objective is non existent
@khenry88 Thumbs up. But let's replace "objective" with "truthful"? Expressing subjective interpretations of facts is not the big problem. Intentionally misleading people to further your ideology is.
@dukeljk Are you serious?! There's nothing on the left approaching Glenn Beck. KO is a blowhard with a tiresome schtick. But he's almost always *factual*, even if you disagree with the related opinion. Also I've seen him issue numerous retractions when he was wrong. He didn't accuse Brown of rape afaik. But, yes, that tirade was ridiculous.
Glenn Beck's *intent* is to mislead. He just pulls shit out of ass.
Olbermann's argument doesn't work. See, the examples he is sighting involve reporters reporting facts; however, Olbermann uses rhetoric to slant the facts--or stretch the truth--thereby breaking neutrality, and directing the audience in a certain direction.
For him to respond, shows his defensiveness, but the most ironic part of this "special comment" is that he defends himself using rhetoric, exactly what Koppel was alleging in his Op-ed. Olbermann is no journalist; he is a commentator.
So you are more concerned with his rhetorics and not his message?
He is a commentator! He doesn't ave to be right all the time! But as a newsman, he have to have facts as basics for his rhetorics. As long as he don't break ethics or any laws, he can use the words any way he likes.
Are you ranting away about Glenn Beck the same way as you do about Olbermann?
@ripper909420 So basically, his intelligent special comment went over your biased head, where you already had a preconcieved idea of what reality is, which kept you from actually listening to and "thinking" about what he said.
Of course, its bad enough you dont even know what rhetoric means and attribute it to anything you disagree with because of course, only what you believe is the truth, what he reports is rhetoric.
@waltermh111 No, i do know what rhetoric is and this special comment was full of it. maybe you need to go to a critical thinking class because you do not know what you are talking about. Secondly, his "intelligent special comment" did not go over my head. You, as well as the person you idolize, both use rhetoric devices. you attacked me instead of my argument..
News should be factual, essentially reporting what has happened and not directing us on how we should feel about what has happened.
Keith is a gasbag, and certainly not in the same class as Cronkite or Murrow. It's unfortunate that you have to be obnoxious to get a network show. That's what happens when news is owned by the entertainment business.
However, his points about false balance vs integrity are absolutely correct. And even though he's a blowhard, he has a lot more integrity than the folks on Fox.
Bias isn't the problem, lies are. After all, "reality has a well-known liberal bias".
@jstncbllr Do you watch Fox and have you ever studied any Fox member's background? You are, IMFAO, confusing integrity with dislike which have two fundamentally different meaning. As for Olberman being a gas bag ok, does he have intergrity - according to you yes - OK. How can I take your opinion seriously when you mention that Olberman has alot more intergrity than the folks on Fox. Your post makes me believe that you truly do not know Fox members well.
@MrFoshobro Uh, yes. I don't see how you can be a thinking person and take Fox seriously. They have a couple of people who are OK sometimes, like Shep Smith. But the big names are all paragons of mendacity.
I mean, Hannity? Really, you think Hannity's mission is to *inform* people?
I have no idea what you mean by "integrity vs dislike". Maybe you're questioning my ability to discern bullshit objectively. The fact is I "dislike" Fox *and* KO too. But Fox deliberately misleads people.
@jstncbllr you must be just one of the many haters. How is it that Fox continues to outperform MSNBC in audience views? Don't waste your time making up an excuse cause' it is what it is - more ppl. watch Fox. - u dislike Hannity but how is Hannity any different than Olbermann? Of course Hannity is informing - maybe u don't like the way he gets his message across just like I don't like Olbermann way. But your are letting your dislike of an org get in the way of making a rational statement.
@MrFoshobro My statement was, in fact, completely rational. My problem w/ Hannity et. al. isn't his style, it's his *content*. Fox spews garbage. That's not personal opinion. It's observable fact. Whether you or I "like the message" is irrelevant.
That you're talking about "haters" and "ratings" makes it clear that you're one of their zombies.
@jstncbllr God gave humans 'free will' - unfortunately this leaves open the possibility of some individuals to choose to be dueshbags - congratulations! - "spews garbage" you have the ability to put together well thought out arguments to support your claims - another gift you should be proud of. Just remember man - to control the anger you have - their is a reason why more of the public is attracted to Fox.
Second, there's nothing for to me "argue"; you either care about honesty and integrity, or... you continue to be a Fox zombie.
Third, I'm not angry. But, I guess anyone who calls out Fox's BS is an angry hater, right?
Fourth, the reason people are attracted to Fox: it's very well polished propaganda. Fox spoon feeds crap, and folks like you lap it up. Having high ratings doesn't make it good. High quality news TV has always struggled with viewership.
@jstncbllr douchy bag.. listen man I think you need a fresh baked cookie. After you munch on the cookie .... you will be in a better mood. At that point maybe you should consider an open mind and discussing this topic with some1 with a view- point opposite of yours. I just want to let you know that its ok to disagree - but by being so stubborn on your views u r only limiting yourself. I welcome the idea of being a zombie as long as it allows me to continue to consider Fox an info source.
@MrFoshobro Here's the thing. I watch/listen to fox an hour or two a day. And catch Beck,rush,hannity and savage every other day abouts. So that I can I keep track of the collateral damage they leave in thier wake. I used to type them out and keep trac, but there was just too much for me to jot down that I gave up counting. But if "hooked on fox" is shown absolute facts increminating them for misinforming thier audience. Superior conartists, its like a football game to them.
I didn't watch the video but let me see if I can guess what he says just from looking at the title: Ted Koppel wrote a piece in some newspaper saying that today's mainstream media is not real news and he basically makes a comparison that Olbermann/MSNBC and O'Reilly/FOX are equally pathetic "news" organizations. Olbermann then blabbers for 13 minutes about how he is not as bad as O'Reilly and MSNBC is not as bad as FOX. In the end he fails to make a point and proves the original article true?
@buckmastr123 Swing and a miss! He made the point that virtually all of the country's great broadcast journalists, including Kronkite, had their best and most memorable moments when they DID express an opinion on the stories they were covering. That, and he reminded us that before our entry into WWII, Republicans were still trying to make a deal with Hitler... All true.
