God Bless the people in New York when they were attacked, God Bless the children being bombed in Iraq, God Bless the Junkie with the monkey on his back. God Bless everybody under the sun!
elton is rich, I am poor, with this sog we have union, and in anyway that this song is sung it means the same, god bless elton, god bless me and god bless the world, because we need it!
@MACHAWK123 Kind greetings machawk123. Yours is a good post, thoughtful. Honest. The reason it appears too melodramatic is simply due to humbleness, humbleness that is born within the limits of each of as individuals, some of us are more natural, and for some of us, it takes courage and humility. So he's doing the best that he is able - at being humble before God. Trust me kind friend, at a minimum, it's sincere, doing his best. I cal it very brave, takes some guts - God likes.
Simply enjoy this beautiful and lovely song. The author dies just three weeks after compose it, was sick of tuberculosis...After it this song is used for funerals, sadness, and other limit situations. As hope words to world. A fact that called my atention was that he's not praying for him health, he is accepted the god will and all that he want is "Please Don't leave me alone". A perfect resume of any Christian "Don't matter what happens please lord stay whit me"
Look guys. Around the World all human knowledge never pass the 3% of the totall od world, and i'm talking about just our planet. Ouside in space our level of knowledge is very very limit (if not is null). Pretend know all the answer of the life distract us from the great success, the big miracle, the most lmportant love test ever...The sacrifice of our lord Jesuschrist for save all humanity from hell, and the big temptemter. Trying to find an answer about dinosaurs not make you more save
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL? SEE THE PERSON NOT THE SEXUALLITY OF THE MAN. HE DOES A LOT FOR CHARITY AND I CAN ASURE YOU THERE ARE LOTS OF BAD HETEROSEXUAL PEOPLE WHO DO A LOT WORSE THAN HIM OUT THERE. IM A FEMALE MUSIC TEACHER IN My FIFTIES, i AM A VERY MUSICAL PERSON , AND I THINK HEV SINGS THIS BEAUTIFULLY. I WAS VERY TOUCHED BY IT. THE FACT THAT HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL DIDNT EVEN ENTER MY MIND. WELL DONE ELTON, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!
Lets hope that the future generations people can move on, live with peace and not discriminate against others who are only just a little bit different to ourselves.
Wow, how did I know that Elton John singing Abide With Me would create a ridiculous argument about homosexuality vs Christianity? That was more than predictable. I feel so sorry for you all, because you have no idea what's really goin' on ...
@MPNYPDFBI BEST COMMENT EVER! I was shocked when I saw this whole thing. I mean, when I saw the video I thought, "I like Elton John and I like "'Abide with me". This will be nice." Apparently that was not what other people thought.
@AVGuy2981 But the concept of God and Christ comes from the Bible and the Bible condemns homosexuality in several places so...... honestly (no malice), maybe you should consider another faith, because your beliefs and the foundation of Christianity are not consistent...
@CREATESTUDIOS88 consider another faith??? let them in and let the Holy Spirit deal with their sexuality...as they grow in the Lord, they will surely want Christ as their treasure and not some sexual relationship. they are no worse then a church gossip. sin is sin...we all must row in the Lord some of us start from very far. pray for your gay brethren.
If only the righteous can sing a holy song, such as this beautiful hymn, then no one on earth has earned the right to do so, for the Bible says that all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.
We sing this song because of the Grace of God given to us through Jesus Christ.
None of us are worthy to sing this hiymn but by the Grace of God.
I don't condone homosexuality but neither do I condemn them. And I'm no better than those who do practice such acts.
@MrReubenc i fully agree with you, that it is not we who are able to condemn one another, for there is but one righteous judge, but that being said, the bible is very clear about how we should live our lives, ever since the beginning, gen 2: 24, god never intended for a man to be intimate with another man, and this reasoning is also brought forth into the new testament, for christ will not n cannot abide in us while we are with sin isa 59: 1-2. john 14: 23-24, 15: 10. 2 pet 3: 9, tc n god bless
If only the righteous can sing a holy song, such as this beautiful hymn, then no one on earth has earned the right to do so, for the Bible says that all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.
We sing this song because of the Grace of God given to us through Jesus Christ.
None of us are worthy to sing this hiymn but by the Grace of God.
I don't condone homosexuality but neither do I condemn them. And I'm no better than who do do practice such acts.
How dare you sing this holy song you sinner. You think abide with me is a cry to your fellow man??? well your fellow man loves and cherishes women and not other men, you anti bible anti christian man loving gay twat.
Sorry to all you gays but he is such a fucking sinner.
I totally love this song sung "Abide With Me" by Elton John, the song and the singer. It is very strong in spirit. It is worshipful. His voice and inflections are powerful.
Isn't this just dreadful?! I don't know how the Band kept their faces straight. Oh, and I don't see George Martin rushing to put him in the studio, but I do see him cringing in the audience!
@AVGuy2981 It's one thing to have a certain condition, like a hormone balance that causes homosexuality, but there is a serious problem with pushing sexual stuff on young children. That's what's happening in Europe and NA and it's NOT ok! There is absolutely no way in hell that God approves of this political agenda!
i'm glad most of the comments on this particular page are progressive. Fuck you hateful few though. If there is a hell you'll burn in it. Get out of little town USA and experience the world and reality. You sound like the people from westboro baptist church. remember children, god hates fags. thank god for dead soldiers. Obviously some people are still living in a medieval realm.
@RhiannonJones1 i agree. i was already crying hearing king choir singing the original version until i hear this version i thought he desecrated the music.
@AVGuy2981 well even that isnt my thing . yours or his. BUT it is irrelevant. you are, you, and i am i. bible tells us we all ALL made in teh image of GOD
We are all sinners. We have all fallen. Jesus saved us all. Elton John is gay, but you know what? We're as filthy as rags. In the Bible, rags was in the Greek for used 'tampons.' That's what God sees in us, that we are filthy and unworthy until Jesus died for our past, present and future sins.
This man should be arrested and charged with murdering a very fanoius and well-loved hymn. Why doesn;t this ageing talentless queen stick to pop rock - not that he was very good at that
Sorry Elton John a famous and gifted singer has not displayed much emotions in the singing of this famous sacred hymn.The singing of this hymn generates the great hope we have in Jesus whose resurrection and triumph over death gives us the Peace of what we can expect when are sojourn on this earth is coming closer to it's mortal end, though not an eternal end,There is assurance in the saving power of the blood of Jesus which cleanses us of our sins and paves the way to eternal life!
Iam born to Hindu parents, I remember singing this song when I was in my kindergargen class, still remember this song & hymns. great job the christian community does to the world through charity, we love mother Theresa who lived in our country, in calcutta.
i can't believe how quick christians spit fire at a gay man for singing a Christian song. it's embarassing. many Christian male power-singers popular today are gay. elton has accepted God into his heart. this doesn't make him perfect. no human is perfect. it DOES mean that he stands before God's judgement and not the judgement of petty Christian bible thumpers who've never UNDERSTOOD The Word. some times i think Christians forgive murder sooner than they'll forgive homosexuality. insecurity?
@flobtheblob true christians do not judge.most christians who truely understand the word will be accepting for he whom judges will be judged.let he who is without sin cast the first stone.god loves the sinner,but hates the sin
I'm a Christian and I don't think elton John should be publicly promoting homosexual. If he's caught up the sins of Sodom and Gommorrah, who am I to judge him but to publicly criticise people who're against gay is abhorent. I for one will not accept homosexualilty. There's an order in the universe and we must follow the order to find the course of our existence. There's a reason for night and day, darkness and light, MAN & WOMAN period!
As a Christian I must say that though the embracing of homosexual desires is a sin, so is the hetero lusting after women in the heart. Both are equally as wrong and need equal forgiveness. I don't know Elton's heart. That's God's job. I do know that if a person continues in sinfull ways without repentence faith will wither and die. God's will be done.
I couldn't care less that he's gay, that is his own business. Elton John has a musical gift from God, that is what I care about. I had the privilege of seeing him live in concert, and he was very polite and gentlemanly. He stood up to take a humble bow after every single song he performed. I've never ever seen any other musician do that.
we need to ask the question "what wold Jesus do?" 1st before you do or say anything! And truly what would Jesus do? Then do accordingly, remember Jesus calls ALL sinners to come to Him. Pray for Elton instead saying negative things because after all that is what Jesus would do, correct? How many of YOU have prayed & fasted for Elton to be saved? I think we need to do as Jesus would do or are we so heavenly minded that we are no earthly good? Get a burden for the lost!
@IggyPC That's it, you said it all. Jesus died for him too, and listening to this makes me understand that we need Elton John in heaven too. He is gifted!!! We need to learn how to love people more and know what happens to them if they die without our God. Let's LOVE, not judge. Let God work personally with his sexuality, it's not us who have to do this. I pray Elton will be in heaven with us one day singing praises to out wonderful God. <3 from Brazil!!!
@AVGuy2981 It says more that that, it says that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. and I would to highlight the word "SINNERS" straight, and bent. And if we say that we have not sinned, then the truth is not in us, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Straight or Bent we need to repent of our sin in order to be saved.
OK badbav33 What dont you understand? clearly you are not a Bible student.. The Bible says that we are all dead in trespasses and sin, that includes Elton, that being the case, Elton like us all, has to repent of his sin, and own Jesus as his saviour, in ord to be saved. Elton cannot sing his way into heaven, because Jesus said, I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME. Do you get it?
A disgusting, coarse, and common performance, which BTW has nothing to do with his personal life.... completely disrespectful to everything the song stands for
This song was a strength for me.....after my husband left this earth.last year.. I love Elton.s voice! When I was young...his song "Your Song"..pulled me out of a deep depression and put my feet back on a stable path. The kindness of the words and the music and his voice were shining through my gloom and pointing me" to the skies"'He has a wonderful soul and a kind spirit.What life he leads is entirely his and he is entitiled to immense respect for the love he's given to us all through his songs
People dont go to hell because they are homosexuals, or rapist, or adulterers, they go to hell because they are "UNREPENTANT SINNERS" If Elton is to be saved, it will not be by singing hymns, but by humbling himself before God and asking forgiveness for his sin, and owning Jesus as his saviour. Theres no other way.
@togglesblock Your views do not conform with the Lord and saviour I know in my heart, which is why I must disagree with your description of Sin.
Sin is to do wrong to someone, to steal, murder, have evil thoughts of someone, to do something that in your heart you know is wrong. Jesus taught us many things, of great importance....did he forget to reinforce that rule, or was it added later by man to aid the new Christian religion to grow in numbers?
@AVGuy2981 Well, If you will read your Bible you will see it plainly says that homosexually is an abomonation to God, And they will be condemned! And no, I am not this so called homophobic, I just know what the Bible says.
@Baccalaureus79 The Bible also says to Judge Righteously...you cannot just pick and choose which verses you agree with....we are not to judge hypocritically but righteously...
@zebb1111 Blessed are - the poor in spirit - they that mourn - the meek - they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness - the merciful - the pure in heart - the peacemakers - they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake According to this list, I sooner feel blessed than condemned. Thanks Matthew, Chapter 5:3-11!
@zebb1111 ... I don't know what St. Paul knew. I know that he was a guy of his time, and that he was a convertite. And convertites tend to be zealots. However, I don't feel blamed, nor did I have a choice. And I know that if there is a God, and if the Bible is right, Jesus loves me, too. And I don't need hypocrites and zealots to tell me that he doesn't. So go and mind your own business and keep your nose off other people's bedrooms.
Homo/hetrosexuality fornication are equal sins(1Tim 1:9-10) its been made clear what sexs for, between whom and kind arrangement it should be done in?Jesus did not encourage his ppl to accept anyform of lifestlye but taught the way to salvation by exericing faith in him including moral codes, which forbids certain types of conducts eg.homosexuality.Living by Bible standards is also a lifestlye of choice which you can accept or reject.True Christians adhere to biblical views.No stone cast :)
@blindpea There are 613 commandments in the OT. But breaking a commandment does not exclude you from Judaism. Atonement is offered to any Jew who observes Yom Kippur. Likewise, Christianity is based upon Jesus' teachings of love and forgiveness. That is atonement for any conflict in life. If you love, if you can forgive, if you can understand, you can be guilty of no sin, and no one around you can be guilty of any sin.
The concept of sin is for those who cannot understand that yet.
@Baccalaureus79 - If you believe you shouldn't judge, then stop judging @Petterdiesel. Scripture also says "twist not ye Scripture, lest you be like the devil"
@Baccalaureus79 does your bible also say Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God (1 cor 6:9,10)
@Baccalaureus79 does it also say: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities (jude7,8)
@Baccalaureus79 i believe when you say do not judge and you will not be judged, you are talking about matt 7:1, but with that in mind, jesus was talking about the measure of ones judgment, if one uses a biased measure, then that would be used to judge him in return, but the bible is clear about judgment, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (heb 9:27). one would one be saved if one repents of his sin, not by continuing in sin, and asking god to abide with him
@rshrox Oh shut up, god doesn't exist, only in the minds of stupid people, that believe what they are told, in scriptures that was written by men, and a book that has been used to oppress millions
with thousands of religions, pick one,any one, they are all as unbelievable as the other
Science has proven that we are descended from apes, not some big sky daddy, in seven days... And religious nuts still haven't explained there the dinosaurs came from
@easy1355 i see that you still retain your ape like nature in that you don't even know how to speak respectfully, but how can one expect such a thing from whose great great great grand dad was an ape? but anyhow, try looking up a few debates here on youtube about the dawkins theory, and the theory of natural selection and all the other theories you smart simian-sapiens try to come up with. how the book is used is the fault of fallible man, not the fault of infallible God.
@rshrox See, you disillusioned bible basher's make the same mistake time and time again..
I can't be respectful to stupid people, who have 'faith' in a false entity, as I don't respect people who are void of logic or thought. I notice, you didn't answer the question, where did the Dinosaurs come from? Is this one of those moments where the greatest 'get out of jail free' card comes in handy... God works in mysterious ways?
As for Reading... Er, no, this is what has lead you waste your life
@easy1355 it is astonishing to see someone who keeps calling another "stupid" while he shares the same burden of proof that the one who is a believer in god has. this is the pride we find in foolishness, i will not try to change your mind, go ahead, think all those who believe in god to be the "stupid" ones, as the bible reminds us, Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. matt 7:6
@rshrox See, your quoting passages from that badly made up, piece of rubbish called the Bible.. No potential for rational thought, personal responsibility.....
Science my friend, as they say, 'the truth will set you free'
Still no reference to this pre-historic question, probably because the Dinosaurs were before 'god'? Or rather than that written rubbish. God! I may have found the answer.....
@easy1355 well if dinosaurs are your reason for not believing in god, then so be it, the bible is not here to tell us everything about this world, as it will pass away, but is the will of god for man, and if you do not look for the evidence within the bible and what it does prove, then it is your loss, you talk about rationality and personal responsibility while you, yourself ask something irrational of the bible.
@rshrox LOL.... your post's get funnier and more telling.
Firstly, you haven't been able to answer the question.. and oh my god.... you have just admitted that the Bible doesn't tell us everything about this work.... Wow, in which case, it probably could be re-written to include homosexuality as a good thing?? Just wondering, I mean if it doesn't tell everything.. oops, in fact it tells us nothing.
I have asked nothing of this useless, man made rubbish, written by man and followed by fools.
@easy1355 how else do i put this, the bible doesn't tell us everything we want to know about this world, as it is not a book of answers, but it is a book that shows man the way of salvation, and that includes how man should live his life, it does not however tell us everything that we may have questions about, like your question, dinosaurs, that has no bearing on how one should live once life, the bible gives us enough reason to believe in it, but if you choose to ignore it, its your choice
@rshrox I have never heard so my rubbish, did this book not go into depth about how the World was made? oh, yes it did, It's time Frames are all wrong, Bashers cherry pick what they want
Tell me, does the Bible say this:
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, that is, with the wife of a fellow countryman, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death
Would you comply?
I found the reference to slaves interesting, am I allowed a slave?. again, the Dinosaur question?
@easy1355 yes the bible did go into how the world was created, and if you read the account, you will find that everything procreates after its own kind, no monkey to man transition, and if you are going to pull passages out of context then you can say anything about the bible, when christ came, the old covenant was nailed to the cross, slaves, try reading the passages again, and you'd find that it actually means servant, one that serves the master for wage, modern day, employer and employee
@rshrox Yes, as I said, a work of fiction... and a book that can be interpreted in MANY ways.. thank you for proving my point in such an eloquent way.
Servant means slaves, or does it mean servant, oh, let's just decide on this day and in 'this' generation what this means.. Although, you do know there were slaves in 'those' days, oh and in many cases owned by 'christians' ? See, your learning. No thanks required
Sorry, for only providing hard to argue with facts.. try it, it's liberating...
@easy1355 look at your gripe with the bible, you have not even asked anything of the bible and yet you condemn it to be rubbish, and you keep going to your dinosaur question to justify whatever you do in your life, "there is no god, so what the hell, lets do anything we want", and the bible condemns such conceitedness, and yes i understand, its a problem for many who want to continue in that way, its truly a sad thing. i hope one day, you take the time to read the bible, it may change your life.
@rshrox Oh, don't worry, I have many more hilarious quotes from this work of fiction
You have answered no questions I have asked, you are a clever politician, skirting around the issues.. Don't worry, I was far to bright for you to let you get away with it
You also make YET ANOTHER, glaring error (let me help you)
"there is no god, so what the hell, lets do anything we want"
Yes, let's go to work, work hard, pay our taxes and be good to people and society, and I didn't even need a book.
@easy1355 glaring error? i think not, what is definitive is what i'm talking about, even a dog would know not to bite its master who feeds it, be good to people and society, very noble of you, but when the question comes about is it right if father sleeps with daughter, brother sleeps with brother,then begs the question, what is wrong, if both parties are over the legal age and are willing partners? your sense of justice only works on the surface my friend, in your world, there are no absolutes
@rshrox That's because a dog works on instinct and it's next food source (a very bad example)... not free thinking people... Did you get the Species mixed up?
Are, and again, you fall into your own trap.. No helping some people.
is it right if father sleeps with daughter, brother sleeps with brother,then begs the question, what is wrong, if both parties are over the legal age and are willing partners?
You see this is a legal question, not a Christian one. But I will reply below
@easy1355 Let's deal with your interesting question,
is it right if father sleeps with daughter, brother sleeps with brother,then begs the question, what is wrong, if both parties are over the legal age and are willing partners?
Well, firstly it happens, if both parties are willing, well then that falls under the jurisdiction of local laws.
Personally, if it was happening next door and both were happy, who cares. Just because it's not 'my way' I wouldn't criticise or condemn.
@easy1355 that is the whole point, there is no sense of morality that you can impose, because your evolution process does not give you such values, whose to say what hitler did was wrong, or what mother teresa did was right? you false sense of honour, i take the higher ground because i don't criticise and i don't condemn. keep your moral "high ground" and go on living the way you want to, in your false sense of goodness, because it changes just as the weather changes
I chose the path that means than I can keep my dignity, my sense of individual goodness and pride
I would never be influenced by false prophecy, a book, a doctrine, I have never felt the need to follow
I have always wondered about those tribes who have never heard the word of this false god, do they go to hell, or is there an interpretation, after all, if you don't follow the word of god, you go to that other false belief,Hell.
@easy1355 yea, but how is it a product of your evolution? morality is an individual right, so can it differ from one individual to another? you keep saying its a false book, and all that, but you cannot disprove it either, that's the burden of proof that the atheist has to bear, you run behind the dinosaur issue to prove your claims, but disregard the historical proof of the man, jesus of nazereth, truly it has been funny, choose what you like, and disregard the rest
@rshrox If you are going to ask questions, make them good ones, your very lucky I choose to answer, given you have not been able answer any of mine.. I will continue to remind you,. don't you worry
The book has already been disproved, it's time scales, the fact it says nothing about the Dino's (see got it in again) I mean I would have thought the description of how the world was made, would disprove the existence of any Pre-Historic animals, oh, hang on, they exist.
@easy1355 about your scenario, if one does not accept christ, he is lost, that is why as christians we need to go to as many people to spread the word, one who is truly seeking the will of god shall find it, that is the promise the bible gives, so if you are truly seeking god, you will find him, atheism claims christiantity to be a dictatorship by god, "follow me or die in hell" thing, but they themselves do not realise that the choice is either god or hell, the choice is theirs to make,freewill
@easy1355 free thinking? i doubt it, if you are derived from apes, then we are about by certain rules, but the fact that we indeed have free will makes us different from animals, so yes, you begin to see the difference, about it being a legal question, who makes something legal or illegal? it is a moral question, which is what the bible addresses
@rshrox Its called evolution my friend, proven without doubt by science, our ability to make these decisions for ourselves, only proves that we evolved from apes,Sorry about that
It's a moral question, because 'you' choose it to be so, not because what you believe is morally wrong is wrong. your life is dictated to by a book, very sad
The Bible, would have people killed (or is that an interpretation?)
Either way, you contradicted every thing you have said. but don't worry, I was expecting it.
@easy1355 how is it that i contradicted myself? i can say the same, you make it a legal question when it is a moral one, its not consistent, you do not use the same measure between this simple debate, indeed my life is governed by the bible, which i believe it to be the word of god, your theory about evolving from apes being the explanation for free will is something new, i don't think even dawkins claimed such a thing, but that's your "science" for you
@rshrox No, you see I am able to think on two levels, you see, Morality and Faith often contradict, and sometimes conflict.. in many cases in-fact.
