Brahms: Variations on a theme by Haydn, Op.56a - Theme in Bb major

[jewgienij131]

hehehe



[raphberry]

(and just to avoid unnecessary argument, I' know the piece is by Brahms and not Haydn, it was just a little side joke)

[raphberry]

@BECawyer I just did this piece in my tonal analysis class for homework, the professor and I both thought it was 5+4+3, with the last measure of the five-bar phrase overlapping and also serving as the first measure of the four-bar phrase (it would be wrong to discount it as part of either phrase, although I agree with you that 4+4+3 sounds much closer than 5+6). The term my book uses is "phrase overlap" and Haydn was apparently all about it.

[corksmusic1]

I think you are right; four, four, three really works well and yet...

This is a visual analysis of the BBC programme 'Discovering Music' and the presenter clearly counts 'five', and then describes a winding down in the last six bars.

I have left a link in the drop-down bar. The description is around the 9th minute into the programme.

[BECawyer]

Although the head of the first phrase does return at 0:58, it is not correct to split the remaining measures of this section into one group of 5 and one of six. Four, four and three fits much better to the musical structure.

[zebrabob88]

OBOE(: