[continued] ...palestinian militants are Terrorists bcoz they Target women&children. civilians are Not accidentally caught in the crossfire, they R the target for them - as they say, they want to kill every jewish man, woman & child. That's terrorism. int' law Does apply. israel should only give back the territories when its neighbours cease to threaten them - this is specifically according to the int' Law.
to commenter 'peaceforMidEast' - yes, arabs oppressed jews for millennia. the land of israel has been occupied by virtually every empire in history, palestinian arabs Never in history had a country there. they even regarded themselves as southern syrian arabs, the term "palestinian" is fairly new. the jews/zionists had every right for independence & if u disagree, ur saying the jews are the only nation on earth who don't have the right of self-determination in their homeland. [continued]
It was more than 8000 rockets, meanwhile it is already 10000. Some were even before the disengagement in 2005, but the evacuation of Gush Katif caused increas of 2-3 folds in launching rockets (by claiming they are home-made Palest. actually admit their houses are ammunition factories..). However it enabled also smuggling of long range missiles through tunnels. // Israeli reaction was not proportional: it was too small!! Proportional reaction is a reaction that makes Arabs return to desert!!
Thanks Geralt666 for censoring freedom of speech!! Looks like u are no different than Kim Jong-il!! U are a pathetic person. Why not rebut each and every of my points with facts, rather than delete my comments?! Or is it u have nothing concrete to say??
@PeaceForMidEast The facts are in the video above. What u have posted here were not facts but a bunch of truth twisting statements based on liberal propaganda. I dont have time to address all of them. U want a constructive discussion - pick one statement of yours and lets dig in.
Your comments looked like copy/paste from some CAIR funded website. This is no place for such unbased accusations.
@Geralt666 'were not facts but a bunch of truth twisting statements based on liberal propaganda.'? Come on, dont just dismiss everything I've said simply as 'trust-twisting statements'. Prove it! 'copy/paste'? U've probably not read all my comments. What? U dont have time to address everything? Fine, I'll give u the privilege to pick one statement that u've read from my previous comments and we can have a constructive discussion.
@PeaceForMidEast OK, lets just take the first statement u posted so u wont say I just picked the one that suits me.
"1) Int' law doesn't grant Israel the right to maintain its illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories."
From dictionary . com : "occupation - the seizure and control of an area by military forces, esp. foreign territory." Thats occupation. What Israel is doing is not occupation. IDF is not present in Gaza or in WB. IDF patrols the borders, not controlling their land.
@Geralt666 According to the int' law, Israel is still the occupying power in E Jerusalem, WB and Gaza. The fact that u would argue ' IDF is not present in Gaza or in WB' shocks me. I would only expect, at most, u claiming that the IDF is not in Gaza. But the IDF is not in the WB??? They are only patrolling the borders? Looks like u got ur fundamentals wrong here.
@PeaceForMidEast There is not one IDF soldier in Gaza - if anyone says otherwise he is a liar. E Jerusalem was conquered in a war and the country that owned it (Jordan) gave up this territory after their loss. Which makes it legitimate Israeli territory. In WB IDF only patrols the buffer zone, a stripe of land bordering Israel, to not let militants get near Israeli borders.
@Geralt666 The fact: Yes, there are no Israeli soldiers or settlers inside Gaza. But Israel maintains absolute control over Gaza's airspace, sea and land borders (except the one at Rafah). That is considered occupation under int' law. That's a fact and you cant change it. Second, under int' law, E Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian Territory, a fact u cant change.
Second: Since Israel doesn't control all the borders not in Gaza nor in WB, Its not occupation. According to your logic Egypt and Jordan are as much occupier as Israel.
Third: Since all pallys do is building rockets and randomly fire it into Israel, Israel has the full right to prevent such behavior by not letting any weapons into Gaza or WB. U would have done the same if Mexico started firing rockets into California.
@Geralt666 1) UN Res., all countries except Israel, recognise E Jerusalem, WB and Gaza as Israeli-occupied Palestinian Territories. Int' law defines an occupier as one that controls the borders of other territories and restrict the movement of the occupied people.
@Geralt666 2) Egypt closed its border with Gaza but it never had any control of its airspace/ nor has it conducted any raids inside Gaza or even step foot into Gaza. The same with Jordan. 3) Ur analogy of Mexico and California isn't valid at all. U have ignored one basic element (again): The U.S. does not occupy Mexico, while Israel occupies Gaza.
@PeaceForMidEast US would occupy Mexico very quickly if even one rocket was fired into US. Israel had 3000+ rockets and countless suicide bombings before. Israel has the full right to prevent such attacks in the future.
@Geralt666 Which one comes first? The Israeli occupation or the rocket fire? Get ur sequence of events right. Using ur same example, if the U.S. occupies Mexico, then surely the Mexicans have a right to resist occupation and fight back? When would u even recognised that there is an illegal occupation going on? When will u recognise the Palestinians' right to resist occupation?
@Geralt666 I recognise Israel's right to self-defense. But is crushing the resistance offered by the people it is occupying purely an act of self-defense? Or is it an act of defending itself against the consequences of maintaining an illegal occupation, an act to defend its illegal occupation? Look both sides, and recognise the Palestinians' right to resist illegal occupation and self-determination.
@PeaceForMidEast . Yep, the same Pale line. "The Pales have a right to defend themselves against illegal occupation (thus supporting Arab terror)." Really? Then what were they doing before the "Occupation"? Resistence? Against what an occupation? Nope. Terrorizing a legit state, and as their leaders often said "to exterminate the Jews"? You guess it. Ahhhh we really need to study the Nazi roots of Arab terrorism, and stop making excuses for them.
@sugarhitman Hi joker! It is very convenient to simply dismiss resistance to an occupation as 'terrorism', just as the British labeled the Indian resistance as merely 'terrorism'. Just think abt this: Do u agree with Hitler when he labelled the Warsaw ghetto uprising as 'terrorism'? I would urge u to study this conflict in depth and not dismiss everything as simply...'terrorism'.
@PeaceForMidEast There you go again comparing Israel's defensive war with Nazi Germany, do you support Hitler's Holocaust? And there is a difference between the Warsaw uprising, and the Palestinian terror operation....it is the Palestinians and the Arabs who seeks to exterminate the Jews, it was the Pales. who terrorized a pre-67 Israeli state. The comparing Palestinian terrorism with the Jews of the Holocaust belittles the actual Holocaust or worse, reflects one's support of it.
@sugarhitman No, I dont support Hitler or the Holocaust, that's why I compared Nazi Germany's occupation of Eastern Europe with Israel's illegal occupation! Both Warsaw uprising and the Palestinian Intifada are the same: they are both resistance, born out of a natural response, by a besieged and occupied people against their occupiers and oppressors. The comparison of Israeli policy critics with anti-semitism insults the memory of the Holocaust.
@PeaceForMidEast If thats true then why did the Palestinians terrorize a legal Israel before the "Occupation"? The Jews did not call for a Holocaust of the Germans, so the Germans had no justification for their actions. The Palestinians TRIED to exterminate the Jews without provocation.....so your little comparison is a very twisted one...which probaly reflects a support for Hitler's Holocaust and hatred for Jews.
@sugarhitman I've alr explained to u why the Palestinians resist and attacked pre-1967 Israel. It is u who have not read my replies to u and I would not repeat my answers over and over again. 'Palestinians TRIED to exterminate the Jews without provocation'? Are you sure things are that simple? That Palestinians one day simply cannot do without killing Jews?
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! Wrong! Thanks to German declassified documents we now know that the Nazis were funding the Arab Riots led by Haj Admin leader of the Arab Nationalist Movement. The Palestinians were attacking Jewish settlements in the 20's well before any "evictions" or "occupation". The Arabs had as a goal the extermination of the Jews simply due to Arab antisemitism...which is proven by the abundance of documents.
@sugarhitman HAHA...hey sugarhitman, though I disagree with ur nonsense, I must say I really enjoy talking to you. Ur endless nonsense, like water coming out of a tap, is pure entertainment to me. I also enjoy educating u, although I'm much younger but more well-informed.
@sugarhitman But all good things doesn't last forever. It is to my regret that I would cease receiving/ responding to ur entertainment. Maybe u can handle ur urge to crap by talking to other ppl who share ur love for entertainment? In any case, thanks for ur entertainment and a big GOODBYE!
@sugarhitman How is my comparison btw the Nazi occupation of E Europe and Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories a twisted one? Explain it, or stop making baseless accusations at me. 'which probaly reflects a support for Hitler's Holocaust and hatred for Jews'? Keep playing the slander card and the Holocaust card...it wont work.
@PeaceForMidEast Those who accuses Israelis of being Nazis is a slap in the face to Jews. This is motivated by antisemitism and belittles the actual Holocaust. However much you want to deny it...its true. Its no accident that Communists and Islamic-Fascists started this twisted analogy.
@sugarhitman BTW, Israel is not fighting a 'defensive war' when it crushes Palestinian resistance. Its actions are merely an act of defending itself against the consequences of maintaining an illegal occupation, an act to defend its illegal occupation.
@PeaceForMidEast Really? So I guess Israel was not defending itself before 67? Before the "Occupation"? What were Palestinians "resisting" before 67? Is that resistance or aggression? Why were Palestinians killing the Jews even before Israel was founded? Is that "resistance"? The Palestinian cause is unjust...there is no justification for any of their historical attacks on Jews.....which continues to this day.
@sugarhitman Israel was defending itself b4 '67, bcos they are a UN member and is thus considered legitimate by the same institution u are condemning today. So why do Palestinians attack the pre-67 Israel then? What were Palestinians "resisting" before 67'? I've addressed this issue alr, pls even bother to read them.
@sugarhitman 'Why were Palestinians killing the Jews even before Israel was founded?'? Why are u ignoring the Zionists' killings of Arabs and eviction of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, half of them even b4 May '48? 'The Palestinian cause is unjust'? U mean a fight for ur right to self-determination and ur right to resist occupation is 'unjust'??
@PeaceForMidEast The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin (February 19, 1949). I just love old Arab newspapers. There are so many confessions by the Arabs enough to fill 5 pages, and yet the lie that Israel is responsible for most of the Refugees continues. You want more sources?
@sugarhitman 'which continues to this day'? No sensible person would expect an occupied people to surrender and stop resisting as long as the illegal occupation continues... ( maybe except ppl like you, that is) and the illegal Israeli occupation continues to this very day..
