You are all a bunch of thick headed fucks. What you retards who are claiming this is albanian dont know is that Greece was under ottoman control for 400 fucking years! Things are bound to be shared borrowed and manipulated to a different style As many open minded people would know, Turks and Greeks have alot in common You have to understand the history of the greeks before you start claiming this is Albanian. Greek is one of the oldest languages around. If anything YOU stole from us!
@alti73 it is simple ... a country like yours, cant give civilization to a country with 5000 years of civilization... you just receive things ...not give.. and of course your country is foul of greek cities, that you have take them.. appolonia, argurokastro, agioi saranta, and many more... so you just steal and not give
@grculturefun first at all what exactly is connection between ancient greek and modern one???? most of moderrn greeks came from asia minor with exchange of population the rest are vallachian slavs and arvanite ... as for we steeling is other way around that dress which u proudly claim as greek is an albanian dress so go read book or two then tell me about ur 5000 year civilisation....
@alti73 you albanias dont know history! read study and then tell me again that i am not ancient greek... fustanella is the cloth of ancient hoplites as homer says... arvanites are greeks of course... albanias are what? old year shepherd who came to balkans.. fuck of .. i am really boring to answer u again
@grculturefun hahahahaha arvanites are greeks hahahahahahah im even bother to answer that watch here ......Alvanoi - Arvanites - Shqipetar - fustanella (Skai new documentary 1821)albanian subs
@alti73 this teacher who is in skai, is an athnelinistic personality... thats why he is the only one who speak for albanian arvanites... there is not anyone more profesor who believes that
@grculturefun is not only that teacher in skai we have so many historians and writers including lord byron discribed fustanella as an exlusive albanian dress according to finley faustanella become greek nationl costume around midle of 18 century
@alti73 historically, homer refairs to myrmidons wearing fustanella, or hlamida. when someone speaks for albania in this age, means albanian territory, but not like a tribe.. albanians where no tribe... they use word albania as a territory and not like a country. albanian territory was something like thesaliam or macedonia, including greek population, even from byzantium empire... dont read history with paragraphs and keep your thought about a word albania.. read whole history to make opinion
@grculturefun i dont get your point i think i was very clear in my reply to be4 greek revolution fustanella was was only used by albanian speaking people is as simple as that
The Greeks have NOT stolen this from the Albanians... that's why they feel it belongs to them.
But they have stolen their "Greek" language and have made it their own. Just to get respect from the Western world regarding a "glorious" ancestry... While they are just Albanians.
As they say: "A Greek is only an Albanian with low morals".
Oh, common! What the hell are they doing? Those costumes need some respect. Stop jumping around like circus monkeys. It's a warriors dress for god's sake! I am disgusted.
Check out the video responses. That is how it is done. Like real men.
And the idiot who screams aaaaaaa giasu pedia, elaaaaa....so gay. What does he think he is doing? Showing us the dancers asses. Typical greek..
Oh, common! What the hell are they doing? Those costumes need some respect. Stop jumping around like circus monkeys. It's a warriors dress for god's sake! I am disgusted.
And the idiot who screams aaaaaaa giasu pedia, elaaaaa....so gay. What does he think he is doing? Showing us the dancers asses. Typical greek..
A person who study culture and folklore, know more than ever than The Culture isnt a race, isnt an ethnicity. Here in subject "Tsamiko", i think is related with Tsams originally, later it was diffused in the Greek folklore, as the tsams in ottoman times, where the lords of the lands., as they where muslims. Modern studies of cultures dont accept the term "steal" to define the origin of cultural elements. Greeks and Albanians since antiquity where neighbors, and shared much.
now, afgter seeing the ffirst video I am left wondering who is the original one! as in the who invented this dance or who had it first the albanians or the greeks?
There are Arvantikans with names like Zymantakis who dance like and are Elenofile. I see no problem with this because the music has been transmitted thru the different communities of Epirus.
Δινω ενα μεγαλοψυχο μπραβο στα παλικαρια μεσα απο τα βαθη της καρδιας μου,που δειχνουν πως πρεπει να διασκεδαζει ενας ΓΝΗΣΙΟΤΑΤΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ! Συγχαρητηρια παιδια,με κανατε να ανατριχιασω με τον ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟΤΑΤΟ τροπο που χορευετε... ΕΥΓΕ συμπατριωτες μου!
@Villiotis Really? Authentic greek? Then why don't you call it thesprotika instead of tsamiko? I think you need to learn your history. I am tsam (cham), i am Albanian. End of story.
I find it weird and horrible,the greek dancing the chamiko, a dance that belongs to the people of Chameria, whom were massacred brutally and forced to leave their homes .
First of all , I would like to agree with Arkadakis (that made a comment 2 years ago) an intro to dipato on a tsamiko, doesn't mix. The proto horeftis is totally off on his steps and off beat. If you guys are Levidiotes representing in the Greece, the US or Canada (you just killed the whole essence of the word "paradosi". It's the worst tsamiko i ever seen.
