Ancient Arrow Site of WingMakers

[zeepster]

What is the title of the track playing from the start? Nice music. Sounds like it's from the early 2000's from one of those Cafe Del Mar cd's

[TheEndOfAge]

If this place is real why can't we visit it? It would be a major discovery if it really exists.

[LuzEnTuCamino]

@TheEndOfAge I believe the place has been found. I have seen it is in an island far from the supposed place in the usa. It is devoid of the paintings or any other artifact but the structure is amazingly similar. And yes it is quite impressive, Amazing to be sure.

[helenavdbrink]

Beautiful video!! and I love Wingmakers! Thank you for making this video!

[You2beer4eva]

where is that place ????

[helenavdbrink]

Beautiful! Love it! Thank you very much.

[TheSmitty353]

Dan Salter of the NRO confirmed this to be true and that the ACIO does exist. Majestic 12 seems to have been competing for technology with them.

[frequencyspecific]

Some great artwork. Am aware of the Wingmakers but unsure what this is about. Fun nonetheless. Thanks you.

[earthbowl]

A wonderful experience- I've watched this video many times and it never gets old.

My appreciation

[xHizukax]

lol, this site is purely bullshit..... all websites that has 'selling' stuffs are 100% pure bullshit.. trust me...

[TheOcturian1111]

Behold The Central Race

[randomlaughingman]

re:TARDEDCHANNELCOPIER = my account.

[dharmathai]

i still wanna know how in heel the paintings are supposed to be available to us here for viewing when this wholesite location and identity of witnesses is so shrouded in secrecy? who geot the paintings and who made them here as a video, and why arent the real ones anywhere to be found? Thes paintings are so obviously made by some hippy its unbelieveable how people fall for such marketing and misinformation scams - a marketing and arts team has concocted this story with hired story writers.

[nicklick3]

The words to the music are saying - To thine own selves be true - know thy self and thine own self will be made known to thee.

[kwassify]

I would like to know IF SOMEONE on EARTH understand a few words from this beautiful music.... If this song is not from extraterrestrial-beings, some people (from earth) could understand a word from this music.

[mermadeinheaven]

Still have some cleansing / integration issues tho.. it's like my software is all fragmented and i need to get it reorganized

[randomlaughingman]

Maybe this'll help?

(put the 3 w's in at the start of the web address)

zauberpilz(dot)com/psychedelic­_experience.php

[randomlaughingman]

Found it - go to the official wingmakers(dot)com site, and put this link in after it,

interview/indexi.html

that takes you to the original version of the website, where you can compare the Neruda interviews to the Anderson ones etc. And yes, there's loads about Mayan prophecies, 2011, animus' and robot hostile invasions.

[mermadeinheaven]

my feeling is that the animus is the ego.. if u read "the energetic heart", youll get some idea of what i mean.. and u can correlate that with eckhart tolle's version of ego.. they sound strikingly similar.

[randomlaughingman]

Not sure if the original site is any longer linked at the current site version, but if you go here (at the official wingmakers(dot)com website),

/music/bkreview.html

it details the hoo-hah surrounding the 'exposure' of the original site to have been an art project by Mark Hempel or he was acting on behalf of someones else.

[randomlaughingman]

btw I also know, and have said so before, that your cult monitors things I type - and ensures you post garabge to me whenever I just wrote anything that you don't want anyone to see in my 'recent activity' here. So when I reply your idiocy it replaces the other things I wrote, observe.

[Sundrumify]

Thank you for this video.

Of course, this is a round-up with all the material on the Wingmakers homepage.

Anyways, I love your presence and endeavour, and you are living in my heart, in compassion.

Lisa

[jahara2012]

Fun with photo shop 101

[dharmathai]

its just marketing and art applied to an original way of selling. the copyright thing is a dead giveaway.. people should think more clearly and it should be easy to see

[mermadeinheaven]

"its just marketing and art applied to an original way of selling."

Again, these are merely speculations that your mind is distracting you with. For your information, no marketing or advertising has been done to promote the Wingmakers website since it first came online.

