Lenin and the Party Tony Cliff Part 2

[shinobi38]

Btw all the 'soviet' leaders after Stalin were Leninists, and look what happened. Lenin was an tyrant and a mass murderer.

[shinobi38]

The SWP believe not only in the Dictatorship of the 'Proletariat' but Lenin's (even more Totalitarian) version of it. Real Communism is autonomous and Libertarian, with the people and not the Party owning and controlling the means of production.

[R3DF4C710N]

I'm not very sympathetic to Leninism, but I think I could get behind Tony Cliff's Leninism.

[truefakeness]

I don't understand. These are not Tony Cliff's ideas, they are Lenin's, do you agree with them or not?

[R3DF4C710N]

That's because you're viewing Leninism through rose-tinted glasses.

Cliff's ideas are derivative of Lenin's, but they are not the same.

[9407113678]

This speech is fantastic, listened to it a few times.

[Congest]

Do you have any more speeches from Cliff?

[notthebbc]

yes. finally part of this speech should be up by 1st sept.

I have one other audio recording which i hope to put up soon