The "warp field' is an energy field projected around the ship that, essentially, creates a 'pocket universe' wherein the laws of physics and the flow of time are constant and unchanging. This is backed by two episodes of TNG: Where Beverly falls into an experimental warp field and is encased in her own 'pocket reality' and when the Enterprise assists a downed romulan ship and a feedback (created by an alien fetus) from a power transfer overloads the field generators and fractures space/time.
so basicly, a star ship moving in space.... it has distorted space around it, causing something like air friction, when in warp, a warp bubble emits and there is no friction on the bubble, the ship moves faster with less friction thus, the ship travels faster and its called warp speed... am i wrong?
The negative repercussions of warp have long been written out of the series. A restriction on warp speed was mentioned once and then everyone went back to jetting around at warp 9.
@Duotwk IIRC, warp 9 was left for emergencies only, the implication being that regular freight and transport traffic was mostly restricted to warp... was it 4? Or 5?
@Duotwk If you're referring to the episode of TNG that I think you are, I thought it was just that particular region of space where they had to restrict their speed to warp 5(?). I could just be remembering it incorrectly, of course.
I'm sure this has been stated already, but I'm putting off work and bored. Theoretical warp drives would not actually experience time dilation since they themselves are not moving in space, space is actually moving around a bubble of space. Also, you could "move" faster than the speed of light without violating Einsteinian laws due to this fact. This is HIGHLY theoretical, however a paper published by a Mexican physicist showed that it is actually possible. Maybe. Like 2 billion years from now.
@joesteelcomics Thank you Joe for bringing up time dilation(or the lack thereof)! I'm glad someone brought it up: Warp Travel IRL would mimic the OPPOSITE of what we see in the series:
An example. Lets say you can create a Warp bubble but can only find a way to propel your ship 1 mile faster than the speed of light. To the pilot, a 7lyr trip would still take ~7 years to him, since time is RELATIVELY constant. but from an observer, you would seem to just teleport right there!
i think you SORTA got it..... i'm guessing you just really wanted to use your Voyager animation to illustrate the warp theory (it probably got more viewers just now than the entire series did) but if you wan to keep it simple, just stretch a rubber band between two of your fingers. Make a mark on it to represent the ship. Stretch the band behind the "ship" mark to symbolize the warp field expanding the space behind the ship. (maybe check with Hawking first) :p
You really have to factor (sorry) higher dimensions into any warp theory. I've always understood warp travel to be leaving our 3 dimensions and traveling in a 4th (or higher) dimension. This allows a ship, while still sublight, to travel relativistically faster than light, and depending on the curvature of space, substantially faster.
Bottom line, even with "bubbles", you're not traveling though our 3 dimensions faster than light. No matter what you do, the energy will never be there.
But what if you can break the waves up just before the leave the bubble , wouldnt that fill the holes and self repair the empty space ? Kinda of like making a bubble that vibrates.
I once read that in Star Trek, the warp bubble actually moves the ship into subspace (between space) and essentially makes the ship 'lighter' so you have the equal amount of power with a lighter ship
yea i read that too... Something along the lines of "to achieve a higher warp factor, they "pull more of the ship into subspace". Thus making it lighter to counter the increased mass. Which takes more power the deeper you go. Don't remember exactly. I would have to find the tech manual i had but, no clue as to where that is at.
@zer0dahero YOU forgot to mention the Alcubierre drive, a starship propulsion system that is theoreticaly possible under the current understanding of physics. turn off the computer and stop hatin' on trekkies.
@zer0dahero they said the same about wireless communication, the earth orbiting the sun.electricity.... also warp drive has been theoretically proven using the alcubierre drive
In an interview, Patrick Stewart (Capt. Picard) related how the writers had explaned to him the general concepts of warp-drive, adding "Of course, nobody actually knows how to make it work, yet". He told them "Nonsense! All you have to do is say...ENGAGE!!".. 8)..
@jykozak To use Warp theory to get a girlfriend, you need to warp to a future where personalized female sex-bots are alright, or to a Star Trek Convention.
@dhaval271 Did you even watch this video? One of the primary benefits of warp travel is the elimination of any time dilation effects. Your advice to use warp technology to facilitate time travel is both shabby and misguided, sir. On the other hand, your advice about hitting up a Star Trek Convention is a good one. But I don't need a starship for that. My '89 Corolla should get me there just fine.
The theory is sound. However, there is no known way yet to generate such a field. And doesn't creating a warp bubble risk creating a space-time rupture, since you're cutting a hole in space-time?
what if the bubble were to be made of space, but the space around said bubble was compressed in front of the bubble and expanded behind it, but was still connected to the bubble, but the space in the bubble was not morphed.
i could be wrong. if so, im starting to believe in my own bull shit
You forget to include the negative repercussions of warp travel, as stated in the series: the warp bubble "pushing" the space away causes it to tear. Leaving "broken space" in its wake. (imagine the water behind a boat) Over time, it makes warp in the area impossible...A bad thing, of course, for heavy traffic areas/trade routes.
@1blackone you mean: The warp fields of conventional warp engines caused damage to the fabric of spacetime, eventually causing subspace to extrude into normal space, creating phenomena such as subspace rifts. In order to slow the rate of damage, the Federation Council shared their findings with all known warp-capable species in 2370 and imposed a speed limit of warp factor 5 on all Federation vessels in all but extreme emergencies. - source: Memory Alpha
@1phoe1 Yes, i also could've used a few five-dollar words and cited an unofficial wiki page. But, considering the limited format, i decided to just explain it as plainly as possible. Essentially, i followed the Einstein quote, "If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough", with a little "Brevity is the essence of wit." sprinkled on top. So...should i provide footnotes and a work cited page? Or is this a damned youtube vid? =)
@1blackone technically though this is incorrect. The lines do not bend outwards as it showed otherwise there would be friction from compressing space the otherway. the only way to travel at high velocities without friction is to use a warp field that cancels out only the amount of mass contained by the ship. meaning the lines would pass through the ship and would not be altered at all.
@1blackone meaning that if the lines are drawn toward you you are altering space and causing drag, however if the field did what he showed you would actually be able to travel faster but have the opposite effect, and your gravitational field would repell you from objects meaning your ship would have to use more energy again to push through space with gravity nearby. not as much but still more than if your ship did not alter space at all. Thus it is better if the gravity flux lines stay straight.
@BIGDTFC What you are posing is what they call Quantum Slip-Stream. Its the next logical step. If the lines in the diagram represent space-time, a warp bubble "rubs" against those lines and still encountering universal rules. Namely, scalable exponential friction. Thereby imposing a 2nd "speed limit" on warp.
Quantum Slip-Stream, however, subverts it by tunneling BETWEEN the lines, a complete bypass. It literally "slips" between the lines of space/time on a quantum level, get it?
@1blackone thats not exactly what im saying, im saying in his video he shows the lines being bent, that exerts friction and a force on the ship, technically to do what the ship does in the tv show it would have to cancle out its presence in space not bend the lines the other way. but yes your slip stream explanation is correct, however borderlines on wormhole theory, meaning your not traveling fast at all you move a large distance even going slowly, and by definition
@1blackone slipstream requires what i am saying to function, at least theoretically you must have a gravity drive capable of reducing the mass of the ship till the slipstream lines are ( gravity flux lines) are flat. that is the step i am talking about. bending the lines would give you negative gravity. so again the only way for this to function is for the flux lines to remain flat and not curve at all
@davydekemp Hey Davvy, at this point, its important to remember we're talking about-at best-fringe theoretical physics, at worst, psuedo-science conjecture: all events are essentially occurring on the Planck scale(5 million times smaller than an atom more energetic than most supernovae, more massive than black holes!)
That said, there's actually real life studies going on hoping to analyze what occurs at the point of a space-time rupture in a vacuum. look up*UK ghost particle laser*
@1blackone Complete nonsense. No observable (let alone reproducible) physical phenomenon supports the idea that space can be torn, or even warped. Time and space, if even the two are even related to each other as relativity would suggest, either is, or is not (a singularity) where matter/time cannot exist. A black hole is an example of a singularity, and only gravity keep them from eating the universe.
This is all theoretical, we don't understand the universe, and probably never will.
@TheLackofattack Please, read all the comments, more specifically, the one I wrote to davvy no more than 2 hours before your post stating just that.
Another thing of note. Do you know how big boys and girls join a discussion? They don't try to forcefully inject themselves into it with an instantly adversarial tone. They merely write their perspective in a respectful manner. Read your comment and ask yourself: did it REALLY need the "Complete Nonsense" bit? Does it help at all?
@1blackone Yes, nonsense. Conjecture without a actionable, reliable, REPEATABLE method of test is a philosophic discussion and is not science, not even theoretical. The planck scale is surmised set of units provided the uncertainty principle holds true. Its impossible to evaluate this stuff, as those energies are incapable to be produced.
@TheLackofattack Sigh...maybe you just couldn't find it? All of this I SAID well before your first post, so ill just quote it.
"Hey Davvy, at this point, its important to remember we're talking about-at best-fringe theoretical physics, at worst, psuedo-science conjecture: all events are essentially occurring on the Planck scale(5 million times smaller than an atom more energetic than most supernovae, more massive than black holes!)"
@1blackone You're talking theoretical numbers about a theory about reconciling gen. relativity and quantum physics which requires another unproven theory (string) about the gravity interactions on the planck scale! These are issues many have spent entire lives failing to understand let alone PROVE! No-one actually even made a truly solid connection to space and time! Time could be an illusion with no physical meaning.
we don't understand the universe, and probably never will. At least we try.
@1blackone I'm pretty sure this was just a retcon so the writers of TNG could use an episode to address the issues of global warming and depletion of the ozone layer, by proxy.
@1blackone But what if the bubble is connected to that space, but the space in the bubble was not warped but the space outside of it was. for example, anyone inside the bubble would see everything outside of the bubble fly swiftly by, but everything in the bubble moving as if its normal, while outside the bubble, it looks as if the ship flies by along with the stuff in the bubble
@Baronstone with Asymetric Warpfields, a warp field created by the nacelles, by firing the coils in the nacelles such that the extending fields created by the single coils keep pushing on each other and are driven towards the aft end of the ship.
You're at position A. You want to go to B. Imagine these places are on each side of a paper. What this kind of warp does is that is bends the paper and just "jump" from A to B in one move.
@Srjl that's the jump drive as used in event horizon, and probably a version used in galactica as well.... travelling from point to point in no time by making a "conduit" between the two points as shown in andromeda only you had to physically navigate that one.
@1phoe1 well how i understand it, you are going outside of physics as we know it, you are effectively folding space so that point a and b are actually the same, so as they are the same transition between two is effectively done in no time. the trek idea is clearly linked to hydrodynamics as the "bubble" is akin to the same effects speedboats use by creating a layer of air to travel in thus negating the drag of the water.
@1phoe1 add to that the way it was explained in Andromeda as an alternative where they used a gravity compensator to drop the ship weight down to half a kilo and then used it's massive thrust for manouvering thus cheating inertia, and then relying on "slipstream" which was a drive that effectively let the ship travel through a maze of strings at stupid velocity to get to it's destination.
@thepretenda Well now thats the golden egg isnt it. The theory is all fine and dandy, but until someone comes up with the math to make it possible without requiring the energy output of a star. Well, until then its just sci fi
@thepretenda Well now thats the golden egg isnt it. The theory is all fine and dandy, but until someone comes up with the math to make it possible without requiring the energy output of a star. Well, until then its just sci fi
According to General Relativity, time is a dimension of space. According to special relativity, time slows down for an object as it accelerates. This last postulate has actually been demonstrated using atomic clocks on jets.
i was told once that warp travel or whatever you feel comfortable calling it is like being on a piece of paper when you actavate the "warp" so to speak you fold the paper in half in a way( the paper is like the universal plane type thing ) and only move a little then unfold the paper(exiting "warp") and ending up far away when you really only moved a little ways....sorry if im wrong, this subject is so easily misunderstood.
Sorry my friend your understanding is wrong, warp is achieved y contracting the space time in front and expanding at the back of the ship the case that happen at the time of big-bang when the universe spread faster than light :)
@ankitecian Exactly. It is proven that while matter can't move faster than light, SPACE itself can. The ship is simply going along for the ride in the space warp bubble.
@Zebonka Physics allows it on theory, but the energy required is too "big_huge_large_not_yet_in_our_hands_to_say_at_least". To be able to do that you'd need the power of the so called matter-antimatter annihilation. Antimatter is very very very hard to produce and even harder to store (for now).
Yeah - from what I've been led to believe (and this might be very layman of me) it's like the transporter in terms of energy requirements - way, way out there.
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I am trying to make an animation for you-tube to better explain my theory. The second video is less than 2 minutes long and is the best explanation.The 1st video is why and how I came up with theory. Any suggestions on how to make - set up the animation process well be greatly appreciated.
I don't think that this video correctly demonstrates what warp speed is supposed to do. As far as I thought I knew, the theory was that the warp engines acted like 0:30 in this video, but at higher energies.
The video is correct a theoretical warp engine does not create worm holes, which would be folding space time to bring the distance between two points closer. The discontinuation from the bubble allows time to function inside the bubble and for the ships relative movement to have minimal effect on space time outside the bubble.
I thought warp was when they bent space so that the distance between two points becomes smaller. It would be like putting two dots on a piece of paper (spaced far apart) and then bending the paper so the dots are close together. The paper would represent space being warped and the dots would be you travel distance if one dot was your ship and the other dot was your destination.
You forgot the fact that the only problem in that the world is currently having trying to generate that is that once we make that warp bubble the heat inside gets much, much, much, hotter than the core of the sun, so until we can bypass that difficulty we can't warp.
WORSE VIDEO ON WARP EVER ! A warp engine is suppose to bend space not create a bubble to avoid space. A warp engine causes space to move instead of the ship. This video is soooo wrong. Also, how the hell does the ship exist if it's inside a "space-less" bubble? Is it a "space-less" ship?
Hard to believe how much bad science is in this video and in the comments. In regard to the video: warp drive does not allow a ship to "avoid" space, or the principles of special relativity.
Basically, star trek engines work like this: there are two drives, impulse and warp. Impulse is pretty much rocketry as we understand it. Warp drive is different, it warps spacetime so that space, rather than the ship, is what moves. Check out Alcubierre if you want to learn more.
@jordanesmith111 Impulse is almost rocketry. plus its using warpfield, to "take" the ship's mass into subspace. That means less mass, more acceleration and speed. In star trek there is a max speed limit, to avoid time dilation. Warp engine creating asymetric warpfields around the ship and "takes" it into subspace (not completly).
To be true, ST has the best tech to solve the lightspeed limit and ST was not created in this days so may sound outdated for many ppl.
@1phoe1 Partially correct. Warp 1 is light speed. and as new technology developed in ST higher warp factors were attainable to the federation maximum of 10, which is only a limit due to technology and a major health concern as a result. Impulse can reach light speed but the dilation was to be avoided due to many reasons concerning time. Since warp has shown many temporal effects including time travel. a Warp field distorts space time. EgadsNo below explains it better. ^_^
it's not true that the ship will become heavier and the time starts to slow down. that's only with FTL drive. in warp drive the ship isn't moving, so it cannot become havier
But I read somewhere that said, you need the existence of space for atom to have mass... so by having no space within the warp-bubble, the ship will simply vaporize, or dissipate
I forget what it was exactly, but a physicist did use general relativity to basically come with the equations needed to create a warp effect. So it is possible, but of course it is out of our reach at the moment.
absolute bollocks that whole video..... you've basically just described the theory of flight. In order for there to be a resistance there needs to be a moving atmosphere or gravity field. Space iis a vaccum with obstacles in it.
@tracksfortroops: With all due respect, space is nothing more than a regular expansion with resistances in it, much like an atmosphere, BUT just much further away in comparison. At the speed of light, even the stretches of this space will create resistances that'll keep it from reaching the speed of light, and the waste of energy explained.
Space is still filled with stuff. These things are just much farther away.
@tracksfortroops Space is 70% Dark Matter, far from the nothingness "vaccum" [sic] you present it to be. And it's been empirically proved through satellite experimentation that the Mass of an Object does exert a distortion / resistance effect on the Space around it. Principle (not Theory) of Flight is different from Warp Theory in that you only need to lessen the Pressure on one side of an aerofoil while maintaining Laminar Flow by increased Velocity to achieve Lift.
So by this description, the ship is generating its own space bubble to slip between the space it's traveling through. Meaning, that the ship and its occupants are existing in a separate space-time continuum and theoretically could have it's own laws of physics. If not tuned probably the occupants of the ship could turn into a soupy mush or vaporize into a gas.
Doesn't address the question that if you beat a light beam to wherever it was going then you move backwards in time in respect to whatever point you were headed too - an alien ship going at multi-light speed towards our planet; from perhaps many hundreds of light years away will end up several hundred years back in our past.
@IO23777 I think you're mistaken. I can partly see what leads you to think that, but actual light has nothing to do with time.. Light is just a kind of particles / electromagnetic energy. Outpacing it must have absolutely no effect on time, just as outpacing any other kind of particle has.
@IO23777 For example if we were watching the beginnings of an intelligent race on a distant planet through some hypothetical telescope, a starship could already be headed to us from the planet, if it were travelling faster than light.
@IO23777 If the alien ship started towards us from a planet 1000 light years away because they have remotely detected the life here the way it looks at precisely this moment, then even if their transport were instantaneous, they would arrive 1000 years from the moment they saw, by which time we might not even be here anymore.
@Iguana93 Thank you for taking the time to write your three points - all of which I fear are incorrect - the speed of light is a CONSTANT - Mass, Energy, Space and Time are all VARIABLES and can all assume differing values in respect of the Speed of Light. No form of information can be conveyed anywhere at a speed in excess of light particles or waves. This simultaneous 'NOW' that you assume that we and any hypothetical Aliens many thousands of light years away share simply does not exist!
@IO23777 Ok, I'm not a scientist so I'm not going to argue.. But I think that humanity as a species is far from being able to say what does and does not exist. Folding of space is a theory too be it unproven, but just the fact that nobody has ever seen anything get from one place to another faster than light doesn't prove it is not possible and that it's not happening around us all the time without us noticing..
@Iguana93 You may be correct. But if what you say is right then Einstein and every other physicist since is wrong and we live in a very different universe to the one we think we live in. I don't discount this as a possibility since prior to Einstein all the Physicists were indeed wrong, but proving it will take a much grander theory than exists now.
@IO23777 Only time will tell.. :) But warp is a nice theory to dream about to be sure. Then again this society should concern itself with many problems much more pressing than interstellar travel - trying to make the environment of this planet sustainable, not try to run away from here. Thanks for the chat.. ;)
You already exist at the speed of light, you're just splitting that velocity between time and space, duh. The more of your velocity you expend in space the less you expend in time. Warp Speed is unnecessary, and silly. By going fast enough you can go anywhere in the galaxy anyway without aging much.
And when Voyager goes to warp, She re positions her nacelles!
The warp field doesn't look like that though. It's depicted in the ST:TNG Technical Manual as having a shortened frontal lobe and an extended aft lobe, and the field narrows significantly near the center of the vessel.
What happens to this theory when you take an arrow to the knee? (I can't believe I just wrote that, someone need to slap me, and slap me hard. A "thumbs up" is the equivalent of a slap. Any takers?)
time itself resides throughout all 11 dimensions. from 4th and down it's linear but 5 n up it's nonlinear. Meaning if something could travel through the 5th dimension one could travel instantly to any place. warp space isn't really a reduction of spaccetime around oneself just the linear spacetime. Space and time is a constant throughout 11 dimensions but are percieved differently. if we had a 12 dimension universe there would be 2 dimensions to time.
"Warp" isn't a velocity, it's an acceleration - like gravity. But the method of propulsion of warp speed is much more basic than Star Trek makes it out to be.
Think of a space vehicle, composed mainly of metal... now think of that ship projecting a ~magnetic~ field ahead of the ship. So the magnetic field creates a force pulling (or attracts) the ship towards that magnetic field. But the source of the field (the ship) accelerates relative to the ships velocity and thus warp speed is limited.
all good so far -- but at subwarp speeds, the imbalance of compression/expansion of space-time before & after the ship is what induces it to shift location -- so what is the motive force once the ship enters the warp bubble? The warp bubble has no mass in normal space-time, & hence can accelerate with much less motive force to drive it -- but do the ship's engines compress/expand space-time OUTSIDE the warp bubble? How can the ship enter a sequestered dimension & still pull itself along?
Are you trying to defend that 'Psydeo-Science' Uncle Albert pimped off in 1905 called GENERAL/SPECIAL RELATIVITY? The man couldn't make CHANGE? You give him 1000 DeutscheMarks note, order six pastrami on sour dough bread and six on Rye (hold the Mayo) and a baker's dozen of Chimay Ale---TRY, just TRY to get the orders/change right!!! When it came to making change, Albert 'wasn't an Einstein'. Also Neutrinos have been PROVEN to exceed the speed of light!!! So what does that say about his SWAG
So if the ship is in a warp bubble, and bends space around it. Does that mean that the ship can travel through things such as Suns, Planets, other ships etc without taking damage, or damaging them? If a ship warped through me, would i notice?
wait. if space-time is moving around the ship and it is not existing in space-time itself, how does the ship even exist without any space to exist in?
@CozmicCinema thats what i was wondering to be precise. Warp is like a mystery for me, more like a magic. Im not against warp theory, but i just dont get it. its fun actually to know more :D
Most of people here don't have any idea what they are talking about. They are repeating fine words - they have heard - like parrots. Space - time, Gravity, Wormholes, Warp drives, mumum. We are not getting out of this solar system very soon or even this planet. These nerds can't tie their shoes without a help and get out from the door away from their precious computer. Nearest black hole is in their ass. Stop dreaming and start driving.
As I understand it, when traveling at warp you are not in normal space. the idea is that nothing can go faster then light IN NORMAL SPACE, so you have to kind of side step normal space to get past that. You "warp" space and time so that you can do FTL travel but you will still get to go home and see your kids, not your great grand kids, right be4 they die of of old age. hyperspace kinda works the same way but is even faster. The wormhole on DS9 is hyperspace travel I think
@Strefanasha And nice warp-drive light-effect looks cool too. Most of people doesn't understand even basic physical principles, its easy to feed them anything that sounds like science but is pure fantasy. Warp scale has changed several times during Star Trek serie, if I'm correct. I don't think the future technology is going to look anything like in Star Trek/Wars.
Warp engines at this point seem more feasible at this point than say an FTL. If CERN was correct and they found both the higgs Boson and that nuetrinos can move faster than light, it would be more likely that the warping of space time would occur, than straight ftl. The problem with warp however is Time displacement, and the relative time gap between those on ships, and those in Normal space/time
@collguyjoe99 Those findings ( if confirmed ) doesn't make warp drive any closer. They don't give solutions even the basic problems of FTL, like how the space-time is bend ,other way than collecting enormous mass around the spaceship. Time displacement is not technical problem and not even the issue for the dedicated crew. Sending whole family or even whole nation is much easier than FTL-travel. Stopping human aging process by gene-technology and make them capable for hibernating even more.
@Strefanasha Then how do you explain the fact that the gravitational force of a black hole is so strong that even light particles get sucked in? If nothing can accellerate beyond light speed, how can this occur unless the force of gravity somehow is able to outpace escaping light particles?
@Strefanasha Theory is theory. Folding space is a form of warp theory, what is kind of what happens when you create the warp bubble and move 'between' space as I understand it.
@Strefanasha Actually, If the universe can exist is an area outside of it self then so can any object that manifests from it. So if we are in the universe? then where is the universe? When you figure that out then you will understand that you can make space/time bubble around you.
@Strefanasha The more people look into the issue of the speed of light being the ultimate speed limit, the more people realize that they don't actually know enough to say for certain. I believe there are several credible scientist out there with theories on particles that do travel faster than light as well as some with theories on how to get around relativity and so on.
THUMBS UP IF YOU AGREE; YOU CAN'T MAKE TIME BEND AROUND YOU, NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF FUCKING SCI-FI IT IS!!!
1sidsquid 8 hours ago
The "warp field' is an energy field projected around the ship that, essentially, creates a 'pocket universe' wherein the laws of physics and the flow of time are constant and unchanging. This is backed by two episodes of TNG: Where Beverly falls into an experimental warp field and is encased in her own 'pocket reality' and when the Enterprise assists a downed romulan ship and a feedback (created by an alien fetus) from a power transfer overloads the field generators and fractures space/time.
thenewBMW 22 hours ago
so basicly, a star ship moving in space.... it has distorted space around it, causing something like air friction, when in warp, a warp bubble emits and there is no friction on the bubble, the ship moves faster with less friction thus, the ship travels faster and its called warp speed... am i wrong?
TheAaron404 2 days ago
So if something had a negative gravitational pull, it could exceed the speed of light?
EODsplosion 2 days ago
and what is it that is left when you take space out of it? Can there be an emptier space? could the ship even exist outside of spacetime?
omgtkseth 2 days ago
The negative repercussions of warp have long been written out of the series. A restriction on warp speed was mentioned once and then everyone went back to jetting around at warp 9.
Duotwk 4 days ago
@Duotwk IIRC, warp 9 was left for emergencies only, the implication being that regular freight and transport traffic was mostly restricted to warp... was it 4? Or 5?
dryoholungfish 3 days ago
@Duotwk If you're referring to the episode of TNG that I think you are, I thought it was just that particular region of space where they had to restrict their speed to warp 5(?). I could just be remembering it incorrectly, of course.
RatedRLilStar 3 days ago
like if you find it weird that star trek ships use warp bubbles, but at warp they're constantly being fired upon...
jjlohsna 4 days ago
I'm sure this has been stated already, but I'm putting off work and bored. Theoretical warp drives would not actually experience time dilation since they themselves are not moving in space, space is actually moving around a bubble of space. Also, you could "move" faster than the speed of light without violating Einsteinian laws due to this fact. This is HIGHLY theoretical, however a paper published by a Mexican physicist showed that it is actually possible. Maybe. Like 2 billion years from now.
joesteelcomics 4 days ago
@joesteelcomics Thank you Joe for bringing up time dilation(or the lack thereof)! I'm glad someone brought it up: Warp Travel IRL would mimic the OPPOSITE of what we see in the series:
An example. Lets say you can create a Warp bubble but can only find a way to propel your ship 1 mile faster than the speed of light. To the pilot, a 7lyr trip would still take ~7 years to him, since time is RELATIVELY constant. but from an observer, you would seem to just teleport right there!
1blackone 4 days ago
i think you SORTA got it..... i'm guessing you just really wanted to use your Voyager animation to illustrate the warp theory (it probably got more viewers just now than the entire series did) but if you wan to keep it simple, just stretch a rubber band between two of your fingers. Make a mark on it to represent the ship. Stretch the band behind the "ship" mark to symbolize the warp field expanding the space behind the ship. (maybe check with Hawking first) :p
greymajickjedi 1 week ago
Good choice of music to go with the information.
Cyke101 1 week ago
You really have to factor (sorry) higher dimensions into any warp theory. I've always understood warp travel to be leaving our 3 dimensions and traveling in a 4th (or higher) dimension. This allows a ship, while still sublight, to travel relativistically faster than light, and depending on the curvature of space, substantially faster.
Bottom line, even with "bubbles", you're not traveling though our 3 dimensions faster than light. No matter what you do, the energy will never be there.
JarOfRats 1 week ago
But what if you can break the waves up just before the leave the bubble , wouldnt that fill the holes and self repair the empty space ? Kinda of like making a bubble that vibrates.
thunderbird002 1 week ago
I once read that in Star Trek, the warp bubble actually moves the ship into subspace (between space) and essentially makes the ship 'lighter' so you have the equal amount of power with a lighter ship
bsotech 2 weeks ago
@bsotech
yea i read that too... Something along the lines of "to achieve a higher warp factor, they "pull more of the ship into subspace". Thus making it lighter to counter the increased mass. Which takes more power the deeper you go. Don't remember exactly. I would have to find the tech manual i had but, no clue as to where that is at.
dogmazx2 1 week ago
@zer0dahero YOU forgot to mention the Alcubierre drive, a starship propulsion system that is theoreticaly possible under the current understanding of physics. turn off the computer and stop hatin' on trekkies.
jakedasnake1254 2 weeks ago
You forgot to mention one key aspect of wrap space travel. It doesn't actually exist exept on TV. Turn off the tv and read a book.
zer0dahero 2 weeks ago
@zer0dahero they said the same about wireless communication, the earth orbiting the sun.electricity.... also warp drive has been theoretically proven using the alcubierre drive
SVWillmer 1 week ago
is this real theory? or just for star trek, someone answer me please
Met0llicA 2 weeks ago
@Met0llicA star trek is a program for ideas and theories.... what you are confusing is a preconception:
Preconception: star trek is just sci fi
Therefore scifi is just fantasy.
So is real theory in science until it is proven. Abandon your preconceptions to move forwards with understanding and wisdom.
SVWillmer 1 week ago
@SVWillmer Well said!
I like YOU!
;-)
ThatAnArchyDude 1 week ago
Actually in time space would repair it self, like the water behind the boat does. In fact this would happen quite fast so there would be no problems.
reveaglestar 2 weeks ago
In an interview, Patrick Stewart (Capt. Picard) related how the writers had explaned to him the general concepts of warp-drive, adding "Of course, nobody actually knows how to make it work, yet". He told them "Nonsense! All you have to do is say...ENGAGE!!".. 8)..
stangftl 2 weeks ago
@stangftl "explained" GRR...
stangftl 2 weeks ago
Song? Anyone...
