What I have seen so far is that both parties are owned by corporate America along with the media and the media is really bad the more they keep lying about the same stuff over and over again the easier it becomes believable to the public and this is how they sell their bullshit to the people that can't think for themselves.
Meet Mr. 'Big Brother' - have your 'progressive' policies made society better or simply more dependent and complacent. I guess the facts speak for themselves - both these goober are FIRED! They are so smart they forgot the $14T debt and $1.4T deficit while on their healthcare spending spree. Good Riddance
@Slayerfan84 Grayson opposed the power of corporations and took some who cheated the tax payers and put troops in danger to court and won. In a post "citizens united" world, the corporations could run as many ads as they wanted against him. He lost not because he was smart but because he dared to make enemies of the rich and powerful.
Alan, the house has called you back in session this week...
Now clean out your desk !!!! YOUR FIRED ~~~!!!!!!!!
America wants your political career to....DIE QUICKLY !!!!!
Hlaaah...Haaaaa.....haaa...Blahhh...Haaaa......political career to....DIE QUICKLY....Hlaaaa.....HAAAAA....... Pzsttttttttttttt...... PISS ON GRAYSON.
Wow! I wonder if this jackass knows he is indeed a jackass. But the bigger morons are those who elected him. Keep those ratings up, Keith. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot. Your ratings are in the tank.
@demsandlibssuck Wow I wonder if the idiots who pop in here to oppose Grayson understand just what idiots they are. They insult the voters who wisely elected the guy after looking at the alternative of voting for a republican. It is a never ending source of amazement to me that some people can still support republicans after the total mess they have made of things. I guess some people are just getting all their opinions from Faux News like little mindless sheep.
@knowledgemonger Alan, the house has called you back in session this week...
Now clean out your desk !!!! YOUR FIRED ~~~!!!!!!!!
America wants your political career to....DIE QUICKLY !!!!!
Hlaaah...Haaaaa.....haaa...Blahhh...Haaaa......political career to....DIE QUICKLY....Hlaaaa.....HAAAAA....... Pzsttttttttttttt...... PISS ON GRAYSON.
@knowledgemonger Uh, yes I totally agree the voters wisely elected the guy - but it wasn't 'Mr. Big Brother-Tax and Spend' Grayson - they dumped him after one term. Guess that's what happens when you have a small mind and big mouth you keep putting your foot into. Speaking of messes, take note: the 'incompetents' have managed to expand the national debt and deficits more in two years than the eight Bush was in office. Good work progressives, at this rate we'll be bankrupt in no time!
@dospesentas You are blaming Grayson and his sort for things that he had nothing to do with. It was the republican controlled years that ran the economy off a cliff. The 700 Billion needed to keep the who banking sector from failing was asked from by a Paulson a republican. The money supply was decreasing and we were heading to a 1929 style crash. The government had two options both were bad. One was to let it happen and doom a generation the other was to pump in money. They did right.
@knowledgemonger Research the "debt/deficit explosion" (from $9 TO 14T/$455b TO 1.4T) ALL ( but $25B unrecovered from TARP) from Grayson and his ilks schemes in TWO YEARS since Bush! AVOIDED A 1929 CRASH! That's pure, unsubstantiated, conjecture and we're not out of the woods yet. The 'incompetents' have managed to position us into dollar devaluation, hyperinflation, hyperdebt and a probable loss of the dollar as the global exchange currency. Pray the House can turn the ship from the rocks.
@dospesentas No the avoiding the crash is not conjecture. Go learn a little economics and then you will see just how big of a mess we were in when the wheels fell off the system. You will also discover that it really wasn't mortgages that was the problem. If you add up all the suspect mortgages the total is less than the size of the drop. There were huge amounts of paper in the system that were supported only by thin air.
@knowledgemonger You can't prove the 'incompetents' spending spree did anything but postpone the inevitable. Your claim IS classic conjecture; the scope or root cause(s) of the problem are immaterial. Throwing borrowed money at 'pet' programs and temporary 'prop ups' isn't a long term solution - it's FOLLY by INCOMPETENTS - who clearly have YOU fooled. Grayson got canned when voters discovered who he really was; an egotistical, loudmouthed, caustic, partisan, incompetent . Truth hurts!
@dospesentas I can only tell you what econonics has to say on the subject. Proof the nature you want can't be done because we would need two planets with the same situation. I suddenly decreasing money supply is what we had. This is very big trouble for the economy. Lending just freezes up and the economy just crashes unless money is injected. It isn't very complicated to understand.
@knowledgemonger Decreasing money supply! Check the MB/M1 for the period - it's UP, perhaps you're confusing VELOCITY, despite the 'incompetents' spending spree, it continues below baseline. You're buying into the 'incompetents' UNPROVABLE propaganda. Each passing day demonstrates the 'incompetents' did NOTHING but blow a lot of borrowed money (which we have to pay back at some point WITH INTEREST - did you forget?) to stall the inevitable. Wake up and smell the local gov's budget crisis.
@dospesentas The decrease was real and short termed. You won't see it in things like M1 money supply but you did see it in the abrupt stop to basically all lending. You seem to have bought into a story line put out by a bunch of no-nothings and those who made the mess in the first place. It is a good thing there were some adults in the room when it happened. Your theories would have landed us in great depression #2. It would have been worse than 1929 because people are more interdependent
@knowledgemonger There's been NO baseline decrease in the MB/M1 since 7/07. You confuse supply with velocity - the utilization rate which correlates to lending. You and the 'incompetents' have zero facts to support your claims, only conjecture and delusional self back patting . Too bad the ADULTS in the room didn't speak up. All the money went to fund a bunch of pork, leaving states holding the bag. No infrastructure and unemployment blew by the promised 8% ceiling. SMOKE AND MIRRORS
@dospesentas It really is a good thing that there were adults in the room when the wheels fell off. Your sort would have landed us in another 1929 or worse. Unemployment was heading for 25% like happened in 1929. Politicians didn't admit how big the problems was. Now folks who want to make political points at any cost to the nation make lots of bogus claims about it. You say no infrastructure was done but every day I drive home on some that was done. I have watched the ribbons cut.
@knowledgemonger My sort? Those who don't buy the 'incompetents' propaganda and act based on FACT, not assumption/speculation. Do you understand monetary vs fiscal policy? INFRASTRUCTURE LOL!! <5% of the ARRA went to infrastructure. Look at the housing #s, the unemployment #s, the quantitative easing, interest rates, the debt, the deficits. You're in denial - they tossed out pork, sinking state budgets, racked up debt and postponed the problem with a band-aid. INCOMPETENT EXPERIMENTERS
@dospesentas Yes, your sort. You are the exact sort of incompetent and ignorant person who would have send the economy straight into a 1929 style disaster. You believe lots of complete BS about the situation that we faced and how to survive it. You have bought into the same nonsense ideas that created the mess in the first place. It is really a good thing that there were adults in the room when the wheels fell off.
@knowledgemonger Actually I'm the one NOT believing and attacking me doesn't validate the 'incompetents' unsubstantiated propaganda. You're in denial (or ignorant) of unemployment, housing, increased debt, deficit spending and the local government budget crisis. Nothing's resolved, only postponed with BORROWED money. Save your 'mission accomplished' banner. Is believing something that can't be demonstrated and is only conjecture ADULT? You still believe in the Easter bunny and Santa too?
@dospesentas You claimed there were no infrastructure projects when I drive on one every day and see the ribbon cuttings. You simply don't understand that we were headed towards a 25% unemployment like the 1929 crash unless actions were taken. You have suggested taking the actions that would have made matters worse. Your ignorance + immaturity on the subject are the exact sort of characteristics that got us into the mess. All that you don't happen to agree with you call unconstitutional.
@knowledgemonger Attacking me doesn't change that your beliefs are based on supposition and conjecture, devoid of proof. I made no suggestions - simply pointed out verifiable FACTS that contradict the propaganda you buy. For a 'knowledgemonger' you do a good job ignoring knowledge and fact degrading into baseless personal attacks as a pitiful defense. Will you believe Hoover institute and Stanford economic professors? commentarymagazinedotcom/viewarticle.cfm/where-did-the-stimulus-go--15610
@dospesentas You have done nothing but make bogus claims including your one about there being no infrastructure in the stimulus bill. You have bought into a line of propaganda hook line and sinker that has no basis in reality.
@knowledgemonger What claim's 'bogus'? Every claim's verifiable. Unlike your 25% unemployment, saved the economy, money supply decrease, Republicans were the cause, etc. all opinion, speculation, conjecture or wrong. I never said NO infrastructure, declared it unconstitutional, suggested 'actions making matters worse' - words YOU dishonestly put in my mouth. You call ME ignorant, immature, incompetent; yet YOU have NO proof/facts and are the one buying the 'incompetents' propaganda!
@knowledgemonger Here's a little reality check for you. CBO: "there is no way to be certain about how the economy would have performed if the legislation had not been enacted, and data on its actual performance add only limited information about ARRA’s impact.” GAO: infrastructure spending thru 2011=$32B (out of $825B). BEFORE/AFTER ARRA: Unemployment (6.2/9.8%), national debt ($9/14T), deficit spending ($400b/1.4T), state budgets >10% in the red (9/38), foreclosures (240/930k).
@dospesentas You have done nothing but spew nonsense and make bogus claims. It really is a good thing that there were adults in the room when the wheels fell off. One 1929 style depression is quite enough. Go away with your propaganda
@knowledgemonger You have no supporting fact and no valid rebuttal for your claims, so you run down the other side with irrelevant attacks - very adult.
