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  • Your Questions Mr gore,Tells me you don't no scripture nor understand the intended meaning by which is available for all mankind to understand, It seems by the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth you have not the basic knowledge of what it means to love your nieghbor,your anger is not against J.W but yourself . In reality you are lost,because by what purpose are you trying to abtain or gain in your conquest.What is the foundation of your corner stone?

  • Evolution hahahahah. Science is still trying to squeeze life out of rock and liquid hydrogen.Their major tool to eliminating free will and to enslave socialist idioligy apon mankind this will evedently eliminate a fair trial for your God given right to live,Due to your eugenic backround and nurogenic flaws let the matter cease.

  • Intelligant fools PHD is an illusion thrown by the workers of the arts,iniquity.

  • Find out how the stupid man takes the simple meaning into controversy.Which is now available in your holy bible

  • What argument besides your bias and emmotional reason for your conviction towards me,I ask you on the account of your solid faith you would agree that no man has sway over you would you not.Therefore on what account of your conviction towards others has one violated your stronghold of salvation if it therefore is undeniable.Because it is not a stand for confrontation,but accusation.Which is defined as an opposer Note: Lit meaning of "satan" means opposer, "devil" means slanderer

  • Fact: one does enter into a house and go from city to city, to every city and PLACE.

  • Luke 10:7 is indicateing that one should not go from house to house to only obtain things provided by the house holder this would endanger the preaching work.Note verse 5 states that one does enter ito a house to house,starting of with the words: Wherever you enter into a house say first may this house have peace. note what verse 4 says do not carry a purse or food, knowing that this could be a motive of ones needs to obtain only the things longed for.due to not having them. its pretty simple.

  • Great video, too bad this guy stole my name :S

  • @Bibl3Thumper He's off Youtube now anyway, he ran away after months of people sending him messages of how badly his debate with me went.

  • @TimKilgore No I didn't actually. Why not? I didn't take notice of the fact that there was a second part to the video. That is why I didn't watch it.

    Thank you for bring it to my attention though.

  • @TimKilgore Mat10:11 “Into whatever city or village YOU enter, search out who in it is deserving, and stay there until YOU leave. 12 When YOU are entering into the house, greet the household; 13 and if the house is deserving, let the peace YOU wish it come upon it; but if it is not deserving, let the peace from YOU return upon YOU. 14 Wherever anyone does not take YOU in or listen to YOUR words, on going out of that house or that city shake the dust off YOUR feet. 15

    READ acts 5:42 & 20:20

  • @MALACHAI39 Thanks for posting what I addressed in the second part of this video, I talk all about the Acts scriptures, did you not think to watch the second part before commenting.

  • @timkilgore do you preach at all?

  • @mastiffsito Only in public, in marketplaces and other places as Jesus commanded.

  • anyone who insists that the JWs have the truth need only google "The Douglas Walsh Trial" and read the court transcripts....CASE CLOSED

  • dude ur fat no1 cares good points but ur ugly and fat so less people care

  • ACTS 5:42

    And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.

    ACTS 20:20

    while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house

    After being flogged and ordered “to stop speaking upon the basis of Jesus’ name,

    Notice that they “continued” witnessing “from house to house.” ACTS 5:42

  • You seem to know it all. can you please tell us where Jesus lived, did he live in a house or in other persons houses?, im sure you know the answer, i guess you will have it all printed out in front of you as all you do is read off bits of paer or maybe your pc screen.lol

  • hello welcome to my bible humpers bbs. here we rate each others comments for comedy ability. so far i see nutting but total crap. so feel free to try and be funny so i can pretend not to laugh. he he.... oppsie

  • @timothyqkilgore You've created the satire page, it's only fair to look at it for comedy's sake since your satire offers nothing in terms of self-reflection. What is an oppsie? Do you mean oopsie? Given the horrible grammar, terrible punctuation and the fact you misspell everything I'm pretty sure I figured out why you're stuff isn't funny, it's because you're not intelligent enough to come up with original stuff. The offer stands since you can kick the shit out of me, time. place. waiting.

