Es ist wirklich eine eigene Version, die sich von anderen unterscheidet. Die Musikalität von Gruberova ist wohl unbestritten, ebenso wie ihre technische Finesse. Trotzdem klingt ihre Norma (vor allem, wenn man das gesamte Werk mit ihr erlebt), irgendwie künstlich, Norma ist bei ihr eher das Zwitschervögelchen und sie wird der Figur vielleicht im Ganzen nicht gerecht. Aber das ist letztendlich Geschmackssache.
It's funny. In her older age those runs, while generally lovely, have a little less sparkle, her top is perhaps a little rougher. But the drama and stage presence is there more than ever. I love the rawness of her tone on the high sections, and that with the orchestra make this a pretty damned exciting recording.
Elle chante cette piéce vraiment bien et etant donné son âge á l´époque, mais je prefere quand même la "key" habituelle; est bien plus melodieuse, ce ton me semble un peu "sacagé".
To hear the aria as it should be sung you need to go to the YouTube performance of Rosa Ponselle. Compared to her G. simply sings AT the aria, she doesn't sing it.
Runs out of breath, not enough power when needed. Her tone throughout is too light. Orchestra has to slow way down to follow her. She is getting too old to do roles like this. Retirement would become her very well.
Bellini wrote the aria in this key, and changed to a lower one to please Giuditta Pasta, the soprano for which Norma was created.... he apparently agree whit her that the lower key helped more the mood and character of the aria. In my opinion, Miss Gruberowa however has nothing to do singing this aria in this or any other key.
Painful after listening to Maria Callas and Angela Gheorghiu. Ok, she is old for a soprano, but there is a moment when you have to admit you are over the top. She still sings better than I, but I am not pretending either... Ed e' vero: le note ribattute sono veramente brutte. Probabilmente per oscurare il fatto che non puo' piu' tenere gli acuti!!!
No matter who sings this aria, I always find the name Callas in one or more of the comments posted and I am sure that each time when somebody sings from Norma, all of us think instantly on Callas. Her image appears for a second in the front of our eyes and her voice sounds for a second in our ears. And it will always be like that. Always and forever.
This great soprano continues to baffle. I have heard her live and various other venues. Sometimes she is brilliant, sometimes disappointing. This performance would have been credible but she goes flat on the top notes. I am sure she has the capacity to create this role but not on this occasion.
Einfach nur peinlich...PENIBEL!!! Schlechte Titelauswahl, Edita...Passt gar nicht zu deiner Stimme...Schlecht gesungen, zum Teil auch falsch...Peinlich!
Quelques beaux "pianissimi" (qui font penser à Caballé) ne sauvent pas une interprétation sans âme, une respiration anarchique et des notes miaulées !
i believe this is the original key... i cant be too sure though cuz i dont have absolute pitch and i am nowhere near a piano or tuning fork... but it sounds higher than other versions here on youtube.
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Non keen on this . I think her voice is too thin for this aria, though she has good breathing control. Her voice not full and strong enough for this aria. Callas sings it better as her voice is very dramatic.
O, c'mon.... I realise its a matter of taste, so at my opinion, Joan could not sing like this at 61, not even before... I admire Joan in only few role (Marie in Fille du regiment,...), just don't like her style, but she was, I admit, a good singer.
You're right, Joan couldn't sing it in the original key at 61. But all the same, even though she had LOUSY diction and was a so-so actress, she still did have a very unique voice, like you said. I actually rather like Gruberova's timbre quite a bit, it's just the huge amount of scooping she does that turns me off of her. It just feels lazy to me. :)
Don't you get tired of ignorantly repeating what your betters say just to sound knowledgeable? Joan Sutherland modified vowels and consonants to achieve perfect lines like the world has not heard before or after her. You can find an interview with her on Youtube discussing this very fact.
As for the "scooping", are you a trained bel canto singer? Portamento, it's called, is a device dictated by the style of the period. She is delicately, and deliberately, phrasing the music, not being lazy.
@MisterSoprano Cannot agree with you more. Many criticise her, dislike her, but I don't see any soprano in the so called "new generation" that can sing better than she does. I appreciate Dessay and other coloratura as well, just not sure if they can achieve what Gruberova did when they are at the same age.
Preferisco il suo registro a quello della Callas e, nonostante l'eta', non emerge alcuno squilibrio vocale ne' manierismo. Se vogliamo parlare di manierismo, avete mai visto cantare la Bartoli (che tra l'altro ha una tecnica portentosa, ma ha delle mimiche oggettivamente oscene!!!)
I saw her live performance of this opera. Her interpertation of this aria was quite unique. She presented it as a soliloquy and showed the inner part - the struggle feeling between love and nationality. That explains she shows the same 'struggle' emotion here. - you can watch her aria in the opera by the link, and you'll see.
Gruberova's Casta Diva is one tone higher than we normally heard by Callas and others. Here is the original key that Bellini wrote -- in G key. Sutherlad had made a recording in this key as well. I think that's why you found it sounds different to other versions.
gruberova and norma...hhmm...i´m a fan of her and heared her several times,but make friends with these? of course it´s legitimate to sing a dreampart,especially at the end of a career.but she has emphasized for life,that she has respect for the part rightly and not having the demand property in her voice.she has lost these knowledge and the result is really not satisfying...
Ogni volta che ascolto la Gruberova resto interdetto: la voce sarà anche miracolosamente intatta, la tecnica sarà pure quel portento che tutti sappiamo; ma tutto questo viene incenerito da una insulsaggine espressiva e da un manierismo delirante che ormai sono l'unica cifra espressiva della Gruberova. Che pensa che l'intepretazione si riduca semplicemente a una somma di portamenti, messe di voce, pianissimi e sospiretti. Ostentati senza alcuna coerenza espressiva. Che tristezza!
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By the way, remember that there are other wonderful singers who have the same age and are still singing gorgiously...! With a top Technique this is only natural.!
Unacceptable! Not only the Pitch problem, but her wierd "expression" shows her insecurity. Well, she never was emotional, rather mechanical! But in the Arias or roles that she sings this manierismus is getting to the nerves.! Forte-Piano, Piano-forte--is this supposed to be Art? This is only part of the technique that every singer learns, or should learn! But Interpretation should be the ultimate result! -5
Definitely "overacted"! Top tier singers should make it look effortless, but she does the exact opposite, making it look like a struggle to sing .. much less evoke the feelings of the song itself.
