@gerhitchman It's so comforting to be reminded that people still know how to say so much about a guy's video without saying anything really intelligent. In short: So my angelic voice ain't that great. Haters gonna hate.
@DecKrash Oh I didn't mean to say you have a bad voice or anything. I meant that you provided no insight whatsoever into the "scuffle" and that you're an intellectually lazy twat.
Lets see you claimed TF is a "jerk," so because he's a "jerk" that is grounds for he getting his videos taken down (aka. DMCA-ed). There is nothing in your presentation that TF broke the law.
@DecKrash, you claim TF has "been an outright jerk and worst to the Christian community", how so? Provide a SPECIFIC example. You can't Pwn'ing religion with facts isn't jerk behavior, crying about such pwn'ing, what you're doing, is.
Two issues, one major and one minor:
1. Is use of a few SHORT clips of Dr. Craig in ANY video fall under "fair use"? This is major.
2. Is DrCraigVideos an official agent of Dr. Craig? This is minor.
The answer to 1 is YES, and so DrCraigVideos DID false DMCA.
I must say that I am tired of the idea that we need to be 100% respectful of islam. It is a racist, sexist, and violent religion. It is also the largest. I am an atheist and do believe that peoples freedom of religion is important. Just as important as our freedom of speech. Witch allows me to say these things. That being said islam is the biggest hater and threat to both these freedoms and much more. If a religion can’t respect these freedoms then it deserves 0 respect in return.
If you haven't still been blocked by pedantic drcraigvideos, just run a little experiment: leave a comment that minimally contradicts drcraigvideos' statement and then realize WHO'S THE REAL JERK!
I shed no tears for thunderf00t? So is what you are saying is that it's alright to break the law and try to unduly censor people as long as you really really don't like them?
wow right from the start you admil you have a bias and do not know facts.you admit you censor coments.you prefer to preach to your choir .mmm you really do have limited insight.
@stealthgerm I admitted that I didn't know the facts so that people would excuse my seeming bias. And the only censoring I do is if people start getting ugly and insulting. Trust me, if I was as bad as you made me out to be, I'd have deleted your comment and blocked you already. You're welcome to comment as long as you're not downright ugly or trollish. As I state in just about ALL my videos, my only standing rule is to keep it civil.
@DecKrash tbh, you are the one being 'bad' to begin with. The only thing this video is about is promoting a negative view of thunderfoot. If you want this to be civil, as you seem to favor, then you might want to point out what thunderfoot is doing wrong, instead of just saying bad things about him.
@SOAS007 "Dr." is the appellation given to an individual holding a graduate degree above the Master's level in either medicine (M.D.), science (S.D.), humanities such as philosophy, literature, linguistics, art, history, etc (Ph.D), or theology (Th.D). Craig holds doctorates from two accredited universities, Birmingham in England (phil) and Munich in Germany (theo). Unless you are prepared to remove accreditation from two world-renowned universities, then Dr. Craig is really Dr. Craig.
@BoethianAcolyte Kent Hovind, on the other hand, has received degrees from non-accredited universities, that is to say those without valid repute on the academic scene, and therefore is not an apt comparison. Furthermore, unlike Hovind, Craig is not a young earth creationist, so the comparison is exceedingly unfair.
@BoethianAcolyte "so the comparison is exceedingly unfair." Thanks, it was a genuine question. I see from wiki, the birmingham one, amongst the paper mills. It just that his arguments are as weak as Hovind. He just spouts that childish Kalum comalogical BS. But at least he is a DR.
@SOAS007 Well, as far as his arguments go, we're just going to have to disagree on that one. I am just frustrated by the flippant attitude that Craig's credentials are suspect because his views don't accord with someone else's views. As it happens, really smart, well educated people still have disagreements. It's the nature of discourse, and it frustrates me when people are willing to stoop to those levels. So sorry if I was a bit curt. Plus not lots of room on YT.
It's certainly ok to disagree, but as far as weak arguments go, Victor Stenger pointed out that Craig seems unable to learn. In a debate, Stenger had corrected Craig's platonistic view of the physical world and some of Craig's non-sequiturs -- just to discover months later that Craig still used those same old, objectively falsified arguments.
Craig may be a decent debater and now his phil/theo stuff, but his arguments often don't touch reality.
@virumoz Well, it seems like accusing someone of "being unable to learn" is a hardnosed way of not admitting that someone just doesn't agree with you. I haven't heard the debate between Stenger and Craig, but I know that Craig has openly disavowed Platonism several times, so I have a hunch it may be strawmanning. Simply because Stenger raised objections, it doesn't mean that Craig's positions are now false.
@BoethianAcolyte »but I know that Craig has openly disavowed Platonism several times« -- I'm sure he did whenever he found it opportune. I was talking about facts of physics.
BTW, you should know that thunderf00t makes MONEY off of his own videos. So, when he uses footage of William Lane Craig from drcraigvideos, thunderf00t is making money off of Craig's back! thunderf00t is a parasite! And you're telling me he didn't deserve the DMCA? Give me a break!
@DecKrash You may not support Tbutt (or thunderf00t or thunderfart or whatever), but you said that the DMCA was ridiculous, didn't you? You said it falls under fair use, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. But, Tbutt is making money from his videos, and one of those videos includes footage of William Lane Craig. Footage that he got from drcraigvideos. drcraigvideos had to do the DMCA! Tbutt and his minions won't admit this part about the fact that he's using Craig for money. Will you?
BionicDance made a video detailing the process of accounting for fair use of others’ intellectual property within the YouTube partner program (see watch?v=p_IgDs2WDCw »Tutorial: Writing Revenue-Sharing Claims«). I'd be surprised if thunderf00t wouldn't follow YT's guidelines in this regard.
Further than that, thunderf00t is neither accountable to you, me or drcraigvideos for making money. Also read thunderf00t's latest bulletin: the DMCA was probably bogus.