Dawkins? Free will, you really must grow up. As I continue to explain, Evolution is in no doubt, our abilities are based our brain function, which differs from animals, through evolution, in-fact, it goes further to prove the non-existence of god.. So, I found it amusing you asked
As for your misguided faith, I am sorry, I can't help you with that
@easy1355 who's morality? and who's faith? if your morality is compared to that of mine then yes, it would contradict, but that just it, there is no absolutes for you, no right and no wrong, you would classify free will to be an ability? and you would classify your morality as an ability also? so what ever one does is a product of his/ her evolution? so murderers are more or less evolved that you or i because they something in murder that you or i may not, (con't)
@rshrox You poor misguided fool. Who's Morality and who's faith.. I am afraid to say, I didn't need a book to tell me I should be a good neighbour or care for other's, that murder is wrong, and blindly following a faith is stupid, I am just too intelligent for that,
Free will, is an ability, but where you go wrong here, is that all animals have free will, most follow their instincts, where we lost ours with evolution. As for murder part of your question, what are you going on about.
@easy1355 animals have free will? but somehow you don't see them killing because of greed, killing for pleasure, or anything of that sort, so if they had free will without instinct they would be just like us, interesting. as for me being a fool according to you, well its alright, i'll take that, its usually the brightest minds around who go around calling themselves the smartest, truly, i'm in awe of your genius
@rshrox Indeed, you are correct, I am bright... remain in awe...
As to your badly written, 'points' 'questions' (I don't think your ever to sure)
I see animals as instinctual, they hunt for food, and in some cases have fun with their prey (like the killer whales) so, I have the ability to see animals on two levels, lead initially by instinct, and and free will.. i.e. my dog hates Pedigree chum.
As for for the rest of your post, it can easily be ignored.
@rshrox (con't) plus you said earlier, that you did not need a book to tell you to be good to society, where is your basis for good? or dont tell me, its an ability you acquired along the way, from being an ape to now being a man. i am amazed you think that evolution is in no question, you need to have an imagination to make up the rest of your "fossil record" to support such claims, but like i say again, if you want to believe it, go ahead, it is your entire right to believe in it, friend
Respond to this video... Indeed, it was passed down through our genes, and the funny thing about that sentence, is the implication, to have faith, you need a book.. And, yet I am just as good as 'the sheep'
As for the fossil statement, you still haven't answered my question, glad I remembered? and again, would you murder as is instructed by the bible? ah, you couldn't answer that either could you
It is indeed my right, to believe in the truth, and yours to 'follow' without question
@easy1355 well under the new covenant, the old was nailed to the cross, so no, the bible does not condone murder, if you are going to pull verses out of context then you could say anything about the bible, jesus goes as far to say that murder in the heart is sin, much more the act of killing someone. still no basis for your sense of goodness, again, what makes something truly right or truly wrong in your evolutionary world? assumptions again, just like the fossil record was assumed.
@rshrox You bible basher, fall into your trap, when you say 'new covenant' now, I apologise if I have this incorrect, as with most of your post's, it's difficult to understand.
Are you talking and refferring to the 'old' and 'new' testaments? or just the interpretations... none the less you prove my point better than I did, the Bible is a book of interpretations, the reference to Murder almost certainly meant 'murder' as in the period the Bible was written, this was wide spread, cont
@easy1355 'just like the fossil record was assumed' meaning??, see, you find it difficult to account for the Dinosaurs, which were real, as this would contradict everything the bible states, even though its a book of ridiculous contradictions and inaccuracies. I mean, I don't remember when I went to bible studies in my childhood days, it saying it was Adam and Eve and million or so pet Dino's, do you?
You know, being good is easy, you don't need an instruction manual, maybe you do, worrying!
@easy1355 nice bible studies you went to when you were a kid, if you want answers to dinosaurs, go look it up online, like i said the bible's purpose is not to explain everything in this world but it is the will of god for mankind, so by you going on and on about it, here are some christians explaining dinosaurs, (1) you should correct your statement, being good according to yourself is easy, but by an unchanging standard, not so
@rshrox go to google and search for, why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the bible
couldn't paste the web link directly, have a read, and then maybe who knows, you might have been sleeping during that class in your bible study when they were actually saying something about that burning question of yours
@rshrox I did... only out of interest, and it all centred around, believers in 'the faith' in-fact, I was even going to suggest it for viewing for you... see, you can't say I am not helpful.
And no, nothing about Dinosaurs in bible studies, so, with your investigative skills (with the use of Google) what did you deduce.....
@rshrox actually, yes it is, that is it's prime Directive, it states clearly how the world was made... and Dinosaurs didn't even have a paragraph.... So, again, if the bible is correct, and your sky daddy exists, where did the Dinosaurs come from...
It's a simple question.. surely there must be a help section in the bible entitled, 'help with difficult/impossible questions, asked by intelligent people'....
@easy1355 interpretations? what have i interpreted for you in any of my posts? all i have done is said to take a verse in context, and murder found in the new testament, is murder in the heart, much more than murder literally, the old covenant was with the jewish people, but the new covenant is for all who receive christ, whether jew or gentile.
@rshrox You interpreted what murder meant.. quite clearly, and then you talk about context... that is interpretation.
And the old and new testaments are just more proof, you can read and believe and interpret what you wish, if something doesn't fit in with your life, interpret it in your own way.... oh sorry, I meant 'take a verse in context'
Jew, Christian, Muslim,Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster ... all are ridiculous, and should give you a clue of how misguided/brainwashed you are.
@easy1355 i don't need to interpret the meaning of murder as you and i know what it is, but if you take verses out of context, if you have done any research paper about anything, you would know what i mean, its not interpreting the verse, but keeping the verse within the context of what it is try to state, but here it is again, you're idea of good and bad, justice and injustice, fair and unfair, it certainly is easy to stay "good" when the scales you use are tipped to one side
@rshrox That's what I said, interpretation, exactly as I said it.. 'keeping' a text in context, if you never wrote the bible (an assumption on my part) means in the main, you HAD to have interpreted it, also the other big clue you should have seen, was that, it IS interpreted by many, I love the way you help me with my points.
The scales can only be tipped in my favour, if the action of goodness is kindness to all, I will be just as nice to a homosexual as heterosexual (you assumed I am gay?)
@easy1355 what you say shows that you have not read the scriptures, try reading a small portion matthew 5:21-22, i wonder what you would see in that passage, but anyways, about kindness to all, as a christian i am called to be kind to all, kind to the point to tell then the error of their ways, not to sweep something under the rug, a true friend, would tell you your faults, and wouldn't mind being the "bad" one to do so, so i dont see how kindness is tipping the scale in your favour
@rshrox Oh... you mean, what I live by everyday, without help from a book, well done, you may be learning something.. and hey, there is my brilliance yet again, I was able to use my free will to follow my own path, strange in converges into the bible hey...oh no sorry, not strange as it was written by individuals, people, like you and me.
And, let's face, if god was real, well, he wouldn't have needed to use people, in caves to write a book.. lol
@easy1355 you talking about moses? or the gospel writers? just as you find me amusing, i'm having a good time myself, you talk about trying to explain things to the misguided when you, yourself are being fallacious in claiming that there is no god, so try appealing to the sense of fairness in you, try and see both sides of the coin, before explaining stuff to the "misguided", because it sometimes could be that you, yourself is the one who is truly misguided
@rshrox Not talking about Moses, he didn't exist, gospel writers, men like you and me.... I have seen both sides of the coin, just that my side has proof, logical common sense. If I am indeed misguided, once again, I would like you to explain where the Dinosaurs came from.. even after numerous times of asking, you still haven't been able to explain them. I to was a 'born again Christian', young foolish, looking for something in my life (billy graham) but then I found myself/science/common sense.
@easy1355 about dinosaurs, i can't explain them because i have not gone into an in depth study of it, like i keep repeating myself, the bible is the will of god for mankind, and not some book of answers for every whim and fancy any genius like you has, but i did provide you with some info on some christians who have gone into an in depth study of the matter, but that aside, i still find the proof of god existence within the bible, divine knowledge, historical accuracy, jesus of nazereth
@rshrox here's a clue, you don't need to go into depth, the damn clever scientist's did it for you... watch, the How did the evolution of complex life on Earth begin? BBC programme, it's got facts and real life stuff, found with scientific methods, and not some nut jobs, stating that the Bible is man's 'life manual'
Out of interest, am I right in thinking that those who do not hear or adhere to the word of god, is going to hell? see if you can answer that... would be a change..
@easy1355 if someone does hear the word, then yes he is lost, but if someone hears the word and does not follow it, it is his choice to go to hell, because the bible is clear about salvation, it is of god, meaning its either god or hell, your choice, now about someone being lost, god in his wisdom has sent the gospel to be preached, almost anyone who has access to the internet has no excuse of not knowing about god and his word
@easy1355 we are talking in the context of today right? or did i misunderstand your appealing to science to prove your grandfather was an ape, nevertheless i'll answer, the tribes in the amazon have had missionaries who have been there to preach the gospel, god is just in that, if anyone who is truly seeking him, he will send aid to that particular person and allow him the opportunity to be saved, 2 peter 3:9, do refer to this if you are confused because of my "interpretation"
@rshrox Ah, I see where you going wrong here.. I can assure you my grandfather was not an ape.. rest...
Nope, missionaries could not have possibly got to all parts of the world, very naive of you, in-fact just to educate you, the UN believes there to be 67 UN-contacted tribes in Brazil alone.. are they all going to hell?
And while we are here, are you saying that any tribe who had not heard the word of god, will be going to hell??
And also, answer the question, are jews/muslims going to hell?
@easy1355 you can choose to believe these "damn clever" scientists or you can choose to believe the word of god, i do not condemn your choice, somehow the power of choice is a vindicator or a condemner of oneself, so go ahead and believe what you want to believe, and ignore what you want to ignore, i hope you have a good day
@rshrox I do, as they are full of fact's not badly made up fiction, you forget, science brought us medicines which no doubt you take, they brought Air Travel (never flown?) they enabled space flight and landing on the moon.. and these are the same people who found fossil's millions of years old, which completely disproves the sky daddy theory.
To help you with the question of the Dinosaurs, see I am good, fall back on the age old get out of jail free card 'god works in mysterious ways'
@easy1355 that is what you think friend, i think you should look at all the theories before you make judgment, as for your dino theory, you presume to know that it disproves god, but i say, look at the evidences found in scripture, it is your choice to go over, if you don't and still want to believe in your ape ancestors, be my guest
@rshrox It 100% disproves god.. sorry, I know it's hard to hear... unless anyone can come up with the answer why they roamed the earth, prior to God creating it.... hang on... did god have a Tardis? lol
As someone who had to endure endless bible classes, there is only interpretation, and absolutely no evidence at all.. in any of the scriptures, aside from time related obvious teachings, known at the time..
I do believe in the Ape ancestors theory as it's true, and proven...
@rshrox where is my basis for good, well, just a start.. To be kind and help everyone you meet, to treat those in the same way you expect to be treated yourself, and explain to the misguided the error of their ways. See, and that's just a start.... perhaps kindness is not a virtue of animal kind?? oh, sorry it is.
Fossil record? get yourself down the the London Natural History Museum, let's see what excuses you can find there, so again, thanks for reminding me, where did the dino's come from?
@easy1355 i haven't been down to the natural history museum, maybe when i have the opportunity, i might go and have a look see, but you sense of good is only skin deep, what happens when things go to plan in your merry land? then what happens to your sense of what is good? you can relegate your kind of "goodness" to that of the animal kind because that what it is, it has no sense of basis, it changes just as the weather changes
@rshrox Sense of basis? what does that actually mean? your text makes no sense, your going over the same thing over and over again.. and non of it makes sense, I suspect however, I have already answered your question. But, just in case, really briefly, my basis for good, is anything I believe to be good, Simple, I don't have to look through a fake book to 'see if something is right . I know how that concept is strange for you, but there a lot of people who don't need a book to be a good person
@easy1355 what you believe to be good, can change and therefore is not the absolute good, so what hitler thought was right, is right? if you were talking about the gospel writers, then you would have no basis for you claims that a guilty adulterer should be killed, it was the consensus of the jews at that time because of their lack of knowledge of the scripture, so i dont see you point about me as a christian saying that is a good thing to murder in the name of religion.
@rshrox You have to be the most brain washed person I have ever spoken to, but I can see where your going wrong.. you see, it doesn't have to be that complicated, so here's a lesson, Hitler was not good, because HE WAS A MASS MURDERER AND PLUNGED EUROPE INTO WAR WHICH KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT LIVES.
Sometimes you have to use capitals.. lol
And, phew, as you said it, and it's interpreted as murder in the bible, I will ask you again, would you murder if the bible told you so?
@easy1355 that's not in the bible so its a bad supposition, about doing research on dinosaurs does need a looking at, as the account in genesis does talk about large sea creatures, as well as the book of job which talks about leviathan and behemoth, for me its not such of an issue, that dinosaurs are there, john 1:3 says it quite well, my friend you don't see the point, if you say you are good, just like hitler thought himself to be good, there is no difference, you need a consistent standard
@rshrox Not a bad supposition at all, to your research, pretty much says what I was trying to tell you, it doesn't mention Dinosaurs, I did really laugh when I also saw some other bible basher stating larger animals, mentioned... oh you don't' mean an Elephant do you? or a Zebra or, let's stop there shall we
Nope, you still haven't adequately answered the question.. but don't worry, not even your so called Scholars in the field can, which is why they conveniently skip it
@easy1355 it is, i could tell you the same thing, to grow up and man up to the fact that you cannot say you or anyone else is good because there is no standard to begin with, if you did some study of the biblical claims you would note that the hebrew in gen 1:21 and 24 is different, so zebra would not be there, like i said, you can ignore what the bible does say, and make up things different from what is does say
@rshrox You could tell, but I don't need to run to a book, to think about what to say next..
And you are so right.. your claim is.. 'and make up things different from what is does say' .. lol.. that's because you, you can interpret the bible anyway you want, you make up stories about paragraphs and versus... In-fact Scientist's believe the Zebra in various forms was around about 30000 years ago.. just wondering, how old is the bible?
@easy1355 again i don't get what you mean by me interpreting the scripture, how do you interpret something as love thy neighbour as thyself? or feed thy enemy? i'm in a real dilemma here, are these my interpretations of the scriptures or just a direct command to the christian?
@rshrox You do realise, that the scriptures were not wrote in English? interpretation 1, you do realise there is a difference between the old and new testaments (think they got a bit confused the first time) interpretation 2 - then it got into the hands of 'interpretors' YOU..
nevertheless, it proves my point, Love they neighbour.. no shit, I knew that without the book, but, many interpret the following: whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death(Exodus 21:15)
@easy1355 friend i do not need to interpret it, if you are concerned about the language, go back and refer to the original language, exodus was when god led his people out of bondage, and yes it was the law at that time, if a child were to strikes his father or mother, god would have dealt with it, in exodus also you read of people bursting into flames, it was what happened then, today, we are under the new covenant, that christ established, it proves my point, you don't interpret it
@rshrox Bursting into flames?oh my god, you have no idea how much I am laughing
But, your not going to get away with it, it's quite clear 'whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death'
So, do you agree?there are many more.. your running scared? your now cherry-picking the versus you want? do you agree?
or maybe more in line with the thread: If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
@easy1355 laugh all you want, but what does the chapter say in leviticus 20? my friend this is was in the old covenant, the things that israel had to follow, but under the new covenant, there is place for repentance, so you can go on harping on verses that are no longer in effect under the new covenant, you, are quoting from a guy whom you say didn't even exist, why don't you stick with those hill billy gospel writers whom you at least say existed
@rshrox it's not hard to laugh at misguided fools..
So, the Old Covenant, and new one, what does that actually mean..
I mean, forgive me if am wrong, I think you have highlighted more of your confusion as In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.
And verses that are no longer in effect? explain that..
@easy1355 you just take it for command, you say you knew it without the book, but your culture that is your guide for your ethics has been molded by such belief, and it is because of the bible that you can so conceitedly say, i knew all this on my own, if you want to think so, then go ahead, pride goes before the fall, interpret that friend.
Pride, funny you mention that, as your entire life is following.. no pride in that I am afraid..
Anyway, you almost made me forget..
Are Jews/Muslims going to hell? it's a really simple question, one, if you really had faith in what you believe could answer with the use of a 'yes' or 'no'
And you still don't get it.. your code of ethics dates back to a time when they knew no better... from a book, that has been dis-proven, and most of which you ignore
@easy1355 yes, no pride in following the scriptures, as it is denying oneself and accept christ as your lord and savior, pride is in saying, i'm good on my own terms, and what i say is right, didn't i answer the question, if one is truly seeking god, he will come to the truth, if one is truly born a hindu, jew or muslim, and he does not seek out god, he is lost for sure, we all have that obligation to seek for god, whether or not we choose to obey him, is our choice and right
@easy1355 like i said, its always someone else who is confused to you, or someone else who's ignorant to you, in your "good" world this isn't pride, i've already answered your questions, so i'm going to end this, you can go ahead and think what you want to think, i just hope that in your search for the truth, you leave aside your bias and read the scriptures for yourself, and to all the bible to give a defense of itself. take care friend.
@rshrox Of course your going to end this... In summary, you were unable to answer any of the questions I asked, You are confused about the time frame of the bible, you interpret some of the bible and leave the rest, you follow the parts of the bible you want and conveniently ignore the rest.
The Questions were simple, as for defence, the bible shoots itself in the book at every turn.
However, you sound like a good person, enjoy your day, I hope you find what your looking for.
This hymn is about helpless and help before death. I have heard many versions, but Elton sings it wonderfully, with such a feeling as if Henry Lyte himself could sing it. It s very a touching version. And the arrangement is great. It seems an old song and new song at the same time
This hymn is a prayer for God to remain present with the( speaker)throughout life, through trials,& through death.The first verse depicts such poignancy..
I listen to this beautiful heartfelt hymn for comfort ..I'm sad missing my dad .
It carries bittersweet memories.. Dad loved singing many a favorite hymns
Such joyful thoughts,sharing a hymn book, singing together each sunday
Growing up & when I visited dad we sang this .I've wept often since that
God Bless the people in New York when they were attacked, God Bless the children being bombed in Iraq, God Bless the Junkie with the monkey on his back. God Bless everybody under the sun!
420dilbert420 4 days ago
elton is rich, I am poor, with this sog we have union, and in anyway that this song is sung it means the same, god bless elton, god bless me and god bless the world, because we need it!
strongtheme 3 weeks ago
Good grief!!!!! Strange he didn't seem to know (unlike his partner) any of the hymns at the Royal Wedding - bad show for a musician.
Insperato62 3 weeks ago
Can't make up his mind whether it's a-bide with me or A-Bide with me, it's a bit too melodramatic and actually a bit emotionless for me.
MACHAWK123 1 month ago
@MACHAWK123 Kind greetings machawk123. Yours is a good post, thoughtful. Honest. The reason it appears too melodramatic is simply due to humbleness, humbleness that is born within the limits of each of as individuals, some of us are more natural, and for some of us, it takes courage and humility. So he's doing the best that he is able - at being humble before God. Trust me kind friend, at a minimum, it's sincere, doing his best. I cal it very brave, takes some guts - God likes.
setoncidolem73 1 day ago
lovely. kolapo faluyi.
12345675241 1 month ago
I'm sorry but what the actual fuck?! Normally I love this song but Sir Elton has ruined it here IMO.
Xbox360Rich 1 month ago
Prefer the original tbh.
ImTyla123 2 months ago
Simply enjoy this beautiful and lovely song. The author dies just three weeks after compose it, was sick of tuberculosis...After it this song is used for funerals, sadness, and other limit situations. As hope words to world. A fact that called my atention was that he's not praying for him health, he is accepted the god will and all that he want is "Please Don't leave me alone". A perfect resume of any Christian "Don't matter what happens please lord stay whit me"
Mred2397 2 months ago
Look guys. Around the World all human knowledge never pass the 3% of the totall od world, and i'm talking about just our planet. Ouside in space our level of knowledge is very very limit (if not is null). Pretend know all the answer of the life distract us from the great success, the big miracle, the most lmportant love test ever...The sacrifice of our lord Jesuschrist for save all humanity from hell, and the big temptemter. Trying to find an answer about dinosaurs not make you more save
Mred2397 2 months ago
I love Elton!
isa18575 3 months ago
aika voimakas ääni tykkään elton jonista
kiminki 3 months ago
Thanks
kiminki 4 months ago
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blindpea 4 months ago
Beautifully sung. What a great hymn.
Jesus Christ is LORD..... The author and finisher of our faith. (Heb.12 verse 2 )
I praise His name.
livingintsuchiura 5 months ago
This is not about sexual orientation.. he sang it. We can only hope hr believes what he sings.
ryanmd1 5 months ago
@ryanmd1 I hope he comes to the fear of the lord
darwill1000 3 months ago
@ryanmd1 Agreed, very well said.
Padfoot74 3 months ago
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL? SEE THE PERSON NOT THE SEXUALLITY OF THE MAN. HE DOES A LOT FOR CHARITY AND I CAN ASURE YOU THERE ARE LOTS OF BAD HETEROSEXUAL PEOPLE WHO DO A LOT WORSE THAN HIM OUT THERE. IM A FEMALE MUSIC TEACHER IN My FIFTIES, i AM A VERY MUSICAL PERSON , AND I THINK HEV SINGS THIS BEAUTIFULLY. I WAS VERY TOUCHED BY IT. THE FACT THAT HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL DIDNT EVEN ENTER MY MIND. WELL DONE ELTON, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!
ilovecats581 5 months ago
He sounds like a fuzzy bear trapped in a cheese-grater. He's ruined this beautiful song. And what's with the fake American accent??!!
caggles1 5 months ago
Amazing video.
