hey oreo you racist idiot...you'll never see the day when you have a speck of the heart or soul this man has...he did it...you sit... and take pot-shots...crawl back where you came from
obviously, McLaughlin did the effort to be in the Santana´s kind of language...It should be imposible if Santana had to play over the changes and complex nature of McLaughlin music..
On the field before the Atlanta Braves-Philadelphia Phillies game yesterday.
Given a civil rights award, Santana indicated that unemployed Black, Hispanic & Whites who want jobs held by illegals are as racist as those who turned on civil rights protesters in the 1960s.
Santana is like most bigots who speak,, from the emotional hatred stuck in their guts. not from knowledge or facts ! Look at Americans Santana calls racist for wanting laws to keep employers from hiring illegals
John is one of the best guitarplayers in the world. I like his sound very much. Whenever I hear Carlos I know it is the leadguitarist of the Santanaband. Let them play together again
Funny how Santana used to play with amazing players like John Mclaughlin, Paco de Lucia and Eric Clapton but now he plays with pieces of shit like Chad Kroeger (nickelback), Jennifer Lopez, and Justin Timberlake.
@Brucekap440 Good points. Ya melody and innovation does take precedence over pyro but a person with pyro under his belt and has the melody can take things lot further than just your melodic player. Maria Maria is nothing more than a lil Anatural minor thing but he makes it sound very sweet rather than just playing the 'scale' notes so I do agree that he is a tasty player, but not what I call technical on the same lev as McLaughlin is all.
@lufc550 ya idc who buys it. I am sure you would buy a cd by Brittney Spears instead of Martina McBride or you probably would buy a cd by Green Day instead of Obscura, basically there are music that musicians would rather listen to compared to what non musicians like you prefer. But you are right it doesn't matter because talent is not in the ears of the listener (unless you have a trained ear, which you dont lol). And I do also have some 'regular' cd like you probably do so its all good :)
Nothing to criticize, but a pentatonic box player should not be on the same stage with McLaughlin. Sure Santana has sold millions of records but I bet only 10percent of those sales are to MUSICIANS, while I bet only 10 percent of McLaughlins sales are NOT to musicians...easy to differentiate a superb technical player vs a player for the 'non musicians' . Both are good but you cant compare gold to bronze.
@SaintsCheat If you sell only to musicians, then you are perhaps too esoteric for most people. It is a little bit of an understatement to call Santana a "penatonic box player." He was an innovator, damn good player, and a decent songwriter too. For me, melody rules over technical pyrotechnics. That said, in my youth, I saw Mahavishnu 4 or 5 times and enjoyed it, but I think Santana will be remembered (and hummed along to) for a much longer time.
Santana is good with what he does and Mclaughlin at his.....but yeah, Carlos isnt up to the jazz heavy weights..he always comes across as a struggling student..he should just stick to what hes good at ! and Abraxas Tribute...Theres no rule that says we cant have our opinion regardless of what we do..you just go ahead and keep running the Carlos Santana fan club !
Name how many guitar players have the guitar tone and Feeling Santana have, there is alot of shreder, and don't get me wrong, I enjoy and admire a lot of them, but Santana is about expresion and feeling, right to your heart! Eric Clapton once said " Santana is the heart and the soul of rock music" that is a lot to say.
Santana get's guitar god status for "Samba Pa Ti" and "Europa" alone.. He was never much of a technician, but his poignant melodicism and freedom of expression are at such a high level that it makes up for any lack of regemented speed. Mclaughlin is also a virtuoso with a different set of strong points.. I love hearing them play off each other.. Great stuff, both geniuses!
Santana get's guitar god status for "Samba Pa Ti" and "Europa" alone.. He was never much of a technician, but his poignant melodicism and freedom of expression are at such a high level that it makes up for any lack of regemented speed. Mclaughlin is also a virtuoso with a different set of strong points.. I love hearing them play off each other.. Great stuff
As someone here already said ,only a noob would hate on either of these guys,If anything they should become critics cause they do that way better than they probably play.Both of these musicians are incredibly talented.end of story
Carlos Santana is one of THOSE guitar players that mistakingly got thrown in with the greats. Neil Schon blows him away, but Carlos never ever let him play lead cause everyone THEN would have know bout it. He really is mediocre
I guess one guy's "blows him away" is another's "doesn't even come close". I have thought from day1 that Carlos' playing had more personality than Neal's. I think Carlos' guitar has perhaps provided me - and I'd bet many others - with more goose flesh than about any other musician I can think of (including Maestro Mahavishnu, although Mike Stern is also in the running). For sheer lyricism, rhythmic interest, and soul, Carlos is a master. Limitations? Sure. But he says a lot w/i them.
Santana is great because when he came out nobody played like him. Very original and influential. Listen to his first 2 albums and compare him to any other guitarist from that time, a truly original guitar player. That is why when Hendrix met him, he told him that he liked the "choice of notes" he was playing. Santana created a new guitar language. As a guitar player I can tell you that that type of compliment ONLY a guitar player can appreciate.
sure mclaughlin can play faster than santana (although nowhere near as much as most of you may think), but santana 1. is one of the most passionate guitarists ever and 2. has a sound that you can pick out from anything. one of the biggest compliments a guitarist can get is that somebody recognizes who a song is buy just by the guitar part or guitar solo. and thats how it is w santana
As a guitar player I have to laugh at some of the comments in here. Many think that speed is the ultimate. I enjoy a three notes played with feeling more than 50 raced through to impress. Much feeling can be neglected when the space is crammed with as many notes as possible. Less is more. The implied spaces,..the reading between the notes is the zen of listening. Relax and simplify. And row your boat gently and merrily.
TastefulPhrasing, did Santana diddle your wife or your little sister or something to make you dislike him? Please give us the links to your "TASTEFUL PHRASING" that surely is other worldly compared to Santana, right? You must be a Muslim also as you have zero tolerance for anything other than what you personally like. There is no room in your world for others to have their own tastes in music, ideas, or thought? How sad (or perfect) your life must be. It must be lonely up on your pedestal sir.
Imat00I... Truly you have lost your way, if you ever had one. To insult Santana because of his style is to insult black people because they are not white, to insult a hockey player because he isn't a basketball player or to insult a woman because she is not a man. WTF over?
@tonythetemplar John's been experimenting with MIDI a lot, and I suspect that this guitar of his is entirely geared towards driving a guitar synth via piezo pickups. A few years ago, he didn't even use an amplifier anymore. He simply plugged his guitar into a laptop and took it from there. ;-)
Carlos learned to play with less notes from Miles Davis.
comparing this to guys is like comparing John Coltrane with Miles Davis. they are so different. Mclaughlin is like Coltrane, instead Carlos Is like Miles Davis.
Really. That just tells me you can't control your shit. You must be a real dickhead with a name like that too. Go and shoot yourself in the head loser.
Actually i've heard quite a few recordings of the mahavishnu orchestra where John uses this exact kind of synth sound quite a bit. And, as afr as "upstaging" carlos, these two guys would never even think in those terms, they even profess the same religious beliefs, and are only interested in creating beautiful music. Is JM more technically proficient? yes. Does that make me listen to his music more than that of Carlos? No. They are both awesome!
People putting down Santana's guitar playing? Wow. Of course this is YouTube, so no surprise there.
He's got one of the most distinctive styles out there. His phrasing is incredibly personal. If you don't get Santana, that's a "you problem." Before Santana's massive pop success, he still was playing to 8 to 10,000 people at a show. Longitivity like Santana's isn't easy to come by. He's been relevant in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Just like Eric Clapton.
The thing is, I'd like to like Santana. Every time I read an interview wih him, he seems like such a deep thinker, kind soul, and great all-around person.
Then I hear his playing, and it's just the most noodly-noodly stuff with nothing behind it.
Nothing behind it? Try 9 grammys and over 60 albums for starters, but its never been about grammys,awards and all that shit with carlos, his concept has always been "less is more". what others are trying to say with 100 notes, carlos can say with one well placed note. youre looking in the wrong direction "down", look up above your ego, beyond scales, technique, and all the superficial shit, then you'll understand why jimi and john wanted to play with carlos. "BEAGLE"? now thats deep lol
Look, I enjoy plenty of "less is more" players, such as B.B. King in the blues and The Edge in rock. I just don't enjoy Santana's playing. I'm entitled to my opinion.
Besides, that's silly coming from Santana, because he DOES try to play fast sometimes; that's when he gets really noodly, because his fast licks are just boring and silly.
IMO, his tone is blah, his note choice is pedestrian, and his playing lacks inventiveness. I like to hear him talk though, and he seems like a nice guy.
Carlos' technique is his heart and soul, thats one reason no one will ever duplicate that sound. Pick up a small stone in a pile of gravel its very unique, but if you throw it back on the pile, it looks exactly like all the others. Isnt it funny, of "all" the guitar players out there one can immediatlly recognize carlos' playing from the first note? because its from the heart not the brain, love and honesty lives there man, and the world hungers for that, especially women, women "love" noodles!!
man , you're so right. I love all the shredders like vai and gilbert and jazz virtuosis like benson's and mclaughlin's but you're totally right. guys like santana, gilmour and bb king are genius cause they express the same feeling (n sometimes a lot more) with less notes. just knowing where to put them. they say when geniuses go from A they dont need to pass through B to get to C...sorry for the english. I'm not american.
@joaodapinhanhara Very good. Your English is fine, and your point is right on the money. All the speedo-shredders are great technically sure, but there isn't one iota of feeling or passion in any of the 3,000 notes per minute they play. Santana can take 4 notes and make you feel something. So now speed is the only thing that is important? If you are fast you are good, if you aren't as fast as Malmsteen, etc. you suck? Gimme' a break. BB, Santana, Carlton, etc. make you FEEL the music.
@AbraxasTribute This is one of the problems with society. Feelings are being replaced by 1. Anger. Mind is being replaced by simply the eye.... or "I." And compassion is being replaced by narcissism. Like I said, Santana is not one of my all time personal faves, but I have a lot of respect for him. I'm not crazy about Joe Maphis's style, but is he good? HECK YEAH! One has to give credit where credit is due. But if your a narcissist or petty, how can you?
These arguments are sort of like arguing about who is the better singer Johnny Cash or Pavorotti. Pavarotti was technically the better singer--could he perform "Folsom Prison Blues" better than Cash--Nope. Ditto Cash on Pavarotti's music. The answer to me is that each could "sell" their genre's song, it's a matter of taste who you liked. Neither could "sell" the other's music (nor would have wanted to for that matter.) It's not a contest or a gunfight. CS is just a little out of his element
All of you are calling Santana "mediocre" (at best) guitarist. Tell me something. How many albums do YOU have? How many MILLIONS of people have YOU played for? How many songs have YOU written and recorded? What have you done with YOUR life, well except to sit around on the computer and crack on other musicians? Let's see your videos on YouTube and see how good YOU are since Santana sucks so much.
BRAVO ! ! ! Your absoulty right It's allways easy to critisize but to make it better is the magic ! there are also guitarist wich i dont like but i would not insult them. I had the chance to meet Carlos Santana & John McLaughlin in Person and i can tell you they are damm to the ground persons no noobs as some of you here.The ones concering know. VIA SANTANA
@LockOnNow It's usually the wannabes who are the noobs Bcuz they are jealous.
Santana was no shlock guitar player. Okay, so the tunes are not among my top personal faves, but would I go to a concert? HECK YEAH! I hear he's a super nice guy too. And I really did like that tune he did not long ago. Okay, so he didn't shred the guitar in it, I don't think the song called for it. But It was so freakin catchy, It made me groove everytime I heard it.
this logic makes no sense. Am I not allowed to criticize the Chevy Cavalier for being a crappy car (which nearly everyone will agree with) just because I cannot build a better car? Am I not allowed to criticize a poorly cooked steak if I can't cook a better one?
Anyway, Santana does what he does and does it well, and I respect him as a musician. But when it comes to versatility and technical virtuosity, McLaughlin is the better player. This isn't a knock on Santana, just an observation.
well, your criticizing a "Vette" with nitrous thinking its a cavalier, and if u were in a restaurant eating a steak that everyone else loved well?!!? Id say u just have shitty taste and put a boot up your ass. Peace
You said I would be stuck on an island and could only take one guitarist to listen for the rest of life and no one else I would have to take Carlos. Even above Jimi, even above all the jazz greats. I'm miss them horribly but I'd rather hear deep, resonatiing, sincerity Carlos seems to inately put in ever note. I'd miss that the most.
@AbraxasTribute Carlos Santana's tone is unique. If you can recognize a guitarist by simply hearing him (or her), that says a lot. If you can recognize them after just a few licks, then that says even more. But there's only one guitarist whom you can recognize if he plays a single note, and that's Carlos Santana. There is so much soul into every note he plays, and into how he creates his sound. Carlos has always been a great influence on me and has also influenced countless others.
its not about what you have done in your life that counts..its talent that counts!
your comment sounds just like..Bruce lee was the strongest and fastest martial artist in the world..because he made MOVIES!!!and millions of people know his name..but everybody knows a shaolin monk would bitchslap bruce lee..and yes santana is even worse than mediocre..he just had more luck finding a good label that did a great job with commercials,people on youtube plays better than him..and you know their name?
@AbraxasTribute Why does it matter? Mcdonalds is one of the most famous food chains in the world, just because its more popular, does that make it better? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@AbraxasTribute lol he is mediocre, what does he play that any average guitarist can't? Nothing. He has no passion at all and was only interesting when he used to take drugs.
@KingOfSchmucks No guitarrists can play his songs .... before he creates it ...got it ...or its to complex to your head?He has no passion... so you must be dead...rip.lol.
I'm a player ...i love technics love and play shred a lot...i'm not one of those who think that technics and speed means no felling.But felling and passion can be expressed with the most complex technics and dificulty and also can be expressed so well with a 2 chord song...
Absolutely bullet proof logic, slick. I know that when I eat a shitty meal at a restaurant, or get into car wrecks due to shoddy mechanic work, I keep my fucking mouth shut. Who am I to have a viable opinion without being at the same level? It's good to know there are people like you to set the rest of us straight. No opinions can be tolerated except for the ones that you agree with, of course.
Yeah man! I agree somewhat, but every time I write Carlos off a mediocre I'll be damned if he doesn't up and do something that surprises me.Overall, I just have to say that Carlos has his thing that he does and he does it well.
