Fear God O speaker. Allah has exalted bani Israel, Jews and rewarded them prophethood. Zkarya was Jew, his son Yahya was Jew, Jesus was Jew. About Maryam, mother of Jesus and a Jewess Allah says in Quran. وَإِذْ قَالَتِ الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَا مَرْيَمُ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ اصْطَفَاكِ وَطَهَّرَكِ وَاصْطَفَاكِ عَلَىٰ نِسَاءِ الْعَالَمِينَ
At many places Quran has comliments about People of Book who include Jews.
How the Master of this Universe can be against his creation? Dont misguide.
Quran says: Surely those who believe, and those who are JEWS and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (2:62). Only an idiot can say that Quran is against the Jews.
He is quoting hadis which has no foundation and credibility.
The alleged Seerat book of Ibn Ishaq never existed. Quran is not against the Jews. Vers 5:69 says that the Jews who believe in one god on life hereafter and do good deeds will have nothing to fear. There are so many verses in Quran who praise Jews. Only such Jews are condemned who associate partners with God.
If anyone criticises allah, muhammad or the umma he is a hate mongerer, racist, xenophobe and adolph hitler and more then all these.... Thats the way muslims deal with the hatred in their scripture... Accuse anyone who criticises it of hate themselves.
@chriss179 I have quoted from Quran. No more arguments needed. Quan says "Surely those who believe, and those who are JEWS and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is NO fear for them, nor shall they grieve. They will be rewarded for their deeds(2:62).
Only an idiot can say that Quran is against the Jews.
@reasonlight yes, do recite the abrogated verses... A normal muslim tactic to deceive the unknowing. These verses have been replaced with the verses of the sword. there are
@chriss179 The concept of abrogation in Quran was originally invented during the fourth century A.H (late 10th century A.D). Among them are notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq famous as Al-Denary (died 318 A.H), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject. Quran refutes this.
@reasonlight Dude, the concept of abrogation was invented by either muhammad or his personal angel.... He substituted verses with "something better" as he himself proclaims. In islam there is a mixed bag of violent and peaceful verses. THe violent verses are sort of the islamic NEW TESTAMENT. They replace the old verses which are peaceful. And the new verses are the jihad verses. The verses of the sword.
It's like this.. YOu never know if the muslim your debating is a liberal of fundamental.
@reasonlight But what you can see is if they fight the ones exposing this issue... Thats where their agenda becomes obvious. You should be fighting your islam, not the people exposing its evil.
@reasonlight more then 100 verses of the sword (jihad). including 3:28 (do not take unbelievers as friends, those who do this have no connection with allah) 5:51 (same as 3:28), suira 9:5 fight the unbeliever wherever you find them, 9:39 if you do not fight in jihad for allah, he will throw you in hell. sura 9:29, etc,etc,etc,etc.. You cannot deceive me because i know your filthy book, your filthy prophet and your filthy umma.
@chriss179 Quran permits fighting with only those who fight. Verse 2:190 reads "And fight in the way of Allah WITH THOSE WHO FIGHT WITH YOU, and DO NOT EXCEED THE LIMITS, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. All the verses you mention are relating such wars which were imposed.In Arabic Jihad is not war. For war the Arabic is Qital. If I deceive, I am deceiving myself.
@reasonlight The only acceptable muslims are muslims who don't or follow the qur'an. Those who don't want to have anything to do with the depravities and filth of muhammads sharia but "believe there is a god".
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
@chriss179 You are quoting Sahih Bukhari. Do you think it is more reliable than Quran. It was invented 300 years after the demise of Muhammad. This book is widely accepted as fiction and figment.
About Jews and Christians Quran says" If they followed Taurat and the Injeel and what was revealed to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded", "There are moderate people also among them".(5:66).There are several frendly references in Quran about the People of Book.
@reasonlight i'm qouting sahih bukhari and do i believe that the hadiths are written by muslims giving record of the life of the prophet??? Yes! No, the hadiths are strong when you like and are weak when you like. But this is accepted teaching in all the schools of islam. And it might be bad for the image of islam in the west. But things do not become true or false over the damage to islams image in the west......
@chriss179 You write" the hadiths are written by muslims giving record of the life of the prophet??? Yes! No". My reply is NO. You write "the hadiths are strong when you like and are weak when you like".
My reply is that it should either be true or false. It cannot be both. I have no reason to believe that those could be true.
Coming to Jews, please read 7:159 which says, "Among the people of Moses is a section that SHOWS WAY TO THE TRUTH AND DEALS JUSTLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH IT. (contd.)
@chriss179 (contd). We observe in 7:159 mentioned earlier, that Quran does not identify any group leaving no occasion for any body to target any group of Jews for condemnation and contempt.
Forgetting Quran, hadis and history, the ground reality is that there is NO rivalry between the so called muslims and the Jews.
Christians however blame Jews clergies for killing Jesus Christ.
In 5:51 "do not make them allies" does not mean fight with them.
@reasonlight Do not be their friends even if they would die for you. What that means is you have to hate your friends if they do not believe in muhammad as allah's messenger. Allah sees all. To him is the ending.... And if you cannot openly hate them because you would be deported out of the country you are to speak in a friendly fashion (taqiyya) while your heart dislike this. Meaning you hate them to death but in your words you love them to death.......
@chriss179 Here is 4:28 "Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya or supporters, superseding the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you for him , and to Allah is the final return".
What is bad in it?
Quran warns "and let not hatred of a people incite you to exceed the limits, help one another in goodness and piety, not in sin aggression; and be careful of Allah;(5:2)
@reasonlight Exactly... Can you not read???? What does it mean not to take non muslims as friends/protectors/patrons??? You seem not to have the slightest clue.... It means they are the enemies of allah and you should be doing jihad..... Not loving them... Allah has to conquer the world.. Since he lost the battle against god. Now he has to conquer the world and kill all the jews. Exactly.... Boy, you are a muslim for 4 years and you seem to be ignorant of your own qur'an.
(Let not the believers take) the believers ought not to take [the hypocrites:] 'Abdullah Ibn Ubayy and his companions [and] (disbelievers) the Jews (for their friends) so as to become mighty and honourable (in preference to believers) who are sincere. (Whoso doeth that) seeking might and honour [by taking the hypocrites and disbelievers as friends] (hath no connection with Allah)
@chriss179 The Explanation of altafsir are based on hadis. Hadis can be weak as you say. You my dear, ignore all that. I am a Muslim for about 4years. Not ethnic muslim they all are. I studied Quran and soon realized that I could become a muslim without officially changing the brand of my then religion. Tafsir people want to change Quran. Quran explains in 10:15. "When my verses recited to them they say alter it or bring another Quran. Tell them I follow what is revealed and cannot amend it.
has no honour, mercy or protection from Allah (unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them) save yourselves from them, (taking (as it were) security) saving yourselves from them by speaking in a friendly way towards them with, while your hearts dislikes this.