Even more amazing is who was singing it.
Lets hope that the future generations people can move on, live with peace and not discriminate against others who are only just a little bit different to ourselves.
TBoneTony 5 months ago
Wow, how did I know that Elton John singing Abide With Me would create a ridiculous argument about homosexuality vs Christianity? That was more than predictable. I feel so sorry for you all, because you have no idea what's really goin' on ...
MPNYPDFBI 6 months ago
@MPNYPDFBI BEST COMMENT EVER! I was shocked when I saw this whole thing. I mean, when I saw the video I thought, "I like Elton John and I like "'Abide with me". This will be nice." Apparently that was not what other people thought.
billottte 5 months ago
@AVGuy2981 But the concept of God and Christ comes from the Bible and the Bible condemns homosexuality in several places so...... honestly (no malice), maybe you should consider another faith, because your beliefs and the foundation of Christianity are not consistent...
CREATESTUDIOS88 6 months ago
@CREATESTUDIOS88 consider another faith??? let them in and let the Holy Spirit deal with their sexuality...as they grow in the Lord, they will surely want Christ as their treasure and not some sexual relationship. they are no worse then a church gossip. sin is sin...we all must row in the Lord some of us start from very far. pray for your gay brethren.
zebb1111 5 months ago
If only the righteous can sing a holy song, such as this beautiful hymn, then no one on earth has earned the right to do so, for the Bible says that all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.
We sing this song because of the Grace of God given to us through Jesus Christ.
None of us are worthy to sing this hiymn but by the Grace of God.
I don't condone homosexuality but neither do I condemn them. And I'm no better than those who do practice such acts.
MrReubenc 6 months ago
@MrReubenc i fully agree with you, that it is not we who are able to condemn one another, for there is but one righteous judge, but that being said, the bible is very clear about how we should live our lives, ever since the beginning, gen 2: 24, god never intended for a man to be intimate with another man, and this reasoning is also brought forth into the new testament, for christ will not n cannot abide in us while we are with sin isa 59: 1-2. john 14: 23-24, 15: 10. 2 pet 3: 9, tc n god bless
rshrox 6 months ago 2
If only the righteous can sing a holy song, such as this beautiful hymn, then no one on earth has earned the right to do so, for the Bible says that all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.
We sing this song because of the Grace of God given to us through Jesus Christ.
None of us are worthy to sing this hiymn but by the Grace of God.
I don't condone homosexuality but neither do I condemn them. And I'm no better than who do do practice such acts.
MrReubenc 6 months ago
1 Peter 3:12
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
sapphireblue000 6 months ago
How dare you sing this holy song you sinner. You think abide with me is a cry to your fellow man??? well your fellow man loves and cherishes women and not other men, you anti bible anti christian man loving gay twat.
Sorry to all you gays but he is such a fucking sinner.
mickkey7 6 months ago
@mickkey7 LOL
blindpea 4 months ago
I totally love this song sung "Abide With Me" by Elton John, the song and the singer. It is very strong in spirit. It is worshipful. His voice and inflections are powerful.
Judalon1 7 months ago
Isn't this just dreadful?! I don't know how the Band kept their faces straight. Oh, and I don't see George Martin rushing to put him in the studio, but I do see him cringing in the audience!
waldenhouse 7 months ago
@AVGuy2981 It's one thing to have a certain condition, like a hormone balance that causes homosexuality, but there is a serious problem with pushing sexual stuff on young children. That's what's happening in Europe and NA and it's NOT ok! There is absolutely no way in hell that God approves of this political agenda!
Soothfish 7 months ago
Elton John may be a talented musician, but some things are better left un-jazzed up.
And this beautiful hymn is one of them.
tolgug 8 months ago 5
@AVGuy2981
your so right if there is a god he / she gave this man his gift to inspire the people
tonybarclay1 8 months ago
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Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
northernlightslady 8 months ago
i'm glad most of the comments on this particular page are progressive. Fuck you hateful few though. If there is a hell you'll burn in it. Get out of little town USA and experience the world and reality. You sound like the people from westboro baptist church. remember children, god hates fags. thank god for dead soldiers. Obviously some people are still living in a medieval realm.
iamafuckingidiot 9 months ago
Never mind the rights or wrongs of homosexuality - what a ghastly rendition of a lovely hymn!
RhiannonJones1 9 months ago
@RhiannonJones1 i agree. i was already crying hearing king choir singing the original version until i hear this version i thought he desecrated the music.
iflexs 9 months ago
@AVGuy2981 well even that isnt my thing . yours or his. BUT it is irrelevant. you are, you, and i am i. bible tells us we all ALL made in teh image of GOD
yamahonkawazuki 9 months ago
We are all sinners. We have all fallen. Jesus saved us all. Elton John is gay, but you know what? We're as filthy as rags. In the Bible, rags was in the Greek for used 'tampons.' That's what God sees in us, that we are filthy and unworthy until Jesus died for our past, present and future sins.
yehzhaofeng 9 months ago
Some of these comments show why I'm no longer a Christian.
We are as the Creator made us. Let us try to be good compassionate people and forget the rest.
kitabwalli 9 months ago
This man should be arrested and charged with murdering a very fanoius and well-loved hymn. Why doesn;t this ageing talentless queen stick to pop rock - not that he was very good at that
trackieben 9 months ago
Sorry Elton John a famous and gifted singer has not displayed much emotions in the singing of this famous sacred hymn.The singing of this hymn generates the great hope we have in Jesus whose resurrection and triumph over death gives us the Peace of what we can expect when are sojourn on this earth is coming closer to it's mortal end, though not an eternal end,There is assurance in the saving power of the blood of Jesus which cleanses us of our sins and paves the way to eternal life!
Elton John
jobdav 9 months ago
Iam born to Hindu parents, I remember singing this song when I was in my kindergargen class, still remember this song & hymns. great job the christian community does to the world through charity, we love mother Theresa who lived in our country, in calcutta.
MrKuppanarulmozhi 9 months ago
i can't believe how quick christians spit fire at a gay man for singing a Christian song. it's embarassing. many Christian male power-singers popular today are gay. elton has accepted God into his heart. this doesn't make him perfect. no human is perfect. it DOES mean that he stands before God's judgement and not the judgement of petty Christian bible thumpers who've never UNDERSTOOD The Word. some times i think Christians forgive murder sooner than they'll forgive homosexuality. insecurity?
flobtheblob 9 months ago
@flobtheblob true christians do not judge.most christians who truely understand the word will be accepting for he whom judges will be judged.let he who is without sin cast the first stone.god loves the sinner,but hates the sin
missatomickitten 9 months ago
Who gives a toss about whether this guy is gay, black , white, etc. etc. He just murders this well loved and very emotional hymn
trackieben 9 months ago
Horrible!! no feeling in this song!!
hooootstuff 9 months ago
I'm a Christian and I don't think elton John should be publicly promoting homosexual. If he's caught up the sins of Sodom and Gommorrah, who am I to judge him but to publicly criticise people who're against gay is abhorent. I for one will not accept homosexualilty. There's an order in the universe and we must follow the order to find the course of our existence. There's a reason for night and day, darkness and light, MAN & WOMAN period!
Edisana 9 months ago
Elton John is a great musician. This is a beautiful song. Why do Christians have to fuck everything up? Who cares who he loves, just enjoy the song.
moloko5 10 months ago
As a Christian I must say that though the embracing of homosexual desires is a sin, so is the hetero lusting after women in the heart. Both are equally as wrong and need equal forgiveness. I don't know Elton's heart. That's God's job. I do know that if a person continues in sinfull ways without repentence faith will wither and die. God's will be done.
spectersparten 10 months ago
I couldn't care less that he's gay, that is his own business. Elton John has a musical gift from God, that is what I care about. I had the privilege of seeing him live in concert, and he was very polite and gentlemanly. He stood up to take a humble bow after every single song he performed. I've never ever seen any other musician do that.
the1texasmccoy 10 months ago
I've never heard Elton John do any gospel music before, this is very cool :)
the1texasmccoy 10 months ago
The guy shown after sting is the guy from Walking Dead, neat.
ExorcismIn86 10 months ago
we need to ask the question "what wold Jesus do?" 1st before you do or say anything! And truly what would Jesus do? Then do accordingly, remember Jesus calls ALL sinners to come to Him. Pray for Elton instead saying negative things because after all that is what Jesus would do, correct? How many of YOU have prayed & fasted for Elton to be saved? I think we need to do as Jesus would do or are we so heavenly minded that we are no earthly good? Get a burden for the lost!
IggyPC 10 months ago
@IggyPC That's it, you said it all. Jesus died for him too, and listening to this makes me understand that we need Elton John in heaven too. He is gifted!!! We need to learn how to love people more and know what happens to them if they die without our God. Let's LOVE, not judge. Let God work personally with his sexuality, it's not us who have to do this. I pray Elton will be in heaven with us one day singing praises to out wonderful God. <3 from Brazil!!!
siracvsanv 10 months ago
in god we trust so who says gay is not tolerated
multi1606 10 months ago
Where there is no repentance, there is no salvation.
Sweeper1964 10 months ago
@AVGuy2981 It says more that that, it says that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. and I would to highlight the word "SINNERS" straight, and bent. And if we say that we have not sinned, then the truth is not in us, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Straight or Bent we need to repent of our sin in order to be saved.
togglesblock 11 months ago
OK badbav33 What dont you understand? clearly you are not a Bible student.. The Bible says that we are all dead in trespasses and sin, that includes Elton, that being the case, Elton like us all, has to repent of his sin, and own Jesus as his saviour, in ord to be saved. Elton cannot sing his way into heaven, because Jesus said, I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME. Do you get it?
togglesblock 11 months ago
A disgusting, coarse, and common performance, which BTW has nothing to do with his personal life.... completely disrespectful to everything the song stands for
jonesphillip25 11 months ago
Beautiful song - we sing it in church. Elton did a very nice rendition of the song.
gloyahoo 1 year ago
This song was a strength for me.....after my husband left this earth.last year.. I love Elton.s voice! When I was young...his song "Your Song"..pulled me out of a deep depression and put my feet back on a stable path. The kindness of the words and the music and his voice were shining through my gloom and pointing me" to the skies"'He has a wonderful soul and a kind spirit.What life he leads is entirely his and he is entitiled to immense respect for the love he's given to us all through his songs
reachhigh10 1 year ago
gr8 version.. there is NO SKY GOD! get over it u religious maniacs!
kavallan 1 year ago
People dont go to hell because they are homosexuals, or rapist, or adulterers, they go to hell because they are "UNREPENTANT SINNERS" If Elton is to be saved, it will not be by singing hymns, but by humbling himself before God and asking forgiveness for his sin, and owning Jesus as his saviour. Theres no other way.
togglesblock 1 year ago 2
@togglesblock Your views do not conform with the Lord and saviour I know in my heart, which is why I must disagree with your description of Sin.