Did someone at MSNBC ever advocate for the overthrow of the current President? Has any MSNBC anchor called the President a racist without any proof to back up such a claim? Did Olbermann speak at or take any part of a political event or did Hannity do that?
he damn sure went hard on koppel..keith is gangsta..he goes in on Obama more times than Fox goes in on Bush...i just noticed that when he mentioned that...i was like " yeah...i didnt notice that..but you are right"...i have short term memory,,,but thanks for the reminder keith!!!
ugh, i like olbermann's politics and his show is really very entertaining, but he can't seriously be comparing himself to cronkite & murrow and he certainly can't be arguing FOR newscasters, reporters and anchors being biased, impartial and unbalanced? sorry keith, again, love ya (and rachel too) but you are indeed NO DIFFERENT from hannity and o'reilly. you just the opposite side of the same coin. just because you say you aren't, doesn't make it true. one word: PALESTINE.
@EmpathyWorks just saying it doesn't make it true. he problem with what we call news is that as long as the perception is what we want, we couldn't give a rat's ass about truth. he may not invent facts like fox news, but he (along with maddow & stewart) deliberately keep the focus on the other side. they pay lip service to going after the left as well as the right, but they cherry-pick which stories they want to cover in order to create the perception of fairness.
@WikeddTung not one person in the media stood up for helen thomas (a real journalist) including olbermann, he never interviews people like chomsky or finklestein who have legitimate & harsh criticisms of the left (no one does. don't you think it's strange that two of the most preeminent american intellectuals today are NEVER featured in the MSM? i do.) and you won't find one mention of the goldstone report in any episode of countdown. that's not truth. those are called lies of OMISSION.
@WikeddTung Well said. I agree with most of what Olbermann has to say about the right-wing and the fact that we have these guys out there to keep tabs on the nuttiness of republicans & conservatives is awesome. But I'm not blind, simple or insecure enough to choose to believe that liberals, progressives and democrats can't have an agenda too. All you have to do is look at Democracy Now. Amy goodman makes Keith look like a stand-up comedian.
@WikeddTung Someone like Chomsky would only work as an hour long program where he just talks and you listen and enjoy. His answers are far too in-depth and multidimensional to squeeze into a brief interview on a program format like Olbermann.
Well keith, it definitely has died with you. You're a hypocrite, an ass, and no better than the rest of em. They should have kept you off the air but it just shows how bad MSNBC is. Possibly worse than Fox if not probably. Fox at least puts people like the judge on.
Ridiculous. The only reason people tune in (or tuned in) to Olbermann's ranting was because of his style -- the monotony of his heavy voice, stern expression, glasses, and endless prattling on
chevyGamul 1 month ago
Olbie just hates everything Conservative...Kind of hard to see the truth with your head stuffed so far up your own ass...
fatalyhip 7 months ago
All that one sees in the media concerning non-Caucasians blaming "whites" for all the world's ills go straight back to when foreign-born Koppel did his Nightline show. Whether it's those back-stabbers on "The View" or Dewayne Wickham using his USAToday column to hate on Caucasians, ... it ALL traces back to Koppel's fear and obscene pandering to blacks!
Koppel masked his evil by speaking positively about Caucasians only in generic terms while butchering Caucasians via couching lies & halftruths
guyNbluejeans 1 year ago
Where Keith gets it wrong is the fact that when reporters like Cronkite and Murrow opined it was as rare as snow in the summer. Most of the time they simply reported the news.
They didn't flood their newscasts with pundits and so called experts.
They didn't have shows like Olberman or "O'Reilly" where they played to the viewers of a certain philosophy, THEY REPORTED THE FACTS.
Of course, back then people could handle these facts.
airdriver 1 year ago 2
Koppel was right. And Olby is gone. :)
klrdotorg 1 year ago
Notice how many times he uses the words "fair and balanced." Is he not a tool?
riward56 1 year ago
Olberman is a tool for the Democrats.
riward56 1 year ago
Lastly, the people commenting here did not hear this out. KO doesn't personally attack Koppel, but rather his thesis. Keith is branded an ultraliberal because he called out the bullshit EVERYONE in the US MSM swallowed whole about Iraq, and the corruption inside the US justice dept. Reality Check: This journalism is now accepted as fact, and KO is now famous for it. And infamous. For just asking the question: Is this bullshit actually bullshit? This is why FNC doesn't exist outside the US.
Seskal 1 year ago
Next, KO trashes democrats frequently. For being weak or supporting stupid ideas the GOP fed them. You can't say he carries water for the DNC unless he blindly does so. During primaries he tore Hilary apart for racism. During health care reform he called every Dem out , Obama included, for taking millions from the insurers. He obviously supports a philosophy, but not a political party. Hannity defends Bush like he saved the world, yet added billions to socialized medicine to buy votes.
Seskal 1 year ago
Where to start with the KO hategroup here.
"GOP did this, GOP did that, you're bias."- Fuckin'. Eh. The problem with that argument is he's right. He's not prejudice, he studied history. When you don't like that someone bring history up and just summarizes instead of taking the 10 minutes needed to tell the whole story, saying "cite your source" makes you look like a fool. Ron Paul, defending his position on leaving Iraq, citing the GOP's more isolationist history, not mentioning when that was.
Seskal 1 year ago
Ha, Ha! Keith is carrying the torch for honest journalism? He must think his audience is either dumb as bricks or so far in the tank with him they're gonna buy this 12+ minute bullshit hook line and sinker. Awesome guys, I love it. No wonder you don't get. Now feel free to commence the "faux" news and "fixed" news comments. Maybe you have one I haven't heard yet!
sonicharmony 1 year ago
Why is everybody ganging up on Keith Olbermann? Infomercials have higher ratings than him. Give the Poor guy a break.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
Anytime I hear "republicans did this and republicans said that" with absolutly no credited references to back up your accusations, well, I can tell you MSNBC Olbermann, you are no "factual" journalistic news anchor either, only a has-been that peddles garbage to those you "entertain". Your station as well as all the other news agencies should be placed as entertainment and barred under the ban that you seek so bad for Fox News.
SuperFifthwheel 1 year ago
@SuperFifthwheel Name one time that Keith has ever made a false claim about a Republican or stop pretending you know what you're talking about.
SocialismNow81 1 year ago
@SocialismNow81 Again, Olbermann is a biased news anchor. He attacks republicans every chance he can get. If you cant see that, then you are blind. Its called hypocracy. Fair and Balanced means that he should be fair to republicans and offer their side of the story. Attacking republicans like he does is not fair and is not balanced. Fox News, may not be fair and balanced but niether is MSNBC, CNN, or any other lib "entertainment" channel. The closest thing to Fair and Balanced is CSPAN.