I've seen players that I know for a fact are much better than him get on stage with him and he made them look silly! Because they just don't fit into his (Carlos') thing.
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I can't think of any over-rated guitarist that is worst than Carlos Santana. I was optimistic when I clicked on this link since I haven't heard his crap in possibly years. Compare his old to his current shit and it should be clear that he hasn't improve or progressed in anything. It's the same personality, same sloppy technique, the Santana trademark bends/trills - Oh' god what a BORE!
i completely disagree, indeed his technique hasn't evolved but his timing is seriously good - he can groove his way through anything. listen to his moonflower album - boring? i dont think so!
lmat001: I was going to highlight a few points in regards to your ignorant, absurd, and plain ludicrous comments, but after a quick look at your musical preferences on your page, I quickly realised who I would be dealing with so I won't bother....
I can only critique about my listening experience. I'm not ignorant either. I'm a guitar fanatic as well as owner of shit load of Santana records that I've inherited -mostly early shit. And god only knows how many times that my brother and I have played each of them. And there's pencil neck in my office that loves to blast his Jack FM which plays a lot of Santana's recent shit. Please tell me what makes him such a great guitarist and what does my aforementioned music have to do with my comment?
correction: ...Please tell me what makes him such a great guitarist other than his multi-platinum status and what does my aforementioned music have to do with my "ignorant, absurd, plain ludicrous" comment?
Well it's as simply as that he has the right feeling it' does not matter how fast you can play but what matters is how much feeling you but into your playing if you dont feel it how can you expect others to feel it ???
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That's like saying Sally Fields is such a great actress because she puts forth the right emotions and feelings in all her stupid screen roles. And by all means technique and finesse means nothing as there's feeling in it. C'mon dood! She is a prime example of terrible acting and blandness. Santana overall guitar playing strikes me the same way. I'm sorry, I do not like bones in my soup as Santana himself would call his own slop technique.
Does Sally Fields plays the guitar ??? Santana is one of the greatest living guitar heros on this planet it is your right to dislike him but it is you who has to live with that opinion.
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@LockOnNow - god is this boring. they havnt changed in a million years ! sigh,maybe im on the wrong planet for ever changing guitar solos? dont even suggest another boring musician viz. hendrix to listen to - worse than these two !!!
@LockOnNow The guy is right, this is a pile of boring rubbish that anyone who spends half an hour in their bedroom could play. Bring on passion and soul, oh and originality! ;)
@KingOfSchmucks So ask Mclaughlin why he pays several times with Carlos?Ask Pat Mathany too.....Cause you ..if you are a player,they kick your ass so hard that even i would be rubbish ....when (of course it will never happen)you reach mclaughlin and pathany's level you may say someting ...but now...just learn with them...who kick your ass to the bone and consider Carlos one of the greatest
@KingOfSchmucks Couldt help myself ...you have Randy California in your channell?and yoy're talking that anyone can play Santanas songs? hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahyes... your idols are really hard to play,very virtuosos ,very technical...get help
I like how people seem to think that they are a better judge of talent than the musicians themselves. Do you think that McLaughlin had Santana come play with him because he was popular? Santana was/is a great guitarist he just moved on to write a bunch of pop music to make billions of dollars. Listen to some of his early work especially the stuff he did with John and then tell me he's not a great guitar player. You ignorance is disturbing.
I so agree with you. Obviously McLaughlin heard an equality on some of muscianship that attracted him to Carlos. McLaughlin's act was pretty hot in those days so I'm sure he wasn't making a choice just for the comercial viability and besides, if that were true then why play the actual less commercial music (than Santana had been playing) together.
they both are great and not to mention different types of guitar players so you cant say one is better than the other. listen to FLAME SKY where they both play beautifully together. its probably the best instrumental of all time
yes and no. sure, santana's side may not be as complicated technically speaking, but it is also hard to play right. some people who are more on john's side of playing cant pull off that bluesy sound as much as a blues player can(obviously). so i guess its more of that niether are better muscians. john can do more guitar wise though. i find santanas playing a little more lyrical than johns though. but he's also more my style so maybe im biased.
But they way I'm looking at it (being a guitar player), I get bored playing the same tired blues scale, bending the same notes, etc..., and I find Santana's playing boring in that respect.
I also don't like over technical guitarist either.
Being original and having a unique sound on the guitar (or any instrument) comes from years of playing and experimenting.
The bottom line :
If someone's playing excites you, that's all that should matter.
McLaughlin has often said that to play guitar you have to learn everything, and then try to forget it when improvising. Thinking about his playing is what he's trying to get away from.
Also, i personally feel that saying John McLaughlin has no feeling is laughable. In the guitar community the formula seems to be:
you're right. its kind of a cop out by blues based players unfortunatly. but i think also that by using more bends and the pentatonic, it sounds more like singing i find. im not sure what it is about it, maybe its because the blues scale was based around how blues singers sang. of course though the 5 tone scale has been around before that though. its really how you use it. or any scale for that matter. johns playing isnt as relatable to general listeners i think. maybe thats the problem.
Im pretty sure that Carlos would concede .. John M. is the better guitar player.. listen to the album, "Love, Devotion , Surrender" and its painfully obvious that John M. surpasses Carlos.
Who's comparing? It is not fair to compare these two artist. They both have their area of shining. John has vast more knowledge of music theoretically than Carlos so he can apply more. Santana was brought up as a blues player, he plays with more soul and feeling. One note can tell a story. Stop bashing these two great musicians.
Sadhutrio, no soy gringo. Tampoco soy limitado como usted. Si quieres hablar de musicos latinos, vamos a mensionar a Arturo Sandoval, Chucho Valdez, Emiliano Salvador. Estos son musicos! Tienes razon en decir que la musica es espiritual pero hay que pulirlo para traspasar las dimensiones.
con esto que estas diciendo estas diciendo que guitarristas como hendrix, bb king, stevie ray vaughan, eric clapton son limitados?
como lo vuelvo a repetir no por nada gente que sabe muchisimo mas que usted, ah invitado a santana a tocar con ellos que mas muestra que el gran metheny
santana toca siempre lo mismo pero lo que lo hace tan cabron es que lo mismo que toca lo hace sonar chingon con cualquier estilo
"Las escalas son como el abecedario, nadie es poeta por decir a, b, c, d, etc..."
Es posible sonar chingon con unas cuantas notas y conmover, pero el vocabulario que se usa va a seguir siendo limitado.
Tambien es posible usar mil escalas y no decir nada.
Sin embargo creo que McLaughlin, Metheny, y otros dicen mucho mas que Carlos, aunque eso no signifique que sean mejores.
