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The man who is not frightened of life is not frightened of being completely insecure for he understands that inwardly, psychologically, there is no security. When there is no security there is an endless movement and then life and death are the same. The man who lives without conflict, who lives with beauty and love, is not frightened of death because to love is to die.
From: p. 75-77, Jiddu Krishnamurti, Freedom from the known
Capitalism is the historic evolution of private property relationship of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity in a modality of wage slavery in a politically manipulated,tyrannical Market Sysytem of Commodity production for Profit. A minority imposition of a system of abstract process of Capital accumulation and concentration and increasing human misery, enviornmental destruction, animal cruelty .A world of cooperation for our common needs and well being is an absolute imperative.
CONMAN... he reinterprets the Buddhism and claims his own brand of enlightenment but really he's just an arrogant guru. Claims he knows real love but doesn't tell you what it is. Except he knows it not you. Better make him your guru. Pathetic! Hey guess what's in the conman's jacket... It's a fake watch people! He's got it you don't!
It is simply a fact. One may like it or dislike it, but it is irrelevant. Yes, one who has realized himself lives in a different state of consciousness than the ordinary person. And if one has come to one's awakening, it is not through a sit and do nothing approach. It requires immense effort and energy, not to come to awakening, but to dissolve the psychological hindrances which have prevented oneself from seeing directly into one's true nature.
@tafka100 you know what happends in boredom.. most of the time your thinking away from your place trying to fantasize about reaching something else.. okay, so we can both agree our life's are unpeacefull then, our minds at least.. then you saying that if we move away from all these unnecessary troubles, worries, conflicts that has brought man so much misery, genocides and so on, that we would be in an unpeacefull state? that life would be!? this is what he means by "this misery we accept"..
@denisdrazetic ah so thats why huh.. its not cause we kill in the name of our country, our flag, our religion, our gods, our ideals, our history, our pride, our race, "our people", and so on.. no never ever has anyone ever died of any of this.. But if u were referring to something theori about depopulation agendas set by who-knows interests, your probably right, that could be a reason too.. EXCEPT that its not all!! theres no big picture too catch, there's just painting it furthere..
There is no mistery in what he says! As I see it, me=brain. So I am only an illusion made by the brain. The brain is usually conditioned, e.g.:uses past experiences for the future. The BRAIN or I can say ME always needs to rely on something but when it comes to death then people come up with ideas like there is a god, allah, zeus or an immortal soul which goes on after death because the brain is unable to imagine death. Therefore, death is only in the brain. That's my way of interpretation.
I dont even understand what his talking about.Is he saying that life is not better than death ? Well I think it is and this makes death a "bad" thing compared to living, its all subjective.And whats with avoidig conflicts etc ? Conflicts, worries, troubles etc are all a pat of our lives and without these there wouldnt be any happy times because every day would virtually be the same so you could not differentiate between a happy and a less happy day.Life would be boring.
@tafka100 I cannot completely agree with this statement. Death is equivalent to life in that they are both inevitable. Life and death should not become the question " what is good or bad? " Nobody will truly live long enough to see everything in the world being happy/peaceful. That is also something that would be considered inevitable most certainly in our lifetime and possibly in another generation ahead of us. We cannot answer these questions with time in our minds...Live life and discover.
nasafakedit the shitler-loving, retarded shithead knows nothing about anything. nasafakedit reads his evil Mein Kampf, Communist Manifesto, and Koran just like the backward, shitler-loving antisemite that he is
Yes if we could live without conflict, then death loses its fearsomeness. It's when one has never had a chance to really live, that one resists death.
for me.. life is a chance to keep learning and do something different to the world.. and of course I can't do that without solving conflict or challenging difficulties in my life.. Death connects with bodies.. but our souls can't die..It's another journey..and that's what i believe !
If you accept that physical life does not necessarily begin at conception, that conception is only a coming together of two independent biological energies to become a single complex living thing, then does the death of the body mean dying? Creation only assimilates and diffuses energy in the form of sentient biological activity as life. There is no such thing as the death. Its an abstraction of human understanding.
But he himself did not live without conflict. He became bitter enemies with a former friend because he carried on an affair with that man's wife for 30 years. It ended up in court with each bitterly denouncing the other.
And then of course, there was the discord between him and his mistress when he found a new one. And then another and another.
Try and listen to what he is saying and think about it without your own filters of prejudice, jealousy, envy and bias in your interpretation of what is being said, and trying to prove him wrong.
This man has no capacity to be bitter over something so fabricated, whether this event took place, although I am certain that your source of information was degrading propaganda from his defamers and rivals.
DURound, how do you know this? I am curious about this. Can you give me the books that has this info? I would sure like to read this fact for myself mate. Interesting indeed.
This man is not a hypocrit and if it actually happened he would definately not feel that the other man was his enemy or any bitterness. He is too smart too be carried away like that, you can tell.
Also, everyone has their own hypocracies, no one is faultless, so why would you degrade a man over something so silly when he is such a sincere and good willed person?
he had a long term relationship with the wife of his closest friend and then cheated on her with a younger woman, thus earning the emnity of both his best friend and that mans' wife.
in that case, what a total phony he was. there was a time back in the 1980's when all i read were his books. i even went to hear him speak in person back in 1985, maybe about nine months before he died. what a waste all that was
actually, I abandoned all that stuff long ago, when I took my first trip to Israel. i found the works of, say, Swami Vivekananda a whole lot more compelling, and understandable, anyway
Thanks for telling me about him. I will do some research into his life. He sounds interesting -- per wikipedia.
I am a Christian in the sense that I believe in Jesus as a great mediator for mankind, and I would not abandon that because I am convinced it is true, but on the other hand, I do not have a problem with finding out what other people have learned of spiritual things.