[dharmathai]

well they are selling stuff on their website. Isnt that marketing?

[dharmathai]

how come the location has not been revealed? and how come the paintings are not visibly fotograhed to be on any cave walls? if Dr, neruda was telling the truth he wouldnt mind revealing the whereabouts exactly so humanity can see for themselves.

its a commercial world and spirituality/new age is abig market

[mermadeinheaven]

These materials are not for those who are still looking for proof and answers in the form of photos and explanations. Theyre for those who will practice the methods given and find their own inner proof.

[dharmathai]

of course there are many subtle truths which the inner knower can find and experience.. this is the way that the most adept tricksters market their lies! with the truth shrouded in small stumbling blocks to make you lose the real point

[randomlaughingman]

Worse, in the original website his name was 'Dr. Anderson' - then after The Matrix came out that was changed.......then, a real Dr. Anderson that did a real interview about his real time-technology (he created enclosed fields that made plants grow backwards, ie made them get younger) vanished after 9-11. And the website with his real interview changed about 40 times and erased all the original proof. It's a big massive conspiracy.

[mermadeinheaven]

"Worse, in the original website his name was 'Dr. Anderson"

Youre a bit behind there actually. It has been explicitly stated on the site that the neruda interview is a mythology designed to convey truths in the form of a myth. If you cant understand what that is, then further education might help u.

[randomlaughingman]

I don't fucking think so, are you nuts, cause yoiu sound it. The original 'Neruda' interviews, moron, used to be different. He was called Dr. Anderson in the original interviews. Then they changed his name to Nerdua, than much later on when the James material came out, then they started saying that the previous interviews were made up. Cover up.

[randomlaughingman]

Additionally, in the e-book there were details of what they named the Incunabula, which were aliens that controlled all the mining and the use of this planet for resources, and that is who the ACIO and Labyrinth Group (Corteum) worked with. Which is a latter-day version of Nibriu and reptilians and all that Sitchin info.

[randomlaughingman]

Do you even have a basic notion of how time works? You say I'm behind, when I refer to the original - that means there wasn't anything prior to it. And the thing about where 'animus' comes from - as if who penned the website wouldn't have been previously aware of it's use in Jungian psychology...."events undergo the formality of actually occuring" - you don't see a movie but first flick through the whole reels, unless you were involved in making it you view it linear, maybe a trailer before.

[LunkwillFook]

Only some questions, if I may: As great as the myth sounds - what's this "copyright" - thing? Isn't it about inspiration and enlightenment of the people? Shouldn't the word be spread? For free - like the Bible. Or does someone have a "copyright" of the bible? And don't tell me that they have to work with musicians and have to pay them. That's why they have to sell the music, which is part of the myth. Neruda made 10.000 bucks out of "nothing" (see interview sessions), so why worrying 'bout money

[mermadeinheaven]

The copyright is so that people are disinclined to try sell the materials for profit. Other than that, you can distribute the materials freely.

Goto the website and inform yourself properly by reading the FAQ and Q&A

[randomlaughingman]

Aren't the CDs and the book on sale, ie - for a price? Which I remember also saying some time back - if it's coming from the same people then surely they wouldn't need money, cause they can just manifest it (or manifest what it can buy). I wish I could manifest money, it'd make my life so much better in every concievable way.

[mermadeinheaven]

"Aren't the CDs and the book on sale, ie - for a price?"

Yes, but the greatest portion of the materials and the core materials tehmselves are available for free. Youre not obliged to purchase anything, nor are you even encouraged to purchase anything (i.e. there are no adverts flashing in ur face showing half-price sale signs while ur browsing the site).

[randomlaughingman]

But they sell them, so they are not the original website ACIO defectors etc who were able to manifest money. Either the whole thing was a big lie all along, or at some stage there was an actual blackops defector, and now that's been covered up by all the new age nonsense and liars claiming they made the whole site themselves. The veracity of any of this rests upon the original interviews being true, otherwise it's just some guy plying his own beliefs through some art he made.