Es como expresarle al amor de tu vida tus sentimientos: podes decir simplemente "TE AMO" y aveces es lo mas indicado, pero no es lindo poder decirlo de otras formas mas profundas?
jajjaja estos gringos presumidos no saben lo que es musica , santana con su musica llega a otra dimencion , una dimencion espiritual grande santana !!! sin duda 2 genios en este video
Santana musical? Please! Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius, Mike Stern, John Scofield, Michael Hedges; that's musical! Not Carlos, with his little 3 note trills, pentatonic repetitions, and discontinued licks. I was never that much of a McLaughlin fan but he can play.
jajjaja estos gringos presumidos no saben lo que es musica , santana con su musica llega a otra dimencion , una dimencion espiritual grande santana !!! sin duda 2 genios en este video
vaya tal es que santana es un pinche maestro que mclaughlin, pat metheny y varios mas lo han invitado a jammear
tocando pentatonicas y combinaciones de 3 notas hace que tu pinche cerebro estalle para pura pinche muestra esta black magic woman
vale madre con cuantas escalas toque, la musica no se trata de haber quien mete mas escalas y mas tecnica si no, ver quien hace llegar el mensaje de lo que esta haciendo y sintiendo
hay 2 tipos de musico el que apantalla y el que conmueve
McLaughlin is an amazing, technically superb guitarist... No doubt. He can play faster than both Paco and Al Di Meola - but as far as being musical and having some soul to the playing? Well, he just doesn't reach me. Santana's playing has more soul. Maybe it's because of his tendency to go to Indian scales that I didn't grow up with. Could be. Santana's playing is simply more musical. And if you don't know the difference between playing notes and making music, well, you won't get it.
hey oreo you racist idiot...you'll never see the day when you have a speck of the heart or soul this man has...he did it...you sit... and take pot-shots...crawl back where you came from
aubreyaardvark 1 month ago
I think Santana had complex nature too.
bugbugmachine 2 months ago
THE BEST.PROOF that different styles together make great music.
diagreen 5 months ago
saw theae 2 together in st. paul...1974
TheIrishlad12 6 months ago
obviously, McLaughlin did the effort to be in the Santana´s kind of language...It should be imposible if Santana had to play over the changes and complex nature of McLaughlin music..
EduardoAllo 8 months ago
@EduardoAllo "complex nature of McLaughlin".. come on give me a break!..
Pan3405 7 months ago
On the field before the Atlanta Braves-Philadelphia Phillies game yesterday.
Given a civil rights award, Santana indicated that unemployed Black, Hispanic & Whites who want jobs held by illegals are as racist as those who turned on civil rights protesters in the 1960s.
Santana is like most bigots who speak,, from the emotional hatred stuck in their guts. not from knowledge or facts ! Look at Americans Santana calls racist for wanting laws to keep employers from hiring illegals
onstageagain 8 months ago
you cant compare these two masters ; dont waste your time.
strings191 8 months ago
Carlos's guitar sound sound so much more pure, than John's heavily synthed sound.
carlosdevadip 9 months ago
glad someone taped this and we get to listen to it! beautiful sounds lingering around in the sky man
trigjeeeh 9 months ago
Guitar wanking in stereo
strummerocks 9 months ago
Wow!Thanks for posting this!
My only complaint?
Not long enough!
LOL!
Guitfiddlejase 11 months ago
John is one of the best guitarplayers in the world. I like his sound very much. Whenever I hear Carlos I know it is the leadguitarist of the Santanaband. Let them play together again
thegerrie19561 11 months ago 2
You simply can't beat this...
carlosdevadip 11 months ago
jesus john makes that thing sound like a rock organ.. amazing
ragglefraggle09 11 months ago
@ragglefraggle09 | Yeah, it's a Synth Axe, a synthesizer, MIDI interface guitar
Bruce097 11 months ago
Funny how Santana used to play with amazing players like John Mclaughlin, Paco de Lucia and Eric Clapton but now he plays with pieces of shit like Chad Kroeger (nickelback), Jennifer Lopez, and Justin Timberlake.
keo774 1 year ago 6
@keo774 cos his spic ass went broke & he sold out.....he cant even fuckin play any longer......r.i.p
Oreeyemma 2 months ago
Santana should just play rhythm and shut up.
ImperialArmour 1 year ago
@ImperialArmour vc é quem deve calar a boca!
ricardoguitarmarques 1 year ago
@Brucekap440 Good points. Ya melody and innovation does take precedence over pyro but a person with pyro under his belt and has the melody can take things lot further than just your melodic player. Maria Maria is nothing more than a lil Anatural minor thing but he makes it sound very sweet rather than just playing the 'scale' notes so I do agree that he is a tasty player, but not what I call technical on the same lev as McLaughlin is all.
SaintsCheat 1 year ago
@lufc550 ya idc who buys it. I am sure you would buy a cd by Brittney Spears instead of Martina McBride or you probably would buy a cd by Green Day instead of Obscura, basically there are music that musicians would rather listen to compared to what non musicians like you prefer. But you are right it doesn't matter because talent is not in the ears of the listener (unless you have a trained ear, which you dont lol). And I do also have some 'regular' cd like you probably do so its all good :)
SaintsCheat 1 year ago
Nothing to criticize, but a pentatonic box player should not be on the same stage with McLaughlin. Sure Santana has sold millions of records but I bet only 10percent of those sales are to MUSICIANS, while I bet only 10 percent of McLaughlins sales are NOT to musicians...easy to differentiate a superb technical player vs a player for the 'non musicians' . Both are good but you cant compare gold to bronze.
SaintsCheat 1 year ago
@SaintsCheat
Who gives a shit who it sells to? it sells.
lufc550 1 year ago
@SaintsCheat If you sell only to musicians, then you are perhaps too esoteric for most people. It is a little bit of an understatement to call Santana a "penatonic box player." He was an innovator, damn good player, and a decent songwriter too. For me, melody rules over technical pyrotechnics. That said, in my youth, I saw Mahavishnu 4 or 5 times and enjoyed it, but I think Santana will be remembered (and hummed along to) for a much longer time.
BruceKap440 1 year ago
Santana is good with what he does and Mclaughlin at his.....but yeah, Carlos isnt up to the jazz heavy weights..he always comes across as a struggling student..he should just stick to what hes good at ! and Abraxas Tribute...Theres no rule that says we cant have our opinion regardless of what we do..you just go ahead and keep running the Carlos Santana fan club !
stegyi 1 year ago
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beroth77 1 year ago
so glad these guys met up.endless creativity.its as if all the worlds music is on this record.THANX A MILLION.
diagreen 1 year ago
take it easy A.T.
twochaudio 1 year ago
Folks, other artists don't have to suck, in order for your fave to be great.
TheSanityInspector 1 year ago
that's just a mahavishnu sound.
santana wasn't good at it
keo774 1 year ago
Name how many guitar players have the guitar tone and Feeling Santana have, there is alot of shreder, and don't get me wrong, I enjoy and admire a lot of them, but Santana is about expresion and feeling, right to your heart! Eric Clapton once said " Santana is the heart and the soul of rock music" that is a lot to say.
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Santana get's guitar god status for "Samba Pa Ti" and "Europa" alone.. He was never much of a technician, but his poignant melodicism and freedom of expression are at such a high level that it makes up for any lack of regemented speed. Mclaughlin is also a virtuoso with a different set of strong points.. I love hearing them play off each other.. Great stuff, both geniuses!
wfenio 1 year ago
Santana get's guitar god status for "Samba Pa Ti" and "Europa" alone.. He was never much of a technician, but his poignant melodicism and freedom of expression are at such a high level that it makes up for any lack of regemented speed. Mclaughlin is also a virtuoso with a different set of strong points.. I love hearing them play off each other.. Great stuff
wfenio 1 year ago
legendary licks n' grooves par excellance
davidfaubion 1 year ago
This may be rare footage of Mclaughlin using his synthesized guitar.