(Allah bideth you beware (only) of Himself) regarding the shunning of unlawful killing, unlawful sex, unlawful property, consuming intoxicants, false testimony and associating partners with Allah. (Unto Allah is the journeying) the return after death.
You see, you have to hate all non muslims.... Thats the personality change allah got in medina... All of a sudden islam was in war with the world.
@reasonlight Muhammad said in mekkah: To you be your religion and to me mine, let there be no compulsion in religion. In medina he said: If anyone seek any religion other then islam, it will never be accepted!
Now which do you choose?? The medinian verses are the new testament. Meaning they are what to do and the old is what not to do. So you who deceives the ignorant people will use the mekkan verses and never mention the medinian verses. Or claim they are only for you to defend yourself..
@chriss179 You write " Muhammad said in mekkah: To you be your religion and to me mine, let there be no compulsion in religion. In medina he said: If anyone seeks any religion other then islam, it will never be accepted!
There should be no confusion on these statements. Yes there is no compulsion and Allah expects submission. If one chooses other way he is doing so at his own risk. No Maccan /Madnian in Quran. The author is same and is responsible for his declarations. Thanks for response.
@reasonlight Now if i take my bible and go on vacation in saudi arabia. If i pray in my private hotel room.. I GET IMPRISONED! OR EVEN KILLED! DECAPITATED! Why is that?? Because this is what the qur'an teaches.
@chriss179 dear, Saudi Arabia is no Islam. Quran respects Gospel, Torah etc.Verse 6:66 "And if they had followed the teachings of the Torah and the Gospel, and what has been sent down to them by their Lord, they would surely have enjoyed blessings from the heavens above and the earth below their feet.
If they do what you say they are against Quran and shall be punished.
Chriss, if you think I am deceiving, we cannot proceed further. Please appreciate, I analyze your each post sincerely.
@reasonlight Oh yes, saudi is 100% islam. Those who pray in secret to yhwh are killed by the verse after the one saying that if anyone saves a human life it is as if he has saved all humanity. The one saying For those who cause mischief in the land, cut off their hands and feet from opposite sides, crucify them and banish them from the land. If any tourist has a bible with him he is rejected to enter..
@reasonlight this does not work by ex falso sequitur quodlibet. Saying if they do anything that contradicts to the qur'an or islam then they cannot be a fundamentalist state. Darkness does not come instantly but it gradualy enters. Even in being infidel to the qur'an. THe saudi's trade oil with the west which they should not according to the qur'an. Because now we are their patrons. Just look at worm obama praising the muslims on tv. Do they look for honor and might in the unbeliever?
@reasonlight He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
Now an ignorant muslim like you told me that eating pork is the source of all evil in the world and killing swine means isa will slaughter all the pigs so nobody can eat pork ever again.
@reasonlight You know what??? Even an idiot can understand that the killing of swine means the mass ethnic cleansing of the christians. how is he going to break the cross if people will keep creating new ones? Yeah thats how much muhammad loves jews and christians. All christians and jews have to be exterminated... Hmm sounds much like the devil in revelation 12..
17Then the dragon(satan) was enraged at the woman(israel) and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
See the serpent is the devil.. This actualy means that the israelites fled from israel to not be totaly exterminated.. How staggering that islam indeed instructs to exterminate all the jews. Now i know you are the final beast kingdom. The antichrist! babylon!
@reasonlight did you know that your isa dies twice?? He was raised up unto heaven after his "RESURECTION" in the qur'an and then he comes back to live another 40 years and die again?? See muhammad knew jesus died on the cross so it is logically that he would make a mistake once.
[3:55] Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.
Jesus dies twice in the qur'an. For what???? He was sinless wasn't he?? (3: 46; 6: 86; 19: 19). How many times does he have to die for allah???
@reasonlight No more arguments needed.. Islam is demonic, evil and has no place under the sun god made. And it soon will be destroyed. You are the beast spoken about by the prophet john when he wrote: rev17:8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.
Please explain your "You are the beast spoken about by the prophet john when he wrote: rev17:8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction".
@reasonlight The beast which you saw once was (babylon, persia, greece) now is not (rome) yet will come........ all that came was the islamic empire alone. Yet it will go to its destruction... You will get what you deserve. A douible proportion of the cup you gave the world to drink/
@reasonlight Ahh so the 70 million who died in the second jihad are not mentioned?? Muslims have killed more indians in the second jihad then all of the above mentioned. And in all its history you have killed over 200 million people. Yes, islam takes the crown. Not atheism, buddhism or hinduism.
@chriss179, I dont know what you are talking about? The figure seems a mistake. May be seventy!
You know Jihad is not war in Quran. It is struggle. For war there is another word in Quran. Yesterday I have quoted a verse from Quran. I repeat. Verse 2:190 And fight in the way of Allah WITH THOSE WHO FIGHT WITH YOU, and DO NOT EXCEED THE LIMITS, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits".
If I have killed 200m people or even 200 people, I made mistake and shall be accountable.
@reasonlight Yeah do not take them as friends means they do not want to fight you.. Nobody puts a gun to your head and tells you: Do you want to be my friend?? This taqiyya is not protection against an enemy.. These are friends who love you and allah bides you beware, DO NOT LOVE YOUR FRIENDS! YOu have to hate them or you have no connection with allah!!! No mercy! No honor! You are a loser! (5:53)
@reasonlight You know what. ALlah calls loving people losers.. Really even if i didn't know the loving god who made all this, i would have a gut feeling that he himself is the greatest of all losers..... Allahu akhbar kafir bilaah.
@reasonlight The christ king told us that there had to come reasons to stumble but whoever causes one of these little ones to stumble. It would be better for him to have drown himself in the depths of the sea then to cause one of these little children to stumble. I tell you your muhammad and his angel will be tortured in hellfire in a way that surpasses all understanding. They will both acknowledge who is the lord. That they should not have caused so many people to stumble.
@reasonlight I tell you the truth. Even if judgement day would be eternal, muhammad could never look into gods eyes. Because those eyes are a mirror giving the perfect reflection of the soul. I tell you the truth. Muhammad would never dare to look into those eyes and since judgement day will the beginning of something new, if he could he would forget this life. living in hell is easier to him then the recollection of his life and how many souls he in servitude to the cursed angel destroyed.
