Half a million pilgrims join the pope for a Mass in Fatima

[michaelj1955]

Child abuse is more likely to happen by a step father or other family member. I have NEVER known a single person who was abused by the Catholic hierarchy. God bless the Pope and all our Priests, Bishops and Deacons! I'm glad to be Catholic!

[luqmanfayyaz]

NO RELIGION SUPPORTS TERRORISM. ESSA, JESUS AND MOHAMMAD PBUH, ALL CAME WITH THE MESSAGE OF LOVE, AFFECTION AND PEACE. PREVIOUS AND ON GOING WARS ARE NOT RELIGIOUS.

[VictorLepanto]

@luqmanfayyaz: Really? Please specify in which verse of the Koran the world "love" appears.

[santoscidadao]

Viva Nossa Senhora!!

[muriloebarbosa]

Beautiful coral, Live to the it eats Bento xvi, more beautiful coral of the planet.

[muriloebarbosa]

Beautiful coral, Live to the it eats Bento xvi, more beautiful coral of the planet.

[muriloebarbosa]

Lindo coral, Viva ao papa Bento xvi, mais belo coral do planeta.

[AtomicBomb79]

the 2 people who clicked the dis like button are athiests

[archpolice]

New International Version (©1984)

Acts 4

11. He is "'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.'

12. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

[megaead69]

Long live Pope Benedict XVl!! The Roman Catholic Church is the One Church founded by Jesus Christ. I am a former very anti-catholic protestant who has converted to Catholicism. So all I will say is that unless you actively seek the truth you won't ever find it.

[AtomicBomb79]

@megaead69 

[mgrosenstein]

Long live Pope Benedict XVI!!

To Hell with filthy secularist media and its rabids sycophants!

[priest008]

Enough is enough, stop speaking of the sexual abuses, they happened and sadly will continue happening because sinful men always were.... the most the Church can do is take precautions , pray and ask forgiveness which it's done a million times dare. Now every one should be discussing the Homosexual marriages which will take place in Portugal, that is what people should be condemning!!

[Entropy3ko]

@priest008

We must al pray for justce and forgiveness.

[xn117]

@priest008 intolerant asshole. 

[taxiride1]

@priest008 "...the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul" 1 Samuel 18:1 The Church should concern herself with the salvation of the flock, not strengthening a conservative political agenda. My confessor and I have this debate often.

[priest008]

@taxiride1 We are talking about souls here..Any soul can be knit together, like I love my friend and will do anything for my brother or friend, knitting a soul to soul. But Sacred Matrimony is between Man and woman.! Period, exclamation mark! The word of God is so clear on: Fornication, homosexual actions and Adultery, let's not play the fool here, we all know they are condemned actions. The Church strenghtens a conservative political agenda because conservative society allows the Church space..

[taxiride1]

@priest008 We'll agree to disagree but only because you are a Priest and have more authority in these matters than I do.

[priest008]

@taxiride1 heey, I am not a priest yet.....and you needn't have authority to prove a point all one must do is Read, chew and swallow sacred scripture then read chew and swallow the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

[taxiride1]

@priest008 Will you give your parishioners permission to read the Gnostic Gospels? (I ask in curiosity with no reference to what we talked about previously.) Certain Priests in my acquaintance have told me that I shouldn't, I mean, of course I am reading them now. But do you think I should?

[priest008]

@taxiride1 One understands the priests concern..the Gnostic Gospels are part of the New testament apocrpha and it depends what versions you are reading. You are free to read them no one will stop you, however rather than reading what Holy Mother Church deems "unimportant" why don't you read what was put together by the Holy Ghost and the Church fathers and that which has established holy Mother Church and her Apostolic traditions...read the Holy Bible.

[taxiride1]

@priest008 Ah, thanks. But I'm an avid reader - I've read the Bible many times, as well as books by the current Pope like The Fathers, I've read books by Saints like Teresa of Avila, I like to read wider. But thank you for your response :)

[priest008]

@taxiride1 Yes...so am I a wide reader, I read all sorts include Darwin etc....But the more I read books like 'st.Alphonsus Ligouri' the more I confirm that the faith is real and alive. I think you would enjoy "St.Thomas Aquinas" too.

