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  • Turn to Yeshua and accept him as your saviour which means no rituals, no idols, icons of worship, no religion, but the Bible. Break free from the single act of worship to Lucifer.

    Do not give heed to doctrines of devils.

  • @nickacil In other words, always put God first? Do rituals and idols basically mean things like Christmas trees, self punishment, looking up to famous people as your role models etc?

  • @JamesHolman1000 : Yes.

  • @nickacil Thank you for your information. This is certainly calling for a new video. I have once been down the destructive road of self punishment. I will never go down that road again. Every time someone punishes themself, they are undermining what Jesus went through on the cross and harming the Body of Christ. I feel the need to make a video against all that stuff. This has been eye opening.

  • @nickacil Hold on... is it just Christmas trees that are Satanic or is it Christmas itself that is Satanic?

  • @JamesHolman1000 : Both.

  • @nickacil So all people who celebrate Christmas are indirectly Satanists? Even if they are celebrating it as a Christian festival?

  • Who the Hell is god?

  • Well, you're a Luciferian then, because I can see your X - MASS tree. Yup, you follow the rituals.

  • @nickacil You ARE joking, RIGHT????

  • @JamesHolman1000 : I'm serious.

  • @nickacil What the blazers!!!!???? Are you seriously saying that anyone who has a Christmas tree is a Luciferian. Yes, I know all about the pagan roots of Christmas but SO WHAT!!!!???? Christmas is celebrated as a Christian festival by Christians regardless of whether there is a Christimas tree present or not. What is the point of bashing Christmas trees?

  • @JamesHolman1000 : Yes, the Bible clearly states that they (you) have not repented of their Heathen ways. Yes, the traditions of man ushered by Egyptian roots (Catholicism - universal). The whole world is deceived and the followers of Lucifer (Christian army) are bound for judgment, because they cannot repent of their un-Godly ways.

    It isn't me saying the Truth, it is the Bible. If you got a problem with that, take it up with GOD.

    There is a eternal omni present force that has you bound

  • @JamesHolman1000 : Satan has you bound. You are in bondage.

    Just read the Bible.

  • @nickacil What do I do to escape this thing you call bondage?

  • Secular Humanism is the new atheistic religion. Their gods are Dawkins, Hitchens etc just like how Hitler was the god of the atheistic religion of Nazism and Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong-Il were/are the gods of the atheistic religion of Communism. These militant atheists are so religious and they do not even know it. These militant atheist fanatics are a far greater threat to the world than radical Muslims. The Federal Reserve and the Vatican are also great threats fulfilling prophecy.

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  • Yeah. There is a video that shows SOLID proof that 9-11 was an inside job. It's for real, I'm not exaggerating, just check it out on my page. I favorited it so you can see it there.

  • This is quite very simple to answer. The fact of the matter is, that just because people have something in common especially opinions, does not make anything a religion

  • You know Geerup-strawman, all you have to do is furnish prof of you're cloud-buddy and that would settle all arguments, who could stand against you're all powerful gawd? what cult would stand a chance? How come you guys can't get him to make a public apprarance like in the old days? Don't get mad, show prof , is that to much to ask?!

  • The LORD doesn't live in the clouds.

  • @faelismaegnus ;..So, does that mean you know where he lives? could you ask him to stop by my house, Or maybe have him make a public appearance, like the old days? why is that so hard? you're so close to him and all.

  • When you learn that mockery is not an argument, then I'll answer your questions. But I only answer serious questions from honest people, and not the braying of the wild ass.

  • @faelismaegnus ; You can't give any answers since you can't know the unknowable, obviously.

    And wouldn't the real ass be the one who claims to know anything about the "lord", no human could understand or comprehend a deity ,much less where they exist or do not. And it's not being "honest "either,..And if you're capable of honest intospection that's obvious.

  • Not a serious statement: "...no human can understand a deity..." That's complete nonsense. The God that made us and all things can make Himself understood in human terms as much as He needs to be understood. Your main problem is that you think that you need to comprehend the unknowable to walk with God. That seems to be what underpins most atheist reasoning against religion. Yet anyone who is honestly instrospective and at all reasonable KNOWS that humankind cannot KNOW IT ALL.

