I saw a tool some time ago that reamed the OD plus put a radius on the end of the tube OD and ID. I could now kick myself cause I cannot remember the name. It REALLY made double flaring easy on steel brake line.
My experience making flares is limited, so I appreciate your post. I saw one text that said a light coating of compound should be used on the face of flare connections, but I think most people in the field dispute that. I'm interested because of the difficulty sealing a pressure switch on a schrader. I hate to apply force to the point of damaging threads, but at the point I think is max torque my electronic leak detector still says there's seepage. Any recommendations?
The best refrigeration connectiions are brazed. The flares are better suited for water/hydraulic joints. The exception would be those compression connectors with teflon O-rings. I despise any fitting that relies on depressing a shrader valve to do its job, other than the hoses of a gauge set.
I agree with a light coating of refrigeration oil on flare faces. Sealing a connection carrying a gas is more difficult than one carrying a fluid.
Between you, Mikie2501 and Dr Z there will be no need to waste $10,000 on an HVAC class, I will sit here and watch your videos. Another excellent video. Keep them coming!
I agree with you about learning from Dr Z (he's the best) and Mikie. I have a ton of installation experience that spilled over into the service sector. Getting an install completed properly (and running) is how you get PAID. Techs and installers need the right tools and that's where the money really needs to be spent. Most of my knowledge was acquired on-site and by learning from guys that were smarter than me.
Thanks for the props. I'm not as smart as you think I am.
I have a punch-type swage that I haven't used in years. Using a hammer on copper tubing just seems barbaric. I'll buy a real swaging kit one of these days.
Does the 'press-type' tool use a flaring block? My buddy has the one that looks like a rivet gun. I think it's called a tubing expander. He likes it but I've never used one.
@PutSome5tankOnIt Have the hammer and punches in the bottom of my bag :) they have a really cool hydraulic set I've been looking at for a few years that I'll probably never buy :>
@mikie2501 I think you guys are talking about the YellowJacket expander kit right? It works really well, but you can't swag it all at once. You press the handle down a quarter of the way and let off. Then turn the copper a quarter of the way and do it again, little by little. If you don't it will split the copper. They work really well but they are so big its kinda awkward to use. The run about $250-$280 from what i've seen.
I'm not sure of the brand name. The technique you describe makes sense. The tool I'm thinking of is a ratchet-type design. For the money, I think I'd rather have the old school design with a yoke and a bar
@PutSome5tankOnIt I agree. A little bit too much money for me as well. Yellow Jacket makes a nice yoke and bar set that comes in a case. I need to pick one up.
Just be sure to buy your swage kit at a supply house that knows you. I make certain to be pleasant in those places and make friends. That "Buddy Discount" can save you a few bucks.
The double flaring tool stays in the blue case. It's probably 40 years old. Losing one of the adapters is my biggest fear. It also does single flares and (by nature) bubble flares.
I like all the Yellow Jacket products , I couldn't funcition without them !!! Sound like a REP... I have the same rigids to and have had them about the same time line . Thats a trip ...
Very good demo man . I like the way you go into detail ...
I see your still in short sleeves , I'm jealous its freezing here ( 18 deg ) high today... I guess i"ll break out the carhartts , or even better move to the virgin islands and sell hotdogs and cold beer off my custom atv hotdog cold beer cart !!!
I'm kind of a snob when it comes to tools. Most of my stuff is big name brand It was a little warm when I did the video... I actually broke a sweat once or twice.
I saw a tool some time ago that reamed the OD plus put a radius on the end of the tube OD and ID. I could now kick myself cause I cannot remember the name. It REALLY made double flaring easy on steel brake line.
madisonelectronic 1 year ago
My experience making flares is limited, so I appreciate your post. I saw one text that said a light coating of compound should be used on the face of flare connections, but I think most people in the field dispute that. I'm interested because of the difficulty sealing a pressure switch on a schrader. I hate to apply force to the point of damaging threads, but at the point I think is max torque my electronic leak detector still says there's seepage. Any recommendations?
