Ha ha ha ha. You are a gullible fool defending Quran with some suras contradicting other suras therein.
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Which did Allah create first - Heaven or Earth? Oh dear, there are TWO CONTRADICTORY SURAS within the Quran answer that question. How would you answer that question yourself?
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Another good reference is Abi Ya`qub al-Nadim. He was a librarian who made a catalogue of Arabic books in the year 377 A.H./987 A.D. He records Qur'ans that have 110 suras and others with 116.
@EngagingWithIslam All you have to do is read "An introduction to the sciences of the Quran" by Yasir Qadhi and "the History of the Quranic Text" by M.M. Al-Azami to see the discussions about the textual history of the Quran, claims of content differences and why some manuscripts may have been numbered in a different way. Even Iqraproductions here on Youtube has a video discussing this in the context of Ibn Masud's codex and allegations made regarding it.
@ozzycda What you gain from these books is that there 7 modes/dialects of the Quranic content along with 7 ways of reciting it. However on the other side of the topic there is one authentic text of the Quran which has been preserved as both books prove. Issues that crop up such as Ibn Masud and others are discussed in length and explained how Orientalist have abused these topics, I would suggest you picking up these two books and having a read.
The differences were in words and content. See (Bukhari: vol. 6, bk. 60, no. 468; also narrated Alqama vol. 6, bk. 60, no. 467, Khan. Agreed Muslim: bk. 4, no. 1799-1802, Siddique
@EngagingWithIslam Never mind, I looked them up, no need to send them to me. Well it is pretty obvious from the Hadiths that companions of the Prophet knew the correct way of reciting the verses in question. They knew it well enough to know that the people who wanted it recited the other way were in error. If anything it proves that there was a consensus of knowing the correct words when reciting. The Mushaf certainly corrected any errors people might have had.
The hadith referring to two Muslims fighting over how to recite the Qur'an (Bukhari: vol. 6, bk. 61, no. 514) is not referring to dialects because both men came from the same tribe and have the same dialect. Islamic scholars in this area use this hadith to show this point.
@EngagingWithIslam You might have a point about the difference being in recitation and dialect since they were both issues that various groups had with each other. In fact the concept of dialect and modes of reciting are still concepts discussed in textbooks of understanding the Quran.
@farzanatasneem walikum salam I don't use a script I usually speak off the top of my head with only small points at times written down to guide me to the next major point that I am going to speak. Sorry if I am unclear in this video.
islam is fake and a joke, muslims are troubled, they are still tryin to prove to Christians that, the quran, allah and mohammed are true becus the bible talks about them?, We Christians CAST OUT ur false quran, ur false god allah n rapist prophet OUT of our BIBLE IN JESUS NAME, we will NEVER teach this GARBAGE IN OUR CHURCHES, YUCK!!!! keep on with ur obsession with the bible, it only proves how false islam is,ur so called prophet was a THUG and RAPIST and thats the SHAME u follow anyway
If the original 'message' doesn't stand up to translation, then it's not much of a message!
The English translation is full of contradictions and errors...If the only version that is correct is the old Arabic version, then everyone has to learn Arabic to get it....Some might say having an illiterate prophet is kind of a waste, as it needed to be written by others, making his role completely pointless.
7 different quran means different qurans. Show me one evidence that allah asked Ottomon to standardise these seven qurans. Further show me evidence whic quran was approved by allah or muhammad. You muslims are so ignorant. Keep on beleiving at any cost this false book full of errors, liesand distortion you ignorant people
haha ignorant, riiiigghhhhttt. The Quran speaks of ITSELF on numerous occasions, as well as the Hadiths. So that covers Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). As far as UTHMAN(not Ottoman), he was carrying out the advise that was suggested to Umar, that there should be a standard Quran for those who were converting into Islam during the expansion period. There is a theological concept that is shown in the Hadiths, that prove that Uthman was guided by Allah to do what he did. cont.
cont. The theological concept is called ilhamm which denotes the type of inspiration given to pious people. This is different then wahy which is the inspiration given to Prophets. Therefore one can say that Uthman's actions were inspired by Allah so therefore they were approved. For more information on this please see the book "An introduction to the sciences of the Qurah" by Yasir Qadhi.
Allah is not the same GOD we worship. You muslims are amazingly walking in the DARK. Allah was a Pagan Diety branded by your prophet to his benefit. Don't you see ignorant, that allah according to you guided Omar/Ottoman to compile. ahhahahaha!! congrat for being so ignorant. Keep on relying upon the false stories in the quran & hadiths whole of your remaining life. Good for you and your generations?
No, you didn't answer the questions, here's once again:
Why should the early muslims go to Mohammed to complain about the different Modes [versions], if they didn't differ in content? If there is no difference in content, then there is no reason to complain! Where are all those different [modes] versions of the quran now?
The companions complained not because of the difference of CONTENT but because some heard others reciting in a different MODE that they personally were not aware of and thought it was wrong. When brought to the attention fof the Prophet he said that all 7 Modes were correct. The Hadiths are very clear on this point, perhaps you should read them.
Why should the early muslims go to Mohammed to complain about the different versions, if they didn't differ in content? If there is no difference in content, then there is no reason to complain! Where are all those different versions of the quran now?
Uhhh from my understanding of the hadiths the companions dude not complain about different VERSIONS of the Quran but if a other companion recited a certain verse with a different pronounciation, and they would ask the Prophet if that was correct. He agreed that each mode was correct since the Quran was revealed in those different modes, thus making them ALL CORRECT. They different MODED, not versions are still around today. It is not that there are versions there are different cont.
cont. MODES of speaking the Quran. That is what is the deal here it is not different content or VERSION but different ways of speaking the written word of the Quran.
"We have a means as humans to translate and learn each others languages and it is our duty to talk with others about our religion. That is how God's message gets across."
Well, if god expected us to translate, then there is no point in providing several different dialects of the quran to mankind. In fact, dialects differ so little from one another that people speaking different dialects usually understand each other. That doesn't make sense...
Sir, the dialects were not FOR ALL MANKIND. They were to the Arab tribes specifically, so that they could get the message, even the Hadiths are clear about this. Hence why one standard dialect was selected to be the standard for the Quran and that is the standard Muslims use today when translating. It is our duty to convey the message to all mankind and as such we are doing what God commands in the Quran.
If the quran is for all mankind then why is it only revealed by god to some arabs? why does he even choose to reveal it in different dialects of the same language, which later on had to be rectified by selecting the standard for his followers? Why couldnt Allah provide this standard to begin with?
The Standard was already there it was the main dialect of the Arabs, that was the standard to begin with. He revealed it to someone who was an Arab but the religion and message is for all of mankind. I am not God so therefore I cannot know his mind nor know he choose Arabic, hebrew, Aramaic and Greek to be his people's language. I guess we can ask him that on the Day of Judgment.
If Allah was cognizant of all those different versions of Arab and chose to spread his word in different dialects, then why didn't he spread his words in all the different languages of the earth? How can all these different translations be correct, when any translation of the quran is supposedly impossible to the effect that the quran must be recitated in the original arabic version?
Of course this is a common Atheist argument against God in that why didn't God make his message clear to ALL people in ALL languages. The fact is that you are right that no translation of ANY text and or scripture will be as perfect as the original. Same goes for the Vedas the Bible as well as the Quran. We have a means as humans to translate and learn each others languages and it is our duty to talk with others about our religion. That is how God's message gets across.
Why should the early muslims go to Mohammed to complain about the different versions, if they didn't differ in content? If there is no difference in content, then there is no reason to complain! Where are all those different versions of the quran now?
Those are not different VERSIONS but different ways of pronouncing the same verse or word. That is the richness of the Arabic language that there are different dialects and ways of pronouncing. It is still the same message same Quran just in a different dialect. Let us not forget the Arabic of the Quran is the foundation of the Arabic language.
16[101] When We substitute one revelation for another, - and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), - they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
Bukhari: volume 4, book 52, number 57 ,Saliha Muslima 8, Number 3421
it was necessary to change the Koran a few times because Muhamad said nonsenses.
