I have a feeling this kid's gonna prove all his doubters wrong and be an impact player for the Maize N Blue.....He has a high football IQ...he takes good angles and is a solid tackler.
Ive read alot of people comments about him and they said not fast enough or athletic enough lol i was like what??????????????? thats his best attributes hes quick and tuff mix that with hard work and u have a sleeper on your hands
it's totally cool. i like seeing everyone's opinion but the kid doesn't have a life..... he just sent me an email that is literally 10pages long. NOT KIDDING......
Why is everybody arguing about things that have nothing to do with Ray Vinopal, I mean come on guys. This is a Ray Vinopal highlight video, not arguing about Junior Hemingway and Darryl Stonum.
haha. whatever man. Lets just hope dickrod turns this shit around that way the likes of brewhacunt don't have to start flame wars with fellow Michigan fans.
if u were a michigan fan, u would get behind whoever is running the team nd hope they succeed, not hating them. show some loyalty, instead of being a disgrace to the michigan fan base. thats what our rivals want to see, michigan fans divided.
Wrong. If I was a blind fool like you I'd get behind whoever supports the team even if he;s running the team into the ground. Sorry, but I will never support someone who's currently failing to do his job.
"show some loyalty"
I do. I've rooted for Michigan for 12 and a half years, and I've stuck by them even through the 5 losses in 2005, the 6 straight losses to Ohio state, the 4 game bowl-losing streak, and holocaust against app state, and
the 8-16 record the last two seasons. I've attended a dozen Michigan games in my life starting back when I was in 5th grade. So how about you shut the fuck up about my loyalty and explain to me why I should support dickrod!?
"thats what our rivals want to see, michigan fans divided"
name me a fan base that doesn't have various factions? For example, do you realize there was a faction of buckeyes fans that wanted Tressell gone after the 24-21 loss to Texas?
u just responded to me on a different vid nd u sounded like a great michigan fan, then u turn around nd send me this? plus, did u just support ur behaviour by giving an example of buckeye fans acting the same way u are now? my point was hating richrod does no good, if he gets fired, we will have to go through that transition phase again. i didn't like it when carr was fired but i stuck behind my tean, which includes its coach.
"this quote does not apply to me. See, I've been rooting for Michigan for 12.5 years and will continue to root for Michigan, and I want Rodriguez to succeed here"
LMFAO...NO YOU don't and the message RR sent out WAS to morons like you!You know Lisper the PooleWeasel, if Bullshit was music, you'd have a few gold records by now.
Look at this page, notice how I'm not the only person who has identified your stupidity? That should tell you something, but you're too damm ignorant!
BTW, turns out Morgan Trent was damn talented after all. Look at how well he did with Cincinatti this past season. He only played poorly in his senior year of 2008 cause of poor coaching and scott shafers deranged system. this proves my point that poor coaching can make you not productive even if you have talent
You're a fucking babbling idiot, stop wasting my time. The only point you've made out here is that you're a shitty fan and know nothing about football.
Now go drink your STFU, I'm done owning you out here Mr. Loser.
and why's that? I'm merely holding him responsible for the 8-16 record of the last two seasons. Sorry, but I demand results. I;m not going to just blindly support a leader who's failing to do his job.
" we will have to go through that transition phase again."
Not if we hire a good head coach who knows how to utilize the talent we have. Michigan still has a high amount of blue chip talent on the team (38 blue chip recruits for the 2010 season)
"i stuck behind my tean, which includes its coach."
I stuck by Michigan as well. But I chose not to stick my dickrod cause I firmly believe his is responsible for the 8-16 record, and I've explained this belief multiple times on multiple youtube videos. the head coach and the team are not the same thing, you know.
actually the head coach and the team are the same thing lol moron half the kids being recruited go there because of the coaches or the coaches who are recruiting them michigans past 2 season has some blame for rich rod but not all our lack of depth lack of experience and important positions and our defensive coordinators are wayy more at fault
any lack of depth we may or may not have had is irrelevant because a rash of injuries have not hit the starters on offense or defense in 2008 and 2009, and the far majority o the starters in both 2008 and 2009 were talented blue chip recruits-4 or 5 star recruits-whom the likes of USC, Florida, and Ohio State were pursuing. Dickrod had the talent to lead Michigan to at least 8 wins both seasons and WASTED it to the tune of an 8-16 record. For that he should be FIRED!
@Poole1Dan injuries didnt hit our rbs?? or our center where we had to juggle many of things to fix ?? and lack of depth affects everything practice mostly where u need bodies to get better and they may have been talneted in high school but those blue chips just havent lived up to there hypes and when u put that together with freshman qbs its never good
What you said ARE some of the problems we faced and I've already laid out this stuff to this idiot, but he lacks comprehension skills. I've pretty much let him ramble on about his non-sense, coming to a conclusion...he's a deaf, dumb and blind, Neanderthal ape....I've been arguing with a second tier primate.
Out of the 47 starters and co-starters on offense and defense each of the last two seasons, only 7 of them were inujured and missed games for an extended period of time (and by extended period of time I mean at least 2 games): Threet in 2008 (the final 3 games), McGuffie in 2008 (2 or 3), Minor in 2008 and 2009, Carlos Brown in 2009, Molk in 2009, and Odoms in 2009 (the final 4 games). And I would contend that Brown and Minor were not as dinged up as dickrod was leting on. so no, a rash of
Carlos Brown: he was fine in the first 4 games against Utah, Miamai, ND, and Wisky, but he only got 6 touches. Then he went down with a knee injury, but I question the extent of that injury as well. Look at how he came out of nowwhere against NW and rushed 23 tiems for 115 yards. I highly doubt Brown was that injured over the 5 games he missed, and its a selfe vident fact that he was fine in the firt 4 games.
He may not ahve been 100% in those first 4 games, but 75% of Brown is better then 100% of a true freshman. You don't bench brown and give him miniscule touches just because he's not 100%. Brown was fine, and dickrod simply failed to utilzie him
Brandon Minor: He only got 13 carrioes in the first 6 games, and nearly every damn time he touched the ball, he was making big plays:
the 21 yard scamper against Utah, and 15 yard TD run againt Miami, the 34 yard TD run against Wisky, and the 27 yard TD catch against Toeldo. Then he finally becomes the starter in the 7th game against penn State, and he looks like a Mike Hart clone. Just klimke with Brown, Dicjkrod took the approach that if Minor isn't 100%, that means he should ride the pine. Fucking bullshit!!!! Minor was fine, and dickrod failed to utilize him
injuries have NOT hit the team, and therefore, any lavk of depth has NOT been a problem.
"practice mostly where u need bodies to get better"
Oh please, what team other then Florida has players on the two deep who if they sgarted that season on another team would be all conference and all american? The bottom line is the 11 starters on the field for Michigan were mostly talented, experienced blue chip recruits, and dickrod wasted that talent. how can you not see this?
who cares what these kids were coming out of highschool lol if they dont perform in college under 2 different coaches then odds are there busts just like grady greg matthews and most others carr brought in who had no work ethic
" cares what these kids were coming out of highschool "
it matters what they were ranked coming out of highschool for two reasons:
1. The 4 and 5 star players are always very talented in terms of speed, agility, throw power, etc, which means that if a team like 2008 and 2009 Michigan have 40 out of 70 scholarship players who are 4 and 5 stars, then you cannot possibly say that dickrod didn't inherit any talent
2. 4 and 5 star players are MUCH more likely to be all americans and to be
really productive, whereas 2 and 3 star players are not nearly as likely to be productive. This makes sense because if you ahve more talent, then you should be more productive
so if you have a 4 star or 5 star play, AKA a blue chip recruit, who doesn't perform well in college, its not because 'they're just busts.' a player isn't talented one day then untalented the next. A blue chip recruit may not perform well for a variety of reasons, and in the case of Michigan, I beleive its coaching.why?
because with the 2008 and 2009 wolverines, you've got a team of players that was recruited for a traditional offense but had the spread option jammed down their throats by dickrod. you've got the fact that, in terms of talent and experience, the 2008 o-line was equal to the 2001 o-line yet performed alot worse. the 2008 line was coached by greg frey, the 01 line by Andy Moeller. you connect the dots. Then you've got the fact that Michigans defese returned 7/11 starters from a unit that
ranked 24th in 2007 in total defense and 23rd in scoring but fell to 81st in total defense and 67th ins coring defense. Players like Obi Ezeh and Morgan Trent regressed under dickrods defensive staff. Again, you connect the dots.
you've got the fact that dickrod threw alot of players onto the field on offense that he shouldn't have cause, you know, they weren't as talented or as expeirenced as the oens that should have been on the field. The ebst example of this is when
Kevin Koger was starting at tight end when it should have been Carson Butler. Now I think Koger is a very good TE, but you don't start a true freshman over a junior who's a RETURNING STARTER and he proven to be a spectacular receiving threat for a TE. Another good example is when Darryl Stonum was starting at outside receiver when Junior Hemingway should have been starting. Now granted, when Hemingway went down with mono after the wisky game, then i can understand why Stonum would
be starting. But Hemingway was barely utilized at all in the first 4 games when he was just fine, and as he proved with his 33 yard TD catch against Utah, Hemingway makes big plays when you throw him the football (not to mention he has a great blocker, as he proved with that 50 yard bubble screen against Miami). Stonum, on the other hand, was playing like shit all season outside of the Purdue game. Stonum never should have been starting over a proven, experienced player in Hemingway
299 posts...299 from this idiot on this page...OR, 41.4% of this page is pure, delusional, un-original, communist Bullshit from PoopeeDan1...pathetic...sorry RAY!
How much weed did you smoke when counting how many posts I've had? how long did it take you? It must ahve been at elast 5 hours what with all the recounting and posts marked as spam that you missed. and you probably had to go to the dollar store to get a calculator so you could caluclate the percentage of total posts that were mine.