  • @faelismaegnus; ..If man could understand god "as much as he needs to be understood" Then preachers and religionist's wouldn't have so many different opinions on scripture,or which is the true religion.etc. So no you can't... And I don't feel I need to comprehend the unknowable, that doesn't make sense. Nor did I claim that humankind can, does or should KNOW IT ALL. ..And If you or anyone else could understand a deity, there would be fewer gods and religions. .....Obviously

  • Again, how does your nonsense statement and your response to my post on it have any relevance to humanity? God is not god. Either all religions are false (your belief), or all religions are true (impossible, since many contradict others), or ONE religion is true and the rest are false.

  • Letzer on 9/11 science vs conspiracy

  • 9/11 was done by the mole men - they were sick of living in the subway tunnels.

  • Hi, I am atheist and I am not becoming a cult or religion. Do I really need to explain??

  • Watch all the thumbs down on me because I'm a Christian.

  • sorry 1 up , gods real

  • @grantapuslafsalot its just like you people to want to be victims the fact that you got thumbs up just proves your not Christians act like everyone hates them get over it really you are the ones hating everyone else

  • I did 9/11.

  • when the bible says the devil is in control of the earth, how do you think he is controlling it?. it obviously isnt by getting a drunk or drug addict to get drunk r drugged till they pass out, do those ppl rule the world?. no the devil rules the world through powerful people, i would like to hear an alternate theory which makes more sense,

  • Letzer on 9/11 science vs conspiracy - n.w.o.- Illuminati - false flag,etc. devil workin overtime

  • Nut-job will believe anything thats in a cheesy documentary with spooky music.  The illuminati, the nwo, and the devil arent real. I should know....Im part of the conspiracy!

  • woah woah pump the brakes son pump em ok woah woah woah hold on why cant ppl except each other why do we fear religion and atheism these are all ideas for dividing the ppl to be easily controlled we need to team together and fight the political agenda and the banking elite the church is ment to controll religion is ment to understand or know god individual belief meens ppl think for themselves and the powers that be fear individuals that have oppinions and beliefs cult shmult worry worry
  • Of course geerup believes the 911 conspiracy theorists! Fucking retard wouldnt know evidence from dog shit. There is NO EVIDENCE for anything except that a few pissed off muslims got an entire country to shit themselves. And I have NEVER heard a fellow atheist say that they wanted to destroy religion or outlaw it or restrict people from practicing or talking about it!!!! Your strawman arguments and lies fail again and again. We simply fight for church state separation. And you cant stand it.

  • you should look for independent evidence, like the new yorkers the people in the buildings etc. those jets would have been lucky to take out one of them towers! built to withstand multiple jet impacts 10 times over strength number 7 just fell down? etc. "FAIL"

  • And so that "evidence" that is dismissed by experts across the board tells us.....what exactly? Just like with evolution...you seem to think that some evidence you pick up disproves the accepted conclusion. Without that evidence supporting any other theory. Where is the physical evidence linking the attacks to someone other that the hijackers? Because there is a fuck of a lot of evidence linking muslim terrorists to 911. You have no concept of evidence. FAIL

  • Seriously? Religion? Where's my tax break.? Shit we sure are getting cut short if Atheism is a religion.....

  • You have to be crazy to be religious. Lot's of crazy people on this earth. Vuala!

  • 2:31 ahaha ,those are not evidences,those are just misconceptions made by some paranoid kids to make money and make appear the world more interesting and adventurous.And how is atheism is becoming a religion?Why don't you make examples?You are just making assumptions and being paranoid .

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  • I know the song at the end of the vid was Cake. But what is it's title?

  • The definition of atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. Anything else is not a correct translation.

    You have real trouble with evidence Geerup. You see what you want to see.

    You are going to have difficulty once the Singularity hits.

  • You know what religion I find awfully cultic? Christianity. Christianity tries to rob people of their rational minds. Christianity tries to limit the information you hear just to push their own agenda.Christianity activly forces its beleifs on homosexuallity and abortion into laws even for people who do not beleive in these fairy tales. Christianity has you drink the blood and eat the flesh of a magical zombie whos father will send you to hell for not beleiving in him.

  • Geerup, Sam Harris has actually made a specific point in many of his speeches and debates to differentiate between the types of religions and what it is that they preach, levels of violence, etc etc. You claiming that he lumps everything together is evidence that you actually haven't done your homework.