There's a Finnish breed of dog I thought looks handsome. Some good Finnish weightlifters. And the determined Captain Eric Finlander (Richard Widmark) from the 1965 classic "The Bedford Incident." Women in ancient China wore trousers, so did Eskimo women, and when in 868 AD the Bulgarians asked the Pope if they could wear trousers and be Christians, he said "yes." "Pants" comes from Pantalone, the top clown in the medieval Italian Comedy of the Arts. Apollo Dancers, don't take off the skirts
Heh, skirts ottaa tämän homman ihan tosissaan...nauretaanpa vähän! Koirarotu lienee Suomen pystykorva, tuskin Karjalan karhukoira. Onkohan kukaan kuullut tuosta kapteenista, joka on ainakin minulle täysin tuntematon...Ja voihan nuo etelämaalaiset äijät pitää hameensa, suomalaiselle miehelle se ei oikein osu ;)
The Finnish guy has a limited world view. He comes from a colder climate where people naturally wore pants. FYI the Roman legions wore skirts and woe be to any Finn who would have placed any (?) question mark by their statement of masculinity.
Considering some of the Albanian vs Greek and Greek vs Albanian hostilities stated in this thread, a civil remark is refreshing. As for skirts, have you not noticed that as they are garments not having a "crotch" they naturally allow men more space than women? It is men not women who need the extra space! Trousers are primarily a horseback riding costume and never existed because men need them to be men.
Sure it's greek, why not?? And it's not camiko it's Tsamiko.. South Albania once was part of greece and thats why Albanians think, after we lost this Area to you mummies, that the culture you adopted is albanian...sorry guys.
It's really sad to see that there is really no albanian culture and the only thing what you guys do is to searching for an identity, although you should know that the real albanian culture got lost after you became turks best friend after 1300 a.Chr.
Further more than Neoptolemos replied, would you get us some Albanian Tsamiko to see how you dance it nowdays ??????
As for foustanela, I do not think that this is your traditional dressing ....I just remind you that you followed ottomans way of dressing for centuries, while Efzones' Dress comes from the depths of Greek Antiquety.
So go back to the Albanian mountains and fuck some goats before come here to claim our tradition as yours!!!!!!!!!!!
it is cam dance you dumb fuck.look at the name look camiko.and there are plenty just search it in youtube.
fustanella comes from greek antiquity???? hahaha
yes that is why it is only in 1821 that it comes up in greek history aperrently and worn by whom???? arberors-arbanites.so much for greek antiquity.while we wore it from northern illyria to the south.
so now i shall go to your sister and fuck her i dont like goats but am sure you enjoy the male goat you faggot.
it is not camiko you dirty asshole albanian, it is TSAMIKOS.
1821 WAS THE DATE THAT WE BEGAN TO FUCK YOU AND AS IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU WANT MORE.
Would you tell us a link to see how you dance it....apparently not.
It seems you know limited things about Hellic History and of course you remember only the days that the pain in your ass was hard...what is the issue here... nostalgy maybe?
Abot Arvanites ...you can try to tell them that you consider them as Alabanians...it would be a good enough reason for them to rip your asses in pieces.
Well, about your willing to fuck my sister. (hahahahahahahahahaha) let me inform you that she is fucking with men only and not albanoids.
For the present time just try to wipe your sister from bordels of Athens.
u say fuck albanian?!how u come so curagious than?!!!!!!have u balls to say this words in front to an albanian?for sure not!even in greec!there ur strong i forget!bot u think turkay make u to slavery?nooo they was just albanian!and to much some!they fuck urs woman and after all the sons bastards normal that take some bravery from fathers side!hahahahahatchamico is pure albanian danc!is called somebody OSMAN TAKA n greec?nooo he was just albanian!SO! FUCK U FUCKING LIERS!
first of you faggot ass it is camiko.and a link i told you but aperently you were thinking of dick licking styles.so let me say it again just search camiko motherfucker.and greeks fuck?? i thought they just ran ass first into dicks and they go to crete and dance about it with balerina costumes??? are you saying i heard wrong??hahahahahaha
please guys quit the complaining. look who really cares who came up with it first? either way its cultural diffusion and its affected every civilization, so we can all say that we've "stolen" others ideas and had ours stolen. just appreciate the dance.
and then you suddenly saw the rest of the world...and the thing were not like Hotza told you....you are not the greatest nation in Europe ... you are not the richest...you are not the oldest...it is hard for you I can see it...but this is the truth
Hey, sorry but it seems like you are really dump and just trying to provoke. Greece IS the oldest european nation, but not only this, it's the BEGINNING OF ALL EUROPEAN thinking. Go back to Albania where you can eat cokroaches.
balkancoolhead, Greek proto-nationalism has been evident since the 11th century. To say there is no such thing as a Greek ethnicity is incorrect not least because of the existence of a Greek language, but also a continual Greek historical consciousness since antiquity. It took a more modern and familiar form in the 11th century.
thank you to Albanians finally, from Greece. we are now ready to recognize the great contributions of the Arvanites and to recognize that without Ali Pasha carving out a space of autonomy from the Ottomans and above all, withou the great warrior Souliote Albanians, we would not have achieved independence from the Turks until much later.
"The object they [[the Greeks]] have in view is the hellenization of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina, and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. They fraternize easily with the Greeks."
"As yet, their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope with the possession of Janina to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of hellenism the finest and most warlike race in South-Eastern Europe."
When I say Greek, I of course mean in an ethnic and cultural way - e.g. same language, norms and values. By this definition, most Greeks in Greece as well as all the Diaspora.