SuperFifthwheel 1 year ago
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SuperFifthwheel 1 year ago
@SocialismNow81 "Anyone working for NBC News who takes part in civic or other outside activities may find that these activities jeopardize his or her standing as an impartial journalist because they may create the appearance of a conflict of interest. Such activities may include participation in or contributions to political campaigns or groups that espouse controversial positions. " LOL, HES SLANTED DOUCHE!
SuperFifthwheel 1 year ago
@SocialismNow81 He sounds like Sean Hannity to me.
markp10311969 1 year ago
Wow, that was gripping infotainment Keith. Koppel is right ... these "opinion oriented" shows aren't news, they are agenda-driven, profit-driven, slanted pieces of crap that - just as Koppel said - appeal to the biases of their viewers.
drchaffee 1 year ago
Yeah,Keith;your new Fact free brand of journalism is something to be proud of;Koppell never would have invited a Janene Garafolo to define a mass movement as a band of racist rednecks;he might have invited someone with credentials in political science;and he never would have a "worst people in the world" segment comprised almost entirely of people from one party;and he never would spend an entire show editorializing and invite only people who agreed with everything he said. Journalism is dead.
mrbriscoe2001 1 year ago
Ted is right about the death of news c'mon we've all known this for a long time but finally someone in the media actually tels the truth and is criticized. All these people in cable news fox AND msnbc and are characters created to entertain us not inform us.
locoporloscornballs 1 year ago
"I criticized Mr. Obama more this week then Fox did in 8 years!" LOL.....First of that is not true. Even Hannity took Bush to task plenty for you guessed it, not being conservative enough.
Just as Olbermann only really takes Obama to task for not being liberal enough or using the Presidential office to go send attack dogs to go after Republicans. Yes, real "criticism" there Keith.
The dude is the ultimate hypocritical joke.
woodandsosa 1 year ago
Wow, does he sound like a left wing Glenn Beck or what!
markp10311969 1 year ago
@markp10311969 That was a joke right?? He's not even close to the evangelical freak show Beck is!
terotolo 1 year ago
If this wasn't the most moronic glob of egotistical drivel television's ever seen I don't know what is.
TommyWaters 1 year ago
lol...more views than prime time viewers
PatricksTime 1 year ago
Anyone wanna bet how long Maddow and Olbermann last on MSNC?
fmckadoo 1 year ago
hey keith! dont let the truth get in the way of a good story! news flash olbermann, there will always be have's and have not's, no society in existence past or present can escape this simple fact of life. people will either do for themselves, or wait for others to do it for them. fair in your eyes meas an equal share of misery, while the option to fail is carried away on the backs of the "have's". your career can be summed up as a man trying to push a proven, flawed axiom, inspiring dependence
Weaselnest 1 year ago
@Weaselnest Wow..."weasel" fits just about perfectly don't it...
terotolo 1 year ago
@terotolo that didnt take long. i guess the rock thrown at the dog pile landed on you. you yelped first. didnt mean to cast a bad color on your boy keith, since its obvious you have a crush on the dude, you could continue to be consistent and hurl more insults, or you can be inconsistent, and actually provide coherent argument.
Weaselnest 1 year ago
@Weaselnest LOL..wait, wait.. YOU'RE criticizing ME for hurling insults? Seems my rock was way smaller and got a FAR bigger yelp outa u.. X) Oh, n here's ur coherent argument: When in the last 10 years did the "haves" carry away the option to fail for the "have nots"?? Katrina? The Gulf oil disaster? The Wall Street collapse? Soldiers in the field without proper armor? The Tennessee floods? The auto industry? Show me 1....
terotolo 1 year ago
@terotolo yeah im criticizing you for insulting me, since my response was in no way about you, or directed toward you. and speaking of yelps, i see 4 responses to my zero, yet you seem to think your yelp isnt still ringing, like that of a scorched pup. to answer your question, when in the last 10 years? how bout the last 300 years. go look at every failed socialist country, and see how bankrupt the idea of "public welfare" has served. self-preservation to you is equaled to "looter mentality".
Weaselnest 1 year ago
@terotolo your taking natural disasters, and equating them with problems caused by a growing central government. i doubt you care about the constitution, or about all the numerous fallacies you hide as "arguments". wall street, auto industry, housing industry, banking, were all prevented from failing, your Keynesian president, they pick and choose which industry makes it, and which ones dont. all by our tax dollars. let me guess you live on the west coast, probably a humanist too.
Weaselnest 1 year ago
Respond to this video......Oh, and using words like "axiom" doesn't hide the fact that your lil' every-man-for-himself philosophy is a looter's mentality. The great lesson of Nature is Unity; interdependence. Every great thinker and revolutionary in history has known that. So not only is ur victimy ideas unsustainable, as the economic colapse proved, but they're un-natural. Too coherent fo' ya!
terotolo 1 year ago
@terotolo im sorry if the word axiom made you have to waist 10 seconds googleing the meaning. not "every man for himself" but self-preservation. you commit the fallacy of reification, nature cannot teach a lesson, humans do, humans interpret the evidence, not "nature". so its YOU that think Unity and Interdependence is some great lesson of Nature. if you carry this nonsense to conclusion, then what about survival of the fittest? you up for that? what about charity? you find that in nature?cont.
Weaselnest 1 year ago
@terotolo cont... i'd love to know who you deem a "great thinker and revolutionary". seems anyone that can even think for themselves by your standards would be a "great" one, since they can evidently do what you have failed to do on your own. you use all good progressive talking points, just like a good boy. ie. unsustainable. the economic collapse is simple economics 101. when the Fed micro manages every aspect of business, it prevents laws of economics from functioning. print/spend/print.
Weaselnest 1 year ago
@Weaselnest DING! And the winner by Knock Out! He easily bests yet another Right Winger in a dazzling display of factual application to the pitted face of stupidity itself; the undisputed champion...TERO!!! Proving yet again, if ur going to have a battle of wits, it's best to come armed! This time the opponent didn't even bother rearing his head after the beatdown given him by the champ... That's all folks; goodnight 'n GOOD LUCK. XD
terotolo 1 year ago
@terotolo just like a fool to claim victory prematurely. while you were running your mouth, i was on a business trip, sorry i couldnt play your games. judging by your self promotional style of logic, i suggest you really think about what you are saying, because your on course for being ousted by sound, coherant, logical thought processes. i doubt you could find your "axiom" much less point to why you choose to belief them. i suspect a humanist, flawed and dyed in the wool. possible hypocrite.
