Abortion is not only killing people it also reduce the number of the American population and this will have some effects like having a weaker country, a weaker army that could be defeated by countries like China.
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what's the difference between abortion and males masturbating? isn't it the same? masturbation kills billions of potential people. so why not try to get your government to ban masturbation? LOL. all you people are hypocrites. why bring a life into this shitty world if its not gonna have a good home. and what if she was raped? quick to judge...what was it that Jesus said about judging?
Thats not potential people, thats semen. (only 23 chromosomes) It needs the egg in order to be the necessary 46 chromosomes to begin the process of life.
dennosh- both (for men and women) are separations from pure grace. although masturbating is not killing a human, it is a turning away from open grace and ultimately selfish. some things have more than a "rational" explanation. if you want to know the truth, pray and ask for understanding.
if life is sacred, if the union which provides for conception is sacred, if marriage is to allow love to conceive children in a safe and well balanced environment,
then
satan has really gotten over on our media and culture.
now is the time to pray i guess, since this allowing of millions to be aborted is in fact the tribulation.
there are worse things than dying. we all die. would you rather lead a life of principle? many wonderful children and grownups have "resulted" from rapes. read their stories. don't kill something for convenience or pain reduction.
At St. Patrick Catholic Parish, in Gainesville Florida, Father Julien and Father Bui both spoke from the pulpit in support of the RESPECT LIFE movement to send post cards to our senators and respresentatives urging them to fight FOCA.
The Fathers also spoke, in harmony with the liturgical year, to the conversion of Paul.
God is capable to doing anything. God empowers us to make the correct CHOICE to follow Him and CHOOSE LIFE!
Maybe we should pray for Obama? There is still time for him to change his mind! He can change his mind on FOCA and we ahould pray that he does. We should also pray that Planned Parenthood will stop keeping secret staduatory rape cases secret so abortion can be performed.
my guess is that many folks who are "pro abortion" would be appalled and cry (rightly so) to think of ripping out baby elephants or whales or horses from the womb, even at 1 or 2 months before natural birth, for any except the most absolutely pressing medical reasons.
Marow, abortion is never necessary. And there are many cases where rape babies actually do live happy and good lives and the mother was happy she chose to give birth to them.
Teen mothers can be even more traumatized because they will most likely be ridiculed and/or avoided at school, leading her to depression. Also, she shouldn't have to drop out of school just so she can carry a baby for nine months.
I'm not saying that all rape babies should be aborted no matter what, I'm saying that whether the baby should be aborted is the mother's decision and is best left up to her instead of the hands of pro-life activists.
Marow, rape is a horrible crime and never should happen to anyone.
No one should be ridiculed for being pregnate. However the girl doesn't really have to drop out of school to carry a pregnancy, and after birth there is help for her.
Pro-life activists actually do their part to help people with cases like these. The Catholic Church or other churches in her area could provide help or a place to get help. And her true friends would be there to help her with this.
Pro-life activists and the Catholic Church just make the mother feel guilty, in my opinion. I think that unless the mother is so mentally handicapped that she can't make decisions, it's her choice whether to keep the baby or not.
You make this sound honorable, trying to take away the rights of woman like that.
"Why should one human have the right to choose if another lives of dies? That's barbaric, brutal, and heartless."
You are deciding that the baby must live.
I don't want all babies to be aborted, and I think it can be ugly, yes. But I think the woman who is pregnant should still have the right to choose - she is, after all, going through all the pain of bearing it.
A woman doesn't always choose to get pregnant - she could have been raped! "Murder", both in the abortion-sense and criminal sense, can be a choice too, one which I will let the mother make.
First of all, I am a woman. Not a "Mr." I think that being left-wing and/or feminist is fine, so that isn't much of an insult there. I think infanticide is a crime, but infanticide is the killing of a BORN baby outside the womb and has no benefits. Abortion, on the other hand, can have benefits.
You say "the womb belongs to the mother," Marowak, implying that she is a Mother and therefore carrying a son or daughter. But,
the womb does not belong to the mother, if it belonged to a human it would be the baby for which it is intended. the womb, the heart, the head, all belong to God. use with love and wisely, as a mysterious gift, don't let yourself be driven by the media, or selfishness or convenience.
Even your LIFE doesn't "belong " to you. can you decide when you will come into existance or die? Does the wind "belong" to the earth or the sky ? does the tree "belong" to the forest? all i'm saying is that the Loving Universe is what it is. i'm not trying to get you so angry, sorry, but point out the possibility that we are connected in a different way than you might think. the Math of the Universe may not give a "right" to someone to destroy an innocent human life without grave consequenses.
I understand your point of view, but what you're also implying is that religious doctrine should be a part of U.S. law. It would be illegal to put such a law into effect, because Congress is not allowed to pass a law that is based on or supports certain religious doctrines.
almost all laws are based on religious morality. do not steal, kill, lie, etc.
this is true in both religous and non countries. the basis of a successful society is that the people are moral. contracts are "honored"
if we are just flotsam and jetsom ameobas floating around, and there is no right and wrong, all is propagation of the genes, then Hitler is the best of all. yay.
but through history, each culture all eras have born witness to the same Universal Truth. science -just science, ok.
Firstly, not all bad choices will put you in hell.
Secondly, you will only actually go to hell after you die if you have not repented (gone to Confession/Reconciliation)and/or no one intercedes for you/prays for you while you stand before God, waiting for your judgment.
Free will is a gift.God does not say: Love me or else!You cannot compare the creator of everything,who is pure love& goodness,to your "men telling his girlfriend.." Your projecting.God is not human,His ways are far above ours. Jesus is fully human & fully Divine, Not 1/2 & 1/2. Can your human mind comprehend that? Many can't yet it is the Truth. Our limited minds have a hard time grasping it the same way we do with other mysteries, such as gravity or the speed of light. Can you explain either?
this is a great pictorial!!! come on America, when are we going to take a stand and protect the innocent?? Abortion is millions of times worse than slavery or animal abuse ever was/is.
Why is the evil one so jealous of God's people? The devils "Hell" is simply his chosen eternal separation from God The Father. The evil one's free will made this choice (a permanent one),he then tempted many other angels to follow him so he would not be alone. Now they prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls, who through Jesus were granted the ability to repent of their sins & again be in unity with the Father. It is a done deal for the evil one. Hell is separation from God
The Old Testament prophesied the coming of a Messiah. Jesus fulfilled the prophesy bringing about the conversion of several thousand Jews, the first Christians. The disciples using Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament were able to show the direct line to Jesus. The Jews, had expected an earthly King & Kingdom on Earth (as did the disciples pre- resurrection). Jesus in his perfection, opened wide his arms to all, showing the way to THE FATHER...not good news if one was a Pharisee.
The word 'peace' is repeated more in the bible than any other word.
(I will will recheck this, but I believe it to be true.)
The evil one uses temptation to promote chaos & division to collect souls.
The evil one, FOREVER sealed his fate, which is permanent separation from Our Father. his jealousy toward man now, cannot be stemmed. he will endlessly seek the ruin of souls, misery loves company so to speak. JESUS, THE MESSIAH, in offering HIS life for our sins, trumps evil & is hope for us.
You know maybe more people would listen if you didnt patronise .
me i have my own beliefs, and refuse to base my life on 1 of many books .But i do not force/preach my beleifs onto other people. Religions catholic ,muslim ,judaism ,have caused more war and death on this planet then any abortion or drug you people judge upon so much
JR:50 million murders through abortion (abortion is for profit) in America alone since 1973. I believe that number is conservative as well. Around the world, it is staggering. Europe has been killing itself off through abortion. Germany is now paying women to have children. Our immigration problem is fueled because we have been doing the same here and now need workers. Please study your facts, abortion harms women & men, It is a BRUTAL BUSINESS expoiting women and men for GREED, cash money!
ok i didnt study fact and tbh i made my last comment in 1 of those heat of the moment type things but although you explained abortion ,much like a politition you strayed away from the point i was making ...that religion of all kinds is 1 way to make differences between ppl much like a racist would -its hard to beleive in this day and age dispite evolution ,despite scientific facts ppl are still arguing / fighting / murdering over wats been proved as fairytales
true, the abrahamic religions have caused much war and strife, but at least we learned from it. *most* christians, particularly catholics imo, strive to the ways of peace today. we know that the wars were misguided.
abortion is happening *now*. we can do something about the policies of abortion, but we can't change the past.
You know what im done with you crazies. Im Catholic and Pro-choice, get over it, seriously. Your bible verses annoy the hell out of me so shut up. I have to read the bible DAILY, as in forced to. God gave us free will so just stop. Im not posting on this ever again but i will say one last thing. THIS VIDEO IS RETARDED AND A DISGRACE TO ALL CATHOLICS. 52% voted for obama BTW!
I suggest you take on a new attitude of going to Catholic School and making it wonderful. A cold heart that turns pink with good energy, will keep not only you but those around you, warm and safe.
well thank you, i do appreciate that. I pray that Catholic schools get a lot better because they are TERRIBLE here in DC. When you have been in Catholic school for 14 years, you are well aware of the corruption.
We are all called to participate in the works of Jesus. He simply asks that we strive to be 'holy' and pleasing to God. I believe Jesus, when he said to Peter "You are the rock and upon you I will build my church." Jesus knew men would perservere, yet struggle, for we are not perfection as he is. Learn discernment through study so Jesus can work through you to improve all schools, D.C. and elsewhere; Catholic and secular. Jesus sees the man or woman who comes to help carry his cross.