You sir are one deranged lunatic. You;e the one who misses his meds every day, not me. You scare me. seriously
explain how any lack of depth we might have had actually hurt us on the field the last two seasons given 40 of our 47 starters and co starters on offense and defense have been fully healthy. Lack of depth was a minor issue at best
"horrible players playing"
like who? name me starters we've had that both lacked quality talent and played poorly, cause the only ones I can think of that fit this description are Mark Orttman, John Ferrara, and Obi Ezeh, and may i
remind you that ezeh was a freshmen all american who racked up 68 tackles in half a season starting under Steve morrison and Ron english in 2007. Oh, and there's also John Thompson. He lacked qwuality talent and played like shit.
so thats 4.....our of 47 starters.......who lacked talent and were unproductive.
Aside from the 2008 offense, the majority of the starters on the starting units were either returning starters or were upperclassmen, so this argument doesn't fly either. But I'll agree with you on this: Scott Shafer was a disastrous d-coordinator, and Robinson was a disapointment last year, although I really liked what he did with Stevie Brown and Craig Roh at those hybrid positions. Hopefully he makes productive players out of Ezeh and Moutan
@Poole1Dan and it doesnt matter if your a upperclassman u can be a senior and still beexperienced if its your first time starting or first time seeing major minutes and at our position where thats needed most and for most teams where its most important is the qb and thats whats hurt us
yes it does. If you are an upperclassmen then you have experience in the program and are more then ready to step on the field as a starter ans be productive. Hence why you see teams like Iowa and Wisconsin do well on a year to year basis: they redshirt like all their freshmen and have veteran bodies to step in and be productive even if they lost a ton of starters.
You are right that these upperclassment still are inexperienced in terms of actuially playing in the games, however, you're making it sound like Michigan threw a bunch of freshmen fresh out of highscool onto the field in 2008 and 2009, and that is simply false.
"and thats whats hurt us"
again, You had wretched offensive line play, bad defensive schemes, horrible tackling, no pass rush aside from Brandon Graham,
wrong playrs on the field at receiver and tailback, an offense that didn't fit the skillset of the players, special teams breakdowns, fumbles, and more. May gosh, don't you read the responses to your rediculous arguments?
I'm trying to think of a coach of a program that took over a worse situation and I can't really, and not by anyone's fault mostly. Just in 2007, if we simply had Mallett instead of Henne we lose against NW, MSU, Illinois. That means our record would have been 5-7 with a team loaded with talent. Now replace Mallett, 5-star prospect, with Threet or Sheridan. Then take away a NFL running back, 2 NFL receivers, and the number one overall draft pick. Pretty much impossible if you ask me.
"I'm trying to think of a coach of a program that took over a worse situation and I can't really"
How about like every coach that takes over a talent-deficient MAC team? They didn't inherit 41 blue chip recruits from a team that had made it to a NCAA record 33 straight bowl games. You appear to be another manically insane dickrod supporter
"That means our record would have been 5-7 with a team loaded with talent"
"Then take away a NFL running back, 2 NFL receivers, and the number one overall draft pick"
you are assuming that Michigan didn't have any quality players to replace what we lost, and that is FALSE. We had a very talented albeit inexperienced quarterback in Steven Threet plus a good dual threat option in Justin Feagin. We had two excellent tailbacks in Brandon Minor and Carlos Brown. We had 3 fine receivers in Greg Mathews, Junior hemingway, and Toney Clemons. we had a superb TE in Carson
As I explained in that message I just sent you, Feagin was an electrifying athlete with a pretty pwoerful arm whow as very productive in highschool and won the Class 2A player of the year award in Florida. He had offers from Alabama and LSU. By every defintion of the word, Feagin was a sleeper, and dickrod had him at his disposal in 2008, when Michigan had no other dual threat quarterbacks.
"Hemingway didn't play the whole year due to injury"
false. Hemingway was healthy for the first 4 games but then got knocked out by mono. Unfortunately he only started one of those games (the Miami game). Dickrod decided to start Darryl Stonum instead, and Stonum was a guy who drops everything thrown his way. You can argue that the failure to utilize Hemingway way more often cost us the Utah game
Yeah, in 2007, when he was stuck behind Manningham and Arrington, who each were way more experienced then he was. Mathews a high level 4 star prospect and a top 100 recruit who had 39 catches and touchdowns as the 3rd option behind MM and AA in 2007. He was widely considered to be the next Jason avant. Its doubtless he would ahve been just that had he been in the proper spread system and had he been utilized more
"Carlos Brown and Minor played well when not injured"
I could make the argument that brown and minor were not nearly as injured as we all think, however, the point is that Michigan had two quality tailbacks to replace Mike Hart, which was part of my original point.
Butler.We had quality players to replace what we lost from 2007. Overall, we had a roster talented and experienced enough to win at least 8 games and contend for a Big ten championship. I myself had predicted an 11-2 record. But instead we went 3-9. Why? Cause we had awful coaching, and that starts at the top with dickrod, who deserves to be fired. The 5-7 record in 2009 when we once again at Big ten championship talent was an abomination.Did I mention he's 0 and fucknig 2 against the suckeyes?
I'm done with this man. The fact that you predicted the 2008 team would go 11-2, that Feagin was a good quarterback, and that we had Big Ten Championship talent really shows you have no perception of reality and no ability to evaluate a football team. We had a walk-on and a transfer redshirt freshman quarterback. Maybe Rich Rod isn't the right coach for Michigan and we'll find that out in the next couple years. But you just have no business making the case because you don't know football
"We had a walk-on and a transfer redshirt freshman quarterback"
1. That walkon only started 4 of the 12 games, and 3 of those games we because Threet was injured. So there goes that argument
2. Michigan won big ten championships with freshmen quarterbacks in 1975 (Rick Leach), 1989 (Elvis Grbac), and 2004 (Chad Henne), so the argument that Michigan starting a freshmen quarterback dooms them to mediocrity or losing is a bad one
Just get back to Walt Wittman Community College, stop worrying about The University of Michigan, we'll be fine w/out you. You're not even close to being"ALL IN"...LOSER!!
"And, everybody else who is not all in, the hell with them." -Rich Rodriguez
""And, everybody else who is not all in, the hell with them."
Great quote. Shows the man is dedicated to making Michigan a great football program again, even though he's made all the wrong moves when it comes to his job description. But unfortunately for you, brewhacunt, this quote does not apply to me. See, I've been rooting for Michigan for 12.5 years and will continue to root for Michigan, and I want Rodriguez to succeed here.
1. That's the damn point!!!! Rich Rod was forced to start a walk on at QB!!! How can you rip on a coach with so little talent and experience at the most important position on the field.
2. It doesn't doom them, but it makes it a lot more difficult. Duh!
Yeah, for all of 3 games! and Michigan actually got a blow out win in one of those 3 games (the 29-6 win over Minnesota). In the other 9 games, Threet started 8 of them and replaced Sheridan in the 2nd half against Utah and nearly led us on an improbable 15 point comeback. So like I said, the walkon excuse doesn;t work
What's impossible is to show this raving idiot the truth, he refuses to see any other way but his own. I suggest you don't bother reasoning with him. He refuses to take his perscribed medication.
I vote to let him fill this page with all his garbage, THEN let him argue with himself.
And I'm done kicking your ass all over this board. You don't see the world for what it is...complex. Just like the sitiutation at Michigan...it's COMPLEX. I agree, no man is without blame, but there are several variables that you un-account for it's pathetic. It's easier for a one demensional person like yourself and point to one thing for the reason, for you it's RR.['m sorry, but you are wrong...way wrong. You pull shit out of that homo playground ass of yours to justify your cause..Pathetic!
Can't summarize can you? Nope you have to fill this poor recruits page with all your GARBAGE.
"when you say dickrod will win big, this is speculation that requires logic and reasoning to justify"
The fact that RR has won everywhere he's been IS justification. You contradicted yourself (like you always do) when you acknowleged that in fact "he's won everwhere he's been". There's no speculation there, it's FACT.
No I am not finished! I will continue to destroy all your arguments one at a time in crisp, articulate fashion until your epilepsy gets the best of you! If you can't take the heat, get out of the fucking kitchen. See, unlike you, I'm actually articulate. Its the product of an education, something you have no idea about cause you were busy loving in mommy's basement
"You contradicted yourself when you acknowleged that in fact "he's won everwhere he's been".
Once again your lack of an education and your epilepsy become self evident. You don't know the difference between acknowledging the past and speculating about the future. I accused you of speculating about the future. So how does that contradict my acknowledgement of the past. You're picking at straws cause I catch you in contradictions time and time again!
"acknowledging the past and speculating about the future"
That's all you do....speculate, this has been my point for 3 weeks, thanks for admitting that all you do is throw out opinions (taken from someone else) and speculate. AMEN!
the fact that you might know why something happens does not make it a good thing or an acceptable thing. I can say that I "know" why the economy has become rotten (it was a series of policies from the federal government, such as the establishment of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) but this does not mean I condone these policies and condone what has happened like you do with dickrod and with the state of michigan football. I believe in learning from the past and
" I support, don't always approve, but I certainly support!"
shit. whatever. I, for one, do not support miserable situations like the one dickrod has put michigan football in. I believe an attempt should be made to correct the problems Michigan football faces (or that the country faces). I believe in progress. You apparently do not. You're a malcontent, like I said before. And if thats what pleases you, then fine. But understand that I'm not like that. I will NEVER support a bad situation!
"I believe an attempt should be made to correct the problems Michigan football faces"
Right. And he is trying to make the situation better with recruiting. You want to blame RR, but the fact of the matter is, it's defense that is the problem. Hopefully GRobinson gets things going, 2 years with the same coach "should" be better.
" And he is trying to make the situation better with recruiting'
its a situation HE CREATED you dumbass! Michigan was an annual top 20 team before dickrod arrived, but under him we are 8-16. And now you say he's trying to fix the situation? why should we trust him to fix the window when he's the one who broke it in the first place?
" it's defense that is the problem"
1. the offense has been ranked in the bottom 50% each of the last two seasons and has only scored 22 PPG against big
ten competition in both seasons, so the offense is a HUGE part of the problem
2. The defense was just fine under Carr's fine coaching staff of English, Bedford, Morrison, and Stripling, but then dickrod brings in his defense and the shit hits the fan, depsite the fact that both defenses had their starting lineups littered with blue chip talent. once again, we have ourselves a coaching problem. once again, dickrod is to blame. He fired Carr's good assistants and hired his own stupid cronnies
"He fired Carr's good assistants and hired his own stupid cronnies"
You've obviously never been out in the real world pal, when a new string of owners come to an organization, RARELY, do they keep any of the old "cronnies" around. He kept Jackson, which really surprised me.