Her facial expressions are quite strange, sort of self-indulgent, but if she needs to do them to maintain such a healthy and beautiful sound, then we can overlook them. This is a beautiful interpretation, though she has some trouble with the melismas. What is most sucessful in this performance is the steady, youthful and surprisingly clear timbre she still has. That's indeed a great rarity.
For an example of how to sing and keep a voice together over decades Edita can give us all a lesson or two! Can't wait to hear what she'll be doing in 2010!
Danke für das Einstellen der Arie! Ich sah gestern (17.1.2009) "Norma" in München von bestem Platz. Die Schönheit und Klarheit der Darbietung von Frau Gruberova war unglaublich und rührte mich zu Tränen. Da kann - leider - wie wir wissen die Aufzeichnung nur ein schwaches Abbild geben. Nochmals: herzlichen Dank!
Ich habe gestern in 3Sat die Aufzeichnung der NORMA aus München gesehen und kann Ihre Gefühle und Ihre Begeisterung nur teilen. Es war ein Hochgenuss.
Most of the conversation led here is just pathetic people!!! You have to criticaly coment this performance, not compare it to other singers and blah blah blah,,,, everyone is mostly mentionoing Callas, sooo what? She was great artist, but most people who mention her, only know her and not many other opera singers. And from the references which they have telling that she was the best they mention her over and over blah blah blah, I am sick of it. Gruberova did this brilantly and she is 62 here!!!
At least Mrs Gruberova made laugh doddsalfa, laughing is also an emotion. Allways different see and hear live or on youtube. Even easier to lough than to do simply better and seriously. (And for a long time too)
I´m a big fan of Mme Gruberova and have seen her in most parts since the beginning of her career but I didn´t LIKE her Norma, though it was technically breathtaking. I consider her one of the best singers of her time but will better remember her Zerbinetta or Elvira
She sounded great in the house when i heard her several years ago with a bell like top of power and clarity in Lucia with Shicoff, 1986 chicago she may scoop up too the top on occasion, so what many great ones did but she sounded terrific live thats all i can say.
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It's terrible for her, she must be the greatest soprano alive, she's technically perfect, but she cannot go through this kind of dramatic roles, which ask something more than perfection! She's got a lack of...i don't know ..."anima"!!!
i am in vienna, so i've heard her live serveral times in staatsoper and concerts. her zerbinetta anniversiry was SUPREME! not her norma though. when i heard her in ö1 i decided not to pay tons of money for her "oper konzertant" tour. she has an extremly powerful voice, but i just dont like her timbre she uses in dramatic roles. it just sounds like a fake...
next to gheorghiu the WORST norma ever!!! i hate the way she "drops" her voice! she has no dramatic sense whatsoever! yes, she is brilliant with the virtuoso repertoire (queen of the night etc) but PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM BELCANTO!!! your "shrill" voice is just too much for these sensitive roles! sorry...
sorry, but what does that say about anything? mother theresa got a nobel peace prize for watching poor people die and propagate christianity! big deal! edita IS a GREAT singer!!! but not a NORMA! its not enough to have technical brilliance,not enough to be (theoretically) ABLE to sing this difficult opera; if you cant bring the drama, starting from the cabaletta then please leave your hands of it! that goes for all of the other singers of today (mediocre unlike edita) who "give it a try"
I think it says a lot, I cannot sayher norma is the best norma out there, but she deserves a respect for trying it. this video is a bad example, I've watched the DVD and heard her casta diva live, and it was better. but hey, it';s ur opinion;)
Ridiculous? Great voice, great singing, great ACTING!! You've probabily never seen her Norma... (too bad!!). Watch it! Then you'll realize how Norma should be sung
Norma should be sung by a soprano sfogato (Read Stendhal's description of Giuditta Pasta's voice, Bellini wrote Norma for her) and Gruberova is a lyric coloratura. She is a superb Linda, Queen of the Night, Zerbinetta and Konstanze. But the dramatic Bel Canto roles demand a bigger, more colorful, dramatic voice. Period.
Norma should be sung by a virtuoso and dramatic soprano. Perhaps Gruberova's voice is not as "dramatic" as you (and many others) demand. By the way, I don't think that a voice itself colud make a Norma! It's the ability of a skilful singer that could make a virtuoso voice as dramatic as required for a belcanto role. Gruberova is able to do that. She perfectly knows how to use her voice in a so-difficult role. You shouldn't be so prejudiced on Gruberova's Norma! Try to watch it, instead!
I did. I saw her live as Norma too. I appreciate the effort but just don't like it one bit. Gruberova's Norma will always be controversial, I suppose.
Well, then you just don't like Gruberova as Norma. A matter of personal taste I say. You probably are used to Callas' Norma: A different kind of voice, of course!But please, don't tell me again that you like Sutherland in this role. I don't think that she made a great Norma. In every opera, but in particular in this, the words must be clearly understood, and more important, the singer must know perfectly what she is singing. That's true for Callas or Gruberova, not for Joan
Sutherland had the vocal heft, the brilliant technique and the style for Norma, esp. in her early recordings. Her diction never was her strong point but that's not enough to condemn her. She had more going for her in this role than Gruberova who lacks power, low notes...and those ridiculous "dramatics" moans she adds are a definite no go.
If you are not Italian, you can't understand! It's not good for an Italian person to listen to Sutherland: indeed, only a little bit of Italians really like her. Moreover, In my opinion, her voice was too "Vibrante"
Of course I understand diction problems, one need not be Italian to get that, some of the greatest critics (Kesting, Steane, Porter, Dragadze) weren't/aren't Italian, yet they know opera a thousand times better than you or I. Italy coined the name "La Stupenda" for Sutherland, they adored her. "Vibrante"? Explain that. She never had an excessive vibrato or tremolo.