@PeaceForMidEast So why were Palestinians attacking Jewish settlements in the 20's long before any "evictions" or "occupation"? And those settlements were est. on land purchased by the Zionists....Or are you telling me the Palestinians had a right to attack, I mean "resist" these settlements?
@sugarhitman The Palestinians resist and attacked pre-1967 Israel bcos they were forced to become refugees by Israel in 1948, when the Zionists wanted to create a Jewish-majority within the UN Paritioned-Israel , despite the fact that Arabs were the majority of the land.
@PeaceForMidEast So you disagree with "int. law" that supported a Jewish state in 48? "But its int. law". LOL! The fact is that it doesnt matter if the Arabs were the majority on the 20% allotted for Jews, because 1. They were recent immigrants themselves. 2. The Jews payed for the land Israel was founded on....it belonged to them. 3. Britian curved 80% of Palestine for the "Palestinians" who are 80% of Jordanians today.
@sugarhitman No, I don't. I've got respect for int' law unlike you. The UN Partition Plan was approved by the UN, and was designed to solve the Arab-Zionist conflict. But I do disagree with the Zionists' illegal actions in evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs to make way for a Jewish-majority within the borders of the new state of Israel. There's no contradiction here.
@sugarhitman 'the 20% allotted for Jews'? FYI, the Jews were given 55% of the land despite the fact that they were the minority on the land, not 20%! Where did u get the 20% crap from? I've addressed ur invalid claim that most Palestinians were there bcos 'they were recent immigrants'. I wont repeat my answers, pls bother to read them.
@PeaceForMidEast Dude. Palestine included Jordan, which was given 80% of Palestine, with 20% alotted for the Jews...this was during the British Mandate. And nearly 10% of the 20% was purchased by the Zionists (around 500,000 acres) not including the Negev. Jordan is the Palestinian state created to absorb the Palestinian Arabs....but they got greedy and desired the 20% left for the Jews.
@sugarhitman 'The Jews payed for the land Israel was founded on....it belonged to them'? On the contrary, Arabs owned 90% of the private land in mandatory Palestine. U can check this for urself. 'Britian curved 80% of Palestine for the "Palestinians" who are 80% of Jordanians today.'? Be glad that I'm still talking to a person like u who dont even recognise the existence of the Palestinian people.
@PeaceForMidEast. LOL! The Brits did a survey and found out that 65% of Palestine was "state owned land". The Arab peasents owned less then 13% of Palestine (which includs Jordan). Most of that land was Ottoman owned with wealthy private landowners behind them. The Jews bought about 10% which their tiny state was founded on.....the Arab peasents were not landowners but tenents.
@sugarhitman The reason why Palestinians/ Palestinian descendants constitute a big portion of Jordan's population is not bcos Palestinians are somehow Jordanian anyway, but bcos many Palestinians fled to Jordan in the 1948 war.
@PeaceForMidEast Palestinians who fled to Jordan were simply going back from which they came. Jordanians are Palestinians, and Jordan is the Palestinian state.
@sugarhitman Hmm..interesting point...then aren't many first-generation Israelis actually Europeans themselves, given that they immigrated in masses to Palestine in the 30s and 40s to escape Hitler's Germany?
@sugarhitman The Palestinians definitely have a right to resist the Israeli state since its founding in 1948. Tell me this: in mandatory Palestine, are the Arabs a minority and the Jews a majority? In the Zionist effort to create a Jewish-majority within the Israeli borders under the UN partition plan, hundreds of thousands of Arabs were evicted to Gaza and the WB. Otherwise, how else can u create a Jewish-majority in the new Israeli state?
@PeaceForMidEast As Winston Churchill noted, newly Arab immigrants were flooding into Palestine during the Zionist Agricultural Movement. The land Israel was founded on consisted of those settlements created on Jewish owned land, and the Negev Desert. The Arabs had no right to claim that land as theirs, and certainly are not justified in attacking a legit. Jewish state. One moment you uphold "int. law" and now the Arabs "have a right" to attack a legit. pre-67 Israeli state.
@sugarhitman Why would u deny the Palestinians' right to resist and their right to return to their homes in modern Israel? Yes, I uphold int' law but u have forgotten that it is the right of any people to fight against occupation and people who driven them from their homes! There's no contradiction here. The UN recognises Israel but the Palestinians also have the right to resist their occupiers and people who evicted them.
@PeaceForMidEast. Palestinians hostiles do not have a right to return to homes in Israel they never owned in the first place. The land they were working on was JEWISH OWNED...payed for with Jewish funds during the Agricultural Movement, and yet in 1964 the newly created PLO was claiming that pre-67 Israeli land belonged to them. This claims is still active despite the fact that it is legally Jewish owned land.....greed, greed greed.
@sugarhitman haha really? I've addressed the 'Jewish owned the land' claim from you. Read my previous comments and u'll know this post of urs is nothing but full of crap.
@sugarhitman Why would u deny the Palestinians' right to resist and their right to return to their homes in modern Israel? Yes, I uphold int' law but u have forgotten that it is the right of any people to fight against occupation and people who driven them from their homes! There's no contradiction here.
@PeaceForMidEast Oh brother, you are contradicting yourself. You are saying that Israel is a legal state, then you say Israel is an occupier.....even in 1948. When people contradict themselves like this, it usually means they are lying. But this is typical of the anti-Israel crowd evoking "int. law" when it supports them, and disregard it when it doesnt. Just like all the US member states do.
@sugarhitman No, in fact, I've explained why there's no contradiction at all. 1) I didn't say Israel was an illegal state. In fact, I've on numerous posts recognise Israel bcos it is a UN member. 2) I also recognise the Palestinians' right to self-determination and their right to resist an illegal occupation, but u wouldn't do that anyway.
@PeaceForMidEast You are contradicting yourself...You cant believe that Israel is both legal and illegal...that doesnt make sense. You said that even pre-67 Israel was illegal and that the Arabs had a right to attack her. LOL! Like I said contradictions usually means LYING. You dont support int. law no more than I do.
@sugarhitman I'll repeat my posts since u have got the disability to read. I've explained why there's no contradiction at all. 1) I didn't say Israel was an illegal state. In fact, I've on numerous posts recognise Israel bcos it is a UN member. 2) I also recognise the Palestinians' right to self-determination and their right to resist an illegal occupation, but u wouldn't do that anyway.
@sugarhitman U can read this: 3) The fact that I told you Israel has committed illegal actions, in evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs to make way for a Jewish-majority ( FYI there's no Jewish majority in mandatory Palestine in '48, smth u would never accept), doesn't mean that I view Israel per se as an illegal state.
@sugarhitman 3) The fact that I told you Israel has committed illegal actions, in evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs to make way for a Jewish-majority ( FYI there's no Jewish majority in mandatory Palestine in '48, smth u would never accept), doesn't mean that I view Israel per se as an illegal state.
@PeaceForMidEast By saying that Israel was illegally set up by "evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs" off land that "was owned 90% by the Arabs" (which isnt true by the way, more lying on your part) and that Arabs had a right to attack her pre-67 you are saying that Israel is an illegal state from its inception. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that. You dont support int. law....u use it to attack Israel like a tool..thats it.
@sugarhitman When ppl like you claim and insist there's a contradiction in your opponent's case, when time and time again that contradiction has been explained and proven to be non-existent, it usually means you are trying to create a contradiction out of nowhere to hide ur ignorance and ur failings in making ur case.
@sugarhitman But this is typical of Israeli policies' apologists, doing things like invoking the Holocaust and anti-semitism to shield and suppress legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. But that's fine; we can handle such ppl easily.
@PeaceForMidEast No. Actually it is typical of antisemites to hide behind "int. law" and other rhetoric to slander Israel and Zionist Jews...Legitimate criticism is one thing, fabricating history, and slanderous lies against the Jewish state is another...which is motivated by hate...not a sincere desire for peace (as they often claim).
@sugarhitman Give me one legitimate criticism u have on Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories? 'fabricating history, and slanderous lies against the Jewish state'? The statement that Israel is maintaining an illegal occupation, turning Gaza into an open-air prison, denying the Palestinians' right to self-determination isn't fabricating history; it's legitimate criticism.
@PeaceForMidEast. Illegal Occupation? Arabs never owned Palestine. Even your precious 242 does not mention the Palestinians in the negotiations.....these laws were later reinterpreted to benefict the newly created Paletinian nationality. Israel has a right to defend against Islamonazis dedicated to exterminating Jews. The suffering of the Palestinians is the result of their own evil agenda, stop the terror than you will have peace.
@sugarhitman ok, bigot. I've got ur point, and they are no different than the others u've made.I wish to mind u that I'm not in the business of educating bigots or supremacists like u. So from now on, u can say whatever u want, but I'll only reply to those comments of u which possesses a tinge of reality. I need to save time and spend it more productively than to speak with a nutcase. Do u understand or do u need me to explain in detail what I meant??
@sugarhitman 'stop the terror than you will have peace'? Peace? U mean peace for Israel and Israel only? Bcos what Israel eventually wants, looking at its decades-long policies in the PT, is the eventual annexation of the PT. Under the so-called 'peace', Palestinians are not to resist in anyway as Israel annexs their land and evict them from their homes. That's the peace that the Israeli govt is talking abt. Not a just peace, just a peaceful occupation.
@PeaceForMidEast Oh..is that what that is "resistence"? Well what was it during the midages, and pre-48, when the minority indigenous Jews were oppressed by the Arabs? Was that resistence or oppression? Was it an "Occupation" when Jews were forced to watch as Arabs took over their land and Holy sites, while at the same time barring them from their most Holy site? Nah, because in your twisted little mind "its Arab land."
@sugarhitman Also, u dont even recognise that there is an illegal Israeli occupation going on in the PT. And talk abt Israel having the right to defend itself, while at the same time ignoring the Palestinians' right to self-defence. Talk abt Israel being threatened by 'Islamonazis' while the reality is that the Palestinians are being slowly, but surely, strangled to death by the Israeli occupation (settlement, blockade). Isn't that the standard definition of a hypocrite?
@PeaceForMidEast Yeah, its Occupation when you est. yourself in the land that was always home to your people who dared to remain there in the face of Islamic oppression. Yeah it was wrong for European Jews to liberate those Palestinian Jews who lived under Islamic tyranny for centuries. We read how Pales, raped, murdered, robbed, and dicriminated against these Jews for centuries....just because they were Jews.