@reasonlight Muhammad indeed was a worm who had 2 major times of revelations. All your arguments are the mekkan revelations which have been surpassed by something better.
"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause it to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou that God has power over all things?' "
What do you say about what isa does when he comes?? Break cross and kill swine??
@reasonlight Muhammad had 2 major times of revelations. First the mekkan period secondly the medinian period. In mekkah is the period he prophecied all the peacefull verses.
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And yes, when jesus comes he will break the cross and kill the swine. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book 37, Number 4310: )
@chriss179 You write "Muhammad had 2 major times of revelations. First the mekkan period secondly the medinian period. In mekkah is the period he prophecied all the peacefull verses" There is no such division in Quran. All suras are from same author. Quran doesn't endorse this. Thanks for your post.
@reasonlight Now either you are ignorant of this fact or you are a blatant deceiver. The qur'an is a mixed bag or peaceful and violent verses. And all the peaceful verses have been abrogated by the violent verses. If you do not know this then do some study on the life of the prophet. READ THE HADITHS! If you mean to say there is no such division then explain to me: Instill terror in their hearts and strike ye at their necks. or sura 9:5, 9:29,9:39. Do you really understand what allah is saying?
@chriss179 chriss179 Quran says "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight against you, but do not aggression. Allah does not love the aggressors. (2:190)The verses you mention 9:5, 9:29,9:39 are applicable only for 'those who fight with you".
Abrogation theory was invented 300 years after Quran. I have posted on this on other threads. I will not repeat.
Do not entertain disturbing thoughts. Bad for your health.
@reasonlight No king ever in history has refused his subordinates to defend themselves. No king has ever had to tell anyone to fight his enemies who would be destroying them.. This is an insulting lie and contradicts not only logic but also every instruction of muhammad who ordained that you FIGHT the unbelievers "WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM". He did not say "invading forces" but unbelievers.
@reasonlight It was muhammad himself who wrote the letter to the byzantine king saying "SUBMIT TO ISLAM OR BE DESTROYED". When the byzantine king tore the letter to pieces muhammad himself said: Like he has torn my letter to pieces, allah will tear his kingdom to pieces. And how did that happen??? In jihad. Likewise the moors and the ottomans have conquered in BATTLE egypt, persia, india, carthage, spain, greece, romania and all the way to vienna and tours. Both ends of both jihads foretold.
@reasonlight Dan 12: 11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
We've already seen what the abomination of desolation is. It is the dome of the rock - proclaiming there is no god but allah and muhammad being the prophet of this pagan god. But the 1335 days is calculated to
@reasonlight October 10 732AD -> Battle of Tours: Near Poitiers, France, leader of the Franks Charles Martel and his men, defeat a large army of Moors under the governor of Cordoba, Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, who is killed during the battle. The Battle of Tours halts the advance of Islam into Western Europe and establishes a balance of power between Western Europe, Islam and the Byzantine Empire.
@reasonlight If anyone would throw 3 winning lottery numbers in a row at your feet wouldn't you become suspicious as to how he knew those numbers?? Wouldn't you ask yourself if this is some kind of coincidence??? Corruption of the bible?? Satan does not know the future or he would not have started the war against god. Hence the only logical explanation is that he was a prophet proclaiming what was to come. And it happened. Meaning islam is the destroyer prophecied by the prophets of israel.
@reasonlight What does it mean?? Slay them, kill them, beseige them, kill them wherever you find them. If you do not kill them you will go to hell. Do not take christians and jews for friends, whoever takes them for their friends is one of them and allah guideth not a people unjust. WHoever does that, take the hypocrites for their friends has no connection to allah. Whoever seek any religion other then islam, it shall never be accepted?????
@reasonlight Your demanding i give you qur'an, so i did... And you shouldn't evade it.... Kill them is not allegorical killing. It means make them dead.
.........He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
So jesus dies twice, will kill the swine (being the ethnical cleansing of all christians) and break the cross (no christian will survive)
@chriss179 You write " Book 37, Number 4310:Narrated AbuHurayrah:.........He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah... If I start believing all such stupid hadith, I could never come near Islam. Swine is not Christians and cross is not Christianity.Sagest is to ignore them. They do nothing but confusing.
@reasonlight i've read the most heart warming explanation about that verse from a deceiver like you. He told us pork meat is the source of all the evil in the world. So isa is going to mass murder all the pigs, so nobody can eat swine ever again. And he wrote that christians will break their own crosses, denying that isa will break the cross. But how does that tie in to abolishing jizya??? Jizya is discriminatory tax for unbelievers under sharia law. Which means every jew and christian is dead.
@chriss179 Quran says "Those who believe, Jews, Christians and Sabaeans whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear nor are they saddened. (2:62) No discrimination. No Isa is coming to kill pigs. I am not deceiving you. If I do, I will deceive myself. What is Jizya? Show me any verse of Quran about Jizya.
Jizya is the discriminatory taxation of non muslims in muslim countries under sharia law. It is "PROTECTION" money. Money for safe conduct. View the last video i recommended to you. It includes a letter of the jewish and christians under islamic law.
Jizya is the same as maffia protection money. If you do not pay us to protect you (FROM OURSELVES) we will kill you.
@chriss179 They came to kill. fought and got defeated. The suggests the terms for those inflicted war and got defeated. Even today such taxes and terms are valid.
It is not plausible way to single out one verse and base argument on it. There should be proper context.
@reasonlight In which country do you find fundamentalist islamic governments since the end of the ottoman empire? Read wikipedia on the era between 1683 and 1922 and you will see that the great islamic empire was broken up into more then 40 countries where democracy ruled and sharia was abolished. Did you ever hear of attaturk???? This empire is prophecied to come again in the bible. But fractured and consisting of the empires of old (babylon, persia and greece - which is turkey today) cont.
@reasonlight Read daniel 2 it tells the story.. The gold is babylon, the silver is persia, the bronze is greece (turkey today), the iron is the ottomans and the iron and clay is the new empire that will yet come. The islamic empire which will be fractured and divided into 2 people (sunni and shia), and the empires of old. Which the messiah is coming to destroy. (dan 2:44 It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.)
@reasonlight Dan 2 36 "This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. 37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; 38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.
@reasonlight Can't you come up with something better then that hadith is weak or strong?? It's weak when you want to and it's strong when you want to. And in the middle east little children are taught these verses and martyrdom which leads to paradise..... You know what... You think you've found god.... WAKE UP!!!!! You have found his adversary instead!