This is not referring to "versions" of the Quran. If you actually paid attention to my video you would know based on my evidence that there are 7 MODES, or WAYS of reciting the Quran and that is what these Hadiths are referring to. But since you brought up the straw man argument about Abrogation, which is what 16:101 is referring to, that does not mean there are different versions of the Quran. Allah saying that revelations get substituted because of the nature of progressive a scripture.
It is your opinion that the reason verses were removed was because they were "inconvenient" which is of course just YOUR opinion which has no backing from authoratative scholarship.
Please by ALL means site your sources and we can discusses it. It is painfully obvious you have no intent on having a meaningful discussion but would rather waste people's time with random "facts" without any backing at all. If that is the case we can end our talk here.
Wrong my friend. Translations are not versions. Translations may differ depending on the way words are translated from one language to another. Versions are different texts yet they all claim to be the same book i.e. The Bible. For example the KJV has 66 books and some verses that are not in other versions. Yet the Catholic VERSION has more books and not some of those verses that are only in the KJV. See my point now?
mattmadla - what do ou call it when one "version" of the bible, namely the KJV says "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" Basically asserting the concept of the trinity, when in a newer "versions" the verse reads "There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree." ... and wow look at that these two are called "King James VERSION" and the other "Revised standard VERSION"
Exposed??? Exactly when was it ever proven that the Quran was man-made? Bring me one such "proof" and maybe I'll agree with you. What's happening is people making up lies about this topic, and Muslims rightfully defend what they know is true. What? do you want us to listen to people telling lies and just taking sitting down?
There are OVER dozens of versions of the Holy Bible and that is a fact, not sure how that is a incorrect statement that would cause you to insult me. And did you just insult me? I think you did, block time for you, so sorry....
gospel is word of Allah, Allah will never confirmed in the Qur'an that it was corrupted before 700 BC We know that all the pillars have been preserved in bible
I have no idea why your laughing unless of course you didn't understand what I was saying. I was saying that the Quran does NOT confirm the 4 cannoical gospels called Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Quran confirms ONE Gospel which was revealed to Jesus.
Don´t try and be a smart ass refuting the irrefutable. You just make a fool of yourself. Just happened to see your video and notice your efforts to delve into to subjects that you´re only managing to skate over the surface and confusing yourself even more. Find a practicing Muslim and talk to him. Have you rerad the Quran? did you understand it´s fundamental message?
You should spend more time thinking about who you really worship. If you believe in God, then Notice Islam invites to worship Him Alone. When you pray, who do you pray to? Jesus? Islam invites you to believe in Jesus as Mesiah but to pray to and worship god alone to whom we shall all return.
there are more "arabic" dialects then 7. so why only seven dialects if there where more dialects around that time. so why rewrite the quran only in one arabic dialect.
dude you are pathetic mixing up the hadith with the Quran. Shia, Sunni and other sects agree with Quran no matter what, but we only differ with Hadith.
If you didn't know what Hadith is its just scholar writings of Islam just like history.
And 7 different versions is actually seven different dialects just like in English (center and centre(british)).
Just for safety measure only one dialect is used today.
To theTruth778: I am from this planet and yes, according to Hadith the prophet was a hadith rejector; He was reported to say "Don't write anything from me other than the Quran, and if you do erase it". So according to this narration all the books of Hadith are apocryphal and should not have any weight in islamic jurisprudence or otherwise.
So you don't believe in the Hadith, because there is a Hadith in which the prophet PBUH rejected the HAdith. SO the Writer of that Hadith ( Imam Muslim ) was disobeying the Hadith of the prophet and wrote down the Hadith. Duh!! May God guard our brains!
That Hadith is about the prophet addressing the scribes of the Quran not to mix the revelation of the Quran with his words. We know that many companions did have Hadiths written in manuscripts.
"We know that many companions did have Hadiths written in manuscripts." Where are these manuscripts?
All you have are the reports of people that I am accusing of being liars.
At least "Imam" Muslim was more honest than you when he wrote in his introduction that he gathered that Hadith from 300,00 ORAL hadith at his time. ORAL NOT WRITTEN.
How rude of you that after going through the trouble of getting the source you requested, you put words into my mouth to accuse my intellect. I don't believe the Hadith above nor any other hadith, it is you, who probably never read Muslim from cover to cover, that consider these books the holy cows of Islam.
I highly recommend that you go and read some hadith yourself and see if it is against quran and Islam, why are you defending it without reading the whole bukhari book.
it is all superstition against Islam and was prohibited.
Some hadith might be sahih but you shouldn't take it blindly, as far as I am concerened Hadith is anti Quran in general.
Don't be afraid to reject hadith you will be doing the prophet pbuh good.
What makes you better than the jews then? Hadith=Talmud
You do realize that The "Quran only" Muslims have reached the conclusion the there is no such thing as the seven readings of the Quran. They actually claim that Bukhari and the people of Hadith in general had ulterior motives for putting those Hadiths, and historically Hadith is considered apocryphal and not accepted as part of main stream Islam for at least the first Century AH. Some historians do not put any historical value in the Hadith for obvious reasons.
the guy who made that series didnt claim to be a christian. he said he was a muslim in the sense he believed in the one and only god but not believing muhummad was the final prophet
the quoran has 7 different ways of recitations,it's not different versions,it's like dialacts but mainly with names in the quoran for example like you can read the name "MOSES" as "MOSA" or "MOSE" they are written the same but you can say them differently
First which Hadiths are considered hearsay which collections or specific Hadiths? Where are these Hadiths which contradict teaching of the Quran and what is there context and how is it related to the abrogation theorem? All Hadiths were collected 250 is just blatant falsehood since Abu Harraira and other companions had written collections!
Bukhari did have hundreds of thousands of Hadiths which he considered authenic but did'nt bother writing them down for reasons specified and unspecified.
well,i think this guy means the unauthentic or favricated hadithes,and that the fabricated ones doesn't even have support from the quoran and that's how we know they are fabricated,the bukhari collected alot of hadithes and titles them as "correct" or "fabricated" or "good",depending on it's narrators and the logic,there is something that is called sciense of hadith and sciense of men or people,and it's only to collect the accurate hadithes..
Brother how are you sure that Hadith is 100% Authentic? I didn't claim that it is 100% fabrication but by claiming that it is all authentic you mean that Bukhari was 100% perfect. This is a big leap of faith in Al-Bukhari.
Now for Contradictions I don't know from where to start, I don't want to spam this channel but I will give you two examples one in which Hadith is contradicting another one and one in which it contradicts Quran.
"The Messenger forbade a woman to bathe with the water left over by a man, and that a man should not bathe with water left over by a woman, instead they should both take scoopfuls of the water together" - Daud and An-Nasai and its chain of narrators is Sahih.
"The Propeht used to bathe with the water left over by Maimuna" - Muslim
Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said, "I was praying. Satan came in front of me and tried to force me to break my prayers. Allah gave me control over him and I threw him down. I thought of tying him with a pillar so that you could see him in the morning (Bukhari 1:469, chapter 766).
Quran 7:27 "O Children of Adam, do not let the devil divert you as he evicted your parents from the paradise; he removed from them their protective layer to show them their wickedness. He and his tribe see you from where you do not see them."
Unfortunately this just shows me your ignorance of the collection of Hadiths and their interpretations. This is not an insult by a valid observation of your comments. I will respond to all your points in video to educate you regarding the matter.
Thank you brother for your generous offer, I find it is very strange that you are claiming that 100% of Hadith alleged to be said by prophet.
We all have very high admiration of the prophet PBUH, but those hadiths and I have tens of such hadiths are only meant as a back-door to attack our beloved prophet.
I would recommend while doing your video educating me to think a little bit of the purpose of such hadiths other than insulting the prophet.
I am going to ask you straight out! Are you an all-out Hadith Rejector? If not which Hadiths collection don't you accept or doubt? or which class of Hadiths do you find acceptable/unacceptable? The attack from back door is an invalid argument since the Kuffar attack the blatant truth about the prophet anyway. The why would anyway bother to forge such problematic Hadith even if they exist or interpret them to be problematic?Here your either saying the companions areliars or Collectors
But I am a rejector that the collector of hadith are 100% accurate and should be compared to the Quran.