  • All religions are cults, Athiesm is not a religion, a religion is 1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

    2.a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion

  • Atheism is a religion of man instead of God. It worships mankind and its accomplishments. Atheism in itself no matter how you look at it is a religion. Atheism holds man at a godlike status, atheists have their own dogma, set of beliefs, etc

  • Atheism is not a religion in anyway because each atheist believes different things, that is why religions are created to separate beliefs. There are religions that believe in no god, but athiesm is not a religion, just like theism isnt a religion, it is a category, athiesm and theism are categories, not religions

  • Theist is everyone who believes in Allah, RA, god of the bible, thor, odin, Shiva and have convinced themselves that they exist. You fall under the Theist category Geerup. you live in a country where most fall under that. Atheist is someone who through logic and reason can see through theism for what it is. A religion. its not more than that

  • I speak blessings over your ministry and houshold, in Jesus name.

    Wonderful job defending Jesus Christ, the true savor of the world.

  • I think it's real hard to get Atheists to admit their belief (or lack of belief) is based on their opinion or faith. They say "I have no belief" but they made a choice to have that belief. It's totally binary dude. The only TRUE atheist is a person who never heard of the concept of God in any form. But if they heard about God, at some point they DECIDED to believe or not. Those who don't get stuck into this polarization would be agnostic. So to have an opinion pro or con is to have a FAITH.

  • True.

    Also, the only fight against Epistemic Skepticism is an "intrinsic disagreement" (by both Foundationalists and Coherentists). We are stuck at the philosophical point where all "knowledge" is belief or faith.

  • the militant atheist fundamentalist want to take over the country... keep up the good fight geerup, don't let the dangerous false religion overcome us

  • I used words....

  • I like how you can make the distinction between what you say people like Sam Harris did, and what you're doing about secular humanism. I just see tarring everyone with the same brush. What, pray, do you see?

  • This is a rather desperate attempt to link the values of one group of Atheists to blanket all Atheists with.

    Typical...but it's disheartening that I actually have to explain what the problem with that is.

    Not all Atheists are Secular Humanists. Additionally, SH isn't looking to actively wipe religion from the world - you need to get over yourself if you think otherwise.

    It's laughable for christians to insist that they are being somehow oppressed or persecuted.

  • Even "militant" atheism is not a religion. Fighting for separation of church and state, fighting to keep religious dogma out of science classes, fighting for freedom from religion is an entirely secular endeavour. The fact that atheists are attempting to organize (along with Humanists or whoever else) does not make it a religion. It's simply a freedom movement in support of rational truth. Your paranoid revelations about expunging christians from the face of the earth is crap.

  • hey bud the terrorists dont believe that jesus is the savior. and how do you explain bin laden being a conspirator in 9/11? because it wasnt an inside job.

  • I'm sorry i do believe that there was a cover up going on around the WTC disaster..

    However religious views need to stay the hell away from it, because people who believe the Bush administration are a secret cabal of blood-drinking Satan worshippers seriously harm the credibility of the truth movement..

    They also seriously damage any chance of bolstering public opinion for a reopening of the inquiry..

    Keep the conspiracy theories, stick to the conspiracy facts please..

  • Had they survived, and they could not have since the Hebrews could not have adopted them all, they would have grown up into an army that hated the Hebrews and saught to destroy them - the only tribe of man that still owrshiped the one true God and kept His written Word for the entire world.

    God accomplished 3 feats at once:

    1) saved the children from suffering and slow death

    2) took them to heaven where they could not suffer

    3) Prevented a nation from again rising up against the hebrews

  • I really hope that you don't believe that. If you do, I'll pray for your soul.

  • Pray to whom? Yourself?

    Ignorance of the Word of God is no excuse for denying God, ya know. Humanism is stupidism. This place is a theocracy - it was from the beginning and will be in the end.

  • America was never intended to be a theocracy. It was always meant to be a secular nation. Most of the founding fathers weren't christians. Fundamentalism is stupid.

  • The entire world is a theocracy. God is the creator and owner of it, and he is not through doing His work with it.

  • "In the manner that you judge so shall you be judged."

    True. I am not judging you. You mistake hudgement from understanding. There is a great difference.

    "I call the god of the bible unjust because he ordered the slaughter of children."