Swami Vivekananda was Ramakrishna's foremost student. Both were part of very mainstream Hinduism. They were not New Age crackpots like Krishnamurti, Rajneesh, etc
I will say that Swami Vivekananda was also a student of Western philosophy. So it is entirely possible that I enjoyed his writings because there is a familiarity to them. Whatever the reason, he is quite compelling. If you plan to read his writings, I suggest starting with his books on the four yogas: jnana, hatha, raja, bakhti
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@DURound once again you a mark ass christian ass faggot bitch when i see you or even get a comment back ima slice your throat in piss in your breathing whole
well, actually, i only sound like i am upset. but really, i like when they make their stupid comments, because then i can put them in their place by essentially calling them stupid
@DURound is a bitch for that nigga you must not heard jiddu message or you even mite be a christain so its cleary that you been condition to be a bitch fucking whore fight me
Life and death travels hand in hand. In this present moment, we are living but the cells in our body are slowly dying. We do our best to preserve life but the truth is we will all die in let say 100 years from now. Why live within a state of conflict and trick ourselves out of death. The truth is nobody can. Live a peaceful life like me, accept death. X_X
The outward manifestations of the body and mind are always in a constant state of flux, without anything "permanent" in the process. The very fear of death is irrational and arises out of the idea that there is in fact some permanent entity within oneself - it is a longing for a continuum of that which does not exist. Death is not some phenomenon that occurs at the end of life, but in fact, life and death are already happening together within oneself simultaneously. Such is the nature of change
It is inevitable, but unless one has investigated into it thoroughly, one will have all kinds of short-sighted conclusions as to what death is. And in fact, there is no such thing as death in the sense of a true coming to an end, but only a continuity of energy in a different form. It is simply a kind of transition. But certainly, you are bound to cling to all kinds of ideas, both about life and death, not understanding that to see into life and death, you will need a holistic vision.
@Amirmourad Sure, the energy is transitioned into other things. For example we could be gound up and fed to pigs who may then sustain themselves on our energy. This is basic science.
I cannot accept this as a solution as I would feel as if I was stepping back from the experience of what it means to be human, and intellectualizing about what happens to the matter, seems to me to be a futile attempt to save my psyche from the truth.
What is "good" and "bad", "right" and "wrong", are just the relative likes and dislikes of the mind. That which you like, naturally you think it is good. That which you dislike, naturally you think it is bad.
Actions have no quality in themselves, it is the state of awareness which is flowing beneath the action which determines it's quality. If you are killing out of violence, then it not "good" or "bad", it simply creates more suffering - both for yourself and others.
don't confuse enlightenment with intelligence. enlightenment is only a concept, there is no such creature. those who claim to be enlightened are deceiving themselves. there is no magic wand of all knowing and all seeing. everyone, including Krishnamurti, makes mistakes and has human foibles. the
altered state spoken of by K was a different experience, it was not a mental realization, that aspect is the purpose of the teaching. the benediction he spoke of is beyond all thought or words.
when you see the mental error, that is the end of it. that is it's death. when you really see your own wrong thinking, it leaves you forever. that is the beauty of meditation, that wonderful freedom of mind that follows the opening up of a once tethered mental process.
The incapacity to accept separation from the Mother which confers individual life on all organisms, the incapacity of the human species to die, and therefore to live begins at birth, in the birth trauma. This is grounded in the biology of prolonged infancy, and its social correlate, the human family.
The incapacity to die throws mankind out of the actuality of living, which for all animals is the same as dying. The result is denial of life (repression) and this causes mortality.
This war against death results in the dominion of death in life and it takes the form of a preoccupation with the past and the future in which the present is lost.
the other observation i found useful from K was the way we are so conditioned to react to questions from him or authority like frightened rabbits, we go absolutely crazy trying produce an answer, and fudge anything to do so. we are never able to admit that WE DON'T KNOW a particular thing. that simple realization began my own change from being a K reader to actually living it. realize that you really just don't know this or that... and also, for this to work, as he said, EXPERIMENT with it.
he means death of thoughts not physical death. "thought is your enemy" as he said is this: we need thought to function in time, to remember, to act, to plan, to live...but the price of associative thought is that it creates false time as psychological time which entrapts you in maya. memories are only chemicals, not real things, therefore maya. to escape thought's cage, you must let it wither on the vine.
thought (memory) acts in a "circle' which creates the center, which is YOU as ms. or mr. watch this movement and question it. watch yourself nonverbally in daily interaction. the only real time is chronological, tick tock, tick tock. mental time is a lie derived from memory. that's why gradual mental change is a lie also. when you see the falsity of the thing, you change INSTANTLY. no time is ever involved in real change. if so, congrats, your brain has just reorganized itself there.
Your comments were very insightful. A very rare thing, on youtube anyways. Some have the appearance of genuine understanding, but I can always sense a "clinging" to thought, or an attempt to have "it" figured out. Thank you.
thank you. i have wanted a discussion with like minded people for years but never could find anything on the web for talking about Krisnamurti. so this is one place where we can talk about the teaching.
right i mostly agree most people respond with from an egotistical standpoint.. a need to express themselves rather than just allowing truth .. because truth just is.. no right or wrong.. no need to further analyze and pick apart.. and the fact is all of this we speak is universal knowledge available to those who are paying attention.
Very intelligent, wise man. I always get very inspired. His teachings are great but completely useless. You will not change or get happy or enlightend by listening to his talks. It's what he says; feel, think it over yourself, don'g get attached! Be a guru to yourself, K was the spaeking mirror you look in.
accepting life certainly difficult at this period of my existence. i see and hear about death as a everyday comment with ease. accepting death or to be killed is the question of this new era of existence . to completely kill yourself to understand love is a evolution requires no revolution.