Slarty3 1 year ago
As someone here already said ,only a noob would hate on either of these guys,If anything they should become critics cause they do that way better than they probably play.Both of these musicians are incredibly talented.end of story
RDJx561 1 year ago
Carlos Santana is one of THOSE guitar players that mistakingly got thrown in with the greats. Neil Schon blows him away, but Carlos never ever let him play lead cause everyone THEN would have know bout it. He really is mediocre
jmroxx1 1 year ago
@jmroxx1
I guess you've never listened Caravanserai. Santana is one of the great melodists. There is no arguing this point.
uhmfar 1 year ago
@jmroxx1
I guess one guy's "blows him away" is another's "doesn't even come close". I have thought from day1 that Carlos' playing had more personality than Neal's. I think Carlos' guitar has perhaps provided me - and I'd bet many others - with more goose flesh than about any other musician I can think of (including Maestro Mahavishnu, although Mike Stern is also in the running). For sheer lyricism, rhythmic interest, and soul, Carlos is a master. Limitations? Sure. But he says a lot w/i them.
RootsinBrooklyn 1 year ago
Santana is great because when he came out nobody played like him. Very original and influential. Listen to his first 2 albums and compare him to any other guitarist from that time, a truly original guitar player. That is why when Hendrix met him, he told him that he liked the "choice of notes" he was playing. Santana created a new guitar language. As a guitar player I can tell you that that type of compliment ONLY a guitar player can appreciate.
cinema33 1 year ago
Wow Carlos Santana is the most over-rated guitarist of all time
barbrastreyesand 1 year ago
Stop trashing.....stop debating and enjoy the music you IMMATURE morons.
Guitarz1970 1 year ago
im high
WeedVulva 1 year ago
donny youre stupid retard
gasparovsky1 1 year ago
sure mclaughlin can play faster than santana (although nowhere near as much as most of you may think), but santana 1. is one of the most passionate guitarists ever and 2. has a sound that you can pick out from anything. one of the biggest compliments a guitarist can get is that somebody recognizes who a song is buy just by the guitar part or guitar solo. and thats how it is w santana
1JAT1 1 year ago
As a guitar player I have to laugh at some of the comments in here. Many think that speed is the ultimate. I enjoy a three notes played with feeling more than 50 raced through to impress. Much feeling can be neglected when the space is crammed with as many notes as possible. Less is more. The implied spaces,..the reading between the notes is the zen of listening. Relax and simplify. And row your boat gently and merrily.
slackrivet 1 year ago 3
Wish Carlos would start playing Les Pauls again.
MarshallAmpMan 1 year ago
TastefulPhrasing, did Santana diddle your wife or your little sister or something to make you dislike him? Please give us the links to your "TASTEFUL PHRASING" that surely is other worldly compared to Santana, right? You must be a Muslim also as you have zero tolerance for anything other than what you personally like. There is no room in your world for others to have their own tastes in music, ideas, or thought? How sad (or perfect) your life must be. It must be lonely up on your pedestal sir.
AbraxasTribute 1 year ago
CS and JM are both red hot and inspiring.
taariqtaariq 1 year ago
Awesome video!
JesusSoldierZ 1 year ago
Imat00I... Truly you have lost your way, if you ever had one. To insult Santana because of his style is to insult black people because they are not white, to insult a hockey player because he isn't a basketball player or to insult a woman because she is not a man. WTF over?
AbraxasTribute 1 year ago
John sounds like he's using an octaver; is he or is the sound poor?
hartistry1957 1 year ago
these guys work well together here
fabekuso 1 year ago
tonythetemplar: It's a guitar synth.
KABRIS1 1 year ago
Yo Guys, quit quarrelling, better tell me if John has any pick ups on his guitar. I can only see empty holes?!
tonythetemplar 1 year ago
@tonythetemplar John's been experimenting with MIDI a lot, and I suspect that this guitar of his is entirely geared towards driving a guitar synth via piezo pickups. A few years ago, he didn't even use an amplifier anymore. He simply plugged his guitar into a laptop and took it from there. ;-)
AragornCF 1 year ago
the roland, in this context sounds like shit and even shitter when contrasted with Carlos' mean tone
rorshakks 1 year ago
fuck you
theman2890 1 year ago
right back at ya, you little douche
rorshakks 1 year ago
mate, if you can't hear it, then sucks to be you. just go back to watching jeff beck, jimmy page videos with their 'mean tone' and inferior playing
theman2890 1 year ago
Damn this is awesome. John's playing almost sounds like a keyboard. Very odd, but unique.
ShittakeBukakke 1 year ago
santana's tone is awesome, there are a few licks that is santana, otherwise I would not have guessed it as him
mistrynp 2 years ago
this video should read Mclaughlin and Santana trading side by side!!!!!!!!!!!!
one of a kind video.
1Delta 2 years ago 2
jesus this was 1985 and that was they looked like and what they sounded like leave the roland guitar be
MrButtawitz 2 years ago
who' s the drummer?
fabianidhesona 2 years ago
danny gottlieb
azharkamal 2 years ago
i know i should be talking about the music.. but.. what the hell is with santana's hair?
ThreeLeggedMongoose 2 years ago
hey! he was the inspiration of Carrot Top. Get cool man.
timmhg 2 years ago
Carlos learned to play with less notes from Miles Davis.
comparing this to guys is like comparing John Coltrane with Miles Davis. they are so different. Mclaughlin is like Coltrane, instead Carlos Is like Miles Davis.
fabianidhesona 2 years ago 3
ugh, that guitar synth tone. wretched.
kwakky 2 years ago 3
sultana is messing with the big boys here
StreetLegal75 2 years ago 3
Really. That just tells me you can't control your shit. You must be a real dickhead with a name like that too. Go and shoot yourself in the head loser.
daverlb 2 years ago
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I just threw up in my mouth. This all that bastardises good jazz.
daverlb 2 years ago
how/why did mclaughlin do that with his guitar sound
eastweymouthchris 2 years ago
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This is crap, Paco de Lucia is the best guitarist ever!!!
ZR1Terror 2 years ago
If you like it -it's good- and I like it!
pigletized 2 years ago
Santana is just a blues player, Al Di Meola OWNS ALL
AssyNipple 2 years ago
if you close your eyes... it sounds like a guitar vs keytar battle!!!!! lol .. the 80s suck!!!!!!!
fperdomo 2 years ago
sounds like JM didn't want to upstage Santana and used some flute synth that was way to clean and artificial, lacking harmonics.
This is really an interesting and unusual vid clip to see the contrast. But I don't think JM ever used that tone in recording or on a usual basis.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks!
Santana sounded great as usual.
Thanks for posting this vid!
Xid3d 2 years ago 4
Actually i've heard quite a few recordings of the mahavishnu orchestra where John uses this exact kind of synth sound quite a bit. And, as afr as "upstaging" carlos, these two guys would never even think in those terms, they even profess the same religious beliefs, and are only interested in creating beautiful music. Is JM more technically proficient? yes. Does that make me listen to his music more than that of Carlos? No. They are both awesome!
mindaflame7 2 years ago 34
So very well put! Wonderful and so very accurate an insight!