What if a new muslim scholar comes up with new very innovative method to authenticate hadith and he proves himself to be sincere, would you be accept him?
What Muslim/Albukhari did was using the tools that they had their times is to try to filter no-authentic hadith, maybe they achieved 95% accuracy, but how do you claim that they got it 100%?
well i had this discussion with a friend about this issue, and the thing i understood was that the sahih collection (muslim, bukhari) are sahih as far as bukhari goes, they are sahih in terms of we are sure that bukhari mentioned this hadith and that there is no hadith that had been fabricated into his collection and named as a bukhari hadith,
basicly there is no weak hadith in a sense, but there is a weak "chain of narration"
Could be another way to approach it. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to notice the fabrications, just read and understand the quran and you will have all the tools to detect falsehoods and fabrications.
Like the return of jesus which is very clear unwarranted fabrication.
You will only find traces for him returning in some weak hadith.
19:33 "Hence, peace was upon me on the day when I was born, and [will be upon me] on the day of my death, and on the day when I shall be raised to life [again]!"
:157 and their boast, "Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, [who claimed to be] an apostle of God!" However, they did not slay him, and neither did they crucify him, but it only seemed to them [as if it had been] so; [171] and, verily, those who hold conflicting views thereon are indeed confused, having no [real] knowledge thereof, and following mere conjecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay him: "
3:185 Every human being is bound to taste death: but only on the Day of Resurrection will you be requited in full [for whatever you have done] - whereupon he that shall be drawn away from the fire and brought into paradise will indeed have gained a triumph: for the life of this world is nothing but an enjoyment of self-delusion.
Wasn't he a human/soul? so your claim contradict Quran.
What if they thought they killed him but he was alive and escaped?
Jesus died a normal death but surely not by Crucifixion as per Quran.
it is very clear that he managed to avoid being crucified and being killed by them but that doesn;t mean he is still alive, this contradicts Quran and defies Logic.
No, you don't reject it. because you are Muslim and believe in the Quran, I struggled with lots of such miracles in Quran, I want to understand the wisdom of all, I am on the path Inshallah.
One of the things that shocked me is the miracle of Jonah and how he was inside the whale belly? well from Quran it says that he was never inside the Whale belly! He was bitten by the whale and then Allah saved him, but he was never inside the whale belly.
i did support my argument with the quran but you totaly shunned the interpretations of the muslim scholars and interpreted the verse by yourself with your limited knowledge,
Brother don't you think this return of jesus or what christian call rapture is very important for us that Allah "SWT" would have revealed it in his book?
Why is it only mentioned in Hadith? and in Christian fabrications?
Also note that in the whole Quran it is emphasized that jesus is a human and a prophet, he had miracles, but death is upon us all.
Only Allah "SWT" knows the future, Mohammad "PBUH" and all other prophets don't know ANYTHING about the future, how can he predict it in hadith?
its mentioned in the quran but you choose to apply your own personal interpretation, not my problem,
and yes jesus is a human i never said he wasent human, and yes he will taste death. i dont see whats the problem.
Mohammad pbuh doesent know the future nor anyone in this world knows the "ghaib" , but wasent God using archangel JIbreel to contact Muhammad PBUH? cant God tell muhammad pbuh about the future ?
Mohammad "PBUH" only knows what was revealed to him in the Quran for predicting the future..
In Quran you find many prophecies, I can name few like:
1. One the moon and sun will be united.
2. Muslims will abandon the Quran: which is happening right now, Muslims read Bukhari more than they read quran and they think it is 100% correct and they follow it more than they follow Quran!
This is my point from the beginning, what make me angry is that there are some hadiths which undermine Quran and Prophet Mohammad, such Hadiths are called Israelites because they were fabricated by people who wanted to undermine prophet Mohammad "PBUH" and show that his teachings are false because he was exposing their falsehoods.
So the Jews/Christians wanted to make his message look like superstition which is not.
You are a Hadith Rejector stop pretending to be otherwise. The nature of your comments expose you. At least admit what you are instead of hiding your believes under the cover of speculation.
I knew it! I hit the jackpot with this comment you just confirmed you're a hadith rejector. I don't know what your on about but i use The Quran and the Sunnah as defined by the Hadith collections.
No! Your are fool who was caught rejecting Hadith on the Basis of "they insult the Prophet" and "appear made up using logic". Typical ignorance and sarcasm from Hadith rejectors. Your criteria and analysis for Hadiths collections is so foolish yet you critic great imams such as Bukhari who spent all the life's going through these narrations and have gained the trust of all the greatest scholars of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaah. Your failed attempts at putting doubt into the Muslims won't fly
Sunni muslims have fallen into the same pitfall of the Christian and Jews. God says in the Quran that they made their monks and Rabbis lords instead of God. And here you are with your "great Imams" your lords whose words abrogate the words of the Quran according to your understanding. Being in the minority does not make me wrong, and being in the majority (Jamaah) does not make you right. Remember, the prophet and his followers were a minority once.
Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said, "I was praying. Satan came in front of me and tried to force me to break my prayers. Allah gave me control over him and I threw him down. I thought of tying him with a pillar so that you could see him in the morning (Bukhari 1:469, chapter 766).
Doesn't this contradict Quran?
you can call me ignorant and you can consider my posts as speculation, so tell me how doesn't this contradict Quran?
Anyone who rejects the Authentic Hadith of prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is Foolish because without the Hadith these people can't do a simple thing as prayer the correct way. Any one not aware and who critiques with blatant ignorance the hard work done by the likes of Imam Muslim and Bukhari et al in the their authentic traditions is foolish. As far as the scholars of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaah are aware there are no fabrications are contained in these collection its your job to prove otherwise.
Wrong. You obviously have not read the books you are defending. YOU CANT LEARN PRAYER FROM Hadith it will only confuse you. Prayer was learned by Tawator until people started to document the prayer in the different mathaheb as they emerged.
As usual the foolishness of Hadith Rejectors knows no bounds! How did you learn to pray? Unless you come from a long line of Hadith Rejectors dating to the prophet it is most likely your ancestors were not as foolish as you and they followed the methodology in Hadith. How ironic that the Hadiths were preserved in the same way as the Quran aswell. I don't know which deviant sect your from but its clear from your foolishness that you can't trust what they say
How did you learn to pray? Unless you come from a long line of Hadith Rejectors dating to the prophet it is most likely your ancestors were not as foolish as you and they followed the methodology in Hadith or followed some who followed the Hadith. How did you learn to pray? Unless you come from a long line of Hadith Rejectors dating to the prophet it is most likely your ancestors were not as foolish as you and they followed the methodology in Hadith.
The prophet Muhammad was a Hadith rejector according to Hadith itself. Omar was a Hadith rejector according to Hadith itself. Abu Haneefah was a hadeeth rejector as well. The respect of Hadeeth as a source of jurisprudence was not the norm in the early islamic empire. I pray "salat" as has been handed down and documented at the time of Abo Haneefah
Your foolishness does not even realise that Tawator is EXACTLY THE same as Hadith narrations from generation to generation PASS DOWN except at some point some one wrote it down in a collection to avoid deviants coming along and also the Chinese whisper effect is nullified
What is the difference between Tawator and Hadith? In each case the knowledge is passed down from generation to generations. Its just the Hadith were written down and Tawator is not written down. Unless your saying that people who gave the narrations to Imam Bukhari were narrating the wrong prayer form to him therefore Tawator is unreliable. Or that your saying the people who tought Imam Bukhari how to pray were following the wrong Tawator then i ask you who is following the right Tawator?
Having said that I would highly recommend that you take some times before start doing the video, let things sink in and try to approach the subject from an open mind.
Think about it, without such fabricated hadiths, we wouldn't have any differences between Muslims.
Do you know there is a hadith as well claiming that Ibrahim was going to sacrifice Isaac instead of Ishamel which is a CLEAR contradiction and only supporting Israelites.
People already knew how to pray at that time and you have to remember that Bukhari was a liar who mixed honey and poison. You can never learn how to pray from Bukhari but if you believe his lies he will make you doubt the basics of your deen including salat.