Right, ask your pastor, don't ask yourself, that's exactly what he attacks. No Sir, to be a Christian doesn't mean to shift your responsibility for the whole of living to your pastor and your church! Read your Gospel again and see how the Master Jesus defines personal responsibility! Then you will see that what K is saying is exactly the same. We Are Humanity!
His philosophy is beautiful. However, it is not practical. When you face with the Dark Lord, all you need is the Mercy of The Almighty. I am speaking from my experiences.
I studied K. for 5 years, reading all of his books. But, i can't go very far. I love K though. Very beautiful Being.
his statements are too arbitrary and vague. his accent makes him sound old and wise but there is no practical application for what he is rambling about. unintelligent people are captivated by his seemingly enlightened rambling but there is not one solution too any real world problem within this giberish.
oops I read it incorrectly...this is about...I swear that word popped in. in anycase. cizar's comment is not about a stupid comment....he is directly referring ot the video.
haha :) welcome back to this video after half a year.funny comment with which I agree unfortunately.But love and progress will heal the wounds of the past.R.
Religion is evil. Read the discourse between artmanack and the 2 Christians. Are you surprised we are in war? This is what religion brings; conflict. Who cares who's right or wrong. Go your own path and leave each other alone. Whatever you do, say, think, etc. you do it to yourself and nothing else. Don't argue anymore. Don't divide. Just let it be, which I should have done by the way. Peace to you all.
Ah dayı...bi de anlasam ne anlatmaya çalıştığını...erecem valla da...bakma gari...her bir kitabını da okudum ya...Allah sonumu hayır etsin artık...hadi rahat uyu sen kabrinde...olur gideriz biz be hocam
Why do you guys keep attaching yourselves to Krishnamurti's videos? What is it about K that causes you guys to feel a need to voice your trivia here?..
artmanack, it sounds a bit grotesque, that precisely YOU talk about " modesty " here - why don´t you start with it yourself ? as to the other gent : yes yes, we are all sinners who deserve HELL ...rubbish! bertrand russel said convincingly: " all my sins deserve me maybe a week in hell - not more" so stop all this masochism, ladies & gents and let´s get down to business!
One evidence of the value of the bible is the character of those who oppose it. Are you saying the writen word of God is manufactured and distorted? I hope God listens to my prayers for you.
artmanack, thanks for your observation!what alan watts has once said: "the war is inside THE SOULS"....so many insults, so little tolerance, such a readines to attack and jump to the throats of each other! and all in the " name " of religion, science, and even spirituality. I dont believe we are " renegades " of the universe, but one can start doubting it, reading all this eagerness to hurt, deny and attack. but then: lastly, they hurt THEMSELVES ...
I am pleased that you should feel anything I have to say here has a value. I really though wonder if this kind of dialogue does have value when one encounters such narrow mindedness. My concern is that this medium becomes a shouting match where the loudest voice gets heard above those of us who prefer to be modest in our approach to these matters.
I am a modest person in the sense that I don't regard my point of view as being any more valid than the next. As I have said this conversation has been hijacked by a narrow minded person whose aim it seems is to promote the bible. His approach does himself and the bible no good. So you now have stuck your oar in and seem just as rude, Why get personal it's so silly and spoils meaningful dialogue.
If you read what I have said through the course of these conversation you will see that I have been balanced. I have been flexible and approachable unlike Mr Marvin whose views are inflexible and quite typical of the born again kind that I have encountered elsewhere. I was thinking last night why I engaged in a dialogue with a man who doesn't speak but shouts. Meaningful dialogue requires good natured openess and I don't see that much on display here.
I want to point out that I don't deny the existance of god and I never have. I much prefer to say I don't know and enquire into these matters. If one lives in absolutes then there's no enquiry. Krishnamurti encouraged doubt as a healthy means of enquiry. He encouraged people to doubt even his own words, to "go into it", what could be more wonderful than that?
Does God exist? (God, not god) Did Jesus Christ live, was he crucified, and was he resurrected? Those are the questions upon which each of us stakes his/her eternity. Krishnamurti is correct that our lives must be filled with love, but he doesn't have any answers.
I prefer god with a small g! My feeling is that christianity (small c) has narrowed down the idea of resurrection and turned it into something trivail, made it a small thing. I have no interest in eternity there's sufficient in the moment to keep me more than happily occupied. Best I think to meet death when it happens with an open mind and an open heart, not in a closed way. If there's something beyond great if not then fine, for now I don't much care.
Please ask yourself: 1. Resurrection is victory over death. How can that be trivial? 2. Will I gamble my eternity on the hope that there is no Hell? I love you. I know Jesus Christ personally because He lives not just in my heart, but in my life. He makes things happen. Please don't miss your chance.
"victory over death" you make it sound like a battle. I have no fear of death whatsoever, none at all and I certainly don't see it as something to be victorious over. If there is something beyond death it trandscends your narrow view of it sir. How dare you suggest that I should think like you..I thank my lucky stars I was never baptized and never conditioned or coerced into believing in anything that requires faith.
Why do you presume my belief is due to early indoctrination? I used to think exactly like you. It was not until I was 44 years old that God showed me His reality. By the way, you should fear death, because it is a battle. The existence of Satan can be seen every day on the news and right now you belong to him.
Living without conflict.. w00aaa. Why are we living because of conflict!! This guy is full of contradiction.
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@TheWayshowerTube you make no sense. Why would you say we are living because of conflict?
nomadicexplorers 2 weeks ago
@nomadicexplorers Study science and stimuli and maybe 1 day you will understand.
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We all have to live and die, so the truth about life and death concerns and applies to us all. True or false? Search "TRUTH CONTEST" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says to learn the Truth. Let's get serious and honest about the truth of life.
DemianHermann 5 months ago
The man who is not frightened of life is not frightened of being completely insecure for he understands that inwardly, psychologically, there is no security. When there is no security there is an endless movement and then life and death are the same. The man who lives without conflict, who lives with beauty and love, is not frightened of death because to love is to die.
From: p. 75-77, Jiddu Krishnamurti, Freedom from the known
BrainwashedHumanity 6 months ago 5
For this world , we can see there's is transition from one body to the next in life and in death.
We know molecules will not perish, but will exchange places, things change slowly, so, our minds are able experience them.
WolfEyesatNight 7 months ago
2 people have just died
thethinkdifferentman 7 months ago
This IS the Afterlife ...... Life after life after life after life........
horuslovechild2 11 months ago
Jurisprudence
Velasca 11 months ago
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Capitalism is the historic evolution of private property relationship of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity in a modality of wage slavery in a politically manipulated,tyrannical Market Sysytem of Commodity production for Profit. A minority imposition of a system of abstract process of Capital accumulation and concentration and increasing human misery, enviornmental destruction, animal cruelty .A world of cooperation for our common needs and well being is an absolute imperative.
arzoyan 1 year ago
CONMAN... he reinterprets the Buddhism and claims his own brand of enlightenment but really he's just an arrogant guru. Claims he knows real love but doesn't tell you what it is. Except he knows it not you. Better make him your guru. Pathetic! Hey guess what's in the conman's jacket... It's a fake watch people! He's got it you don't!
vexiles 1 year ago
@vexiles
You are still in a deep sleep.
It is simply a fact. One may like it or dislike it, but it is irrelevant. Yes, one who has realized himself lives in a different state of consciousness than the ordinary person. And if one has come to one's awakening, it is not through a sit and do nothing approach. It requires immense effort and energy, not to come to awakening, but to dissolve the psychological hindrances which have prevented oneself from seeing directly into one's true nature.
Amirmourad 1 year ago
@Amirmourad what does it matter if you do that or not, and why do you feel it takes immense energy to do so?
EyeWillRefuseYou 8 months ago
@tafka100 you know what happends in boredom.. most of the time your thinking away from your place trying to fantasize about reaching something else.. okay, so we can both agree our life's are unpeacefull then, our minds at least.. then you saying that if we move away from all these unnecessary troubles, worries, conflicts that has brought man so much misery, genocides and so on, that we would be in an unpeacefull state? that life would be!? this is what he means by "this misery we accept"..
Dwrima87 1 year ago
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people die beacuse they are many.They are many beacuse they die.
denisdrazetic 1 year ago
people die beacuse they are many they are many beacuse they die.thats all.
denisdrazetic 1 year ago
@denisdrazetic ah so thats why huh.. its not cause we kill in the name of our country, our flag, our religion, our gods, our ideals, our history, our pride, our race, "our people", and so on.. no never ever has anyone ever died of any of this.. But if u were referring to something theori about depopulation agendas set by who-knows interests, your probably right, that could be a reason too.. EXCEPT that its not all!! theres no big picture too catch, there's just painting it furthere..
Dwrima87 1 year ago
There is no mistery in what he says! As I see it, me=brain. So I am only an illusion made by the brain. The brain is usually conditioned, e.g.:uses past experiences for the future. The BRAIN or I can say ME always needs to rely on something but when it comes to death then people come up with ideas like there is a god, allah, zeus or an immortal soul which goes on after death because the brain is unable to imagine death. Therefore, death is only in the brain. That's my way of interpretation.
szmako 1 year ago
@szmako
urawat1960 1 year ago
@szmako krishna is the walking talking god ventured in 20th centurey
urawat1960 1 year ago
@szmako what u loose when u die. ur body, ur memories, ur self , then ur no one.
what krishan says ur body is there, rest dies . that is nirvana
urawat1960 1 year ago
I dont even understand what his talking about.Is he saying that life is not better than death ? Well I think it is and this makes death a "bad" thing compared to living, its all subjective.And whats with avoidig conflicts etc ? Conflicts, worries, troubles etc are all a pat of our lives and without these there wouldnt be any happy times because every day would virtually be the same so you could not differentiate between a happy and a less happy day.Life would be boring.
tafka100 1 year ago
@tafka100 I cannot completely agree with this statement. Death is equivalent to life in that they are both inevitable. Life and death should not become the question " what is good or bad? " Nobody will truly live long enough to see everything in the world being happy/peaceful. That is also something that would be considered inevitable most certainly in our lifetime and possibly in another generation ahead of us. We cannot answer these questions with time in our minds...Live life and discover.
KamikazeKing 1 year ago
@KamikazeKing it does'nt matter how long u live, it matters how u live. its all up to u thats what krishna says
urawat1960 1 year ago
@tafka100 at the end of the day u will understand
urawat1960 1 year ago
@tafka100 That is how it goes when you are in a state of deep sleep, like we all are.
nir8vana 1 year ago
Wise man who did not share lifes secrets with us
nasafakedit 1 year ago
JK said on his death bed that in 70 years of talking no one had the foggiest idea what he was talikng about
Ironic hey
nasafakedit 1 year ago
nasafakedit has no idea what he is talking about
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69 take your medication
nasafakedit 1 year ago
nasafakedit the shitler-loving, gay antisemite needs to take his medication
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69 the evil jew retarded witch
nasafakedit 1 year ago
nasafakedit the evil nazi retarded islamofascist
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69
havanagila
watch?v=3fN3LDe-LiA&playnext_from=TL&videos=5FD2QcKOKmY
nasafakedit 1 year ago
@nasafakedit The dao de jing says the same thing.
