Yep, the dark blooms around the machine head knobs on the guitar and bass at 1:16 to 1:20 confirm this. It's an artifact of the charge cascade amplification inherent in IO tubes.
Excellent find!
Sadly not much exists of tri-tube io cameras for color broadcasting. Especially since you guys in England/UK didn't get color until, what, the 70s?
@NoPegs Colour transmissions began officially in July 1967 (625 lines PAL) on BBC2. BBC1 and ITV began colour services late 1969. Early studio cameras were 3 or 4 tube plumbicons eg. Philips (Norelco) PC60, Marconi Mk7 & EMI2001. The EMIs were so good that that some remained in service until 1991.
@Ampex196 I LOVED EMI-2001 cameras..They were so advanced for there time. FAR better than Marconi MK7. It was such a sad day in July 1991 when the last TV program was recorded with one of these stunning machines. An episode of Eastenders I believe
R.I.P EMI-2001 4 tube plumbicon camera c.1968-1991. If they had Anti Comet Tail they would have been 100% perfect. I believe around about 650 of these gem's were manufactured.. I wonder how many of them still exist. Very few I should imagine.
@matsui2001 I loved them too - they produced great pictures. Rendition of flesh tones always looked great (for the time). Marconi Mk7 images always looked oversaturated by comparison.
After the replacement of the Marconis' in News with Bosch KCP60s' (I think around 1980), Richard Baker, Bob Dougall & Co. looked much healthier!
@Ampex196 The Marconi MK7 Cameras were very poor I think. Yes I agree they did produce an oversaturated picture.
Can I ask you a question.....Have you ever seen the image quality on a Link 125 Camera. I am sure the BBC started to replace there stunning EMI-2001 camera's with Link 125 camera's in some studio's in the 1980,s. I have seen one or two TV show's that were recorded using Link 125's and I don't think they were any better than an EMI-2001. Just my humble opinion.
@matsui2001 The quality of the Link 125s wasn't as good as the EMI 2001s. They were initially used at The Open University studio at Milton Keynes which was operated by the BBC. The cameramen didn't like them to operate (unweildy and you couldn't easily see round them to see the actors) and there they got a reputation for rough quality pictures. I think the odd studio at BBC TC, London had them.
By 1965 BBC was already shifting over to 625 line 50Hz B&W, with PAL colour to be introduced on BBC2 in '67, and on BBC1 and ITV in '69. BBC2 was introduced with 625 on UHF in '64 and I have a feeling that most shows would have been shifted over to 625 cameras as they became available, even if the broadcast was intended for BBC1 as it would mean less complication (no redundant cameras and separate studios for 405 and 625 line recording).
Are you sure wmbrown6.. The BBC used EMI-203 Cameras in the mid/late 1960,s
I am not saying this was not recorded with TK-10/30 or TK 11/31 Cameras..
I am sure most programs recorded by the BBC Circa mid 1960,s were recorded using EMI-203 Cameras and these were replaced in the late 1960,s by the famous EMI-2001 Camera,s that were used by the BBC right up until July 1991.
Awesome clip. As I take and interest in early cameras, I think this show would of been shot with a Marconi MK-3 or MK-4 IO camera or an EMI-203 IO camera as they were popular in the UK at the time.
to the uploader: It was certainly an image orthicon tube as BBC engineers weren't particularly fond of b/w plumbicons. colour plumbicons were, of course, more than acceptable
This clip orginated at KHJ-tv in "Boss" Angeles USA. It's from a syndicated show called Hollywood A Go-Go hosted by DJ Sam Riddle.
I was on tv here in New York during that era and "Go-Go" was a favorite, Engineers at the studio where I sometimes worked (child actor) told me that the cameras KHJ had were RCA TK-12 (mono)using 3" tubes.
The show never aired in color.
The tubes were similar to those in the TK41 series but selected and matched for individual R,G,B performance.
Three inches was the tube diameter at the front image section. There was also a 4.5 inch IO that RCA used in the early 1960's, it produced spectacular mono output but was too big for color cams. Te ill-fated TK 42-43 used a 4.5 for Y-sig and three 1 inch vidicons for chroma. The cameras were hated by engineers and here in NYC, NBC O%O and network refused to install them and kept the TK41c's somewhat modded until 1973!
I seem to have read that KHJ-TV used TK-11/31 cameras then. As for which NYC station aired "Hollywood a Go-Go," it was WPIX Channel 11, which aired each episode about four months after the original L.A. airdate. (WOR Channel 9 ran their own show along those lines, "Let's Go Go.") But the backdrop, plus the dancers, certainly betrays this as a U.S. 525-line origin in general, and from "Hollywood a Go-Go" in particular.
Evidently, RKO was too cheap to splurge on TK-60's or Marconi Mark IV's... ;)
its a picture fron a orthicon camera look the dark halo around in the bulb lights, just orthicon tube make this effects, my tk 41C uses 3 orthicons in the camera chain and the color pictures are so good but the dark halo is present...