Weaselnest 1 year ago
Olbermann is smart. That's a rare thing in today's 24 hour cable news blogosphere cutlure.
337noname 1 year ago 2
olbermann sucks! his ratings prove it...
PatricksTime 1 year ago
@PatricksTime Lame. That's a lame-ass argument. Popularity is no gauge for quality or how right something is. Hitler was VERY popular pal. And the popular kids in school were hardly the best kids in school, were they..
terotolo 1 year ago
While no fan of Olbermann, this was a very well-expressed response aned I'm glad he mentioning Koppel's dishonesty on Iraq.
However , I think Olbermann simplifies things. The choice isn't between pure objectivity and pure editorializing, rather what's needed is looking at things both rationally and morally, without any references to politics. The news orgs. should adapt the Socratic Method and keeping questioning until the truth arrives.
Also Koppel wasn't "objective' on Iraq, as supported it.
Vebinz 1 year ago
Olberman should go back to ESPN and things he understands.
Minuteman9112012 1 year ago
Network journalists were too light on the Bush administration. The explosion of Fox News, the post 9/11 culture of fear, the bullet Rather took and the resulting conformation of network journalists to the mix was a disservice to the world. O. has worked to break this conformity.
However, what is worse: Light reporting to keep your show on the air, or in depth reporting with a personality that alienates a large portion of the country to keep your show on the air? Koppel's criticism resonates.
novaavon1 1 year ago
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novaavon1 1 year ago
What a buncha losers arguing in a YouTube comments section . . Go plant a tree or something.
sleezemoney 1 year ago
Olbermann's argument doesn't work. See, the examples he is sighting involve reporters reporting facts; however, Olbermann uses rhetoric to slant the facts--or stretch the truth--thereby breaking neutrality, and directing the audience in a certain direction.
For him to respond, shows his defensiveness, but the most ironic part of this "special comment" is that he defends himself using rhetoric, exactly what Koppel was alleging in his Op-ed. Olbermann is no journalist; he is a commentator.
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@ripper909420 That news reporting, should be only the facts, is a fantasy because it is being reported by human beings. Did not Walter Cronkite conclude that the USA should get out of Vietnam. Was that objective or did he report the logical course of action that one man concluded, after sifting through the facts. Fair and balanced doesn't ignore what slaps you in the face. There is no room for journalists to sellout and still remain credible. Conscience driven journalism is now rare and failing.
rollsthepaul 1 year ago
@ripper909420 Yeah, it is not such much that people are being outright dishonest, it is more like confirmation bias. We go in having a certain ideological bent, and we find the facts that agree with it. The world we want to exist is the world we create. He is ironically doing what Koppel is criticizing.
natedaug1 1 year ago
"While FOX may be such, we are not doctrinaire." To quote someone every bit as credible as Olbermann, Bugs Bunny, "OH MARGARET!" The fact that Olbermann can't admit he is a leftist sympathizer shows that he is delusional, a liar, or convinced that his viewers have been lobotomized. So he shows FOX News personalities disagreeing with each other. Big deal. How about a clip of Olbermann having anyone of substance on his show who disagrees with him. Methinks the Marxist doth protest too much.
S0uthb0und 1 year ago
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jezmundberserker 1 year ago
Good to see you back asshole. How come your mother still wont claim you???
TheImpeacher 1 year ago
STFU!!!
ChrisnStarry 1 year ago
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XXZZ2244 1 year ago
the people who listen faithfully to this idiot are no better than the morons who tune into o'reilly and hannity and actually believe what they're listening to.
ThePoliticalPugilist 1 year ago 4
Keith Oberman is a total scrotum. I hope you DIMS keep listening to OberDick and that other guy Maldow. Keep watching those two guys so MSNBC can dream that there is some money to be made by LIBS viewers watching a Third Rate show. Oberman lied and donated money to campaigns. He knee he was breaking the network rules. Thay slapped his wrist. Be honest, if Hannity got caught the same thing would of OberDick had said? Don't think too hard. You know the answer.
pggo08 1 year ago
@pggo08 Nice grammar, moron! Stay in school!!
Chasenip 1 year ago
Olberman sure knows his history.
Scipio2021 1 year ago
Olbermann is absolutely correct. A reporter can state facts that are true and yet not report the whole truth. Selective reporting is as false and deceptive as the pure rhetoric of a pundit. CNN is a perfect example of this kind or propaganda told with a straight face. Of course, Fox News is far worse than CNN, but that doesn't CNN is much better. Not telling the full truth is simply one step away from outright lying. In some ways, partial truth is far more damaging than obvious lies.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago 3
Olbermann, O'Reilly, Maddow and other commentators' comments is no different imo than those pathetic youtube webcam fights.
They're playing a game of he said that, but no he lied, and here's the proof, and you cut away what i said, you cencured this and bla bla bla.
And you're still sitting infront of the television and taking sides with "well spoken" people you don't know in real life, that are working for billion dollar media organizations that promotes the companies' opinions through. fyl
puttefnask 1 year ago
This all seems very desperate.
cumbriancool 1 year ago
Koppel promoted conservative Republican-teabagger propaganda for 24 years on Nightline, under the guise of objectivity. he was well paid millions a year for his lies. During that time the working class was stripped of their limited power and the wealthy increased their power and wealth a million times. Kopple never said a single word against this injustice or any real injustice in the world.
In 24 years, he never said anything 1/10th as truthful and intelligent as Mr. Olbermann expressed here.
JayPhilosopher 1 year ago 11
@JayPhilosopher Your lack of knowledge regarding Mr. Koppels career is stunning. Mr. Olberman is great at what he does, being a political hack. His name is synonymous with, Beck, Limbaugh, Sharpton, and Maddow. He is not a journalist and he most certainly is not the heir to Mr. Murrow legacy.
markp10311969 1 year ago
@markp10311969. Thank you for the term "political hack". That well describes Mr. Koppel, a reactionary, conservative political hack using all his cheap rhetorical skills in defending the rights of the ruling class to torture and murder the working class of the world.