    But He's perfect and blameless. God is loving, merciful, compassionate, forgiving, kind, just, sweet, Holy, charitable, and things we don't even know about.

  • If god is so loving, why would he kill a child?

  • Someone who knows nothing of God and the Bible! This was an act of mercy. The Hebrews defeated the Cannanites in battle. If the children went untouched, there would have had no adults to care for them, and they would have wandered the dessert until they died of thirst and starvation, suffering greatly. God doesn't like children to suffer. So he ordered them killed so that he could take them to heaven and care for them himself!

  • If God is so loving, why would He kill a child?.hmmm, first of all, God does not kill anyone. He however, gives human beings the faculty of free will. Hence, the individual who commits the act of murder is the one who is solely responsible. Why does God not intervene? Because if God revealed his existence, life would no longer be a test. Also, how do you know where the child is destined to go when he dies? What if He enters paradise? Perhaps God's sense of justice is beyond our comprehension

  • The bible claims that god ordered the Israelites to kill the children. A person who orders murder is at least as responsible as those who commit it.

  • I find it difficult to comprehend why God would need to "order" anyone to do such a thing when he provides human beings with the ability to exercise their free will. Excuse my ignorance (I'm not a christian) but could you provide me with the original source from the bible where that is taken from? I am interested to know. Thanks.

  • 1 Samuel 15:3

  • Wow your comment got marked as spam within a minute. Anyway, many thanks. Much appreciated.

  • Circlekloser said "1 Samuel 15:3" and it was mark spam so I reposted it .PLEASE people stop spaming comment if they are not Spam Thanks.

  • thanks for the clarification :)

  • "You know nothing about me or my worldview."

    I can know some things about you because of your worldview. I know your worldview better than you. I have a perspective from God given to me, as with every Christian, that you do not have and cannot have unless you came to know God.

  • You don't know. What is it then? Since you know better than me, please tell me.

  • Atheist philosopher Anthony Flew became a believer late in life because he said he could not escape this fact.

    "And why does it have to be personal? May be it's a force of nature."

    Because it is a First Cause. Empirical scientific law proves that all things have a cause. If there is a First Cause, it must be outside of nature (supernatural) and outside of time (infinite).

  • Are you a child? Am I debating a child?

  • "How do you know that it chose anything?"

    Because we exist. Remember, had He not chosen to create, nothing would exist.

    "You can't demonstrate your claim."

    I have proven it. There cannot be an infinite number of causes, else the current moment in time could not be attained, and time would not exist. Therefore, there is a First Cause of all that exists.

  • A first cause does not have to be a personal god.

  • "What about aliens?"

    Aliens are some of the angels God threw out of heaven for the crime of pride in the presence of God. You commit the same sin when you state God does not exist because your pride prevents you from humbling yourself to Him. Hey, I'm not innocent by any means. But that'sone sin I don't commit. I'm not saying I'm any better than you, just that I have my ownsins that I need forgiveness for. God is willing to forgive any and all sins but one.

  • I knew you were a lunatic.

  • "If someone says that something exists which is undemonstrable, that person must justify his claim."

    God is demonstratable. He demonstrates Himself all the time. He demonstrated His power and compassion to my best friend, whom He cured of incurable neurological disease instantly 2 yrs ago.

    Instantly. Permanently.

  • That is wrong. You are an idiot, and I will not waste more time arguing with you.

  • "mine tells me that killing children is wrong regardless of who orders it."

    God is just and has a right to be. Your opinion does not change that.

    "god hasn't proven anything. God is not self-evident."

    He has, and he is. Even your concience tells you he exists.

    "if I make the claim that Zeus exists and is the creator of the universe, I don't have to show evidence for my claim?"

    Evidence for God is stupifying. BTW, Aeus is real. He was an angel thrown out of heaven by God.

  • "if god told someone to kill a child, then it would be just?"

    Yes. God is perfect. IF it is God that told you, that is. There've been a few insane people who thought they knew God. 0o

    We know this. Whenever a self-proclaimed atheist has taken power in any nation, mass murder ensued. That's history. Over 1 billion were mass murdered by atheist leaders in the 20th century alone. As for Hitler, he disavowed Christianity and called it a srourge that must be eliminated... before the holocost.

  • "Yes. God is perfect. IF it is God that told you, that is."

    You are morally bankrupt and so is your god.