@sugarhitman So,Palestinians have been oppressing and occupying Jewish land for centuries? The Zionists were holy moral in their fight for independence? The Palestinians rejected living under Israeli rule and thus they are terrorists? Int' law doesn't apply here in Israel bcos Israeli objectives are more impt than its obligations as a UN member? I'll let u have the last word. It's May 15 and a big goodbye!
@PeaceForMidEast Muslims have oppressed Jews for centuries. There was no Palestinians then, because that invention of a new nation that never existed is just a new propaganda trick of the Arabs. Israel was TOO GENEROUS to negotiate peace with the Nazi-Arab enemy but one cannot make peace with Nazi ideology that wants to annihilate you. When Arabs shell Israel and call to destroy it ISRAEL HAS ALL RIGHT TO REACT IN ALL FORCE: ENEMY SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH: NO APOLOGY !!!
@sugarhitman Notice I have not condemn the whole Jewish people; I didn't call them names like 'sub-humans', like what the real anti-semite Adolf Hitler so often did. I merely criticise Israel's policies, and that's hardly anti-semitism. The fact is that u know I'm not anti-semitic and that whoever who criticises Israel's policies, and not the whole Jewish people, are not anti-semitic.
@PeaceForMidEast Thats what critics usually say "Im not antisemitic" but their irrational criticism of a people fighting against IslamoNazi terror while supporting this terrorism shows their true nature. Antisemitism wrapped in left-wing rhetoric. If they were really for peace, then Hamas would be equally criticized as well rather than excused...There is no justification for Arab hatred of Jews, that existed long before Israel's rebirth.
@sugarhitman Anti-semitism means a prejudice/ attack on all Jews and only bcos they are Jews. Point out to me where I did condemn all Jews just bcos they are Jews and I'll not dispute ur baseless accusation that I'm an anti-semite.
@sugarhitman ' irrational criticism of a people fighting against IslamoNazi terror while supporting this terrorism shows their true nature. '? A simple reply to this crap: is the world being irrational when it criticises the IDF's use of white phosphorus in densely-populated residential areas and hospitals in Gaza?If ur ans is yes, then thanks for reinforcing the readers' belief that u are a hypocrite.
@sugarhitman haha, btw, u cant even point out one example of me condemning all Jews (the real anti-semitism definition)!!! Ur baseless accusation that I'm an anti-semite is dismantled by not only me, but even urself now!
@sugarhitman But the reason why u chose to label Israel's critics as anti-semitic is bcos u love to hide behind the evil of real anti-semitism to suppress legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. U and I know it; the only difference btw us is that I talk it out, while u chose to remain silent abt it.
@sugarhitman I recognise the state of Israel bcos it is a UN member. I recognise the Jewish people's right to self-determination. But I would never, as everyone else (except Israel) does, accept Israel's illegal occupation of the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem. I would never deny, as u do, the Palestinian people's right to resist an occupation and their right to self-determination.
@PeaceForMidEast. You recognise the state of Israel? But you just wrote that the Arabs because they were the majority (thanks to new immigrants), had a right to attack or in your words "resist" a pre-67 Israeli state....thus on one hand you seem to be saying Israel is an illegitimate state and on the other a legitimate one. Why the contradiction?
@sugarhitman. Why the Contradiction? Simple, because you justified Arab terrorism against Israel because of the so-called "Occupation" which "int. law" which you strongly support, condemns. But when I showed you that Israel was being terrorised before 67, and was recognized by Law to be a legit. state, you are forced to go against "int. law" by claiming that Israel was created illegally in 48 by "int. law". You see everyone uses or disregard int. law for his own reasons.
@sugarhitman What I'm saying is that yes, Israel has forcibly evicted hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 948, and that is illegal. But does that illegal Israeli action make the whole state of Israel an illegitimate one? No! The reason why u think there's a contradiction is bcos u feel that rights should only be exclusive to Israel and not the Palestinians. When did I ever say Israel is a illegitimate state?
@sugarhitman What I'm saying is that yes, Israel has forcibly evicted hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 948, and that is illegal. But does that illegal Israeli action make the whole state of Israel an illegitimate one? No! The reason why u think there's a contradiction is bcos u feel that rights should only be exclusive to Israel and not the Palestinians.
@sugarhitman There's no contradiction. The fact is that the UN has recognised Israel. No one who follows int' law can dispute that, and certainly not me. But it is also true that under int' law, the occupied have the right to resist occupation and fight for their rights: the right to return to their homes after being evicted by Israel.
@sugarhitman Yes, I disagree with the harsh Arab rhetoric of 'driving the Jews to the sea'. But would you also disagree with Golda Meir when she denied the very existence of the Palestinian people? Would you disagree with Avigdor Lieberman who called for the expulsion of Israeli Arabs? Would u disagree with the extreme right who called for the total expulsion of Arabs to Jordan?
@PeaceForMidEast Golda Meir is right, there is no Palestianian people. Even your beloved res.242 makes no mention of "Palestinians" in fact those land for peace deals, were to made between Egypt and Jordan who had lost those territories. Palestinians are simply Jordanians and Egyptians, who migrated to Israel during the Agricultural movement. Britian created a state for them...its called Jordan.
@sugarhitman Res. 242 makes no mention of Palestinians? A word of advice for you: read the UN Res. 242 from the UN website, not any Zionist website, yeah?
@PeaceForMidEast. How dishonest. "Palestinians" are nowhere mentioned in Resolution 242, (The UN website says "the Council decided to invite the representatives of the United Arab Republic, Jordan, and Israel"). Res. 242 concerns only these parties at the time it was drafted: "Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Israel". 242 call for giving Gaza to Egypt, and the West Bank to Jordan..not to Palestinians.
@sugarhitman Yes, the Zionist version of UN Res. 242 did not mention the word 'Palestinians', but the UN one did refer to the Palestinian people, who only recently then was under Egyptian and Jordanian control. That explains why u believe I have a reason to be dishonest abt smth as widely-available as the Res. 242.
@PeaceForMidEast Oh now the "Zionists" has their own versian of 242? Nevermind the fact that Res. 242 makes no mention of Palestinians anywhere in that document, a document that called on Israel to restore the W. Bank and Gaza to Egypt and Jordan "territories acquired through war" by these 2 countries in 48. Yet the UN said nothing about this illegal anexxation...until Israel acquired these territories....More UN bias
@sugarhitman More UN bias? Cry 'UN bias' whenever Israel gets criticised for its illegal actions and see if the world would any longer accept ur lousy tactic of suppressing legitimate criticism of Israel.
@PeaceForMidEast I love it how leftist cries "I dont hate all Jews I just hate Zionists"..sssuuurrreeee. In the more supposedly civilized age...antisemites have wrap their Jews hatred in politically correct terms.....but under it lies that old antisemitism that has plagued the word for over 2000 years.....Its no accident that Israel a state filled with the most hated people on earth is under attack. So yes, when you support Islamonazi attacks on innocent Jews....you are an antisemite.
@sugarhitman Hmm...care to explain how u came to the conclusion that I'm on the left? Cos I certainly didn't even tell u my political orientation. So basically, u are making (yet another) an attempt to equate criticism of Israel's policies with anti-semitism. If u are for democracy and open debate, why not go into the details with me? Why dont u tell me ur criticism of Israel instead of shielding it from any criticism by labelling its critics as anti-semitic?
@sugarhitman Or is it that u have no real intention to discuss both Hamas and Israel's faults and instead u are trying to suppress any criticism of Israel? Cos if u are trying to suppress all criticism of Israel then I do not respect that. What u are doing is basically nth more than to silence Israel's critics and dissent!
@sugarhitman There's no 'Nazi roots of Arab terrorism', can u prove it to me that there's a link between Nazism and Palestinian resistance? How is it the same? I would compare the Israeli govt with Nazism instead: both maintain illegal occupation and are expansionist in their policies ( Nazi Germany's need for more 'living space' and Israel's illegal settlements on occupied WB).
@sugarhitman U have to understand that there are phases in this conflict. We are now in the phase of an illegal occupation in the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem. The PA, Arab League and even Hamas ( which states that it would still, under any deal with Israel, maintain its right to defense as Israel would) have accepted peace and recognition of Israel in exchange of Israel withdrawing to the pre-1967 borders.
@sugarhitman Do u even know that there are phases in the conflict? Or are u still stuck at the 1948 war? I do not believe it is wise/ acceptable for the Palestinians to fight for control of all mandatory Palestine, and I equally do not believe it is legal or wise for Israel's best interest to maintain the illegal occupation of WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem.
@PeaceForMidEast So why were the Palestinians terrorizing the Israeli state before the 67 "occupation"? Why were they raiding Israeli territory? Geralt666's Mexico California analogy is valid. If Mexicans began terrorizing the US, the US would occupy that territory as long there remained hostile elements....Israel has that same right. Palestinians terrorized her and now the Israelis have the right to "occupy" those territories (which in reality belongs to them anyway.)
@sugarhitman 'So why were the Palestinians terrorizing the Israeli state before the 67 "occupation"? '? Qns has been addressed in above posts. 'Mexico California analogy is valid'? No, it is invalid. You are saying based on the wrong premise that Mexicans have nothing better to do, and they have no relations/ grievances against the US, than to terrorize the US.
@sugarhitman The same applies to the Palestinians. It's not as if the Palestinians live next door, have no relations/ grievances against Israel, and then one fine day, they decided to fire rockets at Israel 'for fun'. 'which in reality belongs to them anyway'? I guess u would find this statement from the extreme right, just as we would likely find 'drive all Jews to the sea' on al-Qaeda's website.
@Geralt666 Third, IDF soldiers have military bases deep inside the WB. IDF is present in illegal Israeli settlements and Palestinian towns inside the WB. Israel controls the land borders and airspace of the WB. That's occupation. These are all facts which u are free to verify.
@PeaceForMidEast Historical fact: prior to 1967 palestinians had many chances to declare a palestinian country, but instead they stared numerous wars and LOST!
Now they dont have a country nor economy nor military nor industry ... why ?! Because they bet all this on those wars and LOST! In 50 years living side by side with Israelis they didnt learn shit, instead they started another war in 2000 (intifada), so Israel had only 2 options - kill' 'em all or distanciate from them. Israel chose 2nd.