On the other hand, Mr. Olbermann is a free, independent and brilliant thinker with a passionate and kind spirit, a gentleman of great courage and honor.
He has nothing whatever to do with the Nazi assholes like Beck and Limbaugh.
JayPhilosopher 1 year ago
@JayPhilosopher olbermann is a gnat next to Koppell;you're on crack with the statement that Koppel"never said a single word against ..real injustice"is pile of horseshit:I still remember his town hall shows;one in Georgetown,the other in the Palestinian territories;they were raw and ordinary people spoke their mind ,sometimes quite angrily;Cable tv is a circus;the lie of olbermann's show is it's dedication to NEVER showing opposing viewpoints;it's propaganda.
mrbriscoe2001 1 year ago
Next to Ted Koppell,most tv "Reporters today,",including Keith and Rachel,are Ron Burgundys;Modern Cable news is the movie "Network" becoming true...
mrbriscoe2001 1 year ago
I love Olbermann, Koppel is a tool, I'd rather watch a human than a robot report the news.
StanMarsh1 1 year ago 2
Olbermann...another talking head... ex sports broadcaster... the only reason MSNBC hired him is because he loves the sound of his own voice so much.
same with O'reilly going from INside Edition to news broadcasting
these guys don't have the resumes to be political analysts.... their idiots who are good at reading a teleprompter and whoring themselves out.
hharrington05 1 year ago
Olbermann.... if you ever had raw facts or sound philosophy you wouldn't have to use so many words, and you wouldn't have to use so many adverbs.
hharrington05 1 year ago
@hharrington05
Perhaps he should talk slowly for you?
StanMarsh1 1 year ago
"I wish all you assholes would stop hating on olbermann.. He's the only sane one that I can identify with. If you don't identify with Olbermann your a paranoid psychotic pseudo-patriotic nazi christian zionist "
"Every single person on these comments makes me fucking sick. I hope our country is destroyed by nuclear missiles so we never make it out into space with our sick disgusting minds and demonic egotistical souls"
Ladies and Gentlemen, here's Keith Olbermann's fan base. Enough said.
TheDDG 1 year ago
KO is totally correct Koppel LIED us into war, no excuse
"Free market" is ROOT of problems
1. how do you stop corruption caused by profit motive?
2. how do you ensures everyone has minimum necessities?
ANSWER
1. FREELY Share ALL resources & knowledge worldwide, NO more money/property
2. Use LATEST technology to create an ABUNDANCE of all our needs, NO more waste/theft
3. Automate/localize ALL production and distribution, NO more central control/wage slavery
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dontblockmedk 1 year ago 2
@dontblockmedk How do you do that without forcing/dictating to people? You can't.
People are not equal. Some people have greater abilities and intelligence than others. You will never make people "equal" without oppressing people. There will be people who don't want to "share" the fruits of their labor and creativity. How will you force them to? Totalitarianism.
youtube.com/watch?v=Tvqsv1pPSbg
PrudenceWright 1 year ago
America owes Keith Olbermann a great debt of gratitude for calling out lying murdering thieves.
Roonskii 1 year ago
Every single person on these comments makes me fucking sick. I hope our country is destroyed by nuclear missiles so we never make it out into space with our sick disgusting minds and demonic egotistical souls
ShaktipatSeer 1 year ago
I wish all you assholes would stop hating on olbermann.. He's the only sane one that I can identify with. If you don't identify with Olbermann your a paranoid psychotic pseudo-patriotic nazi christian zionist
ShaktipatSeer 1 year ago
@ShaktipatSeer Your frustration is understandable but it's not their fault. You are correct in saying that they are afraid and why wouldn't they be if they didn't know any better. The question is do they live their day to day lives thinking about who's left and who's right or do they just get things done? It's the time when you sit at home and assign blame to your problems. You can either listen to manufactured facts or seek and deal with the truth.
thundavolt 1 year ago
@terotolo,1st of all,I wasn't just criticizing only msnbc! I was merely stating a point,Any network is gonna bow down to their sponsors.You can defend them all you want but their still a network full of left wing,oooooohhhhh,that explains it.your on the left so no matter that i'm right,your still gonna argue! They are all,fox nbc,abc,cnn,msnbc,a bunch of corporation puppets that are on whatever side of the fence that will benefit the corporation!I wish it was different but its not so deal w/it!
1dabirdman 1 year ago
~~> What about that 2billion dollar trip BO just took... I would rather go with FACT based the FUAX based anyday... And people who are smart enuff to tell the difference between fact and fiction can see the slant... No one watches the news hour... If it aint prudy no one will watch... Wheres Mr. Beale when we need him??
sparkyj99 1 year ago
Straight news should be objective.
Commentary and/or analysis need not be.
As long as each is identified clearly: no problem.
Even if there is going to be commentary/analysis, having it from both sides of the argument would be valuable. That way, one could say they are fair and balanced on the issue -- which is a motto of FNC, as opposed to "Lean Forward" which is neither a motto or a way of doing business, or meaningful.
InvestigatorDave 1 year ago
ME ME ME ME ME...
JohnnyContempt 1 year ago
@JohnnyContempt Keith, when you come right out and say 9/11 must be re-investigated, that it certainly appears that the facts point directly to this end then I might give a listen.
Until then well, I can see right through your shit.
Oh, and you will have to do better than that pathetic unapologetic piece that Geraldo did. (I do respect him now more than you).
This is an opportunity. Be the first MSM so called journalist to tell the real truth about 9/11.
JohnnyContempt 1 year ago
I love this guy
Klingschor 1 year ago
"insist long enough that the driving principle behind the great journalism of the television era was neutrality and objectivity and not subjective choices and often dangerous observations, and even commentary, and you will eventually leave the door open pointless worship at temple of a false god, and once you got a false god, your gonna get false priests, and sooner rather than later, in a world where subjective analysis is labeled evil and dangerous, some political mountebank is going to..."
ripper909420 1 year ago
@ripper909420 "...see his opening and seize the very cataclysm of that false god. Words like objective and neutral, and two-sided, and fair and unbalanced, and he will pervert them into a catchphrase, a brand-name, and he can create something that is no more journalism than two men screaming at each other as a musical duet, but as long as there are two men as long as they are fair an balanced, is not the news consumer entranced by the screaming and the fact that his man eventually and always...