Also both articles you sited are out of date, and both from an imperialist british view point. I'm sure the city you were referring to was Ioannina, and that IS greek.
Lastly, I would point out that your choice of sources reflects war/conflict, not the ethnic uncertainty of Greeks.
nice try keighj, there is no ethnic notion of greek, anyone who has studied history knows that. as for the cultural/linguistic identity, that is a more reasonable subject of discussion.
what confuses the journey here is that the modern identity of greece conflates nationalism, religion, language, culture and ethnicity thus creating an impossible marriage, and one that, in addition to being scientifically unsupportable, is also quite racist and out of date by modern standards.
Actually I'm doing a major in Greek History, and I'm telling you there is a sense of an ethnic greek people. This is called 'hellenism'. There is most definately a hellenic people, even if they are politically or geographically divided.
I would point out that as a non-Greek, you are not qualified to make judgements on the existence of a greek ethnic identity.
Nationalism, religion, culture, language and ethnicity is a stupid sentence. Nationalism, religion and language are PART of culture.
Perhaps you should better familiarise yourself with those terms and how they correlate to each other.
Please explain to me, first, how is the combination of nationalism, religion, language, culture and ethnicity an impossible relationship? Second, demonstrate the 'scientific unsupportability' of this environment. Thirdly, what are 'modern standards'? American standards? British standards? Australian standards?
As for the racism, that's present in every society.
nice moral relativism argument and shameless greek nationalist bias. your university degree is obviously just a reinforcement of your childhood education at home, and you clearly lack any line of independent thought.
if you wish to take on a challenge in life, allow me to suggest that you choose a group somewhere in the world, that today you consider to be part of an inferior culture, and study them closely until you learn to love them as you love your yourself.
My childhood education at home? I've had my whole education, from primary school through to university in Australia, how is that biased?
As for challenges in life, I spent my gap year helping Medecins Sans Frontier in Cameroon, Africa and backpacking Europe/Asia. I know a thing or two about different cultures.
Look, so far your arguements have amounted to nil. You have neither made a consistent point nor properly addressed any I have made. Please stop wasting our time and your own.
your agenda is as clear as day, i suggest you apply for an analyst roll with the australian greek lobby. they need all the help they can get.
in the meantime, i suggest you put your msf expeditions on hold until you have developed the requisite compassion, humility and respect required to make a real contribution in this world.
clearly this is Albanian... as usual, the richest folk traditions in the region are found in their purest forms in Albania, and then watered down in neighboring regions... which is fine, but people should have the dignity and honor to recognize the Albanians for the wonderful folk culture that they have...
sthn piramida o enas exei skismeno kalson kai fenete apo katw mia tripa otan paei h kamera apo katw... xaxaxax gamatos! pantws gamane ta paidia, ainte wreeeeeeeee
hmmm mixing paradosi i see there.... well at least you guys enjoyd it and it was to greek folk music...not like in sydney where they would have danced that to an ana visi song...lol... keep it real!
ok first of all, tsamiko is never danced as a dipatos, thats an entirely different dance. The double level that was done is called dipatos and danced to a song called soussana. (killed tsamiko). the solo needs alot of work, too many of the same jumps, nothing was done on the floor, no foot work!! As an Arkadian, and tsamiko being the dance i love the most, this was one of the worst ive seen.... sorry
That was cool what them guys did ,2 levels,that was naughty what you did lynngurl01905 lol,us guys would get slapped around if it was switched around lol
ti oreos jorós! jorébete polí kalá pediá. Great that "piramid" thing, I dance tsamiko too, at a tavern an many others dances. Ya sas! nice video guys.
GREECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flat13onfire 1 day ago
should be singing in albanian not in greek!
arvanistas dhe shqiptare jan vllezur dhe kan nja gjak, stop greek prapadande dhe let the arvanita speak albanian
elistrushi 1 month ago
this is an albanian dance, dancing albanian came, shame on u all,
elistrushi 1 month ago
@TimTirana po altin meta
alti73 4 months ago
@TimTirana po bardhen kom pas kujdestare ka qen rob zoti
alti73 4 months ago
@TimTirana ti je me moshe me vllain tim sajmirin ka qene me blendin me i klase dhe shpiat njit i kemi hajt shnet hhahahaahahah
alti73 4 months ago
@TimTirana ska problem mer plak un ke brryli e kom shpine ke 23 nentori e kom bo shkollen
alti73 4 months ago
@TimTirana lol i think you answer the wrong person ?????
alti73 4 months ago
You are all a bunch of thick headed fucks. What you retards who are claiming this is albanian dont know is that Greece was under ottoman control for 400 fucking years! Things are bound to be shared borrowed and manipulated to a different style As many open minded people would know, Turks and Greeks have alot in common You have to understand the history of the greeks before you start claiming this is Albanian. Greek is one of the oldest languages around. If anything YOU stole from us!
im1hecticwog 6 months ago
still looks best when albanians dance it ..
BlizzardRoach 7 months ago
brouklakia?
rakoonloufa88 7 months ago
what a fuck ?! Its not greek itc tchams dance... Its Albanians...
milanistidoc 8 months ago
@milanistidoc nice joke
grculturefun 5 months ago
Njeri i paska getat e shpuara , do ket qene duke u qire ne bithe , ore sjeni per kete valle ju ore , RROFTE CAMERIA
bledalb 10 months ago
@ariesmp, those are called "greek dancing costumes" its a tradition to wear them.
plus they aren't jumping around like monkeys, they are ACTUALLY dancing.
if you did that, you'd get laughed at, but these guys, are REAL men. Stop hatin.