Genceroni 2 years ago 2
@mindaflame7 Very well spoken sir!
Guitfiddlejase 11 months ago
@mindaflame7 Exactly bro, excellent post.
colacoca355 5 months ago
wow now that was pure freaking wild
TonyJenRock1 2 years ago
McLaughlin's in there and you're discussing Santana? Says it all. About you.
Steeyuv 2 years ago
Far out Santana's tone sounds fantastic.
I'd imagine the guitar synth sound would have been like something from outer space back then.
whatzupa 2 years ago
People putting down Santana's guitar playing? Wow. Of course this is YouTube, so no surprise there.
He's got one of the most distinctive styles out there. His phrasing is incredibly personal. If you don't get Santana, that's a "you problem." Before Santana's massive pop success, he still was playing to 8 to 10,000 people at a show. Longitivity like Santana's isn't easy to come by. He's been relevant in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Just like Eric Clapton.
flazjsg 2 years ago 3
Sorry, but someone got his arse handed to him in this video.... and it wasn't McLaughlin.
oogleoink 2 years ago
The thing is, I'd like to like Santana. Every time I read an interview wih him, he seems like such a deep thinker, kind soul, and great all-around person.
Then I hear his playing, and it's just the most noodly-noodly stuff with nothing behind it.
beagleguitar 2 years ago
Nothing behind it? Try 9 grammys and over 60 albums for starters, but its never been about grammys,awards and all that shit with carlos, his concept has always been "less is more". what others are trying to say with 100 notes, carlos can say with one well placed note. youre looking in the wrong direction "down", look up above your ego, beyond scales, technique, and all the superficial shit, then you'll understand why jimi and john wanted to play with carlos. "BEAGLE"? now thats deep lol
kexari 2 years ago
Look, I enjoy plenty of "less is more" players, such as B.B. King in the blues and The Edge in rock. I just don't enjoy Santana's playing. I'm entitled to my opinion.
Besides, that's silly coming from Santana, because he DOES try to play fast sometimes; that's when he gets really noodly, because his fast licks are just boring and silly.
IMO, his tone is blah, his note choice is pedestrian, and his playing lacks inventiveness. I like to hear him talk though, and he seems like a nice guy.
beagleguitar 2 years ago
Carlos' technique is his heart and soul, thats one reason no one will ever duplicate that sound. Pick up a small stone in a pile of gravel its very unique, but if you throw it back on the pile, it looks exactly like all the others. Isnt it funny, of "all" the guitar players out there one can immediatlly recognize carlos' playing from the first note? because its from the heart not the brain, love and honesty lives there man, and the world hungers for that, especially women, women "love" noodles!!
kexari 2 years ago
man , you're so right. I love all the shredders like vai and gilbert and jazz virtuosis like benson's and mclaughlin's but you're totally right. guys like santana, gilmour and bb king are genius cause they express the same feeling (n sometimes a lot more) with less notes. just knowing where to put them. they say when geniuses go from A they dont need to pass through B to get to C...sorry for the english. I'm not american.
joaodapinhanhara 2 years ago
@joaodapinhanhara Very good. Your English is fine, and your point is right on the money. All the speedo-shredders are great technically sure, but there isn't one iota of feeling or passion in any of the 3,000 notes per minute they play. Santana can take 4 notes and make you feel something. So now speed is the only thing that is important? If you are fast you are good, if you aren't as fast as Malmsteen, etc. you suck? Gimme' a break. BB, Santana, Carlton, etc. make you FEEL the music.
AbraxasTribute 1 year ago
@AbraxasTribute This is one of the problems with society. Feelings are being replaced by 1. Anger. Mind is being replaced by simply the eye.... or "I." And compassion is being replaced by narcissism. Like I said, Santana is not one of my all time personal faves, but I have a lot of respect for him. I'm not crazy about Joe Maphis's style, but is he good? HECK YEAH! One has to give credit where credit is due. But if your a narcissist or petty, how can you?
Upritebass 1 year ago
You're the one that's noodly-noodly, dummy.
boxingin 2 years ago
Carlos Santana looks like Gallager.
zombieraddish 2 years ago
I respectfully disagree
Adamboms 2 years ago
These arguments are sort of like arguing about who is the better singer Johnny Cash or Pavorotti. Pavarotti was technically the better singer--could he perform "Folsom Prison Blues" better than Cash--Nope. Ditto Cash on Pavarotti's music. The answer to me is that each could "sell" their genre's song, it's a matter of taste who you liked. Neither could "sell" the other's music (nor would have wanted to for that matter.) It's not a contest or a gunfight. CS is just a little out of his element
garyguitar 2 years ago 3
All of you are calling Santana "mediocre" (at best) guitarist. Tell me something. How many albums do YOU have? How many MILLIONS of people have YOU played for? How many songs have YOU written and recorded? What have you done with YOUR life, well except to sit around on the computer and crack on other musicians? Let's see your videos on YouTube and see how good YOU are since Santana sucks so much.
AbraxasTribute 2 years ago 12
BRAVO ! ! ! Your absoulty right It's allways easy to critisize but to make it better is the magic ! there are also guitarist wich i dont like but i would not insult them. I had the chance to meet Carlos Santana & John McLaughlin in Person and i can tell you they are damm to the ground persons no noobs as some of you here.The ones concering know. VIA SANTANA
LockOnNow 2 years ago 3
@LockOnNow It's usually the wannabes who are the noobs Bcuz they are jealous.
Santana was no shlock guitar player. Okay, so the tunes are not among my top personal faves, but would I go to a concert? HECK YEAH! I hear he's a super nice guy too. And I really did like that tune he did not long ago. Okay, so he didn't shred the guitar in it, I don't think the song called for it. But It was so freakin catchy, It made me groove everytime I heard it.
Upritebass 1 year ago
this logic makes no sense. Am I not allowed to criticize the Chevy Cavalier for being a crappy car (which nearly everyone will agree with) just because I cannot build a better car? Am I not allowed to criticize a poorly cooked steak if I can't cook a better one?
Anyway, Santana does what he does and does it well, and I respect him as a musician. But when it comes to versatility and technical virtuosity, McLaughlin is the better player. This isn't a knock on Santana, just an observation.
lotusesprit5 2 years ago
well, your criticizing a "Vette" with nitrous thinking its a cavalier, and if u were in a restaurant eating a steak that everyone else loved well?!!? Id say u just have shitty taste and put a boot up your ass. Peace
kexari 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks Santana is a mediocre guitarist is a jackass at the very best.
Hexaam 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks Santana is a mediocre guitarist is someone who thinks Santana is a mediocre guitarist!
osensei2987 2 years ago
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GiantManFromNJ 2 years ago
You said I would be stuck on an island and could only take one guitarist to listen for the rest of life and no one else I would have to take Carlos. Even above Jimi, even above all the jazz greats. I'm miss them horribly but I'd rather hear deep, resonatiing, sincerity Carlos seems to inately put in ever note. I'd miss that the most.
Xelanderthomas 2 years ago
@AbraxasTribute Carlos Santana's tone is unique. If you can recognize a guitarist by simply hearing him (or her), that says a lot. If you can recognize them after just a few licks, then that says even more. But there's only one guitarist whom you can recognize if he plays a single note, and that's Carlos Santana. There is so much soul into every note he plays, and into how he creates his sound. Carlos has always been a great influence on me and has also influenced countless others.