Nonsense? Bogus claims? A few posts ago you were extolling the credibility of the CBO. Now, when their latest report doesn't support your belief system, it's 'bogus nonsense'. I provide factual data from the CBO, GAO and Stanford economics professors - and you call it 'propaganda'. I guess that says it all. YOUR CREDIBILITY = 0
@dospesentas I agree with the CBOs statements but you take only those you agree with or selct out of context qualifiers to try to support your bogus claims. Using the edited words of someone is a well known method of propaganda. Go away and lie to someone else
@knowledgemonger Nothing's 'out of context' or 'edited' that's a cop out. Obviously I can't put the entire report in this limited space. Glad you agree with the CBO statement since it contradicts your claims. Now check out the GAO data/economic numbers which demonstrate a continuing problem. The numbers are not 'bogus' they're FACT and easily found on the net. Sorry they don't comport with your belief system. Do your research before name calling. I'm done, hopefully I got you to think.
@demsandlibssuck Alan, the house has called you back in session this week...
Now clean out your desk !!!! YOUR FIRED ~~~!!!!!!!!
America wants your political career to....DIE QUICKLY !!!!!
Hlaaah...Haaaaa.....haaa...Blahhh...Haaaa......political career to....DIE QUICKLY....Hlaaaa.....HAAAAA....... Pzsttttttttttttt...... PISS ON GRAYSON.
YAY!!! raise the taxes on the middle class so the poor people on welfare can get even more free stuff from the gov't, which is becoming america's nanny. there's a reason that the term "fiscal responsibility" exists...get a good job, and healthcare will be included. libs got so freaked out when bush expanded government control for the patriot act, and not only does obama keep the patriot act active, the government is getting even bigger!!!! hypocrisy at its finest.
@turmoil100 Since the health care bill saves money in the long run, it does not increase taxes on the middle class. Providing health care to the working poor will help many of them move up to the middle class.
The extreme poor already get free health care. Those a little above that point don't. This provides a counter incentive to anyone who is poor and has a child with health problems. There is no way they can risk starting business or working for a start up.
@knowledgemonger Dude are you ever sucked in - SAVES MONEY!? Perhaps if you steal half the cost from Medicare, count unverified billions from fraud detection, collect new 'Cadillac' excise taxes, use 10yrs of revenue to fund a 7yr program, fail to factor billions in state taxes for matching funds and expect huge revenue from forced insurance purchases/fines that are unconstitutional. HR3962 = SMOKE AND MIRROR HOUSE OF CARDS Go on believing the regime's propaganda like a good little sheeple.
@dospesentas The new health insurance regulations do save us money. Don't take my word from it. This is what the CBO says. We have the most inefficient method of paying for healthcare in the world. The overhead takes about 25% right off the top. Any good economist will tell you the same.
@knowledgemonger Got some great Arizona ocean front property to sell you. The CBO only factors what they're given (GIGO) and they were given a bunch of SMOKE AND MIRRORS. Sure, we can add patients with pre-existing conditions and 20 million new welfare recipients and SAVE MONEY - LOL! Ever ask yourself why Tricare, VA, Medicare, Medicaid and CHIP are still around? You're duped by the 'incompetents'. Might want to check the most recent CBO numbers and consider the recent court rulings.
@dospesentas The CBO numbers have always been the ones to trust. The others are way wrong. You don't seem to understand that the pre-existing condition issue costs us a lot of money and is a major burden on the economy. Insurance companies do it as a local optimization but it is a net global cost to the economy. It reduces the number of people willing to risk on startups and also causes very inefficient delivery of healthcare. The new rules do say money in the long run. It is a fact.
@knowledgemonger CBO acts on what they're given, Orszag and his bunch DON'T do contingencies or validation of the data (which was speculative). They used 'UNVERIFIED' fraud savings, taking $500b (half the plans cost!) from MEDICARE (which is sinking) and billions from insurance payments/fines contingent on a liberal interpretation of congress to 'regulate commerce'. Two judges struck down the latter and the supremes will likely follow suit. STOP SHILLING FOR THE INCOMPETENTS HOUSE OF CARDS
@dospesentas The CBO estimates have always turned out to be the more accurate ones. Yes they work with the data they are given but in this case as with the others, the data is good. This myth about the data is just nonsense cooked up by those who don't like the results of the looking at the data and seeing where it leads.
@knowledgemonger What part of $500b (HALF the cost) stolen from MEDICARE, billions in UNPROVEN fraud recovery, shifted reimbursement costs (the 'doc fix') and the now unconstitutional mandatory health insurance buy in/penalty revenue the program depended on don't you understand. The house of cards (built on promises, assumption and speculation) is crashing. Why didn't "comprehensive health reform" eliminate Tricare, VA, Medicare, Medicaid and CHIP - that deliver almost half our healthcare?
I love it. The Republicans, and the one's who represent the GOP. Keep talking, and sayiing stupid shit. Liz dumbass Cheney. This woman has a law degree. Wow. Ann Culter, Hannity, Quitter Palin recently about going to Canada for healthcare, Rush Racist for saying he will move to Costa Rica when reform passes. They have socialized medicine also. The list goes on. Thank you Barack for bringing back the Public Option, because you just won 61% of us Independent voters here in Nevada.
"The pretense in disputed elections is that the great conflict is between the two major parties. The reality is that there is a much bigger conflict that the two parties jointly wage against large numbers of Americans who are represented by neither party and against powerless millions around the world."
I would arue that many who claim to be Christian are actually worshiping the acts of Satan. There was this guy 2000 years ago who talked about healing the sick and feeding the hungry etc. He said that a camel would get through the eye of a needle easier than a rich man could get into heaven.
He did not say that the rich and powerful got that way because God liked them better, or that their wealth was Gods will. You will find people claiming to be Christian who make exactly those claims.
Like bringing good news to the poor? Proclaiming release to captives and the recovery of sight to the blind? Like letting the oppressed go free? Thats Jesus? Say it aint so! We know what they did to him. And if we support that stuff, the same will happen to us.
This little Jewish carpenter back then didn't even check to see if the person had good insurance before dealing with their health care problems. He also didn't like the fact that the bankers were making money in the church. I guess that there must have been powerful insurance and banker companies back then because he got nailed to a tree for his troubles.
Today we see richly appointed "churches" and people starving to death. So called "Christians" are in charge but we know better.
The status quo always resists justice with acts of crucifixion. Ive often said that if Christians read the book of Revelation for what it is a kingdom of God critique/manifesto against Romes imperial hegemony their blood would paint Americas streets.
@KeeperOfTheWord I guess this would be a good day to point out that a little jewish guy walking into a church and throwing the money changers out can get himself killed but in the process really change the world. Standing on one hilltop and speaking the truth does more good than all the finely furnished churches in the world.
@knowledgemonger What you describe is closer to the original idea of church. Then came 325 and Constantines Great Compromise. Weve been paying hell ever since. Im thankful that my church is less interested in furnishings than service; we run a food pantry, host community dinners, teach refugees English and help them become established. I wouldnt have it any other way!
Unfortunately the bill that will be voted on is far from the bill it should have been. The drug and insurance companies seem to have mostly won the fight. All the bill will do is cover many of the hard to insure. It won't break the grip the insurance companies have on the money flow. A real public option that was based on the actuarial facts would have. It would have force the insurance companies to get efficient.
The one good point is the pre-existing conditions rule. This will help.
Dummycrat, you certainly have lost some fuses in your brain. We all understand that truth hurts and boy it does hurts but why are you only talking about killing people you disagree with.
Millions of americans later found out that Bush and co were liars, sending many young americans to their deaths in Iraq BUT there's no talk of killing him.....
Use your mouth and get some new fuses into your brain.
What a couple of Whacko Marxist scumbags, spending our money. Where are the Lee Harvey Oswalds of the world when you need them, wicommunist tyrants like this in congress??
We're coming for you Allen. I am not sure when we will get there, but we will. We will destroy you like the freedom hating dog you are. Take you freedom destroying, wealth redistributionb healthcare and shove it up your Marxist A$s! You are a corrupt unconstitutional idiot. How does someone as stupid and piggish as you get elected?? Oh, I remember, Acorn! Go visit your pal Castro in your dream country of Cuba!
what an asshole...actually both of them are assholes. One sided view from the far left...( blame the other side) and hope their crap works, cant blame republicans yet for healthcare bill if it goes sour, and it kills them. political suicide when the bills start coming in and they have to come out and admit to the country they need to raise taxes to pay for the quagmire they put before us.
This guy can not prove that having healthcare would save 122 people everyday. Having healthcare doesn't change the fact that the healthcare that is available needs to be improved. So, the govt idea is to give everyone healthcare but who gives a damn if it is inadequate healthcare? Why to go govt! Fix the problems in healthcare FIRST before thinking about trying to cover everyone (which is not affordable by a country in debt)
Covering everyone in fact saves a lot of money. In the current situation, the uninsured use the emergency rooms which is the least efficient method of doing things and then the extra cost is cost shifted onto those who do have insurance.
This is why a single pill you could get at the drug store for pennies shows up as many dollars on the bill. Insuring everyone will reduce that cost significantly.
You are fooling yourself if you believe that covering everyone will lower costs- All GOVT ran programs are screwed up and need a major overhaul. This will just be another program that they can't run properly. They should work on lowering the cost of medical procedures and prescriptions, but it isn't the GOVTs job to ensure that everyone can afford coverage.
We have the examples of the many other countries that have tried the experiment. We also have studies done here in the US that show the cost shifting and the use of the emergency rooms.
I for one am not willing to suggest that americans are somehow dumber than all those other countries that have better health care at lower cost and cover everyone. The one surest method to lower the costs is to cover everyone.
The one thing we must not do it hire those who believe the job is impossible.
This Guy is quoting a study done by Harvard. The study proves that 122 Americans die every day from lack of proper medical care. Meaning that people that do not regularly see a doctor are more likely to die from heart attacks and other preventable causes. The yearly total stated in the study was 44,780. Americans would be outraged if a war was costing this many lives.
We do not naturally think very rationally about groups of people over about 20. Large numbers of people die every year from autos. This out weighs the number who die from airplane crashes but we worry more about aircraft.