@Geralt666 Historical fact: Due to various reasons, most impt of all, the selfish interest of the Egyptians (who controlled Gaza) and the Jordanians ( WB), the creation of a Palestinian state was never viable prior to 1967. Looking at what u've wrote, things like 'they bet all this on those wars', 'they started another war in 2000 (intifada)' , which in fact was an uprising by the occupied against its occupier, I doubt u've studied on this topic much other than to browse the latest headlines.
@PeaceForMidEast Just what i wanted to hear: palestinians are the victim of Egypt and Jordan political games. you said it.
The intifada started not as result of an Israeli oppression towards palestinians (since there never was such), but because Sharon visited some muslim religious site. Thats it. Thats what sparked it. Palestinians r the victim of someone other power games. They had jobs, rights and benefits in Israel prior to intifada, but like always they gave it up for violence.
@Geralt666 Funny. Yes, the Palestinians' interests were subordinated by Egypt and Jordan b4 1967. But can u change the fact that Israel is maintaining an illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories and that the Palestinians have suffered greatly under this illegal occupation? FYI, Palestinians never had any rights under Israeli military occupation. Stop trying to portray the occupation as being somehow beneficial to the Palestinians.
@PeaceForMidEast I just showed you what the word occupation means, and that Israel is nowhere close to that term. Palestinians suffered from their muslim leaders a great deal, but not from Israel.
As I said, when Israel was present there pallys had jobs, healthcare and police.
When Israel left their lands, pallys couldnt even keep what Israel left for them.
@Geralt666 As long as u dont even recognise that there is an illegal occupation going on, an occupation as defined under int' law and UN Res., then there is nothing much we can talk about. It is just like you talking to someone who believe that Jews/ Muslims 'aren't human beings'. Can u talk to someone who doesn't even recognise the fundamentals? I cant' in ur case.
@PeaceForMidEast U still didnt show me the mentioned Intl. law that defines occupation. Until u do I consider your statements baseless.
In addition there is more fundamental law - "self defense". When pallys stop their terror attacks on Israel then they can live their lives in peace. Until then a man gotta do what a man gotta do to protect himself. Thats what Israel is doing.
@Geralt666 Yes, talk abt protection. The Palestinians are human beings too, like Israelis, they have the right to defend themselves and resist occupation. Occupation is one of the basic fundamentals of this conflict yet u refused to even recognise it! Pathetic!
@Geralt666 Where is ur recognition that there's a ongoing illegal occupation? Where's ur recognition of the Palestinians' right to resist occupation? Israel's goal is to perpetuate its illegal occupation, which is no different from Hamas' charter to destroy Israel. Occupation kills!
@Geralt666 Let me tell you this: come back and have a constructive discussion with me once u have recognised that there is an illegal occupation going on. That's one of the most basic fundamentals of the conflict. It's like someone talking to a person who believe that Jews/Muslims/ Christians 'aren't human beings'! Be honest in ur debate.
@PeaceForMidEast So what Israel has toady is an enemy entity (not a country) right across the border, that declares as its only goal is "destroying the jewish state - Israel" (this comes from hamas manifesto). They (pallys) brainwash the young generation to continue violence against Israel, provoking military conflicts with Israel, endanger their own people lives by firing rockets from populated areas. While Israel provides them with fuel, electricity, food, water etc.
@Geralt666 WOW! So Israel is doing all it can to help the occupied Palestinian people by providing them with food, water and fuel? So the Palestinians are to blame for choosing resistance over subordinating to their Israeli occupiers? It is clear by now that u have not got ur fundamentals right; you dont even acknowledge that there is an illegal occupation going on! Shocking!
@PeaceForMidEast Absolutely right - there is NO ILLEGAL OCCUPATION GOING ON!!! Palestinians are to blame for choosing resistance instead of building a palestinian state - also true.
@Geralt666 WOW! So there's no illegal occupation going on? U mean the Israeli settlers were invited by the Palestinians to snatch their land and live on it, plundering Palestinian water and natural resources? U mean Israeli soldiers are in the PT at the invitation of the Palestinian people and that the IDF is simply protecting them? Ur usage of the word 'resistance' betrays ur very claim that there is no occupation going on. Get real.
@PeaceForMidEast. The Israelis did not "snatch" Pale. land. In fact pre-67 Israel was founded on land purchased by the Zionists during the Zionist Agricultural Movement (some of that land was purchased from the same Arabs elites, who lead the Arab Riots to get those same lands back...talk about corrupt buisness practices). These same lands are claimed by Palestinains as being theirs...when any serious history student knows the Zionists paid heavyly for that land.
@sugarhitman U haven't address the legal status of the WB,Gaza and E Jerusalem yet, have you? They are Israeli-occupied Palestinian Territories under int' law. Do u seriously believe that all of those mentioned areas belong rightfully to Israel? Are u serious at all abt this conversation?
@PeaceForMidEast There was always a Jewish presence in Gaza, Judea, and Jerusalem, and by right that land belongs to them. What right did Catholics and Muslims have to invade that country, renaming the villages and the Holy sites while at the same time oppressing the Jews of Palestine? It is immoral to deny the Jews their ancient, tiny homeland. Britain made the Palestinian Arabs a state..its called Jordan....but they wanted even that which did not belong to them.
@sugarhitman If your position is that the Jews were the majority in 1948, or even the Arabs were the majority in 1948 Palestine due to mass immigration, then I have nth to say. Everyone knows that the Arabs were the majority in 1948, but their position was threatened by an increasing Jewish immigration! The fact is that u have tried to change 'mass Jewish immigration to Palestine' to 'mass Palestinian immigration to Palestine'!? What history books do u actually read?
@PeaceForMidEast. The Palestine Mandate included Jordan as well, which the majority of the Arabs resided. On the side alotted to the Jews, it was mostly barren, deserted, swampy land. The Jews purchased that land and worked it, employing Arabs coming from Jordan and eleswhere...in fact some Jewish leaders (Rothschilds) warned against this very thing. Arab immigration is recorded in British records. You need to study.
@sugarhitman Yes, the Mandate included Transjordan as well, but u have forgotten one impt element: Transjordan was an autonomous region, whereas Palestine was ruled directly by Britain. Of course there's many Arabs in Jordan, but there's also a Arab majority in Palestine. At no time, before or even in 1948, was there a Jewish-majority in mandatory Palestine. Study this.
@PeaceForMidEast When the Balfour Declaration was produced the British Mandate of Palestine included what is now Jordan....Britian carved Jordan out of 80% of Palestine. Many Arabs immigrated from Jordan to Israel during the Agricultural movement...and whether they were a majority or not is irrelevant...because the land they immigrated too was Jewish owned.
@sugarhitman If your position is that the Jews were the majority in 1948, or even the Arabs were the majority in 1948 Palestine due to mass immigration, then I have nth to say. Everyone knows that the Arabs were the majority in 1948, but their position was threatened by an increasing Jewish immigration!
hamas dosnt = islamic jhad..quite the opposite, hezbollah isnt considered a terroist group by thwe world community, neither were Hamas until pressured by Us and israeli dogz,
Izrael is so despised and seen as the biggest threat to world peace..
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"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]
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Ashels, there is no point. All of the viewers that post comments hare are blind idiots who choose to cover their ears and eyes at the truth. I post them facts and they respond by giving me thumbs down. Hilarious! As if the information that I have posted here is an opinion, these are facts, real events that have been carried out by the Israeli Army and funded and supported by the US. The US gives Israel over $6 Billion yearsly while its citizens do not have Health care and addecuate education!
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Israel broke Ceasefire in November 2008, not Hamas. Since 1967 Israel is not interested in peacemaking, but expansionism and expulsion of Palestinians. Last year 400 civilians were murdered and not one rocket was fired. Israel has broken over 90 UN Regulations and Humanitarian Rights Laws, and is using depleted Uranium, White Phosphorous and Cluster Bombs, which have been banned by 90 Nations, against an unarmed, harmless people. These are War Crimes!
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Palestinians live within Israel's Aphartheid Walls like prisoners, without clean water, medicine and electricity. The Palestinians, have been prisoners in their own land for 60 years, and they have done nothing. If Israel would treat them like normal human beings, such groups as Hamas would never rise to power. They do not even have a Home Army, any people would resist and fight back if they were being violently occupied as they Palestinians have been. Inform yourself and WAKE UP!
Then why does israel lets thousands to work inside the country? The only reason Israel has blockaded Palestine is becuase they are containing the beast. There is not other solution since the Israelis are not merciless killers like the Palesinans whom have targeted dozens and dozens of cafes, public transportation buses and civilian resdenccies in the south.
If Palestinians used money given to them by UN and the US to rebuild their country and prosper on it instead of using it on weapons against Jews, it would be peaceful. Go blame Egypt and Syria for not letting them back home.
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You are poorly informed. Research the 1982 Massacres in the Sabra and Shatila Refugee Camp, the 2002 Massacres in the Jenin Refugee Camp. The thousands of civilians slaughtered (elderly, women and children) were unarmed, starving and helpless. These crimes were led by the Israeli army and ordered by Sharon, the man that Bush claimed as a "peace maker". But, of course, the US government and media do not inform you about these massacres. Wake up!
You are ignorant primitive antisemite who believes cheap propaganda: in 1982 Sabra and Shatila was performed by Lebanese Christian phallanges as revenge to how Muslims Palestinians destroyed Lebanon and massacered the Christians in Damour. Search for Brigitte Gabriel documentary. In Jenin- Israel lost 23 fighters for being too careful not to harm Arab civilians. If you ask me: Israel was stupid, as enemy should be treated as enemy. Modern Nazis are radical muslims: that is why YOU support then
what are you insane?????? look back...seriously arabs in israel at a certain point had more rights than the israelis, and definitly had more rights in israel than in any other arab country!!! Plus after all the terror that israel went through over MANY years israel continued to support palestine economically!!!! YOU WAKE UP!
Always search out the truth! Thank you for this video! Keep vigilant of fake videos and the propaganda coming out of Iran (which has a control of over 54% of internet connections of the entire MidEast) and parts of the arab world. Pray for truth, and unbiased journalism. France2, BBC etc. we are watching you!
