FOR GEEKS ONLY !!! DIY Lenticular Autostereoscopic Monitor - 3D TV by Adrian Reef

[erebusparcae]

will it do movies games? reminds me of 3ds :D

[liadon666]

@erebusparcae

3ds was announced for the first time just ONE MONTH after this video came to life....this should let us think about it.... :P

btw , no games for now... just movies (for my own personal "abuse" ) XD

[The3Dmasta]

hey liadon666,

got a breaktrough with new lensarrays on my 3d-holopics. as i told before, i worked with 4 to 6 mm lens diameter, now this new one got ONE(!) mm lenses...

watch?v=qmDPishgLxM

[liadon666]

@The3Dmasta

I watched your latest videos and I'm impressed :) you made an awesome job :D

I'm planning to make my own renderer ; did you use any software or did you make your own ?

I'm also crafting my own stamp and I made some hot-glue sheets with 2.5 mm lenses :D

Well...actually , I would buy them if the owner of that german site wich sells them answered my request.... :P

If you know him tell him to call me... :P

[The3Dmasta]

@liadon666

thanks a lot, you could imagine how difficult it was 2 cast (is it called casting? ) such a small array in epoxy ;)

2 your questions: i use 3dmax & blender with a selfmade so-called optical"plugin", the persons portraits are made from 3d-scans with selfmade scanners (laser and pattern-projection)...

a german site sells what and which german site (dont belive i know them)? let me know and see ya on the 2025 3d-geeks-which-are-better-than­-industry-congress ;)

[The3Dmasta]

watch THIS! watch?v=mlTShvIJZ5o

it shows 5000 points of view...

[liadon666]

@The3Dmasta

hey man...that's just playing....

Do you really think I'm so many hundreds of years behind FOR REAL ???

...cmon...

I just don't have money to develop MY OWN INVENTIONS....That's why I play with 1908/1909 technologies as you...

by the way...5000 ?

ridiculous...if you were talking about the millions (maybe on rolls...) then I would listen...

[liadon666]

@liadon666

also...

maybe I was the first who saw your video months ago due to the fact I'm constantly "upgrading" my own knowledge each day more... ;)

[liadon666]

I don't regret your work...I'm just saying that if I was able to make an integral image out of 5mm solar panel lenses I could easily make it out of 0.5 mm panels (or less) like you did... :P

the only problem around is always the amount of money you have in your pocket...that's why society sucks...

without even talking about patents.....damn....that's the real scam.......

[liadon666]

@liadon666

keep your inventions jealously...even if you give them for free ,someone else makes money out of them....

[The3Dmasta]

@liadon666

patents are meaningless in the 21. century, its all about to share technology for progress of mankind, thats what i think...

i mean it: patenst have do be disestablished...the time is ripe.

[The3Dmasta]

@liadon666

yeah, i was just playing too, seven years ago and it tooks me nearly 5 years to get to this point in my work.. i make them completly on my own with extremly low budget and its NOT industrial make and of course u have 5000 points of view BECAUSE thera 10.000 lenses on the array ergo 5000 stereo views... read the description...

[liadon666]

I repeat , I know how those are made.. :P

BUT what you're saying is wrong. You don't have 5000 thousands views (that's THEORETICAL)...

you must count all the pixel wich are making the picture under ONE LENS...

Those are the REAL number of views...

Cause , for example, first pixel of the first lens+ first pixel of the second lens + first pixel of the third lens ..and so on until you rech last lens will make JUST ONE VIEW :P

Now , if you made 5000 pixels under one lens THEN you may be right... :)

[The3Dmasta]

@liadon666

haha, i´m sorry...*giggle* ,yah, you could be right, but when i´m counting the pixels of the picture (means the pixel under one lens, as you say) i have also a count from between 4096 to 10000 which depends on the resolution of the print. for example a resolution of 64X64 pixel of each lens=4096 (normally the res. i worked with...)

[xivlia]

hi, i would really like to try this, i have a benq 24" monitor with 1920x1200 res. what sort of lenticular lens would i need? if you can fill me in with the info i would be soo happy :) thanks.

[liadon666]

@xivlia

what do you expect from such project ?