Critics?!I don't mind critics, at all..I'm not a critic, I'm a singer, I'm a listener! Hope you don't mind them too! I think you are as wise as required to use your ears and your mind! Don't need to use critics' thoughts! Most of opera fans are not critics! Anyway, Sutherland's voice has always sounded too vibrant to me: for that reason words result less understandable and the coloratura is not so clear!(I hope you got the concept, I'm not that good at giving such explanation in English)
About Callas. She is not my favourite singer (and not my favourite Norma) because I've never liked some personal liberties she took in "rewriting" the Partitura, according to her abilities. Callas was great in acting, had a particular voice, a perfect diction and she knew perfectly her roles! She was not that good technically, and often forgot words as originally written in Librettos. In my opinion Gruberova remains the best
Callas NEVER "rewrote" a role's score to suit her voice, she was famous for being a stickler to what the composer wanted and to adhering to the ancient Bel Canto traditions going back to Pasta and Malibran. She sang Norma the way Bellini wrote it for his muse Giuditta Pasta. And she never forgot words in the libretto. Not a good technician? Her Armida defies that statement. She sang Brünnhilde and Elvira (Puritani) in the same week. She was a brilliant technician. Read what Legge said about her
Of course not an entire role! Only the most difficult parts. Just one example (but I could do more): Calls - Norma, "Ah Bello A Me Ritorna"(studio rec 1960): the OVERCUT Cabaletta, the difficult with the Gruppetti made Callas to change the tempo (Allegro) into Andante, as usual words indication are not considered and lots of words always replaced with the vowel "a" , staccati turned into portamenti!! Check the spartito yourself. Not a proof from a good techician!
First of all, the tempo was Serafin's choice, not Callas' choice. Second of all, Callas never vocalized entire words (Zinka Milanov did in AIDA) and Serafin knew the score of NORMA like no other conductor. Better than you too, I might add.
I think that is required a good knowledge of music, but not a great school to read a partitura! Please, I'm not so dunce. In the partitura are written not only notes: Words, articulation, tempo indications.. And so on. Callas always slowed down "coloratura passages"! Not a Serafin's choice. Let's be honest. A conductor adapts the score to the singer's abilities. That's why Sutherland first, then other sopranos (Gruberova for example, but also Anderson) performed the whole Cabaletta.
No, I don't! I hear a perfect LEGATO, fraseggio as written in the partitura. This is how Casta Diva has to be sung. Do you have the spartito? Do you know what a "Mordent" is and how it should be approached technically?? There are no portamenti, no jojo! I totally diagree with you. This is an example of a perfect Casta Diva technically. No one ever did better!
I feel sorry for your unmusical ears.When i first listen to Gruberova i laugh so hard i didnt belive my ears.Gruberova may be great singer,but here she sounds like a clown.
Tell me where are these sildes form tone to tone, if you like. I would like to comment them!
If you don't like her voiceprint, I could undertsand, I won't argue about that because It is a matter of personal taste. There are those who likes dramatic voice, and those who doesn't (me, for example). But please, don't tell me that Gruberova lacks of technique and Callas didn't because it is abdundantly untrue! :P
Why don't you compare the two "Sempre Libera"?? Great technical skills are required.. Then you'll understand who between the two singers is the teacher!
comparing gruberova to callas is like comparing apples to oranges, they're both singers, but original and unique in their own way. I am sorry for your amateurish point of view.
same amount of sugar, proteins and water? in one kilogram or in one piece?:D either try to catch the primar point of the sentence or look these information up on wiki!
why shall we keep comapring artists to each other? Art is so dimensionless it is a crime to conduct it in one way.
Before Gruberova I've never really liked Norma. Now she's doing it, Norma has become my Favourite opera. GRUBEROVA IS NORMA. she is a queen of bel canto. ps: Norma is not only "casta diva" (which is perfect in this video, anyway)
I can't believe that she's over the sixties now!!! Just Amazing! I'm so proud that we have Mrs. Gruberova her in Munich, where she sung I Puritani and Norma the last time, too... Viva Gruberova!!!
AVREI DI CHE DIRE SUL TANTO EQUIVOCATO PORTAMENTO.. MA IN 500 CARATTERI NON RIESCO.
FATTO STA CHE NON SONO PER NIENTE D'ACCORDO CON CIò CHE DICI. SE C'è UNA CANTANTE CHE VERAMENTE NON DEVE "CERCARSI" LE NOTE CON PORTAMENTI E GLISSATI è PROPRIO LA GRUBEROVA.
PER ME TECNICA IMPECCABILE VUOL DIRE QUANTO PIù POSSIBILE FEDELTà ALLO SPARTITO ORIGINALE. GUARDA MAGARI DI PROCURARTELO E DACCI UN'OCCHIATA... ANCHE E SOPRATTUTTO AI LEGATI! POI, SOLO DOPO, CONTESTA LA TECNICa FINCHé VUOI
Se hai la partitura sottomano perfetto! Ti faccio solo un esempio: dove sono i ribattuti sulla parola "sembiante"? La Gruberova degli anni Ottanta e` la mia cantante preferita, ma qui e` decisamente in difficolta`!
ti dico che non mi piace.. preferisco questa! Mi prenderai per pazzo ma questi sono i miei gusti... la casta diva della gruberova è "dolce" e i suoni sono legati in modo da rendere l'ascolto piacevole. guarda i video che ho pubblicato
I think she's really nothing in comparison with June Anderson. The exaggerated forte's and piano's make it a kitschy performance. There is nothing of real sensitivity in it.
this is the thing, when you heard it for the first time from a very good singer you tend to use the performance as a standard. it was good but still lacking compared to caballe (she sang a passage of the aria to me when i met her in barcelona) or to callas... but still it's better than june anderson's...especially the one with the horrendous thetrical production!
La sig.ra Gruberova è un'eccellente soprano coloratura, ma Norma non può assolutamente cantarla! Gli manca parecchio nella voce per quel ruolo... tipo la drammaticità! In particolare questa esibizione è pessima
Es ist wirklich eine eigene Version, die sich von anderen unterscheidet. Die Musikalität von Gruberova ist wohl unbestritten, ebenso wie ihre technische Finesse. Trotzdem klingt ihre Norma (vor allem, wenn man das gesamte Werk mit ihr erlebt), irgendwie künstlich, Norma ist bei ihr eher das Zwitschervögelchen und sie wird der Figur vielleicht im Ganzen nicht gerecht. Aber das ist letztendlich Geschmackssache.