AlexTheCupcake 11 months ago
it,s funny how greeks claim the dance as theirs ??? i mean the dance istself is called tsamiko (cham)
alti73 11 months ago
@alti73 it is simple ... a country like yours, cant give civilization to a country with 5000 years of civilization... you just receive things ...not give.. and of course your country is foul of greek cities, that you have take them.. appolonia, argurokastro, agioi saranta, and many more... so you just steal and not give
grculturefun 5 months ago
@grculturefun first at all what exactly is connection between ancient greek and modern one???? most of moderrn greeks came from asia minor with exchange of population the rest are vallachian slavs and arvanite ... as for we steeling is other way around that dress which u proudly claim as greek is an albanian dress so go read book or two then tell me about ur 5000 year civilisation....
alti73 5 months ago
@alti73 you albanias dont know history! read study and then tell me again that i am not ancient greek... fustanella is the cloth of ancient hoplites as homer says... arvanites are greeks of course... albanias are what? old year shepherd who came to balkans.. fuck of .. i am really boring to answer u again
grculturefun 5 months ago
@grculturefun hahahahaha arvanites are greeks hahahahahahah im even bother to answer that watch here ......Alvanoi - Arvanites - Shqipetar - fustanella (Skai new documentary 1821)albanian subs
alti73 5 months ago
@alti73 this teacher who is in skai, is an athnelinistic personality... thats why he is the only one who speak for albanian arvanites... there is not anyone more profesor who believes that
grculturefun 5 months ago
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@grculturefun he is the one who tell the truth and doesnt lie
alti73 5 months ago
@grculturefun is not only that teacher in skai we have so many historians and writers including lord byron discribed fustanella as an exlusive albanian dress according to finley faustanella become greek nationl costume around midle of 18 century
alti73 4 months ago
@alti73 historically, homer refairs to myrmidons wearing fustanella, or hlamida. when someone speaks for albania in this age, means albanian territory, but not like a tribe.. albanians where no tribe... they use word albania as a territory and not like a country. albanian territory was something like thesaliam or macedonia, including greek population, even from byzantium empire... dont read history with paragraphs and keep your thought about a word albania.. read whole history to make opinion
grculturefun 4 months ago
@grculturefun i dont get your point i think i was very clear in my reply to be4 greek revolution fustanella was was only used by albanian speaking people is as simple as that
alti73 4 months ago
I've watched this like10+ times. This simply never gets old.
Andybaby 1 year ago
The Greeks have NOT stolen this from the Albanians... that's why they feel it belongs to them.
But they have stolen their "Greek" language and have made it their own. Just to get respect from the Western world regarding a "glorious" ancestry... While they are just Albanians.
As they say: "A Greek is only an Albanian with low morals".
MusicOfEpirus 1 year ago
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unknown19811 1 year ago
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bravo bravoo....
stasko017 1 year ago
Oh, common! What the hell are they doing? Those costumes need some respect. Stop jumping around like circus monkeys. It's a warriors dress for god's sake! I am disgusted.
Check out the video responses. That is how it is done. Like real men.
And the idiot who screams aaaaaaa giasu pedia, elaaaaa....so gay. What does he think he is doing? Showing us the dancers asses. Typical greek..
ariesmp 1 year ago
Oh, common! What the hell are they doing? Those costumes need some respect. Stop jumping around like circus monkeys. It's a warriors dress for god's sake! I am disgusted.
And the idiot who screams aaaaaaa giasu pedia, elaaaaa....so gay. What does he think he is doing? Showing us the dancers asses. Typical greek..
ariesmp 1 year ago
I'm sorry but this dance will never be Albanian. No one even knows who u guys are. Give it up!!! Losers it's Greek. ZHTO H ELLAS!!!!
tinakiii 1 year ago
GEIA SOU PEDEIA!!!!!!
tasonabila 1 year ago
Dear Tsamiko lovers,
A person who study culture and folklore, know more than ever than The Culture isnt a race, isnt an ethnicity. Here in subject "Tsamiko", i think is related with Tsams originally, later it was diffused in the Greek folklore, as the tsams in ottoman times, where the lords of the lands., as they where muslims. Modern studies of cultures dont accept the term "steal" to define the origin of cultural elements. Greeks and Albanians since antiquity where neighbors, and shared much.
RenaldoNjeshi 1 year ago
BRAVO, i LIKE the Albanian Dance, Costume and Music :D
Krenar Shqiptar!
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
PROUD TE BE ALBANIAN!! :D
Look how the Greeks copy our Culture :D
Thej say himself "tsamikos" :D lol only Albanians are Tsamikos-Cameria ;)
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
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u see albanians are smart, when we gave greece our dress style we gave them a mini skirt so everyone could see they are ALBANIAS BIATCHES hehehe
gun220 1 year ago
@prishtinahottie
how much can i buy u for? 5 euros?
lol!!