[taxiride1]

@priest008 I've read Aquinas. I don't bother with Darwin since I prefer modern books on Evolution and I'm amazon-ing St. Alphonsus Ligouri now, I'll try him :)

[CaliforniaCatholic]

God bless the Pope !!!!

[gianmerlo]

W Catholics.

[alexpratine1]

Happy day of Fatima from Canada. We all should pray for the unity of the Church. and pray for those who are ignorant and do not know what they are saying about blaming the whole Catholic Church for the mistakes of few.

[defensorvenezuela]

Happy Day of Fatima Portugalll!!!! Greetings from Venezuela!!!

Feliz Dia de Fatima Portugal!!! Saludos desde Venezuela!!!

[JPGiardina]

The resurrection of Christ assures us that no adverse power will ever be able to destroy the Church, Pope Benedict XVI -Lisbon, Portugal, May 11, 2010

[Tibly]

Don't mind about mental blindness people for there are no left or right, night or day, neither hell or heaven.

[YouTuBie2007]

@panthera50.....even if u don't agree you should show some respect, go live with gays and 14 yr old pregnants on a island and keep the diseases to yourselves.

[panthera50]

@YouTuBie2007 Respect ? for what ? for raping priests, and a pope who protects them ? are you kidding me ?

[YouTuBie2007]

@panthera50.....i don't respect raping priests either but the man you call an old idiot ain't such thing and he doesn't protect them as you say, believe me he won't be drinking a cup of tea with any of these filthy child abusers.

Christianity is all about love, respect, compassion and so on, because of the missteps of some the whole religion and its followers have to pay the price ? Think before spreading your hate...

[panthera50]

@YouTuBie2007 : I suggest you read more on him and this subject.

You'll be suprised how much he covered up and DID protect.

And yes: ALL Catholics are guilty in this way: YOU provided that church with the money he payed the rape victims with, and STILL do.

That makes you an accomplice in this crime, committed by your church.

[Entropy3ko]

@panthera50 You should read up and get informed. What you are saying is basically nonsense.

The Church did pay money for REPARATION, thst is correct... or would you prefer it did not?

Do not bewlieve everything the papers tell you and get the REAL facts.

[YouTuBie2007]

@panthera50 ...bit short sighted aint we, i won't even reply to such nonsense, if u don't want to believe fine but treat the ones who do with some respect.

Remember you offend a lot of people when calling his hollyness "an old idiot".

[19lfm12]

@YouTuBie2007 No respect shall be given to men who knowingly support & enable sex abuse of the young. And then dare to assert their 'authority'....'in God's Name'.

God has repeatedly requested them to repent& reform themselves; to return to His Gospel & away from their sinful structures, alliances & greed.

They refuse.

"So it is written, so it shall be done".

[alexpratine1]

@panthera50 Please my friend do not be so ignorant. You know the Pope is not protecting anyone, he is fighting evil inside the church. He is a good man and God is at his side.

[19lfm12]

@alexpratine1 There is absolutely NOTHING good about Josef Alois Ratzinger. He positively reeks to the stench of hell. His appearance is a demonic caricature of normal human features. His words, cleverly designed to appear 'pious' are nothing but filthiness clothed as light.

Factually, we now know & have proof that Ratz personally is involved in the episcopal coverup; both in German & globally.

He is most certainly NOT a 'good man'...and the Other Guy is at his side.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

You judge a person just because how he looks like in pictures? That is quite stupid.

What about handicapped people, some times they have grottesque appearance too... are they evil as well?

It his clear you base your judgements not on fact but on speculation and silly arguments.

it does not matter what B16 does or says, biggots like you are so biased that have an unchangable a priori judgements

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko 1) The eyes reveal the soul

2) His words & deeds confirm what his eyes speak.

3) By contrast, John XXIII was a very ugly man - yet had a beautiful smile, kindness & spiritual genuiness about him. He was of God, despite his personal faults.