  • one more thing i wanna draw to your attention: i commented that i felt verse 7 was speaking about accomedations...u said: "no where does it say accomedations"...but when discussing verse 4 at min 4:34 u say the reason he told them not embrace anybody was it would distract them from preaching...I agree with you..but as you say: "NO WHERE DOES IT SAY.." distract from preaching...why is ok for u to apply this logic here but not for me to do it in verse 7?

  • @justmoresongs Well mainly because the verses before Jesus is describing HOW TO GO PREACHING. Embrace no one, then you look at the customs of the greetings in the country at the time. When you look at the custom at the time for house to house you'll see that they preached in homes they were invited to, you know the entire second video that I said here. Your logic "no where does it say" is dumb, you can do that anywhere, no where does it say Jesus wasn't gay. It must be true!

  • @TimKilgore whoa whoa whoa...YOU were the one who started the "no where does it say" logic with ur comment about accomedations...not me..see ur using context now by saying, the verses before, etc etc...just like i did when giving my explanation of verse 7...double standards...ur doing what u hate that witnesses do..if it helps ur case, u use whatever form of debate u can..but if it doesnt then u disregard it..TimKilgore:"context and principle are BS" ..unless u can use it to your favor?

  • @justmoresongs Actually YOU were the one that said "no where does it say" logic with Jesus going door to door. Remember you said "No where does it say Jesus didn't go door to door" in fact it was your first comment. I don't just reference the verses before though I'm talking about original language including expert references in the next video. Context and principle are BS that's why I think every biblical argument is ridiculous.

  • @TimKilgore lol..ok Tim you win...its pretty easy to see in the comments what each of us has said and thats satisfaction enough for me

  • @justmoresongs I think you're getting the point here, in things like this there is no "winning".

  • cont..true it never says SPECIFICALLY that Jesus went from house to house...but it doesnt say opposite of that either...however it is clear that 1st century christians did go from house to house Acts 20:20

  • @justmoresongs No where does it say looking for better accomidations, it says do not go house to house. So you're adding your own interpetation on the scripture about accomidations.

  • @TimKilgore i respect that we disagree on this but to me when Jesus refers to the worker being worthy of his wages, its stating that what he was discussing was the provisions that would be provided by the home the disciple stayed in...no where does it say that Jesus DIDNT preach door to door...so i could say ur adding ur own interpretation to this scrip...i know ur not but its easy to turn things when looking for loopholes

  • @justmoresongs I never said I wasn't adding my own interpretation, isn't that what all religions are is an interpretation of a scripture that has equal chance of being wrong. However I'd like to point out that there are examples upon examples of Jesus preaching and the method he used to preach. Wouldn't you think that if God thought it was very important to preach door to door and Jesus did so, it'd be included in the bible somewhere?

  • @TimKilgore again Tim I see this as loopholes...im sorry but i dont agree with you..there are many things that the bible doesnt SPECIFICALLY say, yet by context and principal we can discern what God wants..i know ur an athiest and i respect that...i just dont understand why u feel its important to have JWs justify themselves when, if ur agenda isnt proved u can so easily say, all interpretation has an equal chance of being wrong.....thats a "get out of the subject free" card

  • @justmoresongs That's an easy answer, I never say that the things I teach are absolutely 100% correct. I never refer to the things I say as "Truth". If you are stating that what you're teaching from the bible is THE correct interpretation then there better be proof of it, otherwise you're lying. Context and principle are BS, it's interpretation of what you feel the other verses around it mean and what you interpret principle to be.

  • I think we both know that it wouldnt matter if a JW showed you 1000 scrips supporting what they were saying, all you have to say is, "your interpretation isnt correct.." why is it that you CANT show that what you say is 100% correct?...because its impossible...no one can do that on ANY subject..likewise no religion can show you what they believe is 100% correct...but u insist that they should..when, as I said before, it really wouldnt matter because you can play the interpretaion card

  • @justmoresongs Actually I made a video with a bunch of things I would consider as proof that the JWs have the truth. Do you have a list of things that if you were shown you would admit that JWs do not have the truth? If I told you that 2 + 2 = 4; can you argue interpretation there? No, because it's truth, it is fact.

  • Your logic is flawed because I could say "no where in the bible does it not say Jesus died on a cross" then use the scripture about blood needing to be sprinkled on the four corners of the alter to show it needed to be a cross. Then you would pull the interpretation card, but for your beliefs it can apply. I just think you're a hypocrite.