AragornCF 1 year ago 2
@AbraxasTribute Love you're attitude!
Dannymusic1999 1 year ago
its not about what you have done in your life that counts..its talent that counts!
your comment sounds just like..Bruce lee was the strongest and fastest martial artist in the world..because he made MOVIES!!!and millions of people know his name..but everybody knows a shaolin monk would bitchslap bruce lee..and yes santana is even worse than mediocre..he just had more luck finding a good label that did a great job with commercials,people on youtube plays better than him..and you know their name?
HyperfastMalmsteen 1 year ago
@AbraxasTribute Why does it matter? Mcdonalds is one of the most famous food chains in the world, just because its more popular, does that make it better? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
tastefulphrasing 1 year ago
@AbraxasTribute lol he is mediocre, what does he play that any average guitarist can't? Nothing. He has no passion at all and was only interesting when he used to take drugs.
KingOfSchmucks 1 year ago
@KingOfSchmucks No guitarrists can play his songs .... before he creates it ...got it ...or its to complex to your head?He has no passion... so you must be dead...rip.lol.
I'm a player ...i love technics love and play shred a lot...i'm not one of those who think that technics and speed means no felling.But felling and passion can be expressed with the most complex technics and dificulty and also can be expressed so well with a 2 chord song...
beroth77 9 months ago
@AbraxasTribute
They also should ask themselves : why is McLaughlin playing with Santana but not with me ?
ZeldaSexuel 1 year ago
@AbraxasTribute
Absolutely bullet proof logic, slick. I know that when I eat a shitty meal at a restaurant, or get into car wrecks due to shoddy mechanic work, I keep my fucking mouth shut. Who am I to have a viable opinion without being at the same level? It's good to know there are people like you to set the rest of us straight. No opinions can be tolerated except for the ones that you agree with, of course.
CafasTheDragon 1 year ago
@AbraxasTribute Thank YOU......my feelings exactly....want to say that to anyone who criticizes ANY great musician--hey what have U done lately>?
magdaszabo 1 year ago
John Mclaughlin have more ideas and capacity on the instrument. Remember that John have practise over 7 hour at day.
I like Carlos also, but he's a mediocre guitarist.
Corilo91 2 years ago
You got that right. Mediocre is the word I should've used for Santana in my tirade. Mediocrity does pay off from the common mass though.
Imat00l 2 years ago
Santana TOTALLY out of his league. One of the most overrated players out there.
beagleguitar 2 years ago
Yeah man! I agree somewhat, but every time I write Carlos off a mediocre I'll be damned if he doesn't up and do something that surprises me.Overall, I just have to say that Carlos has his thing that he does and he does it well.
I've seen players that I know for a fact are much better than him get on stage with him and he made them look silly! Because they just don't fit into his (Carlos') thing.
osensei2987 2 years ago
wouldn't say overrated; but you have a point, it is The Mahavishnu fucking Orchestra
PhukkOfff 2 years ago
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I can't think of any over-rated guitarist that is worst than Carlos Santana. I was optimistic when I clicked on this link since I haven't heard his crap in possibly years. Compare his old to his current shit and it should be clear that he hasn't improve or progressed in anything. It's the same personality, same sloppy technique, the Santana trademark bends/trills - Oh' god what a BORE!
Imat00l 2 years ago
i completely disagree, indeed his technique hasn't evolved but his timing is seriously good - he can groove his way through anything. listen to his moonflower album - boring? i dont think so!
crobins333 2 years ago
lmat001: I was going to highlight a few points in regards to your ignorant, absurd, and plain ludicrous comments, but after a quick look at your musical preferences on your page, I quickly realised who I would be dealing with so I won't bother....
LasCondesSantiago 2 years ago
I can only critique about my listening experience. I'm not ignorant either. I'm a guitar fanatic as well as owner of shit load of Santana records that I've inherited -mostly early shit. And god only knows how many times that my brother and I have played each of them. And there's pencil neck in my office that loves to blast his Jack FM which plays a lot of Santana's recent shit. Please tell me what makes him such a great guitarist and what does my aforementioned music have to do with my comment?
Imat00l 2 years ago
correction: ...Please tell me what makes him such a great guitarist other than his multi-platinum status and what does my aforementioned music have to do with my "ignorant, absurd, plain ludicrous" comment?
Imat00l 2 years ago
Well it's as simply as that he has the right feeling it' does not matter how fast you can play but what matters is how much feeling you but into your playing if you dont feel it how can you expect others to feel it ???
LockOnNow 2 years ago
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That's like saying Sally Fields is such a great actress because she puts forth the right emotions and feelings in all her stupid screen roles. And by all means technique and finesse means nothing as there's feeling in it. C'mon dood! She is a prime example of terrible acting and blandness. Santana overall guitar playing strikes me the same way. I'm sorry, I do not like bones in my soup as Santana himself would call his own slop technique.
Imat00l 2 years ago
Does Sally Fields plays the guitar ??? Santana is one of the greatest living guitar heros on this planet it is your right to dislike him but it is you who has to live with that opinion.
LockOnNow 2 years ago 3
@LockOnNow i love sally field
rosycross 1 year ago
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@LockOnNow - god is this boring. they havnt changed in a million years ! sigh,maybe im on the wrong planet for ever changing guitar solos? dont even suggest another boring musician viz. hendrix to listen to - worse than these two !!!
54donny 1 year ago
@54donny - Simply do it better i am sure you outplay all of them....
LockOnNow 1 year ago 5
@LockOnNow The guy is right, this is a pile of boring rubbish that anyone who spends half an hour in their bedroom could play. Bring on passion and soul, oh and originality! ;)
KingOfSchmucks 1 year ago
@KingOfSchmucks So ask Mclaughlin why he pays several times with Carlos?Ask Pat Mathany too.....Cause you ..if you are a player,they kick your ass so hard that even i would be rubbish ....when (of course it will never happen)you reach mclaughlin and pathany's level you may say someting ...but now...just learn with them...who kick your ass to the bone and consider Carlos one of the greatest
beroth77 9 months ago
@KingOfSchmucks Couldt help myself ...you have Randy California in your channell?and yoy're talking that anyone can play Santanas songs? hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahyes... your idols are really hard to play,very virtuosos ,very technical...get help
beroth77 9 months ago
@54donny donny you are idiot
gasparovsky1 1 year ago
@54donny
youre idiot and dont know music
gasparovsky1 1 year ago
I like how people seem to think that they are a better judge of talent than the musicians themselves. Do you think that McLaughlin had Santana come play with him because he was popular? Santana was/is a great guitarist he just moved on to write a bunch of pop music to make billions of dollars. Listen to some of his early work especially the stuff he did with John and then tell me he's not a great guitar player. You ignorance is disturbing.
dzurawell19 2 years ago 4
I so agree with you. Obviously McLaughlin heard an equality on some of muscianship that attracted him to Carlos. McLaughlin's act was pretty hot in those days so I'm sure he wasn't making a choice just for the comercial viability and besides, if that were true then why play the actual less commercial music (than Santana had been playing) together.