@reasonlight Even the bible tells us about jizya and islam:
Dan 11 31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
@reasonlight Dan 11 is about islam and jizya. Lets read the next verses proclaiming what was to come. read 36 to 45. He will destroy many mighty people (byzantine, egypt, persia, carthage, india, spain,etc,etc,etc.) He will pitch up his royal tents between the seas and the beautiful land. Those seas are the acabean sae, the red sea, the black sea and the kaspian sea. This is the muslim empire called the ottomans and moors.
@reasonlight He will exalt himself above all the gods (allahu akhbar), he will not honor the desires of women (islam.......), he will honor his god with gold, silver and precious stones (zakat), he will honor a god of fortresses - a god of WAR! (WHAT IS JIHAD???? WAR TO HONOR ALLAH!)
@reasonlight Zakat is honoring allah and paying for the very costly jihad. In our days with no caliphate it could be called alms to the poor as there is no longer an islamic government instituted with the spreading of islam by the sword. The fall of the ottoman empire, remember???
@reasonlight He will show no regard to the god(s) of his fathers. Allah is the arab moongod, the father of al-lat, al uzza and manat. One of the 360 pagan gods of the kaaba. Muhammad did NOT honor the god(s) of his fathers but changed the identity of their beloved moongod to a god unknown by the world until then. A convergence between the god of israel and the many pagan customs and like the ramadan and the hadj. This is about islam. In fact the entire concept of islam is in there.
@reasonlight Tailor made???? Look god foretold this long ago.... That in the latter time people would see a prophecy and they would say: I don't see anything,
@reasonlight The worst is not me being right. The worst is that god is exposing your religion and that it is false and your hardening your heart.... Might you make a mistake???? Well you believe i'm wrong. Do you think you are blessed above anyone else because you call yourself me?? Am i not woven in the womb of my mother by the same god???
@reasonlight 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer.
Meaning the gold, and the silver and the bronze will return. (iraq, iran and turkey).
That is what is happening right now.. prophecied more then 2500 years ago.
@reasonlight Your telling me this is not about islam.. So when the messiah comes he will destroy babylon, persia and greece (turkey)... which is the composition of the iron and clay. (striking the feet of iron and clay will destroy the gold, silver, bronze AND iron) And all those are muslim.. But he himself will be muslim and kill the jews and christians. See you've found the adversary.... See daniel is telling us the final kingdom is composed of the former. Of their geologic locations.
@reasonlight dan11:42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission.
In addition to its strategic location, Egypt was desired by the Muslim Arabs for its richness and prosperity. In his attempts to convince Umar, Amr was quoted saying:
O Commander of the Faithful, permit me to march on Egypt. It will be a source of strength and sustenance for the Muslims. It is the richest of lands on earth [8].
See, daniel foretold the islamic conquest and the desecration and destruction they would bring on the land.
It all happened at the prophecied dates! 11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
abolition of daily sacrifice was in 583BC, 1290 (360 day) years later the dome of the rock was built on the templemount by the muslims in 688AD. And those who leave the covenant with god are flattered by not being killed and/or discriminated.
@reasonlight You think you have found god, but you have found his adversary. God has instructed us thousands of years before it happened about what would happen. About islam.
@reasonlight The bible tells us the exact date that the ottomans would be conquered in vienna. And that this would be the end of that evil empire and the reconsecration of the holy land. 14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
583BC + 2300 * (360/365.25)= 1683AD -> the battle in vienna...... Islam is the destroyer and the desecrator... The enemy of god.
@reasonlight I think its good you disagree with me.. Wouldn't want your soul to be spoiled by muhammad. But your denial of reality doesn't change islam. Also it is deceiving as your deceiving people into thinking the qur'an is sweet and peaceful while it is not. Muhammad ordered the destruction of the jewish race and called them apes and christians are pigs to him who should be exterminated too. Thats what your prophet is about... And you are called a true unbeliever (if you truly feel this way)
@reasonlight Now your lies might work on ignorant people who have little or no knowledge of islam. You deceiver of nations. Prostitute and mother of abominations!
This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
This is a laughable lecture. Unfounded altogether.
reasonlight 1 year ago
Fear God O speaker. Allah has exalted bani Israel, Jews and rewarded them prophethood. Zkarya was Jew, his son Yahya was Jew, Jesus was Jew. About Maryam, mother of Jesus and a Jewess Allah says in Quran. وَإِذْ قَالَتِ الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَا مَرْيَمُ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ اصْطَفَاكِ وَطَهَّرَكِ وَاصْطَفَاكِ عَلَىٰ نِسَاءِ الْعَالَمِينَ
At many places Quran has comliments about People of Book who include Jews.
How the Master of this Universe can be against his creation? Dont misguide.
reasonlight 1 year ago
Everybody with a bit of a brain knows that Islam is one big scam.
Muhammad was just an early Hitler, and needed to justify this absolute evil with a tremendous amount of religions crap.
Everybody who buys this crap is a complete retard and idiot.
TWITVB 1 year ago
oh allah give me the auspicious chance to
PERFORM JIHAD TO KUFFAR AAMEEN
oh allah do reward me with your paradise against performing your auspisious duty of
JIHAAD
LONG LIVE JIHAAD
allaho akbar
islam zindabaad
ala lanatullahe alal kafereen
attention! allah's lanat is on kafereen
garammasalawala 1 year ago
Quran says: Surely those who believe, and those who are JEWS and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (2:62). Only an idiot can say that Quran is against the Jews.
He is quoting hadis which has no foundation and credibility.
reasonlight 1 year ago
The alleged Seerat book of Ibn Ishaq never existed. Quran is not against the Jews. Vers 5:69 says that the Jews who believe in one god on life hereafter and do good deeds will have nothing to fear. There are so many verses in Quran who praise Jews. Only such Jews are condemned who associate partners with God.
reasonlight 1 year ago
this guy smokes islam!!!
chriss179 3 years ago 2
@chriss179 This guy is rather hate mongering to gain prominence and recognition.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight This guy is smoking islam like i said... The only way for muslims to respond is like you do. Have a nice day.
chriss179 1 year ago
If anyone criticises allah, muhammad or the umma he is a hate mongerer, racist, xenophobe and adolph hitler and more then all these.... Thats the way muslims deal with the hatred in their scripture... Accuse anyone who criticises it of hate themselves.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight A rather pathetic attempt. But when the world shits in their pants to criticise islam they greedily submit to these ignorant lies.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 I have quoted from Quran. No more arguments needed. Quan says "Surely those who believe, and those who are JEWS and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is NO fear for them, nor shall they grieve. They will be rewarded for their deeds(2:62).