The BBC used to transfer kept items to film using many different types of systems.Also most of the BBC's London studios in 1966 were originating 625 & converting for TX
the halo effect around the highlights is a classic example of orthicon tube cameras, i would guess it was a marconi camera being used, perhaps a mark III or later, they were also switchable between standards...i have one of these cameras in my collection
"Not much sign of 405-to-625 pixelation as I've seen on another 1969 TOTP video." - This may be because the BBC don't hold the original tapes and they have recovered the other footage you've seen from an engineers old Sony reel-to-reel recordings. I think those old Sony machines only recorded one field, making the picture deinterlaced and twice as pixelated.
The guy dancing in the front with the checked tie is my uncle Bill.
Richardisdorky 1 year ago
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certainly not a plumicon tubes, this type of tube has no corona around strong light sources, but that effect is found in the image orthicon
firenzeprima 1 year ago
certainly not a plumicon tubes, this type of tube has no corona around strong light sources, but that effect is found in the image orthicon
firenzeprima 1 year ago
Yep, the dark blooms around the machine head knobs on the guitar and bass at 1:16 to 1:20 confirm this. It's an artifact of the charge cascade amplification inherent in IO tubes.
Excellent find!
Sadly not much exists of tri-tube io cameras for color broadcasting. Especially since you guys in England/UK didn't get color until, what, the 70s?
NoPegs 2 years ago
@NoPegs Colour transmissions began officially in July 1967 (625 lines PAL) on BBC2. BBC1 and ITV began colour services late 1969. Early studio cameras were 3 or 4 tube plumbicons eg. Philips (Norelco) PC60, Marconi Mk7 & EMI2001. The EMIs were so good that that some remained in service until 1991.
Ampex196 1 year ago
@Ampex196 I LOVED EMI-2001 cameras..They were so advanced for there time. FAR better than Marconi MK7. It was such a sad day in July 1991 when the last TV program was recorded with one of these stunning machines. An episode of Eastenders I believe
R.I.P EMI-2001 4 tube plumbicon camera c.1968-1991. If they had Anti Comet Tail they would have been 100% perfect. I believe around about 650 of these gem's were manufactured.. I wonder how many of them still exist. Very few I should imagine.
matsui2001 1 year ago
@matsui2001 I loved them too - they produced great pictures. Rendition of flesh tones always looked great (for the time). Marconi Mk7 images always looked oversaturated by comparison.
After the replacement of the Marconis' in News with Bosch KCP60s' (I think around 1980), Richard Baker, Bob Dougall & Co. looked much healthier!
Ampex196 1 year ago
@Ampex196 The Marconi MK7 Cameras were very poor I think. Yes I agree they did produce an oversaturated picture.
Can I ask you a question.....Have you ever seen the image quality on a Link 125 Camera. I am sure the BBC started to replace there stunning EMI-2001 camera's with Link 125 camera's in some studio's in the 1980,s. I have seen one or two TV show's that were recorded using Link 125's and I don't think they were any better than an EMI-2001. Just my humble opinion.
matsui2001 1 year ago
@matsui2001 The quality of the Link 125s wasn't as good as the EMI 2001s. They were initially used at The Open University studio at Milton Keynes which was operated by the BBC. The cameramen didn't like them to operate (unweildy and you couldn't easily see round them to see the actors) and there they got a reputation for rough quality pictures. I think the odd studio at BBC TC, London had them.
unhban 7 months ago
I wish i had a Vidicon camera :)
If i knew electronics back then i would have bought up all those Portapack cams and convert them for normal connectors.
Actually, i have only CCD cameras... but MANY of them.
7 B/W cameras (one with 1/2" sensor!), 3 color cameras
Only yesterday arrived 4 B/W CCTV cameras i bought for 5 EUR per piece with cut 230V cable. Attached a RG59/BNC lead and power and works.
But contrary to orthicons, some of my B/W cams can see your face with only a cigarette glow!
rtbvhsrip 2 years ago
you know what guys,
LONDON is really high-tech in mid1960s,
because they could do live program in 1954 (a televised live program).
unlike in the philippines, they could not do live program.
so, i believe that the orthicon tube could be made in mid 60's.
boyhey1 2 years ago
By 1965 BBC was already shifting over to 625 line 50Hz B&W, with PAL colour to be introduced on BBC2 in '67, and on BBC1 and ITV in '69. BBC2 was introduced with 625 on UHF in '64 and I have a feeling that most shows would have been shifted over to 625 cameras as they became available, even if the broadcast was intended for BBC1 as it would mean less complication (no redundant cameras and separate studios for 405 and 625 line recording).
juni0r75 2 years ago
thanks for sharing!
phoxetis 2 years ago
Has anyone found an effects plug in for FCP FCE or anything else that will simulate a tube camera B/W or otherwise?
bassman619 2 years ago
Hard to say..