Again...DEFLATED!
*ALSO*
He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
"when a new string of owners come to an organization, RARELY, do they keep any of the old cronnies"
so what? If those new owners screw up like dickrod and his coaches have, then people (like me) call for their head and say the hire was a mistake! and BTW, its no suprise that dickrod kept Jackson. He's such a good runningbacks coach that even dickrod cou;dn't let him go. Too bad it wasn't the same story with English and the defensive staff.
Like I said, you've got a lot to learn, maybe you can go to college until you're 39 at Jokeland U, but in the real world, this is the way things are done.
"He's such a good runningbacks coach that even dickrod cou;dn't let him go"
I'm not going to bash Jackson, becaucse he's a good coach (from what I hear at least), but the REAL reason he kept him on was to obtain McGuffie. That there was documented.
again, how is the fact that Jackson was kept in order to secure McGuffies commitment relevant to the fact that dickrod made a good decision by keeping a good head coach?
"somewhere in the pile of shit he smeared all over this poor kids page"
As per ususual, it was YOU who got in my grill and started a youtube flamewar. I made a pithy post comparing Vinopal to Jordan Kovacs, and you got all snotty with me cause you envy me and want to be me after the refugee life you've lived as a highschool dropout. What am I supposed to do, take shit from you and not respond to what you say? Fuck that!
BTW, you still haven't told me which college you went to. Pussy
Its not. I'm just curious because you insist on calling the college I attend-Oakland University-a joke of a college but yet you won't say where you went, which tells me you are a fat, lonely, miserable college dropout with nothing better to do then masturbate to videos of dickrod while throwing baseless attacks at a random 20 year old who roots for the same team you root for.
Wait, I thought I was a HS dropout? LMFAO...you're a scetch Lisper!
"Its not. I'm just curious"
Sure it is, you're constantly asking me, sorry I won't satisfy your curiousity, like I said, it's not important for ME to impress YOU. And, ah, yeah, your school is a fucking joke. I mean it's good that you actually attend a higher learning institution and I'm awfully surprised you got in anywhere, but it's more like a community college on steroids.
Maybe you are. I don't know. Either way, your IQ is severly lacking, as is evident by the way I ass rape you in every debate we get into and reduce you to throwing fallacious ad hominem attacks at me instead of arguments of substance.
"but it's more like a community college on steroids."
again, if you're going to attack the school I go to, then be a man and tell me which college you went to, if any! You have no basis for attacking the college I
attend unless you went to a college that is better then mine, and seeing as you're not even saying which college you went to, this must mean that you didn't go to college at all, and if you did, its way worse then Oakland University. You're such a fucking loser. and to think I once liked you.
@Poole1Dan soo wheres them 41 blue chips at dumbass ??? and actually name some players who have played atleast a snap or still play w us ur a joke dude
I gave them to you! They are the 40 I mentioned plus Brandon Moore, who accidently missed the last time.
"actually name some players who have played atleast a snap"
whether they played a snap or not is irrelavant. Dickrod inherited them, so its his job to utilize them and develope them and get them playing time. Any lack of playing time they saw has nothing to do with them not being talented.
The 41 blue chip recruits that dickrod inherited were: Tim Jamison, Doug Dutch, Will Johnson, Mike Massey, Morgan Trent, Kevin Grady, Terrance Taylor, Cory Zirbel, Brandon Harrison, David Moosman, Brandon Graham, Stephen Schilling,Carlos Brown, Jonas Moutan, Stevie Brown, Greg Mathews, Adam Patterson, Jason Kates, Brandon Minor, Donovan Warren, Toney Clemons, Austin Panter, Ryan Van Bergen, Martell Webb, Michael Williams, Boubacar Cissoko, Dann O Neill, Darryl Stonum, J.B Fitzgerald,
@Poole1Dan lol hahahahhah thats not 41 u dumbasss and mike williams was not a blue chip player idiot and dan oneil doesnt even fucking count he hasnt seen one snap and doesnt play for us anymore dipshit so yea try again
thats still not 41 u jackass lol and morgan trent wasnt even ranked in the top 20 at his position you moron do you know what a blue chipper is ????? someone who is ranked highly at there position so no he wasnt a blue chip player
Morgan Trent under acheived so bad, but because he was a Carr player and had a decent ranking, RR "should have" been able to do something with him.....more "idealist" thinking from the the Mighty Lisper!
".....more "idealist" thinking from the the Mighty Lisper!"
Its not idealistic thinking it all. Like I told michiganallday2: players who play poorly under one coach play well under a new coach all the time, so why should we expect anything different from dickrod? Thats called being reasonable, not being an idealist.
And BTW, Trent was honorable mention all big ten in 2007 and made HUGE imnprovements on the field from 2006. He regressed under dickrods cronnie: Tony Gibson.
"players who play poorly under one coach play well under a new coach all the time"
Um...yeah..."ideally" they do fuck stain, but guess what.....they didn't so this makes you an idealist....you need to come to grips with it Lisper. That is NOT being reasonable, that's being an idealist...or YOU!
Trent was BAD in 07, give me a fucking break! He was part of the reason we lost to App. State AND Oregon, get your head out of your ass. Your problem is that you want to put Carr's short comings on RR.
bullshit! If something happens over and over and over again in a given situation (in this case, players playing poorly under one coach but playing well under another coach), then it is totally reasonable to expect that situation to repeat itself, or else you're just ignoring history and being a fool. So no, me expecting dickrod to tap the potentail of those blue chip recruits is NOT idealistic thinking, its REALISTIC thinking. But dickrod didn't
"If something happens over and over and over again in a given situation"
Like your miserable appearence on youtube?
"you're just ignoring history and being a fool"
No that would be you and your ignorance. IF, the word IF being the key here, IF RR had inherited a spread team, with players recruited for some variation of a spread offense, then you'd have a legitimate argument and I would agree, but this isn't the case. You are ignoring facts because they don't fit your lame ass argument.
"with players recruited for some variation of a spread offense"
But he DIDN'T inherit that team. He didn't get the deck of cards he wanted. Too damn bad!!
"You are ignoring facts"
like what? Every fact you've bothered to throw out has been shown to ahve no relevance to dickrods failures on the field. It would be like me saying hitler was evil, and then you responding by saying Mao Tse Tung was evil, therefore, Hitler was not evil. Makes no fucking sense
heyy whos better your guy threet or forcier just asking??? and yes nick sheridan did start and those starts do count him kovaks and leach all have started and many of kids have switched postitions because of the lack of depth just recently all state wr cam gordon had to move to Safety cuz we have no depth there so suck it
"whos better your guy threet or forcier just asking"
I like Forcier better. why? Cause he was more highly ranked then Threet and is a really good runner, unlike Threet, which means Forcier is more talented thnen Threet. More importantly, Forcier has an intangible which neither Threet nor most college quarterbacks have: moxie in the clutch. Forcier is AMAZING in the clutch. BTW, dickrod was a total IDIOT for pulling Forcier for D-rob on the potential GW drive against Iowa.
Paging Dr. Faggot again: I said that "MORE IMPORTANTLY, Forcier has an intangible which neither Threet nor most college quarterbacks have: moxie in the clutch. Forcier is AMAZING in the clutch.' I acknowledged that above all else, his PERFORMANCE is what makes me like Forcier more then Threet. You need tog et hooked on phonics BADLY
tap their potential ans create a big ten championship team out of them, just like Carr didn't. Which is one of the many reasons why dickrod deserves to be FIRED.
"Trent was BAD in 07"
Oh really? Then why did he garner honorable mention all big ten and rarely get beaten badly like he did in 2006 and 2008? Trent had a fine season in 2007. He did NOT get burned ONCE against Oregon or App State. He was actually an asset in those two games. The players who got burned in those two games were
Jamar Adams, Brandon Harrison, Stevie Brown, and especially Johnny Sears. look it up bitch. You;'re WRONG about Trent's performance in 2007, just like you're wrong about everything else
"you want to put Carr's short comings on RR"
You have yet to explain what carrs shortcomings have to do with dickrods shortcomings! You insanely think that carrs failure to develope blue chip talent is somehow an exoneratiopn of dickrods failure, and you've yet to explain this pathetic argument.
"You have yet to explain what carrs shortcomings have to do with dickrods shortcomings"
Eh,hello, earth to Lisper, come in Lisper!
You blame RR for Carr's recruits NOT producing. They weren't specifically recruited for RR's offense. Furthermore, they were UNDER-ACHEIVING players dumbfuck! Lets just end this silly argument, you're too ignorant to see the truth. Let's see what Kelly does with ALL those"blue chippers"at Notre Lame this season.Let's see how well those pro-style players fit Kelly!
"They weren't specifically recruited for RR's offense"
so what that they weren't recruited for dickrods shitty offense? It is still his JOB as the HEAD coach to train and develope them and put them in a system where they can SUCCEEED!! Or esle he's just wasting the deck of cards he was dealth cause he's busy complaining about not getting the deck of cards that 'he wanted.'
"they were UNDER-ACHEIVING players"
doesn't matter. they could have become productive had dickrod and his
assistants not done such a terrible job training and developing them, and had dickrod not forced his system upon them like a little kid trying to open a locked door
"Let's see how well those pro-style players fit Kelly!"
hahahah. wow. So now Brian Kelly's success or failure at Notre Dame will either convict or exonertate dickrod? wow. how lovely: dickrods job assesment will be determined by what some team-hopping douchebag does at Notre Shame!
"So now Brian Kelly's success or failure at Notre Dame will either convict or exonertate dickrod?"
Not completely, but eh, it is the same situation. You better hope they do well or I'll be coming after you some more little man!
"your idiocy never ends"
I'm trying to get you to understand how fucking stupid your comments make you look. How shitty your fanhood is. How you really have no legitimate argument. I've done that and some!