You are obviously an uneducated person in Hadeeth. If you were you would know that there are less than 0-25 (depends on the definition) Hadeeth motawatar in the world and the rest and Ahad.
Its ironic that your argument comes from a Hadith Rejctor webite (e-bacaan . com / /artikeli_debunking) with the most ignorant of arguments against the authentic traditions. How can they post such gibberish as " Hadith plagiarized from the Bible" with a straight face only Allah knows.
SHOW ME ONE BOOK OF HADITH (PAGE NUMBERS, BOOK NAMES, VOLUMES) OR ONE SCHOLARLY WEBSITE (USC ETC) THAT CONTAINS THIS HADITH BECAUSE I THINK YOU HADITH REJECTORS MADE IT UP BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND IT SOO LINK ME!
Ha ha ha ha. You are a gullible fool defending Quran with some suras contradicting other suras therein.
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Which did Allah create first - Heaven or Earth? Oh dear, there are TWO CONTRADICTORY SURAS within the Quran answer that question. How would you answer that question yourself?
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2urita 4 months ago
Another good reference is Abi Ya`qub al-Nadim. He was a librarian who made a catalogue of Arabic books in the year 377 A.H./987 A.D. He records Qur'ans that have 110 suras and others with 116.
EngagingWithIslam 11 months ago
@EngagingWithIslam All you have to do is read "An introduction to the sciences of the Quran" by Yasir Qadhi and "the History of the Quranic Text" by M.M. Al-Azami to see the discussions about the textual history of the Quran, claims of content differences and why some manuscripts may have been numbered in a different way. Even Iqraproductions here on Youtube has a video discussing this in the context of Ibn Masud's codex and allegations made regarding it.
ozzycda 11 months ago
@ozzycda What you gain from these books is that there 7 modes/dialects of the Quranic content along with 7 ways of reciting it. However on the other side of the topic there is one authentic text of the Quran which has been preserved as both books prove. Issues that crop up such as Ibn Masud and others are discussed in length and explained how Orientalist have abused these topics, I would suggest you picking up these two books and having a read.
ozzycda 11 months ago
The differences were in words and content. See (Bukhari: vol. 6, bk. 60, no. 468; also narrated Alqama vol. 6, bk. 60, no. 467, Khan. Agreed Muslim: bk. 4, no. 1799-1802, Siddique
Sorry they are too big to quote.
EngagingWithIslam 11 months ago
@EngagingWithIslam then send me a message with the quotes in full and I will check them against my copies of Sahih Bukhari and Muslim.
ozzycda 11 months ago
@EngagingWithIslam Never mind, I looked them up, no need to send them to me. Well it is pretty obvious from the Hadiths that companions of the Prophet knew the correct way of reciting the verses in question. They knew it well enough to know that the people who wanted it recited the other way were in error. If anything it proves that there was a consensus of knowing the correct words when reciting. The Mushaf certainly corrected any errors people might have had.
ozzycda 11 months ago
The hadith referring to two Muslims fighting over how to recite the Qur'an (Bukhari: vol. 6, bk. 61, no. 514) is not referring to dialects because both men came from the same tribe and have the same dialect. Islamic scholars in this area use this hadith to show this point.
EngagingWithIslam 11 months ago
@EngagingWithIslam You might have a point about the difference being in recitation and dialect since they were both issues that various groups had with each other. In fact the concept of dialect and modes of reciting are still concepts discussed in textbooks of understanding the Quran.
ozzycda 11 months ago
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EngagingWithIslam 11 months ago
great video this. very informative
ishamael0 1 year ago
Assalamoalaikum
Please use "MORE INFORMATION " section for giving the script of your speech.That makes the things easy.
farzanatasneem 1 year ago
@farzanatasneem walikum salam I don't use a script I usually speak off the top of my head with only small points at times written down to guide me to the next major point that I am going to speak. Sorry if I am unclear in this video.
ozzycda 1 year ago
@ozzycda
You are CLEAR in the video.
I want to make videos with people's script by taking from them material for copy-pasting.
The dialects is a topic I want to make video Insha-Allah when Allah gives me time.
So it would have been easy for me if there was some kind of script
Wassalam
farzanatasneem 1 year ago
why are all muslims on youtube fat, ugly, bearded and angry at everything all the time??
please answer me, fat-ass
zw468okmnvfyikjgth23 1 year ago
islam is fake and a joke, muslims are troubled, they are still tryin to prove to Christians that, the quran, allah and mohammed are true becus the bible talks about them?, We Christians CAST OUT ur false quran, ur false god allah n rapist prophet OUT of our BIBLE IN JESUS NAME, we will NEVER teach this GARBAGE IN OUR CHURCHES, YUCK!!!! keep on with ur obsession with the bible, it only proves how false islam is,ur so called prophet was a THUG and RAPIST and thats the SHAME u follow anyway
1Waddup 1 year ago
If the original 'message' doesn't stand up to translation, then it's not much of a message!
The English translation is full of contradictions and errors...If the only version that is correct is the old Arabic version, then everyone has to learn Arabic to get it....Some might say having an illiterate prophet is kind of a waste, as it needed to be written by others, making his role completely pointless.
rogan71 2 years ago
7 different quran means different qurans. Show me one evidence that allah asked Ottomon to standardise these seven qurans. Further show me evidence whic quran was approved by allah or muhammad. You muslims are so ignorant. Keep on beleiving at any cost this false book full of errors, liesand distortion you ignorant people
iricfahim 2 years ago
haha ignorant, riiiigghhhhttt. The Quran speaks of ITSELF on numerous occasions, as well as the Hadiths. So that covers Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh). As far as UTHMAN(not Ottoman), he was carrying out the advise that was suggested to Umar, that there should be a standard Quran for those who were converting into Islam during the expansion period. There is a theological concept that is shown in the Hadiths, that prove that Uthman was guided by Allah to do what he did. cont.
ozzycda 2 years ago
cont. The theological concept is called ilhamm which denotes the type of inspiration given to pious people. This is different then wahy which is the inspiration given to Prophets. Therefore one can say that Uthman's actions were inspired by Allah so therefore they were approved. For more information on this please see the book "An introduction to the sciences of the Qurah" by Yasir Qadhi.
ozzycda 2 years ago
Allah is not the same GOD we worship. You muslims are amazingly walking in the DARK. Allah was a Pagan Diety branded by your prophet to his benefit. Don't you see ignorant, that allah according to you guided Omar/Ottoman to compile. ahhahahaha!! congrat for being so ignorant. Keep on relying upon the false stories in the quran & hadiths whole of your remaining life. Good for you and your generations?
iricfahim 2 years ago
Peace.
ozzycda 2 years ago
Al-Furqan
"The (faithful) slaves of the Beneficent are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer: Peace; (63)"
ozzycda 2 years ago
you are amazing
willfahmy1 2 years ago
Good job brother, Allah bless you
AnInvitationToTheTru 2 years ago
Replace "Version" with "Mode" and then please answer the questions.
bhigr 2 years ago
I did answer your question did you not read it?
ozzycda 2 years ago
No, you didn't answer the questions, here's once again:
Why should the early muslims go to Mohammed to complain about the different Modes [versions], if they didn't differ in content? If there is no difference in content, then there is no reason to complain! Where are all those different [modes] versions of the quran now?
bhigr 2 years ago
The companions complained not because of the difference of CONTENT but because some heard others reciting in a different MODE that they personally were not aware of and thought it was wrong. When brought to the attention fof the Prophet he said that all 7 Modes were correct. The Hadiths are very clear on this point, perhaps you should read them.
ozzycda 2 years ago
may Allah reward brother
gostavious 2 years ago
@ozzycda do you believe that there is no diety but Allah and Muhammad is his final messanger?