Being pro-abortion does indicate ignorance. Obviously you take the easy way out in all things, other wise you would not have made some immature slur, rather you would have answered the 2 questions posed to you. But you wont because then you would have to give it some real thought, and that would make you uncomfortable. And heaven forbid (or the RCC in your case) you should be made to feel uncomfortable by the truth.
wow, like i seriously care about making an immature "slur". This is freaking YOUTUBE. and get your facts straight its called pro-choice not pro-abortion. I have friends who are pro-life and they don't sit here and get all up in the business of other people and their beliefs.
And there were Germans who did not believe in concentration camps but did not get all up in Nazi's business because of a difference of beliefs either.
The old phrase "I would not have an abortion but think other people should have a choice." Well, that is the same as Germans who would not personally kill a Jew but had no problem with the Nazi's doing it. Whether a Jew then or a pre-born child now, murder is murder.
pro-choice is the term that people who are *for* the practice of abortion use to describe themselves, accentuating the rights of the woman to choose what happens to her own body. pro-abortion is a term that some pro-life advocates use to label people who call themselves pro-choice, accentuating the fact that they advocate a way of death to "protect" a woman's rights.
its just a different title, and it means much the same thing. don't get mad.
We place an emphasis on the Immaculate Coneption because thats when MARY was conceived. (knowing you, you probably thought it was Jesus). AND it was because she is the mother of GOD and was pre-destined to be without sin and Catholocism is the ONLY religion that places emphasis on that. My grandmother is presbyterian and they dont even care about that. Also, don't rely on the bible as your only source of faith. Its a book. (Don't get me wrong, im not saying its untrue or unimortant)
I know very well that Mary is the Immaculate Conception. My point is this: If life did not begin at conception the RCC (the one true church founded by Jesus Christ)would not refer to either Mary's or Jesus' for that matter. It would only refer to their births. Life begins at conception. If you disagree with that then please tell me when life does begin.
ALSO-In your opinion, is there a cut off point for abortions? A time during pregnancy when it is acceptable and a time it is not?
catholics *definitely* don't rely only on the bible as the only source of information. for example, it never says specifically in the bible that joseph was a widower, or that he was chosen to be mary's husband because his walking staff flowered. however, most pictures of joseph show him with either a right angle (because of his profession) or with flowers, because of that extra-biblical knowledge. we also get mary's genealogy and the names of the criminals crucified by Jesus this way.
catholics don't even rely solely on the bible for holy revelation. nothing in scripture is taken as fact without the agreement of tradition, and nothing in tradition is taken as fact without the agreement of scripture. it's kind of a fail safe. you do know that, right?
God gave us free will because He LOVES us, and wanted us to love him in return. Think, if we didn't have the choice whether or not to follow God, is it really love?
It makes me cry to think that there are 67 million Catholics in this country and we voted in a president like Obama. I pray for his conversion every day. That he would not institute the Freedom of Choice Act. Only a monster would do such a thing. I am crying for the lives lost, infants who deserve to be born, to have the chance to live, parents who care enough and know enough to go through with their pregnancies, a culture who would love and take care of their children. America! Wake up!
You'd be hardpressed to find an Obama backer in the Tridentine Mass Community. What you bemoan is the fruit of the Novus Ordo. That is a fact. There is no authentic Catholic spirituality or piety of any sort in Protepagan NovusOrdoland of gum-chewing, shorts and flipflops and Communion-in-the-paw. That is a FACT. You can bet your backside that the evil Erie Benedictine witches and the Sodomite loving bishop of Rochester, NY voted for that Marxist too. Bad fruit from the bad tree of Vatican II.
I assume you are in stem cell research or work in the abortion industry. Life is sacred from conception until natural death.
You rant of grieving the loneliness of your father in an orphanage yet you obsess over devaluing the lives of innocent others. Guilt is a private hell isn't it...so you wish to have others share it with you. Misery loves company? Merry Xmas Marley
Ahahahahaha!!!! lol... I'm a simple 20 year old man who works at a grocery store paying my way through college! lol, if my father was never born I wouldn't care because I wouldn't be here now would I? Misery? LMAO... I'm fine. I just don't think other children should suffer from starvation because their parents had to many kids because they didn't use a condom. Your pretty nasty for a God fearing person, take a lesson from chaelamay here. He can have an educated conversation without getting mad.
Fiercedeity02...You mistake anger for 'TRUTH'. Take the time to read YOUR words. "I'm fine. I just don't think other children should suffer". So you are fighting for the right to kill 'others'? The term for them is "Candy Apples" because they are burned alive. Partial Birth? Your postion is that a fully developed baby, does not feel the scissors penetrate the back of their skull? If this does not kill them, their brains are sucked out with a vacuum...every heard of Charles Dickens?
and, actually, fiercedeity defended the very position you are (partial birth, candy apple, and other late term abortions). he is against abortion after pregnancies are three weeks old.
Three weeks? What logic is this? Should a rose, at it's bud stage be discarded because one does not perceive a rose yet? A child is a child in it's early development just as a bud is a rose; Maybe we should debate money? What does compound interest do? It grows into more money. Is it not viable in the early stage because one does not yet see a pot of gold? Seeds it follows, are not worth anything either if one cannot envision them as a potato, carrot, peach.
i agree with you. i think abortion is reprehensible and that contraception is just as bad. you're preaching to the choir here. i have already made my stand quite firmly.
(btw, i think money is too faulty an analogy to use.)
however you, like fierce, were using pain and horror to defend your position. you even quoted dickens. fierce never agreed with the kinds of abortions you explicitly described.
I love how you give me a partial quote and not the full meaning behind it. Good job buddy.
Helllooooooo...... I already stated against that due to the highly developed nervous system and consciousness that is present. Please refer to Human Anatomy 101 to continue this conversation.
it doesn't actually offend me or anything, but i'm a female.
after careers in martial arts and automotive mechanics (as well as an add/adhd diagnosis), i am more easily identified with men than women to those who can't actually see or hear me, but i am a woman.
I wanted to see if you were a man or a woman so I could be as polite as possible. Age is important as well, usually older people such as wlcsb01 who is 47 usually have their thoughts hammered into place and are deadset in their beliefs. Change or a different view on thinking is considered taboo. So knowing your age helped me understand if you would listen and make this as formal a disscusion as possible. Plus I'm a social butterfly. ^_^
i'm almost 30, and i don't think age is really all that good a determinate of whether someone is set in their ways or not. people change their minds all the time.
More temples and churches have opened than have closed due to "lack of attendence". Now we have fifty flavors of christianity juidism ect. Don't try to bullshit us with this "poor me" act. Religion is not the vitcim here.
You have life, you can make it anything you want.True poverty is a soul that is too wounded to see the love in the world and to simply give it back.Allow joy of the simple things to allow you to see that your family found value in life...yourlife and that they or others cared enough to share food and shelter,so you can post your views to others.
You were and are loveable,share this fact today with those who need your smile and friendship.May God Bless You and Keep You.
To all of those in favor of abortion (and even for those who are not) google Demographic Winter in the YouTube search engine.
You can ignore the spiritual/religious components all together, but there is one thing you can't ignore. Our declining populations due to birth control and abortion are going to have long term economic factors everyone will have to deal with.
Around the globe, with a growing older population but declining younger one, who will do the work & pay the taxes?
Seriously?! That's great! The world is already overpopulated as it is with starving people. And family's with explosive births (like my father and his siblings) means lives of poverty and misery. So a few less people in the world... Not bad.
Poverty is not created by unborn children. Poverty is made by men and women who close their eyes to it or create it by their own greed. Surely you do not want to reduce the surface population by offering yourself?
Love your neighbor as you love yourself. It is really quite simple. I will pray for you.
Seeing as having more mouths in a family to feed then you can afford causes it too. My father didn't get a warm bed and food on his table as a child. His parents were against birth control and had 14 children. They became so poor that my father spent his childhood in a orphanage with no family at all. So instead of having 2 kids and make sure they grew up happy and healthy they had to have 14 and gave them all a shitty life. Bravo.... Bravo.
the point, fiercedeity, is that murder is not an acceptable means to combat that horrid reality. imagine for a moment that these 14 children were already born, and your grandparents made the choice to feed 2 of them and murder the rest through means direct or indirect. is that right? no one says that what your father went through was right or good, but killing those who live for the benefit of others, no matter how altruistic the attitude, is just as reprehensible as any other form of murder.
A fertilized zygote feels nothing, it is but a giant cell with no consciousness of existence whatsoever.The neural pathways of 3 week old fetus have not developed fully yet, st the time it is a low impulse of electrical charges giving small movements to the limbs to help strengthen itself for the months ahead and until birth. Beyond 3 weeks is unacceptable in my eyes, by that time the neural pathways are nearly done and a self consciousness begins to form. Killing a self aware being is murder.
careful. by relying on that logic, killing the profoundly mentally retarded who are also paraplegics is perfectly justifiable and morally sound.
a person doesn't have to feel pain to be a person. a human is defined as human through two facts: a distinctly human genome, and the presence of life.
(btw, it is redundant to refer to a zygote as fertilized; it is "fertilized" by definition. the egg is only an egg. immediately upon fertilization, she/he is called a zygote.)
So even though they are not aware of their existence, nor do they have a brain that functions more than just an electrical output device to stimulate early muscle development... They are still a full human to you? They have no idea of their existence nor is it possible for them.
You have to remember that humans naturally abort an egg every month. That seems a little flawed since in a sense they will be a future human... Right? So god made us naturally abort a future human too? Hmmm....