I mean...you can't play games with this and you cannot watch 3d movies without encoding them by yourself for your particular monitor(a task wich takes days)... :P

[xivlia]

@liadon666 hehe actually u can watch movies with arcsoft total theatre. just eanble the vertical interleaved option. but its okay im woking on a parallax barrier for my monitor :P its better then lenticular :D

[liadon666]

@xivlia "... just eanble the vertical interleaved option..."

wich is a totally different thing and I guess you knew that... :P

[xivlia]

@liadon666 yeah its for parallax barriers :P

[liadon666]

making your first print correctly is the first step into what's the "real deal" : making content !

as of yet , this technology is just a novelty (autostereo 3d tvs) and there is nothing available for these kind of monitors yet ..also , due to the fact that each of the 25 companies in game uses different viewing methods,the poor content available is limited to the proprietary format; MVC codecs are still in development and a project like this means "diving alone" :P

A strong knowledge on-->

[liadon666]

-->3d modeling softwares is also needed when you're involved with lenticular pictures (cause the vast majority of times , we need depthmaps to make an interlaced files or a stereopair from wich we can generate a depth map, wich will then make our 2..3...4...N views) .

For other kind of pictures In general , I'll suggest you to search for " SuperFlip! " on google ;)

It's a good benchmark test and helps getting lens aligned :)

Hope this helps as a start ; if you need other help , just ask :)

[liadon666]

I hope you will not get upset by this statement but you probably have some confused idea in general :P

your picture isn't clear about "which one is the centimenter"..btw , if it is as I guess you have something around 81 LPI (as you stated..around 80).

It is,probably,a typographic job; in this case there's a lot to consider regarding ppi/dpi...so much we can write an entire encyclopedia on the matter :P

*2 doesn't mean a lot..on lenticular we are not limited to 2 views -->

[spdiersoft]

I shoot some macro photos of them, then you can count the lens ribs or the original interlaced pixel columns on the print. *2 means: one for left and one for right eye.

[spdiersoft]

Hello, I've just bought a 3d relic picture from a chinese shop for about $1.7, peeled down the saints from its back and I got a 80LPI lenticular lens (which would need 160PPI display), but the best resolution of my monitor is 95.8PPI... I have to find another toy to play with :D The strange thing is: the film contains 50 lens/16mm, but the print has only 34 (*2) pixel lines in the same 16mm. Strange...

[liadon666]

wich monitor?

[liadon666]

@spdiersoft

btw , there are loads of resources about the subject; if it is that way it is probably correct if the effect works... :P

also,I quite don't get what you're trying to say..what's *2? did you scanned it to watch pixels ? how can you see 160 (or higher) ppi points with the naked eye ? Typographic prints reaches even more than 1400 PPI...also...I don't know of plastic pieces of about 80 LPI , the only commercial solution I've heard about is about 75 LPI or 85 LPI (custom lenses apart)

[liadon666]

btw , we can try to see if we can make a "flip" or a simple 3D image out of your monitor if you care about testing your hardware capabilities :)

Give me your monitor model/serial name and I'll give you the pictures ;)

[spdiersoft]

@liadon666 My monitor model is Samsung F2380 (23.6" and 1920 columns, which means 95.8 pixel/inch, so maximum 47.9LPI). For this, I would need to find a lower density lens film... I see some school workbook and other toys containing large leticular films, just have to look around in some malls and larger shops.

[latinocheech]

Also the Samsung's SCH-B710 mobile phone, supposedly came out in korea around 2007 using their tech. The interface is 3D supposedly, basically the same thing you and the ninendo 3DS do. I beleive there's even a little plastic overlay for Iphones to make them 3d. That part was what got me thinking if I could buy the same lens from someone for 55' for my widescreen 1080P screen Muhahahaha :D, that would take careful alignment and a fine quality screen, but should be completely possible.

[splach2009]

it's vevry very kiry the same as Mr Ahmadi nejad ...!