It could have been recorded with an EMI-203 Camera.
matsui2001 2 years ago
No, these were RCA TK-10/30 or TK-11/31 cameras - either of which was used at the time by Los Angeles station KHJ (now KCAL) Channel 9.
wmbrown6 2 years ago
Are you sure wmbrown6.. The BBC used EMI-203 Cameras in the mid/late 1960,s
I am not saying this was not recorded with TK-10/30 or TK 11/31 Cameras..
I am sure most programs recorded by the BBC Circa mid 1960,s were recorded using EMI-203 Cameras and these were replaced in the late 1960,s by the famous EMI-2001 Camera,s that were used by the BBC right up until July 1991.
matsui2001 2 years ago
The point was, the BBC's "TOTP" used EMI 203's, but this specific clip wasn't of "TOTP" origin.
wmbrown6 2 years ago
It looks like it is from a German TV show Beat-Club at the time they launched it and The Byrds was on it... They have survived it from Bremen??
Glamking1 2 years ago
Definately orthicon cameras , 3" were the norm at the CBC until the late 60s ,
The Mark IV had 4 1/2" orthicons .
The CBCs first colour cameras , RCA TK 42 , also used 4 1/2 " orticon tubes as the Y channel .
TK42CCU 2 years ago
Someone may have said this already (sorry if I'm being redundant) but this ain't TOTP...its an American show called "Hollywood a go-go".
proton45 2 years ago
Awesome clip. As I take and interest in early cameras, I think this show would of been shot with a Marconi MK-3 or MK-4 IO camera or an EMI-203 IO camera as they were popular in the UK at the time.
typicalaussiebloke 2 years ago
Oh well, they mimed anyway.
mubd1234 3 years ago
to the uploader: It was certainly an image orthicon tube as BBC engineers weren't particularly fond of b/w plumbicons. colour plumbicons were, of course, more than acceptable
AidanLunn 3 years ago
This clip orginated at KHJ-tv in "Boss" Angeles USA. It's from a syndicated show called Hollywood A Go-Go hosted by DJ Sam Riddle.
I was on tv here in New York during that era and "Go-Go" was a favorite, Engineers at the studio where I sometimes worked (child actor) told me that the cameras KHJ had were RCA TK-12 (mono)using 3" tubes.
The show never aired in color.
The tubes were similar to those in the TK41 series but selected and matched for individual R,G,B performance.
fresnel1956 3 years ago
3 inch? as in the target screen diagonal? Sounds huge, I've found what I'd call 3/4" tubes in 1980s cameras...
thomasking55 3 years ago
Three inches was the tube diameter at the front image section. There was also a 4.5 inch IO that RCA used in the early 1960's, it produced spectacular mono output but was too big for color cams. Te ill-fated TK 42-43 used a 4.5 for Y-sig and three 1 inch vidicons for chroma. The cameras were hated by engineers and here in NYC, NBC O%O and network refused to install them and kept the TK41c's somewhat modded until 1973!
fresnel1956 3 years ago
Oh my god, I remember watching "Boss City" with Sam Riddle as a kid, talk about a blast from the past.
citybeat60 3 years ago
I seem to have read that KHJ-TV used TK-11/31 cameras then. As for which NYC station aired "Hollywood a Go-Go," it was WPIX Channel 11, which aired each episode about four months after the original L.A. airdate. (WOR Channel 9 ran their own show along those lines, "Let's Go Go.") But the backdrop, plus the dancers, certainly betrays this as a U.S. 525-line origin in general, and from "Hollywood a Go-Go" in particular.
Evidently, RKO was too cheap to splurge on TK-60's or Marconi Mark IV's... ;)
wmbrown6 2 years ago
its a picture fron a orthicon camera look the dark halo around in the bulb lights, just orthicon tube make this effects, my tk 41C uses 3 orthicons in the camera chain and the color pictures are so good but the dark halo is present...
guimbadriver 4 years ago
The BBC used to transfer kept items to film using many different types of systems.Also most of the BBC's London studios in 1966 were originating 625 & converting for TX
lleborp 4 years ago
the halo effect around the highlights is a classic example of orthicon tube cameras, i would guess it was a marconi camera being used, perhaps a mark III or later, they were also switchable between standards...i have one of these cameras in my collection
jpvp2 4 years ago
"Not much sign of 405-to-625 pixelation as I've seen on another 1969 TOTP video." - This may be because the BBC don't hold the original tapes and they have recovered the other footage you've seen from an engineers old Sony reel-to-reel recordings. I think those old Sony machines only recorded one field, making the picture deinterlaced and twice as pixelated.
ahd2006 4 years ago
The performance isn't actually taken from TOTP originally. Not sure where it comes from. Might be a US show. It was shown on TOTP2 though of course.
NB1972 4 years ago