  • "Well you know what? I simply don't care."

    We know that, don't you think?

    "Pat Robertson predicted doomsday on November 11th, 2005. It did not happen."

    Pat Robertson is not in the Word of God.

  • "I can name one Religion that is based on a Science Fiction book (Scientology). Their book certainly exists. But I'm not convinced their God exists either."

    There are many false religions and only one true religion. All false religions were enforced upon man by the angels God cast out of heaven, spoken of in many ancient texts, including the Bible, and verified by archeology.

  • Verified by archeology? I'm assuming that we'll all be hearing about this in the news then, huh?

  • "How could I honestly worship something that I thought was unjust?"

    You call God unjust because He has rules and you don't like them. In truth, it has nothing to do with the events of the Bible. That's just your toy for trying to make the excuse. Truly, you don't think Christians are not onto the game do you? You don't actually believe that we don't know more about your worldview than you do, do you?

  • You know nothing about me or my worldview. In the manner that you judge so shall you be judged.

    I call the god of the bible unjust because he ordered the slaughter of children.

  • "Emotional escapism?"

    Indeed.

    "Is that a closed-minded way of saying that I don't believe the god of the bible is just?"

    No.

  • "Which takes more faith? To believe in bigfoot, but not be able to provide enough evidence? Or to NOT believe in bigfoot, but not provide enough evidence?"

    Bigfoot is Gigantopethicus. It's a real creature. Whether or not any of them still exist is debatable.

    ht tp : // en . wikipedia . org / wiki / Gigantopithecus

  • That is another claim that you can't verify with accurate evidence. What about aliens? Do you have a theory for them too?

  • "Show me, and don't give me any of this "look out your window" garbage."

    There cannot be an infinite number of causes, else the current moment in time could never be attained, and time ewould not exist. There is therefore a First Cause. This First Cause must be Personal and concious, for it chose to cause something to be as opposed to allowing nothingness to continue uninterupted.

  • How do you know that it chose anything? You can't demonstrate your claim. And why does it have to be personal? May be it's a force of nature.

  • "the burden of proof is on those making the claim that god exists."

    Quite the opposite. From the beginning of the world almost everyone has believed in a divine creator. Atheists are and have always been a very tiny percentage of the world's population. You're the new kid on the block with your falicious claim. The only burden that exists is that which exists in your concience. No Christian has a burden to prove anything. God already has. Our obligation in this matter is to share the truth.

  • First, it's "fallacious" genius.

    Second, it's "conscience" professor. And mine tells me that killing children is wrong regardless of who orders it.

    Third, god hasn't proven anything. God is not self-evident.

    Four, so if I make the claim that Zeus exists and is the creator of the universe, I don't have to show evidence for my claim?

  • "You're right, it is in black and white. Our constitution allows us to believe whatever we want and you can't stop us."

    You're right! However, God can, and will, one day. You, and every denialistor God-hater in the world will bow to God and beg forgiveness.

    But you don't have to do it when it's too late. God loves you and wants you to do it right now.

  • I guess we'll have to wait and see.

  • "None of that justifies"

    It does.

    "the fact that god ordered children to be killed"

    Indeed. God is efficient. he accomplished 2 goals with one act.

    "Your god is a murderer."

    Impossible. God did not murder anyone. He had them removed from the world and took them to heaven. Furthermore, God has every right to protect the only tribre of man that still worshipped Him and kept His written Word from those who saught to destroy both.

    The USA has a right to defend itself in was also!

  • Being able to act is not equal to being justified for doing so.

    By your argument, if god told someone to kill a child, then it would be just?

  • I reposted this because somebody marked it as spam, presumably because it said something that they didn't want to acknowledge.

  • "They must prove all God(s) does not exist or believe by faith"

    What Christian believes by faith alone without experience with God?

    One great problem for atheists is attempting to disprove that there was not a First Cause. If there were not, time would not exist. It is impossible to disprove the existance of God when there cannot be an infinite number of causes.

  • Bingo.

  • "But even accurate prophecies do not prove the existence of God."

    You aren't thinking clearly. Prophecy comes from God.

    "What if the Bible is right about everything EXCEPT the existence of God?"

    What if a Chilton's mechanic book is right about all the parts of the car it refers to? Would it be possible that the car never existed?