TampaRed 1 year ago
@TampaRed
thanx i will have a look
nasafakedit 1 year ago
krishnamurti is such a nobody lunatic. only nobody lunatics value any thing he has to say
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69 lol retard you have no idea what he said shit head
Go and read your evil bible old testament you backwards jew
nasafakedit 1 year ago
nasafakedit the shitler-loving, retarded shithead knows nothing about anything. nasafakedit reads his evil Mein Kampf, Communist Manifesto, and Koran just like the backward, shitler-loving antisemite that he is
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69 tell us about your evil devil jew god adonai
retarded whore
nasafakedit 1 year ago
retarded whore nasafakedit's evil nazi G-d is Obama
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69 lol the retarded bitch types g-d
nasafakedit 1 year ago
nasafakedit the retarded jerk has no respect for G-d
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69 lol the jew god is the devil
nasafakedit 1 year ago
rnasafakedit is the devil
nakedBison69 1 year ago
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@nakedBison69 "krishnamurti is such a nobody lunatic. only nobody lunatics value any thing he has to say"
The game is not about being somebody, its about being nobody. you work that out and understand it, maybe you will die happily
whitedestroyeryeti 1 year ago
Yes if we could live without conflict, then death loses its fearsomeness. It's when one has never had a chance to really live, that one resists death.
barkulator 1 year ago
barkulator lives with conflict as he resists death
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@barkulator death is ultimate. but u understand only physical death. here i would like to tell u that to find out what u loose when u die.
urawat1960 1 year ago
Oh, poor nakedBison... small mind of yours doing a position 69? LMFAO!!
winstondinesh 1 year ago
winstondinesh has no mind at all
nakedBison69 1 year ago
for me.. life is a chance to keep learning and do something different to the world.. and of course I can't do that without solving conflict or challenging difficulties in my life.. Death connects with bodies.. but our souls can't die..It's another journey..and that's what i believe !
ShinySwan1989 2 years ago
If you accept that physical life does not necessarily begin at conception, that conception is only a coming together of two independent biological energies to become a single complex living thing, then does the death of the body mean dying? Creation only assimilates and diffuses energy in the form of sentient biological activity as life. There is no such thing as the death. Its an abstraction of human understanding.
xk23 2 years ago
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shickboy 2 years ago
He sure is opinionated.
But he himself did not live without conflict. He became bitter enemies with a former friend because he carried on an affair with that man's wife for 30 years. It ended up in court with each bitterly denouncing the other.
And then of course, there was the discord between him and his mistress when he found a new one. And then another and another.
And what about the abortions?
DURound 2 years ago
He never said he lived without conflict.
Try and listen to what he is saying and think about it without your own filters of prejudice, jealousy, envy and bias in your interpretation of what is being said, and trying to prove him wrong.
This man has no capacity to be bitter over something so fabricated, whether this event took place, although I am certain that your source of information was degrading propaganda from his defamers and rivals.
ExpressInside 2 years ago
think about it without your own filters of prejudic
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The man made enemies of his best friend and his mistress -- who was his best friend's wife.
Not because he was teaching some sort of spiritual truth. But because he was horny.
Besides... the stuff he taught is vague drivel. "one must totally die to find what love is". Its nonsense.
DURound 2 years ago
DURound, how do you know this? I am curious about this. Can you give me the books that has this info? I would sure like to read this fact for myself mate. Interesting indeed.
Is it in public records that I can search?
Aonexia 2 years ago
This man is not a hypocrit and if it actually happened he would definately not feel that the other man was his enemy or any bitterness. He is too smart too be carried away like that, you can tell.
Also, everyone has their own hypocracies, no one is faultless, so why would you degrade a man over something so silly when he is such a sincere and good willed person?
ExpressInside 2 years ago
he would definately not feel that the other man was his enemy or any bitterness
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Are you sure? He called the man who probably seduced him into homosexuality as "evi" and sued his former best friend, at court numerous times.
I think the bottom line is that this is a man who preached a philosophy that he was unable to live by. If the teacher cannot do it, who can?
DURound 2 years ago
are you saying that krishnamurti had sex with one married woman after another, even women who were the wives of his closest of friends?
nakedBison69 2 years ago
he had a long term relationship with the wife of his closest friend and then cheated on her with a younger woman, thus earning the emnity of both his best friend and that mans' wife.
DURound 2 years ago
in that case, what a total phony he was. there was a time back in the 1980's when all i read were his books. i even went to hear him speak in person back in 1985, maybe about nine months before he died. what a waste all that was
nakedBison69 2 years ago
I think he was, in fact, a phony. And this was the criticism of U.G. krishnamurti, one of his very famous students.. that he was a fraud.
However, U.G. came to somewhat similar conclusions as Jidduh. As far as I know, he was better at practicing what he preached.
DURound 2 years ago
so the things that krishnamurti preached were sound ideas, the only bad part being that he did not live up to what he said?
nakedBison69 2 years ago
A lot of what he said sounds like babbling to me.
But one of his disciples was a better example of what it sounds like the ideals of that teaching were.
DURound 2 years ago
actually, I abandoned all that stuff long ago, when I took my first trip to Israel. i found the works of, say, Swami Vivekananda a whole lot more compelling, and understandable, anyway
nakedBison69 2 years ago
Thanks for telling me about him. I will do some research into his life. He sounds interesting -- per wikipedia.
I am a Christian in the sense that I believe in Jesus as a great mediator for mankind, and I would not abandon that because I am convinced it is true, but on the other hand, I do not have a problem with finding out what other people have learned of spiritual things.
DURound 2 years ago
Swami Vivekananda was Ramakrishna's foremost student. Both were part of very mainstream Hinduism. They were not New Age crackpots like Krishnamurti, Rajneesh, etc
I will say that Swami Vivekananda was also a student of Western philosophy. So it is entirely possible that I enjoyed his writings because there is a familiarity to them. Whatever the reason, he is quite compelling. If you plan to read his writings, I suggest starting with his books on the four yogas: jnana, hatha, raja, bakhti
nakedBison69 2 years ago
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abigotschild07 2 years ago
abigotschild07 the fucking nigga lame ass jerk faggot is going to die
nakedBison69 2 years ago
I am Jewish, btw
nakedBison69 2 years ago
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@DURound once again you a mark ass christian ass faggot bitch when i see you or even get a comment back ima slice your throat in piss in your breathing whole
abigotschild07 2 years ago
LOL. is that because you are such a devotee of the "peaceful ways" of Krishnamurti?