Altonahh10 1 week ago
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh ooooooooooooooooh wow .... i wish to sing like this, like a nightingale...
jjilly 2 months ago
Trop génial ! Bravo et merci E. GRUBEROVA.
Noiz 2 months ago
C'est de l'ordre du miracle! Dans la voix; la lumière du satellite invoqué.
BEVER29 3 months ago
Beautiful, emotional and extraordinary for her age.
howardl22840 4 months ago
Edita is amazing. Love it.
operafan0anegnd 4 months ago
It's funny. In her older age those runs, while generally lovely, have a little less sparkle, her top is perhaps a little rougher. But the drama and stage presence is there more than ever. I love the rawness of her tone on the high sections, and that with the orchestra make this a pretty damned exciting recording.
escottster 5 months ago
Ona je jedinecna!!!!!!!!!!!
055746 6 months ago 2
Elle chante cette piéce vraiment bien et etant donné son âge á l´époque, mais je prefere quand même la "key" habituelle; est bien plus melodieuse, ce ton me semble un peu "sacagé".
pbarroso001 6 months ago
PORAZKA!:(
beatasawiniec 6 months ago
I love it when a singer can put me in a hypnotic trance...
violinistx100 7 months ago 5
love it
iosonodede 7 months ago
She sings AT it, rather than sings it. A bit long in the tooth to do an adequate job.
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so.....how many sopranos does it take to change a light-bulb ?
12 ! one to climb up the ladder , one to push her off the ladder and another ten to all say "it was too high for her anyway "......
Royalbrettania 9 months ago
breathtaking pianissimi!!!!!!
Musikcamp 10 months ago
This is fantastic singing. It is the kind of technique and voice that is only justified by an unmiced hall performance.
Webarton 1 year ago
She's wonderful!!!!! In my opinion, her voice is the best!!!! I like all of her arias!
theCloud1990 1 year ago
No , the original key is As- dur
firsova999 1 year ago
she's yodelling!
pawdaw 1 year ago
Edita sings this very well--I don't care how old she is.
georgerannie 1 year ago
So einen glasklaren KoleraturSopran - hört man selten!
Rainarr 1 year ago
Tout simplement sublime!
MERCI Edita!
miCeciliaBartoli 1 year ago
To hear the aria as it should be sung you need to go to the YouTube performance of Rosa Ponselle. Compared to her G. simply sings AT the aria, she doesn't sing it.
saagua1953 1 year ago
Runs out of breath, not enough power when needed. Her tone throughout is too light. Orchestra has to slow way down to follow her. She is getting too old to do roles like this. Retirement would become her very well.
saagua1953 1 year ago
Bellini wrote the aria in this key, and changed to a lower one to please Giuditta Pasta, the soprano for which Norma was created.... he apparently agree whit her that the lower key helped more the mood and character of the aria. In my opinion, Miss Gruberowa however has nothing to do singing this aria in this or any other key.
colonia3059 1 year ago
Painful after listening to Maria Callas and Angela Gheorghiu. Ok, she is old for a soprano, but there is a moment when you have to admit you are over the top. She still sings better than I, but I am not pretending either... Ed e' vero: le note ribattute sono veramente brutte. Probabilmente per oscurare il fatto che non puo' piu' tenere gli acuti!!!
Thehelene54 1 year ago
vicinissima alla perfezione!!!!
aNdReW16944ever 1 year ago
No matter who sings this aria, I always find the name Callas in one or more of the comments posted and I am sure that each time when somebody sings from Norma, all of us think instantly on Callas. Her image appears for a second in the front of our eyes and her voice sounds for a second in our ears. And it will always be like that. Always and forever.
AliciaDupres 1 year ago
le note ribattute sono OSCENE!!! non si canta cosi ques'aria
AAGMR 1 year ago
This great soprano continues to baffle. I have heard her live and various other venues. Sometimes she is brilliant, sometimes disappointing. This performance would have been credible but she goes flat on the top notes. I am sure she has the capacity to create this role but not on this occasion.
VMDICKS 1 year ago
Also, is it me or does she pull really bizarre and mishapeb facial expressions? LOL.
jmiller05 1 year ago
Gruberova's voice isn't dramatic enough at all for this role, it's far too quaint.
Norma was a conflicted woman, with a dark past. Caballe and Calas set the mood superbly with their versions.
Gruberova's timbre is suited for more lyrical soprano work,
jmiller05 1 year ago
pobre mujer.... o mejor dicho pobre "Casta Diva" deshecha por ésta tipa.
chilacanta 1 year ago
¡¡¡ Que mal por Dios !!!
sparafucile2 1 year ago
Einfach nur peinlich...PENIBEL!!! Schlechte Titelauswahl, Edita...Passt gar nicht zu deiner Stimme...Schlecht gesungen, zum Teil auch falsch...Peinlich!
allegra55 1 year ago
really beautiful...
merlinfan1006 1 year ago
Quelques beaux "pianissimi" (qui font penser à Caballé) ne sauvent pas une interprétation sans âme, une respiration anarchique et des notes miaulées !
stephanedp 2 years ago
very good
Will84ABA 2 years ago
Un usignolo, semplicemente incantevole, paradisiaco
SinkingForever 2 years ago
pas toujours de très bon goût dans sa façon d'attaquer les notes...
phirze 2 years ago
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Edita is wonderful!!!!!! Bravo Edita!! ( I hate Casta Diva by Monserrat Caballe,sorry)
mraweneczech 2 years ago
Semplicemente assurdo che un lirico leggero canti Norma,non esiste proprio
marilumariify 2 years ago
Sorry dont like her style she sounds like a cat at times.
gharusa 2 years ago
the bel canto divas are always the best!!! bravo Edita :D
webbersarahlover 2 years ago
Just seen her in a full "Norma" in Budapest.
Ab-so-lu-te-ly MEMORABLE!
Dakujem Edita!
696969seb 2 years ago
Looking forward to her "Norma" in Duisburg in february. I'm rather sceptic about her interpretation of Norma, but...
Pathetikos 2 years ago
I was there! It was amazing! She is a legend!
bojan34 2 years ago
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jmahlon 2 years ago
i believe this is the original key... i cant be too sure though cuz i dont have absolute pitch and i am nowhere near a piano or tuning fork... but it sounds higher than other versions here on youtube.
emililosier 2 years ago
You're wright: this is the original key. Nowadays however not often used but Gruberova does.