SuperSor123 1 year ago
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@prishtinahottiee
are u a prostitute? the name givs it away especially the fact that ur albanian
SuperSor123 1 year ago
ela re ellada ...ela re arkadia me ta palikarias ...zito i arkadia ...zito i gortynia
karbouni 2 years ago
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everybody trys to hate on greeks but what u dont realize is that WERE THAT GOOD MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!! ELLAS OLE ELLAS OLE!!
leventi009 2 years ago
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they dont know they have albanian blood nc nc nc nc, pontian gypsis have fucked their heads
PrishtinaHottiee 2 years ago
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Pervec tokave..tani na vjedhin edhe vallet?? eh,,,jua qifsha ropt o turkogrek muti.
illyria011 2 years ago
now, afgter seeing the ffirst video I am left wondering who is the original one! as in the who invented this dance or who had it first the albanians or the greeks?
i bet u cant deny the similarities!
or maybe it doesnt really matter!
AlbDori 2 years ago
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yeah who cares.
But the facts speaks for its self.
Greece came along way before albania
Kambanicity 2 years ago
u mean in the books or in there? like it maters, its all good fun and they can dance really well!
AlbDori 2 years ago
the greeks now dance a lot, good for them..hahaha
Prati555turku 2 years ago
There are Arvantikans with names like Zymantakis who dance like and are Elenofile. I see no problem with this because the music has been transmitted thru the different communities of Epirus.
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago
Δινω ενα μεγαλοψυχο μπραβο στα παλικαρια μεσα απο τα βαθη της καρδιας μου,που δειχνουν πως πρεπει να διασκεδαζει ενας ΓΝΗΣΙΟΤΑΤΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ! Συγχαρητηρια παιδια,με κανατε να ανατριχιασω με τον ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟΤΑΤΟ τροπο που χορευετε... ΕΥΓΕ συμπατριωτες μου!
ProudToBeGreek100 2 years ago
Qhy this greek dont use her Cultur?
Lovely Greeks, PLZ STOP STOLE CULTUR FROM THE ALBANIANS!
Ferizajcity 2 years ago
Traditional Albanian Dance Stolen from their neighbours in the south!!!!
tirona78 2 years ago
KOSOVA is indipendent now CHAMERIA,ILIRIDA,MALESIA and LUGINA E PRESHEVES.ETHNIC ALBANIA RULE
shipjaegjks 2 years ago
ΓΕΙΑ ΣΟΥ ΡΕ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ!!!!
NICKTHEDIG1989 2 years ago 4
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this is not a Greek Dance!!!! It is stolen from the Greeks!!!! It is Albanian......!!!!!
tirona78 2 years ago
Learn your history tirona78 this is an authentic greek dance, greeks don't need to steal, go and do some reading and then comment.
Villiotis 2 years ago 3
The greeks says also that they are 700000 years old, sucker , you go and do some readings....
Prati555turku 2 years ago
@Villiotis Really? Authentic greek? Then why don't you call it thesprotika instead of tsamiko? I think you need to learn your history. I am tsam (cham), i am Albanian. End of story.
By the way. They dance like gays.
ariesmp 1 year ago
@ariesmp No violliotis is actually correct im sorry to say
im a halfy so there is no intent
andaraopoulos 1 year ago
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Hajde mor OSMAN TAKA !!! çAME
ikandeja 2 years ago
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I find it weird and horrible,the greek dancing the chamiko, a dance that belongs to the people of Chameria, whom were massacred brutally and forced to leave their homes .
Disgusting.
suliot 2 years ago 4
Bravo Levendia!!!
ltlgreekboi 2 years ago 5
Great dance! great htipima in this dance.
hitmenyianni54249490 2 years ago
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levidi 3 years ago
nice lively performance bravo!!!
NODNOLKU 3 years ago
perfect soullllllllll
TOURKALA34 3 years ago
Ο ΤΣΑΜΙΚΟΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΝΤΡΙΚΟΣ ΧΟΡΟΣ
ΓΙΑ ΒΑΡΒΑΤΟΥΣ ΠΡΩΤΟΧΟΡΕΥΤΕΣ,
ΠΟΥ ΞΕΣΗΚΩΝΟΥΝ ΤΑ ΠΛΗΘΗ
ΚΙ ΟΧΙ ΓΙΑ ..ΖΟΓΚΛΕΡ
klarinobios 3 years ago
First of all , I would like to agree with Arkadakis (that made a comment 2 years ago) an intro to dipato on a tsamiko, doesn't mix. The proto horeftis is totally off on his steps and off beat. If you guys are Levidiotes representing in the Greece, the US or Canada (you just killed the whole essence of the word "paradosi". It's the worst tsamiko i ever seen.
mitso224 3 years ago
There's a Finnish breed of dog I thought looks handsome. Some good Finnish weightlifters. And the determined Captain Eric Finlander (Richard Widmark) from the 1965 classic "The Bedford Incident." Women in ancient China wore trousers, so did Eskimo women, and when in 868 AD the Bulgarians asked the Pope if they could wear trousers and be Christians, he said "yes." "Pants" comes from Pantalone, the top clown in the medieval Italian Comedy of the Arts. Apollo Dancers, don't take off the skirts
skirts365 3 years ago
Heh, skirts ottaa tämän homman ihan tosissaan...nauretaanpa vähän! Koirarotu lienee Suomen pystykorva, tuskin Karjalan karhukoira. Onkohan kukaan kuullut tuosta kapteenista, joka on ainakin minulle täysin tuntematon...Ja voihan nuo etelämaalaiset äijät pitää hameensa, suomalaiselle miehelle se ei oikein osu ;)
wovaapeli 3 years ago
The Finnish guy has a limited world view. He comes from a colder climate where people naturally wore pants. FYI the Roman legions wore skirts and woe be to any Finn who would have placed any (?) question mark by their statement of masculinity.