@smellyf00t1912 Why are you too spineless to reply with your other account, "drcraigvideos"?
And so what if TF makes money? Jon Stewart makes money from The Daily Show, where he uses clips from others extensively. And so do a lot of other people.
You are basically admitting to abusing the DMCA because you think Fair Use should be something it isn't. And since you also have several accounts, they should all be shut down.
@tingtangs thunderfart is making money off of his own videos. And he's using stolen footage from drcraigvideos to do it! That's copyright infringement. Otherwise, he better start paying William Lane Craig.
@smellyf00t1912 Stop replying with your sock puppet account, drcraigvideos.
TF's use of Craig's videos is clearly under Fair Use, and your DMCA was completely unwarranted. You will now have all your sock puppet accounts, and your main account, drcraigvideos, removed from YouTube.
Remember, Craig himself said you pirated his videos!
@tingtangs Gentlemen, calm down. I said to keep it civil, and that is my only warning. smellyf00t, if you ARE drcraigvideos writing with a sock account, please grow a pair, and use your actual account to defend yourself. tingtangs, relax. You are right. drcraigvideos does not own the right to those videos; Dr. Craig does, so DCV has no right to DMCA Tbutt in this matter, unless, perhaps, Dr. Craig himself had a problem with it, and asked him to handle it.
@smellyf00t1912 Gentlemen, calm down. I said to keep it civil, and that is my only warning. smellyf00t, if you ARE drcraigvideos writing with a sock account, please grow a pair, and use your actual account to defend yourself. tingtangs, relax. You are right. drcraigvideos does not own the right to those videos; Dr. Craig does, so DCV has no right to DMCA Tbutt in this matter, unless, perhaps, Dr. Craig himself had a problem with it, and asked him to handle it.
@smellyf00t1912 It is important for you to realize that it is not illegal to make money from commenting, doing parody, etc. underfair use laws. Think about that the next time you are watching one of those funny clips tv shows or just about any news organization. I'm going to try to give you unbiased suggestions: Retract your claim until you at least talk with an attorney. Your interpertation of the law is erroneous and it's going to come back to haunt you. Don't make emotional decisions!
@smellyf00t1912 And...? Those are Dr. William Lane Craig's videos. NOT drcraigvideos's videos. Also, my personal feelings about Tbutt in this are irrelevant. The main point is whether or not he was in the right for posting the videos. They misrepresent Dr. Craig; that much is true, but they are used for critique and overview. As far as I've been informed, they have not violated copyright laws - which drcraigvideos does not own any rights to in that regard, as far as I know.
@DecKrash LOL! Okay, so I'll go ahead and mirror a Lady Gaga music video with a 10 second commentary, and say, well, it's MY video and I'll make money off of it, so what? If that satisifies you then be that way. My eyes are wide open. Those videos were given to drcraigvideos by permission. They're HIS! He has the right to DMCA.
@smellyf00t1912 Does drcraigvideos own the rights to them? Are they HIS videos, or are they the property of Dr. William Lane Craig, only posted on drcraigvideos' channel with Dr. Craig's permission? And I advise you to choose the phrasing of your response wisely, because if you get smart-alecky with me one more time, you will be blocked.
@DecKrash William Lane Craig gave drcraigvideos permission to use his videos. William Lane Craig's website has a link to drcraigvideos' channel. If you DMCA someone you have to affirm you have AUTHORITY of the video. What drcraigvideos is doing is right. You shouldn't make money off of Craig's name, like one Tfoot is doing! I don't mean to be smart allecky but you haven't responded to my "Lady Gaga" argument. Would that be okay with you?
There is a problem with your gaga argument, gaga does not make claims of truth, Craig does, so it is common to show the actual claims, then refuting the claims made. echoing or claiming a video as their own, however is not fair use. if you simply play craig's videos, that is not fair use, drcraigvideos may/not have authority to show vid's but that does not give authority to dmca others, this has to be done by craig or his legal rep or risk being sued
@thybigballs Yes. Watch any of his video commentaries about Christianity, and then read some Christian apologetics publications, and you'll see what I mean.
@DecKrash I have watched many of Thunderfoot's vids as well as Christian vids such as those of Mr. Craig. I am still am unaware of any specific "twisting of truths" from Thunderfoot, as you implied. I understand that you don't care for Thunderfoot(and I am unbiased about that) but could you please give me any examples off the top of your head of Thunderfoot manipulating anything that could be labeled as truth? I'm not looking to pick a fight...just curious of what you are referring to. Thx.
@thybigballs There are hundreds, if not more videos in response to what Tbutt's laughable misrepresentation of Psalm 23. Tektontv's response comes to mind most prominently. Also, rationalroundtable has commented on things that Tbutt has said in the past, including (I think) his video about Psalm 23. As I said before, Look at any of his videos about Christianity, and then read books like "Reasonable Faith," "The Case for Faith," When Skeptics Ask" and "When Critics Ask."
William Lane Craig's reasonablefaith website has a direct link to drcraigvideos blogspot in the 'links' section of his website, as well as a link to drcraigvideos YouTube channel in the 'audio-visual' section of his website. It is therefore very strange that Bill Craig would mention drcraigvideos by name, boast about his YouTube channel having over 4 million views, and then describe drcraigvideos as having 'pirated' his material.
Whether he cares or not isn't the issue, is my point. If drcraigvideos is working under WLC's explicitly given position, then WLC is legally responsible for the actions of drcraigvideos, including the DMCA he filed against Thunderf00t. However, if drcraigvideos is NOT acting with WLC's permission, EVEN IF WLC ISN'T BOTHERED BY IT, then all the blame for that false DMCA falls squarely on the shoulders of drcraigvideos.