Great Vid btw, even though I am almost sure it's not this simple.
TheV00d00D011 2 weeks ago
I'd prefer the materializing in and out of existance via the time vortex.
the1tigglet 2 weeks ago
@the1tigglet But you'd need the knowledge of Rassilon and the ability to supernova a star
BitchesDoGlitches 2 weeks ago
Actually the idea is to compress space in back of the ship and stretch it in the front for warp speed.
toyotabedzrock 3 weeks ago 3
@toyotabedzrock That doesn't make any sense, if you stretch it in front then you have further to travel.
StarkRG 2 weeks ago
@StarkRG Space implodes in front (pull) and expand at tail (push)..
davydekemp 2 weeks ago
How can I use this information to get a girlfriend?
jykozak 3 weeks ago 46
@jykozak you cant...but what you can get is a brain. if you ever find one pls come back.
tsetsoooo 2 weeks ago
@tsetsoooo - easy buddy! Set phasers for stun! I was only kidding. Don't go and have a warp core breach.
jykozak 2 weeks ago
@jykozak find a nerdy girl
winnerkid1 1 week ago
@jykozak To use Warp theory to get a girlfriend, you need to warp to a future where personalized female sex-bots are alright, or to a Star Trek Convention.
dhaval2712 6 days ago
@dhaval271 Did you even watch this video? One of the primary benefits of warp travel is the elimination of any time dilation effects. Your advice to use warp technology to facilitate time travel is both shabby and misguided, sir. On the other hand, your advice about hitting up a Star Trek Convention is a good one. But I don't need a starship for that. My '89 Corolla should get me there just fine.
jykozak 4 days ago
@jykozak If you explain it and they havent left or gone to sleep, you have a chance
Davis4037 4 days ago
@Davis4037 Good call! If they're still awake, I can whisper this failsafe closer into her ear: "Mr. Happy to your pants...one to beam down."
jykozak 4 days ago
@jykozak Then their reaction tells you if there a keeper
Davis4037 4 days ago
The theory is sound. However, there is no known way yet to generate such a field. And doesn't creating a warp bubble risk creating a space-time rupture, since you're cutting a hole in space-time?
inamerica55585 3 weeks ago
@inamerica55585 well, not exactly
what if the bubble were to be made of space, but the space around said bubble was compressed in front of the bubble and expanded behind it, but was still connected to the bubble, but the space in the bubble was not morphed.
i could be wrong. if so, im starting to believe in my own bull shit
Davis4037 4 days ago
Now can someone explain Mass Effect's all-encompassing science theory to me?
RedGeist 3 weeks ago
You forget to include the negative repercussions of warp travel, as stated in the series: the warp bubble "pushing" the space away causes it to tear. Leaving "broken space" in its wake. (imagine the water behind a boat) Over time, it makes warp in the area impossible...A bad thing, of course, for heavy traffic areas/trade routes.
1blackone 4 weeks ago 14
@1blackone you mean: The warp fields of conventional warp engines caused damage to the fabric of spacetime, eventually causing subspace to extrude into normal space, creating phenomena such as subspace rifts. In order to slow the rate of damage, the Federation Council shared their findings with all known warp-capable species in 2370 and imposed a speed limit of warp factor 5 on all Federation vessels in all but extreme emergencies. - source: Memory Alpha
1phoe1 3 weeks ago
@1phoe1 Yes, i also could've used a few five-dollar words and cited an unofficial wiki page. But, considering the limited format, i decided to just explain it as plainly as possible. Essentially, i followed the Einstein quote, "If you can't explain something simply, you don't understand it well enough", with a little "Brevity is the essence of wit." sprinkled on top. So...should i provide footnotes and a work cited page? Or is this a damned youtube vid? =)
1blackone 3 weeks ago
@1blackone technically though this is incorrect. The lines do not bend outwards as it showed otherwise there would be friction from compressing space the otherway. the only way to travel at high velocities without friction is to use a warp field that cancels out only the amount of mass contained by the ship. meaning the lines would pass through the ship and would not be altered at all.
BIGDTFC 2 weeks ago
@1blackone meaning that if the lines are drawn toward you you are altering space and causing drag, however if the field did what he showed you would actually be able to travel faster but have the opposite effect, and your gravitational field would repell you from objects meaning your ship would have to use more energy again to push through space with gravity nearby. not as much but still more than if your ship did not alter space at all. Thus it is better if the gravity flux lines stay straight.
BIGDTFC 2 weeks ago
@BIGDTFC What you are posing is what they call Quantum Slip-Stream. Its the next logical step. If the lines in the diagram represent space-time, a warp bubble "rubs" against those lines and still encountering universal rules. Namely, scalable exponential friction. Thereby imposing a 2nd "speed limit" on warp.
Quantum Slip-Stream, however, subverts it by tunneling BETWEEN the lines, a complete bypass. It literally "slips" between the lines of space/time on a quantum level, get it?
1blackone 2 weeks ago
@1blackone thats not exactly what im saying, im saying in his video he shows the lines being bent, that exerts friction and a force on the ship, technically to do what the ship does in the tv show it would have to cancle out its presence in space not bend the lines the other way. but yes your slip stream explanation is correct, however borderlines on wormhole theory, meaning your not traveling fast at all you move a large distance even going slowly, and by definition
BIGDTFC 2 weeks ago
@1blackone slipstream requires what i am saying to function, at least theoretically you must have a gravity drive capable of reducing the mass of the ship till the slipstream lines are ( gravity flux lines) are flat. that is the step i am talking about. bending the lines would give you negative gravity. so again the only way for this to function is for the flux lines to remain flat and not curve at all
BIGDTFC 2 weeks ago
@1blackone Hi, wouldn't the broken space get back to its original state after a while? Just like the water behind the boat..
davydekemp 2 weeks ago
@davydekemp Hey Davvy, at this point, its important to remember we're talking about-at best-fringe theoretical physics, at worst, psuedo-science conjecture: all events are essentially occurring on the Planck scale(5 million times smaller than an atom more energetic than most supernovae, more massive than black holes!)
That said, there's actually real life studies going on hoping to analyze what occurs at the point of a space-time rupture in a vacuum. look up*UK ghost particle laser*
1blackone 2 weeks ago
@1blackone Complete nonsense. No observable (let alone reproducible) physical phenomenon supports the idea that space can be torn, or even warped. Time and space, if even the two are even related to each other as relativity would suggest, either is, or is not (a singularity) where matter/time cannot exist. A black hole is an example of a singularity, and only gravity keep them from eating the universe.
This is all theoretical, we don't understand the universe, and probably never will.
TheLackofattack 2 weeks ago
@TheLackofattack Please, read all the comments, more specifically, the one I wrote to davvy no more than 2 hours before your post stating just that.
Another thing of note. Do you know how big boys and girls join a discussion? They don't try to forcefully inject themselves into it with an instantly adversarial tone. They merely write their perspective in a respectful manner. Read your comment and ask yourself: did it REALLY need the "Complete Nonsense" bit? Does it help at all?
1blackone 2 weeks ago
@1blackone Yes, nonsense. Conjecture without a actionable, reliable, REPEATABLE method of test is a philosophic discussion and is not science, not even theoretical. The planck scale is surmised set of units provided the uncertainty principle holds true. Its impossible to evaluate this stuff, as those energies are incapable to be produced.
TheLackofattack 2 weeks ago
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@TheLackofattack Sigh...maybe you just couldn't find it? All of this I SAID well before your first post, so ill just quote it.