skirts365 3 years ago
Ok, you can wear a skirt, if you feel more comfortable in it...
wovaapeli 3 years ago
Considering some of the Albanian vs Greek and Greek vs Albanian hostilities stated in this thread, a civil remark is refreshing. As for skirts, have you not noticed that as they are garments not having a "crotch" they naturally allow men more space than women? It is men not women who need the extra space! Trousers are primarily a horseback riding costume and never existed because men need them to be men.
skirts365 3 years ago
Yeah, I live in a place with colder climate. In a place were women naturally wear skirts and men naturally wear pants, in winter time also.
Olettekos koskaan kuulleet hameväestä puhuttaessa, jotta niillä tarkoitettaisiinkin ihan miehiä? Ei ihan heti tule mieleen...
wovaapeli 3 years ago
Watching rather turkish belly dance with women, than this dance with men(?) wearing skirts...well, the music is similar to turkish.
wovaapeli 3 years ago
oraio to paidi skizi!!
molonlavve 3 years ago
26268-12408
LevidiTV 3 years ago
lol the name is camiko how the f... is that greek
bylysi 3 years ago
Sure it's greek, why not?? And it's not camiko it's Tsamiko.. South Albania once was part of greece and thats why Albanians think, after we lost this Area to you mummies, that the culture you adopted is albanian...sorry guys.
It's really sad to see that there is really no albanian culture and the only thing what you guys do is to searching for an identity, although you should know that the real albanian culture got lost after you became turks best friend after 1300 a.Chr.
Neoptolomos 3 years ago
I agree and underline your words Neoptolemos !
koutiki 3 years ago
Further more than Neoptolemos replied, would you get us some Albanian Tsamiko to see how you dance it nowdays ??????
As for foustanela, I do not think that this is your traditional dressing ....I just remind you that you followed ottomans way of dressing for centuries, while Efzones' Dress comes from the depths of Greek Antiquety.
So go back to the Albanian mountains and fuck some goats before come here to claim our tradition as yours!!!!!!!!!!!
koutiki 3 years ago
@koutiki
Great comment!!!
Neoptolomos 3 years ago
it is cam dance you dumb fuck.look at the name look camiko.and there are plenty just search it in youtube.
fustanella comes from greek antiquity???? hahaha
yes that is why it is only in 1821 that it comes up in greek history aperrently and worn by whom???? arberors-arbanites.so much for greek antiquity.while we wore it from northern illyria to the south.
so now i shall go to your sister and fuck her i dont like goats but am sure you enjoy the male goat you faggot.
bylysi 3 years ago
it is not camiko you dirty asshole albanian, it is TSAMIKOS.
1821 WAS THE DATE THAT WE BEGAN TO FUCK YOU AND AS IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU WANT MORE.
Would you tell us a link to see how you dance it....apparently not.
It seems you know limited things about Hellic History and of course you remember only the days that the pain in your ass was hard...what is the issue here... nostalgy maybe?
koutiki 3 years ago
Abot Arvanites ...you can try to tell them that you consider them as Alabanians...it would be a good enough reason for them to rip your asses in pieces.
Well, about your willing to fuck my sister. (hahahahahahahahahaha) let me inform you that she is fucking with men only and not albanoids.
For the present time just try to wipe your sister from bordels of Athens.
FUCK YOU ALBANOID AND DO NOT MESS WITH US
koutiki 3 years ago
hahahaha
little bastard i fuck your sisters everyday here dont worry.they like my alvano dick aperently because you can not fuck womens.hahaha
little weasel
bylysi 3 years ago
u say fuck albanian?!how u come so curagious than?!!!!!!have u balls to say this words in front to an albanian?for sure not!even in greec!there ur strong i forget!bot u think turkay make u to slavery?nooo they was just albanian!and to much some!they fuck urs woman and after all the sons bastards normal that take some bravery from fathers side!hahahahahatchamico is pure albanian danc!is called somebody OSMAN TAKA n greec?nooo he was just albanian!SO! FUCK U FUCKING LIERS!
giordanwhite 3 years ago
it's 100% Greek music, dance, and costume! But you are still welcome to dance with us.
MolossianZagori 3 years ago
first of you faggot ass it is camiko.and a link i told you but aperently you were thinking of dick licking styles.so let me say it again just search camiko motherfucker.and greeks fuck?? i thought they just ran ass first into dicks and they go to crete and dance about it with balerina costumes??? are you saying i heard wrong??hahahahahaha
homo
bylysi 3 years ago
what's the name of the music?