[randomlaughingman]

Worse still, it may not be just some guys beliefs manifest through art based on someone else's art, it could well be that it is a cover-up to stop people seeing what the land'owners' are doing to this planet. Given what facts are publically known, the latter is a very distinct possibility. Get people to mince over nonsense while the parasites it was meant to expose continue to plunder the Earth IN ACTUAL REALITY.

[mermadeinheaven]

well well, u seem to know all the answers about the wingmakers website and its creators... maybe u ought to lobby against them to have it taken down or something lol

[mermadeinheaven]

"But they sell them, so they are not the original website ACIO defectors etc who were able to manifest money"

that kind of reasoning is childish. u think that just because there are some items available on the site for purchase that it's impossible to manifest physical objects (i.e. money)? lol ur reasoning is laughable at best. how can u base such conclusions on that? and why is manifesting money such a big obsession to u? is that all u were able to get out of the materials?

[randomlaughingman]

It's not childish, it's called logic. You're the one acting immature over this. If someone claims to be in favor of benefitting humanity, and they claim to be of the same people that can magic up money, then they would not charge money for the materials they claim are helpful - they wouldn't need to charge money.

[mermadeinheaven]

Actually youre quite the child in this equation. All youre doing is calling your imaginary fairy-tale "logic" and then expecting others to follow it. lol some kindve joker you are. lol

[randomlaughingman]

You're mentally ill. You can't put inverted commas around 'logic' and that somehow makes it seem like you used any at all. You're some loonbag defending a cult - the irony being, like all fakes you dish out abuse you try to mask as advice, cause you're simply a bitchfest and nothing more, which relies on this notion you have of ego - yet your own ego is completely invested in this tarded crap being real. You should go play World of Warcraft, at least it doesn't pretend to be real.

[mermadeinheaven]

I can do watever i want, i dont hav to follow any of the rules of grammar if i dont chose to. but u, ur like a robot that tries to be perfect about everything lol

btw, ur silly assumption that im affiliated with a particular group of people is just ur own self-made hallucination and doesnt correlate with reality. lol

[randomlaughingman]

Well I didn't bring it up, but since you mention it yes the way you write is really fucked up and stupid, and goes hand in hand with how your brain doesn't work properly. The way you add 'lol' to the end of all your posts also points to cult brainwashing.

[mermadeinheaven]

there u go again with ur assumptions (which to u appear as facts, because ur so brainwashed into ur own cultist belief structure -- now all u need are some followers) lol

[randomlaughingman]

Which assumptions are those? Nothing I'm saying here has any earmarks of cult anything. It's called having a memory and reading things, using a brain to figure stuff out. I'm as far as you can possibly get from the type of imbeciles that want or need followers. I refuse to deal with anyone that requires a guru, only those sane enough to deal with equality - being responsible for their own awakening.

[mermadeinheaven]

"yes the way you write is really fucked up and stupid, and goes hand in hand with how your brain doesn't work properly." <---- assuming that because i dont always follow the rules of grammar to absolute perfection that u can automatically conclude that my brain doesnt work properly lol.

[randomlaughingman]

Not just that, look at what you are doing here - trying to cover up that evil aliens are ruining the planet, like the other cult members that took over this material so they can claim it isn't based on facts about where all the spiritually corrupt Earth destroying systems all come from.

[mermadeinheaven]

ok ok, lets rewind... now ur sayign im trying to cover up that the aliens are here? which aliens are u talking about exactly?

[randomlaughingman]

No need to rewind, it was all laid out in my original concerns that I posted to this (or the other wingmakers') video comments.

[mermadeinheaven]

Have you read any of the other wingmakers materials besides the interviews? what's your view on the chamebr philosophy papers?

[randomlaughingman]

Which ones, the original website or later stuff or...?

[randomlaughingman]

These are the original websites chamber philosophies, not sure how similar or otherwise they are to any current versions,

(again, type this in after the URL for the offical site,wingmakers(dot)com)

/arrow/chambers/indexes/philo.­html

[randomlaughingman]

At a glance they look the same, there may be some differences - obviously I haven't read thru both again in that short space of time since posting that.