"Hey Davvy, at this point, its important to remember we're talking about-at best-fringe theoretical physics, at worst, psuedo-science conjecture: all events are essentially occurring on the Planck scale(5 million times smaller than an atom more energetic than most supernovae, more massive than black holes!)"
Again, don't reply if you don't read.
1blackone 2 weeks ago
@1blackone You're talking theoretical numbers about a theory about reconciling gen. relativity and quantum physics which requires another unproven theory (string) about the gravity interactions on the planck scale! These are issues many have spent entire lives failing to understand let alone PROVE! No-one actually even made a truly solid connection to space and time! Time could be an illusion with no physical meaning.
we don't understand the universe, and probably never will. At least we try.
TheLackofattack 2 weeks ago
@1blackone I'm pretty sure this was just a retcon so the writers of TNG could use an episode to address the issues of global warming and depletion of the ozone layer, by proxy.
chickensesame 5 days ago
@chickensesame Yep, you're probably right.
1blackone 4 days ago
@1blackone But what if the bubble is connected to that space, but the space in the bubble was not warped but the space outside of it was. for example, anyone inside the bubble would see everything outside of the bubble fly swiftly by, but everything in the bubble moving as if its normal, while outside the bubble, it looks as if the ship flies by along with the stuff in the bubble
Davis4037 4 days ago
@1blackone Well if it's like water, wouldn't it restore itself?
LegoWeirds 3 days ago
So does this warp bubble also let you move through other matter?
TekLok 4 weeks ago
@TekLok Thats Phasecloak :P
1phoe1 3 weeks ago
So wit this theory of warp drive, how exactly does the ship move once its outside of normal spacetime?
Baronstone 4 weeks ago
@Baronstone with Asymetric Warpfields, a warp field created by the nacelles, by firing the coils in the nacelles such that the extending fields created by the single coils keep pushing on each other and are driven towards the aft end of the ship.
1phoe1 3 weeks ago
I like the other kind of warp better.
You're at position A. You want to go to B. Imagine these places are on each side of a paper. What this kind of warp does is that is bends the paper and just "jump" from A to B in one move.
Simple.
Srjl 1 month ago
@Srjl No that's a wormhole you are talking about.
TekLok 4 weeks ago
@TekLok Eh, well I still like that one though. :)
Srjl 4 weeks ago
@Srjl that's the jump drive as used in event horizon, and probably a version used in galactica as well.... travelling from point to point in no time by making a "conduit" between the two points as shown in andromeda only you had to physically navigate that one.
scumbucket218 3 weeks ago
@scumbucket218 I wish that one day this will work :) but is really so simple? From A to B in no time? What is so simple in the universe? :)
1phoe1 3 weeks ago
@1phoe1 well how i understand it, you are going outside of physics as we know it, you are effectively folding space so that point a and b are actually the same, so as they are the same transition between two is effectively done in no time. the trek idea is clearly linked to hydrodynamics as the "bubble" is akin to the same effects speedboats use by creating a layer of air to travel in thus negating the drag of the water.
scumbucket218 3 weeks ago
@1phoe1 add to that the way it was explained in Andromeda as an alternative where they used a gravity compensator to drop the ship weight down to half a kilo and then used it's massive thrust for manouvering thus cheating inertia, and then relying on "slipstream" which was a drive that effectively let the ship travel through a maze of strings at stupid velocity to get to it's destination.
scumbucket218 3 weeks ago
@Srjl Yeah thats the simplest idea, but technicaly, nothing is so simple i think :)
1phoe1 3 weeks ago
Nice explanation. Now Go And Build It For Me.
thepretenda 1 month ago
@thepretenda Well now thats the golden egg isnt it. The theory is all fine and dandy, but until someone comes up with the math to make it possible without requiring the energy output of a star. Well, until then its just sci fi
Baronstone 4 weeks ago
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@thepretenda Well now thats the golden egg isnt it. The theory is all fine and dandy, but until someone comes up with the math to make it possible without requiring the energy output of a star. Well, until then its just sci fi
Baronstone 4 weeks ago
theres no such thing as warping people...time is a measurement...
xGradientz 1 month ago
@xGradientz
According to General Relativity, time is a dimension of space. According to special relativity, time slows down for an object as it accelerates. This last postulate has actually been demonstrated using atomic clocks on jets.
VigilanteNighthawk 1 month ago
@xGradientz They just want to play with the fabric of space :P
1phoe1 3 weeks ago
i was told once that warp travel or whatever you feel comfortable calling it is like being on a piece of paper when you actavate the "warp" so to speak you fold the paper in half in a way( the paper is like the universal plane type thing ) and only move a little then unfold the paper(exiting "warp") and ending up far away when you really only moved a little ways....sorry if im wrong, this subject is so easily misunderstood.
hapyguy73 1 month ago
Sorry my friend your understanding is wrong, warp is achieved y contracting the space time in front and expanding at the back of the ship the case that happen at the time of big-bang when the universe spread faster than light :)
ankitecian 1 month ago
@ankitecian Exactly. It is proven that while matter can't move faster than light, SPACE itself can. The ship is simply going along for the ride in the space warp bubble.
captcorajus 1 month ago
@ankitecian Big Bang used warp engine to look like it spreading faster than light? :)
1phoe1 3 weeks ago
Oh, is that all?
Why haven't we invented this yet!
Zebonka 1 month ago
@Zebonka Physics allows it on theory, but the energy required is too "big_huge_large_not_yet_in_our_hands_to_say_at_least". To be able to do that you'd need the power of the so called matter-antimatter annihilation. Antimatter is very very very hard to produce and even harder to store (for now).
So yeah.. we have it only on paper formula..
gergister 1 month ago
Yeah - from what I've been led to believe (and this might be very layman of me) it's like the transporter in terms of energy requirements - way, way out there.
Zebonka 1 month ago
If you get a chance and watch my you-tube videos. 1. STOPPING A TORNADO = AIRBORNE M.A.S.E.R + C.F.D weather patterns 2. Tornado 2012 PREVENTING a tornado from touching the ground.
I am trying to make an animation for you-tube to better explain my theory. The second video is less than 2 minutes long and is the best explanation.The 1st video is why and how I came up with theory. Any suggestions on how to make - set up the animation process well be greatly appreciated.
Super314159265358 1 month ago
Great job.
Super314159265358 1 month ago
Nice theory and nice music you played with it
RaikenXion 1 month ago
I don't think that this video correctly demonstrates what warp speed is supposed to do. As far as I thought I knew, the theory was that the warp engines acted like 0:30 in this video, but at higher energies.
eXcommunicate1979 1 month ago
@eXcommunicate1979 no there is definitely a bubble around the ship.
heroesandcons09 1 month ago
haha its 2:15 minutes
goodwolf359 1 month ago
This is completely incorrect; the genuine theory is available in various comments.
midnightz 1 month ago
The video is correct a theoretical warp engine does not create worm holes, which would be folding space time to bring the distance between two points closer. The discontinuation from the bubble allows time to function inside the bubble and for the ships relative movement to have minimal effect on space time outside the bubble.
EgadsNo 1 month ago
I thought warp was when they bent space so that the distance between two points becomes smaller. It would be like putting two dots on a piece of paper (spaced far apart) and then bending the paper so the dots are close together. The paper would represent space being warped and the dots would be you travel distance if one dot was your ship and the other dot was your destination.
voltron821 1 month ago
@voltron821 Your thinking of the film Event Horizon which I thoroughly recommend.
Very scary.
VRedSkull 1 month ago
@voltron821 hi that is not warping
what your talking about is folding space
rednasdees 1 month ago
@rednasdees What means warp, and what means fold.