I corresponded with drcraigvideos and he gave me this response: watch?v=EfuIDuBprSI
In so many words, drcraigvideos told thunderf00t if he's going to take footage from his channel he should start telling his vieweres where he gets them from (at least mention his channel: "drcraigvideos"), because thunderf00t has a history of deliberately taking out "Reasonable Faith" links and information: watch?v=OR6MVnVLMHs
"if he's going to take footage from his channel he should start telling his vieweres where he gets them from "
TF is under no obligation to do any such thing, if even DCV would own the copyright to the material he posts (which he doesn't). Besides, most of the videos can also be found elsewhere and it is VERY clear they depict material by Craig,
@smellyf00t1912 If you do not agree with drcraigvideos, and you say so on his channel, you are immediately blocked. Thus, thunderf00t cannot correspond with drcraigvideos. Now you blame thunderf00t that he does not mention drcraigvideos when he shows materials that is ALSO(!) contained on his channel. But you fail to mention that drcraigvideos is using Dr Craig's videos without mentioning the source himself. Which makes drcraigvideos a hypocrite.
@smellyf00t1912, you're entirely ignoring the reality of "fair use".
There is no obligation under the DMCA for TF or anyone else to provide advertisement for DrCraigVideos, ReasonableFaith, etc.
The DMCA does allow for clips to be used for critique, educational, non-profit, etc. which is the clear context of TF's video.
Dr Craig and DrCraigVideos will lose their DMCA claim, and never be able to live down their dishonesty. It was moronic for them to try false DMCA'ing TF.
I do watch TF vids but i have to say that i dont care for the guy that much. As soon as money was mentioned i lost some respect for him.
i think he has a right to question WLC. Craigs arguments are poor at best. I dont know why any Theist would take what he says as being good evidence for God. He has nothing to give.
@holdontoyourwig I never said that TF didn't have a right to question WLC. And obviously, Dr. Craig is doing something right to have won the respect and admiration of atheists and theists alike. But this isn't really about him. Rather, whether what drcraigvideos is doing is right. The more I see about him, the more disturbed I have become.
@DecKrash drcraigvideos blocked me after i made one or two comments on a video i watched. I was polite, but that makes no difference with him. He has blocked many people. There is a growing number of Theists who "comment pending approval" their videos so they can block users and censor comments. Even polite ones.
What drcraig did in my opinion was wrong and he may well pay heavily for it. Fair use is there for a reason.
@holdontoyourwig I think you're meaning drcraigvideos in that last sentence, and if that's the case, then I agree. As I said in my video, he'll have hell to pay if it comes out that he's in the wrong.
@tingtangs 1) I think that may change if drcraigvideos' actions come to Dr. Craig's personal attention.
2) Sock accounts are an act of cowardice and underhandedness. Hence my telling smellyf00t1912 to grow a pair and defend his views with his actual account.
The DMCA is clearly false. The critique used 2 snippets of video which were completely in context with TF's observation. What I don't get is how mentioning that you think TF has been a jerk matters at all in this context? First of all, I don't think he is half as bad as the average apologist on tubes. I think that his valid observations, although sometimes a bit semantic, rub people the wrong way. That is the problem of those people, not the observer. Predicting lotto results is not being a jerk
3:30 DawahFilms dropped thunderf00t’s docs and worked towards having thunderf00t »fired«, but according to your superior Christian morals, *thunderf00t* is the hate monger?
3:54 »wether or not it was really right to do, I don't, uh, I'm still up in the air about it« -- that is moral relativism.
5:15 About »keep it civil«: how about the slanderous webpage about Theo Warner, accusing him of child pornography?
drcraigvideos and DawahFilms — those two are the ones you want to side with, DecKrash?
@virumoz 1) Did I ever say that I sided with DawahFilms? D00d, I was uneasy about what he did to Tf00t, and still am. My "superior" Christian morals are a double-edged sword. I think that Tf00t was a bully and deserved to be taken down a peg, but I still question DF's methods in doing it.
2) Do you even know what moral relativism means?
3) What does that have to do with keeping it civil in my comment section?
4) If you watched the video, you know that I'm not "siding" with anyone.
So you're »still up in the air about it« wether DawahFilms actions were okay, but *I* am the one not getting moral relativism? Sure. In your opinion then, what *would* merit you rebuking DawahFilms (short of, oh I don't know, him killing thunderf00t)?
@virumoz Because what is morally right sometimes isn't always 100% clear when multiple factors involved. I don't know DF's heart. If he did it for justice, then notifying his superiors was right to do. But if it was out of revenge, then no, regardless of the result.
Now I'm curious: what specific »hatemongering« statement against an antiquated (and even by *your* standards misguided) belief system made by thunderf00t justifies doc dropping and jeoparding somebody's life and job? What do you mean by »superiors«? Why do you give DF the benefit of an – in my view – unfounded doubt but not thunderf00t?
My guess: because DF is a theist like you, and thunderf00t is an atheist. This, my friend, is moral relativism.
@virumoz Um... his life? Really? I don't think so. Also, throwing in "antiquated" does not diminish a belief, whether you believe it or not. Even I wouldn't use that laughably weak argument in discrediting a religion. And who said that I was giving DF the benefit of ANY doubt? I just said I don't know. There CAN be a reason for DF's actions to be morally justifiable, But in my opinion, there is no excuse for Tbutt, who has done far worse. Remember VenomfangX?
I use »antiquated« (or wrong, or demented), and you write about some »Tbutt«. Who's quips (not even an argument) are being laughably weak really?
What about doc-dropping don't you understand? How can any video critical about religion be any worse than doc-dropping? You haven't provided any concrete example on thunderfoot's side.
VFX/PCS/Shawn misused the DMCA to silence criticism. He had it coming. thunderf00t was being nice not suing him.
@virumoz Oh, and on that note, I am NOT defending VenomfangX. There was more than enough wrondoing on both sides in that kerfuffle. I only use him as evidence of what Tbutt has done to others in the past.
Even if you would like to, I can't imagine a credible way in which you could defend Vfx. Wrongdoing on both sides? See, unlike the believers and DMCA abusers, thunderf00t documented everything, and he's continuing to do so: watch?v=8T1LrC2cmHI
Thunderf00t according to me, after watching explantory videos by drcraigvideos, has deliberately hid dr.craig´s website reasonablefaithdotcom. He did not give proper credit for the sources he cited. that´s the bottomline
@tingtangs It depends on how you define it. I dont know how much your are into scientific studies but your guru thunderf00t will also agree that you have to give credit of your sources.
@tingtangs what would you call deliberately hidding the web address. a fair use. I am not fan of Dr.Craig or anybody. I am just neutral guy who study science and in my mind thunderf00t is not so clean. I have seen it. you are fighting a wrong fight.
@sharpie443 Yeah. That's true. Well, it'll be interesting to see how this turns out, either way. I find drcraigvideos's channel to be helpful, but if what Tbutt says is true, then I'm very disappointed in him as a person.
Firstly -- you're right, Drcragvideos is probably the best place to see videos of Craig debating, lecturing etc., but whoever runs that channel is a troll. TF recently uploaded a video and barely touched upon drcraigvideos' behavior. I've personally seen the lengths he/she has gone through to harass other people (doc dropping, libel etc.)
@karausu So I've just recently been learning. I love the channel, but the stuff I've been learning about drcraigvideos has been very disturbing. If he's truly false DMCAing Tbutt, and without Dr. Craig's permission, he has gotten himself into a whole world of trouble.
@benthemiester Um, look up basically any video posted on Craig's site? You'll most likely find that it was posted on YouTube in "drcraigvideos", Craig's own YouTube account.
@tingtangs I doubt Dr. Craig is trolling on YouTube. He might not even be aware of all the stuff that drcraigvideos is doing. Gonna be hell to pay if he does discover it.
@gerhitchman The same way I delete this one.
DecKrash 1 week ago
Awful video
gerhitchman 2 weeks ago
@gerhitchman Awww... U mad, bro?
DecKrash 2 weeks ago
@DecKrash Just disappointed. I clicked this video thinking it would be something worth watching.... then you started talking.
gerhitchman 2 weeks ago
@gerhitchman It's so comforting to be reminded that people still know how to say so much about a guy's video without saying anything really intelligent. In short: So my angelic voice ain't that great. Haters gonna hate.
DecKrash 2 weeks ago
@DecKrash Oh I didn't mean to say you have a bad voice or anything. I meant that you provided no insight whatsoever into the "scuffle" and that you're an intellectually lazy twat.
gerhitchman 2 weeks ago
terrible speculation and short sightedness on every point you've offered. You do have your own opinions.
MrPhaedrusx 3 weeks ago
Very agree-able video.
MoonwalkerWorshiper 3 weeks ago
Great video, I agree with you completely. God Bless.
angelsandairwaves93 3 weeks ago
Rofl, you sir are an idiot believing without evidence. You're mirroring all you do yourself to actions other people.
Also, why should people shut up about people believing in stupid stuff, like ANY believer of ANY religion.
Itchyback 4 weeks ago
Lets see you claimed TF is a "jerk," so because he's a "jerk" that is grounds for he getting his videos taken down (aka. DMCA-ed). There is nothing in your presentation that TF broke the law.
PropheciesofWar 4 weeks ago
@DecKrash, you claim TF has "been an outright jerk and worst to the Christian community", how so? Provide a SPECIFIC example. You can't Pwn'ing religion with facts isn't jerk behavior, crying about such pwn'ing, what you're doing, is.
Two issues, one major and one minor:
1. Is use of a few SHORT clips of Dr. Craig in ANY video fall under "fair use"? This is major.
2. Is DrCraigVideos an official agent of Dr. Craig? This is minor.
The answer to 1 is YES, and so DrCraigVideos DID false DMCA.
ZangaroZen 4 weeks ago
I must say that I am tired of the idea that we need to be 100% respectful of islam. It is a racist, sexist, and violent religion. It is also the largest. I am an atheist and do believe that peoples freedom of religion is important. Just as important as our freedom of speech. Witch allows me to say these things. That being said islam is the biggest hater and threat to both these freedoms and much more. If a religion can’t respect these freedoms then it deserves 0 respect in return.
A55TRICKY 4 weeks ago 2
@A55TRICKY I thumbed up your comment.
MoonwalkerWorshiper 3 weeks ago
@MoonwalkerWorshiper Thank you much.
A55TRICKY 3 weeks ago
is craig a REAL doctor or is it just another phony religious thing ?
fekinel 4 weeks ago
@fekinel sure he is a doctor: Dr Lame
AgeOfReasonXXI 4 weeks ago
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EatMAndSml 4 weeks ago
Yeah, right, Tf00t's a jerk.
If you haven't still been blocked by pedantic drcraigvideos, just run a little experiment: leave a comment that minimally contradicts drcraigvideos' statement and then realize WHO'S THE REAL JERK!
maujo2009 4 weeks ago
I shed no tears for thunderf00t? So is what you are saying is that it's alright to break the law and try to unduly censor people as long as you really really don't like them?
AlexJTanner 4 weeks ago
I miss truthful Christian. He was fun to watch
Knightyme 4 weeks ago
wow right from the start you admil you have a bias and do not know facts.you admit you censor coments.you prefer to preach to your choir .mmm you really do have limited insight.
stealthgerm 1 month ago
@stealthgerm I admitted that I didn't know the facts so that people would excuse my seeming bias. And the only censoring I do is if people start getting ugly and insulting. Trust me, if I was as bad as you made me out to be, I'd have deleted your comment and blocked you already. You're welcome to comment as long as you're not downright ugly or trollish. As I state in just about ALL my videos, my only standing rule is to keep it civil.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash tbh, you are the one being 'bad' to begin with. The only thing this video is about is promoting a negative view of thunderfoot. If you want this to be civil, as you seem to favor, then you might want to point out what thunderfoot is doing wrong, instead of just saying bad things about him.
thrallsson 4 weeks ago
@stealthgerm And by the way, I gained a little bit of clarity to my views, if you bothered to watch my follow-up video.