Hupjeflupje 2 years ago 3
Casta Diva is in A minor :)))
ahamayoisac 2 years ago
edita! *
zralokvemigraci 2 years ago
nothing can beat norma voice =\
hailprism 2 years ago
I think she is--as always--extraordinary! Such a display of technique, voice control and emotion. Brava! Brava! Gruberova!
irmarikreiman 2 years ago 4
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I don't really like this...I believe it does not suit her voice.
I prefer Gheorghiu or Anderson.
edengirl17 2 years ago
??????? really? Sorry but that's a very strange choice!
minkoss 2 years ago
you are reffering to? I see my comment as spam which is really weird..probably due to the Pc problems
edengirl17 2 years ago
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Non keen on this . I think her voice is too thin for this aria, though she has good breathing control. Her voice not full and strong enough for this aria. Callas sings it better as her voice is very dramatic.
gharusa 2 years ago
I agree, her voice sounds too brittle in this aria. Callas, Caballe and Price all sing it much better.
Bondodevil 2 years ago
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I don't think she copes well with this at all. Her high pianissimi sound squeezed
dolicimani 2 years ago
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the Legendary Gruberova became in this role totaly ridicilous :p
Lohengrin 2 years ago
Well, she was 61 on this tape, she 63 now. Tell me how much sopranos can sing at that age, and sing so well? :)
MisterSoprano 2 years ago 27
devia can do it!
MrLupo23 2 years ago
Indeed, she can. I agree. But she's 61 ;)
MisterSoprano 2 years ago 2
she can't sing the whole role though
primohomme 2 years ago
because she doesn't want to ruin her voice.
MrLupo23 2 years ago
Joan at 61! :)
ChrisStockslager 2 years ago
O, c'mon.... I realise its a matter of taste, so at my opinion, Joan could not sing like this at 61, not even before... I admire Joan in only few role (Marie in Fille du regiment,...), just don't like her style, but she was, I admit, a good singer.
MisterSoprano 2 years ago
You're right, Joan couldn't sing it in the original key at 61. But all the same, even though she had LOUSY diction and was a so-so actress, she still did have a very unique voice, like you said. I actually rather like Gruberova's timbre quite a bit, it's just the huge amount of scooping she does that turns me off of her. It just feels lazy to me. :)
ChrisStockslager 2 years ago
Don't you get tired of ignorantly repeating what your betters say just to sound knowledgeable? Joan Sutherland modified vowels and consonants to achieve perfect lines like the world has not heard before or after her. You can find an interview with her on Youtube discussing this very fact.
As for the "scooping", are you a trained bel canto singer? Portamento, it's called, is a device dictated by the style of the period. She is delicately, and deliberately, phrasing the music, not being lazy.
emeboteerf 2 years ago
@MisterSoprano this is the time at which the voice is at its most maturest.!
gmailguy101 1 year ago
@MisterSoprano Its the quality of the tone, the singing (technique) is superb. Very few have this kind of production, ESPECIALLY nowadays.
Webarton 11 months ago
@MisterSoprano Cannot agree with you more. Many criticise her, dislike her, but I don't see any soprano in the so called "new generation" that can sing better than she does. I appreciate Dessay and other coloratura as well, just not sure if they can achieve what Gruberova did when they are at the same age.
optimal798 1 week ago
Preferisco il suo registro a quello della Callas e, nonostante l'eta', non emerge alcuno squilibrio vocale ne' manierismo. Se vogliamo parlare di manierismo, avete mai visto cantare la Bartoli (che tra l'altro ha una tecnica portentosa, ma ha delle mimiche oggettivamente oscene!!!)
1baghi 2 years ago
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ha, ha, è vero!! La Bartoli è abbastanza ridicola e comica quando fa quelle facce !!!
Nemorino11 2 years ago
I saw her live performance of this opera. Her interpertation of this aria was quite unique. She presented it as a soliloquy and showed the inner part - the struggle feeling between love and nationality. That explains she shows the same 'struggle' emotion here. - you can watch her aria in the opera by the link, and you'll see.
YingYingChang 2 years ago 13
Gruberova's Casta Diva is one tone higher than we normally heard by Callas and others. Here is the original key that Bellini wrote -- in G key. Sutherlad had made a recording in this key as well. I think that's why you found it sounds different to other versions.
YingYingChang 2 years ago 7
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sorry where is the voice? callas noone like you for ever
spunnato 2 years ago
gruberova and norma...hhmm...i´m a fan of her and heared her several times,but make friends with these? of course it´s legitimate to sing a dreampart,especially at the end of a career.but she has emphasized for life,that she has respect for the part rightly and not having the demand property in her voice.she has lost these knowledge and the result is really not satisfying...
lassisimo 2 years ago
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I'm afraid this is not quite good enough.
despite really admiring her early recordings of for example Zerbinetta, I'm sorry to hear and see this.
Not enough consistent tone, pitch a bit under now and then and as you say artofbrown, rather strange facial contortions.
I'm coming up to that magic age but I hope I don't do this! I'll stop singing if I do!!
christineannemarsden 2 years ago
güzel bir yorum :-)
sovanis 2 years ago
Ogni volta che ascolto la Gruberova resto interdetto: la voce sarà anche miracolosamente intatta, la tecnica sarà pure quel portento che tutti sappiamo; ma tutto questo viene incenerito da una insulsaggine espressiva e da un manierismo delirante che ormai sono l'unica cifra espressiva della Gruberova. Che pensa che l'intepretazione si riduca semplicemente a una somma di portamenti, messe di voce, pianissimi e sospiretti. Ostentati senza alcuna coerenza espressiva. Che tristezza!
leprincebeaumont 2 years ago 2
Toda la razon del mundo leprincebeaumont!Manierismo delirante!Espantosa!!!Y es una pena porue esta señora si que sabe cantar.......
scotto00 2 years ago
This is very beautiful!