  • @TimKilgore ok fair enough....ur right in these comments...i misspoke in saying u pull the interpretation card...my apologies...i guess we can agrre to disagree..nevertheless i do appreciate your time in responding to my comments

  • @justmoresongs Everyone agrees to disagree about things being right, it kind of boggles my mind that anyone would assume their message is so perfect and so correct that only people who are REFUSING to accept it will not believe it. I usually respond to comments when I have time... it beats the Sesame Street that's on that I've seen a hundred times LOL.

  • @TimKilgore never have I said that what I believe is perfect or absolutely correct...but I do feel that what we believe is the closest thing to truth from the bible...we are all imperfect..only 1 is good, and that is Jehovah God....i spent many yrs away from the truth...it was tangible evidence that brought me back

  • @justmoresongs The question though is closest thing to the truth, you need to clearly define what truth is and unless you can prove your interpretation as being more correct than another then it's merely posturing. I'd be interested to hear your tangible evidence, you can PM it to me if you want. I've noticed alot of people that say evidence brought them back it's usually very subjective or selective.

  • its quite simple..Jesus said the reason to stay in the house at verse 7 was thet the worker was worthy of his wages...the preaching was their work....it was a privilege to be invited into a persons home to have a place to stay...so Jesus was simply telling his disciples to see it as such a privilege and not be transferring from house to house looking for better accomedations..cont..

  • Hasn't it occurred to you that these videos are preaching gospel that is being streamed into homes. Just food for thought.

  • Most certainly it could.

  • There was so few of them so preaching to a crowd was definitely the way to go back THEN. Jesus and his disciples were traveling from town to town and getting the word out. We today have a small army a great crowd and we need to be united and organized so thats why we go door to door...I really dont see what this argument has to do with the price of eggs? All this nitty gritty stuff does a girls head in. LoL Im just getting on with the job of spreading the word whenever and where ever I can

  • Ive listened and Ive heard the argument ...but we have been given a task and that is to preach the word through out the inhabited earth so what ever gets the job done hey Tim and thats what we are doing ..getting the job done. He gave his disciples the instructions as you see them or how the other guy sees them is not the point. Its all about what our instruction is TODAY!

  • Its not about the method really its been organized to give a thorough witness and its a bit funny that anyone would be now arguing on our methods for doing so...ok course thats right ...its working . So we should give it up now and take to blaring like lunatics on TV. Its not dignified and its not friendly. Jesus did go into the houses of all sorts of men and women remember the prostitute he visited. We are covering the earth thoroughly up mountains and down in deep valleys we are there.

  • Firstly Jesus wouldnt be doing it if he was her on his own ..he would have millions of those faithful to the bearing thorough witness. So it needs to be organized and we are very organized as you well know. The territory is covered and then again covered as people do have a change of hear. This is the best way to reach the people though you will find us in a booth at a shopping centre in carparks at parks other public places but one on one makes us more available to answer questions.

  • As I pointed out in one of my videos door to door is an impossible method to reach everyone if you simply do the math. I've been at my current residence for 9 years 10 minutes from 4 Kingdom Halls and my door has never been reached, nor my neighbors. Yet I've been reached by Mormons and Hare Krishnas.

  • Maybe they heard about you there Tim or did you mark yourself off as a DNC. LoL We dont just use door to door anyway we are encouraged to use many different methods we have phone and letter witnessing also the markets carparks city store and incidental. We also believe that the angels are helping us to find ones inclined toward Jehovah so its a trust thing too. Dont worry we got it covered and anyway your getting more of a witness here from me that anywhere else [giggle]

  • I would have to be called on first to be listed as DNC.  Letter Witnessing and Phone witnessing... is there anything more archaeic? Maybe you guys could pick up some phonographs, send out HAM radio shows, or maybe send out some morse code LOL. I have a question about that Angel idea, I've had enough preaching to last me a lifetime even before you came along. I kind of wish I never responded to comments when I first started these videos.