[continued] ...palestinian militants are Terrorists bcoz they Target women&children. civilians are Not accidentally caught in the crossfire, they R the target for them - as they say, they want to kill every jewish man, woman & child. That's terrorism. int' law Does apply. israel should only give back the territories when its neighbours cease to threaten them - this is specifically according to the int' Law.
oc00011 2 weeks ago
to commenter 'peaceforMidEast' - yes, arabs oppressed jews for millennia. the land of israel has been occupied by virtually every empire in history, palestinian arabs Never in history had a country there. they even regarded themselves as southern syrian arabs, the term "palestinian" is fairly new. the jews/zionists had every right for independence & if u disagree, ur saying the jews are the only nation on earth who don't have the right of self-determination in their homeland. [continued]
oc00011 2 weeks ago
It was more than 8000 rockets, meanwhile it is already 10000. Some were even before the disengagement in 2005, but the evacuation of Gush Katif caused increas of 2-3 folds in launching rockets (by claiming they are home-made Palest. actually admit their houses are ammunition factories..). However it enabled also smuggling of long range missiles through tunnels. // Israeli reaction was not proportional: it was too small!! Proportional reaction is a reaction that makes Arabs return to desert!!
JusticeVSpropaganda 1 year ago 4
Thank you Hal Lindsey
You are more honest and true than many Israeli lefty journalists that betray their own people.
JusticeVSpropaganda 1 year ago
Thanks Geralt666 for censoring freedom of speech!! Looks like u are no different than Kim Jong-il!! U are a pathetic person. Why not rebut each and every of my points with facts, rather than delete my comments?! Or is it u have nothing concrete to say??
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast The facts are in the video above. What u have posted here were not facts but a bunch of truth twisting statements based on liberal propaganda. I dont have time to address all of them. U want a constructive discussion - pick one statement of yours and lets dig in.
Your comments looked like copy/paste from some CAIR funded website. This is no place for such unbased accusations.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 'were not facts but a bunch of truth twisting statements based on liberal propaganda.'? Come on, dont just dismiss everything I've said simply as 'trust-twisting statements'. Prove it! 'copy/paste'? U've probably not read all my comments. What? U dont have time to address everything? Fine, I'll give u the privilege to pick one statement that u've read from my previous comments and we can have a constructive discussion.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast OK, lets just take the first statement u posted so u wont say I just picked the one that suits me.
"1) Int' law doesn't grant Israel the right to maintain its illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories."
From dictionary . com : "occupation - the seizure and control of an area by military forces, esp. foreign territory." Thats occupation. What Israel is doing is not occupation. IDF is not present in Gaza or in WB. IDF patrols the borders, not controlling their land.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 According to the int' law, Israel is still the occupying power in E Jerusalem, WB and Gaza. The fact that u would argue ' IDF is not present in Gaza or in WB' shocks me. I would only expect, at most, u claiming that the IDF is not in Gaza. But the IDF is not in the WB??? They are only patrolling the borders? Looks like u got ur fundamentals wrong here.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast There is not one IDF soldier in Gaza - if anyone says otherwise he is a liar. E Jerusalem was conquered in a war and the country that owned it (Jordan) gave up this territory after their loss. Which makes it legitimate Israeli territory. In WB IDF only patrols the buffer zone, a stripe of land bordering Israel, to not let militants get near Israeli borders.
These are facts.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 The fact: Yes, there are no Israeli soldiers or settlers inside Gaza. But Israel maintains absolute control over Gaza's airspace, sea and land borders (except the one at Rafah). That is considered occupation under int' law. That's a fact and you cant change it. Second, under int' law, E Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian Territory, a fact u cant change.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast First: show me the Intl. law that says it.
Second: Since Israel doesn't control all the borders not in Gaza nor in WB, Its not occupation. According to your logic Egypt and Jordan are as much occupier as Israel.
Third: Since all pallys do is building rockets and randomly fire it into Israel, Israel has the full right to prevent such behavior by not letting any weapons into Gaza or WB. U would have done the same if Mexico started firing rockets into California.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 1) UN Res., all countries except Israel, recognise E Jerusalem, WB and Gaza as Israeli-occupied Palestinian Territories. Int' law defines an occupier as one that controls the borders of other territories and restrict the movement of the occupied people.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast where is the link to that resolution ?? As far as I see u have just made this up.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 Haha. Do you have Google? Cant u google it and visit the UN website? This is getting humorous of you!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@Geralt666 2) Egypt closed its border with Gaza but it never had any control of its airspace/ nor has it conducted any raids inside Gaza or even step foot into Gaza. The same with Jordan. 3) Ur analogy of Mexico and California isn't valid at all. U have ignored one basic element (again): The U.S. does not occupy Mexico, while Israel occupies Gaza.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast US would occupy Mexico very quickly if even one rocket was fired into US. Israel had 3000+ rockets and countless suicide bombings before. Israel has the full right to prevent such attacks in the future.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 Which one comes first? The Israeli occupation or the rocket fire? Get ur sequence of events right. Using ur same example, if the U.S. occupies Mexico, then surely the Mexicans have a right to resist occupation and fight back? When would u even recognised that there is an illegal occupation going on? When will u recognise the Palestinians' right to resist occupation?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@Geralt666 I recognise Israel's right to self-defense. But is crushing the resistance offered by the people it is occupying purely an act of self-defense? Or is it an act of defending itself against the consequences of maintaining an illegal occupation, an act to defend its illegal occupation? Look both sides, and recognise the Palestinians' right to resist illegal occupation and self-determination.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast . Yep, the same Pale line. "The Pales have a right to defend themselves against illegal occupation (thus supporting Arab terror)." Really? Then what were they doing before the "Occupation"? Resistence? Against what an occupation? Nope. Terrorizing a legit state, and as their leaders often said "to exterminate the Jews"? You guess it. Ahhhh we really need to study the Nazi roots of Arab terrorism, and stop making excuses for them.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Hi joker! It is very convenient to simply dismiss resistance to an occupation as 'terrorism', just as the British labeled the Indian resistance as merely 'terrorism'. Just think abt this: Do u agree with Hitler when he labelled the Warsaw ghetto uprising as 'terrorism'? I would urge u to study this conflict in depth and not dismiss everything as simply...'terrorism'.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast There you go again comparing Israel's defensive war with Nazi Germany, do you support Hitler's Holocaust? And there is a difference between the Warsaw uprising, and the Palestinian terror operation....it is the Palestinians and the Arabs who seeks to exterminate the Jews, it was the Pales. who terrorized a pre-67 Israeli state. The comparing Palestinian terrorism with the Jews of the Holocaust belittles the actual Holocaust or worse, reflects one's support of it.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman No, I dont support Hitler or the Holocaust, that's why I compared Nazi Germany's occupation of Eastern Europe with Israel's illegal occupation! Both Warsaw uprising and the Palestinian Intifada are the same: they are both resistance, born out of a natural response, by a besieged and occupied people against their occupiers and oppressors. The comparison of Israeli policy critics with anti-semitism insults the memory of the Holocaust.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast If thats true then why did the Palestinians terrorize a legal Israel before the "Occupation"? The Jews did not call for a Holocaust of the Germans, so the Germans had no justification for their actions. The Palestinians TRIED to exterminate the Jews without provocation.....so your little comparison is a very twisted one...which probaly reflects a support for Hitler's Holocaust and hatred for Jews.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman I've alr explained to u why the Palestinians resist and attacked pre-1967 Israel. It is u who have not read my replies to u and I would not repeat my answers over and over again. 'Palestinians TRIED to exterminate the Jews without provocation'? Are you sure things are that simple? That Palestinians one day simply cannot do without killing Jews?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast LOL! Wrong! Thanks to German declassified documents we now know that the Nazis were funding the Arab Riots led by Haj Admin leader of the Arab Nationalist Movement. The Palestinians were attacking Jewish settlements in the 20's well before any "evictions" or "occupation". The Arabs had as a goal the extermination of the Jews simply due to Arab antisemitism...which is proven by the abundance of documents.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman HAHA...hey sugarhitman, though I disagree with ur nonsense, I must say I really enjoy talking to you. Ur endless nonsense, like water coming out of a tap, is pure entertainment to me. I also enjoy educating u, although I'm much younger but more well-informed.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman But all good things doesn't last forever. It is to my regret that I would cease receiving/ responding to ur entertainment. Maybe u can handle ur urge to crap by talking to other ppl who share ur love for entertainment? In any case, thanks for ur entertainment and a big GOODBYE!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman How is my comparison btw the Nazi occupation of E Europe and Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories a twisted one? Explain it, or stop making baseless accusations at me. 'which probaly reflects a support for Hitler's Holocaust and hatred for Jews'? Keep playing the slander card and the Holocaust card...it wont work.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Those who accuses Israelis of being Nazis is a slap in the face to Jews. This is motivated by antisemitism and belittles the actual Holocaust. However much you want to deny it...its true. Its no accident that Communists and Islamic-Fascists started this twisted analogy.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'anti-semitism'? 'Its no accident that Communists and Islamic-Fascists started this twisted analogy'? Ok....I got u.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman BTW, Israel is not fighting a 'defensive war' when it crushes Palestinian resistance. Its actions are merely an act of defending itself against the consequences of maintaining an illegal occupation, an act to defend its illegal occupation.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Really? So I guess Israel was not defending itself before 67? Before the "Occupation"? What were Palestinians "resisting" before 67? Is that resistance or aggression? Why were Palestinians killing the Jews even before Israel was founded? Is that "resistance"? The Palestinian cause is unjust...there is no justification for any of their historical attacks on Jews.....which continues to this day.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Israel was defending itself b4 '67, bcos they are a UN member and is thus considered legitimate by the same institution u are condemning today. So why do Palestinians attack the pre-67 Israel then? What were Palestinians "resisting" before 67'? I've addressed this issue alr, pls even bother to read them.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'Why were Palestinians killing the Jews even before Israel was founded?'? Why are u ignoring the Zionists' killings of Arabs and eviction of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, half of them even b4 May '48? 'The Palestinian cause is unjust'? U mean a fight for ur right to self-determination and ur right to resist occupation is 'unjust'??
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin (February 19, 1949). I just love old Arab newspapers. There are so many confessions by the Arabs enough to fill 5 pages, and yet the lie that Israel is responsible for most of the Refugees continues. You want more sources?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'which continues to this day'? No sensible person would expect an occupied people to surrender and stop resisting as long as the illegal occupation continues... ( maybe except ppl like you, that is) and the illegal Israeli occupation continues to this very day..