Sin is to do wrong to someone, to steal, murder, have evil thoughts of someone, to do something that in your heart you know is wrong. Jesus taught us many things, of great importance....did he forget to reinforce that rule, or was it added later by man to aid the new Christian religion to grow in numbers?
The Lord loves all who love and do not hate.
badbav33 11 months ago
@AVGuy2981 Well, If you will read your Bible you will see it plainly says that homosexually is an abomonation to God, And they will be condemned! And no, I am not this so called homophobic, I just know what the Bible says.
petterdiesel 1 year ago
@petterdiesel
My Bible says: Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
My Bible says: And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
My Bible says: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone.
My Bible says: My kingdom is not from this world.
Which means nothing less than: shut up and mind your own business.
Baccalaureus79 1 year ago 7
@Baccalaureus79 The Bible also says to Judge Righteously...you cannot just pick and choose which verses you agree with....we are not to judge hypocritically but righteously...
Albertanator 11 months ago
@Albertanator Brother, you are so right.
Baccalaureus79 11 months ago
@Baccalaureus79 your bible is pretty short.
and how do we know that elton hasnt decided to become a eunuch for the kingdom.
i was a divorced fornicator and gave that up to Christ and have been so much happier since.
judge shmudge, give Christ your whole life and be filled wholly with his spirit. let Christ into every room.
sexual sin is sin weather its strait or gay or whatever....i do not judge but i do have to warn of Gods judgement.
zebb1111 5 months ago
Baccalaureus79 5 months ago
@Baccalaureus79 youir not poor in spirit....you seem to know more than St-Paul.
Ephesians 1:3-11
if we've been blessed with the ability to BE Blameless, why would you deny the Holy Spirit access to your sexuality.....CHOICE.
zebb1111 5 months ago
@zebb1111 ... I don't know what St. Paul knew. I know that he was a guy of his time, and that he was a convertite. And convertites tend to be zealots. However, I don't feel blamed, nor did I have a choice. And I know that if there is a God, and if the Bible is right, Jesus loves me, too. And I don't need hypocrites and zealots to tell me that he doesn't. So go and mind your own business and keep your nose off other people's bedrooms.
Baccalaureus79 5 months ago
@Baccalaureus79 AMEN !!!
thenshekissedme 5 months ago
Homo/hetrosexuality fornication are equal sins(1Tim 1:9-10) its been made clear what sexs for, between whom and kind arrangement it should be done in?Jesus did not encourage his ppl to accept anyform of lifestlye but taught the way to salvation by exericing faith in him including moral codes, which forbids certain types of conducts eg.homosexuality.Living by Bible standards is also a lifestlye of choice which you can accept or reject.True Christians adhere to biblical views.No stone cast :)
blindpea 4 months ago
@blindpea There are 613 commandments in the OT. But breaking a commandment does not exclude you from Judaism. Atonement is offered to any Jew who observes Yom Kippur. Likewise, Christianity is based upon Jesus' teachings of love and forgiveness. That is atonement for any conflict in life. If you love, if you can forgive, if you can understand, you can be guilty of no sin, and no one around you can be guilty of any sin.
The concept of sin is for those who cannot understand that yet.
Karlzberg414 4 months ago
@Baccalaureus79 - If you believe you shouldn't judge, then stop judging @Petterdiesel. Scripture also says "twist not ye Scripture, lest you be like the devil"
blacklablovr 4 months ago
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@Baccalaureus79 does your bible also say Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God (1 cor 6:9,10)
rshrox 4 months ago
@Baccalaureus79 does it also say: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities (jude7,8)
rshrox 4 months ago
@Baccalaureus79 i believe when you say do not judge and you will not be judged, you are talking about matt 7:1, but with that in mind, jesus was talking about the measure of ones judgment, if one uses a biased measure, then that would be used to judge him in return, but the bible is clear about judgment, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (heb 9:27). one would one be saved if one repents of his sin, not by continuing in sin, and asking god to abide with him
rshrox 4 months ago
@rshrox Oh shut up, god doesn't exist, only in the minds of stupid people, that believe what they are told, in scriptures that was written by men, and a book that has been used to oppress millions
with thousands of religions, pick one,any one, they are all as unbelievable as the other
Science has proven that we are descended from apes, not some big sky daddy, in seven days... And religious nuts still haven't explained there the dinosaurs came from
7 days? he can come fix and my conservatory
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 i see that you still retain your ape like nature in that you don't even know how to speak respectfully, but how can one expect such a thing from whose great great great grand dad was an ape? but anyhow, try looking up a few debates here on youtube about the dawkins theory, and the theory of natural selection and all the other theories you smart simian-sapiens try to come up with. how the book is used is the fault of fallible man, not the fault of infallible God.
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox See, you disillusioned bible basher's make the same mistake time and time again..
I can't be respectful to stupid people, who have 'faith' in a false entity, as I don't respect people who are void of logic or thought. I notice, you didn't answer the question, where did the Dinosaurs come from? Is this one of those moments where the greatest 'get out of jail free' card comes in handy... God works in mysterious ways?
As for Reading... Er, no, this is what has lead you waste your life
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 it is astonishing to see someone who keeps calling another "stupid" while he shares the same burden of proof that the one who is a believer in god has. this is the pride we find in foolishness, i will not try to change your mind, go ahead, think all those who believe in god to be the "stupid" ones, as the bible reminds us, Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. matt 7:6
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox See, your quoting passages from that badly made up, piece of rubbish called the Bible.. No potential for rational thought, personal responsibility.....
Science my friend, as they say, 'the truth will set you free'
Still no reference to this pre-historic question, probably because the Dinosaurs were before 'god'? Or rather than that written rubbish. God! I may have found the answer.....
I almost feel like saying 'bless'
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 well if dinosaurs are your reason for not believing in god, then so be it, the bible is not here to tell us everything about this world, as it will pass away, but is the will of god for man, and if you do not look for the evidence within the bible and what it does prove, then it is your loss, you talk about rationality and personal responsibility while you, yourself ask something irrational of the bible.
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox LOL.... your post's get funnier and more telling.
Firstly, you haven't been able to answer the question.. and oh my god.... you have just admitted that the Bible doesn't tell us everything about this work.... Wow, in which case, it probably could be re-written to include homosexuality as a good thing?? Just wondering, I mean if it doesn't tell everything.. oops, in fact it tells us nothing.
I have asked nothing of this useless, man made rubbish, written by man and followed by fools.
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 how else do i put this, the bible doesn't tell us everything we want to know about this world, as it is not a book of answers, but it is a book that shows man the way of salvation, and that includes how man should live his life, it does not however tell us everything that we may have questions about, like your question, dinosaurs, that has no bearing on how one should live once life, the bible gives us enough reason to believe in it, but if you choose to ignore it, its your choice
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox I have never heard so my rubbish, did this book not go into depth about how the World was made? oh, yes it did, It's time Frames are all wrong, Bashers cherry pick what they want
Tell me, does the Bible say this:
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, that is, with the wife of a fellow countryman, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death
Would you comply?
I found the reference to slaves interesting, am I allowed a slave?. again, the Dinosaur question?
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 yes the bible did go into how the world was created, and if you read the account, you will find that everything procreates after its own kind, no monkey to man transition, and if you are going to pull passages out of context then you can say anything about the bible, when christ came, the old covenant was nailed to the cross, slaves, try reading the passages again, and you'd find that it actually means servant, one that serves the master for wage, modern day, employer and employee
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox Yes, as I said, a work of fiction... and a book that can be interpreted in MANY ways.. thank you for proving my point in such an eloquent way.
Servant means slaves, or does it mean servant, oh, let's just decide on this day and in 'this' generation what this means.. Although, you do know there were slaves in 'those' days, oh and in many cases owned by 'christians' ? See, your learning. No thanks required
Sorry, for only providing hard to argue with facts.. try it, it's liberating...
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 look at your gripe with the bible, you have not even asked anything of the bible and yet you condemn it to be rubbish, and you keep going to your dinosaur question to justify whatever you do in your life, "there is no god, so what the hell, lets do anything we want", and the bible condemns such conceitedness, and yes i understand, its a problem for many who want to continue in that way, its truly a sad thing. i hope one day, you take the time to read the bible, it may change your life.
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox Oh, don't worry, I have many more hilarious quotes from this work of fiction
You have answered no questions I have asked, you are a clever politician, skirting around the issues.. Don't worry, I was far to bright for you to let you get away with it
You also make YET ANOTHER, glaring error (let me help you)
"there is no god, so what the hell, lets do anything we want"
Yes, let's go to work, work hard, pay our taxes and be good to people and society, and I didn't even need a book.
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 glaring error? i think not, what is definitive is what i'm talking about, even a dog would know not to bite its master who feeds it, be good to people and society, very noble of you, but when the question comes about is it right if father sleeps with daughter, brother sleeps with brother,then begs the question, what is wrong, if both parties are over the legal age and are willing partners? your sense of justice only works on the surface my friend, in your world, there are no absolutes
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox That's because a dog works on instinct and it's next food source (a very bad example)... not free thinking people... Did you get the Species mixed up?
Are, and again, you fall into your own trap.. No helping some people.
is it right if father sleeps with daughter, brother sleeps with brother,then begs the question, what is wrong, if both parties are over the legal age and are willing partners?
You see this is a legal question, not a Christian one. But I will reply below
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 Let's deal with your interesting question,
is it right if father sleeps with daughter, brother sleeps with brother,then begs the question, what is wrong, if both parties are over the legal age and are willing partners?
Well, firstly it happens, if both parties are willing, well then that falls under the jurisdiction of local laws.
Personally, if it was happening next door and both were happy, who cares. Just because it's not 'my way' I wouldn't criticise or condemn.
Think!
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 that is the whole point, there is no sense of morality that you can impose, because your evolution process does not give you such values, whose to say what hitler did was wrong, or what mother teresa did was right? you false sense of honour, i take the higher ground because i don't criticise and i don't condemn. keep your moral "high ground" and go on living the way you want to, in your false sense of goodness, because it changes just as the weather changes
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox Morality is an individual right
I chose the path that means than I can keep my dignity, my sense of individual goodness and pride
I would never be influenced by false prophecy, a book, a doctrine, I have never felt the need to follow
I have always wondered about those tribes who have never heard the word of this false god, do they go to hell, or is there an interpretation, after all, if you don't follow the word of god, you go to that other false belief,Hell.
LOL. its been funny.