  • You asked the questions Tim so of course you will get comments. Though as you know some of the comments are not well done nor nice which I totally disapprove of not yours the others. Im just reading the very latest figures I recieved yesterday on how our ministry is going worldwide..WHOOHOO! in a word Awesome ..Im sure we will get to your door soon I can arrange for a visit if you would like?? smiles M

  • Argument from Selective Observation, you're praising these specific stats because it supports your cause, now take those same stats and compare them to the population increase in the same time period. You'll see that with just population increase that the numbers you think are so amazing are actually dropping because it's not keeping up with population growth. I'll send you my address if you want to try and arrange something.

  • Nope its not selective its fact and even from my calculations it balances out in the areas that we are now visiting that have not been visited before. I know tht you can arrange this yourself Tim through your Mum if you wanted and I see for myself that you have been given a thorough witness and have your mind made up....at this point in time I know that some areas need to be covered more so dont worry Im sure Jehovah will get to you...just answer the door ok....hahha

  • Do you want me to go over my calculations with you? You just stated "from my calculations it balances out in the areas we are now visiting that have not been visited before" this is the defnition of argument from selected evidence. You're using the data of the countries not well visited and the ones that are to balance out the figures to support your already preconceived hypothesis. Look at world population growth vs. world JW growth, you'll see their percentage of growth is shrinking.

  • I can say the same thing to you ..you using selective data to back up your theories too. You had a preconceived idea to prove the JW have got it wrong and you have gone after data to prove this. Its so unbalanced these arguments here and in other forums its all about data and dates and blah blah blah..just like I just said to someone else. Im leaving it in Jahs hands and he will sort all the man made idea's out soon enough. We can all discuss out theory with him soon enough.

  • Here's the big difference between what I've researched and what you're doing. I look at the data JWs numbers are growing then ask "Is this because of population growth only?" Then compare the JW growth with population growth and find that JWs are actually at a negative growth compared to population growth. Then compare the numbers to previous years with population growth to find that it's been downhill since 1974. So are they growing? Sure, but it's not anything to brag about.

  • The thing is Tim..I also know that only a small number will get through the gates on a very narrow road. So all the data in the world does not prove anything to me. The prophecy that most interests me is that the preaching work will be done in all the inhabited earth. There is no other belief that is doing this work the way we are. Even the amount of languages we publish in is massive. The fulfillment of this prophecy will bring about the final days. Oh i do my research more than you know.

  • Ah the age old dichotomy, growing numbers are proof God has shown your group favor, but the small numbers are as well proof that God has shown your group favor. There are many groups that do the same work you do door to door, at last count I had 200. Groups publish in MANY more languages than you do, check the menanites. I know you want to prove your religion to yourself but you're being dishonest with yourself.

  • Oh come on Tim....Everyone knows that Biblethumper is the " Biggest Joke since the Devil started talking" .  The kid lives in a basement playing his Guitar Hero. Zeek Osbourne

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  • I blocked the fucker.

  • ZOMBIE Watchtower Slaves do not know that at Luke 10 verse 7 Jesus Christ told his disciples ... DO NOT go House to House ... Well Done good and faithful TIM, we are PROUD ... Watchtower is EVIL.

  • So go now and put a message on Bible Thumper's channel with how badly he did in this debate.

  • Pretty good, you're almost born again! APOSTATE ! LOL.

  • This is almost laughable.  Jesus was telling his disciples to stay at the first house that would have them hospitably..not to be transferring from one place to another looking for a better or more comfortable place to stay.

  • Which was the house of the believer that they had met preaching in the marketplace, temple or otherwise. Not door to door.

  • who is to say that it was the "house of the believer from the marketplace, etc?" Jesus clearly says every city and PLACE, a HOUSE is a PLACE is it not? brofun above correct about looking for a better place to STAY! JESUS was on this earth for two main reasons. To buy back what was taken aka the RANSOM and to LEAD BY EXAMPLE. did JESUS HIMSELF not preach even at houses? HE DID SO. He would go to peoples homes and heal the sick etc and preach about his Father.

  • He only went to the homes of ones that invited him there, if you can find an example where he went unsolicited to a home of a person to preach please enlighten me.

  • OWNED!! Bravo Tim!