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@ripper909420 out-screams the other, is not he convinced that he has seen true journalism, true balance and true objectivity. "Wow that was a whole lot of BS. Take ten or fifteen minutes to analyze this commentary. see if you kind find any logic whatsoever.
He uses a hypothetical situation--or, false dilemma, attempting to scare us into believing that if journalism was fair and objective, that we "worship at a temple of a false god" which doesn't make sense.
Bottom line: its BS
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ripper909420 1 year ago
all this false equivalence between fox and msnbc is horsesh#@! msnbc doesn't have their producers fire up the crowd at an anti-gov't rally of their own creation, doesn't have nearly every possible next leader of one party on its payroll as paid contributors or hosts and do no alter or lie about when certain footage was shot in order further promote those anti-gov't rallies, and doesn't race bait constantly. Yes, there is a tilt but not a full out lie-fest as on fox everyday.
stama9 1 year ago 2
Toss your "TV" to the curb!
Xianman06 1 year ago
Watch Dan Rathers vid here on youtube! even hes fed up with all the spin thats spoonfed to us via the mainstream media!Foxs owner has confessed to fabricating their bullshit! yellow journalism is alive and well here in the good ol,USA!
1dabirdman 1 year ago
all i hear out of this talking head is,WAH WAH mr.Koppel is saying that we,the mainstream media are lying!WAH,QAH,we don't report the objective news! WAH,change my diaper, its full of shit! the mainstream media are forced by the owners and corporate sponsors to report what they tell them to!ALL of them! For example, when BP caused the biggest oil spill ever,they said nothing negative,then,cut to commercial& low and behold, its a BP commercial! ALL LYING SACKS OF SHIT W/SCRIPTED NEWS NO TRUTH!
1dabirdman 1 year ago
@1dabirdman Wait WHAT?? 1st, MSNBC is hardly the mainstream, but forget that for a sec; MSNBC was all over BP's ass during the oil disaster (it wasn't a "spill")!! They exposed them harassing cleanup workers when BP said they couldn't talk to press and couldn't wear respirators and exposed politicians who tried to gloss over the severity of the it!! FOX? Pitching for BP, as if we didn't know... Get it right.
terotolo 1 year ago
so what you're saying is,if tou report real news,the owners,and corporate sponsers will out you of your cushy job! You and all mainstream media twist the truth and when you get caught you backpeddle too sugarcoat the truth!Its a shame that being a 2 party system you lean to whatever party you support! theres nothing in the constitution about supporting any party so they should all be dissolved and then there would be fair elec/govnmt. My Koppel,i applaud you for calling the news what it is lies!
1dabirdman 1 year ago
As a danish person, I really cant tell the difference between Fox and msnbc, sure they appear to have different styles, I only know that a self loving personage like Olbermann in my part of the world is known as a spinn doctor/commentator, NOT a journalist...
TheHairyHeart 1 year ago
@TheHairyHeart Do you only get to see youtube clips or do you have them via satelite like we do here in U.S.?
splicedenergy 1 year ago
@splicedenergy
I used to have cable, so I have some idea, but you are right in your assumption, today I probably get some of the worse nonsense via youtube only...
TheHairyHeart 1 year ago
Olbermann needs music , it keeps people going in their little circle jerk , CNN TO FOX TO MSNBC TO CBS and around and around for the rest of their pathetic life , thanks Mox , you really do live in a compartmentalized little world
AllWeNeedIsAHero 1 year ago
"evaluate, anayze, unscramble, assess, put together a coherent picture or a challenging question using only the facts...". yet not once did this sucker of satan's cock ask one goddamn question about wtc building number 7 for instance. fu
911reset 1 year ago 4
@911reset still better than Fox.
terotolo 1 year ago
@terotolo God damn another retard tries to defend MSNBC by saying that FOX is worse. You know you may be right, but MSNBC is still guilty, and pointing the finger at the other evil does not make them anyless guilty, so can we stick to this topic, the one about Keith Obermann, who doesnt work for fox, but MSNBC
ab1978jobs 1 year ago
@ab1978jobs The topic isn't Olbermann. It's this pseudo-comparison that MSNBC is the equel-but-opposite of FOX NEWS. It is not, and that view point is a lazy generallization. No doubt MSNBC is in the progressive corner, but MSNBC's stories ARE fact based, and when they get the facts wrong, THEY APOLOGIZE AND CORRECT IT. I am yet to hear an apology from O'Rielly for his slandering of US soldiers for the Malmady Massacre in WW2. That's only 1, I cud name many more...
terotolo 1 year ago 2
Olbermann is such a hack. Olbermann you are nothing like Walter.
PolticiansLie 1 year ago
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@PolticiansLie perhaps you missed the point...
terotolo 1 year ago
isn't this the guy from Monday Night Football?
VeritasAmantesVocat 1 year ago
"...and I apologizes up front for the heavy self reference, but i hope you will agree this is important." I do agree! This is important. This is a great way to show the real intent of your broadcast. Saving your own @ss! your ratings are crap! And someone who has labored in the old tradition of searching for the truth (nothing this DB from ESPN has ever done) calls you out on your BS, your only line of defense is he is old and the old way is failing. Olbermann is NO BETTER than rest. BOOOOOB!!!
massmedia2008 1 year ago
@massmedia2008 Well said. I agree with you in that KO does seem like he only cares about ratings and saving his own ass.
ripper909420 1 year ago
Koppel is a weasel. I would prefer Olbermann or O'Reilly.
Olbermann is more honest, Koppel is a manipulative bitch.
FormerlyKnownAsNopez 1 year ago
what about the families for 911 justice?
what about the federal reserve?
what about israel? Palestine? AIPAC and the subornation of congress, white house and judiciary?
what about the fact that elana kagan cited, as her role model, an israeli supreme court justice, aaron barak, who has been criticized from across the israeli socio-political spectrum for legislating from the bench. a former israeli SC chief justice said barak is the greatest threat to israeli democracy (more like a mythocracy).
mispistoleros 1 year ago
Keith isn't neutral but who is now a days. This last election proved that. Nobody will ever be like Mr. Kronkite
jeffxl12 1 year ago 2
olbermann is such a hack. Real journalism is dead.