Silly idiot.
DURound 2 years ago
apparently, aBigotsChild07 is a typical follower of the charlatan known as Krishnamurti
nakedBison69 2 years ago
He got you upset. I find him silly.
DURound 2 years ago
well, actually, i only sound like i am upset. but really, i like when they make their stupid comments, because then i can put them in their place by essentially calling them stupid
nakedBison69 2 years ago
@nakedBison69
fuck jehovah
nasafakedit 1 year ago
fuck nasafakedit
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69 lol how is the mental asylum jew bitch?
nasafakedit 1 year ago
nasafakedit the nazi bitch lives in a mental asylum
nakedBison69 1 year ago
abigotschild07 the anti-Christian bigot Black Colored negro ass faggot jerk is going to have is throat sliced up as he pisses into his breathing hole
nakedBison69 2 years ago
@nakedBison69 you is abitch
abigotschild07 2 years ago
abigotschild07 is a Black jerk
nakedBison69 2 years ago
@DURound fuck you
abigotschild07 2 years ago
@nakedBison69 eat a dick
abigotschild07 2 years ago
abigotschild07 sucks Obama's Black dick
nakedBison69 2 years ago
@DURound is a bitch for that nigga you must not heard jiddu message or you even mite be a christain so its cleary that you been condition to be a bitch fucking whore fight me
abigotschild07 2 years ago
abigotschild07 is an anti-Christian bigot Black Colored Negro bitch fucking whore nigga
nakedBison69 2 years ago
@DURound
JazzyKat2009 1 year ago
@JazzyKat2009 Hi.
DURound 1 year ago
Life and death travels hand in hand. In this present moment, we are living but the cells in our body are slowly dying. We do our best to preserve life but the truth is we will all die in let say 100 years from now. Why live within a state of conflict and trick ourselves out of death. The truth is nobody can. Live a peaceful life like me, accept death. X_X
teo829 2 years ago
Life and death are not a pair.
Birth and death are a pair in Time.
Life and Love are an Eternal Couple.
arbresistance 2 years ago
The outward manifestations of the body and mind are always in a constant state of flux, without anything "permanent" in the process. The very fear of death is irrational and arises out of the idea that there is in fact some permanent entity within oneself - it is a longing for a continuum of that which does not exist. Death is not some phenomenon that occurs at the end of life, but in fact, life and death are already happening together within oneself simultaneously. Such is the nature of change
Amirmourad 2 years ago 10
@Amirmourad death is a phenomenon actually, it is inevitable and so is life.
gmee1 1 year ago
@gmee1
It is inevitable, but unless one has investigated into it thoroughly, one will have all kinds of short-sighted conclusions as to what death is. And in fact, there is no such thing as death in the sense of a true coming to an end, but only a continuity of energy in a different form. It is simply a kind of transition. But certainly, you are bound to cling to all kinds of ideas, both about life and death, not understanding that to see into life and death, you will need a holistic vision.
Amirmourad 1 year ago
@Amirmourad Sure, the energy is transitioned into other things. For example we could be gound up and fed to pigs who may then sustain themselves on our energy. This is basic science.
I cannot accept this as a solution as I would feel as if I was stepping back from the experience of what it means to be human, and intellectualizing about what happens to the matter, seems to me to be a futile attempt to save my psyche from the truth.
SoulEyeDigitalMusic 11 months ago
@Amirmourad can i ask you something?is it good killing
MyDenis0 8 months ago
@MyDenis0
What is "good" and "bad", "right" and "wrong", are just the relative likes and dislikes of the mind. That which you like, naturally you think it is good. That which you dislike, naturally you think it is bad.
Actions have no quality in themselves, it is the state of awareness which is flowing beneath the action which determines it's quality. If you are killing out of violence, then it not "good" or "bad", it simply creates more suffering - both for yourself and others.
Amirmourad 8 months ago
@Amirmourad what do you mean killing out of violence?
MyDenis0 8 months ago
@MyDenis0 rather than out of personal protection but for an ideational purpose....i assume
thecrystalkid 7 months ago
@thecrystalkid sorry im not good in english what does mean ideational.
MyDenis0 7 months ago
THE BEAST
62366532 2 years ago
Dont affraid from death, because nothing is in our hand.........
vasukidada 2 years ago
Death is the achievement of ultimate perfection, for only that which is perfect wants to die.
MSJ11 2 years ago
don't confuse enlightenment with intelligence. enlightenment is only a concept, there is no such creature. those who claim to be enlightened are deceiving themselves. there is no magic wand of all knowing and all seeing. everyone, including Krishnamurti, makes mistakes and has human foibles. the
altered state spoken of by K was a different experience, it was not a mental realization, that aspect is the purpose of the teaching. the benediction he spoke of is beyond all thought or words.
jafomab 2 years ago
when you see the mental error, that is the end of it. that is it's death. when you really see your own wrong thinking, it leaves you forever. that is the beauty of meditation, that wonderful freedom of mind that follows the opening up of a once tethered mental process.
jafomab 2 years ago
the ending of thought is the result of seeing when you are acting in a pattern.
this 'death' is a sloughing away of the encrusted memory residue of daily experience.
that pattern of thinking is conditioning, a conditioned response to something that
you failed to confront or were unable to understand completely, so you
reacted in a mediocre fashion that allowed you to escape the situation which was disturbing or boring, ect.
jafomab 2 years ago 7
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The incapacity to accept separation from the Mother which confers individual life on all organisms, the incapacity of the human species to die, and therefore to live begins at birth, in the birth trauma. This is grounded in the biology of prolonged infancy, and its social correlate, the human family.