What always comes thru tho is - when they say about individual relationship to the universe....yet always online, I find different people to me who, rather than try to develop themselves are always trying to instead present themselves as mirrors, or the universe itself, or in some way an aspect of me. That completely contradicts the material...

[randomlaughingman]

...as really they are separate people in their own universe on their own journey. Yet always the insistence that they can ignore their own self and pretend to be an aspect of me etc. So time and again, they come over as some kind of beings that are trying to mess up any evolved suggestions from any available material. I never read this stuff and come to the conclusion that I must be someone else posting online, or that I'm a mirror of their actions......so why does it affect them that way.

[mermadeinheaven]

yeah i havent actually really read them properly, iv been more interested in the interviews and also the interviews that were done in april 08 and nov-dec 08.. have u seen those interviews? also im interested in the paintings, but now im going to go back over the philosophy papers and jus test to see how they compare to other spiritual philosophies and teachings that i know it.. might find some interesting correlations

[randomlaughingman]

I've got a feeling that it's a veiled explanation of how this situation came about - logically it could only go wrong through abuse of a tech like BST; the story is about their trying t get BST to stop the 2011 invasion; but it seems to be paradoxical in the sense that, if things were ok anyway, you'd never need BST cause there wouldn't be hierarchical dramas involving invasions and planet takeovers.

eg the 'Montauk' info explains how tech was abused to mess up the timeline, which is how there..

[randomlaughingman]

....came to be those types of 'aliens' who were so unevolved they made the human slaves in the first place, and started up the type of creation-destroying systems there are here.

[randomlaughingman]

Where's the '08 interviews?

[mermadeinheaven]

check your inbox

[randomlaughingman]

'K, I thought you meant Anderson / Neruda interviews. I'll have a look at them anyway, though I still suspect that the way it went more falls into the 'Redhawk project trying to get to the next world without actually doing what they know they need to do' category - ie, it's Hierarchy controlled stuff. But I will read it cause I might be wrong and it's different now.

[randomlaughingman]

I think.......it's like reading what another person who also went and learned a bunch of stuff and came back with some amount of answers has to say. I sort of do that myself, when I go blabbing about on the internet, so to me it's just another person who also is talking about stuff they think is true and saying 'this is why I think it's true'.

Nobody has really said anything new in the last 10 years ro so, as to spiritual info - all the interviews with any personality talking about the same....

[randomlaughingman]

...topics are just all saying the same thing. eg when I was young I read things say like by Leary and McKenna, and none of the new agey stuff is saying anything that different these days. You could lookup anything in Eastern spirituality, UFO contactee info, and shamanism and entheogens - it all says the same things. I'm not a 'hang on to what a certain persons own personal journey is' kind of person. I just do my own and output what I find, except I just chat about it & don't publish.

[randomlaughingman]

Though I never meant to imply that I wrote loads of texts or painted pictures, cause I don't really do that kind of thing. I just do the philosophy / blabbing bit. Someone has to - there's so many idiots going around deliberately spreading lies about really important topics.

[mermadeinheaven]

"it's like reading what another person who also went and learned a bunch of stuff and came back with some amount of answers"

yes basically.. it's reading two things 1) description from another and 2) methods from another.. The most important from these two are the methods, because it's only thru application of a method can you yourself obtain direct perception of what is being talked about.

[mermadeinheaven]

we're both aliens. lol

[randomlaughingman]

Sorry, I've lived my whole life and my past lives as a human in mundane Earth reality. If I am an alien, it'd be in the sense that my soul is different to many of the types of morons they let on this planet - and is clearly also very different from your soul or whatever equivalent to that you have.

[mermadeinheaven]

youre still an alien lol

[randomlaughingman]

Explain how I am an alien. Go. Try using things, say like what aliens do - and compare to that to what I do. See how much sense it makes when you actually type it out in words. Cause I'm obviously not a repto right? Or I'd be a liar about the environment who also tells lies about how the universe works. So what kind of alien are you saying I am, and why.