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
@MatrixOfDynamism indeed and you?
ozzycda 1 year ago
@ozzycda assalamu alaiqum wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuhu
MatrixOfDynamism 1 year ago
Finally, please address the following questions:
Why should the early muslims go to Mohammed to complain about the different versions, if they didn't differ in content? If there is no difference in content, then there is no reason to complain! Where are all those different versions of the quran now?
bhigr 2 years ago
Uhhh from my understanding of the hadiths the companions dude not complain about different VERSIONS of the Quran but if a other companion recited a certain verse with a different pronounciation, and they would ask the Prophet if that was correct. He agreed that each mode was correct since the Quran was revealed in those different modes, thus making them ALL CORRECT. They different MODED, not versions are still around today. It is not that there are versions there are different cont.
ozzycda 2 years ago
cont. MODES of speaking the Quran. That is what is the deal here it is not different content or VERSION but different ways of speaking the written word of the Quran.
ozzycda 2 years ago
*did
ozzycda 2 years ago
"We have a means as humans to translate and learn each others languages and it is our duty to talk with others about our religion. That is how God's message gets across."
Well, if god expected us to translate, then there is no point in providing several different dialects of the quran to mankind. In fact, dialects differ so little from one another that people speaking different dialects usually understand each other. That doesn't make sense...
bhigr 2 years ago
Sir, the dialects were not FOR ALL MANKIND. They were to the Arab tribes specifically, so that they could get the message, even the Hadiths are clear about this. Hence why one standard dialect was selected to be the standard for the Quran and that is the standard Muslims use today when translating. It is our duty to convey the message to all mankind and as such we are doing what God commands in the Quran.
ozzycda 2 years ago
If the quran is for all mankind then why is it only revealed by god to some arabs? why does he even choose to reveal it in different dialects of the same language, which later on had to be rectified by selecting the standard for his followers? Why couldnt Allah provide this standard to begin with?
bhigr 2 years ago
The Standard was already there it was the main dialect of the Arabs, that was the standard to begin with. He revealed it to someone who was an Arab but the religion and message is for all of mankind. I am not God so therefore I cannot know his mind nor know he choose Arabic, hebrew, Aramaic and Greek to be his people's language. I guess we can ask him that on the Day of Judgment.
ozzycda 2 years ago
If Allah was cognizant of all those different versions of Arab and chose to spread his word in different dialects, then why didn't he spread his words in all the different languages of the earth? How can all these different translations be correct, when any translation of the quran is supposedly impossible to the effect that the quran must be recitated in the original arabic version?
bhigr 2 years ago
Of course this is a common Atheist argument against God in that why didn't God make his message clear to ALL people in ALL languages. The fact is that you are right that no translation of ANY text and or scripture will be as perfect as the original. Same goes for the Vedas the Bible as well as the Quran. We have a means as humans to translate and learn each others languages and it is our duty to talk with others about our religion. That is how God's message gets across.
ozzycda 2 years ago
Why should the early muslims go to Mohammed to complain about the different versions, if they didn't differ in content? If there is no difference in content, then there is no reason to complain! Where are all those different versions of the quran now?
bhigr 2 years ago
Those are not different VERSIONS but different ways of pronouncing the same verse or word. That is the richness of the Arabic language that there are different dialects and ways of pronouncing. It is still the same message same Quran just in a different dialect. Let us not forget the Arabic of the Quran is the foundation of the Arabic language.
ozzycda 2 years ago
If the recitations differ than you've got different versions of the same verse. Consequently, you've got several versions of the quran. QED
bhigr 2 years ago
there were several versions of the Koran :
16[101] When We substitute one revelation for another, - and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), - they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
Bukhari: volume 4, book 52, number 57 ,Saliha Muslima 8, Number 3421
it was necessary to change the Koran a few times because Muhamad said nonsenses.
katkol1 2 years ago
This is not referring to "versions" of the Quran. If you actually paid attention to my video you would know based on my evidence that there are 7 MODES, or WAYS of reciting the Quran and that is what these Hadiths are referring to. But since you brought up the straw man argument about Abrogation, which is what 16:101 is referring to, that does not mean there are different versions of the Quran. Allah saying that revelations get substituted because of the nature of progressive a scripture.
ozzycda 2 years ago
يَمْحُو اللّهُ مَا يَشَاء وَيُثْبِتُ وَعِندَهُ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ 13:39
16:101 وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَا آيَةً مَّكَانَ آيَةٍ وَاللّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُفْتَرٍ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لاَيَعْلَمُون
katkol1 2 years ago
"Abrogation"
"And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication"
this is a fact ,inconvenient ayahs were change or removed from quranu ,this is not a straw man
katkol1 2 years ago
It is your opinion that the reason verses were removed was because they were "inconvenient" which is of course just YOUR opinion which has no backing from authoratative scholarship.
ozzycda 2 years ago
yes, Some "authoratative scholarship" say that Muhammad was satanic puppet
katkol1 2 years ago
Please by ALL means site your sources and we can discusses it. It is painfully obvious you have no intent on having a meaningful discussion but would rather waste people's time with random "facts" without any backing at all. If that is the case we can end our talk here.
ozzycda 2 years ago
why misrepresent what was said?
Translation are versions how is it you do not know that?
rev2214 2 years ago
Wrong my friend. Translations are not versions. Translations may differ depending on the way words are translated from one language to another. Versions are different texts yet they all claim to be the same book i.e. The Bible. For example the KJV has 66 books and some verses that are not in other versions. Yet the Catholic VERSION has more books and not some of those verses that are only in the KJV. See my point now?
ozzycda 2 years ago
mattmadla - what do ou call it when one "version" of the bible, namely the KJV says "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" Basically asserting the concept of the trinity, when in a newer "versions" the verse reads "There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree." ... and wow look at that these two are called "King James VERSION" and the other "Revised standard VERSION"
psychlopes1976 3 years ago
man it is so funny see you muslim bitch and bitch because your religion constantly is being exposed as being man-made
tough luck, muslims. get on with your lives and start helping the world instead of prating to allah or only trying to help other muslims.
IslamiDK 3 years ago
Exposed??? Exactly when was it ever proven that the Quran was man-made? Bring me one such "proof" and maybe I'll agree with you. What's happening is people making up lies about this topic, and Muslims rightfully defend what they know is true. What? do you want us to listen to people telling lies and just taking sitting down?
psychlopes1976 3 years ago
There are OVER dozens of versions of the Holy Bible and that is a fact, not sure how that is a incorrect statement that would cause you to insult me. And did you just insult me? I think you did, block time for you, so sorry....
ozzycda 3 years ago
q 3:3
gospel is word of Allah, Allah will never confirmed in the Qur'an that it was corrupted before 700 BC We know that all the pillars have been preserved in bible
Your position is weak in this topic
katkol1 2 years ago
First off what are you talking about before 700BC? Second the Quran confirms THE GOSPEL, not GOSPELS, just one, Gospel, not Matt. Mark,Like,John.
ozzycda 2 years ago
there is no Gospel of Jesus
hahahhaha
"not Matt. Mark,Like,John"
q 5:111,3:52,61:14 ....
katkol1 2 years ago
I have no idea why your laughing unless of course you didn't understand what I was saying. I was saying that the Quran does NOT confirm the 4 cannoical gospels called Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Quran confirms ONE Gospel which was revealed to Jesus.
ozzycda 2 years ago
gospel of jesus not exist
hahaha
Jesus never wrote gospel, was not the author of the Gospel.
katkol1 2 years ago
he was similar to Muhammad
katkol1 2 years ago
I never said that Jesus wrote something, I said that the Quran confirms THE GOSPEL which was revealed to Jesus.
ozzycda 2 years ago
Don´t try and be a smart ass refuting the irrefutable. You just make a fool of yourself. Just happened to see your video and notice your efforts to delve into to subjects that you´re only managing to skate over the surface and confusing yourself even more. Find a practicing Muslim and talk to him. Have you rerad the Quran? did you understand it´s fundamental message?
tvislam 3 years ago
You should spend more time thinking about who you really worship. If you believe in God, then Notice Islam invites to worship Him Alone. When you pray, who do you pray to? Jesus? Islam invites you to believe in Jesus as Mesiah but to pray to and worship god alone to whom we shall all return.
tvislam 3 years ago 2
there are more "arabic" dialects then 7. so why only seven dialects if there where more dialects around that time. so why rewrite the quran only in one arabic dialect.
tsip29 3 years ago
well sunni and shai fight even today over the text about which one has it tight
tsip29 3 years ago
It is the Hadiths and traditions they differ on they use the same Quran.
ozzycda 3 years ago
why is it that islamic scholars muslim them self do translated the quran differently into other languages through out the ages.
tsip29 3 years ago
dude you are pathetic mixing up the hadith with the Quran. Shia, Sunni and other sects agree with Quran no matter what, but we only differ with Hadith.