    "But Atheists have an even tougher problem."

    Many.

  • I can name one Religion that is based on a Science Fiction book (Scientology). Their book certainly exists. But I'm not convinced their God exists either.

  • "and it is specific and unambiguous"

    Prophecy is ambiguous? Perhaps to those who have not studied.

    "It's been the end times for a thousand years now according to people dwelling in prophecy."

    No. That's not in the Bible.

    "However, it never happens on schedule, does it?"

    Huh? Do you not know that HUNDREDS of prophecies have been fulfilled, even some in the 20th century? 0o

  • Sure prophecies have been fulfilled. They were vaguely written. And in retrospect, it's easy to say yes, they were fulfilled. But prophecy does not prove the existence of God.

  • "prophecy is only a real prophecy if"

    What constitutes prophecy is not up to you.

    "it is verifiable made before the event"

    How could it not be if it appears in a document which genology verifies was written so long before the event?

  • "What constitutes prophecy is not up to you".

    Well you know what? I simply don't care.

    "it is verifiable made before the event"

    Pat Robertson predicted doomsday on November 11th, 2005. It did not happen. Pat Robertson clearly is not a Prophet.

  • "prophecy is only a real prophecy if"

    What constitutes prophecy is not up to you.

    "it is verifiable made before the event"

    How could it not be if it appears in a document which genology

  • "That's the First Amendment, which is clearly not a part the original Constitution."

    The Articles were proposed in 1777 and ratified in 1781. When is not rreally important. They are part of the constitution.

    What I find odd is your desire to try to refure what the constitution states. It's in black and white. There's no secret here. It's real too!

  • You're right, it is in black and white. Our constitution allows us to believe whatever we want and you can't stop us.

  • The articles are definitely part of the Constitution. The Bill of Rights Amendments of the Constitution (which you quoted), were ratified December 15, 1791, ten years later and, yes, are now part of the Constitution.

    The point is that the Constitution never says this is a Christian nation as you have been trying to imply.

  • "My conscience tells me NOT to listen to the bible. A god who kills children is not worth worshipping"

    God saved them from death by starvation and thirst, as they were refugees of war which the israelites could not adopt ans whom would grow up to create yet another army opposed to them. God has justice. Complaining about it does not get you off the hook. Emotional escapism is not a valid reason to ignore your concience.

  • None of that justifies the fact that god ordered children to be killed. Your god is a murderer.

  • Emotional escapism? Is that a closed-minded way of saying that I don't believe the god of the bible is just?

    How could I honestly worship something that I thought was unjust? How does anyone who has ever read the bible continue to believe that it is the inerrant word of god?

  • "I simply don't know and don't have solid proof to prove it either way."

    Would you care to watch these video?

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  • A prophecy is only a real prophecy if it is verifiable made before the event and it is specific and unambiguous. It's been the end times for a thousand years now according to people dwelling in prophecy. However, it never happens on schedule, does it?

    But even accurate prophecies do not prove the existence of God. What if the Bible is right about everything EXCEPT the existence of God?

    But Atheists have an even tougher problem. They must prove all God(s) does not exist or believe by faith

  • "But Atheists have an even tougher problem. They must prove all God(s) does not exist or believe by faith."

    Actually the burden of proof is on those making the claim that god exists. Really, he does? Show me, and don't give me any of this "look out your window" garbage.

    Which takes more faith? To believe in bigfoot, but not be able to provide enough evidence? Or to NOT believe in bigfoot, but not provide enough evidence?

  • Not to care whether bigfoot exists or not is easiest. Not to believe in bigfoot is easy. What is hard is proving that bigfoot simply does not exist.

    If you inisit that God does not exist, the burden of proof is still on you. But the problem is that one can't prove whether or not he exists. There is no evidence to back either viewpoint.

  • I was using an analogy. If someone says that something exists which is undemonstrable, that person must justify his claim.

  • [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    [22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

  • Check this out friend:

    Romans 1

    [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

  • "I believe it takes faith to believe in God just as much as it does to believe there is no God"

    That would be fine my friend, except having no faith in God requires 2 things:

    1) one must ignore thier concience, which tells them God exists.

    2) they must refuse to study the matter, particularly refuse to read the bible, to remain without faith. That is what Christians, and the Bible itself in explicit terms, calls being "willfully ignorant".