And yes. warpengine doesnt folding space in Star Trek.
1phoe1 1 month ago
@rednasdees folding, warping what's the difference??
voltron821 1 month ago
@voltron821 The difference is that you are bending space in front of you and pushing forward where as warp is a ship in a bubble.
heroesandcons09 1 month ago
You forgot the fact that the only problem in that the world is currently having trying to generate that is that once we make that warp bubble the heat inside gets much, much, much, hotter than the core of the sun, so until we can bypass that difficulty we can't warp.
EpicTrollGod 1 month ago
WORSE VIDEO ON WARP EVER ! A warp engine is suppose to bend space not create a bubble to avoid space. A warp engine causes space to move instead of the ship. This video is soooo wrong. Also, how the hell does the ship exist if it's inside a "space-less" bubble? Is it a "space-less" ship?
FishBowl911 1 month ago
Hard to believe how much bad science is in this video and in the comments. In regard to the video: warp drive does not allow a ship to "avoid" space, or the principles of special relativity.
Basically, star trek engines work like this: there are two drives, impulse and warp. Impulse is pretty much rocketry as we understand it. Warp drive is different, it warps spacetime so that space, rather than the ship, is what moves. Check out Alcubierre if you want to learn more.
jordanesmith111 1 month ago
@jordanesmith111 Impulse is almost rocketry. plus its using warpfield, to "take" the ship's mass into subspace. That means less mass, more acceleration and speed. In star trek there is a max speed limit, to avoid time dilation. Warp engine creating asymetric warpfields around the ship and "takes" it into subspace (not completly).
To be true, ST has the best tech to solve the lightspeed limit and ST was not created in this days so may sound outdated for many ppl.
1phoe1 1 month ago
@1phoe1 Partially correct. Warp 1 is light speed. and as new technology developed in ST higher warp factors were attainable to the federation maximum of 10, which is only a limit due to technology and a major health concern as a result. Impulse can reach light speed but the dilation was to be avoided due to many reasons concerning time. Since warp has shown many temporal effects including time travel. a Warp field distorts space time. EgadsNo below explains it better. ^_^
CrimsonArmory 1 month ago
it's not true that the ship will become heavier and the time starts to slow down. that's only with FTL drive. in warp drive the ship isn't moving, so it cannot become havier
Pyamamannetje 1 month ago
@Pyamamannetje
Did you watch the whole video? Because he explains that in the end.
BenjaminWirtz 1 month ago
@BenjaminWirtz ohw. in that case. forget I said anything. sorry
Pyamamannetje 1 month ago
But I read somewhere that said, you need the existence of space for atom to have mass... so by having no space within the warp-bubble, the ship will simply vaporize, or dissipate
WaiWu 1 month ago
I forget what it was exactly, but a physicist did use general relativity to basically come with the equations needed to create a warp effect. So it is possible, but of course it is out of our reach at the moment.
MrHudDakNic12271990 1 month ago
Its basically a Miguel Alcubierre drive. Look him up.
Calriec 1 month ago
@Calriec And his theories were interesting, but nowadays highly controversial.
harolze 1 month ago
@harolze a faster than light particle has recently been found
makutateridax200 1 month ago
@makutateridax200 Not proven the subluminal nuetrino and they keep arguing over it.
EpicTrollGod 1 month ago
absolute bollocks that whole video..... you've basically just described the theory of flight. In order for there to be a resistance there needs to be a moving atmosphere or gravity field. Space iis a vaccum with obstacles in it.
tracksfortroops 1 month ago
@tracksfortroops: With all due respect, space is nothing more than a regular expansion with resistances in it, much like an atmosphere, BUT just much further away in comparison. At the speed of light, even the stretches of this space will create resistances that'll keep it from reaching the speed of light, and the waste of energy explained.
Space is still filled with stuff. These things are just much farther away.
vjm3 1 month ago
@tracksfortroops Space is 70% Dark Matter, far from the nothingness "vaccum" [sic] you present it to be. And it's been empirically proved through satellite experimentation that the Mass of an Object does exert a distortion / resistance effect on the Space around it. Principle (not Theory) of Flight is different from Warp Theory in that you only need to lessen the Pressure on one side of an aerofoil while maintaining Laminar Flow by increased Velocity to achieve Lift.
RingSight91 1 month ago
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rayraychapman 1 month ago
So by this description, the ship is generating its own space bubble to slip between the space it's traveling through. Meaning, that the ship and its occupants are existing in a separate space-time continuum and theoretically could have it's own laws of physics. If not tuned probably the occupants of the ship could turn into a soupy mush or vaporize into a gas.
EyeOnTheTV 1 month ago
space can be bent or curves, but not moved like this shows, pure fiction
hendrixslashmay 1 month ago
we dont need go to warp.. neutinos maybe going much faster than light speed and they dont using warp
marekpicard 1 month ago
Doesn't address the question that if you beat a light beam to wherever it was going then you move backwards in time in respect to whatever point you were headed too - an alien ship going at multi-light speed towards our planet; from perhaps many hundreds of light years away will end up several hundred years back in our past.
IO23777 1 month ago
@IO23777 I think you're mistaken. I can partly see what leads you to think that, but actual light has nothing to do with time.. Light is just a kind of particles / electromagnetic energy. Outpacing it must have absolutely no effect on time, just as outpacing any other kind of particle has.
Iguana93 1 month ago
@IO23777 For example if we were watching the beginnings of an intelligent race on a distant planet through some hypothetical telescope, a starship could already be headed to us from the planet, if it were travelling faster than light.
Iguana93 1 month ago
@IO23777 If the alien ship started towards us from a planet 1000 light years away because they have remotely detected the life here the way it looks at precisely this moment, then even if their transport were instantaneous, they would arrive 1000 years from the moment they saw, by which time we might not even be here anymore.
Iguana93 1 month ago
@Iguana93 Thank you for taking the time to write your three points - all of which I fear are incorrect - the speed of light is a CONSTANT - Mass, Energy, Space and Time are all VARIABLES and can all assume differing values in respect of the Speed of Light. No form of information can be conveyed anywhere at a speed in excess of light particles or waves. This simultaneous 'NOW' that you assume that we and any hypothetical Aliens many thousands of light years away share simply does not exist!
IO23777 1 month ago
@IO23777 Ok, I'm not a scientist so I'm not going to argue.. But I think that humanity as a species is far from being able to say what does and does not exist. Folding of space is a theory too be it unproven, but just the fact that nobody has ever seen anything get from one place to another faster than light doesn't prove it is not possible and that it's not happening around us all the time without us noticing..
Iguana93 1 month ago
@Iguana93 You may be correct. But if what you say is right then Einstein and every other physicist since is wrong and we live in a very different universe to the one we think we live in. I don't discount this as a possibility since prior to Einstein all the Physicists were indeed wrong, but proving it will take a much grander theory than exists now.
IO23777 1 month ago
@IO23777 Only time will tell.. :) But warp is a nice theory to dream about to be sure. Then again this society should concern itself with many problems much more pressing than interstellar travel - trying to make the environment of this planet sustainable, not try to run away from here. Thanks for the chat.. ;)
Iguana93 1 month ago
hmm you know they developped some meta materials to bend light around some object?
my question is, can we develope meta materials to bend space-time around a ship?
sorry for the english
Rel7eGaDe 1 month ago
@Rel7eGaDe anything is possible with enough science
TheRandomguy112 1 month ago
I prefer the lore of Eve Online warp bubbles it seems to make more sense.
relshar 1 month ago
You already exist at the speed of light, you're just splitting that velocity between time and space, duh. The more of your velocity you expend in space the less you expend in time. Warp Speed is unnecessary, and silly. By going fast enough you can go anywhere in the galaxy anyway without aging much.