This is a well known problem with human perception of risk. It is part of why lies like the claims about government death panels worked so well even though logically, we know that insurance companies build maximums into the policies and deny people care all the time.
To our thinking government run health insurance is a lot like aircraft. Private health insurance is like the car. Even though it is cheaper and safer to go across country by plane, somehow we don't feel that way when we let our emotions get in the way of the logic.
@kingachybraky It doesn't PROVE they die from lack of health care. Having health care coverage does not mean you will live from a disease. Having health care COVERAGE does not mean having GOOD HEALTHCARE. Coverage means nothing if the quality of care is shitty. What don't you get about that?
If you look at places that have a universal health insurance, such as Canada and France, you will find that there are better outcomes. These countries do not have government run health care. The providers are private but their payment is assured.
The folks who did the study know how to normalize their statistics. The 122 number can be trusted. We have examples in other countries to look at to see what works and what doesn't.
Please stick your head back into your rectum. That is exactly what this study "PROVES". Stupid runs deep in the republican party in America. I suppose you still need more proof that Bush lied, lied, and lied some more about Iraq. "Republican" has a new meaning, STUPID, PIG HEADED, RACIST.
Yeah, when you can't effectively prove a point or validate why you feel a certain way on an issue, it is easier to just start calling the opposing side names
You are correct there, bitch. The FACT that republicans in this country still blame Clinton for Iraq PROVES that Stupid is correct. The FACT that the republicans in this country are currently costing 122 lives per day results in the FACT that republicans are murders. The FACT that the republicans I talk to still back Bush PROVES the FACT that republicans are pig headed. The FACT is every one of them calls Obama "that fuckin' nigger" PROVES racism.
grayson is a fucking idiot , both parties are owned by corporate america , but of course he's on msnbc keith olbermann so the truth does not matter, both sides are dirty and that's a fact
What an idiot, it is such a good thing and needed to "save lives", and yet it does not begin for another 4 years?? WTF? Lets see, you begin to collect money now, but will not start this for another 4 years - why? If it is so important now and people are dying, why wait 4 years to begin? Thats right, because it costs 3 to 4 times what they are saying and they need 4 years worth of our tax money to get it lifted off the ground, before it instantly demands massive additional funding. You Lie!
Why did regular Olbermann guest, Democratic Rep. Anthony Weiner, state that Alan Grayson is; "One fry short of a Happy Meal"? Why didn't Olbermann ask Grayson how he felt about this? I'm guessing if he had asked him, Grayson's response would have been; "Mmm, Happy Meal, garrrgh"!!!
Yes you are. And then you do it again. Which again shows how weak your argument is. I've been for Socialized Health Care for 30 years. I was born before President(the elected kind) Obama.
All you do is insult and try to put words in mouth because you don't have an argument. Go ahead and do it again. Don't expect a response.
and before you scold me about how I'm a cold hearted bastard, I give plenty to charity, just stop taking my money at gunpoint okay. and no i dont watch fox, so please, don't bother me with that business
this argument really boils down to, SHOULD WE USE DEADLY FORE TO TAKE PEOPLE'S MONEY TO GIVE IT TO OTHER PEOPLE. deadly force, what's he talking about? i'd like to see you take my money, come try. I think you're goign to need the federal government on your side, and I'm sure they'll be happy to help. And if I decide to resist, I'm sure they'd blow me away as soon as I reach for a gun
This is completely true, and it's always been this way. The corporations have run the Republican Party through fear and blind patrioitism: just look back to the Gilded Age, WWI, the Cold War... hell, even now. It's pathetic. And notice how there is no Liberal version of Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin, Fox News... why is it that these idiots who run on lies and fear have such a large following, yet there is no liberal version of them?
You mean the type that want universal healthcare, and are against useless wars? Some people in this country actually value human life, but yeah, that's batshit crazy isn't it? Sorry but if you support a party that insurance companies have in their back pocket, you're the insane one.
DLCruise, Your assessment rings true in a dem/rep debate, but there's such a bizarre twist. President Obama isn't exactly abolishing corporations. He took over GM, fired the CEO, created a cash-for-clunkers program to help someone profit. Capitalism is looking different these days. And who takes blame if GM fails? (Now we're back to the missing job.)
no wonder no one watches msnbc. what a fucking joke. individuals who dont have insurance are 40% more likely to die than those that do. wow you have to take an awful lot for granted (or just be completely fucking retarted) to believe that horse shit. you know these two jerked each other off after the interview. olbermann is such a pussy, he never has anyone on his show that has an opinion/viewpoint different than his own.
Elnegroid...if you can't say anything nice about anybody then SHUT THE FUCK UP! God, you fucking ass hats make me sick. I don't see republicans bringing anything to the table so you need to shut your fucking pie hole,okay?
I'm no liberal - but really - don't act like Republicans don't regularly take millions from their corporate masters, too. Give up this stupid, dead republicrats versus dempublicans paradigm.
I know that Republicans get millions from corporations and lobbiests every year. That's nothing new. But in responce to the video where Grayson says that Republicans are a slave to corporations when the fact is that Democrats actually receive 3 times as much money as Republicans. Here is also one more fact. The house bill HR1207, Audit The Federal Reserve, if Republicans are so entranched with corps and banks, then why are all republicans in favor of auditing the fed but the dems are not?
mickeysears - I agree that Dems completely suck for not getting on board with HR1207. I will say that Repubs were slaves to corporations until the corporations decided the Dems would best serve them at this moment...but the Repubs have a tradition of serving their corporate masters well (just as the Dems are doing now.)
Why do conservatives always have to immediately resort to name calling and violent threats when they comment about every issue? It is such a turnoff and it makes me not even want to hear anything you say after that, please work on your social skills.
Because Conservatives don't know how to argue on the issues so they resort to name calling and threats...it's the last dying gasp of the GOP party. No really if the TRUE Republicans just separated themselves from the extreme right wing Conservative Party they would be taken more seriously.
The Republican Party is a Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Corporate America. And the Democrats aren't. BWAHAAHAAHA.....HAA
Who the hell believes this crap anymore, playing the people for fools. Left & Right there agendas are the same, there both controlled by bankers and corporate America. Oh please Grayson tell us another one with a straight face through your crooked one.
It's obvious the Right needs a Mental Health evaluation. After what they did to this country for the last eight years all they can offer is threats of violence. They are impotent and should be treated as such. The main obstacles to advancement on Social Issues is not the Republicans. It's the missing Leadership of Pres. Obama and the MisLeadership of Spkr Pelosi and Weak Kneed Reid. All the more reason to support the likes of Rep. Grayson.
Your Talking points are becoming dated. your have to change "Last 8 years" to "the 8 years prior to this last year of economic collapse". the Republicans were never the party of "social Issues" they were the party of " Fiscal Responsibility" of coarse that's until the Neocons took over.now there's no difference between the 2 parties.except maybe what Country we blow up or what Corporations we bail out or pass laws to protect. (all depends on what Corp. sponsors what party)
If you want to call my ideals "talking points" go ahead. I have firm beliefs that I've stood by since I became politically active 30 years ago and I'll continue to stand up for them whether you approve or not.
Trying to put words in my mouth just shows how weak your argument is. The NeoCons took over in January 1980. The same people who generated the War against the Nicaraguan people generated the "Wars" in Afghanistan and Iraq. The same people who dissolved the Banking and Loan protections are the same ones blocking any attempt at reform.
Not putting words in your mouth, Just pointing out your tunnel vision. Because Obama dangles that health care insurance over your head you are willing to blindly tow the donkey cart. you totally skip everything that happened in the past year & jump to the previous 8 years. OH BTW they were also the ones who wanted to put Restrictions on Fanny & Freddy to prevent something like this from happening, but again your tunnel vision gets in your way.
NO ONE, ZERO, NADA, NIL, NOBODY is dead from lack of "health care" as this simple party-propagandist claims.
This debate has never been about "health care" EVERYONE gets "health care". No emergency room in this country will turn you away!
This debate is about "Health Care COVERAGE"... or, to make it easier for mindless Grayson supporters to understand: "Dayum! who gonna pay for dis shit?"
Anyone who believes this guys lies are either too lazy or ignorant to think for themselves or are unwilling to check the facts for themselves. And as long as there are partisan hacks like Olbermann willing to sell his country down the river for political points, this problem will continue.
Political whores like this are the cause of so much discord...
All it takes is 5 minutes of fact checking on Google to see where the contributions come from -and to whom they go. Wall Street has CONSISTENTLY funded Democratic campaigns for decades!
Anyone remember the AIG bailout and bonus flap? To whom did they donate their money to?
#1. Barack Obama
#2.Chris Dodd - conveniently he is the one who "okayed" those multi-million dollar bonuses...
Law suits get blamed for the high cost of health care when in fact it really only adds either 0.5% or 3% depending on which study you take. The 3% study was done by the W admin when they wanted to get a tort reform bill put through.
They probably looked at the wrong things. It is hard to know what is unnecessary when evaluating the ordering of medical tests. however they are being performed ordered by physicians for defensive purposes.
In addition, good physicians leave practice prematurely, or limit their practices to limit exposure to bad outcomes and lawsuits.
Lastly, the cost of medical malpractice insurance has put an enormous burden on physicians. Few can afford the continued escalation.
When the Bush folks tried did their figures, they were trying to make them as high as they could because they were out to prove that the lawyers were the problem. They would have included every cost you can think of and some you can't.
The law suits are only a small part of the problem. A bigger part of the problem is the fact that a person who is injured must get all the money they will ever need to cover their future medical needs that result from the injury.
What is to be done about the enormous increase in medical malpractice premiums that good doctors must pay because of the enormous number of mostly frivolous malpractice cases generated by the lottery-like mentality created by the legal profession.