4) Ratz revealed himself for what he is in 2005 at Auschwitz, when he publically rebuked God & blasphemed.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

3- That is nonsense. I know many priests and non of them have never done something wrong. 'Private testimony' means little, unless there are solid proofs.

Also even if one knows a criminal, it does not mean he knows of his crimes... you might know pedophiles... but be unaware that they are such.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Every priest know an abuser priest - either in the same residence, or in the diocese. Priest culture works that way - they know & talk among themselves. They know who has a woman or man on the side. Who likes boys or girls. They know. And when one of them gets 'caught' or has a near brush with "trouble' they know of it. Priest who are Chancery officials know everybody's dirt.

They are required by 'the house rules' to keep it secret from the public - and cops.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

This is complete bullshit :P

Priests do talk among each other but your allegations make no sense. I strongly doubt pedophie priests talked about their deeds with others.

Priests are require to keep secret only for Sacramental Confession, and not only fro priests but for everybody.

I do not know where you get your information from, but it's nonsense.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko This information which you are denying as if your life depended on it has come out in the Ryan & Fearns reports in Ireland, from current & former priests & lay persons in a position to know such things.

...and if you think that abuser priests do not talk to each other about their exploits, perhaps you should start to read up about the abuse crisis. Start with Boston.....

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

I am not denying anything.

You should start reading FACTS and not speculations.

Even if some are guilty, and some are, you are exagerating and generalizing. Every intelligent man knows this.

You mention the reports... well read them. Read the truth and not copy nonsense you find on the internet.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko A cogent example - which I know you will reject- is the sworn testimony of Fr.James Hoatson in Federal court, in which he delineates clearly the internal machinations of the 'priest culture'.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12 Fr.James Hoatson made a lot of allegations, but not all of them were true.

Or do you think that every single testimony in the world is true?

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko ....and how exactly would you know they are not true?

Even if he never existed, there is more then enough evidence to show that the key elements of what he asserts are very real; the connivance & collusion of Prelates to enable & protect abusers. That priests who try to report abuse are punished. That many Prelates are so morally & sexually compromised that they will do anything to protect their fiefdom - either on their own and/or on orders from Rome.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

There is evidence that some priests and bishops committe horrible crimes.

And such people should be punished.

There is no evidence that all priests are involved (that is ridiculous). Only a small minority was involved.

Priests who report abuse are not punished... this is again science fiction

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko The foundation of US jurisprudence is upon evidence; this includes sworn testimony on penalty of perjury.

Naturally, the Hoatson case would lose. Easy to do when the Church either has the judge in their pocket. Bribed? Threatened? Willing cooperator? Opus Dei 9or ancillary group) member?

It matters not. One can easily read between the lines & lies of this one....

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

Sure. We have so much power, we FORCED the papers to build up the scandal for a great pubblicity stunt.

*sigh*

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Part of the mission of the Anti-Gospel is to destroy faith.

Thank you for clarifying that........

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

Riiiiiiiiight!

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko One of the main objectives of the Anti-Gospel is to destroy faith. There are many ways to do this, overt or sublte.Both methods have been used.

When you have the Church organization & its administrators posited as 'being Christ' & 'representing God', to knowingly allow sex abuse is a wonderful tool.

Ppl are conditioned to 'believe in the Church'; thus the object of faith is soiled, destroying faith of millions.

.....opening the way for Act II

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

1- Only God sees into a man's heart the bible says.

2& 4- You continue to make no sense. Benedict XVI never rebuked God.... it is clear you do not even know what Benedict XVI has ver done or said...

I somewhat feel sad for people like you who live to hate others

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Perhaps you should review what he said in 2005 before you run your mouth....he publicly blasphemed & rebuked God.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

Not at all. Prove it to me. Tell me EXACTLY where he said this and his exact words...

And do not just make up sum bull, tell me exactly the date and the speech he gave. Sicne they are all available online it will be easy to check it.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko "Even if one were to come back from the dead, they would not believe".

You have already been given the key search words; do your won homework.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

"Even if one were to come back from the dead, they would not believe".

This goes for you as well ;)

Set your hate aside and then check the facts.