Templarium 3 years ago
please guys quit the complaining. look who really cares who came up with it first? either way its cultural diffusion and its affected every civilization, so we can all say that we've "stolen" others ideas and had ours stolen. just appreciate the dance.
nmbr1cub 3 years ago
opa, kai i trypoula sto kaltsoni????
psychoual1 3 years ago
Luka you are an idiot. Alexander never used the term
Albanian...... It is Ipiros. Northern Greece!! they just taught you another language. Beria Stalin etc.
hellinic1 3 years ago
Whot is this for a shit this dosent are Grecce dance and Costume.This is Albanian Kulture
LekaDukagjini 3 years ago
and then you suddenly saw the rest of the world...and the thing were not like Hotza told you....you are not the greatest nation in Europe ... you are not the richest...you are not the oldest...it is hard for you I can see it...but this is the truth
koutiki 3 years ago
you can see which nation is greater, you greeks steals our culture and sold as a greek Culture. my Karamans, you only a Asiats who will be an Eurpian
theodormuzaka 3 years ago
hahahaha you are a A JOKE....I am loosing my time here with you...come on admite the truth
....it is envy that is your mind full of
koutiki 3 years ago
Hey, sorry but it seems like you are really dump and just trying to provoke. Greece IS the oldest european nation, but not only this, it's the BEGINNING OF ALL EUROPEAN thinking. Go back to Albania where you can eat cokroaches.
Neoptolomos 3 years ago
greese is begining of your mothers whorish ways.
bylysi 3 years ago
Neoptolemos απευθύνεσε σε εμένα (Koutiki) ???
koutiki 3 years ago
ua qifsha ato motrat mu ne pith as per te imituar nuk dini
gjoleka 3 years ago
balkancoolhead, Greek proto-nationalism has been evident since the 11th century. To say there is no such thing as a Greek ethnicity is incorrect not least because of the existence of a Greek language, but also a continual Greek historical consciousness since antiquity. It took a more modern and familiar form in the 11th century.
ramsderbyfc 3 years ago
PEACE GUYS ENJOY THE TSAMIKO.!!!
kozani07 3 years ago
Absolutely f**king awesome!!
Andybaby 3 years ago
thank you to Albanians finally, from Greece. we are now ready to recognize the great contributions of the Arvanites and to recognize that without Ali Pasha carving out a space of autonomy from the Ottomans and above all, withou the great warrior Souliote Albanians, we would not have achieved independence from the Turks until much later.
yasso Arvanita! yasso Bouboulina, Bocari!
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
finally , one greek that is using the brain about the truth! well..is good to be in the Truth.... the truth will set you FREE ! God bless you!
esther77712 3 years ago
u again???GOD!!! I SAID...GET A LIFE!!!
rakomela21 3 years ago
i think the same could be said of you! why do you single me out?
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
balkancoolhead isn't even greek... What right do you have to speak on our behalf?
Αγε γαμισου ρε βλακα
keighj 3 years ago
when you say greek in 2008, exactly what does that really mean?
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
"The object they [[the Greeks]] have in view is the hellenization of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina, and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. They fraternize easily with the Greeks."
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
"As yet, their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope with the possession of Janina to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of hellenism the finest and most warlike race in South-Eastern Europe."
The Times (London), January 31, 1879
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
perhaps something closer to this, friend?
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
Appreciate the effort. :)
When I say Greek, I of course mean in an ethnic and cultural way - e.g. same language, norms and values. By this definition, most Greeks in Greece as well as all the Diaspora.
Also both articles you sited are out of date, and both from an imperialist british view point. I'm sure the city you were referring to was Ioannina, and that IS greek.
Lastly, I would point out that your choice of sources reflects war/conflict, not the ethnic uncertainty of Greeks.
keighj 3 years ago
nice try keighj, there is no ethnic notion of greek, anyone who has studied history knows that. as for the cultural/linguistic identity, that is a more reasonable subject of discussion.
what confuses the journey here is that the modern identity of greece conflates nationalism, religion, language, culture and ethnicity thus creating an impossible marriage, and one that, in addition to being scientifically unsupportable, is also quite racist and out of date by modern standards.
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
Actually I'm doing a major in Greek History, and I'm telling you there is a sense of an ethnic greek people. This is called 'hellenism'. There is most definately a hellenic people, even if they are politically or geographically divided.
I would point out that as a non-Greek, you are not qualified to make judgements on the existence of a greek ethnic identity.
Nationalism, religion, culture, language and ethnicity is a stupid sentence. Nationalism, religion and language are PART of culture.
keighj 3 years ago
>continued...
Perhaps you should better familiarise yourself with those terms and how they correlate to each other.
Please explain to me, first, how is the combination of nationalism, religion, language, culture and ethnicity an impossible relationship? Second, demonstrate the 'scientific unsupportability' of this environment. Thirdly, what are 'modern standards'? American standards? British standards? Australian standards?
As for the racism, that's present in every society.
keighj 3 years ago
nice moral relativism argument and shameless greek nationalist bias. your university degree is obviously just a reinforcement of your childhood education at home, and you clearly lack any line of independent thought.
if you wish to take on a challenge in life, allow me to suggest that you choose a group somewhere in the world, that today you consider to be part of an inferior culture, and study them closely until you learn to love them as you love your yourself.
there you will find truth.
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
My childhood education at home? I've had my whole education, from primary school through to university in Australia, how is that biased?
As for challenges in life, I spent my gap year helping Medecins Sans Frontier in Cameroon, Africa and backpacking Europe/Asia. I know a thing or two about different cultures.