The natural monthly expulsion of an unfertilized egg is not an abortion. Self awareness is not the only indicator of personhood. One may fall into a coma for a while, but the persons does not cease to be human during the coma.
some more points: an egg is not a human any more than any other of the mother's cells. the mother is human, but that doesn't mean that all of the cells that make her up are individual human beings, and this includes all of her eggs.
fiercedeity, in your first paragraph, are you referring to the hypothetical person who is both profoundly mentally retarded and paraplegic, or are you referring to a zygote? (the coma comment was good too, toad.) cont...
in either case, you are dealing with a distinct living human. that single cell has a genome different from either mother or father, and so can't be considered a cell of either. that genome is human. also, the cell, no matter how small, is alive. he/she carries out metabolic processes. the child also grows and responds to the environment, and belongs to a viable species. if killing a human is reprehensible, then abortion is too, because it is tantamount to the same thing.
A fertilized egg that has just become a cell does not feel any pain. And think about this for a second, would a soul if killed within a newly made fertilized egg even be fully formed? For if we die and go to heaven we have all the conscience of our past life. This soul would be a shell. Can such a thing exist... Highly doubtful. So an early abortion would still be the removal a cell. And what if a woman was raped and can't have child because she is too young and it could possibly kill her?
And what about Fetus in fetu? A rare incident when two cells begin to form and one wraps around the other cell causing it to be literally trapped within the twin. Many years after the child is born they find this parasitic twin within them. It lacks a brain, organs, and in some cases bones. What about them? Do these highly deformed fetuses lacking a brain have a soul? Should they be removed from the twin even though they'll die? Can you honeslty say that this fetus has a soul?
finally, you have made a comment that actually challenges me! i knew you could do it! (i was rooting for you; i love arguing.)
that said, my previous comments still stand. the child in fetu is genetically distinct and metabolically alive. a distinction needs to be made; the child is genetically identical to her/his twin, but *developmentally* distinct. yes, this is a distinct being, but as in ectopic pregnancies, the killing is justifiable.
So even though this cell took a different path and became highly deformed, lacks a brain and organs it can be killed. Yet it began life as a fertilized egg and since this took place it is now considered a distinct human. Plus the essence of god is infused into a being at conception this clearly states that this is now a human just like a normal baby and should live.
My point: At a cellular level we have no mental characteristics of ourselves. Only after mental development can this be said.
yes, even though this cell grew to become highly deformed and lacks a brain and organs, it can be killed. in this instance, it is even preferable, but just as in an ectopic pregnancy, you can't lose sight of what you're doing. you have to kill and innocent human being for the sake of the host.
i agree that there is no mental characteristic. there isn't even a brain in your specific example! but, again, that is not to say that the child is not alive and distinct.
Ok then, so some abortions are ok and some are not depending upon the situation. Good enough answer and agreeable in my view. What about a rape victim?
Divulging slightly from the topic here but are contraceptives ok then for preventing unintended pregnancies? Sex is an intimate part between couples and it will always happen. So if the union of sperm and egg is hindered is that considered ok then? Or should sex be reserved for reproduction alone?
Fiercedeity02...A simple 20 year old man working at a grocery store??? A college man, why you are sooo unfortunant and ungrateful it appears. I will state again, your unjustifiable postion is guilt ridden. What is your chosen field?
Try bring some groceries to those who are in the postion your grandparents were....their children if not "killed" just might grow up and...go to college! Ahahahahaha!!!!
However,evil is willing to debate for eternity. I choose to be the face of hope for those lined up like cattle at America's death mills, to the elderly killed, way to much, with deliberate use of meds like morphine, steroids etc. Poor/wealthy, young/old. Research centers with their will pay $ for body parts portfolio's.
These truths are what is nasty. If addressing these evils makes someone uncomfortable, so be it.
you were insulting fiercedeity. i do not defend his opinions. i just don't think that insulting him is going to do a bit of good, for either of you, or for anyone else.
no, truth is not an insult. the things you say are not only truth, but directed at fiercedeity in obvious malice. respect for life includes his. that's what makes the christian way so difficult.
please, tell me that you don't think fierce is evil. he is human, and humans come from God.
Obvious malice? Do you think The Christ would find my words malice? Arguing death for others, is not of God. Read for yourself the "deity's" self pity, read the gifts he has received without a thankful heart. He presents a cold heart, having great fun at the suffering of others. Mocking, which he does quite regularly, is not of God. The subject matter is too serious. Nursing homes, hospitals, death mills, you will find me there bringing hope & help to those children of God in harms way.
yes, i think that Christ would find your words to be full of malice. defend life, certainly, but acknowledge also the dignity of *every* human. fierce is capable of good, as are all humans.
he doesn't seem to give thanks, but you can't assume that he has a "cold heart" because judgment of hearts belongs to God alone.
btw, please stop pointing to yourself as an ideal. the basis of your words (defending life) is sound, but you act without any kind of humility, which God loves.
You assume malice on my part...that is your judement...You cannot assume that I am putting myself as an ideal, that is your judgement...You assume I do not have humilty, that again is your judging. Read your own words sister. I am a mere servant who follows my Lord Jesus, The Chist. He was perfection and I strive only to be pleasing to him. If you are bothered by this, so be it.
you put yourself forth as an ideal because you make comments at the ends of more than a few posts making unrelated comments about what *you* do that you assume that i and fierce don't. (you're wrong on that count, btw, at least in my case.)
you don't act with humility. that is not a judgment, but a quantifiable fact.
i have been stating facts, and using them to defend my opinions. i have offered respect to you both, not judgment.
i do fight the foca. i didn't actually state that i was christian, but you are correct in *assuming* that i am. i wasn't defending evil, i was defending the right for fiercediety to argue his point, no matter whether you thought those arguments were crude or graceful, right or wrong.
i believe firmly in caritas, especially as quoted in corinthians. that is *why* i respect fiercediety. we can stand unequivocally against evil while respecting other people.
how am i speaking hypocritically? murder is heinous, but the person is not. love the sinner and hate the sin.
as for the fifth commandment, again, you are preaching to the choir. i have never disagreed with you on that, only on your treatment of a fellow human just because his opinion is different from yours.
our debate is about abortion and what it means, of course. i have thought long and hard about it, and continue to do so.
Oh you did not just mention my username. That is from a game that I loved it has nothing to do with my religious standpoint at all.
btw, you might want to ponder the whole "Thou shalt not kill part" since God in many texts had people killed or allowed people to be killed for various reasons. None the less... They were killed. Even god made exceptions.
God is the author of life, and we can't scrutinize His ways. and the fifth commandment is more accurately translated as 'don't murder' because, as you say, there are exceptions.
which game? *thinks chrono trigger is the best video game ever created*
Zelda: Majoras Mask. I liked that game a lot. But Ocarina of Time is my absolute favorite. However oni-Link AKA Fierce Deity Link was my favorite character from the series. The Metroid Prime series is another fave of mine. And the concept art they used to make that game is amazing. I <3 Andrew Jones artwork.
"If anyone wishes to be first, he shall be the last of all and the servant of all." Taking a child, he placed it in their midst, and putting his arms around it, he said to them, "Whoever receives one child such as this in my name, recieves me; and whoever receives me, receives not me but the One who sent me." ~Mark 9:35-37~
Certain passages show approval to raping of virgins too but I'm not going to follow that now am I? Judges 21:10-24 NLT Numbers 31:7-18 NLT Deuteronomy 20:10-14 Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB 2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB Judges 5:30 NAB Exodus 21:7-11 NLT Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB
i've said it before (not in this thread), and i'll say it again: christians believe in the *new* covenant. anything in the old testament that runs contrary to what Christ preached is discarded because it is not part of the new covenant.
You know I find it very silly that a master piece of god (the bible) has to have the first section completely ignored due to a newer *updated* part of the bible. God's word is perfect and his will never changes. So if that is true then the old rules still apply. Contradiction.....
Also, as it was from one book of the OT to the next, the new covenant does not invalidate the old one, it simply restates it or adds to it. Is the OT true? Yes. Is the NT true? Yes. Truth cannot contradict truth. The "apocrypha" were thrown out because they were not originally written down in Hebrew, so the Jews discarded them, then when Martin Luther went to them for a list of the OT books, they didn't have them. So he decided not to have them. Catholic win.
Old Testament/Animal sacrifice; Counterbalance is New Testament/Jesus becomes the lamb whose life was offered up for our sins.
God no longer made exceptions for murder. A truly repentant heart has the free will to reject sin until death and receive forgiveness. The unforgiveable sin is to use ones free will to repeatedly choose mortal sin with full knowlege.
A woman and man's body should be viewed as a temple. Mary's womb became the New Testament, "Arc of the Coventant". Women tragicly don't understand that they are blessed by grace to participate with God in His creation. Men do not understand their sacred role in creation also. It is truly amazing grace! By the way, Grace means Power; Amen means, I am with you Lord. Such beauty in the love God has for all.
we could only pray that women would know that their bodies are parallel to mary's but most women don't think themselves anywhere near to the standard of the greatest saint of them all, if they believe she ever existed.
grace means power alright, but it refers only to that power given to us for an express purpose. amen actually means 'so be it' and validates what you said immediately before.
there are still exceptions for murder, depending on how you define the term. knowingly killing someone to save your life is murder to some, so aborting and ectopic pregnancy is acceptable murder.
choosing mortal sin is intolerable, yes, but only God can see if that has been done, because it is that divine relationship that is severed if such has occurred.
your words are meaningless to those who are ignorant of scripture. thus, you have no hope of communicating with them. those who do know scripture are very likely to agree with you. while what you're saying is true, your words are wasted because you used them ineffectively.
all sin is forgivable. surely you're not saying that God's forgiveness has limits? and full knowledge is a requisite to mortal sin, so that is redundant.