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast So why were Palestinians attacking Jewish settlements in the 20's long before any "evictions" or "occupation"? And those settlements were est. on land purchased by the Zionists....Or are you telling me the Palestinians had a right to attack, I mean "resist" these settlements?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The Palestinians resist and attacked pre-1967 Israel bcos they were forced to become refugees by Israel in 1948, when the Zionists wanted to create a Jewish-majority within the UN Paritioned-Israel , despite the fact that Arabs were the majority of the land.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast So you disagree with "int. law" that supported a Jewish state in 48? "But its int. law". LOL! The fact is that it doesnt matter if the Arabs were the majority on the 20% allotted for Jews, because 1. They were recent immigrants themselves. 2. The Jews payed for the land Israel was founded on....it belonged to them. 3. Britian curved 80% of Palestine for the "Palestinians" who are 80% of Jordanians today.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman No, I don't. I've got respect for int' law unlike you. The UN Partition Plan was approved by the UN, and was designed to solve the Arab-Zionist conflict. But I do disagree with the Zionists' illegal actions in evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs to make way for a Jewish-majority within the borders of the new state of Israel. There's no contradiction here.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'the 20% allotted for Jews'? FYI, the Jews were given 55% of the land despite the fact that they were the minority on the land, not 20%! Where did u get the 20% crap from? I've addressed ur invalid claim that most Palestinians were there bcos 'they were recent immigrants'. I wont repeat my answers, pls bother to read them.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Dude. Palestine included Jordan, which was given 80% of Palestine, with 20% alotted for the Jews...this was during the British Mandate. And nearly 10% of the 20% was purchased by the Zionists (around 500,000 acres) not including the Negev. Jordan is the Palestinian state created to absorb the Palestinian Arabs....but they got greedy and desired the 20% left for the Jews.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'The Jews payed for the land Israel was founded on....it belonged to them'? On the contrary, Arabs owned 90% of the private land in mandatory Palestine. U can check this for urself. 'Britian curved 80% of Palestine for the "Palestinians" who are 80% of Jordanians today.'? Be glad that I'm still talking to a person like u who dont even recognise the existence of the Palestinian people.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. LOL! The Brits did a survey and found out that 65% of Palestine was "state owned land". The Arab peasents owned less then 13% of Palestine (which includs Jordan). Most of that land was Ottoman owned with wealthy private landowners behind them. The Jews bought about 10% which their tiny state was founded on.....the Arab peasents were not landowners but tenents.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The reason why Palestinians/ Palestinian descendants constitute a big portion of Jordan's population is not bcos Palestinians are somehow Jordanian anyway, but bcos many Palestinians fled to Jordan in the 1948 war.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Palestinians who fled to Jordan were simply going back from which they came. Jordanians are Palestinians, and Jordan is the Palestinian state.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Hmm..interesting point...then aren't many first-generation Israelis actually Europeans themselves, given that they immigrated in masses to Palestine in the 30s and 40s to escape Hitler's Germany?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman In fact, I've alr explained to u why the Palestinians resist and attacked pre-1967 Israel. It is u who have not read my replies to u.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The Palestinians definitely have a right to resist the Israeli state since its founding in 1948. Tell me this: in mandatory Palestine, are the Arabs a minority and the Jews a majority? In the Zionist effort to create a Jewish-majority within the Israeli borders under the UN partition plan, hundreds of thousands of Arabs were evicted to Gaza and the WB. Otherwise, how else can u create a Jewish-majority in the new Israeli state?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast As Winston Churchill noted, newly Arab immigrants were flooding into Palestine during the Zionist Agricultural Movement. The land Israel was founded on consisted of those settlements created on Jewish owned land, and the Negev Desert. The Arabs had no right to claim that land as theirs, and certainly are not justified in attacking a legit. Jewish state. One moment you uphold "int. law" and now the Arabs "have a right" to attack a legit. pre-67 Israeli state.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Why would u deny the Palestinians' right to resist and their right to return to their homes in modern Israel? Yes, I uphold int' law but u have forgotten that it is the right of any people to fight against occupation and people who driven them from their homes! There's no contradiction here. The UN recognises Israel but the Palestinians also have the right to resist their occupiers and people who evicted them.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Palestinians hostiles do not have a right to return to homes in Israel they never owned in the first place. The land they were working on was JEWISH OWNED...payed for with Jewish funds during the Agricultural Movement, and yet in 1964 the newly created PLO was claiming that pre-67 Israeli land belonged to them. This claims is still active despite the fact that it is legally Jewish owned land.....greed, greed greed.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman haha really? I've addressed the 'Jewish owned the land' claim from you. Read my previous comments and u'll know this post of urs is nothing but full of crap.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Why would u deny the Palestinians' right to resist and their right to return to their homes in modern Israel? Yes, I uphold int' law but u have forgotten that it is the right of any people to fight against occupation and people who driven them from their homes! There's no contradiction here.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The UN recognises Israel but the Palestinians also have the right to resist their occupiers and people who evicted them.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Oh brother, you are contradicting yourself. You are saying that Israel is a legal state, then you say Israel is an occupier.....even in 1948. When people contradict themselves like this, it usually means they are lying. But this is typical of the anti-Israel crowd evoking "int. law" when it supports them, and disregard it when it doesnt. Just like all the US member states do.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman No, in fact, I've explained why there's no contradiction at all. 1) I didn't say Israel was an illegal state. In fact, I've on numerous posts recognise Israel bcos it is a UN member. 2) I also recognise the Palestinians' right to self-determination and their right to resist an illegal occupation, but u wouldn't do that anyway.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast You are contradicting yourself...You cant believe that Israel is both legal and illegal...that doesnt make sense. You said that even pre-67 Israel was illegal and that the Arabs had a right to attack her. LOL! Like I said contradictions usually means LYING. You dont support int. law no more than I do.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
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@sugarhitman I'll repeat my posts since u have got the disability to read. I've explained why there's no contradiction at all. 1) I didn't say Israel was an illegal state. In fact, I've on numerous posts recognise Israel bcos it is a UN member. 2) I also recognise the Palestinians' right to self-determination and their right to resist an illegal occupation, but u wouldn't do that anyway.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
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@sugarhitman U can read this: 3) The fact that I told you Israel has committed illegal actions, in evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs to make way for a Jewish-majority ( FYI there's no Jewish majority in mandatory Palestine in '48, smth u would never accept), doesn't mean that I view Israel per se as an illegal state.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 3) The fact that I told you Israel has committed illegal actions, in evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs to make way for a Jewish-majority ( FYI there's no Jewish majority in mandatory Palestine in '48, smth u would never accept), doesn't mean that I view Israel per se as an illegal state.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast By saying that Israel was illegally set up by "evicting hundreds of thousands of Arabs" off land that "was owned 90% by the Arabs" (which isnt true by the way, more lying on your part) and that Arabs had a right to attack her pre-67 you are saying that Israel is an illegal state from its inception. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that. You dont support int. law....u use it to attack Israel like a tool..thats it.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman When ppl like you claim and insist there's a contradiction in your opponent's case, when time and time again that contradiction has been explained and proven to be non-existent, it usually means you are trying to create a contradiction out of nowhere to hide ur ignorance and ur failings in making ur case.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman But this is typical of Israeli policies' apologists, doing things like invoking the Holocaust and anti-semitism to shield and suppress legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. But that's fine; we can handle such ppl easily.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast No. Actually it is typical of antisemites to hide behind "int. law" and other rhetoric to slander Israel and Zionist Jews...Legitimate criticism is one thing, fabricating history, and slanderous lies against the Jewish state is another...which is motivated by hate...not a sincere desire for peace (as they often claim).
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Give me one legitimate criticism u have on Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories? 'fabricating history, and slanderous lies against the Jewish state'? The statement that Israel is maintaining an illegal occupation, turning Gaza into an open-air prison, denying the Palestinians' right to self-determination isn't fabricating history; it's legitimate criticism.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. Illegal Occupation? Arabs never owned Palestine. Even your precious 242 does not mention the Palestinians in the negotiations.....these laws were later reinterpreted to benefict the newly created Paletinian nationality. Israel has a right to defend against Islamonazis dedicated to exterminating Jews. The suffering of the Palestinians is the result of their own evil agenda, stop the terror than you will have peace.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman ok, bigot. I've got ur point, and they are no different than the others u've made.I wish to mind u that I'm not in the business of educating bigots or supremacists like u. So from now on, u can say whatever u want, but I'll only reply to those comments of u which possesses a tinge of reality. I need to save time and spend it more productively than to speak with a nutcase. Do u understand or do u need me to explain in detail what I meant??
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'stop the terror than you will have peace'? Peace? U mean peace for Israel and Israel only? Bcos what Israel eventually wants, looking at its decades-long policies in the PT, is the eventual annexation of the PT. Under the so-called 'peace', Palestinians are not to resist in anyway as Israel annexs their land and evict them from their homes. That's the peace that the Israeli govt is talking abt. Not a just peace, just a peaceful occupation.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Oh..is that what that is "resistence"? Well what was it during the midages, and pre-48, when the minority indigenous Jews were oppressed by the Arabs? Was that resistence or oppression? Was it an "Occupation" when Jews were forced to watch as Arabs took over their land and Holy sites, while at the same time barring them from their most Holy site? Nah, because in your twisted little mind "its Arab land."
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Also, u dont even recognise that there is an illegal Israeli occupation going on in the PT. And talk abt Israel having the right to defend itself, while at the same time ignoring the Palestinians' right to self-defence. Talk abt Israel being threatened by 'Islamonazis' while the reality is that the Palestinians are being slowly, but surely, strangled to death by the Israeli occupation (settlement, blockade). Isn't that the standard definition of a hypocrite?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Yeah, its Occupation when you est. yourself in the land that was always home to your people who dared to remain there in the face of Islamic oppression. Yeah it was wrong for European Jews to liberate those Palestinian Jews who lived under Islamic tyranny for centuries. We read how Pales, raped, murdered, robbed, and dicriminated against these Jews for centuries....just because they were Jews.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman So,Palestinians have been oppressing and occupying Jewish land for centuries? The Zionists were holy moral in their fight for independence? The Palestinians rejected living under Israeli rule and thus they are terrorists? Int' law doesn't apply here in Israel bcos Israeli objectives are more impt than its obligations as a UN member? I'll let u have the last word. It's May 15 and a big goodbye!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Muslims have oppressed Jews for centuries. There was no Palestinians then, because that invention of a new nation that never existed is just a new propaganda trick of the Arabs. Israel was TOO GENEROUS to negotiate peace with the Nazi-Arab enemy but one cannot make peace with Nazi ideology that wants to annihilate you. When Arabs shell Israel and call to destroy it ISRAEL HAS ALL RIGHT TO REACT IN ALL FORCE: ENEMY SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH: NO APOLOGY !!!