You can't handle the truth Lisper, you're a fucking idiot!
doesn't matter, cause Kelly is not the same coach as dickrod. He doesn't run the spread option like dickrod. He's never benefited off two superstars like dickrod did with Pat White and Steve Slaton. He's won national championships at the lower levels before, unlike dickrod.
Now I'm not saying Kelly will be the shit at ND. I for one think he's in over his head down there. The point I'm making is that Kelly is a vastly different coach from dickrod, ergo, any
"doesn't matter, cause Kelly is not the same coach as dickrod"
I call that back pedalling. But whatever, same situation, if he doesn't have a .500 season or better next year, you're up shit creek w/out a paddle kid-o!
how is it backpeddling? I mearly explained how using whatever happens at ND to convict or exonerate dickrod makes no sense because kelly is not the same coach as dickrod! Not to mention dickrod is the coach of MICHIGAN, not Notre dame, ergo, how could Notre shames situation POSSIBLY be a refelction on dickrod?
all you've done is shown that the situations are similar. You've done NOTHING to show how dickrod and kelly are the same, nor have you gotten over the fact that dickrod is coach of MICHIGAN, not Notre Dame, which means anything Notre Dame does will be IRRELAVANT to dickrods credibility.
I could say that Obama walked into the same bad economic situation as Reagn, so therefore, Obama is as good as reagan. by your logic, this would make perfect sense
"all you've done is shown that the situations are similar"
If Kelly goes to a bowl next season with his spread scemes put on these pro-srtyle athletes currently on the Domers Roster, then you might have a case. I doubt Kelly gets out next season. This will make your whole "sniff-sniff...RR inherited 41 blue chippers...sniff-sniff...then lost all those games with blue chippers..sniff-sniff" BS post a thing of the past!
No I won't. If ND does well under kelly nerxt season with the talent that they have, then kelly will show that he's a good head coach
"then lost all those games with blue chippers..sniff-sniff" BS post a thing of the past!"
No it won't. The argument will be the same, only Kellys name will replace dickrod. Any given head coach can utilize or waste talent. Kelly is no exception
"I could say that Obama walked into the same bad economic situation as Reagn, so therefore, Obama is as good as reagan. by your logic, this would make perfect sense"
None of your dribble makes sense, you're mixing political jargon with NCAA athletics...they don't mix dumbfuck!
"you're mixing political jargon with NCAA athletics."
its an analogy. I challenge you to debunk my analogies. you haven't done so yet, not on my Japs-Americasn POW's analogy, nor on this Obama-Reagan analogy. and no, labeling something as opinion doesn't discrddit the argument. an opinion can be right or wrong depending on the evidence around it, evdience which you repeatedly fail to present, hence making me the automatic winner odf the debate when you say "Opinion!" then move on
and BTW, you repeat the same bullshit arguments that the vehement dickrod supporters on mgoblog and other sites use, so you're also unoriginal. HYPOCRITE!
success or failure Kelly has at Notre Dame wiill neither exonerate not convict dickrod. I don't need to hope he does well, cause it won't vindicate me or hurt me either way. If he succeeds, it will vindicate his success at Grand Valley State, CMU, and Cincy, but if he fails, he'll end up neing another dead coach of the post-Lou Holtz world.
"I don't need to hope he does well, cause it won't vindicate me or hurt me either way"
The fuck it won't! Look at this page you slack-jawed twitt! You've stated that RR took over a program with "41 blue chippers" (that were Pro-Style athletes BTW) and wasted the talent. You just posted this you fucking Worm!
Same situation over at ND. They are stock piled with bklue chip, pro-style talent. Kelly is a spread coach.
which means that if Kelly makes ND a winner with that talent, then he will prove that he's a good head coach, but if ND loses under him, then he'll prove that he's a bad head coach who wasted talent, just like Bob Davie, Ty Whillingham, and Charlie Weis did. So again, how does Kelly success or failure vindicate or exonerate what i've been saying about dickrod?
"which means that if Kelly makes ND a winner with that talent, then he will prove that he's a good head coach"
It might, but the same situation exists. Pro-style team moving to a Kelly spread. RR comes to a Pro-Style team moving to a spread. You will clearly see how difficult it is to WIN with a Pro-Style team and a spread coach!
I don't deny that the same situation exists. But again, you have failed to show how dickrod is the same as Kelly, and you've also failed to get around the fact that dickrod coaches Michigan, not Notre Dame. Until you get around these two facts-which destroy your entire argument that what Notre Dame does will exonerate or convict dickrod-then you have no leg to stand on (which is pretty common of you anyways)
nice vid. thanks
joshthomas111 11 months ago
Anybody who doesn't think this could could be a STUD is seriously mistaken... he's like a stronger, faster jordan kovacs
HailToTheVictors21 1 year ago
this player is amazing
bc379 1 year ago
I have a feeling this kid's gonna prove all his doubters wrong and be an impact player for the Maize N Blue.....He has a high football IQ...he takes good angles and is a solid tackler.
ultimoshogun 1 year ago
I agree with you shogun, just having him on the roster is a plus!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
Ive read alot of people comments about him and they said not fast enough or athletic enough lol i was like what??????????????? thats his best attributes hes quick and tuff mix that with hard work and u have a sleeper on your hands
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
I just did everyone a favor and blocked Poole1Dan. He had diarea of the mouth.
ActionHighlights 1 year ago 2
Thank you!
And I'm sorry about all the garbage!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
it's totally cool. i like seeing everyone's opinion but the kid doesn't have a life..... he just sent me an email that is literally 10pages long. NOT KIDDING......
ActionHighlights 1 year ago
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Brewhaman 1 year ago
thank you all you did us a favor lol
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
Why is everybody arguing about things that have nothing to do with Ray Vinopal, I mean come on guys. This is a Ray Vinopal highlight video, not arguing about Junior Hemingway and Darryl Stonum.
maizenbluedynasty 1 year ago
poole1dan
shut the fuck up.
thats all... peace.
go blue
chrischris517 1 year ago 2
haha. whatever man. Lets just hope dickrod turns this shit around that way the likes of brewhacunt don't have to start flame wars with fellow Michigan fans.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
if u were a michigan fan, u would get behind whoever is running the team nd hope they succeed, not hating them. show some loyalty, instead of being a disgrace to the michigan fan base. thats what our rivals want to see, michigan fans divided.
rockediny 1 year ago
"u would get behind whoever is running the team"
Wrong. If I was a blind fool like you I'd get behind whoever supports the team even if he;s running the team into the ground. Sorry, but I will never support someone who's currently failing to do his job.
"show some loyalty"
I do. I've rooted for Michigan for 12 and a half years, and I've stuck by them even through the 5 losses in 2005, the 6 straight losses to Ohio state, the 4 game bowl-losing streak, and holocaust against app state, and
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
the 8-16 record the last two seasons. I've attended a dozen Michigan games in my life starting back when I was in 5th grade. So how about you shut the fuck up about my loyalty and explain to me why I should support dickrod!?
"thats what our rivals want to see, michigan fans divided"
name me a fan base that doesn't have various factions? For example, do you realize there was a faction of buckeyes fans that wanted Tressell gone after the 24-21 loss to Texas?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
u just responded to me on a different vid nd u sounded like a great michigan fan, then u turn around nd send me this? plus, did u just support ur behaviour by giving an example of buckeye fans acting the same way u are now? my point was hating richrod does no good, if he gets fired, we will have to go through that transition phase again. i didn't like it when carr was fired but i stuck behind my tean, which includes its coach.
rockediny 1 year ago 3
"then u turn around nd send me this?"
you're the one who questioned my loyalty to Michigan, pal. If you do that, i'm going to get snotty with you.
"did u just support ur behaviour by giving an example of buckeye fans acting the same way u are now?"
Yes I did. The way I see it, if other fanbases have various factions, then why can't Michigan fans behave the same way?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"this quote does not apply to me. See, I've been rooting for Michigan for 12.5 years and will continue to root for Michigan, and I want Rodriguez to succeed here"
LMFAO...NO YOU don't and the message RR sent out WAS to morons like you!You know Lisper the PooleWeasel, if Bullshit was music, you'd have a few gold records by now.
Look at this page, notice how I'm not the only person who has identified your stupidity? That should tell you something, but you're too damm ignorant!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"LMFAO...NO YOU don't"
once again you give no evidence to back up your baseless claims. Point, Poole1Dan
"notice how I'm not the only person who has identified your stupidity?"
"The authority of a thousand is not worth the humbling of a single individual"-Galileo
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
BTW, turns out Morgan Trent was damn talented after all. Look at how well he did with Cincinatti this past season. He only played poorly in his senior year of 2008 cause of poor coaching and scott shafers deranged system. this proves my point that poor coaching can make you not productive even if you have talent
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
You're a fucking babbling idiot, stop wasting my time. The only point you've made out here is that you're a shitty fan and know nothing about football.
Now go drink your STFU, I'm done owning you out here Mr. Loser.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
Your not a michigan fan .............Bye go root for state
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
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"my point was hating richrod does no good"
and why's that? I'm merely holding him responsible for the 8-16 record of the last two seasons. Sorry, but I demand results. I;m not going to just blindly support a leader who's failing to do his job.
" we will have to go through that transition phase again."
Not if we hire a good head coach who knows how to utilize the talent we have. Michigan still has a high amount of blue chip talent on the team (38 blue chip recruits for the 2010 season)
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"i stuck behind my tean, which includes its coach."
I stuck by Michigan as well. But I chose not to stick my dickrod cause I firmly believe his is responsible for the 8-16 record, and I've explained this belief multiple times on multiple youtube videos. the head coach and the team are not the same thing, you know.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"the head coach and the team are not the same thing"
Sigh....(as I roll my eyes).
Brewhaman 1 year ago
actually the head coach and the team are the same thing lol moron half the kids being recruited go there because of the coaches or the coaches who are recruiting them michigans past 2 season has some blame for rich rod but not all our lack of depth lack of experience and important positions and our defensive coordinators are wayy more at fault
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
"the head coach and the team are the same thing"
No they are not
Head Coach: the person who is in OVERALL CHARGE of a team and the strategy in games
Team: a NUMBER OF PERSONS associated together in work or activity; a group on one side
The dictionary contradicts you son. Eat shit
"half the kids being recruited go there because of the coaches"
whats your point? That I;m supposed to stop with my fire dickrod mantra cause he's bringing in players who may or may not be good?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"our lack of depth"
any lack of depth we may or may not have had is irrelevant because a rash of injuries have not hit the starters on offense or defense in 2008 and 2009, and the far majority o the starters in both 2008 and 2009 were talented blue chip recruits-4 or 5 star recruits-whom the likes of USC, Florida, and Ohio State were pursuing. Dickrod had the talent to lead Michigan to at least 8 wins both seasons and WASTED it to the tune of an 8-16 record. For that he should be FIRED!
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
@Poole1Dan injuries didnt hit our rbs?? or our center where we had to juggle many of things to fix ?? and lack of depth affects everything practice mostly where u need bodies to get better and they may have been talneted in high school but those blue chips just havent lived up to there hypes and when u put that together with freshman qbs its never good
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
What you said ARE some of the problems we faced and I've already laid out this stuff to this idiot, but he lacks comprehension skills. I've pretty much let him ramble on about his non-sense, coming to a conclusion...he's a deaf, dumb and blind, Neanderthal ape....I've been arguing with a second tier primate.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
Out of the 47 starters and co-starters on offense and defense each of the last two seasons, only 7 of them were inujured and missed games for an extended period of time (and by extended period of time I mean at least 2 games): Threet in 2008 (the final 3 games), McGuffie in 2008 (2 or 3), Minor in 2008 and 2009, Carlos Brown in 2009, Molk in 2009, and Odoms in 2009 (the final 4 games). And I would contend that Brown and Minor were not as dinged up as dickrod was leting on. so no, a rash of
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
brown and minor werent dinged up ??? lol those guys have been hurt ever since they stepped foot on campus
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
Carlos Brown: he was fine in the first 4 games against Utah, Miamai, ND, and Wisky, but he only got 6 touches. Then he went down with a knee injury, but I question the extent of that injury as well. Look at how he came out of nowwhere against NW and rushed 23 tiems for 115 yards. I highly doubt Brown was that injured over the 5 games he missed, and its a selfe vident fact that he was fine in the firt 4 games.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
He may not ahve been 100% in those first 4 games, but 75% of Brown is better then 100% of a true freshman. You don't bench brown and give him miniscule touches just because he's not 100%. Brown was fine, and dickrod simply failed to utilzie him
Brandon Minor: He only got 13 carrioes in the first 6 games, and nearly every damn time he touched the ball, he was making big plays:
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
the 21 yard scamper against Utah, and 15 yard TD run againt Miami, the 34 yard TD run against Wisky, and the 27 yard TD catch against Toeldo. Then he finally becomes the starter in the 7th game against penn State, and he looks like a Mike Hart clone. Just klimke with Brown, Dicjkrod took the approach that if Minor isn't 100%, that means he should ride the pine. Fucking bullshit!!!! Minor was fine, and dickrod failed to utilize him
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
injuries have NOT hit the team, and therefore, any lavk of depth has NOT been a problem.
"practice mostly where u need bodies to get better"
Oh please, what team other then Florida has players on the two deep who if they sgarted that season on another team would be all conference and all american? The bottom line is the 11 starters on the field for Michigan were mostly talented, experienced blue chip recruits, and dickrod wasted that talent. how can you not see this?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
who cares what these kids were coming out of highschool lol if they dont perform in college under 2 different coaches then odds are there busts just like grady greg matthews and most others carr brought in who had no work ethic
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
" cares what these kids were coming out of highschool "
it matters what they were ranked coming out of highschool for two reasons:
1. The 4 and 5 star players are always very talented in terms of speed, agility, throw power, etc, which means that if a team like 2008 and 2009 Michigan have 40 out of 70 scholarship players who are 4 and 5 stars, then you cannot possibly say that dickrod didn't inherit any talent
2. 4 and 5 star players are MUCH more likely to be all americans and to be
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
really productive, whereas 2 and 3 star players are not nearly as likely to be productive. This makes sense because if you ahve more talent, then you should be more productive
so if you have a 4 star or 5 star play, AKA a blue chip recruit, who doesn't perform well in college, its not because 'they're just busts.' a player isn't talented one day then untalented the next. A blue chip recruit may not perform well for a variety of reasons, and in the case of Michigan, I beleive its coaching.why?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
because with the 2008 and 2009 wolverines, you've got a team of players that was recruited for a traditional offense but had the spread option jammed down their throats by dickrod. you've got the fact that, in terms of talent and experience, the 2008 o-line was equal to the 2001 o-line yet performed alot worse. the 2008 line was coached by greg frey, the 01 line by Andy Moeller. you connect the dots. Then you've got the fact that Michigans defese returned 7/11 starters from a unit that
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
ranked 24th in 2007 in total defense and 23rd in scoring but fell to 81st in total defense and 67th ins coring defense. Players like Obi Ezeh and Morgan Trent regressed under dickrods defensive staff. Again, you connect the dots.
you've got the fact that dickrod threw alot of players onto the field on offense that he shouldn't have cause, you know, they weren't as talented or as expeirenced as the oens that should have been on the field. The ebst example of this is when
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
Kevin Koger was starting at tight end when it should have been Carson Butler. Now I think Koger is a very good TE, but you don't start a true freshman over a junior who's a RETURNING STARTER and he proven to be a spectacular receiving threat for a TE. Another good example is when Darryl Stonum was starting at outside receiver when Junior Hemingway should have been starting. Now granted, when Hemingway went down with mono after the wisky game, then i can understand why Stonum would
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
be starting. But Hemingway was barely utilized at all in the first 4 games when he was just fine, and as he proved with his 33 yard TD catch against Utah, Hemingway makes big plays when you throw him the football (not to mention he has a great blocker, as he proved with that 50 yard bubble screen against Miami). Stonum, on the other hand, was playing like shit all season outside of the Purdue game. Stonum never should have been starting over a proven, experienced player in Hemingway
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
Bottom line: ot was BAD COACHING that fucked us over the last two seasons. NOT a lack of talent or expeirence.
want more eivdence? cause I'll give you plenty of more evidence
Go Blue
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
it wasnt only bad coaching it was lack of depth and horrible players playing threet sheridan and our linebackers
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
299 posts...299 from this idiot on this page...OR, 41.4% of this page is pure, delusional, un-original, communist Bullshit from PoopeeDan1...pathetic...sorry RAY!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"299 posts...299 from this idiot on this page"
How much weed did you smoke when counting how many posts I've had? how long did it take you? It must ahve been at elast 5 hours what with all the recounting and posts marked as spam that you missed. and you probably had to go to the dollar store to get a calculator so you could caluclate the percentage of total posts that were mine.
You sir are one deranged lunatic. You;e the one who misses his meds every day, not me. You scare me. seriously
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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Brewhaman 1 year ago
@Poopee1Dan,
Yes, it took a while, you've pretty much shit smeared half of this solid recruits highlight video with all your idealist propaganda...nice job Lisper!
"You scare me. seriously"
I know...you're a big, hairy, walking vagina, that wasn't a tough task!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
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"it was lack of depth"
explain how any lack of depth we might have had actually hurt us on the field the last two seasons given 40 of our 47 starters and co starters on offense and defense have been fully healthy. Lack of depth was a minor issue at best
"horrible players playing"
like who? name me starters we've had that both lacked quality talent and played poorly, cause the only ones I can think of that fit this description are Mark Orttman, John Ferrara, and Obi Ezeh, and may i
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
remind you that ezeh was a freshmen all american who racked up 68 tackles in half a season starting under Steve morrison and Ron english in 2007. Oh, and there's also John Thompson. He lacked qwuality talent and played like shit.
so thats 4.....our of 47 starters.......who lacked talent and were unproductive.
and you're saying we had shitty players?
ROFLMFAO!!
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"lack of experience"
Aside from the 2008 offense, the majority of the starters on the starting units were either returning starters or were upperclassmen, so this argument doesn't fly either. But I'll agree with you on this: Scott Shafer was a disastrous d-coordinator, and Robinson was a disapointment last year, although I really liked what he did with Stevie Brown and Craig Roh at those hybrid positions. Hopefully he makes productive players out of Ezeh and Moutan
Go Blue!
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
@Poole1Dan and it doesnt matter if your a upperclassman u can be a senior and still beexperienced if its your first time starting or first time seeing major minutes and at our position where thats needed most and for most teams where its most important is the qb and thats whats hurt us
TheGloveMI 1 year ago
" it doesnt matter if your a upperclassman '
yes it does. If you are an upperclassmen then you have experience in the program and are more then ready to step on the field as a starter ans be productive. Hence why you see teams like Iowa and Wisconsin do well on a year to year basis: they redshirt like all their freshmen and have veteran bodies to step in and be productive even if they lost a ton of starters.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"or first time seeing major minutes"
You are right that these upperclassment still are inexperienced in terms of actuially playing in the games, however, you're making it sound like Michigan threw a bunch of freshmen fresh out of highscool onto the field in 2008 and 2009, and that is simply false.
"and thats whats hurt us"
again, You had wretched offensive line play, bad defensive schemes, horrible tackling, no pass rush aside from Brandon Graham,
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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wrong playrs on the field at receiver and tailback, an offense that didn't fit the skillset of the players, special teams breakdowns, fumbles, and more. May gosh, don't you read the responses to your rediculous arguments?
Go Blue
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
He's not a Michigan fan...look at his channel, the proof is in the pudding, but in his case, the proof is in all his bullshit!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
Dont worry man what u said is what all true michigan fans think and say fooledan1 is just a moron
TheGloveMI 1 year ago 2
LOL!! This kids an idiot!
~GO BLUE!!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
I'm trying to think of a coach of a program that took over a worse situation and I can't really, and not by anyone's fault mostly. Just in 2007, if we simply had Mallett instead of Henne we lose against NW, MSU, Illinois. That means our record would have been 5-7 with a team loaded with talent. Now replace Mallett, 5-star prospect, with Threet or Sheridan. Then take away a NFL running back, 2 NFL receivers, and the number one overall draft pick. Pretty much impossible if you ask me.
sportsfreak800 1 year ago
"I'm trying to think of a coach of a program that took over a worse situation and I can't really"
How about like every coach that takes over a talent-deficient MAC team? They didn't inherit 41 blue chip recruits from a team that had made it to a NCAA record 33 straight bowl games. You appear to be another manically insane dickrod supporter
"That means our record would have been 5-7 with a team loaded with talent"
and most of that loaded team was BACK for 2008
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"Then take away a NFL running back, 2 NFL receivers, and the number one overall draft pick"
you are assuming that Michigan didn't have any quality players to replace what we lost, and that is FALSE. We had a very talented albeit inexperienced quarterback in Steven Threet plus a good dual threat option in Justin Feagin. We had two excellent tailbacks in Brandon Minor and Carlos Brown. We had 3 fine receivers in Greg Mathews, Junior hemingway, and Toney Clemons. we had a superb TE in Carson
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"We had a very talented albeit inexperienced quarterback in Steven Threet plus a good dual threat option in Justin Feagin"
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
Feagin was very lowly rated guy RR picked up as a flyer late in the recruiting process. In no way could he be considered good.
Hemingway didn't play the whole year due to injury.
Greg Mathews was a third reciever, not even close to the talent of Manningham.
Carlos Brown and Minor played well when not injured.
sportsfreak800 1 year ago
"In no way could he be considered good."
As I explained in that message I just sent you, Feagin was an electrifying athlete with a pretty pwoerful arm whow as very productive in highschool and won the Class 2A player of the year award in Florida. He had offers from Alabama and LSU. By every defintion of the word, Feagin was a sleeper, and dickrod had him at his disposal in 2008, when Michigan had no other dual threat quarterbacks.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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"Feagin was an electrifying athlete with a pretty pwoerful arm"
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"Hemingway didn't play the whole year due to injury"
false. Hemingway was healthy for the first 4 games but then got knocked out by mono. Unfortunately he only started one of those games (the Miami game). Dickrod decided to start Darryl Stonum instead, and Stonum was a guy who drops everything thrown his way. You can argue that the failure to utilize Hemingway way more often cost us the Utah game
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"Greg Mathews was a third reciever"
Yeah, in 2007, when he was stuck behind Manningham and Arrington, who each were way more experienced then he was. Mathews a high level 4 star prospect and a top 100 recruit who had 39 catches and touchdowns as the 3rd option behind MM and AA in 2007. He was widely considered to be the next Jason avant. Its doubtless he would ahve been just that had he been in the proper spread system and had he been utilized more
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"Carlos Brown and Minor played well when not injured"
I could make the argument that brown and minor were not nearly as injured as we all think, however, the point is that Michigan had two quality tailbacks to replace Mike Hart, which was part of my original point.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
Butler.We had quality players to replace what we lost from 2007. Overall, we had a roster talented and experienced enough to win at least 8 games and contend for a Big ten championship. I myself had predicted an 11-2 record. But instead we went 3-9. Why? Cause we had awful coaching, and that starts at the top with dickrod, who deserves to be fired. The 5-7 record in 2009 when we once again at Big ten championship talent was an abomination.Did I mention he's 0 and fucknig 2 against the suckeyes?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
I'm done with this man. The fact that you predicted the 2008 team would go 11-2, that Feagin was a good quarterback, and that we had Big Ten Championship talent really shows you have no perception of reality and no ability to evaluate a football team. We had a walk-on and a transfer redshirt freshman quarterback. Maybe Rich Rod isn't the right coach for Michigan and we'll find that out in the next couple years. But you just have no business making the case because you don't know football
sportsfreak800 1 year ago
"We had a walk-on and a transfer redshirt freshman quarterback"
1. That walkon only started 4 of the 12 games, and 3 of those games we because Threet was injured. So there goes that argument
2. Michigan won big ten championships with freshmen quarterbacks in 1975 (Rick Leach), 1989 (Elvis Grbac), and 2004 (Chad Henne), so the argument that Michigan starting a freshmen quarterback dooms them to mediocrity or losing is a bad one
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
Just get back to Walt Wittman Community College, stop worrying about The University of Michigan, we'll be fine w/out you. You're not even close to being"ALL IN"...LOSER!!
"And, everybody else who is not all in, the hell with them." -Rich Rodriguez
Brewhaman 1 year ago
@Brewhaman Agreed. You're right. No point in arguing with this guy. I'm all in!!
Go Blue!
sportsfreak800 1 year ago
I'm right along with you sportsfreak800!
~GO BLUE!!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
""And, everybody else who is not all in, the hell with them."
Great quote. Shows the man is dedicated to making Michigan a great football program again, even though he's made all the wrong moves when it comes to his job description. But unfortunately for you, brewhacunt, this quote does not apply to me. See, I've been rooting for Michigan for 12.5 years and will continue to root for Michigan, and I want Rodriguez to succeed here.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
1. That's the damn point!!!! Rich Rod was forced to start a walk on at QB!!! How can you rip on a coach with so little talent and experience at the most important position on the field.
2. It doesn't doom them, but it makes it a lot more difficult. Duh!
sportsfreak800 1 year ago
"Rich Rod was forced to start a walk on at QB!!!"
Yeah, for all of 3 games! and Michigan actually got a blow out win in one of those 3 games (the 29-6 win over Minnesota). In the other 9 games, Threet started 8 of them and replaced Sheridan in the 2nd half against Utah and nearly led us on an improbable 15 point comeback. So like I said, the walkon excuse doesn;t work
"It doesn't doom them"
My point exactly. Thanks.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
What's impossible is to show this raving idiot the truth, he refuses to see any other way but his own. I suggest you don't bother reasoning with him. He refuses to take his perscribed medication.
I vote to let him fill this page with all his garbage, THEN let him argue with himself.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
And I'm done kicking your ass all over this board. You don't see the world for what it is...complex. Just like the sitiutation at Michigan...it's COMPLEX. I agree, no man is without blame, but there are several variables that you un-account for it's pathetic. It's easier for a one demensional person like yourself and point to one thing for the reason, for you it's RR.['m sorry, but you are wrong...way wrong. You pull shit out of that homo playground ass of yours to justify your cause..Pathetic!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"but there are several variables that you un-account for"
Like what? The defense? I've explained to you already that dickrod indirectly caused that by replacing carrs good staff with his own shitty staff.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
WOW! Are you finished?
Can't summarize can you? Nope you have to fill this poor recruits page with all your GARBAGE.
"when you say dickrod will win big, this is speculation that requires logic and reasoning to justify"
The fact that RR has won everywhere he's been IS justification. You contradicted yourself (like you always do) when you acknowleged that in fact "he's won everwhere he's been". There's no speculation there, it's FACT.
Brewhaman 100, Lisper 0
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"Can't summarize can you?"
No I am not finished! I will continue to destroy all your arguments one at a time in crisp, articulate fashion until your epilepsy gets the best of you! If you can't take the heat, get out of the fucking kitchen. See, unlike you, I'm actually articulate. Its the product of an education, something you have no idea about cause you were busy loving in mommy's basement
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"The fact that RR has won everywhere he's been IS justification"
No its not! You fail to take into account two facts:
1. He had all his success with a podunk team (West Virginia) in a podunk conference (the Big east).
2. He didn't even have great success until he lucked into Pat White and Steve Slaton. Before them, his teams were average or just plain bad
Dickrods success at WVU is tainted. So again, where's your justification?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"You contradicted yourself when you acknowleged that in fact "he's won everwhere he's been".
Once again your lack of an education and your epilepsy become self evident. You don't know the difference between acknowledging the past and speculating about the future. I accused you of speculating about the future. So how does that contradict my acknowledgement of the past. You're picking at straws cause I catch you in contradictions time and time again!
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"acknowledging the past and speculating about the future"
That's all you do....speculate, this has been my point for 3 weeks, thanks for admitting that all you do is throw out opinions (taken from someone else) and speculate. AMEN!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"There's no speculation there, it's FACT."
Whats not speculation? Predicting the future? If thats what you meant, then you are wrong. You can't acknowledge something that hasn't happened yet
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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Do you get it???
"dickrod screwed up with the deck of cards he was dealt, and thats why he should be fired"
He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"dickrod screwed up with the deck of cards he was dealt, and thats why he should be fired"
He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"dickrod screwed up with the deck of cards he was dealt, and thats why he should be fired"
He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"dickrod screwed up with the deck of cards he was dealt, and thats why he should be fired"
He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"Japs forced the American POW's to walk 100 miles."
LMFAO, here we go again with your stupid ass poly-science comparisons, LOL!!
Are you guys covering that in class now at Jokeland U?
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"LMFAO, here we go again with your stupid ass poly-science comparisons"
alrught tough guy. then explain why dickrod did NOT force the spread option down the teams throat! I dohbt you can. But I'd like to see you try
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
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"You are settlnig for losing 66% of your games"
Quite the opposite junior...I KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING....it's too bad you can't see it for what it really is...a TRANSITION!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"I KNOW WHY THIS IS HAPPENING"
the fact that you might know why something happens does not make it a good thing or an acceptable thing. I can say that I "know" why the economy has become rotten (it was a series of policies from the federal government, such as the establishment of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) but this does not mean I condone these policies and condone what has happened like you do with dickrod and with the state of michigan football. I believe in learning from the past and
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"the fact that you might know why something happens does not make it a good thing or an acceptable thing"
Never said it was, I support, don't always approve, but I certainly support! You're just an emotional headcase.
Again with the economy shit? Seriously?
Brewhaman 2 years ago
" I support, don't always approve, but I certainly support!"
shit. whatever. I, for one, do not support miserable situations like the one dickrod has put michigan football in. I believe an attempt should be made to correct the problems Michigan football faces (or that the country faces). I believe in progress. You apparently do not. You're a malcontent, like I said before. And if thats what pleases you, then fine. But understand that I'm not like that. I will NEVER support a bad situation!