Only an idiot can say that Quran is against the Jews.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight yes, do recite the abrogated verses... A normal muslim tactic to deceive the unknowing. These verses have been replaced with the verses of the sword. there are
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 The concept of abrogation in Quran was originally invented during the fourth century A.H (late 10th century A.D). Among them are notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq famous as Al-Denary (died 318 A.H), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject. Quran refutes this.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Dude, the concept of abrogation was invented by either muhammad or his personal angel.... He substituted verses with "something better" as he himself proclaims. In islam there is a mixed bag of violent and peaceful verses. THe violent verses are sort of the islamic NEW TESTAMENT. They replace the old verses which are peaceful. And the new verses are the jihad verses. The verses of the sword.
It's like this.. YOu never know if the muslim your debating is a liberal of fundamental.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight But what you can see is if they fight the ones exposing this issue... Thats where their agenda becomes obvious. You should be fighting your islam, not the people exposing its evil.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight more then 100 verses of the sword (jihad). including 3:28 (do not take unbelievers as friends, those who do this have no connection with allah) 5:51 (same as 3:28), suira 9:5 fight the unbeliever wherever you find them, 9:39 if you do not fight in jihad for allah, he will throw you in hell. sura 9:29, etc,etc,etc,etc.. You cannot deceive me because i know your filthy book, your filthy prophet and your filthy umma.
chriss179 1 year ago
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@chriss179 Quran permits fighting with only those who fight. Verse 2:190 reads "And fight in the way of Allah WITH THOSE WHO FIGHT WITH YOU, and DO NOT EXCEED THE LIMITS, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. All the verses you mention are relating such wars which were imposed.In Arabic Jihad is not war. For war the Arabic is Qital. If I deceive, I am deceiving myself.
reasonlight 1 year ago
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@reasonlight The only acceptable muslims are muslims who don't or follow the qur'an. Those who don't want to have anything to do with the depravities and filth of muhammads sharia but "believe there is a god".
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight sahih bukhari book 41 no 6985
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
This tells it all...........
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 You are quoting Sahih Bukhari. Do you think it is more reliable than Quran. It was invented 300 years after the demise of Muhammad. This book is widely accepted as fiction and figment.
About Jews and Christians Quran says" If they followed Taurat and the Injeel and what was revealed to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded", "There are moderate people also among them".(5:66).There are several frendly references in Quran about the People of Book.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight i'm qouting sahih bukhari and do i believe that the hadiths are written by muslims giving record of the life of the prophet??? Yes! No, the hadiths are strong when you like and are weak when you like. But this is accepted teaching in all the schools of islam. And it might be bad for the image of islam in the west. But things do not become true or false over the damage to islams image in the west......
Likewise 5:51 and 3:28 And they ARE qur'an.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 You write" the hadiths are written by muslims giving record of the life of the prophet??? Yes! No". My reply is NO. You write "the hadiths are strong when you like and are weak when you like".
My reply is that it should either be true or false. It cannot be both. I have no reason to believe that those could be true.
Coming to Jews, please read 7:159 which says, "Among the people of Moses is a section that SHOWS WAY TO THE TRUTH AND DEALS JUSTLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH IT. (contd.)
reasonlight 1 year ago
@chriss179 (contd). We observe in 7:159 mentioned earlier, that Quran does not identify any group leaving no occasion for any body to target any group of Jews for condemnation and contempt.
Forgetting Quran, hadis and history, the ground reality is that there is NO rivalry between the so called muslims and the Jews.
Christians however blame Jews clergies for killing Jesus Christ.
In 5:51 "do not make them allies" does not mean fight with them.
In 3:28, "do not prefer" is NOT hostility .
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Do not be their friends even if they would die for you. What that means is you have to hate your friends if they do not believe in muhammad as allah's messenger. Allah sees all. To him is the ending.... And if you cannot openly hate them because you would be deported out of the country you are to speak in a friendly fashion (taqiyya) while your heart dislike this. Meaning you hate them to death but in your words you love them to death.......
Lets look at 3:28....
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 Here is 4:28 "Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya or supporters, superseding the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you for him , and to Allah is the final return".
What is bad in it?
Quran warns "and let not hatred of a people incite you to exceed the limits, help one another in goodness and piety, not in sin aggression; and be careful of Allah;(5:2)
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Exactly... Can you not read???? What does it mean not to take non muslims as friends/protectors/patrons??? You seem not to have the slightest clue.... It means they are the enemies of allah and you should be doing jihad..... Not loving them... Allah has to conquer the world.. Since he lost the battle against god. Now he has to conquer the world and kill all the jews. Exactly.... Boy, you are a muslim for 4 years and you seem to be ignorant of your own qur'an.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 How derive such a conclusion? May be after watching such videos. Dont believe them.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight
Explanation of altafsir
(Let not the believers take) the believers ought not to take [the hypocrites:] 'Abdullah Ibn Ubayy and his companions [and] (disbelievers) the Jews (for their friends) so as to become mighty and honourable (in preference to believers) who are sincere. (Whoso doeth that) seeking might and honour [by taking the hypocrites and disbelievers as friends] (hath no connection with Allah)
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 The Explanation of altafsir are based on hadis. Hadis can be weak as you say. You my dear, ignore all that. I am a Muslim for about 4years. Not ethnic muslim they all are. I studied Quran and soon realized that I could become a muslim without officially changing the brand of my then religion. Tafsir people want to change Quran. Quran explains in 10:15. "When my verses recited to them they say alter it or bring another Quran. Tell them I follow what is revealed and cannot amend it.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight
has no honour, mercy or protection from Allah (unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them) save yourselves from them, (taking (as it were) security) saving yourselves from them by speaking in a friendly way towards them with, while your hearts dislikes this.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight
(Allah bideth you beware (only) of Himself) regarding the shunning of unlawful killing, unlawful sex, unlawful property, consuming intoxicants, false testimony and associating partners with Allah. (Unto Allah is the journeying) the return after death.
You see, you have to hate all non muslims.... Thats the personality change allah got in medina... All of a sudden islam was in war with the world.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Muhammad said in mekkah: To you be your religion and to me mine, let there be no compulsion in religion. In medina he said: If anyone seek any religion other then islam, it will never be accepted!