[randomlaughingman]

btw I'm not being sarcastic there, I really do want you to be open about what kind of alien you think I am, and why - what behaviour characteristics do they display that you see in my posts here. Bearing in mind that means using what I actually write, not what you or anyone else wish it said instead.

[mermadeinheaven]

haha i know i know

the interesting thing tho about whatu say is that im aware that im part alien, that's why its no surprise to me that u detected that lol i need to find a way to integrate the human and the alien, otherwise if the alien dominates my existence then ill hav no humanity left in me

[mermadeinheaven]

it can be easy to be apathetic and indifferent to everything and anything that happens.. if that happens then it can easily turn into more suffering.. individually and collectively

[randomlaughingman]

Some of the Flower of Life info. said the Sitchin (Annunaki) info is only part of the story, I think that is correct because it explains why there's the eco-destructive humans (come from the 2nd Bible creation story that explains the aliens that made slave people (miners, gardeners), and the actual Earth people (indigenous, shamanic, tribal, etc) who are not at all like the 'invaders' creations and who were seeded and taught by nice aliens (or angels if you prefer) who don't wreck the Earth.

[randomlaughingman]

Further to that - the difference being that there were the 'aliens' that made the biology in general, and the universe, the force behind creation itself, and they are the ones who taught the indigenous folks. The other 'aliens' made the type of human that is dominant on Earth today - the ones who though on this planet are cut off from being aware that nature is as alive and conscious as they are, and have spent their time replacing nature with their alien-makers ideas of cities and systems.

[mermadeinheaven]

every being that has authentic dna is an ET, but for most humans we dont see it that way becuz humans hav a way of defining things within the narrow confines of their distorted perceptions.

[mermadeinheaven]

"I wish I could manifest money, it'd make my life so much better in every concievable way. "

Unfortunately, money wont prevent u from being over-taken / possessed by an overinflated ego. lol

[randomlaughingman]

Well unlike you bitch, I don't have that issue anyway. You are fucking insane.

[mermadeinheaven]

"Well unlike you bitch.."

there goes ur ego again. it gets very defensive at times doesnt it? hav u noticed? lol

[randomlaughingman]

But I was right wasn't I - inside you are the usual fake newager, who is not about evolving anyone at all, you exist just to have cheap digs at anyone that has a brain that works. Hence why I called you a bitch. It's not defensive - you got personal by strongly implying I have an ego problem, just because I use sane methods of truth-discovery. So you must be evil then.

[randomlaughingman]

Note how all fake cultists require to stop anyone that can think, from actually thinking. They get up to all sorts, from emotional abuse leverage to uppity garbage, all designed to make you too embarrased to use your brain. What's the problem, worried that thinkers see right through what you're doing, past the haze you put up to make it seem like harmless nonsense to those who do think, but whom you've already misdirected away from truth and the reality of the soul.

[randomlaughingman]

You know, in case it somehow slipped your notice, the sole reason you can even view anything online even if it is free, is because people mined the Earth and then had the big money system to build the internet and put it all in place, & then you pay to get online. The economic system is all wrong, but there's no escaping the practical realities of why anything people make use of exists. You know? Homeless people won't see shit on the internet, you need money for a computer too.

[mermadeinheaven]

"You know? Homeless people won't see shit on the internet, you need money for a computer too."

yeah but when it becomes an obsession --as it appears to be with you-- then youre in deep doodoo! lol

[randomlaughingman]

See how inside, you are just about personal attacks - you are those 'aliens' that have no emotions, so you try to take apart real people by character-assassination. I point out another truth about the hijacking of this material, or overall wool-pull - your response is to try to make it seem like I am obsessed with the internet so I must be wrong. You're the same as political fakes trying to cover up 9-11, you can't address the actual issues, you just attack personally using lies.

[randomlaughingman]

Reality Check: thank fuck for the internet, otherwise people like me, trapped in urban nightmares soley because of lack of money and no other reason, don't have to be tortured as much by not being able to go outside because of the fucking noise pollution etc. At least the prison of no money that stops me being able to live somewhere bearable, with only nature around me & no spiritually-corrupt scum, is alleiviated by being able to go online.