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
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"I believe an attempt should be made to correct the problems Michigan football faces"
Right. And he is trying to make the situation better with recruiting. You want to blame RR, but the fact of the matter is, it's defense that is the problem. Hopefully GRobinson gets things going, 2 years with the same coach "should" be better.
"I believe in progress"
3-9, 5-7...progress
Brewhaman 2 years ago
" And he is trying to make the situation better with recruiting'
its a situation HE CREATED you dumbass! Michigan was an annual top 20 team before dickrod arrived, but under him we are 8-16. And now you say he's trying to fix the situation? why should we trust him to fix the window when he's the one who broke it in the first place?
" it's defense that is the problem"
1. the offense has been ranked in the bottom 50% each of the last two seasons and has only scored 22 PPG against big
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
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"dickrod screwed up with the deck of cards he was dealt, and thats why he should be fired"
He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
HEY...DUMBASS...
"dickrod screwed up with the deck of cards he was dealt, and thats why he should be fired"
He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
ten competition in both seasons, so the offense is a HUGE part of the problem
2. The defense was just fine under Carr's fine coaching staff of English, Bedford, Morrison, and Stripling, but then dickrod brings in his defense and the shit hits the fan, depsite the fact that both defenses had their starting lineups littered with blue chip talent. once again, we have ourselves a coaching problem. once again, dickrod is to blame. He fired Carr's good assistants and hired his own stupid cronnies
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"He fired Carr's good assistants and hired his own stupid cronnies"
You've obviously never been out in the real world pal, when a new string of owners come to an organization, RARELY, do they keep any of the old "cronnies" around. He kept Jackson, which really surprised me.
Again...DEFLATED!
*ALSO*
He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
Brewhaman 2 years ago
"when a new string of owners come to an organization, RARELY, do they keep any of the old cronnies"
so what? If those new owners screw up like dickrod and his coaches have, then people (like me) call for their head and say the hire was a mistake! and BTW, its no suprise that dickrod kept Jackson. He's such a good runningbacks coach that even dickrod cou;dn't let him go. Too bad it wasn't the same story with English and the defensive staff.
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"so what?"
Like I said, you've got a lot to learn, maybe you can go to college until you're 39 at Jokeland U, but in the real world, this is the way things are done.
"He's such a good runningbacks coach that even dickrod cou;dn't let him go"
I'm not going to bash Jackson, becaucse he's a good coach (from what I hear at least), but the REAL reason he kept him on was to obtain McGuffie. That there was documented.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
" this is the way things are done"
and unlike you, I'm not a malcontent who supports the situation no matter how good or bad it is.
"but the REAL reason he kept him on was to obtain McGuffie"
how is this even relevant? Dickrod kept jackson, lik he SHOULD have. thats the bottom line
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"how is this even relevant?"
Just want to be sure you're armend with FACTS and not BS speculation.
Brewhaman 2 years ago
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"Just want to be sure you're armend with FACTS"
again, how is the fact that Jackson was kept in order to secure McGuffies commitment relevant to the fact that dickrod made a good decision by keeping a good head coach?
Poole1Dan 2 years ago
"and unlike you, I'm not a malcontent who supports the situation no matter how good or bad it is"
More opinionated bullshit......
Brewhaman 2 years ago
@Poole1Dan Name the 41 blue chip prospectds that rich rod inherited man whats wrong??? u cant name them cuz thats false
MICHIGANallDAY2 2 years ago
His list, which is rediculous is somewhere in the pile of shit he smeared all over this poor kids page.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"somewhere in the pile of shit he smeared all over this poor kids page"
As per ususual, it was YOU who got in my grill and started a youtube flamewar. I made a pithy post comparing Vinopal to Jordan Kovacs, and you got all snotty with me cause you envy me and want to be me after the refugee life you've lived as a highschool dropout. What am I supposed to do, take shit from you and not respond to what you say? Fuck that!
BTW, you still haven't told me which college you went to. Pussy
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"you still haven't told me which college you went to"
Why is this important to you? Better yet, why is it important for me to impress you?
It's not too hard to figure out where I earned my Master Degree from, it surely wasn't your Alma Mater...Jokeland U!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"Why is this important to you?"
Its not. I'm just curious because you insist on calling the college I attend-Oakland University-a joke of a college but yet you won't say where you went, which tells me you are a fat, lonely, miserable college dropout with nothing better to do then masturbate to videos of dickrod while throwing baseless attacks at a random 20 year old who roots for the same team you root for.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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"throwing baseless attacks at a random 20 year old who roots for the same team you root for. "
LOL!!!!!!!!
Nice try fuck wad, this is YOU to a T!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"miserable college dropout"
Wait, I thought I was a HS dropout? LMFAO...you're a scetch Lisper!
"Its not. I'm just curious"
Sure it is, you're constantly asking me, sorry I won't satisfy your curiousity, like I said, it's not important for ME to impress YOU. And, ah, yeah, your school is a fucking joke. I mean it's good that you actually attend a higher learning institution and I'm awfully surprised you got in anywhere, but it's more like a community college on steroids.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"I thought I was a HS dropout?"
Maybe you are. I don't know. Either way, your IQ is severly lacking, as is evident by the way I ass rape you in every debate we get into and reduce you to throwing fallacious ad hominem attacks at me instead of arguments of substance.
"but it's more like a community college on steroids."
again, if you're going to attack the school I go to, then be a man and tell me which college you went to, if any! You have no basis for attacking the college I
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
attend unless you went to a college that is better then mine, and seeing as you're not even saying which college you went to, this must mean that you didn't go to college at all, and if you did, its way worse then Oakland University. You're such a fucking loser. and to think I once liked you.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
Rich Rod for President!!!!!!!!!!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
@Poole1Dan soo wheres them 41 blue chips at dumbass ??? and actually name some players who have played atleast a snap or still play w us ur a joke dude
MICHIGANallDAY2 1 year ago
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"wheres them 41 blue chips at dumbass ???"
I gave them to you! They are the 40 I mentioned plus Brandon Moore, who accidently missed the last time.
"actually name some players who have played atleast a snap"
whether they played a snap or not is irrelavant. Dickrod inherited them, so its his job to utilize them and develope them and get them playing time. Any lack of playing time they saw has nothing to do with them not being talented.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
The 41 blue chip recruits that dickrod inherited were: Tim Jamison, Doug Dutch, Will Johnson, Mike Massey, Morgan Trent, Kevin Grady, Terrance Taylor, Cory Zirbel, Brandon Harrison, David Moosman, Brandon Graham, Stephen Schilling,Carlos Brown, Jonas Moutan, Stevie Brown, Greg Mathews, Adam Patterson, Jason Kates, Brandon Minor, Donovan Warren, Toney Clemons, Austin Panter, Ryan Van Bergen, Martell Webb, Michael Williams, Boubacar Cissoko, Dann O Neill, Darryl Stonum, J.B Fitzgerald,
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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He had a deck of Pro-Style Players to try and run a Read-Option spread....your argument here is pointless!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
@Poole1Dan lol hahahahhah thats not 41 u dumbasss and mike williams was not a blue chip player idiot and dan oneil doesnt even fucking count he hasnt seen one snap and doesnt play for us anymore dipshit so yea try again
MICHIGANallDAY2 1 year ago
"thats not 41 u dumbasss"
Upon further review, I forgot to mention Brandon Moore. So yes, it is 41.
"mike williams was not a blue chip player"
Yes he was. Look it up: he was a 4 star according to both rivals and scout. I am right. and you are wrong
" dan oneil doesnt even fucking count"
Yes he does. He was on the team in 2008, and then he bolted ship for greener pastures
BING BING BING! I win all 3
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
thats still not 41 u jackass lol and morgan trent wasnt even ranked in the top 20 at his position you moron do you know what a blue chipper is ????? someone who is ranked highly at there position so no he wasnt a blue chip player
MICHIGANallDAY2 1 year ago
Morgan Trent under acheived so bad, but because he was a Carr player and had a decent ranking, RR "should have" been able to do something with him.....more "idealist" thinking from the the Mighty Lisper!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
".....more "idealist" thinking from the the Mighty Lisper!"
Its not idealistic thinking it all. Like I told michiganallday2: players who play poorly under one coach play well under a new coach all the time, so why should we expect anything different from dickrod? Thats called being reasonable, not being an idealist.
And BTW, Trent was honorable mention all big ten in 2007 and made HUGE imnprovements on the field from 2006. He regressed under dickrods cronnie: Tony Gibson.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"players who play poorly under one coach play well under a new coach all the time"
Um...yeah..."ideally" they do fuck stain, but guess what.....they didn't so this makes you an idealist....you need to come to grips with it Lisper. That is NOT being reasonable, that's being an idealist...or YOU!
Trent was BAD in 07, give me a fucking break! He was part of the reason we lost to App. State AND Oregon, get your head out of your ass. Your problem is that you want to put Carr's short comings on RR.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"they didn't so this makes you an idealist"
bullshit! If something happens over and over and over again in a given situation (in this case, players playing poorly under one coach but playing well under another coach), then it is totally reasonable to expect that situation to repeat itself, or else you're just ignoring history and being a fool. So no, me expecting dickrod to tap the potentail of those blue chip recruits is NOT idealistic thinking, its REALISTIC thinking. But dickrod didn't
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"If something happens over and over and over again in a given situation"
Like your miserable appearence on youtube?
"you're just ignoring history and being a fool"
No that would be you and your ignorance. IF, the word IF being the key here, IF RR had inherited a spread team, with players recruited for some variation of a spread offense, then you'd have a legitimate argument and I would agree, but this isn't the case. You are ignoring facts because they don't fit your lame ass argument.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"with players recruited for some variation of a spread offense"
But he DIDN'T inherit that team. He didn't get the deck of cards he wanted. Too damn bad!!
"You are ignoring facts"
like what? Every fact you've bothered to throw out has been shown to ahve no relevance to dickrods failures on the field. It would be like me saying hitler was evil, and then you responding by saying Mao Tse Tung was evil, therefore, Hitler was not evil. Makes no fucking sense
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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" like me saying hitler was evil, and then you responding by saying Mao Tse Tung was evil, therefore, Hitler was not evil. Makes no fucking sense"
Again with the Poly-Science shit? LMFAO!!! Sigh.....