Now which do you choose?? The medinian verses are the new testament. Meaning they are what to do and the old is what not to do. So you who deceives the ignorant people will use the mekkan verses and never mention the medinian verses. Or claim they are only for you to defend yourself..
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 You write " Muhammad said in mekkah: To you be your religion and to me mine, let there be no compulsion in religion. In medina he said: If anyone seeks any religion other then islam, it will never be accepted!
There should be no confusion on these statements. Yes there is no compulsion and Allah expects submission. If one chooses other way he is doing so at his own risk. No Maccan /Madnian in Quran. The author is same and is responsible for his declarations. Thanks for response.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Now if i take my bible and go on vacation in saudi arabia. If i pray in my private hotel room.. I GET IMPRISONED! OR EVEN KILLED! DECAPITATED! Why is that?? Because this is what the qur'an teaches.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 dear, Saudi Arabia is no Islam. Quran respects Gospel, Torah etc.Verse 6:66 "And if they had followed the teachings of the Torah and the Gospel, and what has been sent down to them by their Lord, they would surely have enjoyed blessings from the heavens above and the earth below their feet.
If they do what you say they are against Quran and shall be punished.
Chriss, if you think I am deceiving, we cannot proceed further. Please appreciate, I analyze your each post sincerely.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Oh yes, saudi is 100% islam. Those who pray in secret to yhwh are killed by the verse after the one saying that if anyone saves a human life it is as if he has saved all humanity. The one saying For those who cause mischief in the land, cut off their hands and feet from opposite sides, crucify them and banish them from the land. If any tourist has a bible with him he is rejected to enter..
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 "Oh yes, saudi is 100% islam". How you say that . I quoted Quran.
Do you insist even if they are acting against Quran?
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight this does not work by ex falso sequitur quodlibet. Saying if they do anything that contradicts to the qur'an or islam then they cannot be a fundamentalist state. Darkness does not come instantly but it gradualy enters. Even in being infidel to the qur'an. THe saudi's trade oil with the west which they should not according to the qur'an. Because now we are their patrons. Just look at worm obama praising the muslims on tv. Do they look for honor and might in the unbeliever?
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
Now an ignorant muslim like you told me that eating pork is the source of all evil in the world and killing swine means isa will slaughter all the pigs so nobody can eat pork ever again.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight You know what??? Even an idiot can understand that the killing of swine means the mass ethnic cleansing of the christians. how is he going to break the cross if people will keep creating new ones? Yeah thats how much muhammad loves jews and christians. All christians and jews have to be exterminated... Hmm sounds much like the devil in revelation 12..
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Rev 12
17Then the dragon(satan) was enraged at the woman(israel) and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight rev 12
14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
See the serpent is the devil.. This actualy means that the israelites fled from israel to not be totaly exterminated.. How staggering that islam indeed instructs to exterminate all the jews. Now i know you are the final beast kingdom. The antichrist! babylon!
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight did you know that your isa dies twice?? He was raised up unto heaven after his "RESURECTION" in the qur'an and then he comes back to live another 40 years and die again?? See muhammad knew jesus died on the cross so it is logically that he would make a mistake once.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight
[3:55] Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.
Jesus dies twice in the qur'an. For what???? He was sinless wasn't he?? (3: 46; 6: 86; 19: 19). How many times does he have to die for allah???
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight No more arguments needed.. Islam is demonic, evil and has no place under the sun god made. And it soon will be destroyed. You are the beast spoken about by the prophet john when he wrote: rev17:8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.
chriss179 1 year ago
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@chriss179 You write no more argument. Ok
Please explain your "You are the beast spoken about by the prophet john when he wrote: rev17:8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction".
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight The beast which you saw once was (babylon, persia, greece) now is not (rome) yet will come........ all that came was the islamic empire alone. Yet it will go to its destruction... You will get what you deserve. A douible proportion of the cup you gave the world to drink/
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 The top killers of humanity namely, Hitler, Stalin, Missoulini, Mao tse tung, Asoka etc were not muslims and were not following Quran.
Your comments are either based on ignorance or you are biased.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Ahh so the 70 million who died in the second jihad are not mentioned?? Muslims have killed more indians in the second jihad then all of the above mentioned. And in all its history you have killed over 200 million people. Yes, islam takes the crown. Not atheism, buddhism or hinduism.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179, I dont know what you are talking about? The figure seems a mistake. May be seventy!
You know Jihad is not war in Quran. It is struggle. For war there is another word in Quran. Yesterday I have quoted a verse from Quran. I repeat. Verse 2:190 And fight in the way of Allah WITH THOSE WHO FIGHT WITH YOU, and DO NOT EXCEED THE LIMITS, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits".
If I have killed 200m people or even 200 people, I made mistake and shall be accountable.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight I know you can't handle your filthy religion being exposed. It is what it is...... Don't fight me.. Fight your filthy prophet.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Yeah do not take them as friends means they do not want to fight you.. Nobody puts a gun to your head and tells you: Do you want to be my friend?? This taqiyya is not protection against an enemy.. These are friends who love you and allah bides you beware, DO NOT LOVE YOUR FRIENDS! YOu have to hate them or you have no connection with allah!!! No mercy! No honor! You are a loser! (5:53)
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight yeah jihad means struggle and so does mein kampf. That only proves the same spirit (the devil) was on those persons.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight You know what. ALlah calls loving people losers.. Really even if i didn't know the loving god who made all this, i would have a gut feeling that he himself is the greatest of all losers..... Allahu akhbar kafir bilaah.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight The christ king told us that there had to come reasons to stumble but whoever causes one of these little ones to stumble. It would be better for him to have drown himself in the depths of the sea then to cause one of these little children to stumble. I tell you your muhammad and his angel will be tortured in hellfire in a way that surpasses all understanding. They will both acknowledge who is the lord. That they should not have caused so many people to stumble.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight I tell you the truth. Even if judgement day would be eternal, muhammad could never look into gods eyes. Because those eyes are a mirror giving the perfect reflection of the soul. I tell you the truth. Muhammad would never dare to look into those eyes and since judgement day will the beginning of something new, if he could he would forget this life. living in hell is easier to him then the recollection of his life and how many souls he in servitude to the cursed angel destroyed.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 I appreciate your prowess. We are not discussing Muhammad. It is not established that Quran is against the Jews. I quote 5:66
وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ أَقَامُوا التَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِم مِّن رَّبِّهِمْ لَأَكَلُوا مِن فَوْقِهِمْ وَمِن تَحْتِ أَرْجُلِهِم ۚ مِّنْهُمْ أُمَّةٌ مُّقْتَصِدَةٌ ۖ وَكَثِيرٌ مِّنْهُمْ سَاءَ مَا يَعْمَلُونَ ﴿
Quran praises people among Jews as some of the nicest people and also that they are on right path.