Conceptial art, poetry, and graphic design. And I have no guilt, I live a very happy and content life. The only one mentioning guilt here is you. So ummm.... Yeah. No guilt on this side of the fence.
arguments including rape are notoriously difficult, because the woman does not deserve to be forced into letting her body incubate a child she did not have a say in creating. at the same time, however, there is a child who does not deserve to be killed, a total innocent who should be allowed to live. the argument, then, comes down to what you value more, the woman's rights or the child's life. i value the child's life more; at least the woman won't die for the decision, and if that danger...
threatens the woman's life, she is in the same situation as any other mother whose life is threatened by the life growing within her. she is excused from blame for killing her child. anything short of that is wanton murder, no matter how much the woman is suffering. getting an abortion will not heal the pain of rape, and will actually likely make it worse.
Adoption is possible yes. And seeing as you value the life of the woman as well I gladly accept that as well. Although I do believe most if not all sex offenders should be castrated as a form of punishment, I see it as a form of retribution and future prevention. But that's a whole other topic.
i... don't like sex offenders either, but please remember that, like autism, there are degrees of being a sex offender, and not all of them are completely reprehensible, and some of them are even innocent. also remember that hatred is never the answer to anything. while is would be... satisfying to hurt them as they have hurt others, it isn't right. an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
now on to contraceptives. some definition is in order. a pregnancy actually starts *two weeks* after conception, when the child implants in the uterine wall and begins to interact with the mother metabolically. before then, although unmistakably alive, the child is not *connected* to the mother, the definition of pregnancy. while contraceptives do not end a pregnancy and thus can't be considered abortion, they are still equal to it in that they intentionally kill a living human being.
Condoms prevent the union of sperm and egg, unlike some other methods of actually removing the egg from the equation all together. I find this method to be the best since it does not interfere with the womans natural cycle and kill the "possible" child. A much better method I think then just killing the egg all together.
wearing a condom during sex, just like any form of contraception, is tantamount to saying that you want to pursue a physical relationship with this person, but you don't want to face the possible consequences. you can't have your cake and eat it too. either way, you are having sex without being receptive to life, which is God's domain, not ours.
the best method (imo) is to have sex only when pregnancy is unlikely. besides, i *hate* condoms. XP
But at the same time waiting till the female is physically unreceptive on purpose for the sole reason to avoid pregnancies is just as bad. In many ways condoms help avoid pregnancies till the couple is actually ready to have a child. It actually seems very responsible to take precautions such as this.
I wouldn't know, my fianc'e left me a year ago. Pity, I really wanted to have my own family by now.
i also don't agree with having sex outside of marriage. part of marriage is being receptive to becoming parents, not just as an obligation but joyously, and at all times. if you can't accept the consequences of that, then you're not in a true marriage, for one, and also you should just not have sex. we are not mere animals in heat, we have the mental capacity to say, 'wait a sec. i don't want to accept these consequences, so i shouldn't be doing this!'
No, waiting for the female's body is not just as bad. If neither of you are using contraceptives, it is still possible for her to be impregnated, and you are both still open to the possibility of life. However, by using a condom or birth control pills, you are saying that you are taking extra measures to ensure you do not get a baby.
yes, sex is an intimate part of marriage, and should not be practiced solely for reproduction. the act of sex, when participated in correctly, is a unifying act between two very different people. using sex only for reproduction reduces us humans to mere animals.
sex should be an intimate act between a married couple, but it should always be *open* and *receptive* to pregnancy. it is not actually all that difficult. family sized can be managed with modern technology and biological...
understandings. as long as the couple does not act to *kill* a child, they can time intercourse to times when pregnancy is highly unlikely, and thus control family size without undermining human dignity.
Agreed, with proper care and insight into the subject matter a couple can achieve a happy healthy sex life without worrying about the "accidental" fertilization of an egg. And I concur that sex is a wonderful union between a couple and should be celebrated to help show their affection. I believe we've come to a very good and common agreement on the subject matter without causing strife or discord. Unlike some other people......
actually, wlc and i are more in agreement than you and i are. the only thing we disagree on is how he's communicating. we both believe that abortion is always murder and that contraception is always immoral. you say that abortion is okay before three weeks, and that contraception is okay.
we are arguing just fine, but that doesn't mean we agree.
That's okay, because my viewpoint has been shared and so has yours. I'm content with the topic since we have both expressed our views, meditated on them and came to our own agreements in our minds.
*nod* i'd rather find common ground than band my head against a brick wall. i also appreciate that you are the only one who can change your mind. i don't have that power, and i certainly don't want it! *shudder*
this song is so much better than the silly things in the video
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AllisonAstonjlmqie 8 months ago
Great video but when the Rocky music kicked in, all I could think of was "Adrien!, Adrien!!!!!"
worldofAJ 1 year ago
"passing the hat" :)
whatchu think about that
Kandermar1zijn 2 years ago
im a baptist. i think its great catholics are making these videos
TheMcMillan1 2 years ago
the music is great
Fisher20089 2 years ago
- When a person dies his soul leaves the body with the last breath.
- When a child is born the soul enters the body with the first breath.
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" Genesis 2:7
The Bible doesn't talk about "cells".
Replacing God's word with your own interpretation is a crime against God.
"the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not" Jer 14:14
sonofdazhbog 2 years ago
The Freedom of Choice Act does not force abortions on doctors or patients, just saying.
caetyx80 2 years ago
Amazing !!!a great video!!
truechurch7 2 years ago
every time I hear this song I get the chills:/
CorvetteScorpio 2 years ago
Abortion is not only killing people it also reduce the number of the American population and this will have some effects like having a weaker country, a weaker army that could be defeated by countries like China.
geormar 2 years ago
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what's the difference between abortion and males masturbating? isn't it the same? masturbation kills billions of potential people. so why not try to get your government to ban masturbation? LOL. all you people are hypocrites. why bring a life into this shitty world if its not gonna have a good home. and what if she was raped? quick to judge...what was it that Jesus said about judging?
dennooshie 2 years ago
Thats not potential people, thats semen. (only 23 chromosomes) It needs the egg in order to be the necessary 46 chromosomes to begin the process of life.
RockyBalboa211 2 years ago 3
dennosh- both (for men and women) are separations from pure grace. although masturbating is not killing a human, it is a turning away from open grace and ultimately selfish. some things have more than a "rational" explanation. if you want to know the truth, pray and ask for understanding.
emptylittle 2 years ago
Great video ... I hate hearing catholics saying there pro choice they should be kicked out of the church!!
truechurch7 2 years ago
From the very first moment of existence, a baby has the same rights of every single human being that ever was, is, and will be.
Abortion is murder. CHOOSE LIFE.
BleedHuskaRed1220 2 years ago
From 70´s decade 1000000000 have been killed through all around the world... Too much, too much. Even ONE is too much
armisenugalde 2 years ago
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2222knex2222 2 years ago
I am not Catholic, but this video sent shivers up my spine and gave me goosebumps. Well Done
PRAY FOR LIFE!!!
roosters86 2 years ago
i agree. this is a clear and beautiful call to grace and love.
77katydid 2 years ago
if life is sacred, if the union which provides for conception is sacred, if marriage is to allow love to conceive children in a safe and well balanced environment,
then
satan has really gotten over on our media and culture.
now is the time to pray i guess, since this allowing of millions to be aborted is in fact the tribulation.
emptylittle 2 years ago
What about women who have been raped, or who could suffer serious physical/psychological damage by bearing a child?
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
there are worse things than dying. we all die. would you rather lead a life of principle? many wonderful children and grownups have "resulted" from rapes. read their stories. don't kill something for convenience or pain reduction.
77katydid 2 years ago 2
Aw, cute snakey.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
Good video MAY GOD BE WITH YOU!
network51 2 years ago
I disagree with this video but
i love the music
aljilwa 2 years ago
Powerful and Inspirational...Thank you!
delaroan 2 years ago
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shiznition 3 years ago
One of the most important issues of our times. Wonderful video!
HeavenAwaitsU 3 years ago
At St. Patrick Catholic Parish, in Gainesville Florida, Father Julien and Father Bui both spoke from the pulpit in support of the RESPECT LIFE movement to send post cards to our senators and respresentatives urging them to fight FOCA.
The Fathers also spoke, in harmony with the liturgical year, to the conversion of Paul.
God is capable to doing anything. God empowers us to make the correct CHOICE to follow Him and CHOOSE LIFE!
Glory2God1997 3 years ago
Maybe we should pray for Obama? There is still time for him to change his mind! He can change his mind on FOCA and we ahould pray that he does. We should also pray that Planned Parenthood will stop keeping secret staduatory rape cases secret so abortion can be performed.
Guardianoftheunborn 3 years ago
Abortion is necessary to protect the rights of women who have been raped. The womb is the property of the mother, not the unborn child.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
my guess is that many folks who are "pro abortion" would be appalled and cry (rightly so) to think of ripping out baby elephants or whales or horses from the womb, even at 1 or 2 months before natural birth, for any except the most absolutely pressing medical reasons.
77katydid 2 years ago 2
Marow, abortion is never necessary. And there are many cases where rape babies actually do live happy and good lives and the mother was happy she chose to give birth to them.