Look, so far your arguements have amounted to nil. You have neither made a consistent point nor properly addressed any I have made. Please stop wasting our time and your own.
keighj 3 years ago
your agenda is as clear as day, i suggest you apply for an analyst roll with the australian greek lobby. they need all the help they can get.
in the meantime, i suggest you put your msf expeditions on hold until you have developed the requisite compassion, humility and respect required to make a real contribution in this world.
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
u r jokin man, wanna c the original, search valle came and u will c. greetings stavros
kapo1821 3 years ago
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as usual albanians stole not only wallets and purses but also stole this Greek traditional dance
priaposnet 3 years ago
clearly this is Albanian... as usual, the richest folk traditions in the region are found in their purest forms in Albania, and then watered down in neighboring regions... which is fine, but people should have the dignity and honor to recognize the Albanians for the wonderful folk culture that they have...
balkancoolhead 3 years ago
AXAXAXAXAXA
rakomela21 3 years ago
tsamiko= albanian
this is albanian dance and music
I am proud for this
dardaniane 3 years ago
AXAXAXAXA
rakomela21 3 years ago
KAla afto ama ine tsamiko ego ime ASTRONAFTIS.
Ade re stamatiste me ta karagiozilikia sas.
Ama ine na xorevete ellinikous xorous stamatiste tous kinezikoos akrovatismous.
Kambanicity 3 years ago
To tsamiko tous tha htan poio kalitero xwris tous kinezikoys akrovatismous
oldgod1954 4 years ago
LOL
Jacinthos 4 years ago
hahahaha
MysticalGothic 3 years ago
nice skirts and nice moves.hope next time you post a longer video shoot
hristul 4 years ago
zhto h pelloponisso!
Arischjo 4 years ago
Συγχαρητήρια παληκάρια!!!!
Καταπληκτικό στήσιμο κάνατε!!!
ΜΠΡΑΒΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟ!!!!!!!!!!!
GogaMishiu 4 years ago
mpravo paidia den paizeste!
geia sou elada,poli mou leipis
yanipiro 4 years ago
sthn piramida o enas exei skismeno kalson kai fenete apo katw mia tripa otan paei h kamera apo katw... xaxaxax gamatos! pantws gamane ta paidia, ainte wreeeeeeeee
Athamays 4 years ago
geia sas leventes mou levidaioi!!!!!!!!!!
PELLOPONHSIOS 4 years ago
Bravo re levendes.
KrhsaGh 4 years ago
ahh lol i no dis is a weird thing to point out but one guy has a hole in his stockings rite where his ass is hahahha
xoKalistaxo 4 years ago
Zh To LEVIDI.... disco2000
judas951 4 years ago
this year apollo is deifinetly bringing back the pyramid again because this is amazing. the boys this year hope to bring it back!
greekgirl4life25 4 years ago
ayta einai zhtw h ellada!!filia polla poa tegea!:)
annamaria9888 4 years ago
hmmm mixing paradosi i see there.... well at least you guys enjoyd it and it was to greek folk music...not like in sydney where they would have danced that to an ana visi song...lol... keep it real!
greekstyler 4 years ago
it's ok but still don't do that many tricks. Choose from either the tower or the circle kiks
dunkengreek99 5 years ago
cirlce kicks??? u mean psalithia!
latsouda 4 years ago
well that was anti paradossi when it comes to tsamiko!!!! dipatos horos?? GOD what were you guys thinking
pancos86 5 years ago
OOOOPAAAAAAAA!!!
pitepalt 5 years ago
I would die for tsamiko, yes I will
TOURKALA34 5 years ago
Wow..great job! I really enjoyed watching that...the atmosphere is amazing! :p
ellethebelle 5 years ago
This is real Tsamiko! Paidia, poly oraia!
chryssanthi 5 years ago
ok first of all, tsamiko is never danced as a dipatos, thats an entirely different dance. The double level that was done is called dipatos and danced to a song called soussana. (killed tsamiko). the solo needs alot of work, too many of the same jumps, nothing was done on the floor, no foot work!! As an Arkadian, and tsamiko being the dance i love the most, this was one of the worst ive seen.... sorry
arkadakis 5 years ago
Thank you for your constructive criticism. Please direct me to a video on the net were I may find a better version.
levidi 5 years ago
cancel the naughty part I didn't notice that it wasn't your's lynngurl01905 that happens alot since my concussion lol
GuardianKnight28 5 years ago
That was cool what them guys did ,2 levels,that was naughty what you did lynngurl01905 lol,us guys would get slapped around if it was switched around lol
GuardianKnight28 5 years ago
thats so koo..
lynngurl01905 5 years ago
Guys great job, especially those psalidia, and the touba i s pretty good and long... greetings from boston
mitsakiss 5 years ago
we used to be pretty amazing
Koukla18 5 years ago
One of the guys has a hole near his "prama". Those who walk on stilts ought not be wearing a fustanela. Great coverage and shots from underneath!
Philflash 5 years ago
Veru observant. Im glad you enjoyed it. Check out Arkudes Media this weekend for some other cool stuff
levidi 5 years ago
ti oreos jorós! jorébete polí kalá pediá. Great that "piramid" thing, I dance tsamiko too, at a tavern an many others dances. Ya sas! nice video guys.
gioannhs 5 years ago