MSJ11 2 years ago
The incapacity to die throws mankind out of the actuality of living, which for all animals is the same as dying. The result is denial of life (repression) and this causes mortality.
This war against death results in the dominion of death in life and it takes the form of a preoccupation with the past and the future in which the present is lost.
MSJ11 2 years ago
morbidity, not mortality, oops
MSJ11 2 years ago
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MSJ11 2 years ago
I don't think he was pretending...
poeavor 2 years ago
love is death, life is love, death is life.....we are all one, infinite conciousness, nothing really exists....
See I can do it too :)
But what does it mean lol
paddymourinho 2 years ago
what is it that you are doing?...
poeavor 2 years ago
pretending to be enlightened :)
paddymourinho 2 years ago
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J. Krishnamurti is such a jackass.
If we knew " how to live " then we wouldn't be seeking your ass for wisdom.
This ass Krishnamurti can't seem to give a straight answer.
His philosophy is base on complicating shit.
iRebellionz 2 years ago
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iRebellionz 2 years ago
the other observation i found useful from K was the way we are so conditioned to react to questions from him or authority like frightened rabbits, we go absolutely crazy trying produce an answer, and fudge anything to do so. we are never able to admit that WE DON'T KNOW a particular thing. that simple realization began my own change from being a K reader to actually living it. realize that you really just don't know this or that... and also, for this to work, as he said, EXPERIMENT with it.
jafomab 2 years ago
he means death of thoughts not physical death. "thought is your enemy" as he said is this: we need thought to function in time, to remember, to act, to plan, to live...but the price of associative thought is that it creates false time as psychological time which entrapts you in maya. memories are only chemicals, not real things, therefore maya. to escape thought's cage, you must let it wither on the vine.
jafomab 3 years ago
thought (memory) acts in a "circle' which creates the center, which is YOU as ms. or mr. watch this movement and question it. watch yourself nonverbally in daily interaction. the only real time is chronological, tick tock, tick tock. mental time is a lie derived from memory. that's why gradual mental change is a lie also. when you see the falsity of the thing, you change INSTANTLY. no time is ever involved in real change. if so, congrats, your brain has just reorganized itself there.
jafomab 3 years ago
Your comments were very insightful. A very rare thing, on youtube anyways. Some have the appearance of genuine understanding, but I can always sense a "clinging" to thought, or an attempt to have "it" figured out. Thank you.
CptCrash21 2 years ago
thank you. i have wanted a discussion with like minded people for years but never could find anything on the web for talking about Krisnamurti. so this is one place where we can talk about the teaching.
jafomab 2 years ago
right i mostly agree most people respond with from an egotistical standpoint.. a need to express themselves rather than just allowing truth .. because truth just is.. no right or wrong.. no need to further analyze and pick apart.. and the fact is all of this we speak is universal knowledge available to those who are paying attention.
gotcharobbie1111 2 years ago
Very intelligent, wise man. I always get very inspired. His teachings are great but completely useless. You will not change or get happy or enlightend by listening to his talks. It's what he says; feel, think it over yourself, don'g get attached! Be a guru to yourself, K was the spaeking mirror you look in.
jimimurti 3 years ago
accepting life certainly difficult at this period of my existence. i see and hear about death as a everyday comment with ease. accepting death or to be killed is the question of this new era of existence . to completely kill yourself to understand love is a evolution requires no revolution.
leafnspace 3 years ago
R.i.p Krishnamurti
Aaron01f 3 years ago
Right, ask your pastor, don't ask yourself, that's exactly what he attacks. No Sir, to be a Christian doesn't mean to shift your responsibility for the whole of living to your pastor and your church! Read your Gospel again and see how the Master Jesus defines personal responsibility! Then you will see that what K is saying is exactly the same. We Are Humanity!
ipublica 3 years ago
....PERFECT SENSE. THIS MAN WAS GREAT
yianki1020 3 years ago
Book: "The Third Basic Instinct"
legrandduvivier 3 years ago
K's life was wrapped in cotton:-)
His philosophy is beautiful. However, it is not practical. When you face with the Dark Lord, all you need is the Mercy of The Almighty. I am speaking from my experiences.
I studied K. for 5 years, reading all of his books. But, i can't go very far. I love K though. Very beautiful Being.
kakanhaha 3 years ago
I wish he were here... I guess he is...
UnderstandHim 3 years ago 4
@UnderstandHim
NO he is dead
nasafakedit 1 year ago
nasafakedit is dead
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@nakedBison69 is BRAIN DEAD
nasafakedit 1 year ago
nasafakedit is BRAIN DEAD
nakedBison69 1 year ago
@UnderstandHim
JK is dead, he is dust
nasafakedit 1 year ago
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He sounds like Stewie from Family Guy :)
drrrerr 3 years ago
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his statements are too arbitrary and vague. his accent makes him sound old and wise but there is no practical application for what he is rambling about. unintelligent people are captivated by his seemingly enlightened rambling but there is not one solution too any real world problem within this giberish.
cizarsosay 3 years ago
No practical application? That is an interesting assertion. I mean, it is incorrect but certainly interesting.
Yuri92001 3 years ago
This is about a stupid comment.
sellis79 3 years ago
Ah pointing out a comment is stupid...though forgive me if I don't automatically deem it as such simply because you said it.....lol bless you.
Yuri92001 3 years ago
oops I read it incorrectly...this is about...I swear that word popped in. in anycase. cizar's comment is not about a stupid comment....he is directly referring ot the video.