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago
Teen mothers can be even more traumatized because they will most likely be ridiculed and/or avoided at school, leading her to depression. Also, she shouldn't have to drop out of school just so she can carry a baby for nine months.
I'm not saying that all rape babies should be aborted no matter what, I'm saying that whether the baby should be aborted is the mother's decision and is best left up to her instead of the hands of pro-life activists.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
Marow, rape is a horrible crime and never should happen to anyone.
No one should be ridiculed for being pregnate. However the girl doesn't really have to drop out of school to carry a pregnancy, and after birth there is help for her.
Pro-life activists actually do their part to help people with cases like these. The Catholic Church or other churches in her area could provide help or a place to get help. And her true friends would be there to help her with this.
Guardianoftheunborn 2 years ago
Pro-life activists and the Catholic Church just make the mother feel guilty, in my opinion. I think that unless the mother is so mentally handicapped that she can't make decisions, it's her choice whether to keep the baby or not.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
Why? Why should one human have the right to choose if another lives or dies? Thats barbaric, brutal and heartless.
The blood of 42,000,000 innocent lives stains the stars and stripes - how long until somebody says NO MORE
roosters86 2 years ago
You make this sound honorable, trying to take away the rights of woman like that.
"Why should one human have the right to choose if another lives of dies? That's barbaric, brutal, and heartless."
You are deciding that the baby must live.
I don't want all babies to be aborted, and I think it can be ugly, yes. But I think the woman who is pregnant should still have the right to choose - she is, after all, going through all the pain of bearing it.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
'choose' - the women cjoose to take her pants off, thats her choice, coldhearted murder is NOT a choice
You make your bed, and lie in it
A child is not an 'it' - a child is a person, and this stretchs to an un-born child as well as a born one.
While were on that Mr Pro-Choice, left wing feminist, what are your views on Infanticide?
roosters86 2 years ago 2
A woman doesn't always choose to get pregnant - she could have been raped! "Murder", both in the abortion-sense and criminal sense, can be a choice too, one which I will let the mother make.
First of all, I am a woman. Not a "Mr." I think that being left-wing and/or feminist is fine, so that isn't much of an insult there. I think infanticide is a crime, but infanticide is the killing of a BORN baby outside the womb and has no benefits. Abortion, on the other hand, can have benefits.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
Infanticide has no benefits? I'm sure that some people would disagree.
Abortion can have benefits; so that makes it ok? Killing a child is ok, as long as the mother benefits? Is that it??
TraderTif 2 years ago
You say "the womb belongs to the mother," Marowak, implying that she is a Mother and therefore carrying a son or daughter. But,
the womb does not belong to the mother, if it belonged to a human it would be the baby for which it is intended. the womb, the heart, the head, all belong to God. use with love and wisely, as a mysterious gift, don't let yourself be driven by the media, or selfishness or convenience.
emptylittle 2 years ago
People like you make God sound like a narcisstic, selfish sadist.
Saying that the womb doesn't belong to the mother even though it is a part of HER body makes the mother a slave, which is immoral by any standard.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
Even your LIFE doesn't "belong " to you. can you decide when you will come into existance or die? Does the wind "belong" to the earth or the sky ? does the tree "belong" to the forest? all i'm saying is that the Loving Universe is what it is. i'm not trying to get you so angry, sorry, but point out the possibility that we are connected in a different way than you might think. the Math of the Universe may not give a "right" to someone to destroy an innocent human life without grave consequenses.
emptylittle 2 years ago 2
I understand your point of view, but what you're also implying is that religious doctrine should be a part of U.S. law. It would be illegal to put such a law into effect, because Congress is not allowed to pass a law that is based on or supports certain religious doctrines.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
almost all laws are based on religious morality. do not steal, kill, lie, etc.
this is true in both religous and non countries. the basis of a successful society is that the people are moral. contracts are "honored"
if we are just flotsam and jetsom ameobas floating around, and there is no right and wrong, all is propagation of the genes, then Hitler is the best of all. yay.
but through history, each culture all eras have born witness to the same Universal Truth. science -just science, ok.
emptylittle 2 years ago
Wrong.
Firstly, not all bad choices will put you in hell.
Secondly, you will only actually go to hell after you die if you have not repented (gone to Confession/Reconciliation)and/or no one intercedes for you/prays for you while you stand before God, waiting for your judgment.
omgzorzlikewow 3 years ago
Free will is a gift.God does not say: Love me or else!You cannot compare the creator of everything,who is pure love& goodness,to your "men telling his girlfriend.." Your projecting.God is not human,His ways are far above ours. Jesus is fully human & fully Divine, Not 1/2 & 1/2. Can your human mind comprehend that? Many can't yet it is the Truth. Our limited minds have a hard time grasping it the same way we do with other mysteries, such as gravity or the speed of light. Can you explain either?
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EatShitMarty 3 years ago
this is a great pictorial!!! come on America, when are we going to take a stand and protect the innocent?? Abortion is millions of times worse than slavery or animal abuse ever was/is.
EatShitMarty 3 years ago
Why is the evil one so jealous of God's people? The devils "Hell" is simply his chosen eternal separation from God The Father. The evil one's free will made this choice (a permanent one),he then tempted many other angels to follow him so he would not be alone. Now they prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls, who through Jesus were granted the ability to repent of their sins & again be in unity with the Father. It is a done deal for the evil one. Hell is separation from God
wlcsb01 3 years ago
The Old Testament prophesied the coming of a Messiah. Jesus fulfilled the prophesy bringing about the conversion of several thousand Jews, the first Christians. The disciples using Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament were able to show the direct line to Jesus. The Jews, had expected an earthly King & Kingdom on Earth (as did the disciples pre- resurrection). Jesus in his perfection, opened wide his arms to all, showing the way to THE FATHER...not good news if one was a Pharisee.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
Amen
wlcsb01 3 years ago
The word 'peace' is repeated more in the bible than any other word.
(I will will recheck this, but I believe it to be true.)
The evil one uses temptation to promote chaos & division to collect souls.
The evil one, FOREVER sealed his fate, which is permanent separation from Our Father. his jealousy toward man now, cannot be stemmed. he will endlessly seek the ruin of souls, misery loves company so to speak. JESUS, THE MESSIAH, in offering HIS life for our sins, trumps evil & is hope for us.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
You know maybe more people would listen if you didnt patronise .
me i have my own beliefs, and refuse to base my life on 1 of many books .But i do not force/preach my beleifs onto other people. Religions catholic ,muslim ,judaism ,have caused more war and death on this planet then any abortion or drug you people judge upon so much
JokeRico 3 years ago
JR:50 million murders through abortion (abortion is for profit) in America alone since 1973. I believe that number is conservative as well. Around the world, it is staggering. Europe has been killing itself off through abortion. Germany is now paying women to have children. Our immigration problem is fueled because we have been doing the same here and now need workers. Please study your facts, abortion harms women & men, It is a BRUTAL BUSINESS expoiting women and men for GREED, cash money!
wlcsb01 3 years ago
ok i didnt study fact and tbh i made my last comment in 1 of those heat of the moment type things but although you explained abortion ,much like a politition you strayed away from the point i was making ...that religion of all kinds is 1 way to make differences between ppl much like a racist would -its hard to beleive in this day and age dispite evolution ,despite scientific facts ppl are still arguing / fighting / murdering over wats been proved as fairytales
JokeRico 3 years ago
Prove that it is a fairytale.
sparkyann 3 years ago
Catholicism isn't a religion, it is a denomination. Christianity is the religion.
kaitlin312 3 years ago
true, the abrahamic religions have caused much war and strife, but at least we learned from it. *most* christians, particularly catholics imo, strive to the ways of peace today. we know that the wars were misguided.
abortion is happening *now*. we can do something about the policies of abortion, but we can't change the past.
chaelamay 3 years ago
You know what im done with you crazies. Im Catholic and Pro-choice, get over it, seriously. Your bible verses annoy the hell out of me so shut up. I have to read the bible DAILY, as in forced to. God gave us free will so just stop. Im not posting on this ever again but i will say one last thing. THIS VIDEO IS RETARDED AND A DISGRACE TO ALL CATHOLICS. 52% voted for obama BTW!
ceceisverycool 3 years ago
Dear Very Cold,
A cold heart is a terrible burden to live with. I pray you will find peace by choosing hope for others as well as yourself.
God does not deny his people their free will. They and you are welcome to it, as well as the consequences.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
haha wow. thanks for that one bud, i go to catholic school! and it sucks!
ceceisverycool 3 years ago
I suggest you take on a new attitude of going to Catholic School and making it wonderful. A cold heart that turns pink with good energy, will keep not only you but those around you, warm and safe.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
well thank you, i do appreciate that. I pray that Catholic schools get a lot better because they are TERRIBLE here in DC. When you have been in Catholic school for 14 years, you are well aware of the corruption.
ceceisverycool 3 years ago
We are all called to participate in the works of Jesus. He simply asks that we strive to be 'holy' and pleasing to God. I believe Jesus, when he said to Peter "You are the rock and upon you I will build my church." Jesus knew men would perservere, yet struggle, for we are not perfection as he is. Learn discernment through study so Jesus can work through you to improve all schools, D.C. and elsewhere; Catholic and secular. Jesus sees the man or woman who comes to help carry his cross.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
Sorry to disappoint you cece, but the disgraces are the catholics who did vote for Obama.
You do not have to answer to any person here on earth for being pro-choice & catholic, but you will have to answer to Our Lord when you meet him.