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 yea, but how is it a product of your evolution? morality is an individual right, so can it differ from one individual to another? you keep saying its a false book, and all that, but you cannot disprove it either, that's the burden of proof that the atheist has to bear, you run behind the dinosaur issue to prove your claims, but disregard the historical proof of the man, jesus of nazereth, truly it has been funny, choose what you like, and disregard the rest
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox If you are going to ask questions, make them good ones, your very lucky I choose to answer, given you have not been able answer any of mine.. I will continue to remind you,. don't you worry
The book has already been disproved, it's time scales, the fact it says nothing about the Dino's (see got it in again) I mean I would have thought the description of how the world was made, would disprove the existence of any Pre-Historic animals, oh, hang on, they exist.
And just common sense.
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 about your scenario, if one does not accept christ, he is lost, that is why as christians we need to go to as many people to spread the word, one who is truly seeking the will of god shall find it, that is the promise the bible gives, so if you are truly seeking god, you will find him, atheism claims christiantity to be a dictatorship by god, "follow me or die in hell" thing, but they themselves do not realise that the choice is either god or hell, the choice is theirs to make,freewill
rshrox 3 months ago
@easy1355 free thinking? i doubt it, if you are derived from apes, then we are about by certain rules, but the fact that we indeed have free will makes us different from animals, so yes, you begin to see the difference, about it being a legal question, who makes something legal or illegal? it is a moral question, which is what the bible addresses
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox Its called evolution my friend, proven without doubt by science, our ability to make these decisions for ourselves, only proves that we evolved from apes,Sorry about that
It's a moral question, because 'you' choose it to be so, not because what you believe is morally wrong is wrong. your life is dictated to by a book, very sad
The Bible, would have people killed (or is that an interpretation?)
Either way, you contradicted every thing you have said. but don't worry, I was expecting it.
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 how is it that i contradicted myself? i can say the same, you make it a legal question when it is a moral one, its not consistent, you do not use the same measure between this simple debate, indeed my life is governed by the bible, which i believe it to be the word of god, your theory about evolving from apes being the explanation for free will is something new, i don't think even dawkins claimed such a thing, but that's your "science" for you
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox No, you see I am able to think on two levels, you see, Morality and Faith often contradict, and sometimes conflict.. in many cases in-fact.
Dawkins? Free will, you really must grow up. As I continue to explain, Evolution is in no doubt, our abilities are based our brain function, which differs from animals, through evolution, in-fact, it goes further to prove the non-existence of god.. So, I found it amusing you asked
As for your misguided faith, I am sorry, I can't help you with that
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 who's morality? and who's faith? if your morality is compared to that of mine then yes, it would contradict, but that just it, there is no absolutes for you, no right and no wrong, you would classify free will to be an ability? and you would classify your morality as an ability also? so what ever one does is a product of his/ her evolution? so murderers are more or less evolved that you or i because they something in murder that you or i may not, (con't)
rshrox 3 months ago
@rshrox You poor misguided fool. Who's Morality and who's faith.. I am afraid to say, I didn't need a book to tell me I should be a good neighbour or care for other's, that murder is wrong, and blindly following a faith is stupid, I am just too intelligent for that,
Free will, is an ability, but where you go wrong here, is that all animals have free will, most follow their instincts, where we lost ours with evolution. As for murder part of your question, what are you going on about.
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 animals have free will? but somehow you don't see them killing because of greed, killing for pleasure, or anything of that sort, so if they had free will without instinct they would be just like us, interesting. as for me being a fool according to you, well its alright, i'll take that, its usually the brightest minds around who go around calling themselves the smartest, truly, i'm in awe of your genius
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox Indeed, you are correct, I am bright... remain in awe...
As to your badly written, 'points' 'questions' (I don't think your ever to sure)
I see animals as instinctual, they hunt for food, and in some cases have fun with their prey (like the killer whales) so, I have the ability to see animals on two levels, lead initially by instinct, and and free will.. i.e. my dog hates Pedigree chum.
As for for the rest of your post, it can easily be ignored.
easy1355 2 months ago
@rshrox (con't) plus you said earlier, that you did not need a book to tell you to be good to society, where is your basis for good? or dont tell me, its an ability you acquired along the way, from being an ape to now being a man. i am amazed you think that evolution is in no question, you need to have an imagination to make up the rest of your "fossil record" to support such claims, but like i say again, if you want to believe it, go ahead, it is your entire right to believe in it, friend
rshrox 3 months ago
Respond to this video... Indeed, it was passed down through our genes, and the funny thing about that sentence, is the implication, to have faith, you need a book.. And, yet I am just as good as 'the sheep'
As for the fossil statement, you still haven't answered my question, glad I remembered? and again, would you murder as is instructed by the bible? ah, you couldn't answer that either could you
It is indeed my right, to believe in the truth, and yours to 'follow' without question
easy1355 3 months ago
@easy1355 well under the new covenant, the old was nailed to the cross, so no, the bible does not condone murder, if you are going to pull verses out of context then you could say anything about the bible, jesus goes as far to say that murder in the heart is sin, much more the act of killing someone. still no basis for your sense of goodness, again, what makes something truly right or truly wrong in your evolutionary world? assumptions again, just like the fossil record was assumed.
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox You bible basher, fall into your trap, when you say 'new covenant' now, I apologise if I have this incorrect, as with most of your post's, it's difficult to understand.
Are you talking and refferring to the 'old' and 'new' testaments? or just the interpretations... none the less you prove my point better than I did, the Bible is a book of interpretations, the reference to Murder almost certainly meant 'murder' as in the period the Bible was written, this was wide spread, cont
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 'just like the fossil record was assumed' meaning??, see, you find it difficult to account for the Dinosaurs, which were real, as this would contradict everything the bible states, even though its a book of ridiculous contradictions and inaccuracies. I mean, I don't remember when I went to bible studies in my childhood days, it saying it was Adam and Eve and million or so pet Dino's, do you?
You know, being good is easy, you don't need an instruction manual, maybe you do, worrying!
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 nice bible studies you went to when you were a kid, if you want answers to dinosaurs, go look it up online, like i said the bible's purpose is not to explain everything in this world but it is the will of god for mankind, so by you going on and on about it, here are some christians explaining dinosaurs, (1) you should correct your statement, being good according to yourself is easy, but by an unchanging standard, not so
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox go to google and search for, why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the bible
couldn't paste the web link directly, have a read, and then maybe who knows, you might have been sleeping during that class in your bible study when they were actually saying something about that burning question of yours
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox I did... only out of interest, and it all centred around, believers in 'the faith' in-fact, I was even going to suggest it for viewing for you... see, you can't say I am not helpful.
And no, nothing about Dinosaurs in bible studies, so, with your investigative skills (with the use of Google) what did you deduce.....
Weren't allowed to sleep in bible classes....
easy1355 2 months ago
@rshrox actually, yes it is, that is it's prime Directive, it states clearly how the world was made... and Dinosaurs didn't even have a paragraph.... So, again, if the bible is correct, and your sky daddy exists, where did the Dinosaurs come from...
It's a simple question.. surely there must be a help section in the bible entitled, 'help with difficult/impossible questions, asked by intelligent people'....
waiting....
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 interpretations? what have i interpreted for you in any of my posts? all i have done is said to take a verse in context, and murder found in the new testament, is murder in the heart, much more than murder literally, the old covenant was with the jewish people, but the new covenant is for all who receive christ, whether jew or gentile.
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox You interpreted what murder meant.. quite clearly, and then you talk about context... that is interpretation.
And the old and new testaments are just more proof, you can read and believe and interpret what you wish, if something doesn't fit in with your life, interpret it in your own way.... oh sorry, I meant 'take a verse in context'
Jew, Christian, Muslim,Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster ... all are ridiculous, and should give you a clue of how misguided/brainwashed you are.
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 i don't need to interpret the meaning of murder as you and i know what it is, but if you take verses out of context, if you have done any research paper about anything, you would know what i mean, its not interpreting the verse, but keeping the verse within the context of what it is try to state, but here it is again, you're idea of good and bad, justice and injustice, fair and unfair, it certainly is easy to stay "good" when the scales you use are tipped to one side
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox That's what I said, interpretation, exactly as I said it.. 'keeping' a text in context, if you never wrote the bible (an assumption on my part) means in the main, you HAD to have interpreted it, also the other big clue you should have seen, was that, it IS interpreted by many, I love the way you help me with my points.
The scales can only be tipped in my favour, if the action of goodness is kindness to all, I will be just as nice to a homosexual as heterosexual (you assumed I am gay?)
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 what you say shows that you have not read the scriptures, try reading a small portion matthew 5:21-22, i wonder what you would see in that passage, but anyways, about kindness to all, as a christian i am called to be kind to all, kind to the point to tell then the error of their ways, not to sweep something under the rug, a true friend, would tell you your faults, and wouldn't mind being the "bad" one to do so, so i dont see how kindness is tipping the scale in your favour
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox Oh... you mean, what I live by everyday, without help from a book, well done, you may be learning something.. and hey, there is my brilliance yet again, I was able to use my free will to follow my own path, strange in converges into the bible hey...oh no sorry, not strange as it was written by individuals, people, like you and me.
And, let's face, if god was real, well, he wouldn't have needed to use people, in caves to write a book.. lol
Your becoming more amusing.....
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 you talking about moses? or the gospel writers? just as you find me amusing, i'm having a good time myself, you talk about trying to explain things to the misguided when you, yourself are being fallacious in claiming that there is no god, so try appealing to the sense of fairness in you, try and see both sides of the coin, before explaining stuff to the "misguided", because it sometimes could be that you, yourself is the one who is truly misguided
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox Not talking about Moses, he didn't exist, gospel writers, men like you and me.... I have seen both sides of the coin, just that my side has proof, logical common sense. If I am indeed misguided, once again, I would like you to explain where the Dinosaurs came from.. even after numerous times of asking, you still haven't been able to explain them. I to was a 'born again Christian', young foolish, looking for something in my life (billy graham) but then I found myself/science/common sense.
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 about dinosaurs, i can't explain them because i have not gone into an in depth study of it, like i keep repeating myself, the bible is the will of god for mankind, and not some book of answers for every whim and fancy any genius like you has, but i did provide you with some info on some christians who have gone into an in depth study of the matter, but that aside, i still find the proof of god existence within the bible, divine knowledge, historical accuracy, jesus of nazereth
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox here's a clue, you don't need to go into depth, the damn clever scientist's did it for you... watch, the How did the evolution of complex life on Earth begin? BBC programme, it's got facts and real life stuff, found with scientific methods, and not some nut jobs, stating that the Bible is man's 'life manual'
Out of interest, am I right in thinking that those who do not hear or adhere to the word of god, is going to hell? see if you can answer that... would be a change..
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 if someone does hear the word, then yes he is lost, but if someone hears the word and does not follow it, it is his choice to go to hell, because the bible is clear about salvation, it is of god, meaning its either god or hell, your choice, now about someone being lost, god in his wisdom has sent the gospel to be preached, almost anyone who has access to the internet has no excuse of not knowing about god and his word
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox oh dear, I am going to have fun here.