If you didn't know what Hadith is its just scholar writings of Islam just like history.
And 7 different versions is actually seven different dialects just like in English (center and centre(british)).
Just for safety measure only one dialect is used today.
promonument 3 years ago
King James only!
bennybytes 3 years ago
Very well answered....
thereape420 3 years ago
To theTruth778: I am from this planet and yes, according to Hadith the prophet was a hadith rejector; He was reported to say "Don't write anything from me other than the Quran, and if you do erase it". So according to this narration all the books of Hadith are apocryphal and should not have any weight in islamic jurisprudence or otherwise.
enusayr 3 years ago
"Don't write anything from me other than the Quran, and if you do erase it"
Give your entire source.
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
Ask nicely and I'll see.
enusayr 3 years ago
My apology if I asked directly, without salutations and sweet header or official introduction... THIS IS YOUTUBE, not the oval office.
And I know that you can't bring your source.
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
Feisty aren't we. Because you apologized (you didn't really, but I won't do your parent's job) here it is"
Sahih Muslim:
7702 - رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ " لاَ تَكْتُبُوا عَنِّي وَمَنْ كَتَبَ عَنِّي غَيْرَ الْقُرْآنِ فَلْيَمْحُهُ
Google it
enusayr 3 years ago
So you don't believe in the Hadith, because there is a Hadith in which the prophet PBUH rejected the HAdith. SO the Writer of that Hadith ( Imam Muslim ) was disobeying the Hadith of the prophet and wrote down the Hadith. Duh!! May God guard our brains!
That Hadith is about the prophet addressing the scribes of the Quran not to mix the revelation of the Quran with his words. We know that many companions did have Hadiths written in manuscripts.
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
"We know that many companions did have Hadiths written in manuscripts." Where are these manuscripts?
All you have are the reports of people that I am accusing of being liars.
At least "Imam" Muslim was more honest than you when he wrote in his introduction that he gathered that Hadith from 300,00 ORAL hadith at his time. ORAL NOT WRITTEN.
enusayr 3 years ago
The arguments are:
1- Bukhari is 250 years of hearsay
2- Early Muslims did not need it
3- Omar prohibited writing hadith
4- At Bukhari's time there were 600.000 hadith circulating. Evereybody was inventing Hadith
5- Unlike the Quran the Hadeeth is 100% human effort
6- those humans had political agendas
7- Islam is not the first religion to suffer from lies added to it
8- the Hadith contradicts itself and the Quran
9- It represents the culture of the people who wrote it at the time.
enusayr 3 years ago
How rude of you that after going through the trouble of getting the source you requested, you put words into my mouth to accuse my intellect. I don't believe the Hadith above nor any other hadith, it is you, who probably never read Muslim from cover to cover, that consider these books the holy cows of Islam.
enusayr 3 years ago
I highly recommend that you go and read some hadith yourself and see if it is against quran and Islam, why are you defending it without reading the whole bukhari book.
it is all superstition against Islam and was prohibited.
Some hadith might be sahih but you shouldn't take it blindly, as far as I am concerened Hadith is anti Quran in general.
Don't be afraid to reject hadith you will be doing the prophet pbuh good.
What makes you better than the jews then? Hadith=Talmud
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
super duper! love it as always lil bro :)
onemuslimvoice 3 years ago
I do however enjoy your videos, keep up the good work.
enusayr 3 years ago
According to the perspective of the "Quran only" Muslims your whole argument is not needed since the Quran says nothing of the seven versions.
enusayr 3 years ago
You do realize that The "Quran only" Muslims have reached the conclusion the there is no such thing as the seven readings of the Quran. They actually claim that Bukhari and the people of Hadith in general had ulterior motives for putting those Hadiths, and historically Hadith is considered apocryphal and not accepted as part of main stream Islam for at least the first Century AH. Some historians do not put any historical value in the Hadith for obvious reasons.
enusayr 3 years ago
ozzycda Peace. Why do you even bother with ignorent people.
If you could take the sun and put it in his right hand wile it is burning his hnad he will still say the sun dosent exist.
300ZXturboXX 3 years ago
Jazakallah khair.
Nazihah06 3 years ago
ozzy ur the man bro great work keep it up
xiaahmad 3 years ago
jazaallahu khair ozzy,
qabandiman 3 years ago
how can they lie so easily
may be they are inspired to lie by holy Ghost :D casper
xiaahmad 3 years ago
the guy who made that series didnt claim to be a christian. he said he was a muslim in the sense he believed in the one and only god but not believing muhummad was the final prophet
Celsus22 3 years ago
missionaries lies are well known
xiaahmad 3 years ago
the quoran has 7 different ways of recitations,it's not different versions,it's like dialacts but mainly with names in the quoran for example like you can read the name "MOSES" as "MOSA" or "MOSE" they are written the same but you can say them differently
superakarma 3 years ago
sorry i forgot to thank you for the video,and for the other videos too,thanks
superakarma 3 years ago
Thanks for undoing their lies... Jazak'Allah, bro.
With Dua,
Sight.
sightuponlight 3 years ago
another great video, great job
Basel17 3 years ago
I would like to add that lots of Hadiths are considered hearsay and no proof that Mohammad "PBUH" said that other than the claim by the narrator.
Some Hadiths are even contradict Quran, and hence can be thrown away easily.
All Hadiths were collected 250 years after the death of the prophet and in no way there is a gurantee that a hadith is authentic.
Bhkhari started with 600'000 hadiths and he only considered 7000 as authentic, that is 98.9% were considered as fabrication.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
Man this comment is full of so much falsehood i don't know where to start.................
NyuAkatsuki 3 years ago
First which Hadiths are considered hearsay which collections or specific Hadiths? Where are these Hadiths which contradict teaching of the Quran and what is there context and how is it related to the abrogation theorem? All Hadiths were collected 250 is just blatant falsehood since Abu Harraira and other companions had written collections!
Bukhari did have hundreds of thousands of Hadiths which he considered authenic but did'nt bother writing them down for reasons specified and unspecified.
NyuAkatsuki 3 years ago
Your dismissal of Hadiths is based on ignorance and falsehood please re-think you position.
NyuAkatsuki 3 years ago
i just want to ask you are you defending the hadithes or are you attacking them!!because i'll have different responds according
superakarma 3 years ago
My position is defending the Hadith collections
NyuAkatsuki 3 years ago
well,i think this guy means the unauthentic or favricated hadithes,and that the fabricated ones doesn't even have support from the quoran and that's how we know they are fabricated,the bukhari collected alot of hadithes and titles them as "correct" or "fabricated" or "good",depending on it's narrators and the logic,there is something that is called sciense of hadith and sciense of men or people,and it's only to collect the accurate hadithes..
superakarma 3 years ago
1.
Brother how are you sure that Hadith is 100% Authentic? I didn't claim that it is 100% fabrication but by claiming that it is all authentic you mean that Bukhari was 100% perfect. This is a big leap of faith in Al-Bukhari.
Now for Contradictions I don't know from where to start, I don't want to spam this channel but I will give you two examples one in which Hadith is contradicting another one and one in which it contradicts Quran.
Follows 2
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
2.
Contradicting Hadith
"The Messenger forbade a woman to bathe with the water left over by a man, and that a man should not bathe with water left over by a woman, instead they should both take scoopfuls of the water together" - Daud and An-Nasai and its chain of narrators is Sahih.
"The Propeht used to bathe with the water left over by Maimuna" - Muslim
And there are many more contradictions
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
3. Hadith Contradicting Quran
Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said, "I was praying. Satan came in front of me and tried to force me to break my prayers. Allah gave me control over him and I threw him down. I thought of tying him with a pillar so that you could see him in the morning (Bukhari 1:469, chapter 766).