GTS4tw 1 year ago
Olberman proving Koppel right.... what a piece of shit.
russkeller 1 year ago
@ArtetlaMusique87 Your first mistake was assuming that I watch FOX news. I utterly detest FOX news in about the same way I detest MSNBC. I can't take anyone seriously who believes one is in some way better than the other. They are equally biased and disgusting in my opinion. I get all my news and information from independent sources online and I never stick to one source for more than a week at a time. Any argument trying to persuade me to think otherwise will fail miserably.
buckmastr123 1 year ago
Thank goodness there is still a handful of journalist who are willing to stand on the right side of History. Keith is not perfect, but in a world of horrendous journalism, and an utter lack of journalistic integrity, he is by far one of the better options
As for Fox "news", any Network that has contenders of the Presidency (for which they have 3) on their pay roll are not worthy of my time because their ability to be objective is non existent
khenry88 1 year ago 3
@khenry88 Thumbs up. But let's replace "objective" with "truthful"? Expressing subjective interpretations of facts is not the big problem. Intentionally misleading people to further your ideology is.
jstncbllr 1 year ago 2
@jstncbllr agreed
khenry88 1 year ago
Merci MoxNewx for posting this. Keith Olberman is one of the rare voice of reason that is left out there who has the courage to speak the truth.
LifeIsGoodLydie 1 year ago
@ratsnacage1 wow you are stupid.
dukeljk 1 year ago
Ted Koppel was right Keith you are are totally the liberal version of glen beck.
dukeljk 1 year ago
@dukeljk Are you serious?! There's nothing on the left approaching Glenn Beck. KO is a blowhard with a tiresome schtick. But he's almost always *factual*, even if you disagree with the related opinion. Also I've seen him issue numerous retractions when he was wrong. He didn't accuse Brown of rape afaik. But, yes, that tirade was ridiculous.
Glenn Beck's *intent* is to mislead. He just pulls shit out of ass.
jstncbllr 1 year ago
@jstncbllr I'll 2nd that! Beck's just a freak show.
terotolo 1 year ago
let say he's got like $ 4 mil/year , this 13 minutes of BS = $ 14000, again,,,! 13 minutes !!! They pay him $ 14000 for 13 minutes !!!
therapydude 1 year ago
Yata, Mr. Olbermann. Yata.
vcdaniels 1 year ago
(cont.)
Translation: Thumbs up for Olbermann!
vcdaniels 1 year ago
Olbermann's argument doesn't work. See, the examples he is sighting involve reporters reporting facts; however, Olbermann uses rhetoric to slant the facts--or stretch the truth--thereby breaking neutrality, and directing the audience in a certain direction.
For him to respond, shows his defensiveness, but the most ironic part of this "special comment" is that he defends himself using rhetoric, exactly what Koppel was alleging in his Op-ed. Olbermann is no journalist; he is a commentator.
ripper909420 1 year ago
@ripper909420 it only let's me vote this up once :/
mrgalikanookis 1 year ago
@mrgalikanookis lol thanks
ripper909420 1 year ago
@ripper909420 Very well said!
InvestigatorDave 1 year ago
@ripper909420
So you are more concerned with his rhetorics and not his message?
He is a commentator! He doesn't ave to be right all the time! But as a newsman, he have to have facts as basics for his rhetorics. As long as he don't break ethics or any laws, he can use the words any way he likes.
Are you ranting away about Glenn Beck the same way as you do about Olbermann?
bohemianwriter1 1 year ago
@bohemianwriter1 They're both partisan poison.
GtheMVP 1 year ago
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ripper909420 1 year ago
@ripper909420 lol, well put.
GtheMVP 1 year ago
@ripper909420 So basically, his intelligent special comment went over your biased head, where you already had a preconcieved idea of what reality is, which kept you from actually listening to and "thinking" about what he said.
Of course, its bad enough you dont even know what rhetoric means and attribute it to anything you disagree with because of course, only what you believe is the truth, what he reports is rhetoric.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@waltermh111 No, i do know what rhetoric is and this special comment was full of it. maybe you need to go to a critical thinking class because you do not know what you are talking about. Secondly, his "intelligent special comment" did not go over my head. You, as well as the person you idolize, both use rhetoric devices. you attacked me instead of my argument..
News should be factual, essentially reporting what has happened and not directing us on how we should feel about what has happened.
ripper909420 1 year ago 3
Keith is a gasbag, and certainly not in the same class as Cronkite or Murrow. It's unfortunate that you have to be obnoxious to get a network show. That's what happens when news is owned by the entertainment business.
However, his points about false balance vs integrity are absolutely correct. And even though he's a blowhard, he has a lot more integrity than the folks on Fox.
Bias isn't the problem, lies are. After all, "reality has a well-known liberal bias".
jstncbllr 1 year ago
@jstncbllr He has no credibility.... remember when he called Scott brown a rapist? He is a scum bag.
dukeljk 1 year ago
@jstncbllr Do you watch Fox and have you ever studied any Fox member's background? You are, IMFAO, confusing integrity with dislike which have two fundamentally different meaning. As for Olberman being a gas bag ok, does he have intergrity - according to you yes - OK. How can I take your opinion seriously when you mention that Olberman has alot more intergrity than the folks on Fox. Your post makes me believe that you truly do not know Fox members well.
MrFoshobro 1 year ago
@MrFoshobro Uh, yes. I don't see how you can be a thinking person and take Fox seriously. They have a couple of people who are OK sometimes, like Shep Smith. But the big names are all paragons of mendacity.
I mean, Hannity? Really, you think Hannity's mission is to *inform* people?
I have no idea what you mean by "integrity vs dislike". Maybe you're questioning my ability to discern bullshit objectively. The fact is I "dislike" Fox *and* KO too. But Fox deliberately misleads people.
jstncbllr 1 year ago
@jstncbllr you must be just one of the many haters. How is it that Fox continues to outperform MSNBC in audience views? Don't waste your time making up an excuse cause' it is what it is - more ppl. watch Fox. - u dislike Hannity but how is Hannity any different than Olbermann? Of course Hannity is informing - maybe u don't like the way he gets his message across just like I don't like Olbermann way. But your are letting your dislike of an org get in the way of making a rational statement.
MrFoshobro 1 year ago
@MrFoshobro
Because people are not rational, that's why Glenn Beck is still on air.
pokeyugi13 1 year ago
@MrFoshobro My statement was, in fact, completely rational. My problem w/ Hannity et. al. isn't his style, it's his *content*. Fox spews garbage. That's not personal opinion. It's observable fact. Whether you or I "like the message" is irrelevant.