  • Because they knew they should not do it. They knew what was right, which was, not to eat from that specific tree. If i tell you that i have endless of apples you can eat, but there`s only 1 that you must never eat, you know you shouldn`t. But, as the bible says, it was the tree with knowledge of good and evil, and they shure learned what the differences was. But why they got punished? I guess its not because they ate from the phorbidden tree but because they didnt show sign of regret.

  • And about God beeing psychic, How can he get dissapointed? And why did he create Adam and Eve if he could see what it would result in.?

  • If Adam and Eve didn't know right and wrong when they ate of the tree and they never knew a lie, why would he punish them for being fooled.

  • jesus had to doe to make a sacrifice, so God knew he had to die, but suicide was not an option, and if he didnt get killed he would live forever since he was perfect. I do not right now, remember a prophesy about 2 men independent of Gods involvement, doing something. But still, do you blame God for what Jephtha promissed?

  • Could Jehovah have stepped in and made a dog or a sheep come out to greet Jepthah before his daughter? Of course, could he have made Jepthah lose the battle in order not to have to fufill his promise? So yes I would definitely blame God for accepting such a promise.

  • So Jehova should not let people make wrong choises? Thats seems like a wish of not having free will. Its like thinking, no matter what i do it will turn out great since God is there to fix the results. I dont think God would mind if Jephtha didnt promiss anything. Also Jephtha could just say: i will offer 100 sheeps if i am victorious. God could also kill Adam and Eve and create 2 new people.?

  • Well, god know what he wants, and he can plan when to do it. He let us to know it through the apostles. The definision of this is called a prophesy, because a prophet is a man talking in the name of God. God planned to send a rescuer, and he told us trough his prophets. He know how he wanted to deliever this saviour, when and where. Jesus however told Peter he would deny him 3 times, but the bible teach the shepherd know his sheeps and the sheeps knows him.

  • I know one thing, the Bible did not teach you plural possessives....

  • This is at NovaMakeJustic, not you tim.

  • tell me, why do you hate Homosexuals?

  • I don't. I am a troll =D

  • can you give me a text in this one?

  • For Jeptha's Daughter or for the video?

  • Jephtha`s daughter. Where it says that Jehova knew who would come out first. I have never seen any indications that God can look into the future. What would be the meaning of free will if he could?

  • You're kidding right? You don't know where in the bible it says God could see into the future? How does he make accurate prophesies? That is a dichotomy isn't it, how do we have free will if God can make his prophesies come true?

  • Also. The bible dosnt say he made a pray to ask if he could regret, and rather sacrifice something else. So all in all, he serves as an example for other people not to promiss to much to God. Thats my explanation.

  • God let him win the battle knowing ahead of time that his daughter would be the one coming out to greet him. God is terrible to have done such a thing.

  • Its a sad story, this one about Jephthah. I will however put human emotions aside to answer better. God never asked it of Jephthah that i should kill his daughter, it was a promiss Jephthah made to God that the first one he met comming out of the doors of his house, he would sacrifice. What strikes my mind, is that what was Jephthah thinking, who did he excpect to see when he came home first, when he had 1 child? I assume a dog would be a bad sacrifice, and sheeps are usual not in the house

  • Its no pont reaching a conclution for my sake. I look at this as an open forum for biblical discussion. I dont involve my beliefes in this matters. Atleast i try not to. But i do like to make some comments on things i think is weird or just stupid, but no one need to agree. Im just known for looking at things from a different view of point, so, here you are.

  • I was more so saying that you made a bunch of statements that don't come to resolution. Like if I stated a bunch of facts about Benjamin Franklin on a video but then never tied them together.

  • well the resolution is that if God tells you something, you would assume it was the best for you since he is allmighty in wisdom and is love, as the bible say. How would you show disrespect for your God? By refusing to follow his advices and wishes would do it. So God send Jesus, Jesus say: The mose law is no more. To me it would be rebelian to keep following the mose law. And also, Jesus asked his followers to love theire enemys, but as i see it, they dont.

  • Did you think Almighty God telling Jepthah to kill his daughter was in his best interest?

  • If i was God, and i told mankind that i want to send my most beloved creature to make you forget your teachings, and refresh with new ones simply telling you to be nicer. The least i would want is to see a group of people refusing to obey my simple wish by trying to be more justice than me. Aint God allmighty for the christians? Or is it only some rubbish teaching from the bible that jw has proven to be wrong? its phew jw who love theire enemys, but its not weird since God wants it.