"so what that they weren't recruited for dickrods shitty offense"
95% of the reason for 3-9, 5-7, that's "what".
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"95% of the reason for 3-9, 5-7"
wrong. it was dickrod who forced that offense on them, therefore, it was dickrod who caused Michigan to go 3-9 and 5-7.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
heyy whos better your guy threet or forcier just asking??? and yes nick sheridan did start and those starts do count him kovaks and leach all have started and many of kids have switched postitions because of the lack of depth just recently all state wr cam gordon had to move to Safety cuz we have no depth there so suck it
MICHIGANallDAY2 1 year ago
"whos better your guy threet or forcier just asking"
I like Forcier better. why? Cause he was more highly ranked then Threet and is a really good runner, unlike Threet, which means Forcier is more talented thnen Threet. More importantly, Forcier has an intangible which neither Threet nor most college quarterbacks have: moxie in the clutch. Forcier is AMAZING in the clutch. BTW, dickrod was a total IDIOT for pulling Forcier for D-rob on the potential GW drive against Iowa.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"Cause he was more highly ranked then Threet"
You judge people soley on outcomes, unless, of course, it doesn't fit your argument.
L-O-S-E-R!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
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"You judge people soley on outcomes"
Paging Dr. Faggot again: I said that "MORE IMPORTANTLY, Forcier has an intangible which neither Threet nor most college quarterbacks have: moxie in the clutch. Forcier is AMAZING in the clutch.' I acknowledged that above all else, his PERFORMANCE is what makes me like Forcier more then Threet. You need tog et hooked on phonics BADLY
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"You need tog et hooked on phonics BADLY"
Why? It obviously didn't "work for you", LMFAO!!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
tap their potential ans create a big ten championship team out of them, just like Carr didn't. Which is one of the many reasons why dickrod deserves to be FIRED.
"Trent was BAD in 07"
Oh really? Then why did he garner honorable mention all big ten and rarely get beaten badly like he did in 2006 and 2008? Trent had a fine season in 2007. He did NOT get burned ONCE against Oregon or App State. He was actually an asset in those two games. The players who got burned in those two games were
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
Jamar Adams, Brandon Harrison, Stevie Brown, and especially Johnny Sears. look it up bitch. You;'re WRONG about Trent's performance in 2007, just like you're wrong about everything else
"you want to put Carr's short comings on RR"
You have yet to explain what carrs shortcomings have to do with dickrods shortcomings! You insanely think that carrs failure to develope blue chip talent is somehow an exoneratiopn of dickrods failure, and you've yet to explain this pathetic argument.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"You have yet to explain what carrs shortcomings have to do with dickrods shortcomings"
Eh,hello, earth to Lisper, come in Lisper!
You blame RR for Carr's recruits NOT producing. They weren't specifically recruited for RR's offense. Furthermore, they were UNDER-ACHEIVING players dumbfuck! Lets just end this silly argument, you're too ignorant to see the truth. Let's see what Kelly does with ALL those"blue chippers"at Notre Lame this season.Let's see how well those pro-style players fit Kelly!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"They weren't specifically recruited for RR's offense"
so what that they weren't recruited for dickrods shitty offense? It is still his JOB as the HEAD coach to train and develope them and put them in a system where they can SUCCEEED!! Or esle he's just wasting the deck of cards he was dealth cause he's busy complaining about not getting the deck of cards that 'he wanted.'
"they were UNDER-ACHEIVING players"
doesn't matter. they could have become productive had dickrod and his
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
assistants not done such a terrible job training and developing them, and had dickrod not forced his system upon them like a little kid trying to open a locked door
"Let's see how well those pro-style players fit Kelly!"
hahahah. wow. So now Brian Kelly's success or failure at Notre Dame will either convict or exonertate dickrod? wow. how lovely: dickrods job assesment will be determined by what some team-hopping douchebag does at Notre Shame!
your idiocy never ends
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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"So now Brian Kelly's success or failure at Notre Dame will either convict or exonertate dickrod?"
Not completely, but eh, it is the same situation. You better hope they do well or I'll be coming after you some more little man!
"your idiocy never ends"
I'm trying to get you to understand how fucking stupid your comments make you look. How shitty your fanhood is. How you really have no legitimate argument. I've done that and some!
You can't handle the truth Lisper, you're a fucking idiot!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
" it is the same situation"
doesn't matter, cause Kelly is not the same coach as dickrod. He doesn't run the spread option like dickrod. He's never benefited off two superstars like dickrod did with Pat White and Steve Slaton. He's won national championships at the lower levels before, unlike dickrod.
Now I'm not saying Kelly will be the shit at ND. I for one think he's in over his head down there. The point I'm making is that Kelly is a vastly different coach from dickrod, ergo, any
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"doesn't matter, cause Kelly is not the same coach as dickrod"
I call that back pedalling. But whatever, same situation, if he doesn't have a .500 season or better next year, you're up shit creek w/out a paddle kid-o!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
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"I call that back pedalling"
how is it backpeddling? I mearly explained how using whatever happens at ND to convict or exonerate dickrod makes no sense because kelly is not the same coach as dickrod! Not to mention dickrod is the coach of MICHIGAN, not Notre dame, ergo, how could Notre shames situation POSSIBLY be a refelction on dickrod?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"how could Notre shames situation POSSIBLY be a refelction on dickrod"
Go read my response on this, I already derailed your dumb argument on this!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"Go read my response on this"
all you've done is shown that the situations are similar. You've done NOTHING to show how dickrod and kelly are the same, nor have you gotten over the fact that dickrod is coach of MICHIGAN, not Notre Dame, which means anything Notre Dame does will be IRRELAVANT to dickrods credibility.
I could say that Obama walked into the same bad economic situation as Reagn, so therefore, Obama is as good as reagan. by your logic, this would make perfect sense
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"all you've done is shown that the situations are similar"
If Kelly goes to a bowl next season with his spread scemes put on these pro-srtyle athletes currently on the Domers Roster, then you might have a case. I doubt Kelly gets out next season. This will make your whole "sniff-sniff...RR inherited 41 blue chippers...sniff-sniff...then lost all those games with blue chippers..sniff-sniff" BS post a thing of the past!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"then you might have a case"
No I won't. If ND does well under kelly nerxt season with the talent that they have, then kelly will show that he's a good head coach
"then lost all those games with blue chippers..sniff-sniff" BS post a thing of the past!"
No it won't. The argument will be the same, only Kellys name will replace dickrod. Any given head coach can utilize or waste talent. Kelly is no exception
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"I could say that Obama walked into the same bad economic situation as Reagn, so therefore, Obama is as good as reagan. by your logic, this would make perfect sense"
None of your dribble makes sense, you're mixing political jargon with NCAA athletics...they don't mix dumbfuck!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"you're mixing political jargon with NCAA athletics."
its an analogy. I challenge you to debunk my analogies. you haven't done so yet, not on my Japs-Americasn POW's analogy, nor on this Obama-Reagan analogy. and no, labeling something as opinion doesn't discrddit the argument. an opinion can be right or wrong depending on the evidence around it, evdience which you repeatedly fail to present, hence making me the automatic winner odf the debate when you say "Opinion!" then move on
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"its an analogy"
An inaacurate one too!
You view the "Japs" as "the evil" RR, how fucking rediculous, but then again, it comes form your deranged mind.
"an opinion can be right or wrong depending on the evidence around it"
Bullshit...an opinion is just that an opinion!
They hold zero weight because it's an ideal backed by emotion or a "personal" stance on something, get your crazy mind together Lisper!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"ergo"
Sigh....you're a redundant piece of shit, do you know that?
Brewhaman 1 year ago
ergo is a latin term for therefore, which is a common word in the english language. why are you bashing me for using it.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"ergo is a latin term for therefore"
Um, yeah, I'm aware of that, but it's also funny how that word is used in blogs so common. HENCE, the reason you use it so often!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"it's also funny how that word is used in blogs"
wow, so blogs use a word that i use! is that supposed to mean something?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"wow, so blogs use a word that i use"
No, 'YOU use words blogs use'...get it right you un-original pickel puffer!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
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"'YOU use words blogs use'"
again, how is this relevant?
and BTW, you repeat the same bullshit arguments that the vehement dickrod supporters on mgoblog and other sites use, so you're also unoriginal. HYPOCRITE!
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
success or failure Kelly has at Notre Dame wiill neither exonerate not convict dickrod. I don't need to hope he does well, cause it won't vindicate me or hurt me either way. If he succeeds, it will vindicate his success at Grand Valley State, CMU, and Cincy, but if he fails, he'll end up neing another dead coach of the post-Lou Holtz world.
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
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"I don't need to hope he does well, cause it won't vindicate me or hurt me either way"
The fuck it won't! Look at this page you slack-jawed twitt! You've stated that RR took over a program with "41 blue chippers" (that were Pro-Style athletes BTW) and wasted the talent. You just posted this you fucking Worm!
Same situation over at ND. They are stock piled with bklue chip, pro-style talent. Kelly is a spread coach.
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"Same situation over at ND."
which means that if Kelly makes ND a winner with that talent, then he will prove that he's a good head coach, but if ND loses under him, then he'll prove that he's a bad head coach who wasted talent, just like Bob Davie, Ty Whillingham, and Charlie Weis did. So again, how does Kelly success or failure vindicate or exonerate what i've been saying about dickrod?
Poole1Dan 1 year ago
"which means that if Kelly makes ND a winner with that talent, then he will prove that he's a good head coach"
It might, but the same situation exists. Pro-style team moving to a Kelly spread. RR comes to a Pro-Style team moving to a spread. You will clearly see how difficult it is to WIN with a Pro-Style team and a spread coach!
Brewhaman 1 year ago
"but the same situation exists"
I don't deny that the same situation exists. But again, you have failed to show how dickrod is the same as Kelly, and you've also failed to get around the fact that dickrod coaches Michigan, not Notre Dame. Until you get around these two facts-which destroy your entire argument that what Notre Dame does will exonerate or convict dickrod-then you have no leg to stand on (which is pretty common of you anyways)
Poole1Dan 1 year ago