So, there is no excuse, because of the internet.. you do realise the Internet never used to exist? or was there a get out clause then.
So, down to it.
In the Amazon, there are tribes, thousands, who have never heard about god, they have never come into contact with man.. so, are they going to hell?
And, interestingly, are you saying Muslims, Jews, Hindus are ALL going to hell? I would love you to answer this one.. but you will skip, as usual
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 we are talking in the context of today right? or did i misunderstand your appealing to science to prove your grandfather was an ape, nevertheless i'll answer, the tribes in the amazon have had missionaries who have been there to preach the gospel, god is just in that, if anyone who is truly seeking him, he will send aid to that particular person and allow him the opportunity to be saved, 2 peter 3:9, do refer to this if you are confused because of my "interpretation"
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox Ah, I see where you going wrong here.. I can assure you my grandfather was not an ape.. rest...
Nope, missionaries could not have possibly got to all parts of the world, very naive of you, in-fact just to educate you, the UN believes there to be 67 UN-contacted tribes in Brazil alone.. are they all going to hell?
And while we are here, are you saying that any tribe who had not heard the word of god, will be going to hell??
And also, answer the question, are jews/muslims going to hell?
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 you can choose to believe these "damn clever" scientists or you can choose to believe the word of god, i do not condemn your choice, somehow the power of choice is a vindicator or a condemner of oneself, so go ahead and believe what you want to believe, and ignore what you want to ignore, i hope you have a good day
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox I do, as they are full of fact's not badly made up fiction, you forget, science brought us medicines which no doubt you take, they brought Air Travel (never flown?) they enabled space flight and landing on the moon.. and these are the same people who found fossil's millions of years old, which completely disproves the sky daddy theory.
To help you with the question of the Dinosaurs, see I am good, fall back on the age old get out of jail free card 'god works in mysterious ways'
lol
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 that is what you think friend, i think you should look at all the theories before you make judgment, as for your dino theory, you presume to know that it disproves god, but i say, look at the evidences found in scripture, it is your choice to go over, if you don't and still want to believe in your ape ancestors, be my guest
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox It 100% disproves god.. sorry, I know it's hard to hear... unless anyone can come up with the answer why they roamed the earth, prior to God creating it.... hang on... did god have a Tardis? lol
As someone who had to endure endless bible classes, there is only interpretation, and absolutely no evidence at all.. in any of the scriptures, aside from time related obvious teachings, known at the time..
I do believe in the Ape ancestors theory as it's true, and proven...
easy1355 2 months ago
@rshrox where is my basis for good, well, just a start.. To be kind and help everyone you meet, to treat those in the same way you expect to be treated yourself, and explain to the misguided the error of their ways. See, and that's just a start.... perhaps kindness is not a virtue of animal kind?? oh, sorry it is.
Fossil record? get yourself down the the London Natural History Museum, let's see what excuses you can find there, so again, thanks for reminding me, where did the dino's come from?
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 i haven't been down to the natural history museum, maybe when i have the opportunity, i might go and have a look see, but you sense of good is only skin deep, what happens when things go to plan in your merry land? then what happens to your sense of what is good? you can relegate your kind of "goodness" to that of the animal kind because that what it is, it has no sense of basis, it changes just as the weather changes
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox Sense of basis? what does that actually mean? your text makes no sense, your going over the same thing over and over again.. and non of it makes sense, I suspect however, I have already answered your question. But, just in case, really briefly, my basis for good, is anything I believe to be good, Simple, I don't have to look through a fake book to 'see if something is right . I know how that concept is strange for you, but there a lot of people who don't need a book to be a good person
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 what you believe to be good, can change and therefore is not the absolute good, so what hitler thought was right, is right? if you were talking about the gospel writers, then you would have no basis for you claims that a guilty adulterer should be killed, it was the consensus of the jews at that time because of their lack of knowledge of the scripture, so i dont see you point about me as a christian saying that is a good thing to murder in the name of religion.
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox You have to be the most brain washed person I have ever spoken to, but I can see where your going wrong.. you see, it doesn't have to be that complicated, so here's a lesson, Hitler was not good, because HE WAS A MASS MURDERER AND PLUNGED EUROPE INTO WAR WHICH KILLED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT LIVES.
Sometimes you have to use capitals.. lol
And, phew, as you said it, and it's interpreted as murder in the bible, I will ask you again, would you murder if the bible told you so?
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 that's not in the bible so its a bad supposition, about doing research on dinosaurs does need a looking at, as the account in genesis does talk about large sea creatures, as well as the book of job which talks about leviathan and behemoth, for me its not such of an issue, that dinosaurs are there, john 1:3 says it quite well, my friend you don't see the point, if you say you are good, just like hitler thought himself to be good, there is no difference, you need a consistent standard
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox Not a bad supposition at all, to your research, pretty much says what I was trying to tell you, it doesn't mention Dinosaurs, I did really laugh when I also saw some other bible basher stating larger animals, mentioned... oh you don't' mean an Elephant do you? or a Zebra or, let's stop there shall we
Nope, you still haven't adequately answered the question.. but don't worry, not even your so called Scholars in the field can, which is why they conveniently skip it
As for Hitler, grow up
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 it is, i could tell you the same thing, to grow up and man up to the fact that you cannot say you or anyone else is good because there is no standard to begin with, if you did some study of the biblical claims you would note that the hebrew in gen 1:21 and 24 is different, so zebra would not be there, like i said, you can ignore what the bible does say, and make up things different from what is does say
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox You could tell, but I don't need to run to a book, to think about what to say next..
And you are so right.. your claim is.. 'and make up things different from what is does say' .. lol.. that's because you, you can interpret the bible anyway you want, you make up stories about paragraphs and versus... In-fact Scientist's believe the Zebra in various forms was around about 30000 years ago.. just wondering, how old is the bible?
I do ignore the works of fiction.
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 again i don't get what you mean by me interpreting the scripture, how do you interpret something as love thy neighbour as thyself? or feed thy enemy? i'm in a real dilemma here, are these my interpretations of the scriptures or just a direct command to the christian?
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox You do realise, that the scriptures were not wrote in English? interpretation 1, you do realise there is a difference between the old and new testaments (think they got a bit confused the first time) interpretation 2 - then it got into the hands of 'interpretors' YOU..
nevertheless, it proves my point, Love they neighbour.. no shit, I knew that without the book, but, many interpret the following: whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death(Exodus 21:15)
Explain please.
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 friend i do not need to interpret it, if you are concerned about the language, go back and refer to the original language, exodus was when god led his people out of bondage, and yes it was the law at that time, if a child were to strikes his father or mother, god would have dealt with it, in exodus also you read of people bursting into flames, it was what happened then, today, we are under the new covenant, that christ established, it proves my point, you don't interpret it
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox Bursting into flames?oh my god, you have no idea how much I am laughing
But, your not going to get away with it, it's quite clear 'whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death'
So, do you agree?there are many more.. your running scared? your now cherry-picking the versus you want? do you agree?
or maybe more in line with the thread: If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 laugh all you want, but what does the chapter say in leviticus 20? my friend this is was in the old covenant, the things that israel had to follow, but under the new covenant, there is place for repentance, so you can go on harping on verses that are no longer in effect under the new covenant, you, are quoting from a guy whom you say didn't even exist, why don't you stick with those hill billy gospel writers whom you at least say existed
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox it's not hard to laugh at misguided fools..
So, the Old Covenant, and new one, what does that actually mean..
I mean, forgive me if am wrong, I think you have highlighted more of your confusion as In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament.
And verses that are no longer in effect? explain that..
Come on, you have to do better
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 you just take it for command, you say you knew it without the book, but your culture that is your guide for your ethics has been molded by such belief, and it is because of the bible that you can so conceitedly say, i knew all this on my own, if you want to think so, then go ahead, pride goes before the fall, interpret that friend.
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox No, really must do better......
Pride, funny you mention that, as your entire life is following.. no pride in that I am afraid..
Anyway, you almost made me forget..
Are Jews/Muslims going to hell? it's a really simple question, one, if you really had faith in what you believe could answer with the use of a 'yes' or 'no'
And you still don't get it.. your code of ethics dates back to a time when they knew no better... from a book, that has been dis-proven, and most of which you ignore
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 yes, no pride in following the scriptures, as it is denying oneself and accept christ as your lord and savior, pride is in saying, i'm good on my own terms, and what i say is right, didn't i answer the question, if one is truly seeking god, he will come to the truth, if one is truly born a hindu, jew or muslim, and he does not seek out god, he is lost for sure, we all have that obligation to seek for god, whether or not we choose to obey him, is our choice and right
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox That was by far your most stupid post.... I will help your confusion..
Answer the questions
1 Are Jews/Muslims/Hindu's going hell? yes or no
2 Why were Dinosaurs on the earth prior to it's creation - a question you still haven't been able to answer
3 Those in the furthest reaches from 'civilisation' who have never heard the 'word of god' are they also going to
4 As in the bible, in many of the scriptures, Murder is called for, would you carry out that command?
Give it a go.
easy1355 2 months ago
@easy1355 like i said, its always someone else who is confused to you, or someone else who's ignorant to you, in your "good" world this isn't pride, i've already answered your questions, so i'm going to end this, you can go ahead and think what you want to think, i just hope that in your search for the truth, you leave aside your bias and read the scriptures for yourself, and to all the bible to give a defense of itself. take care friend.
rshrox 2 months ago
@rshrox Of course your going to end this... In summary, you were unable to answer any of the questions I asked, You are confused about the time frame of the bible, you interpret some of the bible and leave the rest, you follow the parts of the bible you want and conveniently ignore the rest.
The Questions were simple, as for defence, the bible shoots itself in the book at every turn.
However, you sound like a good person, enjoy your day, I hope you find what your looking for.
easy1355 2 months ago
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darwill1000 3 months ago
Lovely hymn though not sung in the strange "American??" accent by Elton.
osmodiautube 1 year ago
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jorick267 1 year ago
This hymn is about helpless and help before death. I have heard many versions, but Elton sings it wonderfully, with such a feeling as if Henry Lyte himself could sing it. It s very a touching version. And the arrangement is great. It seems an old song and new song at the same time
rubesubetube2010 1 year ago
hypocrite. there'll be no buggering in heaven
nickynoo75 1 year ago
This hymn is a prayer for God to remain present with the( speaker)throughout life, through trials,& through death.The first verse depicts such poignancy..
I listen to this beautiful heartfelt hymn for comfort ..I'm sad missing my dad .
It carries bittersweet memories.. Dad loved singing many a favorite hymns
Such joyful thoughts,sharing a hymn book, singing together each sunday
Growing up & when I visited dad we sang this .I've wept often since that
lost day we celebrated his life .. xox
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