If life does not start at conception, then why do we as catholics:
place an emphasis on the Immaculate Conception, and why does the Gospel of Luke begin with the conception of Jesus and not His birth???
You cannot be Pro-Choice and Catholic- get over it.
GraceBeMine 3 years ago
But you can be conservative and stupid! Get over it!
ceceisverycool 3 years ago
Stupid is as stupid does.
Being catholic does not make one a conservative.
Being pro-abortion does indicate ignorance. Obviously you take the easy way out in all things, other wise you would not have made some immature slur, rather you would have answered the 2 questions posed to you. But you wont because then you would have to give it some real thought, and that would make you uncomfortable. And heaven forbid (or the RCC in your case) you should be made to feel uncomfortable by the truth.
GraceBeMine 3 years ago
wow, like i seriously care about making an immature "slur". This is freaking YOUTUBE. and get your facts straight its called pro-choice not pro-abortion. I have friends who are pro-life and they don't sit here and get all up in the business of other people and their beliefs.
ceceisverycool 3 years ago
"I have friends who are pro-life and they...."
And there were Germans who did not believe in concentration camps but did not get all up in Nazi's business because of a difference of beliefs either.
The old phrase "I would not have an abortion but think other people should have a choice." Well, that is the same as Germans who would not personally kill a Jew but had no problem with the Nazi's doing it. Whether a Jew then or a pre-born child now, murder is murder.
GraceBeMine 3 years ago 3
pro-choice is the term that people who are *for* the practice of abortion use to describe themselves, accentuating the rights of the woman to choose what happens to her own body. pro-abortion is a term that some pro-life advocates use to label people who call themselves pro-choice, accentuating the fact that they advocate a way of death to "protect" a woman's rights.
its just a different title, and it means much the same thing. don't get mad.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Stupid is as stupid does sweetie, get over it;-P Now can you get serious and answer these questions?
If life does not start at conception, then why do we as catholics:
place an emphasis on the Immaculate Conception, and why does the Gospel of Luke begin with the conception of Jesus and not His birth?
GraceBeMine 3 years ago
We place an emphasis on the Immaculate Coneption because thats when MARY was conceived. (knowing you, you probably thought it was Jesus). AND it was because she is the mother of GOD and was pre-destined to be without sin and Catholocism is the ONLY religion that places emphasis on that. My grandmother is presbyterian and they dont even care about that. Also, don't rely on the bible as your only source of faith. Its a book. (Don't get me wrong, im not saying its untrue or unimortant)
ceceisverycool 3 years ago
I know very well that Mary is the Immaculate Conception. My point is this: If life did not begin at conception the RCC (the one true church founded by Jesus Christ)would not refer to either Mary's or Jesus' for that matter. It would only refer to their births. Life begins at conception. If you disagree with that then please tell me when life does begin.
ALSO-In your opinion, is there a cut off point for abortions? A time during pregnancy when it is acceptable and a time it is not?
GraceBeMine 3 years ago
catholics *definitely* don't rely only on the bible as the only source of information. for example, it never says specifically in the bible that joseph was a widower, or that he was chosen to be mary's husband because his walking staff flowered. however, most pictures of joseph show him with either a right angle (because of his profession) or with flowers, because of that extra-biblical knowledge. we also get mary's genealogy and the names of the criminals crucified by Jesus this way.
chaelamay 3 years ago
catholics don't even rely solely on the bible for holy revelation. nothing in scripture is taken as fact without the agreement of tradition, and nothing in tradition is taken as fact without the agreement of scripture. it's kind of a fail safe. you do know that, right?
chaelamay 3 years ago
thanks for the update
ceceisverycool 3 years ago
oh and disregard my comment about you not knowing what the Immacualte Conception was. I was in the heat of the moment and i apologize for it.
ceceisverycool 3 years ago
God gave us free will because He LOVES us, and wanted us to love him in return. Think, if we didn't have the choice whether or not to follow God, is it really love?
omgzorzlikewow 3 years ago
It makes me cry to think that there are 67 million Catholics in this country and we voted in a president like Obama. I pray for his conversion every day. That he would not institute the Freedom of Choice Act. Only a monster would do such a thing. I am crying for the lives lost, infants who deserve to be born, to have the chance to live, parents who care enough and know enough to go through with their pregnancies, a culture who would love and take care of their children. America! Wake up!
ebaytimr 3 years ago 3
You'd be hardpressed to find an Obama backer in the Tridentine Mass Community. What you bemoan is the fruit of the Novus Ordo. That is a fact. There is no authentic Catholic spirituality or piety of any sort in Protepagan NovusOrdoland of gum-chewing, shorts and flipflops and Communion-in-the-paw. That is a FACT. You can bet your backside that the evil Erie Benedictine witches and the Sodomite loving bishop of Rochester, NY voted for that Marxist too. Bad fruit from the bad tree of Vatican II.
RubyWraith 3 years ago
if you dislike the current roman rite so much and don't want to abandon catholicism, perhaps you should petition to join a different rite.
just a suggestion.
chaelamay 3 years ago
I assume you are in stem cell research or work in the abortion industry. Life is sacred from conception until natural death.
You rant of grieving the loneliness of your father in an orphanage yet you obsess over devaluing the lives of innocent others. Guilt is a private hell isn't it...so you wish to have others share it with you. Misery loves company? Merry Xmas Marley
wlcsb01 3 years ago
Ahahahahaha!!!! lol... I'm a simple 20 year old man who works at a grocery store paying my way through college! lol, if my father was never born I wouldn't care because I wouldn't be here now would I? Misery? LMAO... I'm fine. I just don't think other children should suffer from starvation because their parents had to many kids because they didn't use a condom. Your pretty nasty for a God fearing person, take a lesson from chaelamay here. He can have an educated conversation without getting mad.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
Fiercedeity02...You mistake anger for 'TRUTH'. Take the time to read YOUR words. "I'm fine. I just don't think other children should suffer". So you are fighting for the right to kill 'others'? The term for them is "Candy Apples" because they are burned alive. Partial Birth? Your postion is that a fully developed baby, does not feel the scissors penetrate the back of their skull? If this does not kill them, their brains are sucked out with a vacuum...every heard of Charles Dickens?
wlcsb01 3 years ago
and, actually, fiercedeity defended the very position you are (partial birth, candy apple, and other late term abortions). he is against abortion after pregnancies are three weeks old.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Three weeks? What logic is this? Should a rose, at it's bud stage be discarded because one does not perceive a rose yet? A child is a child in it's early development just as a bud is a rose; Maybe we should debate money? What does compound interest do? It grows into more money. Is it not viable in the early stage because one does not yet see a pot of gold? Seeds it follows, are not worth anything either if one cannot envision them as a potato, carrot, peach.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
i agree with you. i think abortion is reprehensible and that contraception is just as bad. you're preaching to the choir here. i have already made my stand quite firmly.
(btw, i think money is too faulty an analogy to use.)
however you, like fierce, were using pain and horror to defend your position. you even quoted dickens. fierce never agreed with the kinds of abortions you explicitly described.
chaelamay 3 years ago
I concur
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
I love how you give me a partial quote and not the full meaning behind it. Good job buddy.
Helllooooooo...... I already stated against that due to the highly developed nervous system and consciousness that is present. Please refer to Human Anatomy 101 to continue this conversation.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
erm... um...
it doesn't actually offend me or anything, but i'm a female.
after careers in martial arts and automotive mechanics (as well as an add/adhd diagnosis), i am more easily identified with men than women to those who can't actually see or hear me, but i am a woman.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Sorry, your profile was very vauge so I had to guess from there. No offense.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago 2
like i said, no offense taken. :)
you actually looked at my profile? you're more probing than i am. either that, or i'm too lazy. :)
chaelamay 3 years ago
I wanted to see if you were a man or a woman so I could be as polite as possible. Age is important as well, usually older people such as wlcsb01 who is 47 usually have their thoughts hammered into place and are deadset in their beliefs. Change or a different view on thinking is considered taboo. So knowing your age helped me understand if you would listen and make this as formal a disscusion as possible. Plus I'm a social butterfly. ^_^
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
*is also a social butterfly*
i'm almost 30, and i don't think age is really all that good a determinate of whether someone is set in their ways or not. people change their minds all the time.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Radioguy
More temples and churches have opened than have closed due to "lack of attendence". Now we have fifty flavors of christianity juidism ect. Don't try to bullshit us with this "poor me" act. Religion is not the vitcim here.
beefygoblin 3 years ago
You have life, you can make it anything you want.True poverty is a soul that is too wounded to see the love in the world and to simply give it back.Allow joy of the simple things to allow you to see that your family found value in life...yourlife and that they or others cared enough to share food and shelter,so you can post your views to others.
You were and are loveable,share this fact today with those who need your smile and friendship.May God Bless You and Keep You.
wlcsb01 3 years ago 2
To all of those in favor of abortion (and even for those who are not) google Demographic Winter in the YouTube search engine.
You can ignore the spiritual/religious components all together, but there is one thing you can't ignore. Our declining populations due to birth control and abortion are going to have long term economic factors everyone will have to deal with.
Around the globe, with a growing older population but declining younger one, who will do the work & pay the taxes?
RadioGuyToo 3 years ago 4
Seriously?! That's great! The world is already overpopulated as it is with starving people. And family's with explosive births (like my father and his siblings) means lives of poverty and misery. So a few less people in the world... Not bad.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
Poverty is not created by unborn children. Poverty is made by men and women who close their eyes to it or create it by their own greed. Surely you do not want to reduce the surface population by offering yourself?
