[HD] AR15 Service Rifle Standing Practice 2009-05-10

[brianthao102]

it's funny how the comment section is filled with these Immature messages

[damattalizer]

You are like a highly efficient machine. Just watching gave me a few good pointers, one of which being: hold long, hold wrong! Thanks for the video.

[ocabj]

@damattalizer Indeed. Don't hold too long for standing. Don't be afraid to reset if the hold isn't right. Just lower the rifle, take a few breaths, and bring the rifle up for the shot again.

[stork23raz]

i am planning on starting HP matches in 2012. I got a WOA upper and been shooting local clinics, and ALOT of dry firing. I don't have a shooting jacket or anything. Any recommendations for a new shooter on how to improve my scores? Particularly standing. Congrats on going distinguished. Id like to see you do some more HP videos sometime.

[ocabj]

@stork23raz Standing is the hardest position, mentally and physically. That's why I always practice it at the range. Sometimes it's the only position I practice in a single day. Only recommendation I can give is to practice and train a lot. Find out your 'average' per stage of fire. Your goal should be to score better than that with every string of fire. While you want to shoot clean 100s, the simplest goal is to simply shoot better than you have before.

[mjmcg]

Hang on bad guy, I have to do up my straps... oh, wait just one more strap...hang on I'm almost there, let me get one round out, damn I dropped it, hang on I cant bend over with this coat on, give me a sec, dont shoot at me yet, Im not ready, is my coat on right? oh crap I forgot my glove, hang on bad guy, I'll be ready to shoot back at you any minute now...

I never saw the practical use of all that stuff, why not bench vise the gun and remote trigger pull cable it. Cripes, just stand and shoot

[ocabj]

@mjmcg Yes, standing is my weakest stage. I'm only averaging 96%.

[mjmcg]

@ocabj I've always maintained that if you need to suit up with that much gear just to shoot...then whats the sense. I know, I know...it's the discipline, but it's not pure shooting. If someone wrapped me up in plaster of paris and let me set over night and stuck a rifle in my hands I bet I'd hold a good long range group too. I'm not bad mouthing anything or anyone, just voicing my opinion on what some are willing to go through to shoot. Purify it man, lose the coat and glove and just SHOOT!

[ocabj]

@mjmcg NRA High Power Rifle is a specific sport. The rules allow for the coat and glove. People *could* shoot without the coat, but if your goal is to compete at the highest level within the rules of the game, then you should use the coat. Take Olympic smallbore. Shooters aren't going to compete in the Olympics without using the equipment they're allowed to use. Comparing HPR with Benchrest is a bit harsh. Try shooting the National Match Course of Fire sometime. You'll appreciate it more.

[mjmcg]

@ocabj I get what you're saying, I know the gear is allowed by the rules. All I'm saying is that the use of all that stuff takes away from shooting itself. It's like NASCAR allowing the use of cruise controls under their rules. At our local club's CMP shoot every spring, this father / son pair always show up with their NM AR-15's & all the fancy gear. They usually land 1st & 2nd to my 3rd and all I'm using a stock AR and NO gear. Take away their gear and they'd be nothing. That's my point.

[ocabj]

@mjmcg Trying to find 'purity' in shooting in the context of competition is a bit of an oxymoron. I guess your options are to find a different format to compete in that is more restrictive on equipment (e.g. rifle silhouette), stop caring about the 'purity' of shooting, or just quit competition shooting altogether. Frankly, the reason why I like HPR Service Rifle is because it is more restrictive than HPR Match Rifle and the field is level.

[ocabj]

@ocabj To go along the purity concept, there are some people within the HPR community that feel that we shouldn't be allowed to use handloaded ammunition and should only be allowed to use factory or even service/military ammunition or equivalent in service rifle matches. Some feel we shouldn't be allowed to use 80gr bullets in .223 because the military doesn't issue it (and it has to be single loaded / exceeds mag length). I've come to the understand that competition shooting doesn't satisfy all

[jduckett85]

@mjmcg This is how you properly practice for, and execute an NRA service rifle standing position. If the gentleman just wanted to have a plinking session, I'm sure he wouldn't gear up as much. Why don't you just shut the hell up and leave him alone?

[mjmcg]

@jduckett85 I'm sorry, did someone ask you to run your piss flaps in this exchange? Seems to me he posted a public video and left the comments box wide open to same. We've been cordially passing our viewpoints back and forth quite politely without your 2 cents. You are entitled to your side as well but to be so rude as to tell someone to shut the hell up would buy you a slap up side your head in person my friend. Nobody asked for your obnoxious interjection thank you very much.

[jduckett85]

@mjmcg I'm sorry I hurt your feelings that much, it seems like I really got you riled up... You're right the comment box is open, and I made an observation that you're an a**hole, which you clearly are. Take my 2 cents and shove it.

[mjmcg]

@jduckett85 I will, right square up your ass dickwad.

[jduckett85]

@mjmcg Such big words...

[nativedjd]

What's the twist rate on your barrel?

[ocabj]

@nativedjd 1:7"

[joeshmoe12301230]

sorry if you already answered this question, but is there any other reason than safety to single load your rounds during the standing slow strings? is it a rule?

and thanks to the creedmoor link...

[ocabj]

@joeshmoe12301230 High Power Rules stipulate slow fire is single loaded. This is probably an inherent safety rule since every shot is scored (target is pulled down and marked). So if you had rounds in the magazine and fired slow fire stage, you would have a round in the chamber while you're waiting for the target to be marked. There's no point of having a round in the chamber during this period. Best to have a clear chamber when not actually firing a round.