Allah knows Muhammad well.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Muhammad indeed was a worm who had 2 major times of revelations. All your arguments are the mekkan revelations which have been surpassed by something better.
"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause it to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou that God has power over all things?' "
What do you say about what isa does when he comes?? Break cross and kill swine??
chriss179 1 year ago
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@chriss179 you write " What do you say about what isa does when he comes?? Break cross and kill swine??"
From where you learn all that? It is not in Quran.
What "2 major times of revelations"?
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Muhammad had 2 major times of revelations. First the mekkan period secondly the medinian period. In mekkah is the period he prophecied all the peacefull verses.
watch?v=j36SfiV5Uj4
And yes, when jesus comes he will break the cross and kill the swine. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book 37, Number 4310: )
chriss179 1 year ago
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@chriss179 You write "Muhammad had 2 major times of revelations. First the mekkan period secondly the medinian period. In mekkah is the period he prophecied all the peacefull verses" There is no such division in Quran. All suras are from same author. Quran doesn't endorse this. Thanks for your post.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Now either you are ignorant of this fact or you are a blatant deceiver. The qur'an is a mixed bag or peaceful and violent verses. And all the peaceful verses have been abrogated by the violent verses. If you do not know this then do some study on the life of the prophet. READ THE HADITHS! If you mean to say there is no such division then explain to me: Instill terror in their hearts and strike ye at their necks. or sura 9:5, 9:29,9:39. Do you really understand what allah is saying?
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 chriss179 Quran says "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight against you, but do not aggression. Allah does not love the aggressors. (2:190)The verses you mention 9:5, 9:29,9:39 are applicable only for 'those who fight with you".
Abrogation theory was invented 300 years after Quran. I have posted on this on other threads. I will not repeat.
Do not entertain disturbing thoughts. Bad for your health.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight No king ever in history has refused his subordinates to defend themselves. No king has ever had to tell anyone to fight his enemies who would be destroying them.. This is an insulting lie and contradicts not only logic but also every instruction of muhammad who ordained that you FIGHT the unbelievers "WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM". He did not say "invading forces" but unbelievers.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight It was muhammad himself who wrote the letter to the byzantine king saying "SUBMIT TO ISLAM OR BE DESTROYED". When the byzantine king tore the letter to pieces muhammad himself said: Like he has torn my letter to pieces, allah will tear his kingdom to pieces. And how did that happen??? In jihad. Likewise the moors and the ottomans have conquered in BATTLE egypt, persia, india, carthage, spain, greece, romania and all the way to vienna and tours. Both ends of both jihads foretold.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Dan 12: 11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
We've already seen what the abomination of desolation is. It is the dome of the rock - proclaiming there is no god but allah and muhammad being the prophet of this pagan god. But the 1335 days is calculated to
583bc + 1335 * (360/365.25) = 732AD
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight October 10 732AD -> Battle of Tours: Near Poitiers, France, leader of the Franks Charles Martel and his men, defeat a large army of Moors under the governor of Cordoba, Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, who is killed during the battle. The Battle of Tours halts the advance of Islam into Western Europe and establishes a balance of power between Western Europe, Islam and the Byzantine Empire.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight If anyone would throw 3 winning lottery numbers in a row at your feet wouldn't you become suspicious as to how he knew those numbers?? Wouldn't you ask yourself if this is some kind of coincidence??? Corruption of the bible?? Satan does not know the future or he would not have started the war against god. Hence the only logical explanation is that he was a prophet proclaiming what was to come. And it happened. Meaning islam is the destroyer prophecied by the prophets of israel.
chriss179 1 year ago
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@reasonlight What does it mean?? Slay them, kill them, beseige them, kill them wherever you find them. If you do not kill them you will go to hell. Do not take christians and jews for friends, whoever takes them for their friends is one of them and allah guideth not a people unjust. WHoever does that, take the hypocrites for their friends has no connection to allah. Whoever seek any religion other then islam, it shall never be accepted?????
You see there is contradiction here, how come??
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Your demanding i give you qur'an, so i did... And you shouldn't evade it.... Kill them is not allegorical killing. It means make them dead.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Book 37, Number 4310:
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
.........He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
So jesus dies twice, will kill the swine (being the ethnical cleansing of all christians) and break the cross (no christian will survive)
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 You write " Book 37, Number 4310:Narrated AbuHurayrah:.........He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah... If I start believing all such stupid hadith, I could never come near Islam. Swine is not Christians and cross is not Christianity.Sagest is to ignore them. They do nothing but confusing.
Refer Quran or Bible.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight i've read the most heart warming explanation about that verse from a deceiver like you. He told us pork meat is the source of all the evil in the world. So isa is going to mass murder all the pigs, so nobody can eat swine ever again. And he wrote that christians will break their own crosses, denying that isa will break the cross. But how does that tie in to abolishing jizya??? Jizya is discriminatory tax for unbelievers under sharia law. Which means every jew and christian is dead.
chriss179 1 year ago
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@chriss179 Quran says "Those who believe, Jews, Christians and Sabaeans whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear nor are they saddened. (2:62) No discrimination. No Isa is coming to kill pigs. I am not deceiving you. If I do, I will deceive myself. What is Jizya? Show me any verse of Quran about Jizya.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight sura 9:29.
Jizya is the discriminatory taxation of non muslims in muslim countries under sharia law. It is "PROTECTION" money. Money for safe conduct. View the last video i recommended to you. It includes a letter of the jewish and christians under islamic law.
Jizya is the same as maffia protection money. If you do not pay us to protect you (FROM OURSELVES) we will kill you.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 They came to kill. fought and got defeated. The suggests the terms for those inflicted war and got defeated. Even today such taxes and terms are valid.
It is not plausible way to single out one verse and base argument on it. There should be proper context.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@chriss179 In which Muslim country you find non muslims paying Jizya?
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight In which country do you find fundamentalist islamic governments since the end of the ottoman empire? Read wikipedia on the era between 1683 and 1922 and you will see that the great islamic empire was broken up into more then 40 countries where democracy ruled and sharia was abolished. Did you ever hear of attaturk???? This empire is prophecied to come again in the bible. But fractured and consisting of the empires of old (babylon, persia and greece - which is turkey today) cont.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Read daniel 2 it tells the story.. The gold is babylon, the silver is persia, the bronze is greece (turkey today), the iron is the ottomans and the iron and clay is the new empire that will yet come. The islamic empire which will be fractured and divided into 2 people (sunni and shia), and the empires of old. Which the messiah is coming to destroy. (dan 2:44 It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.)