Dondinin 2 years ago
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By the way, remember that there are other wonderful singers who have the same age and are still singing gorgiously...! With a top Technique this is only natural.!
artofbrown 2 years ago
Unacceptable! Not only the Pitch problem, but her wierd "expression" shows her insecurity. Well, she never was emotional, rather mechanical! But in the Arias or roles that she sings this manierismus is getting to the nerves.! Forte-Piano, Piano-forte--is this supposed to be Art? This is only part of the technique that every singer learns, or should learn! But Interpretation should be the ultimate result! -5
artofbrown 2 years ago
Definitely "overacted"! Top tier singers should make it look effortless, but she does the exact opposite, making it look like a struggle to sing .. much less evoke the feelings of the song itself.
Astraea52 2 years ago
ma cantassero tutte così a 60 anni.. stonare è umano dopo che si canta da una vita
jovi1715 2 years ago
Unconvincing
Laeliapurpurata 2 years ago
Considering she is 61 at the time.... I think its a great achievement, lovely piani...
s99jonte 2 years ago
Por el amor de Dios, Gruberova es una delicia! hay que admirarla por toda su gran carrera, y por su lealtad y honestidad al belcanto!!!
Marinausbcn 2 years ago 2
She should never sing this...
OperaLover84 2 years ago
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Pitch problems!
nichtsleezy 3 years ago
Yes indeed!! Not sure what's happening here, she usually has no reason to worry about pitch.
KissaMyEyes 2 years ago
Her facial expressions are quite strange, sort of self-indulgent, but if she needs to do them to maintain such a healthy and beautiful sound, then we can overlook them. This is a beautiful interpretation, though she has some trouble with the melismas. What is most sucessful in this performance is the steady, youthful and surprisingly clear timbre she still has. That's indeed a great rarity.
Homoclassicus 3 years ago 4
Live from 2007!!!!!!
For an example of how to sing and keep a voice together over decades Edita can give us all a lesson or two! Can't wait to hear what she'll be doing in 2010!
filippovonreutter 3 years ago
Danke für das Einstellen der Arie! Ich sah gestern (17.1.2009) "Norma" in München von bestem Platz. Die Schönheit und Klarheit der Darbietung von Frau Gruberova war unglaublich und rührte mich zu Tränen. Da kann - leider - wie wir wissen die Aufzeichnung nur ein schwaches Abbild geben. Nochmals: herzlichen Dank!
AGAPIMOU999 3 years ago
Ich habe gestern in 3Sat die Aufzeichnung der NORMA aus München gesehen und kann Ihre Gefühle und Ihre Begeisterung nur teilen. Es war ein Hochgenuss.
au30an68 3 years ago 2
Her tone is warm, sensuous and supple. Her legato strains a bit here and there. Still, for someone over 60, this is simply amazing.
Azzenstudent 3 years ago
She sings quite beautiful! Great, great performance!
No se parece ella a Doña Tremebunda, la mamá de Yayita en Condorito?
yodavidnavarro 3 years ago 2
very nice....
poupounakis 3 years ago
La solita con i portamneti,i suoni fissi,duri,,i la ribbattuti ansiogeni e poco rotondi....pooooi manierata...E' LEI!!!!
Il canto italiano è altra cosa!!
vivaldiano 3 years ago 2
il say its good but not perfect.
Sha lacks here and there.
But overall good...
comey717 3 years ago
thanks for the insightful comment.
ah332 3 years ago
New Welcome!
comey717 3 years ago
Perfect!!!
pabloagus 3 years ago
really strong. But this is ms, cabballe's triumph and only hers.
others may be unique and wonderful, but montserrat was divine.
dirkworld 3 years ago
Yeah! Monsie was divine, celestial and earthy at the same time!
yodavidnavarro 3 years ago
Most of the conversation led here is just pathetic people!!! You have to criticaly coment this performance, not compare it to other singers and blah blah blah,,,, everyone is mostly mentionoing Callas, sooo what? She was great artist, but most people who mention her, only know her and not many other opera singers. And from the references which they have telling that she was the best they mention her over and over blah blah blah, I am sick of it. Gruberova did this brilantly and she is 62 here!!!
martinkoklingacik 3 years ago 5
Cualquier cantante tendria terror de cometer un
error de afinacion, frente a una orquesta considerada entre las mejores del mundo, ella
hace una brillantisima y pulcrisima interpretacion, gran cantante sin dudas yo la
prefiero a la Callas.
regio180 3 years ago
At least Mrs Gruberova made laugh doddsalfa, laughing is also an emotion. Allways different see and hear live or on youtube. Even easier to lough than to do simply better and seriously. (And for a long time too)
ChrisPaulPf 3 years ago
I´m a big fan of Mme Gruberova and have seen her in most parts since the beginning of her career but I didn´t LIKE her Norma, though it was technically breathtaking. I consider her one of the best singers of her time but will better remember her Zerbinetta or Elvira
AustrianAdrian 3 years ago 3
REMEMBER SHE IS 61 HERE AND HOW MANY COLORATURA SOPRANOS SOUND LIKE THIS AT 61 OR EVEN 51? She has a great voice for me anyhow.
pearlmuth3 3 years ago 3
She sounded great in the house when i heard her several years ago with a bell like top of power and clarity in Lucia with Shicoff, 1986 chicago she may scoop up too the top on occasion, so what many great ones did but she sounded terrific live thats all i can say.
pearlmuth3 3 years ago
there is "age" in her voice that can be felt by listening only.
but the phrasing is beautiful, I think.
LaKritika 3 years ago
Lo siento muchísimo... pero parece una cantante pop... no me gusta nada...
charliebestmadrid 3 years ago
No drama ; no casta diva..
only nice singing ; nice voice but it's not touching...
she's a brilliant Amina, Norina but not a Norma!
paminaase 3 years ago
Tout à fait d'accord avec vous.
jacquesurlus 3 years ago
This is a concert... not an opera... Anyway she is very touching the same!
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nmsg 3 years ago
the best diva
lesco 3 years ago 2
The most touching casta diva imho...
gigilalapu 3 years ago
right!
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
BASTA SCRIVERE CAVOLATE SUI PORTAMENTI SE PRIMA NON AVETE LETTO LA PARTITURA ORIGINALE! Grazie
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
It's terrible for her, she must be the greatest soprano alive, she's technically perfect, but she cannot go through this kind of dramatic roles, which ask something more than perfection! She's got a lack of...i don't know ..."anima"!!!
mikathelittle 3 years ago
i am in vienna, so i've heard her live serveral times in staatsoper and concerts. her zerbinetta anniversiry was SUPREME! not her norma though. when i heard her in ö1 i decided not to pay tons of money for her "oper konzertant" tour. she has an extremly powerful voice, but i just dont like her timbre she uses in dramatic roles. it just sounds like a fake...
demondiva77 3 years ago
next to gheorghiu the WORST norma ever!!! i hate the way she "drops" her voice! she has no dramatic sense whatsoever! yes, she is brilliant with the virtuoso repertoire (queen of the night etc) but PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM BELCANTO!!! your "shrill" voice is just too much for these sensitive roles! sorry...
demondiva77 3 years ago
You've probably never heared her live.
Please try (she sings Norma in Munich regularly and concertantes in Vienna) and you'll revise your opinion!!
Hupjeflupje 3 years ago
she recieved several prizes for her belcanto singing, isn't that enough?
operaeater 3 years ago
sorry, but what does that say about anything? mother theresa got a nobel peace prize for watching poor people die and propagate christianity! big deal! edita IS a GREAT singer!!! but not a NORMA! its not enough to have technical brilliance,not enough to be (theoretically) ABLE to sing this difficult opera; if you cant bring the drama, starting from the cabaletta then please leave your hands of it! that goes for all of the other singers of today (mediocre unlike edita) who "give it a try"
demondiva77 3 years ago
I think it says a lot, I cannot sayher norma is the best norma out there, but she deserves a respect for trying it. this video is a bad example, I've watched the DVD and heard her casta diva live, and it was better. but hey, it';s ur opinion;)
operaeater 3 years ago
Actually I think her Norma is the best. She is the best. SHE IS NORMA
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
She is just ridiculous.
SONIETCHKA 3 years ago
Ridiculous? Great voice, great singing, great ACTING!! You've probabily never seen her Norma... (too bad!!). Watch it! Then you'll realize how Norma should be sung
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Norma should be sung by a soprano sfogato (Read Stendhal's description of Giuditta Pasta's voice, Bellini wrote Norma for her) and Gruberova is a lyric coloratura. She is a superb Linda, Queen of the Night, Zerbinetta and Konstanze. But the dramatic Bel Canto roles demand a bigger, more colorful, dramatic voice. Period.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
Norma should be sung by a virtuoso and dramatic soprano. Perhaps Gruberova's voice is not as "dramatic" as you (and many others) demand. By the way, I don't think that a voice itself colud make a Norma! It's the ability of a skilful singer that could make a virtuoso voice as dramatic as required for a belcanto role. Gruberova is able to do that. She perfectly knows how to use her voice in a so-difficult role. You shouldn't be so prejudiced on Gruberova's Norma! Try to watch it, instead!
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
I did. I saw her live as Norma too. I appreciate the effort but just don't like it one bit. Gruberova's Norma will always be controversial, I suppose.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
Well, then you just don't like Gruberova as Norma. A matter of personal taste I say. You probably are used to Callas' Norma: A different kind of voice, of course!But please, don't tell me again that you like Sutherland in this role. I don't think that she made a great Norma. In every opera, but in particular in this, the words must be clearly understood, and more important, the singer must know perfectly what she is singing. That's true for Callas or Gruberova, not for Joan
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Sutherland had the vocal heft, the brilliant technique and the style for Norma, esp. in her early recordings. Her diction never was her strong point but that's not enough to condemn her. She had more going for her in this role than Gruberova who lacks power, low notes...and those ridiculous "dramatics" moans she adds are a definite no go.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
If you are not Italian, you can't understand! It's not good for an Italian person to listen to Sutherland: indeed, only a little bit of Italians really like her. Moreover, In my opinion, her voice was too "Vibrante"
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Of course I understand diction problems, one need not be Italian to get that, some of the greatest critics (Kesting, Steane, Porter, Dragadze) weren't/aren't Italian, yet they know opera a thousand times better than you or I. Italy coined the name "La Stupenda" for Sutherland, they adored her. "Vibrante"? Explain that. She never had an excessive vibrato or tremolo.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
Critics?!I don't mind critics, at all..I'm not a critic, I'm a singer, I'm a listener! Hope you don't mind them too! I think you are as wise as required to use your ears and your mind! Don't need to use critics' thoughts! Most of opera fans are not critics! Anyway, Sutherland's voice has always sounded too vibrant to me: for that reason words result less understandable and the coloratura is not so clear!(I hope you got the concept, I'm not that good at giving such explanation in English)
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
About Callas. She is not my favourite singer (and not my favourite Norma) because I've never liked some personal liberties she took in "rewriting" the Partitura, according to her abilities. Callas was great in acting, had a particular voice, a perfect diction and she knew perfectly her roles! She was not that good technically, and often forgot words as originally written in Librettos. In my opinion Gruberova remains the best
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Callas NEVER "rewrote" a role's score to suit her voice, she was famous for being a stickler to what the composer wanted and to adhering to the ancient Bel Canto traditions going back to Pasta and Malibran. She sang Norma the way Bellini wrote it for his muse Giuditta Pasta. And she never forgot words in the libretto. Not a good technician? Her Armida defies that statement. She sang Brünnhilde and Elvira (Puritani) in the same week. She was a brilliant technician. Read what Legge said about her
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
Of course not an entire role! Only the most difficult parts. Just one example (but I could do more): Calls - Norma, "Ah Bello A Me Ritorna"(studio rec 1960): the OVERCUT Cabaletta, the difficult with the Gruppetti made Callas to change the tempo (Allegro) into Andante, as usual words indication are not considered and lots of words always replaced with the vowel "a" , staccati turned into portamenti!! Check the spartito yourself. Not a proof from a good techician!
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
First of all, the tempo was Serafin's choice, not Callas' choice. Second of all, Callas never vocalized entire words (Zinka Milanov did in AIDA) and Serafin knew the score of NORMA like no other conductor. Better than you too, I might add.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
I think that is required a good knowledge of music, but not a great school to read a partitura! Please, I'm not so dunce. In the partitura are written not only notes: Words, articulation, tempo indications.. And so on. Callas always slowed down "coloratura passages"! Not a Serafin's choice. Let's be honest. A conductor adapts the score to the singer's abilities. That's why Sutherland first, then other sopranos (Gruberova for example, but also Anderson) performed the whole Cabaletta.
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Gruberova the best? She isnt even fit to be M.Callas student.Saying MCallas is not that good technically is ridicules:(
doddsalfa 3 years ago
Technically there is no one as good as Gruberova!
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago 2
Listen to the slide from tone to tone,its like jojo,don't you hear:)
doddsalfa 3 years ago
No, I don't! I hear a perfect LEGATO, fraseggio as written in the partitura. This is how Casta Diva has to be sung. Do you have the spartito? Do you know what a "Mordent" is and how it should be approached technically?? There are no portamenti, no jojo! I totally diagree with you. This is an example of a perfect Casta Diva technically. No one ever did better!
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
I feel sorry for your unmusical ears.When i first listen to Gruberova i laugh so hard i didnt belive my ears.Gruberova may be great singer,but here she sounds like a clown.
doddsalfa 3 years ago
Tell me where are these sildes form tone to tone, if you like. I would like to comment them!
If you don't like her voiceprint, I could undertsand, I won't argue about that because It is a matter of personal taste. There are those who likes dramatic voice, and those who doesn't (me, for example). But please, don't tell me that Gruberova lacks of technique and Callas didn't because it is abdundantly untrue! :P
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Why don't you compare the two "Sempre Libera"?? Great technical skills are required.. Then you'll understand who between the two singers is the teacher!
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
comparing gruberova to callas is like comparing apples to oranges, they're both singers, but original and unique in their own way. I am sorry for your amateurish point of view.
operaeater 3 years ago
Apples and oranges are both fruits with the same amount of sugar,protein and water.You are the amateur:)To what do you want to compare Gruberova?
doddsalfa 3 years ago
same amount of sugar, proteins and water? in one kilogram or in one piece?:D either try to catch the primar point of the sentence or look these information up on wiki!
why shall we keep comapring artists to each other? Art is so dimensionless it is a crime to conduct it in one way.
operaeater 3 years ago 3
Before Gruberova I've never really liked Norma. Now she's doing it, Norma has become my Favourite opera. GRUBEROVA IS NORMA. she is a queen of bel canto. ps: Norma is not only "casta diva" (which is perfect in this video, anyway)
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Oh PLEASE! It's always nice to be enamoured with a diva but what you're doing is fantaticism.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
thanks a lot!
BgdBen 3 years ago
hello,
What is the name of the DVD? Where can I bui it?
BgdBen 3 years ago
It was recorded from (Dutch)TV. As far as I know it's not commercially available.
Hupjeflupje 3 years ago
I can't believe that she's over the sixties now!!! Just Amazing! I'm so proud that we have Mrs. Gruberova her in Munich, where she sung I Puritani and Norma the last time, too... Viva Gruberova!!!
getschi007 3 years ago
beautiful singing
oh man her face is so funny though, she looks like a Cockerel does as it crows at sunrise. dunno why i thought of that, just what she reminds me of
ClaudioBarbato 3 years ago
Una performance piacevole, la voce meravigliosa e la tecnica impeccabile. Una vera artista.. una vera regina del bel canto. BRAVA!!!!!!!!!!
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Tecnica impeccabile? E` per questo che deve "cercarsi" le note con continui portamenti e glissandi?
sediziosevoci 3 years ago
AVREI DI CHE DIRE SUL TANTO EQUIVOCATO PORTAMENTO.. MA IN 500 CARATTERI NON RIESCO.
FATTO STA CHE NON SONO PER NIENTE D'ACCORDO CON CIò CHE DICI. SE C'è UNA CANTANTE CHE VERAMENTE NON DEVE "CERCARSI" LE NOTE CON PORTAMENTI E GLISSATI è PROPRIO LA GRUBEROVA.
PER ME TECNICA IMPECCABILE VUOL DIRE QUANTO PIù POSSIBILE FEDELTà ALLO SPARTITO ORIGINALE. GUARDA MAGARI DI PROCURARTELO E DACCI UN'OCCHIATA... ANCHE E SOPRATTUTTO AI LEGATI! POI, SOLO DOPO, CONTESTA LA TECNICa FINCHé VUOI
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Se hai la partitura sottomano perfetto! Ti faccio solo un esempio: dove sono i ribattuti sulla parola "sembiante"? La Gruberova degli anni Ottanta e` la mia cantante preferita, ma qui e` decisamente in difficolta`!
sediziosevoci 3 years ago
Purtroppo sono d'accordissimo con sediziosevoci. Non trovo affatto impeccabile la sua tecnica e i portamenti risultano insopportabili.
Diego ma cosa dici allora se ascolti la Casta Diva di Maria Callas???...
mdellavalle 3 years ago
ti dico che non mi piace.. preferisco questa! Mi prenderai per pazzo ma questi sono i miei gusti... la casta diva della gruberova è "dolce" e i suoni sono legati in modo da rendere l'ascolto piacevole. guarda i video che ho pubblicato
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
Isn't this the original key??
syrinx79 3 years ago
I think she's really nothing in comparison with June Anderson. The exaggerated forte's and piano's make it a kitschy performance. There is nothing of real sensitivity in it.
aelbers 3 years ago
this is the thing, when you heard it for the first time from a very good singer you tend to use the performance as a standard. it was good but still lacking compared to caballe (she sang a passage of the aria to me when i met her in barcelona) or to callas... but still it's better than june anderson's...especially the one with the horrendous thetrical production!
heckerebedebs 3 years ago
La sig.ra Gruberova è un'eccellente soprano coloratura, ma Norma non può assolutamente cantarla! Gli manca parecchio nella voce per quel ruolo... tipo la drammaticità! In particolare questa esibizione è pessima
squaletto75 3 years ago
QUESTA ESIBIZIONE è OTTIMA
DiegoMartinazzoli 3 years ago
She is as noble a coloratura as one could hope for. Thank you for this video of a true Diva.
raunch22 3 years ago
She actually sang this like she meant it and as though she really understood what she was singing. I say that's a dang good job. And she did it in G!
somemyrrh 3 years ago