This Hadith Contradicts: ...
Follows in 4.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
Continued Hadith Contradicting Quran:
Quran 7:27 "O Children of Adam, do not let the devil divert you as he evicted your parents from the paradise; he removed from them their protective layer to show them their wickedness. He and his tribe see you from where you do not see them."
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
Unfortunately this just shows me your ignorance of the collection of Hadiths and their interpretations. This is not an insult by a valid observation of your comments. I will respond to all your points in video to educate you regarding the matter.
NyuAkatsuki 3 years ago
Thank you brother for your generous offer, I find it is very strange that you are claiming that 100% of Hadith alleged to be said by prophet.
We all have very high admiration of the prophet PBUH, but those hadiths and I have tens of such hadiths are only meant as a back-door to attack our beloved prophet.
I would recommend while doing your video educating me to think a little bit of the purpose of such hadiths other than insulting the prophet.
I can send you lists by email if you like.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
I am going to ask you straight out! Are you an all-out Hadith Rejector? If not which Hadiths collection don't you accept or doubt? or which class of Hadiths do you find acceptable/unacceptable? The attack from back door is an invalid argument since the Kuffar attack the blatant truth about the prophet anyway. The why would anyway bother to forge such problematic Hadith even if they exist or interpret them to be problematic?Here your either saying the companions areliars or Collectors
NyuAkatsuki 3 years ago
No I am not all-out Hadith rejector..
But I am a rejector that the collector of hadith are 100% accurate and should be compared to the Quran.
What if a new muslim scholar comes up with new very innovative method to authenticate hadith and he proves himself to be sincere, would you be accept him?
What Muslim/Albukhari did was using the tools that they had their times is to try to filter no-authentic hadith, maybe they achieved 95% accuracy, but how do you claim that they got it 100%?
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
well i had this discussion with a friend about this issue, and the thing i understood was that the sahih collection (muslim, bukhari) are sahih as far as bukhari goes, they are sahih in terms of we are sure that bukhari mentioned this hadith and that there is no hadith that had been fabricated into his collection and named as a bukhari hadith,
basicly there is no weak hadith in a sense, but there is a weak "chain of narration"
qabandiman 3 years ago
Could be another way to approach it. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to notice the fabrications, just read and understand the quran and you will have all the tools to detect falsehoods and fabrications.
Like the return of jesus which is very clear unwarranted fabrication.
You will only find traces for him returning in some weak hadith.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
19:33 "Hence, peace was upon me on the day when I was born, and [will be upon me] on the day of my death, and on the day when I shall be raised to life [again]!"
qabandiman 3 years ago
Doesn't this also apply to you and me?
Aren't we are going to be raised in the day of judgment again?
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
:157 and their boast, "Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, [who claimed to be] an apostle of God!" However, they did not slay him, and neither did they crucify him, but it only seemed to them [as if it had been] so; [171] and, verily, those who hold conflicting views thereon are indeed confused, having no [real] knowledge thereof, and following mere conjecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay him: "
qabandiman 3 years ago
So you are saying that he is still alive?
3:185 Every human being is bound to taste death: but only on the Day of Resurrection will you be requited in full [for whatever you have done] - whereupon he that shall be drawn away from the fire and brought into paradise will indeed have gained a triumph: for the life of this world is nothing but an enjoyment of self-delusion.
Wasn't he a human/soul? so your claim contradict Quran.
What if they thought they killed him but he was alive and escaped?
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
umm yes Jesus pbuh will die.
how am i contradicting the quran by saying that Jesus pbuh did not die, i didint say jesus will never die.
qabandiman 3 years ago
that doesn't contradict the quoran,jesus will die a normal death like everyone else,how can that contradict the quoran?!!
superakarma 3 years ago
Jesus died a normal death but surely not by Crucifixion as per Quran.
it is very clear that he managed to avoid being crucified and being killed by them but that doesn;t mean he is still alive, this contradicts Quran and defies Logic.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
can you offer me some proof, because your going against muslim scholars and their consensus,
and since when do we use whats LOGICAL to us to judge Gods actions ?
was the splitting of the nile river logical ? no ? then we should reject it ?
qabandiman 3 years ago
No, you don't reject it. because you are Muslim and believe in the Quran, I struggled with lots of such miracles in Quran, I want to understand the wisdom of all, I am on the path Inshallah.
One of the things that shocked me is the miracle of Jonah and how he was inside the whale belly? well from Quran it says that he was never inside the Whale belly! He was bitten by the whale and then Allah saved him, but he was never inside the whale belly.
Read the Quran 37:140-146.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
no idea what your on about
qabandiman 3 years ago
nice try :)
Very interesting argument, so support your argument by Quran please?
Or maybe think about it, what if that Hadith is fabricated?
Does it make sense more that hadith is fabricated or Allah will allow jesus to live 2050+ years hiding with Allah "Astagfur allah for saying this"
But your assumption is very dangerous.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
bother,
i did support my argument with the quran but you totaly shunned the interpretations of the muslim scholars and interpreted the verse by yourself with your limited knowledge,
qabandiman 3 years ago
Brother don't you think this return of jesus or what christian call rapture is very important for us that Allah "SWT" would have revealed it in his book?
Why is it only mentioned in Hadith? and in Christian fabrications?
Also note that in the whole Quran it is emphasized that jesus is a human and a prophet, he had miracles, but death is upon us all.
Only Allah "SWT" knows the future, Mohammad "PBUH" and all other prophets don't know ANYTHING about the future, how can he predict it in hadith?
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
its mentioned in the quran but you choose to apply your own personal interpretation, not my problem,
and yes jesus is a human i never said he wasent human, and yes he will taste death. i dont see whats the problem.
Mohammad pbuh doesent know the future nor anyone in this world knows the "ghaib" , but wasent God using archangel JIbreel to contact Muhammad PBUH? cant God tell muhammad pbuh about the future ?
qabandiman 3 years ago
No because Jibreel himself doesn't know ghaib.
And Allah "SWT" in Quran says that no one knows the future other than him.
Brother read the Quran, there are tens of ayats discussing that Mohammad "PUBH" and other prophets no NOTHING about the future.
Saying they knew is blasphemy and against the Allah's "SWT" words in the Quran.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
Muhammad doesent know the future....
Except what ALLAH has revealed to him, can you understand that ?
The quran contains MANY predictions, ALL of wich Mohammad PBUH had been revealed to and then mohammad revealed to us.
qabandiman 3 years ago
I totally agree 100%.
Mohammad "PBUH" only knows what was revealed to him in the Quran for predicting the future..
In Quran you find many prophecies, I can name few like:
1. One the moon and sun will be united.
2. Muslims will abandon the Quran: which is happening right now, Muslims read Bukhari more than they read quran and they think it is 100% correct and they follow it more than they follow Quran!
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
Anything in any hadith that goes against the quran is 100% false as far as im concerned.
qabandiman 3 years ago
Excellent bro,
This is my point from the beginning, what make me angry is that there are some hadiths which undermine Quran and Prophet Mohammad, such Hadiths are called Israelites because they were fabricated by people who wanted to undermine prophet Mohammad "PBUH" and show that his teachings are false because he was exposing their falsehoods.
So the Jews/Christians wanted to make his message look like superstition which is not.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
You are a Hadith Rejector stop pretending to be otherwise. The nature of your comments expose you. At least admit what you are instead of hiding your believes under the cover of speculation.
NyuAkatsuki 3 years ago
Whats your problem?
Do you feel defenseless? you can never win against me, you know why? Because I am using Quran and you are using Bukhari, what a looser.
I don't care what do you think and I don't give a da*n.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
I knew it! I hit the jackpot with this comment you just confirmed you're a hadith rejector. I don't know what your on about but i use The Quran and the Sunnah as defined by the Hadith collections.
NyuAkatsuki 3 years ago
yeah,
You hit the jackpot.
And I was caught saying that some Hadith are fabrications and Bukhari is not God.