I am a strong supporter of health insurance reform, but as a physician I know the reality of the medical malpractice insurance problem. Many of my colleagues are stressed, and a number of them have left the profession. It is a real problem.
Not a hue amount is being done at this point except:
If injured folks didn't have to count on the proceeds from a law suit to pay the ongoing cost of health care, the insurance costs would be less too.
Unfortunately there are lots of ways that the or profit insurance companies are part of the problem. A person who is injured by a doctor has the classic "pre-existing condition".
Hopefully, something can be done about the malpractice problem more directly in the future.
He was not a malpractice attorney. Made his dough with IDT. He sued on behalf of whistleblowers in cases where war-profiteering corporations were stealing from the US in Iraq.
I do wish, however, that he would support medical malpractice reform. Despite his statements to the contrary, I am convinced that health care costs are driven upward by frivolous lawsuits and excessive awards for "pain and suffering?"
Yes he was basically a one man fraud squad against those who retaliated against the whistle blowers. The Bush admin. didn't join him in a single law suit. They helped to protect those who were ripping off the tax payers and putting the troop in danger.
The numbers just don't support the common conception that "pain and suffering" settlements are a big part of the problem. The outrages are extreme but rare. More commonly the injured party gets less than full compensation.
As a physician, I can tell you that the proliferation of malpractice suits has a profound affect on how we practice medicine and a major impact on our psychological and economic well being.
My wife, also a physician (extremely well respected in her difficult specialty) was tortured by having to fight a malpractice suit in which she was ultimately vindicated. She suffered two years and when it was over, the patient who sued wanted to return to her! She quit the profession in disgust.
sorry , I was scrolling down the page and I saw your post .
I also believe that the majority of Malpractice suits are fraudulent but I also believe that a if a physicain makes a mistake Which places a patients life in danger or that mistakes that leaves a disability , then Malpractice should be filed . Some of the reasons I've heard for malpractice lawsuits ARE ridiculous .
It is not that there are large awards being handed out every day...indeed, most who sue do not prevail. It is that there are so many suits presented and so many increases in malpractice insurance rates that it casts a pall over the practice of medicine.
We feel that we practice with the sword of Damocles dangling precariously over our heads. We worry that any bad outcome, whether or not we bear responsibilty for it, will lead to accusations and disruptive legal action. That clouds judgement.
Yes we need to fix the malpractice system but we need to do so without preventing the truly injured from being compensated. This is a very hard problem.
I therefore propose that along with the very necessary health insurance reform, that we also pass signficant medical malpractice reform, so that the two tortured parties in this health care mess - patients and doctors - be provided relief.
I agree that there needs to be malpractice reform. It would be very hard to get a law through that was any good however. The new law would have to provide free health care to the injured party or something so that the injured parties would be made whole as bast as can be done. This would bring screams of "socialism" and "new taxes" etc. It would be very hard to make it budget neutral.
Stop voting them in office would be a good start, Voting Corporate Shills out would help too. Campaign Reform would help get people who actually care about this country into office. one things for sure, when the parties are backing a candidate you have a 50% chance of getting a (D) Corporate Shill or a 50% chance of getting a (R) Corporate Shill, whoever wins there's 100% chance you'll end up with a Corporate Shill
This is a truely ignorant statement made by Grayson. He's just digging himself a hole now. If he said the majority, then I could agree. To say wholly is to put a person like Ron Paul in the mix. Everyone knows he sells out to know one.
Dems are owned by lawyers. Thats why they refuse TORT reform.
I kinda liked Grayson for a while until it became obvious he's just trying to get attention for his re-election campaign. Unfortunately he's only half right - both parties are controlled by corporate America. If you don't think so look at campaign contributions or just open your eyes. You don't have to be a scholar to understand that both parties sold us out a long time ago - hopefully people wake up and realize it and stop playing this false left/right paradigm that distracts us from reality.
get educated, bro. redneck. you probably fuck your own sister, maybe your mother, with the sounds of your attitude. did you play a part of the movie, Deliverance with Burt Reynolds? You were one of the hillbillies...
so do people of the middle class you arrogant son of a bitch. these people are the ones that are getting denied of because of pre existing conditions, asshole
In stead of just shouting what you hear on fox, why don't you take a second and step back into reality and look at what he is walking about. It is dimwitted Republicans like you who do not have an open mind and the ability to comprehend the task at hand. This is about health-care and about money that the Americans have being poured into a market where the coverage does not compare to any other place in the world because of how bad it is.
The republicans are who are robing the people by supporting the insurance companies who charge YOU more and pay the senators and congressmen that YOU support to decline anything form of health-care that comes their way which would in turn save the American people 1.2 trillion dollars over the next ten years if it passes...Yes it does take money to start the plan but look at how much was just poured into the defense sector, 600+ billion dollars for just this year alone, take a second and think...
Replace the word "Republican" with "Elected Official". ever wonder why They're not pushing for single payer? why are they keeping Insurance companies in the loop if they are corrupt? why not end the war & push a single payer system? they could say "We're using America's Money to save American Lives instead of Taking the lives of Arabs & our military". is chasing around a small group of "terrorists" worth more than your health? We all Know the Fed Res & Mil Ind Comp wont let this war end.
I'm not real happy w/ all the flamethrowing going on in American politics, but if the Dems should have learned anything in the last 16 years, it's that you sometimes have to fight fire w/ fire. Unless your opponents agree to exercise some decorum, it is useless to keep taking the high road. At this point, if they throw a rock at you, I say throw back a stick of dynamite. That seems to be the only thing that gets through to these insulated beltway types. Hit'em with a soundbite
I sure would like to see Grayson create a movement for cause...
ibelucky1 9 months ago
What I have seen so far is that both parties are owned by corporate America along with the media and the media is really bad the more they keep lying about the same stuff over and over again the easier it becomes believable to the public and this is how they sell their bullshit to the people that can't think for themselves.
s46d45m17 10 months ago
Meet Mr. 'Big Brother' - have your 'progressive' policies made society better or simply more dependent and complacent. I guess the facts speak for themselves - both these goober are FIRED! They are so smart they forgot the $14T debt and $1.4T deficit while on their healthcare spending spree. Good Riddance
dospesentas 11 months ago
Alan Grayson is too intelligent that's why he lost! That's a Fact! I welcome any refutations!
Slayerfan84 1 year ago
@Slayerfan84 Grayson opposed the power of corporations and took some who cheated the tax payers and put troops in danger to court and won. In a post "citizens united" world, the corporations could run as many ads as they wanted against him. He lost not because he was smart but because he dared to make enemies of the rich and powerful.
How is that for a refutation?
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
Bwahahahahah! The Socialist is gone. Buh Bye. Won't miss you and the destructive policies and interactions you pushed.
1Scrub1 1 year ago
Alan Grayson.....Your Fired!
Wardog687 1 year ago
@Wardog687 Alan Grayson lost because in this country, ONLY 25% of its citizens are college grads!
Slayerfan84 1 year ago
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@Slayerfan84 I repeat "Alan Grayson.....Your Fired!"
I dont know how much more clear i could be
Wardog687 1 year ago
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Alan, the house has called you back in session this week...
Now clean out your desk !!!! YOUR FIRED ~~~!!!!!!!!
America wants your political career to....DIE QUICKLY !!!!!
Hlaaah...Haaaaa.....haaa...Blahhh...Haaaa......political career to....DIE QUICKLY....Hlaaaa.....HAAAAA....... Pzsttttttttttttt...... PISS ON GRAYSON.
ASentinel2 1 year ago
Wow! I wonder if this jackass knows he is indeed a jackass. But the bigger morons are those who elected him. Keep those ratings up, Keith. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot. Your ratings are in the tank.
demsandlibssuck 1 year ago
@demsandlibssuck Wow I wonder if the idiots who pop in here to oppose Grayson understand just what idiots they are. They insult the voters who wisely elected the guy after looking at the alternative of voting for a republican. It is a never ending source of amazement to me that some people can still support republicans after the total mess they have made of things. I guess some people are just getting all their opinions from Faux News like little mindless sheep.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
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@knowledgemonger Alan, the house has called you back in session this week...
Now clean out your desk !!!! YOUR FIRED ~~~!!!!!!!!
America wants your political career to....DIE QUICKLY !!!!!
Hlaaah...Haaaaa.....haaa...Blahhh...Haaaa......political career to....DIE QUICKLY....Hlaaaa.....HAAAAA....... Pzsttttttttttttt...... PISS ON GRAYSON.
ASentinel2 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Uh, yes I totally agree the voters wisely elected the guy - but it wasn't 'Mr. Big Brother-Tax and Spend' Grayson - they dumped him after one term. Guess that's what happens when you have a small mind and big mouth you keep putting your foot into. Speaking of messes, take note: the 'incompetents' have managed to expand the national debt and deficits more in two years than the eight Bush was in office. Good work progressives, at this rate we'll be bankrupt in no time!
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas You are blaming Grayson and his sort for things that he had nothing to do with. It was the republican controlled years that ran the economy off a cliff. The 700 Billion needed to keep the who banking sector from failing was asked from by a Paulson a republican. The money supply was decreasing and we were heading to a 1929 style crash. The government had two options both were bad. One was to let it happen and doom a generation the other was to pump in money. They did right.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Research the "debt/deficit explosion" (from $9 TO 14T/$455b TO 1.4T) ALL ( but $25B unrecovered from TARP) from Grayson and his ilks schemes in TWO YEARS since Bush! AVOIDED A 1929 CRASH! That's pure, unsubstantiated, conjecture and we're not out of the woods yet. The 'incompetents' have managed to position us into dollar devaluation, hyperinflation, hyperdebt and a probable loss of the dollar as the global exchange currency. Pray the House can turn the ship from the rocks.
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas No the avoiding the crash is not conjecture. Go learn a little economics and then you will see just how big of a mess we were in when the wheels fell off the system. You will also discover that it really wasn't mortgages that was the problem. If you add up all the suspect mortgages the total is less than the size of the drop. There were huge amounts of paper in the system that were supported only by thin air.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger You can't prove the 'incompetents' spending spree did anything but postpone the inevitable. Your claim IS classic conjecture; the scope or root cause(s) of the problem are immaterial. Throwing borrowed money at 'pet' programs and temporary 'prop ups' isn't a long term solution - it's FOLLY by INCOMPETENTS - who clearly have YOU fooled. Grayson got canned when voters discovered who he really was; an egotistical, loudmouthed, caustic, partisan, incompetent . Truth hurts!
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas I can only tell you what econonics has to say on the subject. Proof the nature you want can't be done because we would need two planets with the same situation. I suddenly decreasing money supply is what we had. This is very big trouble for the economy. Lending just freezes up and the economy just crashes unless money is injected. It isn't very complicated to understand.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Decreasing money supply! Check the MB/M1 for the period - it's UP, perhaps you're confusing VELOCITY, despite the 'incompetents' spending spree, it continues below baseline. You're buying into the 'incompetents' UNPROVABLE propaganda. Each passing day demonstrates the 'incompetents' did NOTHING but blow a lot of borrowed money (which we have to pay back at some point WITH INTEREST - did you forget?) to stall the inevitable. Wake up and smell the local gov's budget crisis.
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas The decrease was real and short termed. You won't see it in things like M1 money supply but you did see it in the abrupt stop to basically all lending. You seem to have bought into a story line put out by a bunch of no-nothings and those who made the mess in the first place. It is a good thing there were some adults in the room when it happened. Your theories would have landed us in great depression #2. It would have been worse than 1929 because people are more interdependent
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger There's been NO baseline decrease in the MB/M1 since 7/07. You confuse supply with velocity - the utilization rate which correlates to lending. You and the 'incompetents' have zero facts to support your claims, only conjecture and delusional self back patting . Too bad the ADULTS in the room didn't speak up. All the money went to fund a bunch of pork, leaving states holding the bag. No infrastructure and unemployment blew by the promised 8% ceiling. SMOKE AND MIRRORS
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas It really is a good thing that there were adults in the room when the wheels fell off. Your sort would have landed us in another 1929 or worse. Unemployment was heading for 25% like happened in 1929. Politicians didn't admit how big the problems was. Now folks who want to make political points at any cost to the nation make lots of bogus claims about it. You say no infrastructure was done but every day I drive home on some that was done. I have watched the ribbons cut.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger My sort? Those who don't buy the 'incompetents' propaganda and act based on FACT, not assumption/speculation. Do you understand monetary vs fiscal policy? INFRASTRUCTURE LOL!! <5% of the ARRA went to infrastructure. Look at the housing #s, the unemployment #s, the quantitative easing, interest rates, the debt, the deficits. You're in denial - they tossed out pork, sinking state budgets, racked up debt and postponed the problem with a band-aid. INCOMPETENT EXPERIMENTERS
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas Yes, your sort. You are the exact sort of incompetent and ignorant person who would have send the economy straight into a 1929 style disaster. You believe lots of complete BS about the situation that we faced and how to survive it. You have bought into the same nonsense ideas that created the mess in the first place. It is really a good thing that there were adults in the room when the wheels fell off.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Actually I'm the one NOT believing and attacking me doesn't validate the 'incompetents' unsubstantiated propaganda. You're in denial (or ignorant) of unemployment, housing, increased debt, deficit spending and the local government budget crisis. Nothing's resolved, only postponed with BORROWED money. Save your 'mission accomplished' banner. Is believing something that can't be demonstrated and is only conjecture ADULT? You still believe in the Easter bunny and Santa too?
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas You claimed there were no infrastructure projects when I drive on one every day and see the ribbon cuttings. You simply don't understand that we were headed towards a 25% unemployment like the 1929 crash unless actions were taken. You have suggested taking the actions that would have made matters worse. Your ignorance + immaturity on the subject are the exact sort of characteristics that got us into the mess. All that you don't happen to agree with you call unconstitutional.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Attacking me doesn't change that your beliefs are based on supposition and conjecture, devoid of proof. I made no suggestions - simply pointed out verifiable FACTS that contradict the propaganda you buy. For a 'knowledgemonger' you do a good job ignoring knowledge and fact degrading into baseless personal attacks as a pitiful defense. Will you believe Hoover institute and Stanford economic professors? commentarymagazinedotcom/viewarticle.cfm/where-did-the-stimulus-go--15610
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas You have done nothing but make bogus claims including your one about there being no infrastructure in the stimulus bill. You have bought into a line of propaganda hook line and sinker that has no basis in reality.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger What claim's 'bogus'? Every claim's verifiable. Unlike your 25% unemployment, saved the economy, money supply decrease, Republicans were the cause, etc. all opinion, speculation, conjecture or wrong. I never said NO infrastructure, declared it unconstitutional, suggested 'actions making matters worse' - words YOU dishonestly put in my mouth. You call ME ignorant, immature, incompetent; yet YOU have NO proof/facts and are the one buying the 'incompetents' propaganda!
dospesentas 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Here's a little reality check for you. CBO: "there is no way to be certain about how the economy would have performed if the legislation had not been enacted, and data on its actual performance add only limited information about ARRA’s impact.” GAO: infrastructure spending thru 2011=$32B (out of $825B). BEFORE/AFTER ARRA: Unemployment (6.2/9.8%), national debt ($9/14T), deficit spending ($400b/1.4T), state budgets >10% in the red (9/38), foreclosures (240/930k).
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas You have done nothing but spew nonsense and make bogus claims. It really is a good thing that there were adults in the room when the wheels fell off. One 1929 style depression is quite enough. Go away with your propaganda
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger You have no supporting fact and no valid rebuttal for your claims, so you run down the other side with irrelevant attacks - very adult.
Nonsense? Bogus claims? A few posts ago you were extolling the credibility of the CBO. Now, when their latest report doesn't support your belief system, it's 'bogus nonsense'. I provide factual data from the CBO, GAO and Stanford economics professors - and you call it 'propaganda'. I guess that says it all. YOUR CREDIBILITY = 0
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas I agree with the CBOs statements but you take only those you agree with or selct out of context qualifiers to try to support your bogus claims. Using the edited words of someone is a well known method of propaganda. Go away and lie to someone else
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Nothing's 'out of context' or 'edited' that's a cop out. Obviously I can't put the entire report in this limited space. Glad you agree with the CBO statement since it contradicts your claims. Now check out the GAO data/economic numbers which demonstrate a continuing problem. The numbers are not 'bogus' they're FACT and easily found on the net. Sorry they don't comport with your belief system. Do your research before name calling. I'm done, hopefully I got you to think.
dospesentas 11 months ago
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@demsandlibssuck Alan, the house has called you back in session this week...
Now clean out your desk !!!! YOUR FIRED ~~~!!!!!!!!
America wants your political career to....DIE QUICKLY !!!!!
Hlaaah...Haaaaa.....haaa...Blahhh...Haaaa......political career to....DIE QUICKLY....Hlaaaa.....HAAAAA....... Pzsttttttttttttt...... PISS ON GRAYSON.
ASentinel2 1 year ago
Anybody that likes this guy is fucking idiot.
dukeljk 1 year ago
@dukeljk (1) Stop the foul language (2) You are the idiot here
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
YAY!!! raise the taxes on the middle class so the poor people on welfare can get even more free stuff from the gov't, which is becoming america's nanny. there's a reason that the term "fiscal responsibility" exists...get a good job, and healthcare will be included. libs got so freaked out when bush expanded government control for the patriot act, and not only does obama keep the patriot act active, the government is getting even bigger!!!! hypocrisy at its finest.
turmoil100 1 year ago
@turmoil100 Since the health care bill saves money in the long run, it does not increase taxes on the middle class. Providing health care to the working poor will help many of them move up to the middle class.
The extreme poor already get free health care. Those a little above that point don't. This provides a counter incentive to anyone who is poor and has a child with health problems. There is no way they can risk starting business or working for a start up.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger Dude are you ever sucked in - SAVES MONEY!? Perhaps if you steal half the cost from Medicare, count unverified billions from fraud detection, collect new 'Cadillac' excise taxes, use 10yrs of revenue to fund a 7yr program, fail to factor billions in state taxes for matching funds and expect huge revenue from forced insurance purchases/fines that are unconstitutional. HR3962 = SMOKE AND MIRROR HOUSE OF CARDS Go on believing the regime's propaganda like a good little sheeple.
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas The new health insurance regulations do save us money. Don't take my word from it. This is what the CBO says. We have the most inefficient method of paying for healthcare in the world. The overhead takes about 25% right off the top. Any good economist will tell you the same.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger Got some great Arizona ocean front property to sell you. The CBO only factors what they're given (GIGO) and they were given a bunch of SMOKE AND MIRRORS. Sure, we can add patients with pre-existing conditions and 20 million new welfare recipients and SAVE MONEY - LOL! Ever ask yourself why Tricare, VA, Medicare, Medicaid and CHIP are still around? You're duped by the 'incompetents'. Might want to check the most recent CBO numbers and consider the recent court rulings.
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas The CBO numbers have always been the ones to trust. The others are way wrong. You don't seem to understand that the pre-existing condition issue costs us a lot of money and is a major burden on the economy. Insurance companies do it as a local optimization but it is a net global cost to the economy. It reduces the number of people willing to risk on startups and also causes very inefficient delivery of healthcare. The new rules do say money in the long run. It is a fact.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger CBO acts on what they're given, Orszag and his bunch DON'T do contingencies or validation of the data (which was speculative). They used 'UNVERIFIED' fraud savings, taking $500b (half the plans cost!) from MEDICARE (which is sinking) and billions from insurance payments/fines contingent on a liberal interpretation of congress to 'regulate commerce'. Two judges struck down the latter and the supremes will likely follow suit. STOP SHILLING FOR THE INCOMPETENTS HOUSE OF CARDS
dospesentas 11 months ago
@dospesentas The CBO estimates have always turned out to be the more accurate ones. Yes they work with the data they are given but in this case as with the others, the data is good. This myth about the data is just nonsense cooked up by those who don't like the results of the looking at the data and seeing where it leads.
knowledgemonger 11 months ago
@knowledgemonger What part of $500b (HALF the cost) stolen from MEDICARE, billions in UNPROVEN fraud recovery, shifted reimbursement costs (the 'doc fix') and the now unconstitutional mandatory health insurance buy in/penalty revenue the program depended on don't you understand. The house of cards (built on promises, assumption and speculation) is crashing. Why didn't "comprehensive health reform" eliminate Tricare, VA, Medicare, Medicaid and CHIP - that deliver almost half our healthcare?
dospesentas 11 months ago
I like this Alan Grayson chap. He seems like a sharp fella.
Primordialfan1 1 year ago
Grayson for senator in Florida!!!!!!!
HUMANTORCH38 1 year ago 5
I love it. The Republicans, and the one's who represent the GOP. Keep talking, and sayiing stupid shit. Liz dumbass Cheney. This woman has a law degree. Wow. Ann Culter, Hannity, Quitter Palin recently about going to Canada for healthcare, Rush Racist for saying he will move to Costa Rica when reform passes. They have socialized medicine also. The list goes on. Thank you Barack for bringing back the Public Option, because you just won 61% of us Independent voters here in Nevada.
WilliamHCarney 1 year ago 12
... and the Democrats aren't... Give me a f'in break.
anyandeverything 1 year ago
"The pretense in disputed elections is that the great conflict is between the two major parties. The reality is that there is a much bigger conflict that the two parties jointly wage against large numbers of Americans who are represented by neither party and against powerless millions around the world."
— Howard Zinn
anyandeverything 1 year ago
Go Grayson! He the man! Grayson 2016!
ReadmanJ 1 year ago 11
We have great health insurance until one of us gets sick or injured. Then you need a lawyer to get what you have actually paid for already.
Anyone that still believes our health care system is the best has not had to use it.
Anyone still supporting Bush Inc. has no morals.
Anyone against healthcare insurance reform is a murderer, pure and simple. If the truth hurts, change it.
Republichristians should form their own political party and show their true colors. Brown was a good start.
kingachybraky 2 years ago 7
I would arue that many who claim to be Christian are actually worshiping the acts of Satan. There was this guy 2000 years ago who talked about healing the sick and feeding the hungry etc. He said that a camel would get through the eye of a needle easier than a rich man could get into heaven.
He did not say that the rich and powerful got that way because God liked them better, or that their wealth was Gods will. You will find people claiming to be Christian who make exactly those claims.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
You mean Jesus?
Like bringing good news to the poor? Proclaiming release to captives and the recovery of sight to the blind? Like letting the oppressed go free? Thats Jesus? Say it aint so! We know what they did to him. And if we support that stuff, the same will happen to us.
And for the same reasons.
KeeperOfTheWord 2 years ago 3
This little Jewish carpenter back then didn't even check to see if the person had good insurance before dealing with their health care problems. He also didn't like the fact that the bankers were making money in the church. I guess that there must have been powerful insurance and banker companies back then because he got nailed to a tree for his troubles.
Today we see richly appointed "churches" and people starving to death. So called "Christians" are in charge but we know better.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
The status quo always resists justice with acts of crucifixion. Ive often said that if Christians read the book of Revelation for what it is a kingdom of God critique/manifesto against Romes imperial hegemony their blood would paint Americas streets.
KeeperOfTheWord 2 years ago
@KeeperOfTheWord I guess this would be a good day to point out that a little jewish guy walking into a church and throwing the money changers out can get himself killed but in the process really change the world. Standing on one hilltop and speaking the truth does more good than all the finely furnished churches in the world.
knowledgemonger 1 year ago
@knowledgemonger What you describe is closer to the original idea of church. Then came 325 and Constantines Great Compromise. Weve been paying hell ever since. Im thankful that my church is less interested in furnishings than service; we run a food pantry, host community dinners, teach refugees English and help them become established. I wouldnt have it any other way!
KeeperOfTheWord 1 year ago
Unfortunately the bill that will be voted on is far from the bill it should have been. The drug and insurance companies seem to have mostly won the fight. All the bill will do is cover many of the hard to insure. It won't break the grip the insurance companies have on the money flow. A real public option that was based on the actuarial facts would have. It would have force the insurance companies to get efficient.
The one good point is the pre-existing conditions rule. This will help.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
Dummycrat, you certainly have lost some fuses in your brain. We all understand that truth hurts and boy it does hurts but why are you only talking about killing people you disagree with.
Millions of americans later found out that Bush and co were liars, sending many young americans to their deaths in Iraq BUT there's no talk of killing him.....
Use your mouth and get some new fuses into your brain.
knockiiing 2 years ago 2
Allen, can I give you a pamphlet about ending your life? Put the rest of us out of our misery you corrupt dirtbag!
dummycrat 2 years ago
What a couple of Whacko Marxist scumbags, spending our money. Where are the Lee Harvey Oswalds of the world when you need them, wicommunist tyrants like this in congress??
dummycrat 2 years ago
We're coming for you Allen. I am not sure when we will get there, but we will. We will destroy you like the freedom hating dog you are. Take you freedom destroying, wealth redistributionb healthcare and shove it up your Marxist A$s! You are a corrupt unconstitutional idiot. How does someone as stupid and piggish as you get elected?? Oh, I remember, Acorn! Go visit your pal Castro in your dream country of Cuba!
dummycrat 2 years ago
what an asshole...actually both of them are assholes. One sided view from the far left...( blame the other side) and hope their crap works, cant blame republicans yet for healthcare bill if it goes sour, and it kills them. political suicide when the bills start coming in and they have to come out and admit to the country they need to raise taxes to pay for the quagmire they put before us.
custardpie40 2 years ago
This guy can not prove that having healthcare would save 122 people everyday. Having healthcare doesn't change the fact that the healthcare that is available needs to be improved. So, the govt idea is to give everyone healthcare but who gives a damn if it is inadequate healthcare? Why to go govt! Fix the problems in healthcare FIRST before thinking about trying to cover everyone (which is not affordable by a country in debt)
EricaJo78 2 years ago
Covering everyone in fact saves a lot of money. In the current situation, the uninsured use the emergency rooms which is the least efficient method of doing things and then the extra cost is cost shifted onto those who do have insurance.
This is why a single pill you could get at the drug store for pennies shows up as many dollars on the bill. Insuring everyone will reduce that cost significantly.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
You are fooling yourself if you believe that covering everyone will lower costs- All GOVT ran programs are screwed up and need a major overhaul. This will just be another program that they can't run properly. They should work on lowering the cost of medical procedures and prescriptions, but it isn't the GOVTs job to ensure that everyone can afford coverage.
EricaJo78 2 years ago
We have the examples of the many other countries that have tried the experiment. We also have studies done here in the US that show the cost shifting and the use of the emergency rooms.
I for one am not willing to suggest that americans are somehow dumber than all those other countries that have better health care at lower cost and cover everyone. The one surest method to lower the costs is to cover everyone.
The one thing we must not do it hire those who believe the job is impossible.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
This Guy is quoting a study done by Harvard. The study proves that 122 Americans die every day from lack of proper medical care. Meaning that people that do not regularly see a doctor are more likely to die from heart attacks and other preventable causes. The yearly total stated in the study was 44,780. Americans would be outraged if a war was costing this many lives.
kingachybraky 2 years ago
We do not naturally think very rationally about groups of people over about 20. Large numbers of people die every year from autos. This out weighs the number who die from airplane crashes but we worry more about aircraft.
This is a well known problem with human perception of risk. It is part of why lies like the claims about government death panels worked so well even though logically, we know that insurance companies build maximums into the policies and deny people care all the time.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
To our thinking government run health insurance is a lot like aircraft. Private health insurance is like the car. Even though it is cheaper and safer to go across country by plane, somehow we don't feel that way when we let our emotions get in the way of the logic.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
@kingachybraky It doesn't PROVE they die from lack of health care. Having health care coverage does not mean you will live from a disease. Having health care COVERAGE does not mean having GOOD HEALTHCARE. Coverage means nothing if the quality of care is shitty. What don't you get about that?
EricaJo78 2 years ago
If you look at places that have a universal health insurance, such as Canada and France, you will find that there are better outcomes. These countries do not have government run health care. The providers are private but their payment is assured.
The folks who did the study know how to normalize their statistics. The 122 number can be trusted. We have examples in other countries to look at to see what works and what doesn't.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
Please stick your head back into your rectum. That is exactly what this study "PROVES". Stupid runs deep in the republican party in America. I suppose you still need more proof that Bush lied, lied, and lied some more about Iraq. "Republican" has a new meaning, STUPID, PIG HEADED, RACIST.
kingachybraky 2 years ago
Yeah, when you can't effectively prove a point or validate why you feel a certain way on an issue, it is easier to just start calling the opposing side names
EricaJo78 2 years ago
You are correct there, bitch. The FACT that republicans in this country still blame Clinton for Iraq PROVES that Stupid is correct. The FACT that the republicans in this country are currently costing 122 lives per day results in the FACT that republicans are murders. The FACT that the republicans I talk to still back Bush PROVES the FACT that republicans are pig headed. The FACT is every one of them calls Obama "that fuckin' nigger" PROVES racism.
Makes it easy to give them honest names.
kingachybraky 2 years ago
grayson is a fucking idiot , both parties are owned by corporate america , but of course he's on msnbc keith olbermann so the truth does not matter, both sides are dirty and that's a fact
cocobear33 2 years ago
What an idiot, it is such a good thing and needed to "save lives", and yet it does not begin for another 4 years?? WTF? Lets see, you begin to collect money now, but will not start this for another 4 years - why? If it is so important now and people are dying, why wait 4 years to begin? Thats right, because it costs 3 to 4 times what they are saying and they need 4 years worth of our tax money to get it lifted off the ground, before it instantly demands massive additional funding. You Lie!
armyofonerd 2 years ago
Why did regular Olbermann guest, Democratic Rep. Anthony Weiner, state that Alan Grayson is; "One fry short of a Happy Meal"? Why didn't Olbermann ask Grayson how he felt about this? I'm guessing if he had asked him, Grayson's response would have been; "Mmm, Happy Meal, garrrgh"!!!
NickCave13 2 years ago
Yes you are. And then you do it again. Which again shows how weak your argument is. I've been for Socialized Health Care for 30 years. I was born before President(the elected kind) Obama.
All you do is insult and try to put words in mouth because you don't have an argument. Go ahead and do it again. Don't expect a response.
Peacetoyouandyours 2 years ago
and before you scold me about how I'm a cold hearted bastard, I give plenty to charity, just stop taking my money at gunpoint okay. and no i dont watch fox, so please, don't bother me with that business
collapseofthedollar 2 years ago
this argument really boils down to, SHOULD WE USE DEADLY FORE TO TAKE PEOPLE'S MONEY TO GIVE IT TO OTHER PEOPLE. deadly force, what's he talking about? i'd like to see you take my money, come try. I think you're goign to need the federal government on your side, and I'm sure they'll be happy to help. And if I decide to resist, I'm sure they'd blow me away as soon as I reach for a gun
collapseofthedollar 2 years ago
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Crayzyson and Olberwoman, a DUALITY OF DORKS !!!
NickCave13 2 years ago
duality of radical pinkos
collapseofthedollar 2 years ago
This is completely true, and it's always been this way. The corporations have run the Republican Party through fear and blind patrioitism: just look back to the Gilded Age, WWI, the Cold War... hell, even now. It's pathetic. And notice how there is no Liberal version of Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin, Fox News... why is it that these idiots who run on lies and fear have such a large following, yet there is no liberal version of them?
nevar00 2 years ago 3
Liberals, "I HATE Corporate America...we must do away with them!"
Obama abolishes Corporations.
Liberals, "where did my job go!???"
*facepalm*
DLCruise 2 years ago
Too bad Obama's not a liberal and liberals don't want to do away with corporate america.
Shrimp4074 2 years ago 2
Obama IS a Liberal.
He's just not the batshit crazy left-wing Liberal than many on the fringe Left want him to be....but he's damn close.
DLCruise 2 years ago
You mean the type that want universal healthcare, and are against useless wars? Some people in this country actually value human life, but yeah, that's batshit crazy isn't it? Sorry but if you support a party that insurance companies have in their back pocket, you're the insane one.
Shrimp4074 2 years ago 2
Obama abolishes corporations? They're more powerful than ever.
GOP and Dems - 2 factions of the same business party.
rotcafarg 2 years ago
DLCruise, Your assessment rings true in a dem/rep debate, but there's such a bizarre twist. President Obama isn't exactly abolishing corporations. He took over GM, fired the CEO, created a cash-for-clunkers program to help someone profit. Capitalism is looking different these days. And who takes blame if GM fails? (Now we're back to the missing job.)
ACourtRep 2 years ago
And the Obama administration is completely bank owned.
MaxLibertas 2 years ago
no wonder no one watches msnbc. what a fucking joke. individuals who dont have insurance are 40% more likely to die than those that do. wow you have to take an awful lot for granted (or just be completely fucking retarted) to believe that horse shit. you know these two jerked each other off after the interview. olbermann is such a pussy, he never has anyone on his show that has an opinion/viewpoint different than his own.
elnegroid 2 years ago
Elnegroid...if you can't say anything nice about anybody then SHUT THE FUCK UP! God, you fucking ass hats make me sick. I don't see republicans bringing anything to the table so you need to shut your fucking pie hole,okay?
morph39 2 years ago
Hmmm,
Name the three biggest recipients of AIG campaign money.
1. Chris Dodd
2. Barney Frank
3. Barak Obama
All Democrats.
mickeysears 2 years ago 2
Right...and what website did you get that off of...FAUX FUCKING NEWS?
morph39 2 years ago
I'm no liberal - but really - don't act like Republicans don't regularly take millions from their corporate masters, too. Give up this stupid, dead republicrats versus dempublicans paradigm.
bnfox 2 years ago
I know that Republicans get millions from corporations and lobbiests every year. That's nothing new. But in responce to the video where Grayson says that Republicans are a slave to corporations when the fact is that Democrats actually receive 3 times as much money as Republicans. Here is also one more fact. The house bill HR1207, Audit The Federal Reserve, if Republicans are so entranched with corps and banks, then why are all republicans in favor of auditing the fed but the dems are not?
mickeysears 2 years ago 3
mickeysears - I agree that Dems completely suck for not getting on board with HR1207. I will say that Repubs were slaves to corporations until the corporations decided the Dems would best serve them at this moment...but the Repubs have a tradition of serving their corporate masters well (just as the Dems are doing now.)
bnfox 2 years ago
because they couldnt get their pet projects out like that as it would be made avaliable to the public and things would happen
davidesposito1 2 years ago
He always says something followed by, "Look." God damned fucking politicians always do that.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
The R and the D are all Corporate bitch's jest ask Obama and ,GE,SCIU,and the banks that pay to play in the white house on your tax money!!!
killergames187 2 years ago
he's 40% more likely to die? I though everybody was a 100% likely to die. LOL
he probably meant die earlier, but this is the second time I have heard him make that mistake.
alokamei 2 years ago
Why do conservatives always have to immediately resort to name calling and violent threats when they comment about every issue? It is such a turnoff and it makes me not even want to hear anything you say after that, please work on your social skills.
SuperEric39 2 years ago 2
Because Conservatives don't know how to argue on the issues so they resort to name calling and threats...it's the last dying gasp of the GOP party. No really if the TRUE Republicans just separated themselves from the extreme right wing Conservative Party they would be taken more seriously.
morph39 2 years ago
seems to me that new jersey and virginia are taking "them" pretty seriously.
elnegroid 2 years ago
*laughs*
I've seen this before. 2010 is going to be a very awful year for you.
ROPdude 2 years ago
its so simple.
Just work for it.
society is perfect, just work for it.
lol
jarmtx 2 years ago
The Republican Party is a Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Corporate America. And the Democrats aren't. BWAHAAHAAHA.....HAA
Who the hell believes this crap anymore, playing the people for fools. Left & Right there agendas are the same, there both controlled by bankers and corporate America. Oh please Grayson tell us another one with a straight face through your crooked one.
evoval 2 years ago
It's obvious the Right needs a Mental Health evaluation. After what they did to this country for the last eight years all they can offer is threats of violence. They are impotent and should be treated as such. The main obstacles to advancement on Social Issues is not the Republicans. It's the missing Leadership of Pres. Obama and the MisLeadership of Spkr Pelosi and Weak Kneed Reid. All the more reason to support the likes of Rep. Grayson.
Peace.
Peacetoyouandyours 2 years ago
Your Talking points are becoming dated. your have to change "Last 8 years" to "the 8 years prior to this last year of economic collapse". the Republicans were never the party of "social Issues" they were the party of " Fiscal Responsibility" of coarse that's until the Neocons took over.now there's no difference between the 2 parties.except maybe what Country we blow up or what Corporations we bail out or pass laws to protect. (all depends on what Corp. sponsors what party)
davidpark68 2 years ago
The only thing that "Changed" was who's robbing us
davidpark68 2 years ago
If you want to call my ideals "talking points" go ahead. I have firm beliefs that I've stood by since I became politically active 30 years ago and I'll continue to stand up for them whether you approve or not.
Peace.
Peacetoyouandyours 2 years ago
Trying to put words in my mouth just shows how weak your argument is. The NeoCons took over in January 1980. The same people who generated the War against the Nicaraguan people generated the "Wars" in Afghanistan and Iraq. The same people who dissolved the Banking and Loan protections are the same ones blocking any attempt at reform.
Peace.
Peacetoyouandyours 2 years ago
Not putting words in your mouth, Just pointing out your tunnel vision. Because Obama dangles that health care insurance over your head you are willing to blindly tow the donkey cart. you totally skip everything that happened in the past year & jump to the previous 8 years. OH BTW they were also the ones who wanted to put Restrictions on Fanny & Freddy to prevent something like this from happening, but again your tunnel vision gets in your way.
davidpark68 2 years ago
NO ONE, ZERO, NADA, NIL, NOBODY is dead from lack of "health care" as this simple party-propagandist claims.
This debate has never been about "health care" EVERYONE gets "health care". No emergency room in this country will turn you away!
This debate is about "Health Care COVERAGE"... or, to make it easier for mindless Grayson supporters to understand: "Dayum! who gonna pay for dis shit?"
mistertea1776 2 years ago
the emergency room is gonna pay for dat shit.
whats the difference? hospitals (with emergency rooms!!) already pay the bill for "emergency room healthcare" who funds the hospitals??
jarmtx 2 years ago
Anyone who believes this guys lies are either too lazy or ignorant to think for themselves or are unwilling to check the facts for themselves. And as long as there are partisan hacks like Olbermann willing to sell his country down the river for political points, this problem will continue.
mistertea1776 2 years ago
This guy is a liar and a joke...
Political whores like this are the cause of so much discord...
All it takes is 5 minutes of fact checking on Google to see where the contributions come from -and to whom they go. Wall Street has CONSISTENTLY funded Democratic campaigns for decades!
Anyone remember the AIG bailout and bonus flap? To whom did they donate their money to?