Love your neighbor as you love yourself. It is really quite simple. I will pray for you.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
Seeing as having more mouths in a family to feed then you can afford causes it too. My father didn't get a warm bed and food on his table as a child. His parents were against birth control and had 14 children. They became so poor that my father spent his childhood in a orphanage with no family at all. So instead of having 2 kids and make sure they grew up happy and healthy they had to have 14 and gave them all a shitty life. Bravo.... Bravo.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
the point, fiercedeity, is that murder is not an acceptable means to combat that horrid reality. imagine for a moment that these 14 children were already born, and your grandparents made the choice to feed 2 of them and murder the rest through means direct or indirect. is that right? no one says that what your father went through was right or good, but killing those who live for the benefit of others, no matter how altruistic the attitude, is just as reprehensible as any other form of murder.
chaelamay 3 years ago
A fertilized zygote feels nothing, it is but a giant cell with no consciousness of existence whatsoever.The neural pathways of 3 week old fetus have not developed fully yet, st the time it is a low impulse of electrical charges giving small movements to the limbs to help strengthen itself for the months ahead and until birth. Beyond 3 weeks is unacceptable in my eyes, by that time the neural pathways are nearly done and a self consciousness begins to form. Killing a self aware being is murder.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
careful. by relying on that logic, killing the profoundly mentally retarded who are also paraplegics is perfectly justifiable and morally sound.
a person doesn't have to feel pain to be a person. a human is defined as human through two facts: a distinctly human genome, and the presence of life.
(btw, it is redundant to refer to a zygote as fertilized; it is "fertilized" by definition. the egg is only an egg. immediately upon fertilization, she/he is called a zygote.)
chaelamay 3 years ago
So even though they are not aware of their existence, nor do they have a brain that functions more than just an electrical output device to stimulate early muscle development... They are still a full human to you? They have no idea of their existence nor is it possible for them.
You have to remember that humans naturally abort an egg every month. That seems a little flawed since in a sense they will be a future human... Right? So god made us naturally abort a future human too? Hmmm....
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
The natural monthly expulsion of an unfertilized egg is not an abortion. Self awareness is not the only indicator of personhood. One may fall into a coma for a while, but the persons does not cease to be human during the coma.
Toadstan 3 years ago 2
you beat me to it toad!
some more points: an egg is not a human any more than any other of the mother's cells. the mother is human, but that doesn't mean that all of the cells that make her up are individual human beings, and this includes all of her eggs.
fiercedeity, in your first paragraph, are you referring to the hypothetical person who is both profoundly mentally retarded and paraplegic, or are you referring to a zygote? (the coma comment was good too, toad.) cont...
chaelamay 3 years ago
in either case, you are dealing with a distinct living human. that single cell has a genome different from either mother or father, and so can't be considered a cell of either. that genome is human. also, the cell, no matter how small, is alive. he/she carries out metabolic processes. the child also grows and responds to the environment, and belongs to a viable species. if killing a human is reprehensible, then abortion is too, because it is tantamount to the same thing.
chaelamay 3 years ago
A fertilized egg that has just become a cell does not feel any pain. And think about this for a second, would a soul if killed within a newly made fertilized egg even be fully formed? For if we die and go to heaven we have all the conscience of our past life. This soul would be a shell. Can such a thing exist... Highly doubtful. So an early abortion would still be the removal a cell. And what if a woman was raped and can't have child because she is too young and it could possibly kill her?
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago 2
again, pain does not make a human alive. the cell is genetically distinct and metabolically alive.
chaelamay 3 years ago
And what about Fetus in fetu? A rare incident when two cells begin to form and one wraps around the other cell causing it to be literally trapped within the twin. Many years after the child is born they find this parasitic twin within them. It lacks a brain, organs, and in some cases bones. What about them? Do these highly deformed fetuses lacking a brain have a soul? Should they be removed from the twin even though they'll die? Can you honeslty say that this fetus has a soul?
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago 2
finally, you have made a comment that actually challenges me! i knew you could do it! (i was rooting for you; i love arguing.)
that said, my previous comments still stand. the child in fetu is genetically distinct and metabolically alive. a distinction needs to be made; the child is genetically identical to her/his twin, but *developmentally* distinct. yes, this is a distinct being, but as in ectopic pregnancies, the killing is justifiable.
chaelamay 3 years ago
So even though this cell took a different path and became highly deformed, lacks a brain and organs it can be killed. Yet it began life as a fertilized egg and since this took place it is now considered a distinct human. Plus the essence of god is infused into a being at conception this clearly states that this is now a human just like a normal baby and should live.
My point: At a cellular level we have no mental characteristics of ourselves. Only after mental development can this be said.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago 2
yes, even though this cell grew to become highly deformed and lacks a brain and organs, it can be killed. in this instance, it is even preferable, but just as in an ectopic pregnancy, you can't lose sight of what you're doing. you have to kill and innocent human being for the sake of the host.
i agree that there is no mental characteristic. there isn't even a brain in your specific example! but, again, that is not to say that the child is not alive and distinct.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Ok then, so some abortions are ok and some are not depending upon the situation. Good enough answer and agreeable in my view. What about a rape victim?
Divulging slightly from the topic here but are contraceptives ok then for preventing unintended pregnancies? Sex is an intimate part between couples and it will always happen. So if the union of sperm and egg is hindered is that considered ok then? Or should sex be reserved for reproduction alone?
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago 2
Fiercedeity02...A simple 20 year old man working at a grocery store??? A college man, why you are sooo unfortunant and ungrateful it appears. I will state again, your unjustifiable postion is guilt ridden. What is your chosen field?
Try bring some groceries to those who are in the postion your grandparents were....their children if not "killed" just might grow up and...go to college! Ahahahahaha!!!!
wlcsb01 3 years ago
i don't think insults will help, but thank you for joining.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Truth is not an insult.
Debate is good, this is America.
However,evil is willing to debate for eternity. I choose to be the face of hope for those lined up like cattle at America's death mills, to the elderly killed, way to much, with deliberate use of meds like morphine, steroids etc. Poor/wealthy, young/old. Research centers with their will pay $ for body parts portfolio's.
These truths are what is nasty. If addressing these evils makes someone uncomfortable, so be it.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
you were insulting fiercedeity. i do not defend his opinions. i just don't think that insulting him is going to do a bit of good, for either of you, or for anyone else.
no, truth is not an insult. the things you say are not only truth, but directed at fiercedeity in obvious malice. respect for life includes his. that's what makes the christian way so difficult.
please, tell me that you don't think fierce is evil. he is human, and humans come from God.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Evil cannot do anything in itself but can present the choices to men and women who then use their free will to choose evil.
If your brother sins and you do not love him or her enough to correct them, then you are just as guilty as they.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
what do you think i've been doing? agreeing? i just think you should be more respectful. that's why i'm correcting you.
chaelamay 3 years ago
btw, what you were saying didn't sound like love.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Obvious malice? Do you think The Christ would find my words malice? Arguing death for others, is not of God. Read for yourself the "deity's" self pity, read the gifts he has received without a thankful heart. He presents a cold heart, having great fun at the suffering of others. Mocking, which he does quite regularly, is not of God. The subject matter is too serious. Nursing homes, hospitals, death mills, you will find me there bringing hope & help to those children of God in harms way.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
yes, i think that Christ would find your words to be full of malice. defend life, certainly, but acknowledge also the dignity of *every* human. fierce is capable of good, as are all humans.
he doesn't seem to give thanks, but you can't assume that he has a "cold heart" because judgment of hearts belongs to God alone.
btw, please stop pointing to yourself as an ideal. the basis of your words (defending life) is sound, but you act without any kind of humility, which God loves.
chaelamay 3 years ago
No judgement you expouse?
You assume malice on my part...that is your judement...You cannot assume that I am putting myself as an ideal, that is your judgement...You assume I do not have humilty, that again is your judging. Read your own words sister. I am a mere servant who follows my Lord Jesus, The Chist. He was perfection and I strive only to be pleasing to him. If you are bothered by this, so be it.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
it is malice, because you are attacking him.
you put yourself forth as an ideal because you make comments at the ends of more than a few posts making unrelated comments about what *you* do that you assume that i and fierce don't. (you're wrong on that count, btw, at least in my case.)
you don't act with humility. that is not a judgment, but a quantifiable fact.
i have been stating facts, and using them to defend my opinions. i have offered respect to you both, not judgment.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Not to mention you've been quite civil and very supportive of your beliefs. I admire that.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
thank you! XD
chaelamay 3 years ago
john 8:7
chaelamay 3 years ago
The Bible is the greatest gift of love the world has ever known.
Evil knows this better than man. It can quote scrpture better than man or woman.
"Truth, what is truth?" Pontious Pilate.
evil is malice...evil exists
Truth is: Faith, Hope and Love...the greatest of these being Love.
Will you fight the Freedom of Choice Act?
Will fierce "deity" do the same?
Fight FOCA this January...as you state you are a Christian.
wlcsb01 3 years ago 2
i do fight the foca. i didn't actually state that i was christian, but you are correct in *assuming* that i am. i wasn't defending evil, i was defending the right for fiercediety to argue his point, no matter whether you thought those arguments were crude or graceful, right or wrong.
i believe firmly in caritas, especially as quoted in corinthians. that is *why* i respect fiercediety. we can stand unequivocally against evil while respecting other people.
chaelamay 3 years ago
"We can stand unequivocally against evil while respecting other people?"
You are speaking out of both sides of you mouth. Murder is BLack on White, no Grey.