  • My conscience tells me NOT to listen to the bible. A god who kills children is not worth worshipping

  • 1) Atheist's conscience tells them God does not exist.

    2) I don't know of any Atheists that study the Bible. Yes, they are willfully ignorant.

  • 2 Peter 3

    3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

    4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

    5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

    6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

  • The authors of the constitution didn't mean "freedom to practice any religion". They meant freedom of denomination. It's a misinterpretation to say that it provides protection for religions made possible by an ommission of the word Christianity - a mistake they did not see the results of coming in their time, a time when virtually everyone in the colonies was Christian, and when they did not envision any other religion being practiced in the USA.

    Freedom OF religion, not religionS.

  • Then it should have said denomination. But it didn't. It said religion.

  • Yes, it should have, and instead of religion, it should have said religonS.

  • GODDAMN BLESS AMERICA!

  • It does not even say the word "religion", it says the word "religious". Please read it again for yourself.

  • Get your facts right before making outright claims:

    Article [I]13

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

  • That's the First Amendment, which is clearly not a part the original Constitution.

    Article VI says: "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

    Get your facts straight.

  • I don't think it was a mistake omitting Christianity form the Constitution. The Constitution was clearly meant to be a secular document. The word religion is found only once in the Constitution: Article VI: No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the United States. The word God was never used once.

    I don't buy it.

  • "You do support the freedom of religion, don't you?"

    No. I do not believe in religion. I believe in Jesus Christ. Religion is a concoction of the angels God cast out of heaven and enforced upon man in the ancient past.

  • I guess then according to you, the Constitution then does not protect Christians.

  • In it's current form it does. I never said it did not. What i said was it does not say literally what was meant by it's authors, and that this was a mistake made on their behalf because they did not envision other religions being practiced in a land which was almost 100% Christian and whos people came from other nations which also were the same.

  • Well, that is correct. The way the Constitution is currently interpreted, it protects all religions.

  • Many of the founding fathers were in fact deists not christians. And above all they were secularists.

  • "do you believe that Atheism deserves First Amendment protection?"

    Ofcourse not. The constitution of the USA does not provide for seperation of church and state. It states that no religion shall be sanctioned or established by the government. it does not provide for protection of religion either. Free speech is not sactioning religion.

  • The First Amendment prohibits the government from passing laws that will establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. If Atheism is a religion, then clearly if the government says that an Atheist cannot hold political office, then it is preferring one religion over another.

    The First Amendment also prohibits the government from interfering with a persons practice of his or her religion.

  • "Creation science ... does it really follow the scientific method?"

    Ofcourse. Evolutionists do not however. That is why they claim assumptions are fact.

  • Such as?

  • Would you chill out, dude? To have a negative belief is still a belief. I was merely saying that they were technically correct if you take religion and dogma in the broadest sense. That's it. You don't need to write a book about it.

  • I don't have a negative belief. I have no belief either way. I'm Agnostic.

  • Atheism is a religion based largely upon evolutionism, which portends to answer the same questions as religions do:

    1) where we came from: rock poop

    2) how we got here: random chance

    3) the purpose of life: survival of the fittest

    4) where we are going: dirt

    Atheism and evolutionism are religion.

  • Nonsense.

  • Since you believe that Atheism is a religion, do you believe that Atheism deserves First Amendment protection? You do support the freedom of religion, don't you?

  • "So how do you define 1)Religion"

    Dictionary. Try it.

    "2)Dogma and 3)Doctrine?"

    Dictionary. Try it.

    "We cannot have a meaningful discussion if our words mean different things."

    No doubt you need education.

  • A dogma or a doctrine simply means a tenet or belief.

  • Then you describe evolutionism perfectly.

  • Atheists don't have a doctrine or tenets. Their beliefs vary widely.

  • Sure they do. That's why they strive so hard to destroy religion. Th8ier doctrivne is removal of religion from the mind of mankind. It is and will always fail. The wolrld is moving toward a world-wide government sanctioned religion, which everyone will be required to practice or be executed. The people you think are your heros want to kill you.

  • I don't think you can categorize all Atheists as ones to striving to destroy religions. Most of the Atheists I know don't care about the concept of God any more than you might care about the Tooth Ferry, the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. They're not out to crush someone else's dream or illusion.