[TheSkullBreakers]

hopw to try this some time, idk when, but yes. =))) send u results if i do it soon

[TheSkullBreakers]

so? all they might have done or had to do is take a micro sensor, connect it to some glass's put a sensor to detect where u are just like a wii does, and than make the stuff change as u look around to your point of view eh. and i had a program once that detected when stuff moved on a webcam, i used it to move my mouse, probably make a program do the same for a game, but tell the game to go for a cirtain color, and wear a glow in the dark sticker on my forhead ? lool think it will work.....x.x..a

[liadon666]

yep...kind of... xD

btw...this new technology is making steps further..even in the mobile scene ( such realtime processes are a resource hog on handheld devices..) .

also, it is true you can use such technique ,but a pair of glasses are always needed for the stereoscopic visualization...and I hate pimples on my face due to some dirty/greasy glasses when in some friend's house to watch 3d stuff (the future of hangin' on)..dontcha ? ;D

[latinocheech]

@liadon666 I'd be more afraid of just letting ANYONE use them, they're like $5 glasses that they sold you for $200 and you don't know how a little punk will react to 3D if he's not used to it or decides to get cute or funny. Or for example you leave them on the couch when dinner is ready and someone sits on them. Autostereoscopic is definately the way to go.

[CEWAbenteuern]

@TheSkullBreakers You can combine Johnny Lee's Virtual 3D tutorial with this. The most challenging part would be making a "driver" for OpenGL and/or DirectX.

[liadon666]

@CEWAbenteuern

Actually , it shouldn't be that hard... ;)

The real problem is : why would you block it to one person while it currently support 3 viewers (and more if the share same "hot spot" while making some steps away from the screen)?

No doubt it can be a joy , but "comfort" and "usability" are fundamental keywords in the market ;)

(IMHO)

[latinocheech]

@CEWAbenteuern You don't need to. nvidia already does this, and with older drivers they supported many 3d modes. Also some 3rd party companies do this as well, although nowhere near as good, but with more 3d technology options

[CEWAbenteuern]

@latinocheech Are there any drivers that allow you to set the LPI? If a driver is set up for a 40 LPI, and your lens is only 10 LPI then it won't work.

[latinocheech]

@CEWAbenteuern Explain to me how LPI works and I can let you know. From what I gather, it's basically vertical interlacing that would be the correct method. I'm not sure if there are settings to align the 3d vertical lines in software so that they could match your lens in both line thickness and starting points. I know nvidia used to supposort some odd modes back in the day, but your best chance is a trial of "DDD's Tridef". Google it, it wont let me post a link for some reason

[latinocheech]

That software comes with a few components, one is a driver for playing 3d games. I would say it's about as good as nvidias, but with a lot more 3d options at the sacrifice of some framerate. There is also a 2D-3D upconverting video player that came out before 3d tv's. It doesn't work that well, but then again I was trying it out on an LCD TV, and I was hacking all kinds of stuff together to achieve this. The effect was 3d kept coming and going like a sine wave. but it should be good for you.

[1stAreo8]

How's the 20 lpi lens coming along?

[liadon666]

just came back from vacation...I decided to buy a 30 lpi as soon as I receive a payment from a client ; stay tuned :D

[liadon666]

@liadon666

wich didn't payed.......life is funny....

(note for myself : never decide to be a graphic designer for a living cause people sucks and never make something for someone before even touch any cash at first.....)

[liadon666]

@1stAreo8

Just finished !! :)

8 views and a 3D-WSVGA resolution from a 1080p 37" monitor :D

HD VIDEO coming soon ; but I'll post it when I'll be ready with some GOOD content (I'm testing 3d videos and general quality of the screen right now)  ;)

[liadon666]

if you don't worry about destroying you poster ... :)

but before doing that , there's a lot to study before being able to make anything out of it I gues...

come back later ;)

[Sxemouboy]

whuhahahah tits in 3d *.*

xDD

[liadon666]

@Sxemouboy ahhaah ROFL !!!

well , that's nothing compared to the possibilities ;)

[crustea]

waw, very exciting ! Where did you get the lenticular screen with the right pitch ?

[liadon666]

I just used a 10 lpi lens.

There's no need for a "right pitch" if you know how to calibrate your monitor ;)

I started a website on the matter ( link on my channel page )

It is still under construction due to an event we're advertising in those days , but it is almost ready to "take off" ;)

stay tuned :)

[mbarry6]

where did you order the lenticular lens from? Ive been searching everywhere!

[1stAreo8]

I see you put this back up. Have you made any progress with the website you're making?