JusticeVSpropaganda 1 year ago 6
@sugarhitman 'not a sincere desire for peace'? How is support for Israel's illegal occupation a sincere desire for peace then? Explain urself?!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Notice I have not condemn the whole Jewish people; I didn't call them names like 'sub-humans', like what the real anti-semite Adolf Hitler so often did. I merely criticise Israel's policies, and that's hardly anti-semitism. The fact is that u know I'm not anti-semitic and that whoever who criticises Israel's policies, and not the whole Jewish people, are not anti-semitic.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Thats what critics usually say "Im not antisemitic" but their irrational criticism of a people fighting against IslamoNazi terror while supporting this terrorism shows their true nature. Antisemitism wrapped in left-wing rhetoric. If they were really for peace, then Hamas would be equally criticized as well rather than excused...There is no justification for Arab hatred of Jews, that existed long before Israel's rebirth.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Anti-semitism means a prejudice/ attack on all Jews and only bcos they are Jews. Point out to me where I did condemn all Jews just bcos they are Jews and I'll not dispute ur baseless accusation that I'm an anti-semite.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman ' irrational criticism of a people fighting against IslamoNazi terror while supporting this terrorism shows their true nature. '? A simple reply to this crap: is the world being irrational when it criticises the IDF's use of white phosphorus in densely-populated residential areas and hospitals in Gaza?If ur ans is yes, then thanks for reinforcing the readers' belief that u are a hypocrite.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman haha, btw, u cant even point out one example of me condemning all Jews (the real anti-semitism definition)!!! Ur baseless accusation that I'm an anti-semite is dismantled by not only me, but even urself now!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman But the reason why u chose to label Israel's critics as anti-semitic is bcos u love to hide behind the evil of real anti-semitism to suppress legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. U and I know it; the only difference btw us is that I talk it out, while u chose to remain silent abt it.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman I recognise the state of Israel bcos it is a UN member. I recognise the Jewish people's right to self-determination. But I would never, as everyone else (except Israel) does, accept Israel's illegal occupation of the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem. I would never deny, as u do, the Palestinian people's right to resist an occupation and their right to self-determination.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. You recognise the state of Israel? But you just wrote that the Arabs because they were the majority (thanks to new immigrants), had a right to attack or in your words "resist" a pre-67 Israeli state....thus on one hand you seem to be saying Israel is an illegitimate state and on the other a legitimate one. Why the contradiction?
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman. Why the Contradiction? Simple, because you justified Arab terrorism against Israel because of the so-called "Occupation" which "int. law" which you strongly support, condemns. But when I showed you that Israel was being terrorised before 67, and was recognized by Law to be a legit. state, you are forced to go against "int. law" by claiming that Israel was created illegally in 48 by "int. law". You see everyone uses or disregard int. law for his own reasons.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman What I'm saying is that yes, Israel has forcibly evicted hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 948, and that is illegal. But does that illegal Israeli action make the whole state of Israel an illegitimate one? No! The reason why u think there's a contradiction is bcos u feel that rights should only be exclusive to Israel and not the Palestinians. When did I ever say Israel is a illegitimate state?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
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PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
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PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman What I'm saying is that yes, Israel has forcibly evicted hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 948, and that is illegal. But does that illegal Israeli action make the whole state of Israel an illegitimate one? No! The reason why u think there's a contradiction is bcos u feel that rights should only be exclusive to Israel and not the Palestinians.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman There's no contradiction. The fact is that the UN has recognised Israel. No one who follows int' law can dispute that, and certainly not me. But it is also true that under int' law, the occupied have the right to resist occupation and fight for their rights: the right to return to their homes after being evicted by Israel.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Yes, I disagree with the harsh Arab rhetoric of 'driving the Jews to the sea'. But would you also disagree with Golda Meir when she denied the very existence of the Palestinian people? Would you disagree with Avigdor Lieberman who called for the expulsion of Israeli Arabs? Would u disagree with the extreme right who called for the total expulsion of Arabs to Jordan?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Golda Meir is right, there is no Palestianian people. Even your beloved res.242 makes no mention of "Palestinians" in fact those land for peace deals, were to made between Egypt and Jordan who had lost those territories. Palestinians are simply Jordanians and Egyptians, who migrated to Israel during the Agricultural movement. Britian created a state for them...its called Jordan.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Oh really? Ok. Good entertainment from you!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Res. 242 makes no mention of Palestinians? A word of advice for you: read the UN Res. 242 from the UN website, not any Zionist website, yeah?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. How dishonest. "Palestinians" are nowhere mentioned in Resolution 242, (The UN website says "the Council decided to invite the representatives of the United Arab Republic, Jordan, and Israel"). Res. 242 concerns only these parties at the time it was drafted: "Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Israel". 242 call for giving Gaza to Egypt, and the West Bank to Jordan..not to Palestinians.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Yes, the Zionist version of UN Res. 242 did not mention the word 'Palestinians', but the UN one did refer to the Palestinian people, who only recently then was under Egyptian and Jordanian control. That explains why u believe I have a reason to be dishonest abt smth as widely-available as the Res. 242.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Oh now the "Zionists" has their own versian of 242? Nevermind the fact that Res. 242 makes no mention of Palestinians anywhere in that document, a document that called on Israel to restore the W. Bank and Gaza to Egypt and Jordan "territories acquired through war" by these 2 countries in 48. Yet the UN said nothing about this illegal anexxation...until Israel acquired these territories....More UN bias
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman More UN bias? Cry 'UN bias' whenever Israel gets criticised for its illegal actions and see if the world would any longer accept ur lousy tactic of suppressing legitimate criticism of Israel.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I love it how leftist cries "I dont hate all Jews I just hate Zionists"..sssuuurrreeee. In the more supposedly civilized age...antisemites have wrap their Jews hatred in politically correct terms.....but under it lies that old antisemitism that has plagued the word for over 2000 years.....Its no accident that Israel a state filled with the most hated people on earth is under attack. So yes, when you support Islamonazi attacks on innocent Jews....you are an antisemite.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Hmm...care to explain how u came to the conclusion that I'm on the left? Cos I certainly didn't even tell u my political orientation. So basically, u are making (yet another) an attempt to equate criticism of Israel's policies with anti-semitism. If u are for democracy and open debate, why not go into the details with me? Why dont u tell me ur criticism of Israel instead of shielding it from any criticism by labelling its critics as anti-semitic?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Or is it that u have no real intention to discuss both Hamas and Israel's faults and instead u are trying to suppress any criticism of Israel? Cos if u are trying to suppress all criticism of Israel then I do not respect that. What u are doing is basically nth more than to silence Israel's critics and dissent!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman There's no 'Nazi roots of Arab terrorism', can u prove it to me that there's a link between Nazism and Palestinian resistance? How is it the same? I would compare the Israeli govt with Nazism instead: both maintain illegal occupation and are expansionist in their policies ( Nazi Germany's need for more 'living space' and Israel's illegal settlements on occupied WB).
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman U have to understand that there are phases in this conflict. We are now in the phase of an illegal occupation in the WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem. The PA, Arab League and even Hamas ( which states that it would still, under any deal with Israel, maintain its right to defense as Israel would) have accepted peace and recognition of Israel in exchange of Israel withdrawing to the pre-1967 borders.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Do u even know that there are phases in the conflict? Or are u still stuck at the 1948 war? I do not believe it is wise/ acceptable for the Palestinians to fight for control of all mandatory Palestine, and I equally do not believe it is legal or wise for Israel's best interest to maintain the illegal occupation of WB, Gaza and E Jerusalem.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast So why were the Palestinians terrorizing the Israeli state before the 67 "occupation"? Why were they raiding Israeli territory? Geralt666's Mexico California analogy is valid. If Mexicans began terrorizing the US, the US would occupy that territory as long there remained hostile elements....Israel has that same right. Palestinians terrorized her and now the Israelis have the right to "occupy" those territories (which in reality belongs to them anyway.)
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman 'So why were the Palestinians terrorizing the Israeli state before the 67 "occupation"? '? Qns has been addressed in above posts. 'Mexico California analogy is valid'? No, it is invalid. You are saying based on the wrong premise that Mexicans have nothing better to do, and they have no relations/ grievances against the US, than to terrorize the US.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman The same applies to the Palestinians. It's not as if the Palestinians live next door, have no relations/ grievances against Israel, and then one fine day, they decided to fire rockets at Israel 'for fun'. 'which in reality belongs to them anyway'? I guess u would find this statement from the extreme right, just as we would likely find 'drive all Jews to the sea' on al-Qaeda's website.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@Geralt666 Third, IDF soldiers have military bases deep inside the WB. IDF is present in illegal Israeli settlements and Palestinian towns inside the WB. Israel controls the land borders and airspace of the WB. That's occupation. These are all facts which u are free to verify.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Historical fact: prior to 1967 palestinians had many chances to declare a palestinian country, but instead they stared numerous wars and LOST!
Now they dont have a country nor economy nor military nor industry ... why ?! Because they bet all this on those wars and LOST! In 50 years living side by side with Israelis they didnt learn shit, instead they started another war in 2000 (intifada), so Israel had only 2 options - kill' 'em all or distanciate from them. Israel chose 2nd.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 Historical fact: Due to various reasons, most impt of all, the selfish interest of the Egyptians (who controlled Gaza) and the Jordanians ( WB), the creation of a Palestinian state was never viable prior to 1967. Looking at what u've wrote, things like 'they bet all this on those wars', 'they started another war in 2000 (intifada)' , which in fact was an uprising by the occupied against its occupier, I doubt u've studied on this topic much other than to browse the latest headlines.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Just what i wanted to hear: palestinians are the victim of Egypt and Jordan political games. you said it.
The intifada started not as result of an Israeli oppression towards palestinians (since there never was such), but because Sharon visited some muslim religious site. Thats it. Thats what sparked it. Palestinians r the victim of someone other power games. They had jobs, rights and benefits in Israel prior to intifada, but like always they gave it up for violence.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 Funny. Yes, the Palestinians' interests were subordinated by Egypt and Jordan b4 1967. But can u change the fact that Israel is maintaining an illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories and that the Palestinians have suffered greatly under this illegal occupation? FYI, Palestinians never had any rights under Israeli military occupation. Stop trying to portray the occupation as being somehow beneficial to the Palestinians.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast I just showed you what the word occupation means, and that Israel is nowhere close to that term. Palestinians suffered from their muslim leaders a great deal, but not from Israel.