[ocabj]

@joeshmoe12301230 Not to mention than in standing, you're not allowed to rest the rifle on the stool, cart, or ground while a round is in the chamber.

[bsmith483]

Good solid hold. I'm watching your muzzle relative to blades of grass on the berm. You WILL clean targets eventually in matches.

[semiautoriflelover]

What would a good 5 or 10 shot group be standing slow fire with that rifle? 100 and 200? thanks.

[ocabj]

@semiautoriflelover The goal for any 10 round string of fire is to shoot a 'clean'. 10 shots, all in the 10-ring for 100 pts. Standing is more about controlling your wobble (movement of front sight) and learning your wobble. Furthermore, standing is about taking a shot immediately when you know the front sight is coming into the target black such that shot will be a 10.

[semiautoriflelover]

@ocabj Have you ever fired a perfect 10 at 200? What is the size of the 10 ring?

[ocabj]

@semiautoriflelover Unfortunately, I haven't shot a clean (100 in a 10 round string or a 200 in a 200 round string) in an official match. I've shot few 100 cleans in practice, though. But practice is far different from a match. I haven't mastered the 'mental' conditioning like the champion shooters.

[semiautoriflelover]

@ocabj I was shooting my Colt AR15 20" HBAR at 100 and 200 yards yesterday, standing slow fire and I was keeping all my 10 shots inside 5"-6" at 100 and 10"-12" at 200. This was standing regular not like a competition shooter. I want to try to stand like you and try again. My trigger is not good, just a standard 7lb trigger.

[ocabj]

@semiautoriflelover 10"-12" @ 200 is actually good. The 'black' on the official NRA 200 yard target is 13" which is the 9-ring and higher. Shooting 90's standing is not bad at all. Keep it up. A good 2-stage trigger will definitely help you a lot, though.

Good shooting.

[semiautoriflelover]

@ocabj Thanks, I've been shooting AR15s and reloading for them for 15 years but I always wanted to try to this type of shooting, it looks like a lot of fun. Is it legal to have a removable carry handle AR? I might just buy one already set up with the free float barrel and good trigger.

[ocabj]

@semiautoriflelover The flattop A3/A4 with removable carry handle is legal for NRA / CMP service rifle competitions. Check out White Oak Armament.

[ocabj]

@semiautoriflelover (continuation) In unsupported standing, you don't frame the shot for very long trying to be perfectly centered. A 10 is a 10, whether it's a dead center X or on the 10-ring line. Trying to shoot an X every shot in standing will lead to you holding the sights on target too long each time and falling out of the 10-ring when the shot is broken resulting in 9's or worse. All this said, the 10-ring on the 200 yard target is 7". So a 7" group in standing would result in a clean.

[fugstik]

Do you prefer the 1/2 or 1/4 m.o.a. sight adjustment?

[ocabj]

@fugstik I have 1/4 MOA clicks. Never used 1/2 MOA, but I think either one will serve you fine.

[fugstik]

I was wondering what width front sight post you are using. These are great video's and thanks for posting them.

[ocabj]

@fugstik I use a .052" currently. Though, I'm probably going to go up to a .062". I'm too lazy to change out my posts on my two uppers, so if I do, I'll change to the .062" post when I rebarrel.

[jesse10x]

another great video man.

[DR1826]

Highpower- the great robber of follow-through ;)

[mc2252]

Impressive...another person I can learn from...I have a long way to go.

[ericpolo]

Just curious, are you engaging the safety after each shot? I shoot HPR too, I don't find myself doing that after each shot.

[ocabj]

Yes, I engage the safety after each shot in slow fire, and after magazine removal (including between mag changes in rapid fire). While it's good practice for safety, the reason why I do it is because after I chamber the round and mount the gun and acquire sight picture and alignment, I like to pull the trigger while it hits the safety block so I get my trigger finger in the proper position.

[danpass12]

What your cartridge loading?

[ocabj]

For 200/300 yards: 75/77gr BTHP (Hornady, Sierra, Lapua, Berger or Nosler), 24.0gr RL15, CCI BR4 or Wolf SRM, LC brass.

For 600 yards: 80gr (Berger VLD or Sierra Match King), 24.0gr RL15, Lapua brass, CCI BR4 or Wolf SRM

[danpass12]

Cool. I have all your secrets now muuaaahhh.

Again, just kidding. Like the other poster I'm also looking forward to more vids. :)

[danpass12]

Nice consistency there, much like a champion golfers mentality when setting up a shot. Any target views?

You know if you rest the handguard against that support and support it with the web of your hand I'm sure you'll have a tighter grouping.

(I keed, I keed lol :D)

[23Fists]

i do it the same way he does it. and there are ppl who will say bear-hug the rifle. frankly, do what is more comfortable for ya.

[rtn1911]

I'm just getting started in High Power shooting, and this type of video helps in visualising proper technique. Thanks for posting, and I hope to see more HPR videos.

BTW, congrats on the Distinguished Rifleman badge.

[larshenrik91]

Could you do a video from the same view with your R5? Would appreciate it!

PS: You need more shooting-related posts on your blog (hence more posts)!

[asdfjkli]

What's up with your gear and hat and the stance?

[ocabj]

The gear is all High Power Rifle (HPR is a type of competition) related equipement.

The rifle is an AR15 built on a Colt Sporter lower with a White Oak Armament Service Rifle CMP/Competition upper receiver and a Geissele 2-stage trigger.

The hat is a David Tubb shooting hat. The coat is a Creedmoor 'hardback' shooting coat.

The spotting scope is a Kowa 821M with 27x LER eyepiece. The spotting scope stand is a Ray-Vin classic stand.

The stance is a proper method for standing, unsupported.

[assassin616]

luv the ocab on the stock