[randomlaughingman]

See the explanation for why they weren't allowed to do the magic-up-money etc thing - can't be accurate, how can it affect markets if they could magic-up raw materials too. It's not because it would affect markets, it's cause it stops the fake game and fake players controlling this reality, when you can just get to where you need to be at in an instant. ie - 7 days = universe complete, no more messing possible. I know what I'd do forever, I don't need no stupid lowlevel games.

[mermadeinheaven]

"See the explanation for why they weren't allowed to do the magic-up-money etc thing"

There's nothing to indicate that James (the creator) doesnt manifest money.. but then again, if he did, why would he confirm it to u? would u? i doubt it

[randomlaughingman]

Yeah there is plenty of indicate he can't manifest money - they charge money for the e-book and the CDs, and used to charge money for other things sold on the wingmakers site too. Which contrary to what you claim here, was advertised in all kinds of ways. How do you think anyone knew it existed? The original website was partially reproduced, in the 90s, in Nexus magazine and in a book called The Time-Travellers Handbook. 'why would he confirm it'?! - duh, 'Anderson' already did.

[mermadeinheaven]

"Yeah there is plenty of indicate he can't manifest money - "

Ok well that's just ur personal belief anyway, and u hav no way of proving it either lol

[randomlaughingman]

No of course I can't prove it, but it's the most likely truth. Anyone would reach the same conclusion if they thought about it using a working brain - they wouldn't need money if they really were the people this material is meant to be about. Either that or someone took their magic powers, but instead of talking about that they are trying culty stuff on beliefs instead.

[mermadeinheaven]

"No of course I can't prove it, but it's the most likely truth"

According to your "logic" yes. lol

[eyeofhoruszero]

First thing to remeber is that everyone is becoming aligned with a common purpose... as this happens we will reach a common distaste for those aspects of modern civilisation that are unnessisary to our shared purpose! spirituality will cease to be held in relics and become contained in ones personal relationship with the infinite! meaning you do not need to own sacred things to touch the sacred!

equally money will become a disgusting thing for people who have too much..

[ziyadelkadar]

so, some body can answer me what about to built a world sytem without money? can be possible? is it losting time try to do it? does the new order contains money again? ...those who really knows , really can ansewr me..sorry fro encrypt. ill be waittin for your answer.

[eyeofhoruszero]

YES MATE... the spiritual change and new world order... will be such a massive cultural change money will be made obselete.... the first stage is a transferal from a general tribal consiousness. to a general global consiousness... this alone will spell out iminent disters in capatilist society and bring the hammer of change smashing down onto the face of our world!

[ziyadelkadar]

thanks a lot, i have never thought someone can answer me. now i see there are so many people alinged with this purpose. i was disapointed thinking that money will continue existing,

[ziyadelkadar]

Neruda talked about Some kinda federation s economical system, and i was thinkind it cant be! money in super humanitys? i would like work on the disable of this system in our world, i need to know it is possible, i need to belive there are poeople like u that think we can do it. the money kingondom must be replaced for the intergal sovereign kingdom.

[ziyadelkadar]

Thnks a lot for your answer. only few weeks ago i have seen wingmakers on the web and im happy, excited and in the complete anylising of the info, sorry if im disturbing tou, but again, thanks alot.

[abracadabrais]

Even beyond brilliant. So much more of the way the art is meant to be viewed. You brought both the colours and some of the paintings ALIVE. It is a transcendental experience and left me quite elated ...kind of trancelike. I am incandescent now! Thank you for the journey. These works were meant to be shared. Thank You Friend.

[taylorgrey2004]

If this is so goddamn secret and can't be trusted into public knowledge, and Fifteen is so careful about leakage - how is this here? And why can't I go to the site myself and fully appreciate the aesthetic, as I am meant to, or feel I am meant to? Even if it is hidden, I have a way of finding it. Clever, clever.

[MergeOneWorld]

you can do all of what you suggest. it isn't secret. if it was so secret it would not be on line? enjoy it. let yourself move into it.

[ZeddZar]

brilliantly done, thanks for this.