  • I think you mean to comment on another one of my videos, you don't really come to a conclusion here.

  • what a bizarre concoction...wasn't expecting to come across this

  • I would never rebel against Jesus to do something a man told me was right. Jesus is stronger than me, so i wouldnt pick a fight with him. its like the mose law, there was a reason they erased it (Jesus and Jehova), why would i rebel against that decision by keep following principles that is chosen by God to be forgotten.

  • I'd be gay for you Tim if it didn't piss off the Almighty so much

  • LOL, oh no now you're going to feed into all the JWs that are constantly calling me gay on here :)

  • I'll have to check again, I know it's on three four or five, one of those. I think it's my inflections and the pitch that makes them seem like a child. From what I remember their profile says they're in their forties. Hence the I Love Lucy reference as if they were being clever LOL.

  • Excellent job of exposing his use of several propoganda techniques, Tim.

    JW's use door-to-door exclusively because indoctinating someone requires that they are a captive audience with no outer influence. Jw's message would never survive if it had to stand up to the scrutiny of a public forum. That's why they don't use TV or radio. Although they boast they "used to" have a radio station.

  • Once people know the techniques used and how to argue against them, the door to door will be less and less successful. The more people know, that's kind of key.

  • We do use radio ..we have a station connection here in my home town that broadcasts the meeting so anyone can listen..we also have a station that we use to broadcast the conventions too and can be listened to by anyone...in my country anyway we do. TV is not a place for religion..its excruciating and hysterical to watch ..worship of god needs to be more personal than that..

  • We have that here too, however the radio is more so for people who need special arrangements to hear the meetings. It's not meant to really teach or preach to anyone. How do you think Jesus would be preaching if he were alive today, do you think he would go to the medium that garners the most attention or would he go door to door reaching one person at a time? It might not be a sermon on the mount but sermon from BlogTV.

  • Jesus would follow the same arrangement that we have now...he would be obedient to Jehovah we are like locusts crawling all over the earth...in my case I see that as a good thing ...and others here might just like to exterminate us locusts.. LoL The TV stuff is very wrong its not personal and lacks the ability to give a person the pleasure of our charming [in most cases] company. We also have a hands on approach in that we can find people that need help with the everyday things too.

  • Jesus would eh? Why didn't he follow the same arrangement they had in that day? Jehovah never ordered anyone to go door to door, simply to preach. What makes you think Jesus would follow that arrangement, especially if he found a method to get his message out to many more people than he could ever reach going door to door. Wouldn't he want most people to learn the truth, or would he rather have the chance of people not being reached because it's the way he's told to do things?

  • Please don't tell that to Jack Vanimpe and his ministry..............he reaches millions in ever broadcast.................a very knowledgable chap, perhaps you should tune in?

  • the voice you gave the other guy was just perfect!

    He is definitely your standard believer. Cherry pick the parts you want, ignore the parts you don't. Avoid addressing the issue; when your argument is defeated, just repeat it louder!

    (granted, it was you doing his voice, but we all know that is how he would have reacted.)

  • Thanks, sounds about right for your analysis of him. I had to go with the cartoon and strange voice... I didn't have a really cool looking puppet to work with :)

  • The set up he commented on my intro video, the rest was on TQ number 4. These were nearly verbatim the comments on them,

  • Was that little high-pitched stick figure really him?

  • No, JWs only debate in anonymity. These are his comments read back by me and pitched up a third to sound different.

  • I'd hang myself if I had to listen to that! Well, good work Tim, I'm tired of these pussy JWs slinging insults from the comfort of anonymity.

  • All JWs sling insults anonymously. I can only think of two that have videos up of them speaking to the camera. Yet I have hundreds of comments from JWs on my channel, none of which even have pictures on their channel.

  • What punks.

  • Well, Tim, will he be another one of your students of the truth about the "truth"? LOL! Good job.

  • Nah he blocked me after I thumped him. I went through all the trouble of posting this because he posts on his channel how he is a great defender of his faith and said he would easily beat me in a biblical debate. So this is testiment to his stupidity.

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