Xelanderthomas 2 years ago
some guitarists have great technical skill while some are great band leaders and take their music to the people
ericmackenzie123 2 years ago
I think it is meaningless to compare two insanely good guitarists on this video. They aren't competing, just playing music.
Ocujogurt 2 years ago 17
i applaud you for being smart
mario21128 2 years ago
That overexposed video made me think I was getting a flashback for a second there.
whatzupa 2 years ago
Carlos is more tasteful and John is more technical. They are both excellent. I prefer Carlos's style and sound.
ninjajo11 3 years ago
they both are great and not to mention different types of guitar players so you cant say one is better than the other. listen to FLAME SKY where they both play beautifully together. its probably the best instrumental of all time
flamesky9 3 years ago
>> so you cant say one is better than the other....
McLaughlin has obviously studied and practiced a lot more than Santana.
To play at Santana's level is not too difficult (mainly the blues scale, bending the obvious notes, etc).
To do what McLaughlin's doing, you have better done your homework.
GaryNull 2 years ago 6
yes and no. sure, santana's side may not be as complicated technically speaking, but it is also hard to play right. some people who are more on john's side of playing cant pull off that bluesy sound as much as a blues player can(obviously). so i guess its more of that niether are better muscians. john can do more guitar wise though. i find santanas playing a little more lyrical than johns though. but he's also more my style so maybe im biased.
timmy47 2 years ago
Good points.
But they way I'm looking at it (being a guitar player), I get bored playing the same tired blues scale, bending the same notes, etc..., and I find Santana's playing boring in that respect.
I also don't like over technical guitarist either.
Being original and having a unique sound on the guitar (or any instrument) comes from years of playing and experimenting.
The bottom line :
If someone's playing excites you, that's all that should matter.
GaryNull 2 years ago
Couldn't agree more. Pretentious histrionics and fret gymnastics do not music make. Wes said more in three notes...
tchwiss 2 years ago
McLaughlin is insane
ljguitar91 3 years ago
string bends = emotion?
what do cock bends = ?
cinderellacandy 3 years ago 3
pain
drewhet 3 years ago
Well, for every note Carlos plays, Juanito has an answer in multiple linguages... so what? Bravo para todo los dos!
eelalien 3 years ago
Nice perfomance different styles both of them are great players. Gran ejecucion, diferentes estilos, los dos son grandes
rd40082 3 years ago 2
look for Frank Marino it is real good too!
soundoflight 3 years ago
John has more feeling and intellectual feeling. A true master. Carlos playes the same solo as in 1970s, but its still good.
Gandar9 3 years ago 3
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JG92987 3 years ago
What an asshole you must be, you nationalist dolt.
mrbiteymouth 3 years ago
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JG92987 3 years ago
McLaughlin has often said that to play guitar you have to learn everything, and then try to forget it when improvising. Thinking about his playing is what he's trying to get away from.
Also, i personally feel that saying John McLaughlin has no feeling is laughable. In the guitar community the formula seems to be:
Pentatonic Minors + String Bends = Emotion
HitThatJiveJack 3 years ago 4
you're right. its kind of a cop out by blues based players unfortunatly. but i think also that by using more bends and the pentatonic, it sounds more like singing i find. im not sure what it is about it, maybe its because the blues scale was based around how blues singers sang. of course though the 5 tone scale has been around before that though. its really how you use it. or any scale for that matter. johns playing isnt as relatable to general listeners i think. maybe thats the problem.
timmy47 2 years ago
Im pretty sure that Carlos would concede .. John M. is the better guitar player.. listen to the album, "Love, Devotion , Surrender" and its painfully obvious that John M. surpasses Carlos.
ybyainc 3 years ago
Who's comparing? It is not fair to compare these two artist. They both have their area of shining. John has vast more knowledge of music theoretically than Carlos so he can apply more. Santana was brought up as a blues player, he plays with more soul and feeling. One note can tell a story. Stop bashing these two great musicians.
orlandoCF1 3 years ago
Sadhutrio, no soy gringo. Tampoco soy limitado como usted. Si quieres hablar de musicos latinos, vamos a mensionar a Arturo Sandoval, Chucho Valdez, Emiliano Salvador. Estos son musicos! Tienes razon en decir que la musica es espiritual pero hay que pulirlo para traspasar las dimensiones.
Chazzy68 3 years ago
con esto que estas diciendo estas diciendo que guitarristas como hendrix, bb king, stevie ray vaughan, eric clapton son limitados?
como lo vuelvo a repetir no por nada gente que sabe muchisimo mas que usted, ah invitado a santana a tocar con ellos que mas muestra que el gran metheny
santana toca siempre lo mismo pero lo que lo hace tan cabron es que lo mismo que toca lo hace sonar chingon con cualquier estilo
"Las escalas son como el abecedario, nadie es poeta por decir a, b, c, d, etc..."
mexicanbarracuda 3 years ago
Es posible sonar chingon con unas cuantas notas y conmover, pero el vocabulario que se usa va a seguir siendo limitado.
Tambien es posible usar mil escalas y no decir nada.
Sin embargo creo que McLaughlin, Metheny, y otros dicen mucho mas que Carlos, aunque eso no signifique que sean mejores.
Es como expresarle al amor de tu vida tus sentimientos: podes decir simplemente "TE AMO" y aveces es lo mas indicado, pero no es lindo poder decirlo de otras formas mas profundas?
cristuspz 3 years ago
Neruda no decia "a,b,c,d,etc." pero tampoco se limitaba a decir "te amo" todo el tiempo :)
cristuspz 3 years ago
jajjaja estos gringos presumidos no saben lo que es musica , santana con su musica llega a otra dimencion , una dimencion espiritual grande santana !!! sin duda 2 genios en este video
Sadhutrio 3 years ago
Santana musical? Please! Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius, Mike Stern, John Scofield, Michael Hedges; that's musical! Not Carlos, with his little 3 note trills, pentatonic repetitions, and discontinued licks. I was never that much of a McLaughlin fan but he can play.
Chazzy68 3 years ago
jajjaja estos gringos presumidos no saben lo que es musica , santana con su musica llega a otra dimencion , una dimencion espiritual grande santana !!! sin duda 2 genios en este video
Sadhutrio 3 years ago
vaya tal es que santana es un pinche maestro que mclaughlin, pat metheny y varios mas lo han invitado a jammear
tocando pentatonicas y combinaciones de 3 notas hace que tu pinche cerebro estalle para pura pinche muestra esta black magic woman
vale madre con cuantas escalas toque, la musica no se trata de haber quien mete mas escalas y mas tecnica si no, ver quien hace llegar el mensaje de lo que esta haciendo y sintiendo
hay 2 tipos de musico el que apantalla y el que conmueve
mexicanbarracuda 3 years ago
McLaughlin is an amazing, technically superb guitarist... No doubt. He can play faster than both Paco and Al Di Meola - but as far as being musical and having some soul to the playing? Well, he just doesn't reach me. Santana's playing has more soul. Maybe it's because of his tendency to go to Indian scales that I didn't grow up with. Could be. Santana's playing is simply more musical. And if you don't know the difference between playing notes and making music, well, you won't get it.
wopanese2 3 years ago
He's Not more musical...He's just different ...both are great guitar players but they express different things by playing
litisbar 3 years ago