Guilty as charged.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
No! Your are fool who was caught rejecting Hadith on the Basis of "they insult the Prophet" and "appear made up using logic". Typical ignorance and sarcasm from Hadith rejectors. Your criteria and analysis for Hadiths collections is so foolish yet you critic great imams such as Bukhari who spent all the life's going through these narrations and have gained the trust of all the greatest scholars of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaah. Your failed attempts at putting doubt into the Muslims won't fly
fmm3 3 years ago
So I am a fool, very Islamic discussion from you.
My criteria is the Quran, what is your criteria?
Are you using the "great imams" as your guidance more than using the word of Allah?
I showed examples of Hadith contradicting Quran, How do you explain that?
Simple Question do you believe that Imam Bukhari is 100% error-free?
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
Sunni muslims have fallen into the same pitfall of the Christian and Jews. God says in the Quran that they made their monks and Rabbis lords instead of God. And here you are with your "great Imams" your lords whose words abrogate the words of the Quran according to your understanding. Being in the minority does not make me wrong, and being in the majority (Jamaah) does not make you right. Remember, the prophet and his followers were a minority once.
enusayr 3 years ago 2
Also you have as of yet to produce any Fabrication examples other then your mere ignorant speculations and foolish criterion.
PRODUCE YOUR EVIDENCE WHICH COLLECTIONS CONTAIN FABRICATIONS?
fmm3 3 years ago
Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet said, "I was praying. Satan came in front of me and tried to force me to break my prayers. Allah gave me control over him and I threw him down. I thought of tying him with a pillar so that you could see him in the morning (Bukhari 1:469, chapter 766).
Doesn't this contradict Quran?
you can call me ignorant and you can consider my posts as speculation, so tell me how doesn't this contradict Quran?
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
Anyone who rejects the Authentic Hadith of prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is Foolish because without the Hadith these people can't do a simple thing as prayer the correct way. Any one not aware and who critiques with blatant ignorance the hard work done by the likes of Imam Muslim and Bukhari et al in the their authentic traditions is foolish. As far as the scholars of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaah are aware there are no fabrications are contained in these collection its your job to prove otherwise.
fmm3 3 years ago
Wrong. You obviously have not read the books you are defending. YOU CANT LEARN PRAYER FROM Hadith it will only confuse you. Prayer was learned by Tawator until people started to document the prayer in the different mathaheb as they emerged.
enusayr 3 years ago
As usual the foolishness of Hadith Rejectors knows no bounds! How did you learn to pray? Unless you come from a long line of Hadith Rejectors dating to the prophet it is most likely your ancestors were not as foolish as you and they followed the methodology in Hadith. How ironic that the Hadiths were preserved in the same way as the Quran aswell. I don't know which deviant sect your from but its clear from your foolishness that you can't trust what they say
fmm3 3 years ago
good point enusayr.
You don't learn how to pray from Hadith, it is learned by Tawator.
fmm3...
Brother why are you accusing us of being fools? cannot you argue in a polite way as Quran instructs?
You know I was like you I read Bukhari since I was young and I knew that it is inferior to the Quran.
The main purpose of such weak hadith is to undermine the credibility of Quran and the prophet PBUH.
You are not doing the prophet any good by defending Bukhari.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
How did you learn to pray? Unless you come from a long line of Hadith Rejectors dating to the prophet it is most likely your ancestors were not as foolish as you and they followed the methodology in Hadith or followed some who followed the Hadith. How did you learn to pray? Unless you come from a long line of Hadith Rejectors dating to the prophet it is most likely your ancestors were not as foolish as you and they followed the methodology in Hadith.
fmm3 3 years ago
The prophet Muhammad was a Hadith rejector according to Hadith itself. Omar was a Hadith rejector according to Hadith itself. Abu Haneefah was a hadeeth rejector as well. The respect of Hadeeth as a source of jurisprudence was not the norm in the early islamic empire. I pray "salat" as has been handed down and documented at the time of Abo Haneefah
enusayr 3 years ago
prophet was a hadith rejector??? what planet are you from??? please, for the sake of your self and others stop posting your opinions!
thetruth778 3 years ago
Your foolishness does not even realise that Tawator is EXACTLY THE same as Hadith narrations from generation to generation PASS DOWN except at some point some one wrote it down in a collection to avoid deviants coming along and also the Chinese whisper effect is nullified
fmm3 3 years ago
No it is not,
Prayer was done by Muslims since the prophet was alive is still the same until today, because it started and the prophet was alive.
Hadith was collected 250 years after the prophet death, and it was only very few people who claimed to hear such saying by the prophet.
all Muslims even shia and sunis agree on how to pray but they never agreed on hadith.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
What is the difference between Tawator and Hadith? In each case the knowledge is passed down from generation to generations. Its just the Hadith were written down and Tawator is not written down. Unless your saying that people who gave the narrations to Imam Bukhari were narrating the wrong prayer form to him therefore Tawator is unreliable. Or that your saying the people who tought Imam Bukhari how to pray were following the wrong Tawator then i ask you who is following the right Tawator?
fmm3 3 years ago
Now lets for think of it is as if we are living in the third century AH.
Now someone comes with a different prayers than all we were taught from our father, grandfather.. , wouldn't you be able to detect the innovation?
Now for Hadith it is not as massive tawator as prayers, it is only the chain of the narrators and you know the chain is strong as the weakest link.
So Bukhari assumed that all his chain is 100% correct, he also didn't use the Quran as validation tool!
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
2.
And not all Muslims agreed with Bukhari, and hence you have Sahih Muslim.
Hadith became more prominent for political reasons between Shia and Suni which is against the words of Allah.
Cannot you see? why Muslims are so weak now because became into Shia/Suni.. and they are all Muslims, what makes them different is only Hadith..
Hadith was fabricated by Shia and was fabricated by Suni to justify thier political gains.
if you are real muslim then you have to validate it with Quran!
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
See what i mean you don't even know what your talking about man! i'm i forced to do another video refuting you
fmm3 3 years ago
That is a good idea,
I would like to hear other opinions.
Having said that I would highly recommend that you take some times before start doing the video, let things sink in and try to approach the subject from an open mind.
Think about it, without such fabricated hadiths, we wouldn't have any differences between Muslims.
Do you know there is a hadith as well claiming that Ibrahim was going to sacrifice Isaac instead of Ishamel which is a CLEAR contradiction and only supporting Israelites.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
People already knew how to pray at that time and you have to remember that Bukhari was a liar who mixed honey and poison. You can never learn how to pray from Bukhari but if you believe his lies he will make you doubt the basics of your deen including salat.
enusayr 3 years ago
You are obviously an uneducated person in Hadeeth. If you were you would know that there are less than 0-25 (depends on the definition) Hadeeth motawatar in the world and the rest and Ahad.
enusayr 3 years ago
Its ironic that your argument comes from a Hadith Rejctor webite (e-bacaan . com / /artikeli_debunking) with the most ignorant of arguments against the authentic traditions. How can they post such gibberish as " Hadith plagiarized from the Bible" with a straight face only Allah knows.
AGAIN HADITH REJECTOR YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED......
NOW ON TO YOUR ARGUMENT
fmm3 3 years ago
I am Hadith rejector and you are Quran rejector.
And you are Quran rejector has been exposed.
You cannot refute me so you accuse me of being foolish and you still cannot refute me other than accusing me of being foolish.
Btw: thanks for the link! I find it very useful and it has some answers and confirmations for me!
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
SHOW ME ONE BOOK OF HADITH (PAGE NUMBERS, BOOK NAMES, VOLUMES) OR ONE SCHOLARLY WEBSITE (USC ETC) THAT CONTAINS THIS HADITH BECAUSE I THINK YOU HADITH REJECTORS MADE IT UP BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND IT SOO LINK ME!
(Bukhari 1:469, chapter 766).
fmm3 3 years ago
al-eman(dot)com/hadeeth/viewchp.asp?BID=13&CID=43&SW=%C7%E1%D4%ED%D8%C7%E4-%C7%D5%E1%ED#SR1
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago
USC Refernce:
usc(dot)edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/022.sbt.html#002.022.301
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago