Exactly. Jesse Glover has said ,what many people don't. Think of the influence of all the people bruce learned with. Yip Man, Wong Shun Lueng,William Chueng,Ed Parker jr., Joon Ree,Wally Jay,Dan Inosanto,and so many I dont know. That is Jeet Kuen Do.
@Daddyo94521 Something that a lot of people are unaware of (because nobody has said much about it) is that much of the way Bruce moved was heavily influenced by Sifu Fook Yueng in Seattle, Wa. Lee studied with Master Yueng longer than anyone else, and held back much of what he learned for his own reasons.
@magentov nothing that spars full contact in all ranges is a bunch of crap since you know immediately what works.What it lacks is precontact training and the concept of premptive striking.Also,ive busted my hand several times with punches even though they were effective bare knuckle,id advocate open hand shots for most people,definitely women.Joe broke from karate as early as the 70s when he studied with bruce lee and started kickboxing,he was very much an advocate of mixing styles .
mma is a sport you try that shit on the concrete on your back or on top you will see and feel the differance- any of you ass holes ever seen or herd of joe lewis that sob would hurt you and he was a shorin ryu stylist- so fuck the steroid mma shaved head ass holes of mma
@magentov lad,let me correct you there,joe lewis hasnt had anything to do with traditional karate for the last 30 years and had started to break away long before that.Ive seen all his fights ,by todays standard he was poor but great for his time.MMA is not a style or set of techs ,its a rule set allowing any tech within those rules,you wont even have to grapple on the street if you can strike hard and first.Additionally,grappling on concrete is fine ,being on knees just hurts a bit.
People in the arts are bored with this entire JKD concept.
MMA fighters have it right. Train in combat sports not martial arts. There is too much nonsense to think about including JKD. I competed in AAU tournaments for years and all the pure martial artist lost their fights to fighters like me who learned boxing, kick boxing and sport judo. We have the edge because we are not afraid to get hit, tossed or swept.
Clearcombat... you make an excellent point--nothing teaches you how to spar... better than SPARRING... nothing teaches you "how to fight"... better than going "real-time" with someone--no drills at this point, no forms, no halfway "theory" stuff... just doing it. Get results... interpret results afterward/later... learn/adjust... rinse, lather, repeat.
Sure, safety gear and training for the needs of the fighters... but YES--SPORT COMBAT in "real-time".
@clearcombat you guys do have an edge in this mordern time not the past i can tell you . but not all are afraid of gettin hit , im one of them . i learnt kick boxing for 4 years now and im going to start mixing up with trad MA . those who are afraid of gettin hit are those who take it as a hobby , self defense or For health issue .
Maybe it's just the people you know. I'm not bored with it, You must realize that people train in martial arts for a host of reasons. Some want to learn to fight, but not all. JKD and more traditional arts still have their place. It's just not for you.
Agree. What he fail to understand is the concept part period. JKD was made for real fighting. MMA influence stems from JKD. JKD concept was the first MMA, but emphasized use what is useful and adapt.
MMA competitors are unafraid to get hit because their opponents wear gloves. They are unafraid of being tossed or swept because they compete on mats. My method is modeled after Bruce's, but I spend more time practicing grappling than punching and kicking. In sparring, it usually goes to the ground, but without gloves or rules, most sessions wouldn't have. I respect what you are saying though.
The problem with MMA is it is used as definitive instead of reference. Because it's competitive, what doesn't work in the sport is discarded. They train for the sport, not the fight.
You missed the point of JKD. JKD concept is about adapting to different situations by simplifying and not thinking too much or nonsense. Bruce himself addressed this.
A kid asked Jame DeMille if Bruce Lee was the best martial artist in the world and and his Sifu took him all he knows wouldn't he have to get another instructor. James DeMille then says "Jesse can answer that"
Omg, you people read too deep into things. It was both. Bruce addressed this. Look, Bruce once believed in styles and realized that they were useless in a real fight. Tao of Jeet became that name, 'way of the intercepting fist' that was applied or way to simplify his fighting. but the philosophy part came into the equation. Bruce was both. that was his major in college.
It is important to realize that bruce lee did not Forget the groundwork of each way of fighting that he investigated. He also never left his wingchun roots. JKD is grounded in Wingchun. Freedom in movement comes from a mastery in your root. Once you master the original, you can master your body movements and flourish in JKD. JKD is MMA but an original idea and complete art that is not a art at all but a concept to teach you to be free and controlled. To Adapt with what you know.
his respect and love for all the arts maybe made him not to "let" WC in a spiritual or internal way, and his JKD also tooks some things fron WC, but he says more than once that he resign and let the WC in order to DO what he SAY ("discard what its useless to you"...etc). I like the global idea of a Bruce Lee who never left his WC in some way, but "oficially" we must admit that he did. There was no choice if he was serious with JKD.
Ditto, if people watch the uncut footage of Game of Death, they;ll understand that JKD is a MMA, but Bruce's goal as he said in the movie, "adapt" and not rehearsed predictable moves. Bruce went beyond the styles because they weren't effective.
@epics7 I'm thinking you're talking about katas when you say moves, right? That's what Lee and now many other "boundary-less" fighters are seemingly walking away from. I do agree that MMA was conceived in JKD, but MMA still does hinder fighting skills. There are certain techniques one cannot render in competition and understandably so. It's just that, competition. JKD was not made to compete, although it has and probably still does. JKD could be viewed as highly trained streetfighting.
Before Bruce developed JKD he was looking at what those fighters did,that's smart you look at what good fighters do because that is more important than forms.
the good fighters that he mentioned, based there fighting on the three forms of wing chun, forms, katas, are fighting reference points, for example if your bong sau is inefective go back to the form and re apply it, using the proper mechanics, as in the form, if correctly taught that is, ie not modified crap.
Yeah that, but it was more related to what didn't work. Even in the good arts and not actually the fighters, there were useless moves and Bruce realized this about the martial arts and realized that simply, use what is useful and adapt are the key elements.
I was at this seminar. This was in Waikiki, Hawaii, 2001.
OsirisIX 4 months ago
Exactly. Jesse Glover has said ,what many people don't. Think of the influence of all the people bruce learned with. Yip Man, Wong Shun Lueng,William Chueng,Ed Parker jr., Joon Ree,Wally Jay,Dan Inosanto,and so many I dont know. That is Jeet Kuen Do.
Daddyo94521 1 year ago
@Daddyo94521 Something that a lot of people are unaware of (because nobody has said much about it) is that much of the way Bruce moved was heavily influenced by Sifu Fook Yueng in Seattle, Wa. Lee studied with Master Yueng longer than anyone else, and held back much of what he learned for his own reasons.
shniddles 4 months ago
@shniddles
What style did Sifu Fook Yueng teach was he into wing chun??
1NX9 2 months ago
mma is a bunch of sport crap - you guys never heard of joe lewis - he was a shorin ryu karate fighter beat the shit out of all his comp.
magentov 1 year ago
@magentov nothing that spars full contact in all ranges is a bunch of crap since you know immediately what works.What it lacks is precontact training and the concept of premptive striking.Also,ive busted my hand several times with punches even though they were effective bare knuckle,id advocate open hand shots for most people,definitely women.Joe broke from karate as early as the 70s when he studied with bruce lee and started kickboxing,he was very much an advocate of mixing styles .
billysue2 1 year ago
mma is a sport you try that shit on the concrete on your back or on top you will see and feel the differance- any of you ass holes ever seen or herd of joe lewis that sob would hurt you and he was a shorin ryu stylist- so fuck the steroid mma shaved head ass holes of mma
magentov 1 year ago
@magentov lad,let me correct you there,joe lewis hasnt had anything to do with traditional karate for the last 30 years and had started to break away long before that.Ive seen all his fights ,by todays standard he was poor but great for his time.MMA is not a style or set of techs ,its a rule set allowing any tech within those rules,you wont even have to grapple on the street if you can strike hard and first.Additionally,grappling on concrete is fine ,being on knees just hurts a bit.
billysue2 1 year ago
People in the arts are bored with this entire JKD concept.
MMA fighters have it right. Train in combat sports not martial arts. There is too much nonsense to think about including JKD. I competed in AAU tournaments for years and all the pure martial artist lost their fights to fighters like me who learned boxing, kick boxing and sport judo. We have the edge because we are not afraid to get hit, tossed or swept.
clear combat fighting systems
clearcombat 2 years ago
Clearcombat... you make an excellent point--nothing teaches you how to spar... better than SPARRING... nothing teaches you "how to fight"... better than going "real-time" with someone--no drills at this point, no forms, no halfway "theory" stuff... just doing it. Get results... interpret results afterward/later... learn/adjust... rinse, lather, repeat.
Sure, safety gear and training for the needs of the fighters... but YES--SPORT COMBAT in "real-time".
greytale 2 years ago
@clearcombat you guys do have an edge in this mordern time not the past i can tell you . but not all are afraid of gettin hit , im one of them . i learnt kick boxing for 4 years now and im going to start mixing up with trad MA . those who are afraid of gettin hit are those who take it as a hobby , self defense or For health issue .
HayatoFernandes 2 years ago
Maybe it's just the people you know. I'm not bored with it, You must realize that people train in martial arts for a host of reasons. Some want to learn to fight, but not all. JKD and more traditional arts still have their place. It's just not for you.
mtb70 2 years ago
Agree. What he fail to understand is the concept part period. JKD was made for real fighting. MMA influence stems from JKD. JKD concept was the first MMA, but emphasized use what is useful and adapt.
epics7 2 years ago
MMA competitors are unafraid to get hit because their opponents wear gloves. They are unafraid of being tossed or swept because they compete on mats. My method is modeled after Bruce's, but I spend more time practicing grappling than punching and kicking. In sparring, it usually goes to the ground, but without gloves or rules, most sessions wouldn't have. I respect what you are saying though.
odin23581 2 years ago
The problem with MMA is it is used as definitive instead of reference. Because it's competitive, what doesn't work in the sport is discarded. They train for the sport, not the fight.
odin23581 2 years ago
You missed the point of JKD. JKD concept is about adapting to different situations by simplifying and not thinking too much or nonsense. Bruce himself addressed this.
epics7 2 years ago
sijo and jesse you rule
MrJohnnyaloha 2 years ago
poor Jesse looked bored to tears!
egglot12 2 years ago
what did that guy say that cracked everybody up?
mcul2112 3 years ago
A kid asked Jame DeMille if Bruce Lee was the best martial artist in the world and and his Sifu took him all he knows wouldn't he have to get another instructor. James DeMille then says "Jesse can answer that"
sifupr 3 years ago
Firstly, I dont practise JKD, but an avid follower. I think JKD is not MA, but just a MA philosophy.
reubeny1 3 years ago
Omg, you people read too deep into things. It was both. Bruce addressed this. Look, Bruce once believed in styles and realized that they were useless in a real fight. Tao of Jeet became that name, 'way of the intercepting fist' that was applied or way to simplify his fighting. but the philosophy part came into the equation. Bruce was both. that was his major in college.
epics7 2 years ago
It is important to realize that bruce lee did not Forget the groundwork of each way of fighting that he investigated. He also never left his wingchun roots. JKD is grounded in Wingchun. Freedom in movement comes from a mastery in your root. Once you master the original, you can master your body movements and flourish in JKD. JKD is MMA but an original idea and complete art that is not a art at all but a concept to teach you to be free and controlled. To Adapt with what you know.
antoine9891 3 years ago
you can apply that to any art.
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
his respect and love for all the arts maybe made him not to "let" WC in a spiritual or internal way, and his JKD also tooks some things fron WC, but he says more than once that he resign and let the WC in order to DO what he SAY ("discard what its useless to you"...etc). I like the global idea of a Bruce Lee who never left his WC in some way, but "oficially" we must admit that he did. There was no choice if he was serious with JKD.
tx0sk0 2 years ago
Ditto, if people watch the uncut footage of Game of Death, they;ll understand that JKD is a MMA, but Bruce's goal as he said in the movie, "adapt" and not rehearsed predictable moves. Bruce went beyond the styles because they weren't effective.
epics7 2 years ago
@epics7 I'm thinking you're talking about katas when you say moves, right? That's what Lee and now many other "boundary-less" fighters are seemingly walking away from. I do agree that MMA was conceived in JKD, but MMA still does hinder fighting skills. There are certain techniques one cannot render in competition and understandably so. It's just that, competition. JKD was not made to compete, although it has and probably still does. JKD could be viewed as highly trained streetfighting.
woodie62 6 months ago
@woodie62 "I do agree that MMA was conceived in JKD,"
MMA has been around a lot longer than JKD. Martial artists have been learning and mixing styles for centuries. Completely new styles arose out of it.
Is JKD the modern forerunner of MMA? Yes.
But the idea wasnt conceived in JDK because people have been doing it for centuries.
gambleyourhealth 1 week ago
Before Bruce developed JKD he was looking at what those fighters did,that's smart you look at what good fighters do because that is more important than forms.
Thanks for posting
tuzwol 3 years ago
the good fighters that he mentioned, based there fighting on the three forms of wing chun, forms, katas, are fighting reference points, for example if your bong sau is inefective go back to the form and re apply it, using the proper mechanics, as in the form, if correctly taught that is, ie not modified crap.
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
Yeah that, but it was more related to what didn't work. Even in the good arts and not actually the fighters, there were useless moves and Bruce realized this about the martial arts and realized that simply, use what is useful and adapt are the key elements.
epics7 2 years ago
seems like australia
teamtoken 3 years ago