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 NO. The Silver is Babylon and gold is Persia.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Ahh yes, daniel tells nebukadnessar the KING OF BABYLON, that he is the golden head and the silver is babylon..... Right.....
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Dan 2 36 "This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. 37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; 38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.
YOU ARE THAT HEAD OF GOLD!
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Can't you come up with something better then that hadith is weak or strong?? It's weak when you want to and it's strong when you want to. And in the middle east little children are taught these verses and martyrdom which leads to paradise..... You know what... You think you've found god.... WAKE UP!!!!! You have found his adversary instead!
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 Yes, You are right. Weak or strong hadis is a fraud. There is nothing in between truth and a lie.
I dont find any reason to believe a hadis.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight watch?v=j36SfiV5Uj4 starting at 6:06
chriss179 1 year ago
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@reasonlight sura 9:29 .. until they pay the jizya with willing submission..
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Even the bible tells us about jizya and islam:
Dan 11 31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 Dan 11 31 Is not about Jizya and Islam.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Dan 11 is about islam and jizya. Lets read the next verses proclaiming what was to come. read 36 to 45. He will destroy many mighty people (byzantine, egypt, persia, carthage, india, spain,etc,etc,etc.) He will pitch up his royal tents between the seas and the beautiful land. Those seas are the acabean sae, the red sea, the black sea and the kaspian sea. This is the muslim empire called the ottomans and moors.
chriss179 1 year ago
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@chriss179 I did not find "byzantine, egypt, persia, carthage, india, spain,etc,etc,etc.in Dan 11. Which version you are referring?
Now we are away from the original discussion.
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight He will exalt himself above all the gods (allahu akhbar), he will not honor the desires of women (islam.......), he will honor his god with gold, silver and precious stones (zakat), he will honor a god of fortresses - a god of WAR! (WHAT IS JIHAD???? WAR TO HONOR ALLAH!)
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 Zakat is not honoring God. Who he?
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Zakat is honoring allah and paying for the very costly jihad. In our days with no caliphate it could be called alms to the poor as there is no longer an islamic government instituted with the spreading of islam by the sword. The fall of the ottoman empire, remember???
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight The king of the south is egypt and the king of the north is the byzantine empire (with help of the crusaders).
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight He will show no regard to the god(s) of his fathers. Allah is the arab moongod, the father of al-lat, al uzza and manat. One of the 360 pagan gods of the kaaba. Muhammad did NOT honor the god(s) of his fathers but changed the identity of their beloved moongod to a god unknown by the world until then. A convergence between the god of israel and the many pagan customs and like the ramadan and the hadj. This is about islam. In fact the entire concept of islam is in there.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 These are explanations of prophecies. These explanations often come after the happenings. Tailor made. Isnt it?
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight Tailor made???? Look god foretold this long ago.... That in the latter time people would see a prophecy and they would say: I don't see anything,
Matthew 13:14 (New International Version)
14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: " 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
All the important dates of the rise AND fall of islam, every event and aspect of islam is prophecied and you can't perceive it.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight The worst is not me being right. The worst is that god is exposing your religion and that it is false and your hardening your heart.... Might you make a mistake???? Well you believe i'm wrong. Do you think you are blessed above anyone else because you call yourself me?? Am i not woven in the womb of my mother by the same god???
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight 34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer.
Meaning the gold, and the silver and the bronze will return. (iraq, iran and turkey).
That is what is happening right now.. prophecied more then 2500 years ago.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Your telling me this is not about islam.. So when the messiah comes he will destroy babylon, persia and greece (turkey)... which is the composition of the iron and clay. (striking the feet of iron and clay will destroy the gold, silver, bronze AND iron) And all those are muslim.. But he himself will be muslim and kill the jews and christians. See you've found the adversary.... See daniel is telling us the final kingdom is composed of the former. Of their geologic locations.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight dan11:42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission.
Wiki: cont.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 . You do not seem to use your head. Are you priest?
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight I don't seem to use my head????? Can you please use arguments in your empty rhetoric??
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight
In addition to its strategic location, Egypt was desired by the Muslim Arabs for its richness and prosperity. In his attempts to convince Umar, Amr was quoted saying:
O Commander of the Faithful, permit me to march on Egypt. It will be a source of strength and sustenance for the Muslims. It is the richest of lands on earth [8].
See, daniel foretold the islamic conquest and the desecration and destruction they would bring on the land.
chriss179 1 year ago
@chriss179 . You do not seem to use your head. Are you a priest?
reasonlight 1 year ago
@reasonlight
It all happened at the prophecied dates! 11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
abolition of daily sacrifice was in 583BC, 1290 (360 day) years later the dome of the rock was built on the templemount by the muslims in 688AD. And those who leave the covenant with god are flattered by not being killed and/or discriminated.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight You think you have found god, but you have found his adversary. God has instructed us thousands of years before it happened about what would happen. About islam.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight The bible tells us the exact date that the ottomans would be conquered in vienna. And that this would be the end of that evil empire and the reconsecration of the holy land. 14 He said to me, "It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated."
583BC + 2300 * (360/365.25)= 1683AD -> the battle in vienna...... Islam is the destroyer and the desecrator... The enemy of god.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight That verse was written down in 550BC (dan 8: 1 In the third year of King Belshazzar's reign, I, Daniel, had a vision)
That is 2133 years before it happened. See, god warned us thousands of years ahead about what was to happen.
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight I know, the extermination of all christians is weak. The extermination of all jews is weak. And you know what?? YOU ARE WEAK TOO!
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight I think its good you disagree with me.. Wouldn't want your soul to be spoiled by muhammad. But your denial of reality doesn't change islam. Also it is deceiving as your deceiving people into thinking the qur'an is sweet and peaceful while it is not. Muhammad ordered the destruction of the jewish race and called them apes and christians are pigs to him who should be exterminated too. Thats what your prophet is about... And you are called a true unbeliever (if you truly feel this way)
chriss179 1 year ago
@reasonlight Now your lies might work on ignorant people who have little or no knowledge of islam. You deceiver of nations. Prostitute and mother of abominations!
This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Thats you! Filthy muslims.
chriss179 1 year ago