[Entropy3ko]

@panthera50 If you bothered to read the FACTS you would not say such nonsense.

Most pedophiles are married people, often in families (through incest), schools, boy scvouths and youth associations.

Get informed, beacause now you are behaving like a biggot.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the most horrid crime possible, worse then abortion, as it is murder of souls. Done intentionally & enabled knowing by Bishops & Cardinals. It has been ongoing for centuries.

The true number of cases is far vaster the then 'credible cases' the Vatican admits, as most were not reported out of FEAR of the clergy! As clerics represent & act in the person of Christ, clerical sex abuse is the penultimate demonic mindfuck.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

1- You speak out of speculation.

2- What about the fact that more than 99% of sexual abuse of children occusers in secular institutions (Schools, hospitals, families) what are you gonna do about that?

3- Some priests (a very small minority) have committed this horrible crime, No one denies that. Yet you are generalizing, and that is wrong.

4- We are NOT supporting the abusers, but the Church and we hope that the abusers will be brought to justice.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko 1) I speak from knowledge

2) As the vast majority of Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse cases were either never reported to law enforcement and/or the victims were threatened into silence, the true numbers are known but to God who shall now avenge them

3) Many priests historically have been abusers. And EVERY priest knows an abuser & keeps silent, thus enabling him. Thus EVERY priest shares some guilt, as do laity who play dumb & continue to feed them.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

1- I do, you do not. Read the facts

2- The thing might be partially true. Unfortunately Bishops handled the situation quite badly.

3- That is ignorant bullshit.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko 1) You only read the 'facts' that Opus Dei spews forth as disinformation

2) The Bishops were under orders from Rome to coverup & this has been proven. The testimony of many victims of the threats from Bishops is proof of the coverup - & of former cops.

3) Each priest knows at least one abuser priest. If you work in the Chancery you know all the dirt. This is based on private testimony of those in a position to know this.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

1- I never mentioned the Opus Dei, not are they my source of information.

2- Not at all. Evedently you do not know what you are talking about. Bishops ALWAYS had local authority over their own dioceses. A local bishop has more authority in his own dioceses than the Pope.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko 1) You are either overtly lying or are merely a useful idiot - as everything you have belched forth is from Opus Dei's 'script' for this issue:)

2) If you think for one minute that the Pope does not have direct personal jurisdiction in each & every diocese...think again.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

1- I am neither.

Perhaps Opus Dei stated something similar to what I said... this perhaps because it is the truth.

Not only me have stated these things, I am not surprized Opus Dei would do the same.

2- You should think again, evidentoly you have NO IDEA how the Church works

3- You are great at offence... but not grat at knowing your facts ;)

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko 1) Opus members are forbidden to reveal their affiliation - but imbibing the Leaven of Escriva as you have works just as well

2) Anyone cognizant of the abuse crisis & having read my comments would see that I am well versed in the subject matter. You on the other hand are in complete denial of reality!

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

1- I s that so? I know 2-3 Opus Dei members and they never lied about it.

I think you do not know squat about Opus Dei as well... where do you get your info? Dan Brown? hahah!

2- No you are just reporting what most uninformed and misinformed people say about the crisis.

You fail to cite concrete sources to your allegations,it is clear that you have not read the sources you do cite and you lack understanding of the Catholic Church.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko 1) The only true element in Dan Brown's works is the power, mode & attitude of the Opus & Vatican; all else is pure fiction. The reality is far worse - and Brown was well paid for promoting the Opus:)

2) While I have cited the Ryan & Fearns reports - you ignore this. It would not matter if I wrote a 100 page thesis on this; you would remain in deep denial of reality.

3) If you read 'The Way', their members are conditioned to lie.....

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

You cited the source but like I said you know little of what it truly says.

Evidently you are either fantasizing or you are just repeating anti-catholic nonsense.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko The reports from Ireland VERY explicitly delineate that the Bishops KNEW & APPROVED of the abuse both tacitly & overtly, covered it up as a matter of company policy.And had the cooperation of the 'good Catholic cops & judges'.

...just as they have & have done in the US & in every land where the abuse situations have been made public knowledge.

Including Munich......

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

Yes SOME bishops made grave mistakes, no one denies that.

Der Spiegel story about Munich was somewhat.... half true half false, you should know this by now

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Known and/or reported cases of abuse has occurred in every Diocese in the US. So every residential bishop is guilty, one way or the other. The guilt is systemic.

We all know what Ratz did in Munich: he enabled abuser priests, shifting responsibility to others,including subordinates. Standard procedure.....

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

That is not true.

Also, even it it was ture most of the cases are 30-50 years old... when many bishos where just kids themselves/

Ratzinger did not do that, Der Spiegel accused him to do that but allegations were later on proved false.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko The allegations against Ratz very much still stand; nothing was 'disproven'. Let a civil court of law decide that.

The known & reported & 'deemed credible' abuse cases continued up into the last decade. Bishops are responsible for what occurs on their watch AND for what went before. As a cases persued by victims which happened under a previous administration were presented to the successor bishops for action....

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

Agreed: Let's the facts speak... not nonsense :)

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Abuse has literally ocurred in EVERY US diocese. Not every case was reported, due to fear of the clergy. Many which were reported were ignored and/or the victim was frightened into keeping silent by the bishop.

This is the awful truth.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

You are contraddicting yourself.

If the cases were not reported how do you know about it? You simply do not. You just speculate or base your accusations on other's people speculations.

Get real!

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko One may know of unreported cases of abuse by talking to victims - or their surviving family/friends. There are support groups for abuse survivors. Then we have the testimony of good & honest priests who heard of unreported cases. Either in parishes, schools, minor seminaries, orphanages, and from those who have dealt with the abuser priests who were sheltered by the Church, whose abuse cases were silenced.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Your quick response - and complete denial of reality - is obvious. As is the fact that you have never actually read even the more famous Ryan report.....

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

I do not deny reality, it s YOU who clearly distort it.. You are the liar, not the Pope, I guess.

You are just like some journalists that made up ridiculuos stories (that were proven wrong)

You should be ashamed!You lie and you promote hatred.

Then you call others evil? Perhaps you should start ecamining yourself first

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko As to 'ridiculous stories'...how about the fairy tales passed off as the 'stories' of the life of JoseMaria Escriva & Mr. Ratzinger?

Those tales are so 'full of it' as to be completely fabricated for public consumption!

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

You clearly hate Opus Dei & the Pope.

You state 'full of it' ... but many allegations that were made against these men were found to be false.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Opus Dei is the anti-Gospel.Founded by a man exhibiting many of the classic signs of demonic possession. He posited himself as 'The Father', & wrote 'The Way' - completely blasphemous! The content of the book is horrid yet demoniacally clever.

Ratz is a willing & knowing collaborator with the Opus, which arranged his 'election'. He is a complete fraud - in every possible way.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

I see... you are one of those who see the devil and conspiracy theorieseveryehere they find something they disagree upon.

Soon you will speak about aliens and crab-people

no time for such nonsense

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko The Vatican has thrived on the intentional use of the Stockholm Syndrome in the faithful (rather then faith in God), & the inducement of Cognitive Dissonance. This is clearly evident in the rabid & overt Denial most Catholics have to the abuse crisis.

The Devil loves to hide beneath the cassocks of organized religion, posing as light. And the clever trick of pretending not to exist.....

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

It is clear that you do not think straight. You are one of those 'conspiracy lovers' who make absurd connections everywhere to prove their crackpot theories.

I think it is useless to reply to you... I only debate with sane people

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko It would seem that this is what you have been conditioned to:

"If the Church says black is white & white is black, then I am to think & believe as such....".

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

I think you are the one conditioned to anti-cathoolicism like it happens in some sects

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko ...I happen to be a Catholic. I also know how to spell.....

As to 'sects', let us ponder Communion & LIberation, Focalore, Neo-Catechumens, Opus Dei, LC/RC, Miles Jesu, Youth 2000, and the rest.

Different faces all interconnected; all of the Leaven of the Pharisees. All cults, not followers of Jesus, except in name only.

Their overriding mode: "the prime object of love is the pope...".

Not God....not Jesus of Nazareth. And not His teaching, the Gospel.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12 These are not sects. what you mention.

You are clearly NOT Catholic, otherwise you would not deny the council of Nicea.

You are a loony :P

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Those groups are all cult-like sects. Both explicitly & implicity they function as such; they function is the mode of cult. There are not of Christ.

The core of the Catholic Faith is 100% coherent with the Gospel & Christ; the Vatican is not. I believe in that Faith, known to Christians before the Church was sold to Mammon.

I believe in the Trinity; the Creed fabricated at Nicea denies the nature & function of the Persons of the Trinity.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Perhaps the best 'conspiracy' was pulled off in Rome, 325AD. Of the 1800 bishops in the world,less then 300 attended the Council of Nicea - called & chaired by the pagan Emperor Constantine. Some sources cite as few as 270; a nominal 15% attendance. No sane entity would consider that a quorum, much less for making decisions binding upon all 1800.

The 270-300 bishops sold Christ's Church to Mammon, making it a state religion & establishing the Vatican organization.....

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

Perhaps because the representatives of different 'factions' were called? Sheesh! Check the FACTS....!

Ok believe what you want. It is clear to me that you have nothing tu say.

[Entropy3ko]

@Entropy3ko Also:

if all the other disagreed why did they not fiercly protest? Evidently they agreed, tacitly or openly.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Those who know history know full well that the decisions of Nicea was mandatory. Many did protest. They were silenced - by the sword. Thus the start of what was later called the Inquisition. Those who would not submit were expelled from the Church - or killed. This was now a state religion & Constantine gave it teeth to enforce itself.

Thus the bishops who made their bargain showed of what spirit they were.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko The facts are that nominally 15% of bishops attended. The plausible conclusions are:

1) Not all bishops were invited

2) Many refused to participate.

Prior to Nicea all decisions were reached by collaboration; by mutual consensus. NOT by majority rule, nor fiat!

As there is no 3rd option, we must conclude that 'something was up'. History shows that there was obvious connivance, with the new state religion immediately repudiating the Gospel in word & deed.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

On the contrary, representatives of many of the bishops of the Church convened to agree on several issues.

It is clearly that you are also ignorant of he history of the early Church.

YOu are clearly not Catholic... you are probably Mormon or Johova withness or some other pseudo-christian...

[Entropy3ko]

@Entropy3ko

*Jehova witness... pardon my faulty selling.

Anyway I see where you came from. Some faction or another that blames the Church for everything with all accusations (real or otherwise) they can find.

I am sorry I cannot continue debating with someone like this.

Go to catholic. com ;)

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Why would I want to go to an Opus Dei friendly website?

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko "On the contrary, representatives of many of the bishops of the Church convened to agree on several issues."

Yea...like how to persecute & murder those who questioned their hegemony......

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko The Devil attempted & failed to tempt Jesus with 'all the kingdoms of the world & the power & glory thereof. They are given to me & mine to give to whom I please, if they but worship me".

He succeeded at Nicea in 325AD.

The rest, as they say, is history.....

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko Every Catholic who does not stand up & REFUSE to $upport & enable the perverted bishops, shares guilt. Just as one who enables an addict, justifying it via mental gymnastics is guilty.

If you refuse to support & enable them- then you are doing what is morally & spiritually just before God.

If you DO support & enable them, you risk sharing their fate.

[Entropy3ko]

@19lfm12

I do not refuse to bring the guilty priests and bishops to justice.

I believe they shoulf.

It is however different what you are saying, you do not care about justice, but about hating and generalizing. In this way you are offending the victims by instrumentalizing them, not helping them.

[19lfm12]

@Entropy3ko If you financially support them - you are supporting the abusers & their episcopal enabler & protectors.

It is that simple.

It was the Will of God that these things come out in the open, to expose the dark deeds of those evil clerics.

There are very few good priests -- they suffer not as they personally do evil, but as the priest system forces them to silence, instead of justice.