That you're talking about "haters" and "ratings" makes it clear that you're one of their zombies.
jstncbllr 1 year ago
@jstncbllr God gave humans 'free will' - unfortunately this leaves open the possibility of some individuals to choose to be dueshbags - congratulations! - "spews garbage" you have the ability to put together well thought out arguments to support your claims - another gift you should be proud of. Just remember man - to control the anger you have - their is a reason why more of the public is attracted to Fox.
MrFoshobro 1 year ago
@MrFoshobro First, it's spelled "douche".
Second, there's nothing for to me "argue"; you either care about honesty and integrity, or... you continue to be a Fox zombie.
Third, I'm not angry. But, I guess anyone who calls out Fox's BS is an angry hater, right?
Fourth, the reason people are attracted to Fox: it's very well polished propaganda. Fox spoon feeds crap, and folks like you lap it up. Having high ratings doesn't make it good. High quality news TV has always struggled with viewership.
jstncbllr 1 year ago
@jstncbllr douchy bag.. listen man I think you need a fresh baked cookie. After you munch on the cookie .... you will be in a better mood. At that point maybe you should consider an open mind and discussing this topic with some1 with a view- point opposite of yours. I just want to let you know that its ok to disagree - but by being so stubborn on your views u r only limiting yourself. I welcome the idea of being a zombie as long as it allows me to continue to consider Fox an info source.
MrFoshobro 1 year ago
@MrFoshobro Here's the thing. I watch/listen to fox an hour or two a day. And catch Beck,rush,hannity and savage every other day abouts. So that I can I keep track of the collateral damage they leave in thier wake. I used to type them out and keep trac, but there was just too much for me to jot down that I gave up counting. But if "hooked on fox" is shown absolute facts increminating them for misinforming thier audience. Superior conartists, its like a football game to them.
splicedenergy 1 year ago
I didn't watch the video but let me see if I can guess what he says just from looking at the title: Ted Koppel wrote a piece in some newspaper saying that today's mainstream media is not real news and he basically makes a comparison that Olbermann/MSNBC and O'Reilly/FOX are equally pathetic "news" organizations. Olbermann then blabbers for 13 minutes about how he is not as bad as O'Reilly and MSNBC is not as bad as FOX. In the end he fails to make a point and proves the original article true?
buckmastr123 1 year ago
@buckmastr123 Nailed it.
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
@buckmastr123 Swing and a miss! He made the point that virtually all of the country's great broadcast journalists, including Kronkite, had their best and most memorable moments when they DID express an opinion on the stories they were covering. That, and he reminded us that before our entry into WWII, Republicans were still trying to make a deal with Hitler... All true.
terotolo 1 year ago
@buckmastr123 Dead on!
Who says you can't tell a book by its cover?
InvestigatorDave 1 year ago
12 more minutes of narcissistic psychobabble posing as news from Bill... I mean Keith.
tickhound 1 year ago
Did someone at MSNBC ever advocate for the overthrow of the current President? Has any MSNBC anchor called the President a racist without any proof to back up such a claim? Did Olbermann speak at or take any part of a political event or did Hannity do that?
jezmundberserker 1 year ago
he damn sure went hard on koppel..keith is gangsta..he goes in on Obama more times than Fox goes in on Bush...i just noticed that when he mentioned that...i was like " yeah...i didnt notice that..but you are right"...i have short term memory,,,but thanks for the reminder keith!!!
drugante 1 year ago
ugh, i like olbermann's politics and his show is really very entertaining, but he can't seriously be comparing himself to cronkite & murrow and he certainly can't be arguing FOR newscasters, reporters and anchors being biased, impartial and unbalanced? sorry keith, again, love ya (and rachel too) but you are indeed NO DIFFERENT from hannity and o'reilly. you just the opposite side of the same coin. just because you say you aren't, doesn't make it true. one word: PALESTINE.
WikeddTung 1 year ago
@WikeddTung wrong dude. Keith may his opinions but his show is DEEP ROOTED in the truth.
I watch Countdown because the truth comes before his opinion.
EmpathyWorks 1 year ago 2
@EmpathyWorks You are one dumb mother fucker, put a gun to your head.
dukeljk 1 year ago
@EmpathyWorks just saying it doesn't make it true. he problem with what we call news is that as long as the perception is what we want, we couldn't give a rat's ass about truth. he may not invent facts like fox news, but he (along with maddow & stewart) deliberately keep the focus on the other side. they pay lip service to going after the left as well as the right, but they cherry-pick which stories they want to cover in order to create the perception of fairness.
WikeddTung 1 year ago 3
@WikeddTung not one person in the media stood up for helen thomas (a real journalist) including olbermann, he never interviews people like chomsky or finklestein who have legitimate & harsh criticisms of the left (no one does. don't you think it's strange that two of the most preeminent american intellectuals today are NEVER featured in the MSM? i do.) and you won't find one mention of the goldstone report in any episode of countdown. that's not truth. those are called lies of OMISSION.
WikeddTung 1 year ago 9
@WikeddTung Well said. I agree with most of what Olbermann has to say about the right-wing and the fact that we have these guys out there to keep tabs on the nuttiness of republicans & conservatives is awesome. But I'm not blind, simple or insecure enough to choose to believe that liberals, progressives and democrats can't have an agenda too. All you have to do is look at Democracy Now. Amy goodman makes Keith look like a stand-up comedian.
alfcab 1 year ago
@WikeddTung Someone like Chomsky would only work as an hour long program where he just talks and you listen and enjoy. His answers are far too in-depth and multidimensional to squeeze into a brief interview on a program format like Olbermann.
Shisho2k 1 year ago
Well keith, it definitely has died with you. You're a hypocrite, an ass, and no better than the rest of em. They should have kept you off the air but it just shows how bad MSNBC is. Possibly worse than Fox if not probably. Fox at least puts people like the judge on.
Garlannd 1 year ago
the irony of olbermann talking of great unbiased journalists,,,, as all he can bluster is----it's bush's fault
keith somewhat tries to disregard these journalists as if to make what the current talking heads do less horrendous
you all suck!!!!! fox included
shortywarn 1 year ago
wow he went hard on Koppel! That's why I love Keith. Call them all out!
rhomeaforever 1 year ago