Period. "Thou Shall Not Kill."
Just who are you and the "deity" actually debating? I suggest you think long and hard about this. Sister, I will pray for your discernment.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
how am i speaking hypocritically? murder is heinous, but the person is not. love the sinner and hate the sin.
as for the fifth commandment, again, you are preaching to the choir. i have never disagreed with you on that, only on your treatment of a fellow human just because his opinion is different from yours.
our debate is about abortion and what it means, of course. i have thought long and hard about it, and continue to do so.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Oh you did not just mention my username. That is from a game that I loved it has nothing to do with my religious standpoint at all.
btw, you might want to ponder the whole "Thou shalt not kill part" since God in many texts had people killed or allowed people to be killed for various reasons. None the less... They were killed. Even god made exceptions.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
God is the author of life, and we can't scrutinize His ways. and the fifth commandment is more accurately translated as 'don't murder' because, as you say, there are exceptions.
which game? *thinks chrono trigger is the best video game ever created*
chaelamay 3 years ago
Zelda: Majoras Mask. I liked that game a lot. But Ocarina of Time is my absolute favorite. However oni-Link AKA Fierce Deity Link was my favorite character from the series. The Metroid Prime series is another fave of mine. And the concept art they used to make that game is amazing. I <3 Andrew Jones artwork.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
never played any of those, unfortunately. sounds fun though!
chaelamay 3 years ago
"If anyone wishes to be first, he shall be the last of all and the servant of all." Taking a child, he placed it in their midst, and putting his arms around it, he said to them, "Whoever receives one child such as this in my name, recieves me; and whoever receives me, receives not me but the One who sent me." ~Mark 9:35-37~
wlcsb01 3 years ago
what are you applying these scriptures to?
chaelamay 3 years ago
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
whatever, catholics are very close to my heart, and if you can't accept that than shut up and don't comment on this page again!
JoshPictures 3 years ago
Eh, are you refering to me or RubyWraith?
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
you, but i'm just kidding.
JoshPictures 3 years ago
i've said it before (not in this thread), and i'll say it again: christians believe in the *new* covenant. anything in the old testament that runs contrary to what Christ preached is discarded because it is not part of the new covenant.
chaelamay 3 years ago
You know I find it very silly that a master piece of god (the bible) has to have the first section completely ignored due to a newer *updated* part of the bible. God's word is perfect and his will never changes. So if that is true then the old rules still apply. Contradiction.....
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
Also, as it was from one book of the OT to the next, the new covenant does not invalidate the old one, it simply restates it or adds to it. Is the OT true? Yes. Is the NT true? Yes. Truth cannot contradict truth. The "apocrypha" were thrown out because they were not originally written down in Hebrew, so the Jews discarded them, then when Martin Luther went to them for a list of the OT books, they didn't have them. So he decided not to have them. Catholic win.
omgzorzlikewow 3 years ago
Old Testament/Old Covenant;
New Testament/New Covenant;
Balance/Counterbalance;
Adam/Eve Counterbalance is Jesus/Mary;
Old Testament/Animal sacrifice; Counterbalance is New Testament/Jesus becomes the lamb whose life was offered up for our sins.
God no longer made exceptions for murder. A truly repentant heart has the free will to reject sin until death and receive forgiveness. The unforgiveable sin is to use ones free will to repeatedly choose mortal sin with full knowlege.
wlcsb01 3 years ago
A woman and man's body should be viewed as a temple. Mary's womb became the New Testament, "Arc of the Coventant". Women tragicly don't understand that they are blessed by grace to participate with God in His creation. Men do not understand their sacred role in creation also. It is truly amazing grace! By the way, Grace means Power; Amen means, I am with you Lord. Such beauty in the love God has for all.
wlcsb01 3 years ago 2
we could only pray that women would know that their bodies are parallel to mary's but most women don't think themselves anywhere near to the standard of the greatest saint of them all, if they believe she ever existed.
grace means power alright, but it refers only to that power given to us for an express purpose. amen actually means 'so be it' and validates what you said immediately before.
chaelamay 3 years ago
there are still exceptions for murder, depending on how you define the term. knowingly killing someone to save your life is murder to some, so aborting and ectopic pregnancy is acceptable murder.
choosing mortal sin is intolerable, yes, but only God can see if that has been done, because it is that divine relationship that is severed if such has occurred.
chaelamay 3 years ago
your words are meaningless to those who are ignorant of scripture. thus, you have no hope of communicating with them. those who do know scripture are very likely to agree with you. while what you're saying is true, your words are wasted because you used them ineffectively.
all sin is forgivable. surely you're not saying that God's forgiveness has limits? and full knowledge is a requisite to mortal sin, so that is redundant.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Conceptial art, poetry, and graphic design. And I have no guilt, I live a very happy and content life. The only one mentioning guilt here is you. So ummm.... Yeah. No guilt on this side of the fence.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
arguments including rape are notoriously difficult, because the woman does not deserve to be forced into letting her body incubate a child she did not have a say in creating. at the same time, however, there is a child who does not deserve to be killed, a total innocent who should be allowed to live. the argument, then, comes down to what you value more, the woman's rights or the child's life. i value the child's life more; at least the woman won't die for the decision, and if that danger...
chaelamay 3 years ago
threatens the woman's life, she is in the same situation as any other mother whose life is threatened by the life growing within her. she is excused from blame for killing her child. anything short of that is wanton murder, no matter how much the woman is suffering. getting an abortion will not heal the pain of rape, and will actually likely make it worse.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Adoption is possible yes. And seeing as you value the life of the woman as well I gladly accept that as well. Although I do believe most if not all sex offenders should be castrated as a form of punishment, I see it as a form of retribution and future prevention. But that's a whole other topic.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
i... don't like sex offenders either, but please remember that, like autism, there are degrees of being a sex offender, and not all of them are completely reprehensible, and some of them are even innocent. also remember that hatred is never the answer to anything. while is would be... satisfying to hurt them as they have hurt others, it isn't right. an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
chaelamay 3 years ago
now on to contraceptives. some definition is in order. a pregnancy actually starts *two weeks* after conception, when the child implants in the uterine wall and begins to interact with the mother metabolically. before then, although unmistakably alive, the child is not *connected* to the mother, the definition of pregnancy. while contraceptives do not end a pregnancy and thus can't be considered abortion, they are still equal to it in that they intentionally kill a living human being.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Condoms prevent the union of sperm and egg, unlike some other methods of actually removing the egg from the equation all together. I find this method to be the best since it does not interfere with the womans natural cycle and kill the "possible" child. A much better method I think then just killing the egg all together.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
wearing a condom during sex, just like any form of contraception, is tantamount to saying that you want to pursue a physical relationship with this person, but you don't want to face the possible consequences. you can't have your cake and eat it too. either way, you are having sex without being receptive to life, which is God's domain, not ours.
the best method (imo) is to have sex only when pregnancy is unlikely. besides, i *hate* condoms. XP
chaelamay 3 years ago
But at the same time waiting till the female is physically unreceptive on purpose for the sole reason to avoid pregnancies is just as bad. In many ways condoms help avoid pregnancies till the couple is actually ready to have a child. It actually seems very responsible to take precautions such as this.
I wouldn't know, my fianc'e left me a year ago. Pity, I really wanted to have my own family by now.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
i also don't agree with having sex outside of marriage. part of marriage is being receptive to becoming parents, not just as an obligation but joyously, and at all times. if you can't accept the consequences of that, then you're not in a true marriage, for one, and also you should just not have sex. we are not mere animals in heat, we have the mental capacity to say, 'wait a sec. i don't want to accept these consequences, so i shouldn't be doing this!'
sorry about the fiance thing. :(
chaelamay 3 years ago
No, waiting for the female's body is not just as bad. If neither of you are using contraceptives, it is still possible for her to be impregnated, and you are both still open to the possibility of life. However, by using a condom or birth control pills, you are saying that you are taking extra measures to ensure you do not get a baby.
omgzorzlikewow 3 years ago
yes, sex is an intimate part of marriage, and should not be practiced solely for reproduction. the act of sex, when participated in correctly, is a unifying act between two very different people. using sex only for reproduction reduces us humans to mere animals.
sex should be an intimate act between a married couple, but it should always be *open* and *receptive* to pregnancy. it is not actually all that difficult. family sized can be managed with modern technology and biological...
chaelamay 3 years ago
understandings. as long as the couple does not act to *kill* a child, they can time intercourse to times when pregnancy is highly unlikely, and thus control family size without undermining human dignity.
chaelamay 3 years ago
Agreed, with proper care and insight into the subject matter a couple can achieve a happy healthy sex life without worrying about the "accidental" fertilization of an egg. And I concur that sex is a wonderful union between a couple and should be celebrated to help show their affection. I believe we've come to a very good and common agreement on the subject matter without causing strife or discord. Unlike some other people......
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
actually, wlc and i are more in agreement than you and i are. the only thing we disagree on is how he's communicating. we both believe that abortion is always murder and that contraception is always immoral. you say that abortion is okay before three weeks, and that contraception is okay.
we are arguing just fine, but that doesn't mean we agree.
chaelamay 3 years ago
That's okay, because my viewpoint has been shared and so has yours. I'm content with the topic since we have both expressed our views, meditated on them and came to our own agreements in our minds.
Fiercedeity02 3 years ago
*nod* i'd rather find common ground than band my head against a brick wall. i also appreciate that you are the only one who can change your mind. i don't have that power, and i certainly don't want it! *shudder*
chaelamay 3 years ago