And when Voyager goes to warp, She re positions her nacelles!
mrthebillman 1 month ago
The warp field doesn't look like that though. It's depicted in the ST:TNG Technical Manual as having a shortened frontal lobe and an extended aft lobe, and the field narrows significantly near the center of the vessel.
tkardaishou 1 month ago
What happens to this theory when you take an arrow to the knee? (I can't believe I just wrote that, someone need to slap me, and slap me hard. A "thumbs up" is the equivalent of a slap. Any takers?)
smacman68 1 month ago
time itself resides throughout all 11 dimensions. from 4th and down it's linear but 5 n up it's nonlinear. Meaning if something could travel through the 5th dimension one could travel instantly to any place. warp space isn't really a reduction of spaccetime around oneself just the linear spacetime. Space and time is a constant throughout 11 dimensions but are percieved differently. if we had a 12 dimension universe there would be 2 dimensions to time.
livedandletdie 1 month ago
"Warp" isn't a velocity, it's an acceleration - like gravity. But the method of propulsion of warp speed is much more basic than Star Trek makes it out to be.
Think of a space vehicle, composed mainly of metal... now think of that ship projecting a ~magnetic~ field ahead of the ship. So the magnetic field creates a force pulling (or attracts) the ship towards that magnetic field. But the source of the field (the ship) accelerates relative to the ships velocity and thus warp speed is limited.
DOHC2L 1 month ago
No offense, but not very informative. There is more informative material in Memory Alpha if anyone wants to know.
Pengiufiu 2 months ago
Engage!
vintagevideogamegeek 2 months ago
So the idea is that without a warp bubble, you wouldn't reach light speed because your pushing light waves in front of you?
Jekktis 2 months ago
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wait aminute wouldent that mean that if you go into warp you would technicly isntantly be where you are going due to time no longer in your area.
nuke1007 2 months ago
wait aminute wouldent that mean that if you go into warp you would technicly isntantly be where you are going due to time no longer in your area.
nuke1007 2 months ago
all good so far -- but at subwarp speeds, the imbalance of compression/expansion of space-time before & after the ship is what induces it to shift location -- so what is the motive force once the ship enters the warp bubble? The warp bubble has no mass in normal space-time, & hence can accelerate with much less motive force to drive it -- but do the ship's engines compress/expand space-time OUTSIDE the warp bubble? How can the ship enter a sequestered dimension & still pull itself along?
SupernalOne 2 months ago
Are you trying to defend that 'Psydeo-Science' Uncle Albert pimped off in 1905 called GENERAL/SPECIAL RELATIVITY? The man couldn't make CHANGE? You give him 1000 DeutscheMarks note, order six pastrami on sour dough bread and six on Rye (hold the Mayo) and a baker's dozen of Chimay Ale---TRY, just TRY to get the orders/change right!!! When it came to making change, Albert 'wasn't an Einstein'. Also Neutrinos have been PROVEN to exceed the speed of light!!! So what does that say about his SWAG
Armydicked 2 months ago
@Armydicked I've always liked pastrami.
nakyer 2 months ago
@Armydicked FTL neutrinos are not proven yet. Hopefully we will get confirmation from other sources.
harolze 1 month ago
@harolze Where do we stand on that now? I'm having trouble finding any consistent information about subsequent experiments.
thespecialneedsgroup 1 month ago
So if the ship is in a warp bubble, and bends space around it. Does that mean that the ship can travel through things such as Suns, Planets, other ships etc without taking damage, or damaging them? If a ship warped through me, would i notice?
aturapariah 2 months ago
wait. if space-time is moving around the ship and it is not existing in space-time itself, how does the ship even exist without any space to exist in?
CozmicCinema 2 months ago
@CozmicCinema thats what i was wondering to be precise. Warp is like a mystery for me, more like a magic. Im not against warp theory, but i just dont get it. its fun actually to know more :D
VladiSSius 2 months ago
Time travel is the only way to go in space.
humberlick 2 months ago
love the fact uve got commons "i want u" instrumental as the backing to this...made watchin this that lilbit more enjoyable
theblaquebaastid 2 months ago
Most of people here don't have any idea what they are talking about. They are repeating fine words - they have heard - like parrots. Space - time, Gravity, Wormholes, Warp drives, mumum. We are not getting out of this solar system very soon or even this planet. These nerds can't tie their shoes without a help and get out from the door away from their precious computer. Nearest black hole is in their ass. Stop dreaming and start driving.
harolze 2 months ago
As I understand it, when traveling at warp you are not in normal space. the idea is that nothing can go faster then light IN NORMAL SPACE, so you have to kind of side step normal space to get past that. You "warp" space and time so that you can do FTL travel but you will still get to go home and see your kids, not your great grand kids, right be4 they die of of old age. hyperspace kinda works the same way but is even faster. The wormhole on DS9 is hyperspace travel I think
crazedvole 2 months ago
isnt warp theory a fictional device for fantasy writers to get around the fact that nothing can go faster than light?
it seems to me that warp theory can be anything any space opera writer wants it to be (though if it were interanlly consistent that would be a bonus.
a good vid, though. entertaining
Strefanasha 2 months ago 6
@Strefanasha And nice warp-drive light-effect looks cool too. Most of people doesn't understand even basic physical principles, its easy to feed them anything that sounds like science but is pure fantasy. Warp scale has changed several times during Star Trek serie, if I'm correct. I don't think the future technology is going to look anything like in Star Trek/Wars.
harolze 2 months ago
@harolze
Warp engines at this point seem more feasible at this point than say an FTL. If CERN was correct and they found both the higgs Boson and that nuetrinos can move faster than light, it would be more likely that the warping of space time would occur, than straight ftl. The problem with warp however is Time displacement, and the relative time gap between those on ships, and those in Normal space/time
collguyjoe99 2 months ago
Sorry, Meant time dilation
collguyjoe99 2 months ago
@collguyjoe99 Those findings ( if confirmed ) doesn't make warp drive any closer. They don't give solutions even the basic problems of FTL, like how the space-time is bend ,other way than collecting enormous mass around the spaceship. Time displacement is not technical problem and not even the issue for the dedicated crew. Sending whole family or even whole nation is much easier than FTL-travel. Stopping human aging process by gene-technology and make them capable for hibernating even more.
harolze 1 month ago
@Strefanasha Then how do you explain the fact that the gravitational force of a black hole is so strong that even light particles get sucked in? If nothing can accellerate beyond light speed, how can this occur unless the force of gravity somehow is able to outpace escaping light particles?
creamyapanties 1 month ago
@Strefanasha Theory is theory. Folding space is a form of warp theory, what is kind of what happens when you create the warp bubble and move 'between' space as I understand it.
DerrickDJ 1 month ago
Gravity's only a theory, jump off a building.
SVWillmer 1 month ago
@Strefanasha Actually, If the universe can exist is an area outside of it self then so can any object that manifests from it. So if we are in the universe? then where is the universe? When you figure that out then you will understand that you can make space/time bubble around you.
Omikron1112 1 month ago
@Strefanasha The more people look into the issue of the speed of light being the ultimate speed limit, the more people realize that they don't actually know enough to say for certain. I believe there are several credible scientist out there with theories on particles that do travel faster than light as well as some with theories on how to get around relativity and so on.
rayraychapman 1 month ago