Straycurrent 2 years ago
The best refrigeration connectiions are brazed. The flares are better suited for water/hydraulic joints. The exception would be those compression connectors with teflon O-rings. I despise any fitting that relies on depressing a shrader valve to do its job, other than the hoses of a gauge set.
I agree with a light coating of refrigeration oil on flare faces. Sealing a connection carrying a gas is more difficult than one carrying a fluid.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
Between you, Mikie2501 and Dr Z there will be no need to waste $10,000 on an HVAC class, I will sit here and watch your videos. Another excellent video. Keep them coming!
Bobby
bobbyton80 2 years ago
I agree with you about learning from Dr Z (he's the best) and Mikie. I have a ton of installation experience that spilled over into the service sector. Getting an install completed properly (and running) is how you get PAID. Techs and installers need the right tools and that's where the money really needs to be spent. Most of my knowledge was acquired on-site and by learning from guys that were smarter than me.
Thanks for the props. I'm not as smart as you think I am.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
Cool video, how about swaging?
mazzmari 2 years ago
I have a punch-type swage that I haven't used in years. Using a hammer on copper tubing just seems barbaric. I'll buy a real swaging kit one of these days.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
How about those press type swaging kits? I have an imperial, but it it really time consuming.
I saw some pictures of the ones that just press in, kinda looks like a rivet gun.
mazzmari 2 years ago
Does the 'press-type' tool use a flaring block? My buddy has the one that looks like a rivet gun. I think it's called a tubing expander. He likes it but I've never used one.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
@PutSome5tankOnIt Have the hammer and punches in the bottom of my bag :) they have a really cool hydraulic set I've been looking at for a few years that I'll probably never buy :>
mikie2501 2 years ago
The word "hydraulic" conjures up images of a bulky and expensive tool. Sounds like a tool designed to be used in a shop, not in the field.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
Yah, expensive it was! I think it was like the size of a mini grease gun, all fit in a brief case size package. Still that sucks up truck space! :)
mikie2501 2 years ago
@mikie2501 I think you guys are talking about the YellowJacket expander kit right? It works really well, but you can't swag it all at once. You press the handle down a quarter of the way and let off. Then turn the copper a quarter of the way and do it again, little by little. If you don't it will split the copper. They work really well but they are so big its kinda awkward to use. The run about $250-$280 from what i've seen.
RhodesHVACR 2 years ago
I'm not sure of the brand name. The technique you describe makes sense. The tool I'm thinking of is a ratchet-type design. For the money, I think I'd rather have the old school design with a yoke and a bar
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
@PutSome5tankOnIt I agree. A little bit too much money for me as well. Yellow Jacket makes a nice yoke and bar set that comes in a case. I need to pick one up.
RhodesHVACR 2 years ago
Just be sure to buy your swage kit at a supply house that knows you. I make certain to be pleasant in those places and make friends. That "Buddy Discount" can save you a few bucks.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
The double flaring tool stays in the blue case. It's probably 40 years old. Losing one of the adapters is my biggest fear. It also does single flares and (by nature) bubble flares.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
Thanks you for doing your tapes.
nemetona123 2 years ago
Welcomes.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
I like all the Yellow Jacket products , I couldn't funcition without them !!! Sound like a REP... I have the same rigids to and have had them about the same time line . Thats a trip ...
Very good demo man . I like the way you go into detail ...
I see your still in short sleeves , I'm jealous its freezing here ( 18 deg ) high today... I guess i"ll break out the carhartts , or even better move to the virgin islands and sell hotdogs and cold beer off my custom atv hotdog cold beer cart !!!
fritzhvac 2 years ago
I'm kind of a snob when it comes to tools. Most of my stuff is big name brand It was a little warm when I did the video... I actually broke a sweat once or twice.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
cool vid. you can sand me the ones you dont want.lol
V8Jagnut 2 years ago
I almost never get rid of tools. Always keep a spare on hand in case one breaks.
PutSome5tankOnIt 2 years ago
cool. same but it was worth a try.lol. dam its hot hear 33'c at 12:30am.
V8Jagnut 2 years ago
Nice collection!, I need more flaring tools!
the imperial that you keep in your blue can is the same as mine, can't find new wheels for mine now :(
Aussie50 2 years ago