As I said, when Israel was present there pallys had jobs, healthcare and police.
When Israel left their lands, pallys couldnt even keep what Israel left for them.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 As long as u dont even recognise that there is an illegal occupation going on, an occupation as defined under int' law and UN Res., then there is nothing much we can talk about. It is just like you talking to someone who believe that Jews/ Muslims 'aren't human beings'. Can u talk to someone who doesn't even recognise the fundamentals? I cant' in ur case.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast U still didnt show me the mentioned Intl. law that defines occupation. Until u do I consider your statements baseless.
In addition there is more fundamental law - "self defense". When pallys stop their terror attacks on Israel then they can live their lives in peace. Until then a man gotta do what a man gotta do to protect himself. Thats what Israel is doing.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 Yes, talk abt protection. The Palestinians are human beings too, like Israelis, they have the right to defend themselves and resist occupation. Occupation is one of the basic fundamentals of this conflict yet u refused to even recognise it! Pathetic!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast The only difference is that Israels goal is not to destroy the palestinian state. Palestinians goal is to destroy Israel.
All the wars that Israel was involved in, were defense wars started by neighboring arab countries.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 Where is ur recognition that there's a ongoing illegal occupation? Where's ur recognition of the Palestinians' right to resist occupation? Israel's goal is to perpetuate its illegal occupation, which is no different from Hamas' charter to destroy Israel. Occupation kills!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@Geralt666 Let me tell you this: come back and have a constructive discussion with me once u have recognised that there is an illegal occupation going on. That's one of the most basic fundamentals of the conflict. It's like someone talking to a person who believe that Jews/Muslims/ Christians 'aren't human beings'! Be honest in ur debate.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast So what Israel has toady is an enemy entity (not a country) right across the border, that declares as its only goal is "destroying the jewish state - Israel" (this comes from hamas manifesto). They (pallys) brainwash the young generation to continue violence against Israel, provoking military conflicts with Israel, endanger their own people lives by firing rockets from populated areas. While Israel provides them with fuel, electricity, food, water etc.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 WOW! So Israel is doing all it can to help the occupied Palestinian people by providing them with food, water and fuel? So the Palestinians are to blame for choosing resistance over subordinating to their Israeli occupiers? It is clear by now that u have not got ur fundamentals right; you dont even acknowledge that there is an illegal occupation going on! Shocking!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast Absolutely right - there is NO ILLEGAL OCCUPATION GOING ON!!! Palestinians are to blame for choosing resistance instead of building a palestinian state - also true.
Geralt666 1 year ago
@Geralt666 WOW! So there's no illegal occupation going on? U mean the Israeli settlers were invited by the Palestinians to snatch their land and live on it, plundering Palestinian water and natural resources? U mean Israeli soldiers are in the PT at the invitation of the Palestinian people and that the IDF is simply protecting them? Ur usage of the word 'resistance' betrays ur very claim that there is no occupation going on. Get real.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. The Israelis did not "snatch" Pale. land. In fact pre-67 Israel was founded on land purchased by the Zionists during the Zionist Agricultural Movement (some of that land was purchased from the same Arabs elites, who lead the Arab Riots to get those same lands back...talk about corrupt buisness practices). These same lands are claimed by Palestinains as being theirs...when any serious history student knows the Zionists paid heavyly for that land.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman U haven't address the legal status of the WB,Gaza and E Jerusalem yet, have you? They are Israeli-occupied Palestinian Territories under int' law. Do u seriously believe that all of those mentioned areas belong rightfully to Israel? Are u serious at all abt this conversation?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast There was always a Jewish presence in Gaza, Judea, and Jerusalem, and by right that land belongs to them. What right did Catholics and Muslims have to invade that country, renaming the villages and the Holy sites while at the same time oppressing the Jews of Palestine? It is immoral to deny the Jews their ancient, tiny homeland. Britain made the Palestinian Arabs a state..its called Jordan....but they wanted even that which did not belong to them.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman If your position is that the Jews were the majority in 1948, or even the Arabs were the majority in 1948 Palestine due to mass immigration, then I have nth to say. Everyone knows that the Arabs were the majority in 1948, but their position was threatened by an increasing Jewish immigration! The fact is that u have tried to change 'mass Jewish immigration to Palestine' to 'mass Palestinian immigration to Palestine'!? What history books do u actually read?
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast. The Palestine Mandate included Jordan as well, which the majority of the Arabs resided. On the side alotted to the Jews, it was mostly barren, deserted, swampy land. The Jews purchased that land and worked it, employing Arabs coming from Jordan and eleswhere...in fact some Jewish leaders (Rothschilds) warned against this very thing. Arab immigration is recorded in British records. You need to study.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman Yes, the Mandate included Transjordan as well, but u have forgotten one impt element: Transjordan was an autonomous region, whereas Palestine was ruled directly by Britain. Of course there's many Arabs in Jordan, but there's also a Arab majority in Palestine. At no time, before or even in 1948, was there a Jewish-majority in mandatory Palestine. Study this.
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@PeaceForMidEast When the Balfour Declaration was produced the British Mandate of Palestine included what is now Jordan....Britian carved Jordan out of 80% of Palestine. Many Arabs immigrated from Jordan to Israel during the Agricultural movement...and whether they were a majority or not is irrelevant...because the land they immigrated too was Jewish owned.
sugarhitman 1 year ago
@sugarhitman If your position is that the Jews were the majority in 1948, or even the Arabs were the majority in 1948 Palestine due to mass immigration, then I have nth to say. Everyone knows that the Arabs were the majority in 1948, but their position was threatened by an increasing Jewish immigration!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
@sugarhitman BTW, ur case is deeply-flawed with the fact that u dont even recognise there's an illegal Israeli occupation going on!
PeaceForMidEast 1 year ago
hamas dosnt = islamic jhad..quite the opposite, hezbollah isnt considered a terroist group by thwe world community, neither were Hamas until pressured by Us and israeli dogz,
Izrael is so despised and seen as the biggest threat to world peace..
Blumbi 2 years ago
lol so muslims with all their number are not strong as Israel thats cool
fullmoonmike 2 years ago 2
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL i swear i laughed so hard when i read this, YOU REALY ARE STUPID!! HAHA ROFL!!!!
fathersecrets 2 years ago
the palestine pepole are like spoyled child that is never happy with what they get we should give these child hard love and take what we gave them
greenspanisrael 2 years ago
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"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]
SpeKs09 2 years ago
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Ashels, there is no point. All of the viewers that post comments hare are blind idiots who choose to cover their ears and eyes at the truth. I post them facts and they respond by giving me thumbs down. Hilarious! As if the information that I have posted here is an opinion, these are facts, real events that have been carried out by the Israeli Army and funded and supported by the US. The US gives Israel over $6 Billion yearsly while its citizens do not have Health care and addecuate education!
Tojajola 3 years ago
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You believe this constant profit making liar?
1984, the end didn't come, 1987, the end didn't come, 1997, the end didn't come.
Ted Hagard, huge hypercte, huge liar, still a hero in your blind stupid eyes. You not only live the lies, you welcome them
AsheIsTheRaven 3 years ago
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Israel broke Ceasefire in November 2008, not Hamas. Since 1967 Israel is not interested in peacemaking, but expansionism and expulsion of Palestinians. Last year 400 civilians were murdered and not one rocket was fired. Israel has broken over 90 UN Regulations and Humanitarian Rights Laws, and is using depleted Uranium, White Phosphorous and Cluster Bombs, which have been banned by 90 Nations, against an unarmed, harmless people. These are War Crimes!
Tojajola 3 years ago
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Palestinians live within Israel's Aphartheid Walls like prisoners, without clean water, medicine and electricity. The Palestinians, have been prisoners in their own land for 60 years, and they have done nothing. If Israel would treat them like normal human beings, such groups as Hamas would never rise to power. They do not even have a Home Army, any people would resist and fight back if they were being violently occupied as they Palestinians have been. Inform yourself and WAKE UP!
Tojajola 3 years ago
Then why does israel lets thousands to work inside the country? The only reason Israel has blockaded Palestine is becuase they are containing the beast. There is not other solution since the Israelis are not merciless killers like the Palesinans whom have targeted dozens and dozens of cafes, public transportation buses and civilian resdenccies in the south.
anatole84 3 years ago 4
If Palestinians used money given to them by UN and the US to rebuild their country and prosper on it instead of using it on weapons against Jews, it would be peaceful. Go blame Egypt and Syria for not letting them back home.
anatole84 3 years ago 7
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You are poorly informed. Research the 1982 Massacres in the Sabra and Shatila Refugee Camp, the 2002 Massacres in the Jenin Refugee Camp. The thousands of civilians slaughtered (elderly, women and children) were unarmed, starving and helpless. These crimes were led by the Israeli army and ordered by Sharon, the man that Bush claimed as a "peace maker". But, of course, the US government and media do not inform you about these massacres. Wake up!
Tojajola 3 years ago
You are ignorant primitive antisemite who believes cheap propaganda: in 1982 Sabra and Shatila was performed by Lebanese Christian phallanges as revenge to how Muslims Palestinians destroyed Lebanon and massacered the Christians in Damour. Search for Brigitte Gabriel documentary. In Jenin- Israel lost 23 fighters for being too careful not to harm Arab civilians. If you ask me: Israel was stupid, as enemy should be treated as enemy. Modern Nazis are radical muslims: that is why YOU support then
JusticeVSpropaganda 2 years ago 2
what are you insane?????? look back...seriously arabs in israel at a certain point had more rights than the israelis, and definitly had more rights in israel than in any other arab country!!! Plus after all the terror that israel went through over MANY years israel continued to support palestine economically!!!! YOU WAKE UP!
maoseeshu 3 years ago 5
Always search out the truth! Thank you for this video! Keep vigilant of fake videos and the propaganda coming out of Iran (which has a control of over 54% of internet connections of the entire MidEast) and parts of the arab world. Pray for truth, and unbiased journalism. France2, BBC etc. we are watching you!
nomoredeception 3 years ago 12
excellent video
unkechapt48 3 years ago 13