Yuri92001 3 years ago
shure is right
ieplaan 3 years ago
all african americans should see this because we are a fucked up race of people there I said it so the racist wont have to
zellacurry 4 years ago
haha :) welcome back to this video after half a year.funny comment with which I agree unfortunately.But love and progress will heal the wounds of the past.R.
UnderstandHim 3 years ago 2
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He sounds like Stewie from Family Guy :)
BlipSkip 4 years ago
I don't know what in the world is K talking about!!!!!!!!! Much as one gives so much value in his life, rather then his own.
dan020350 4 years ago
his eyes only tell everything i need to know:)
luftspiegelung 4 years ago 4
real charisma, much respect to this man^^
luftspiegelung 4 years ago
Religion is evil. Read the discourse between artmanack and the 2 Christians. Are you surprised we are in war? This is what religion brings; conflict. Who cares who's right or wrong. Go your own path and leave each other alone. Whatever you do, say, think, etc. you do it to yourself and nothing else. Don't argue anymore. Don't divide. Just let it be, which I should have done by the way. Peace to you all.
nonexist 4 years ago 2
No one is arguing...it was a good natured discourse, the problem here is there is no intonation...
shysopyro 4 years ago
He is talking about is the true meaning of SHIVA. It means a total living after the death of the "I".
Have I understood it correct? I hope it's not an intelectual, rational understanding but a factual realization.
Great video!
satishsh 4 years ago
Ah dayı...bi de anlasam ne anlatmaya çalıştığını...erecem valla da...bakma gari...her bir kitabını da okudum ya...Allah sonumu hayır etsin artık...hadi rahat uyu sen kabrinde...olur gideriz biz be hocam
Ramadhana 4 years ago
Why do you guys keep attaching yourselves to Krishnamurti's videos? What is it about K that causes you guys to feel a need to voice your trivia here?..
artmanack 4 years ago
We have been given a clear mission in life. We love people and seek the lost. That is why I am writing to you.
flyingarch1 4 years ago
artmanack, it sounds a bit grotesque, that precisely YOU talk about " modesty " here - why don´t you start with it yourself ? as to the other gent : yes yes, we are all sinners who deserve HELL ...rubbish! bertrand russel said convincingly: " all my sins deserve me maybe a week in hell - not more" so stop all this masochism, ladies & gents and let´s get down to business!
gantock 4 years ago
The bible, The bible, The bible . I am sorry my friend but is all LIES! Thank God
vanvoj 4 years ago
One evidence of the value of the bible is the character of those who oppose it. Are you saying the writen word of God is manufactured and distorted? I hope God listens to my prayers for you.
dmarvin811 4 years ago
artmanack, thanks for your observation!what alan watts has once said: "the war is inside THE SOULS"....so many insults, so little tolerance, such a readines to attack and jump to the throats of each other! and all in the " name " of religion, science, and even spirituality. I dont believe we are " renegades " of the universe, but one can start doubting it, reading all this eagerness to hurt, deny and attack. but then: lastly, they hurt THEMSELVES ...
gantock 4 years ago
I am pleased that you should feel anything I have to say here has a value. I really though wonder if this kind of dialogue does have value when one encounters such narrow mindedness. My concern is that this medium becomes a shouting match where the loudest voice gets heard above those of us who prefer to be modest in our approach to these matters.
artmanack 4 years ago
I am a modest person in the sense that I don't regard my point of view as being any more valid than the next. As I have said this conversation has been hijacked by a narrow minded person whose aim it seems is to promote the bible. His approach does himself and the bible no good. So you now have stuck your oar in and seem just as rude, Why get personal it's so silly and spoils meaningful dialogue.
artmanack 4 years ago
If you read what I have said through the course of these conversation you will see that I have been balanced. I have been flexible and approachable unlike Mr Marvin whose views are inflexible and quite typical of the born again kind that I have encountered elsewhere. I was thinking last night why I engaged in a dialogue with a man who doesn't speak but shouts. Meaningful dialogue requires good natured openess and I don't see that much on display here.
artmanack 4 years ago
I want to point out that I don't deny the existance of god and I never have. I much prefer to say I don't know and enquire into these matters. If one lives in absolutes then there's no enquiry. Krishnamurti encouraged doubt as a healthy means of enquiry. He encouraged people to doubt even his own words, to "go into it", what could be more wonderful than that?
artmanack 4 years ago
Does God exist? (God, not god) Did Jesus Christ live, was he crucified, and was he resurrected? Those are the questions upon which each of us stakes his/her eternity. Krishnamurti is correct that our lives must be filled with love, but he doesn't have any answers.
flyingarch1 4 years ago
I prefer god with a small g! My feeling is that christianity (small c) has narrowed down the idea of resurrection and turned it into something trivail, made it a small thing. I have no interest in eternity there's sufficient in the moment to keep me more than happily occupied. Best I think to meet death when it happens with an open mind and an open heart, not in a closed way. If there's something beyond great if not then fine, for now I don't much care.
artmanack 4 years ago
Please ask yourself: 1. Resurrection is victory over death. How can that be trivial? 2. Will I gamble my eternity on the hope that there is no Hell? I love you. I know Jesus Christ personally because He lives not just in my heart, but in my life. He makes things happen. Please don't miss your chance.
flyingarch1 4 years ago 2
"victory over death" you make it sound like a battle. I have no fear of death whatsoever, none at all and I certainly don't see it as something to be victorious over. If there is something beyond death it trandscends your narrow view of it sir. How dare you suggest that I should think like you..I thank my lucky stars I was never baptized and never conditioned or coerced into believing in anything that requires faith.
artmanack 4 years ago
Why do you presume my belief is due to early indoctrination? I used to think exactly like you. It was not until I was 44 years old that God showed me His reality. By the way, you should fear death, because it is a battle. The existence of Satan can be seen every day on the news and right now you belong to him.
flyingarch1 4 years ago