#1. Barack Obama
#2.Chris Dodd - conveniently he is the one who "okayed" those multi-million dollar bonuses...
mistertea1776 2 years ago
No he really isn't a joke.
the guy worked his way through Harvard and is pretty much a self made millionaire. He doesn't need money, so do your research.
jaybird321 2 years ago
Self-Made Millionaire... as an ambulance chaser... Sensible ideas like tort-reform are like kryptonite to this cat.
mistertea1776 2 years ago
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kelsbackonyoutub 2 years ago
Law suits get blamed for the high cost of health care when in fact it really only adds either 0.5% or 3% depending on which study you take. The 3% study was done by the W admin when they wanted to get a tort reform bill put through.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago 2
They probably looked at the wrong things. It is hard to know what is unnecessary when evaluating the ordering of medical tests. however they are being performed ordered by physicians for defensive purposes.
In addition, good physicians leave practice prematurely, or limit their practices to limit exposure to bad outcomes and lawsuits.
Lastly, the cost of medical malpractice insurance has put an enormous burden on physicians. Few can afford the continued escalation.
amsquare 2 years ago
When the Bush folks tried did their figures, they were trying to make them as high as they could because they were out to prove that the lawyers were the problem. They would have included every cost you can think of and some you can't.
The law suits are only a small part of the problem. A bigger part of the problem is the fact that a person who is injured must get all the money they will ever need to cover their future medical needs that result from the injury.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
What is to be done about the enormous increase in medical malpractice premiums that good doctors must pay because of the enormous number of mostly frivolous malpractice cases generated by the lottery-like mentality created by the legal profession.
I am a strong supporter of health insurance reform, but as a physician I know the reality of the medical malpractice insurance problem. Many of my colleagues are stressed, and a number of them have left the profession. It is a real problem.
amsquare 2 years ago
Not a hue amount is being done at this point except:
If injured folks didn't have to count on the proceeds from a law suit to pay the ongoing cost of health care, the insurance costs would be less too.
Unfortunately there are lots of ways that the or profit insurance companies are part of the problem. A person who is injured by a doctor has the classic "pre-existing condition".
Hopefully, something can be done about the malpractice problem more directly in the future.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
He was not a malpractice attorney. Made his dough with IDT. He sued on behalf of whistleblowers in cases where war-profiteering corporations were stealing from the US in Iraq.
I do wish, however, that he would support medical malpractice reform. Despite his statements to the contrary, I am convinced that health care costs are driven upward by frivolous lawsuits and excessive awards for "pain and suffering?"
amsquare 2 years ago
Yes he was basically a one man fraud squad against those who retaliated against the whistle blowers. The Bush admin. didn't join him in a single law suit. They helped to protect those who were ripping off the tax payers and putting the troop in danger.
The numbers just don't support the common conception that "pain and suffering" settlements are a big part of the problem. The outrages are extreme but rare. More commonly the injured party gets less than full compensation.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
As a physician, I can tell you that the proliferation of malpractice suits has a profound affect on how we practice medicine and a major impact on our psychological and economic well being.
My wife, also a physician (extremely well respected in her difficult specialty) was tortured by having to fight a malpractice suit in which she was ultimately vindicated. She suffered two years and when it was over, the patient who sued wanted to return to her! She quit the profession in disgust.
amsquare 2 years ago
sorry , I was scrolling down the page and I saw your post .
I also believe that the majority of Malpractice suits are fraudulent but I also believe that a if a physicain makes a mistake Which places a patients life in danger or that mistakes that leaves a disability , then Malpractice should be filed . Some of the reasons I've heard for malpractice lawsuits ARE ridiculous .
Hangtime96 2 years ago
It is not that there are large awards being handed out every day...indeed, most who sue do not prevail. It is that there are so many suits presented and so many increases in malpractice insurance rates that it casts a pall over the practice of medicine.
We feel that we practice with the sword of Damocles dangling precariously over our heads. We worry that any bad outcome, whether or not we bear responsibilty for it, will lead to accusations and disruptive legal action. That clouds judgement.
amsquare 2 years ago
Yes we need to fix the malpractice system but we need to do so without preventing the truly injured from being compensated. This is a very hard problem.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
I therefore propose that along with the very necessary health insurance reform, that we also pass signficant medical malpractice reform, so that the two tortured parties in this health care mess - patients and doctors - be provided relief.
amsquare 2 years ago 2
I agree that there needs to be malpractice reform. It would be very hard to get a law through that was any good however. The new law would have to provide free health care to the injured party or something so that the injured parties would be made whole as bast as can be done. This would bring screams of "socialism" and "new taxes" etc. It would be very hard to make it budget neutral.
knowledgemonger 2 years ago
ok so both parties are comprised enirely of people who are no different from cheney or blagojevich . . .
whats your solution?
jarmtx 2 years ago
Stop voting them in office would be a good start, Voting Corporate Shills out would help too. Campaign Reform would help get people who actually care about this country into office. one things for sure, when the parties are backing a candidate you have a 50% chance of getting a (D) Corporate Shill or a 50% chance of getting a (R) Corporate Shill, whoever wins there's 100% chance you'll end up with a Corporate Shill
davidpark68 2 years ago
hey fart face..... i wil go to sleep talk to you later =p
alterego624 2 years ago
Does your shit stink... How do you sit on the toilet seat????
alterego624 2 years ago
it takes one idiot to know another idiot.. :))) does your shit stink????
alterego624 2 years ago
I want to bore you some more, sweetie.. :))) I am coming down to your level. :))))
alterego624 2 years ago
come on asshole i am waiting for you. this is boring to me but i need something to do...... :)))
wateryskipper 2 years ago
please, comment more to me. i have nothing to do. you are an asshole as much as me. maybe you are more so.....
wateryskipper 2 years ago
i hope i bore you some more. right now i have nothing to do
wateryskipper 2 years ago
This is a truely ignorant statement made by Grayson. He's just digging himself a hole now. If he said the majority, then I could agree. To say wholly is to put a person like Ron Paul in the mix. Everyone knows he sells out to know one.
Dems are owned by lawyers. Thats why they refuse TORT reform.
st4ticblu3 2 years ago 2
really? lawyers??
name a lobbyist group funded by lawyers that has any control over washington.
by your logic more than half of our FED is owned by lawyers. which type of lawyer? all of them?? you know there are different types of lawyers, right?
jarmtx 2 years ago
I kinda liked Grayson for a while until it became obvious he's just trying to get attention for his re-election campaign. Unfortunately he's only half right - both parties are controlled by corporate America. If you don't think so look at campaign contributions or just open your eyes. You don't have to be a scholar to understand that both parties sold us out a long time ago - hopefully people wake up and realize it and stop playing this false left/right paradigm that distracts us from reality.
jwinter228 2 years ago 3
jwinter228 - amen! Easily the most astute comment on here.
bnfox 2 years ago
you didn't pass the third grade cause of your retardation
wateryskipper 2 years ago
yessss, i am so upset by a braindamaged asshole that will fuck his mothe =( /tear
wateryskipper 2 years ago
you are a redneck..your liver is deteriorating
wateryskipper 2 years ago
get educated, bro. redneck. you probably fuck your own sister, maybe your mother, with the sounds of your attitude. did you play a part of the movie, Deliverance with Burt Reynolds? You were one of the hillbillies...
wateryskipper 2 years ago
Niggers & Rednecks, Haven't we been here before?
Just keep em' separated, or is that segregated?
davidpark68 2 years ago
so do people of the middle class you arrogant son of a bitch. these people are the ones that are getting denied of because of pre existing conditions, asshole
wateryskipper 2 years ago
"wholly owned subsidiary...."
"live if it passes, die if it doesn't..."
"stop lying...."
Great job, Sir.
mozkrew211 2 years ago
Both sides of the isle are pitiful
H0VEN 2 years ago
Alan Grayson is an asswipe who wants to rob Americans of their money. The dumb fucks who voted for this scumbag deserves to lose everything they own.
aimeechrister 2 years ago
In stead of just shouting what you hear on fox, why don't you take a second and step back into reality and look at what he is walking about. It is dimwitted Republicans like you who do not have an open mind and the ability to comprehend the task at hand. This is about health-care and about money that the Americans have being poured into a market where the coverage does not compare to any other place in the world because of how bad it is.
jacobk11215 2 years ago
The republicans are who are robing the people by supporting the insurance companies who charge YOU more and pay the senators and congressmen that YOU support to decline anything form of health-care that comes their way which would in turn save the American people 1.2 trillion dollars over the next ten years if it passes...Yes it does take money to start the plan but look at how much was just poured into the defense sector, 600+ billion dollars for just this year alone, take a second and think...
jacobk11215 2 years ago
Replace the word "Republican" with "Elected Official". ever wonder why They're not pushing for single payer? why are they keeping Insurance companies in the loop if they are corrupt? why not end the war & push a single payer system? they could say "We're using America's Money to save American Lives instead of Taking the lives of Arabs & our military". is chasing around a small group of "terrorists" worth more than your health? We all Know the Fed Res & Mil Ind Comp wont let this war end.
davidpark68 2 years ago
I'm not real happy w/ all the flamethrowing going on in American politics, but if the Dems should have learned anything in the last 16 years, it's that you sometimes have to fight fire w/ fire. Unless your opponents agree to exercise some decorum, it is useless to keep taking the high road. At this point, if they throw a rock at you, I say throw back a stick of dynamite. That seems to be the only thing that gets through to these insulated beltway types. Hit'em with a soundbite
stealth63 2 years ago
do you have health insurance? if you do then shut the fuck up......
wateryskipper 2 years ago
He's saying what we're all thinking!
MisterGaffney 2 years ago
impeach obama get grayson instead and fu to all the Nazis out there
inbal66 2 years ago
Grayson / Pelosi 2016
jessie74 2 years ago
We desperately need a few more like Grayson!
DillonX 2 years ago 4
yes, we need more like Grayson
wateryskipper 2 years ago