DecKrash 1 month ago
Nice video, calm and reasoned, I just hope drcraigvideos hasn't got into a unnecessary bun fight. Not worth sinking to thunderf00ts level.
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@blatttman Calm and reasoned? What utter BS. He admitted to not knowing anything and being biased against TF! And then it turned out he was wrong.
Your irrational hatred of TF (based on nothing but your own inability to counter his argument) is just pathetic.
tingtangs 4 weeks ago
@smellyf00t1912 You are just a sock puppet for drcraigvideos. Stop playing this idiotic game.
tingtangs 1 month ago
Is Craig really a DR, or a DR in the way that kent hovind is. i.e. not.?
SOAS007 1 month ago
@SOAS007 Dr. Craig is a PhD. in Philosophy.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@SOAS007 "Dr." is the appellation given to an individual holding a graduate degree above the Master's level in either medicine (M.D.), science (S.D.), humanities such as philosophy, literature, linguistics, art, history, etc (Ph.D), or theology (Th.D). Craig holds doctorates from two accredited universities, Birmingham in England (phil) and Munich in Germany (theo). Unless you are prepared to remove accreditation from two world-renowned universities, then Dr. Craig is really Dr. Craig.
BoethianAcolyte 1 month ago
@BoethianAcolyte Kent Hovind, on the other hand, has received degrees from non-accredited universities, that is to say those without valid repute on the academic scene, and therefore is not an apt comparison. Furthermore, unlike Hovind, Craig is not a young earth creationist, so the comparison is exceedingly unfair.
BoethianAcolyte 1 month ago
@BoethianAcolyte "so the comparison is exceedingly unfair." Thanks, it was a genuine question. I see from wiki, the birmingham one, amongst the paper mills. It just that his arguments are as weak as Hovind. He just spouts that childish Kalum comalogical BS. But at least he is a DR.
SOAS007 1 month ago
@SOAS007 Well, as far as his arguments go, we're just going to have to disagree on that one. I am just frustrated by the flippant attitude that Craig's credentials are suspect because his views don't accord with someone else's views. As it happens, really smart, well educated people still have disagreements. It's the nature of discourse, and it frustrates me when people are willing to stoop to those levels. So sorry if I was a bit curt. Plus not lots of room on YT.
BoethianAcolyte 1 month ago
@BoethianAcolyte
It's certainly ok to disagree, but as far as weak arguments go, Victor Stenger pointed out that Craig seems unable to learn. In a debate, Stenger had corrected Craig's platonistic view of the physical world and some of Craig's non-sequiturs -- just to discover months later that Craig still used those same old, objectively falsified arguments.
Craig may be a decent debater and now his phil/theo stuff, but his arguments often don't touch reality.
virumoz 1 month ago
@virumoz Well, it seems like accusing someone of "being unable to learn" is a hardnosed way of not admitting that someone just doesn't agree with you. I haven't heard the debate between Stenger and Craig, but I know that Craig has openly disavowed Platonism several times, so I have a hunch it may be strawmanning. Simply because Stenger raised objections, it doesn't mean that Craig's positions are now false.
BoethianAcolyte 1 month ago
@BoethianAcolyte »but I know that Craig has openly disavowed Platonism several times« -- I'm sure he did whenever he found it opportune. I was talking about facts of physics.
virumoz 1 month ago
BTW, you should know that thunderf00t makes MONEY off of his own videos. So, when he uses footage of William Lane Craig from drcraigvideos, thunderf00t is making money off of Craig's back! thunderf00t is a parasite! And you're telling me he didn't deserve the DMCA? Give me a break!
smellyf00t1912 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912 Whoa! Down, boy! Who said that I was in support of Tbutt here?
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash You may not support Tbutt (or thunderf00t or thunderfart or whatever), but you said that the DMCA was ridiculous, didn't you? You said it falls under fair use, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. But, Tbutt is making money from his videos, and one of those videos includes footage of William Lane Craig. Footage that he got from drcraigvideos. drcraigvideos had to do the DMCA! Tbutt and his minions won't admit this part about the fact that he's using Craig for money. Will you?
smellyf00t1912 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912 Craig said that your account, drcraigvideos, was pirating his videos.
Who authorized you, a pirate, to file a DMCA on behalf of Craig?
TF is protected by Fair Use.
tingtangs 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912
BionicDance made a video detailing the process of accounting for fair use of others’ intellectual property within the YouTube partner program (see watch?v=p_IgDs2WDCw »Tutorial: Writing Revenue-Sharing Claims«). I'd be surprised if thunderf00t wouldn't follow YT's guidelines in this regard.
Further than that, thunderf00t is neither accountable to you, me or drcraigvideos for making money. Also read thunderf00t's latest bulletin: the DMCA was probably bogus.
virumoz 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912 Why are you too spineless to reply with your other account, "drcraigvideos"?
And so what if TF makes money? Jon Stewart makes money from The Daily Show, where he uses clips from others extensively. And so do a lot of other people.
You are basically admitting to abusing the DMCA because you think Fair Use should be something it isn't. And since you also have several accounts, they should all be shut down.
TF is well within Fair Use. End of story.
tingtangs 1 month ago
@tingtangs thunderfart is making money off of his own videos. And he's using stolen footage from drcraigvideos to do it! That's copyright infringement. Otherwise, he better start paying William Lane Craig.
smellyf00t1912 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912 Stop replying with your sock puppet account, drcraigvideos.
TF's use of Craig's videos is clearly under Fair Use, and your DMCA was completely unwarranted. You will now have all your sock puppet accounts, and your main account, drcraigvideos, removed from YouTube.
Remember, Craig himself said you pirated his videos!
tingtangs 1 month ago
@tingtangs Gentlemen, calm down. I said to keep it civil, and that is my only warning. smellyf00t, if you ARE drcraigvideos writing with a sock account, please grow a pair, and use your actual account to defend yourself. tingtangs, relax. You are right. drcraigvideos does not own the right to those videos; Dr. Craig does, so DCV has no right to DMCA Tbutt in this matter, unless, perhaps, Dr. Craig himself had a problem with it, and asked him to handle it.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912 Gentlemen, calm down. I said to keep it civil, and that is my only warning. smellyf00t, if you ARE drcraigvideos writing with a sock account, please grow a pair, and use your actual account to defend yourself. tingtangs, relax. You are right. drcraigvideos does not own the right to those videos; Dr. Craig does, so DCV has no right to DMCA Tbutt in this matter, unless, perhaps, Dr. Craig himself had a problem with it, and asked him to handle it.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash I am not drcraigvideos. But I support him and William Lane Craig.
smellyf00t1912 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912
And considering your account "suddenly" started just about the time this all did, your claim of "...not drcraigvideos..." is suspect
rflooker 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912 It is important for you to realize that it is not illegal to make money from commenting, doing parody, etc. underfair use laws. Think about that the next time you are watching one of those funny clips tv shows or just about any news organization. I'm going to try to give you unbiased suggestions: Retract your claim until you at least talk with an attorney. Your interpertation of the law is erroneous and it's going to come back to haunt you. Don't make emotional decisions!
thybigballs 1 month ago
@thybigballs Sorry. If you got that last posting. That wasn't meant for you.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912 And...? Those are Dr. William Lane Craig's videos. NOT drcraigvideos's videos. Also, my personal feelings about Tbutt in this are irrelevant. The main point is whether or not he was in the right for posting the videos. They misrepresent Dr. Craig; that much is true, but they are used for critique and overview. As far as I've been informed, they have not violated copyright laws - which drcraigvideos does not own any rights to in that regard, as far as I know.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash LOL! Okay, so I'll go ahead and mirror a Lady Gaga music video with a 10 second commentary, and say, well, it's MY video and I'll make money off of it, so what? If that satisifies you then be that way. My eyes are wide open. Those videos were given to drcraigvideos by permission. They're HIS! He has the right to DMCA.
smellyf00t1912 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@smellyf00t1912 Does drcraigvideos own the rights to them? Are they HIS videos, or are they the property of Dr. William Lane Craig, only posted on drcraigvideos' channel with Dr. Craig's permission? And I advise you to choose the phrasing of your response wisely, because if you get smart-alecky with me one more time, you will be blocked.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash William Lane Craig gave drcraigvideos permission to use his videos. William Lane Craig's website has a link to drcraigvideos' channel. If you DMCA someone you have to affirm you have AUTHORITY of the video. What drcraigvideos is doing is right. You shouldn't make money off of Craig's name, like one Tfoot is doing! I don't mean to be smart allecky but you haven't responded to my "Lady Gaga" argument. Would that be okay with you?
smellyf00t1912 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912
There is a problem with your gaga argument, gaga does not make claims of truth, Craig does, so it is common to show the actual claims, then refuting the claims made. echoing or claiming a video as their own, however is not fair use. if you simply play craig's videos, that is not fair use, drcraigvideos may/not have authority to show vid's but that does not give authority to dmca others, this has to be done by craig or his legal rep or risk being sued
rflooker 1 month ago
Can you give any specific instances of Thunderfoot twisting any "truths"?
thybigballs 1 month ago
@thybigballs Yes. Watch any of his video commentaries about Christianity, and then read some Christian apologetics publications, and you'll see what I mean.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash He asked for SPECIFIC instances. That means you should come up with at least one SPECIFIC example.
tingtangs 1 month ago
@DecKrash I have watched many of Thunderfoot's vids as well as Christian vids such as those of Mr. Craig. I am still am unaware of any specific "twisting of truths" from Thunderfoot, as you implied. I understand that you don't care for Thunderfoot(and I am unbiased about that) but could you please give me any examples off the top of your head of Thunderfoot manipulating anything that could be labeled as truth? I'm not looking to pick a fight...just curious of what you are referring to. Thx.
thybigballs 1 month ago
@thybigballs There are hundreds, if not more videos in response to what Tbutt's laughable misrepresentation of Psalm 23. Tektontv's response comes to mind most prominently. Also, rationalroundtable has commented on things that Tbutt has said in the past, including (I think) his video about Psalm 23. As I said before, Look at any of his videos about Christianity, and then read books like "Reasonable Faith," "The Case for Faith," When Skeptics Ask" and "When Critics Ask."
DecKrash 1 month ago
William Lane Craig's reasonablefaith website has a direct link to drcraigvideos blogspot in the 'links' section of his website, as well as a link to drcraigvideos YouTube channel in the 'audio-visual' section of his website. It is therefore very strange that Bill Craig would mention drcraigvideos by name, boast about his YouTube channel having over 4 million views, and then describe drcraigvideos as having 'pirated' his material.
dingodavid 1 month ago 5
@dingodavid He didn't mean "pirated" in a negative light. It's pretty obvious from his demeanor that he wasn't unhappy about it.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash
Whether he's happy about it or not, to use the term "pirated" implies that the videos were posted without WLC's permission.
SirKickz 1 month ago
@SirKickz Your point, sir? He obviously didn't care.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash
Whether he cares or not isn't the issue, is my point. If drcraigvideos is working under WLC's explicitly given position, then WLC is legally responsible for the actions of drcraigvideos, including the DMCA he filed against Thunderf00t. However, if drcraigvideos is NOT acting with WLC's permission, EVEN IF WLC ISN'T BOTHERED BY IT, then all the blame for that false DMCA falls squarely on the shoulders of drcraigvideos.
SirKickz 1 month ago
@DecKrash He DOES care, since "drcraigvideos" is obviously associated with Craig himself. Thus, Craig is guitly of abusing the DMCA.
tingtangs 1 month ago
Hey, DecKrash,
I corresponded with drcraigvideos and he gave me this response: watch?v=EfuIDuBprSI
In so many words, drcraigvideos told thunderf00t if he's going to take footage from his channel he should start telling his vieweres where he gets them from (at least mention his channel: "drcraigvideos"), because thunderf00t has a history of deliberately taking out "Reasonable Faith" links and information: watch?v=OR6MVnVLMHs
I hope that clears things up.
smellyf00t1912 1 month ago 7
@smellyf00t1912 YOU and "drcraigvideos" are one and the same person. Stop the deception already.
It doesn't matter i TF tells viewers where he got stuff from or not. Fair Use does not require you to do that.
You, drcraigsvideos, abused the DMCA, full stop.
And again, stop pathetically posing as someone else when everyone knows you are "drcraigvideos."
tingtangs 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912
"if he's going to take footage from his channel he should start telling his vieweres where he gets them from "
TF is under no obligation to do any such thing, if even DCV would own the copyright to the material he posts (which he doesn't). Besides, most of the videos can also be found elsewhere and it is VERY clear they depict material by Craig,
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 month ago
@smellyf00t1912 If you do not agree with drcraigvideos, and you say so on his channel, you are immediately blocked. Thus, thunderf00t cannot correspond with drcraigvideos. Now you blame thunderf00t that he does not mention drcraigvideos when he shows materials that is ALSO(!) contained on his channel. But you fail to mention that drcraigvideos is using Dr Craig's videos without mentioning the source himself. Which makes drcraigvideos a hypocrite.
I hope that clears things up.
wimahlers 4 weeks ago
@smellyf00t1912, you're entirely ignoring the reality of "fair use".
There is no obligation under the DMCA for TF or anyone else to provide advertisement for DrCraigVideos, ReasonableFaith, etc.
The DMCA does allow for clips to be used for critique, educational, non-profit, etc. which is the clear context of TF's video.
Dr Craig and DrCraigVideos will lose their DMCA claim, and never be able to live down their dishonesty. It was moronic for them to try false DMCA'ing TF.
ZangaroZen 4 weeks ago
I do watch TF vids but i have to say that i dont care for the guy that much. As soon as money was mentioned i lost some respect for him.
i think he has a right to question WLC. Craigs arguments are poor at best. I dont know why any Theist would take what he says as being good evidence for God. He has nothing to give.
holdontoyourwig 1 month ago
@holdontoyourwig I never said that TF didn't have a right to question WLC. And obviously, Dr. Craig is doing something right to have won the respect and admiration of atheists and theists alike. But this isn't really about him. Rather, whether what drcraigvideos is doing is right. The more I see about him, the more disturbed I have become.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash drcraigvideos blocked me after i made one or two comments on a video i watched. I was polite, but that makes no difference with him. He has blocked many people. There is a growing number of Theists who "comment pending approval" their videos so they can block users and censor comments. Even polite ones.
What drcraig did in my opinion was wrong and he may well pay heavily for it. Fair use is there for a reason.
holdontoyourwig 1 month ago
@holdontoyourwig I think you're meaning drcraigvideos in that last sentence, and if that's the case, then I agree. As I said in my video, he'll have hell to pay if it comes out that he's in the wrong.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash What do you think about the following facts?
1. WLC is clearly associated with, and promotes, "drcraigvideos"
2. The smellyf00t1912 attack account is clearly the same person as "drcraigvideos"
tingtangs 1 month ago
@tingtangs 1) I think that may change if drcraigvideos' actions come to Dr. Craig's personal attention.
2) Sock accounts are an act of cowardice and underhandedness. Hence my telling smellyf00t1912 to grow a pair and defend his views with his actual account.
DecKrash 1 month ago
There's a reason he's 'mean' to the mentally insane...
buktomsin 1 month ago
The DMCA is clearly false. The critique used 2 snippets of video which were completely in context with TF's observation. What I don't get is how mentioning that you think TF has been a jerk matters at all in this context? First of all, I don't think he is half as bad as the average apologist on tubes. I think that his valid observations, although sometimes a bit semantic, rub people the wrong way. That is the problem of those people, not the observer. Predicting lotto results is not being a jerk
Voxnulla 1 month ago
I hear you man.
benthemiester 1 month ago
3:30 DawahFilms dropped thunderf00t’s docs and worked towards having thunderf00t »fired«, but according to your superior Christian morals, *thunderf00t* is the hate monger?
3:54 »wether or not it was really right to do, I don't, uh, I'm still up in the air about it« -- that is moral relativism.
5:15 About »keep it civil«: how about the slanderous webpage about Theo Warner, accusing him of child pornography?
drcraigvideos and DawahFilms — those two are the ones you want to side with, DecKrash?
virumoz 1 month ago
@virumoz 1) Did I ever say that I sided with DawahFilms? D00d, I was uneasy about what he did to Tf00t, and still am. My "superior" Christian morals are a double-edged sword. I think that Tf00t was a bully and deserved to be taken down a peg, but I still question DF's methods in doing it.
2) Do you even know what moral relativism means?
3) What does that have to do with keeping it civil in my comment section?
4) If you watched the video, you know that I'm not "siding" with anyone.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash
So you're »still up in the air about it« wether DawahFilms actions were okay, but *I* am the one not getting moral relativism? Sure. In your opinion then, what *would* merit you rebuking DawahFilms (short of, oh I don't know, him killing thunderf00t)?
virumoz 1 month ago
@virumoz Because what is morally right sometimes isn't always 100% clear when multiple factors involved. I don't know DF's heart. If he did it for justice, then notifying his superiors was right to do. But if it was out of revenge, then no, regardless of the result.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash
Now I'm curious: what specific »hatemongering« statement against an antiquated (and even by *your* standards misguided) belief system made by thunderf00t justifies doc dropping and jeoparding somebody's life and job? What do you mean by »superiors«? Why do you give DF the benefit of an – in my view – unfounded doubt but not thunderf00t?
My guess: because DF is a theist like you, and thunderf00t is an atheist. This, my friend, is moral relativism.
virumoz 1 month ago
@virumoz Um... his life? Really? I don't think so. Also, throwing in "antiquated" does not diminish a belief, whether you believe it or not. Even I wouldn't use that laughably weak argument in discrediting a religion. And who said that I was giving DF the benefit of ANY doubt? I just said I don't know. There CAN be a reason for DF's actions to be morally justifiable, But in my opinion, there is no excuse for Tbutt, who has done far worse. Remember VenomfangX?
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash
I use »antiquated« (or wrong, or demented), and you write about some »Tbutt«. Who's quips (not even an argument) are being laughably weak really?
What about doc-dropping don't you understand? How can any video critical about religion be any worse than doc-dropping? You haven't provided any concrete example on thunderfoot's side.
VFX/PCS/Shawn misused the DMCA to silence criticism. He had it coming. thunderf00t was being nice not suing him.
virumoz 1 month ago
@virumoz Oh, and on that note, I am NOT defending VenomfangX. There was more than enough wrondoing on both sides in that kerfuffle. I only use him as evidence of what Tbutt has done to others in the past.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash
Even if you would like to, I can't imagine a credible way in which you could defend Vfx. Wrongdoing on both sides? See, unlike the believers and DMCA abusers, thunderf00t documented everything, and he's continuing to do so: watch?v=8T1LrC2cmHI
virumoz 1 month ago
Y u hating
TheJMan11000111 1 month ago
Brett Keane?
tingtangs 1 month ago
Thunderf00t according to me, after watching explantory videos by drcraigvideos, has deliberately hid dr.craig´s website reasonablefaithdotcom. He did not give proper credit for the sources he cited. that´s the bottomline
dubi186 1 month ago
@dubi186 Completely irrelevant. Fair use does not require you to provide sources.
Or do you think Jon Stewart's Daily Show should be taken off-air because it's infringing on people's copyright?
Get real.
tingtangs 1 month ago
@tingtangs It depends on how you define it. I dont know how much your are into scientific studies but your guru thunderf00t will also agree that you have to give credit of your sources.
dubi186 1 month ago
@dubi186 Scientific studies? TF's video is not a "scientific study." It is a YouTube video mocking Craig for his blatant hypocrisy.
This is not about science. It's about fair use! Sources are not required for fair use.
tingtangs 1 month ago
@tingtangs what would you call deliberately hidding the web address. a fair use. I am not fan of Dr.Craig or anybody. I am just neutral guy who study science and in my mind thunderf00t is not so clean. I have seen it. you are fighting a wrong fight.
dubi186 1 month ago
@dubi186 Stop trolling.
This is not about what you or I think is "fair use." This is about the Fair Use doctrine under the DMCA.
You are clearly not neutral, so stop lying. And your general opinion on TF is irrelevant to whether his use of video snippets is Fair Use or not.
tingtangs 1 month ago
@dubi186 There is no law for a requirement of giving sources.
thybigballs 1 month ago
@thybigballs thunderf00t does not impress me. There is hypocracy in him. He is not clean for me.
dubi186 1 month ago
He's covered under fair use any way you look at it.
sharpie443 1 month ago
@sharpie443 Do U mean drcraigvideos, or Thunderf00t, sharpie?
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash both actually come to think of it.
sharpie443 1 month ago
@sharpie443 Yeah. That's true. Well, it'll be interesting to see how this turns out, either way. I find drcraigvideos's channel to be helpful, but if what Tbutt says is true, then I'm very disappointed in him as a person.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash drcraigvideos is a liar who keeps making multiple YT accounts (like smellyf00t1912) to pretend that he has a lot of support.
tingtangs 1 month ago
Firstly -- you're right, Drcragvideos is probably the best place to see videos of Craig debating, lecturing etc., but whoever runs that channel is a troll. TF recently uploaded a video and barely touched upon drcraigvideos' behavior. I've personally seen the lengths he/she has gone through to harass other people (doc dropping, libel etc.)
karausu 1 month ago
@karausu So I've just recently been learning. I love the channel, but the stuff I've been learning about drcraigvideos has been very disturbing. If he's truly false DMCAing Tbutt, and without Dr. Craig's permission, he has gotten himself into a whole world of trouble.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash Actually, the drcraigvideos channel is being promoted on Craig's official site.
What do we think about that?
Is Craig trolling on YouTube?
tingtangs 1 month ago
@tingtangs Can you please tell me where. I cant seem to find it. I found site but not anything promoting the channel you speak of.
benthemiester 1 month ago
@benthemiester Um, look up basically any video posted on Craig's site? You'll most likely find that it was posted on YouTube in "drcraigvideos", Craig's own YouTube account.
tingtangs 1 month ago
@tingtangs WLC doesn't post his videos to you tube. Others do, and anyone with the proper and free app can do so.
benthemiester 1 month ago
@benthemiester Which part of "Craig is promoting drcraigvideos on his official site" is it that you do not understand?
Again, look up the videos on reasonablefaith org.
tingtangs 1 month ago
@tingtangs I doubt Dr. Craig is trolling on YouTube. He might not even be aware of all the stuff that drcraigvideos is doing. Gonna be hell to pay if he does discover it.
DecKrash 1 month ago
@DecKrash Then why is Craig promoting the YouTube channel on his official site?
tingtangs 1 month ago