Trial of the Chicago 8 Part One

[timeofdeaths]

this pertains to #occupywallstreet

[mangajo]

rip Leonard Weinglass

[wailinburnin]

...when Crime Stories continues...(now that's rich)

[zoemayne]

"act in a desired manner"

[thethinker53]

If you want to preserve the last remaining forum for free speech and independent thought, visit Al Franken's website -- join in his effort to keep the internet and open forum.

[thethinker53]

Nothing much has changed since the 60's except now there is even greater control over the media and the messages we get. Hoffman was brilliant. He knew the American people were being controlled by the messages they got from television and he knew there was state control and corporate control. Forty years later -- the control is nearly complete -- and now there are attempts to control what messages we get from the INTERNET!

[tommerrigan1956]

It is always the right time to do good. Forgiving your enemies is good.

[tommerrigan1956]

Forgive.

[tommerrigan1956]

Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. ~Martin Luther King

[mynameisabag]

@tommerrigan1956 Dr. King is right but should they have done nothing instead? Inaction I would say is worse than violent action.

[tommerrigan1956]

@mynameisabag King did not advocate pacifism, but nonviolence. There is a difference.  King never suggested his followers do nothing, but they actively deter violence through nonviolence.

[mynameisabag]

@tommerrigan1956 I know but the question I am trying to ask is would King still advocate that if the oppressed people were not enlightened enough to see that truth? Now a days, without a brilliant leader like MLK or Gandhi. is it reasonable to expect an oppressed people to act so righteously despite fighting such tyranny?

[tommerrigan1956]

@mynameisabag Nonviolence is, ultimately, not doing nothing, but refusing to cooperate with evil. "Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good" (Gandhi). Active nonviolence is actually very active and includes such things as refusing to pay taxes, refusing enlistment, sit-ins, etcv.

[mynameisabag]

@tommerrigan1956 I have heard that when MLK made his tour to Africa and witnessed the extreme injustices there he faltered in his beliefs for a moment. Supposedly an audience member asked MLK what action he would suggest when any type of rebellion peaceful or violent would warrant assassination by the ruling class. Supposedly after being asked this question MLK remained silent. I do not mean to advocate violence I merely wish to question the practicality of being righteous in the face of evil.

[tommerrigan1956]

@mynameisabag No doubt MLK, all all persons, had his failings. Regardless, he is still one of the role models, along with Thoreau, Gandhi, and Jesus, for noncooperation with evil. An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind.

[mynameisabag]

@tommerrigan1956 Yes I agree, an eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind but the question that still remains is what do you do once both your eyes are gone and the eye gouger still remains?

[mynameisabag]

@tommerrigan1956 I have read some of Gandhi's works and I am to this day still moved by them. Yet I can see how the government's mechanisms for control grow daily--even during Gandhi's time he expressed the fear that his country had already been lost to the evils of modern society. My opinion would be different if people stood up for their rights in this country but they dont and thats what scares me. We the people are far too sheepish.

[mynameisabag]

@tommerrigan1956 Sorry for my poorly articulated response I take what I said friday night back I wasnt very sober. I was trying to say something more like this...

[RobGoth100]

Chicago Democrat Party machine against the hippies. Hoo-Ray!

[sanfordhousing]

Young people today don't know how lucky they are?Look at enthusiastic pig's using their clubs?why ?the People in Government (PIG} had a problem with their youth{us}Chicago was the eye of the storm,I should have gone on a bus from Toronto to that world event across the border, it was an age of social political unrest,class,race religious conflicts ,the USA international power weakened?,in the old of European Empires PIG had a similar problem with a Global "Youth International Anti War Party,

[Traductus5972]

that's comical since Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman have both been quoted saying never trust anyone over 30

[tommerrigan1956]

@Traductus5972 Agreed. Hoffman was hilarious.

[Sharky345]

Actually one of them was 28/29.

[RobGoth100]

"Kids"?

Fun fact...all of the Chicago 8 defendants were over 30.

[Seasass]

@RobGoth100 Good observation! A lot of the defining images and trends of the 1960's that are attributed to the post-war baby boomers were, in fact, brought to us by the later members of the so-called "silent" generation, and the Yippies are a perfect example. All of the major rock stars of the era were born before 1946. Most of the Merry Pranksters (of Electric Kool-Aid Test fame) were born in the 1930's. James Rado was 36 and balding under his wig of "long beautiful hair" on broadway.