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No one really knows what happened with the magic bullet, who killed JFK, and why. The FBI has a document filled with info about that day, it was info that was not released in public. They have it in a safe and will open in 2022
This isn't an issue of forensics...it's an issue of why. Put this all together...America has been run by money since this country was founded. Certain families OWN the money that runs America. Politicians are selected and put into positions of power because of their intimate ties to these families. President Kennedy was no exception. However, he didn't agree with the grand scheme and spoke out against it. Plus, with the amount of influence he had, he could have really fucked up their plan...
he was the lone shooter without doubt , whether others helped in the planning that will never be known . I just wish this case made it to trial as I would love to have known LHO's reason for fleeing the scene ! (kinda dodgy for an innocent man don't you think!, or did he normally go to the movies in his lunch break?), . In fact if any conspiracy fans could tell me that would be great .
@stevepwnz presumably your theory about why he went to the theatre like all LNs is that he went there to hide ? so why does one intending to duck into a dark theatre to hide go and sit by one person and then another person practicaly sitting next to all the theatres patrons drawing a lot of attention to himself ? this is not the action of a man trying to hide .however the theater is just where oswald was arrested and not where the killings occured and thats where all the evidence is .
Oswald had no particular plan plan beyond killing the president. So he was obviously improvisating (?) . The dallas theater was not far from the murder scene.
@captainkavern exatly how do we know what plan he may have had? ,.it makes no sense that a man supposedly looking for a dark place to hide untill the heat dies down would keep moving from seat to seat sitting next to all most every patron in there. this is not the action of a person trying to hide as he is drawing unwanted attention to himself .
First Oswald was not moving from seat to seat. just prior the police arrived they put on the light then Oswald stood up and walked but went back to his seat. so you are making conclusions about false informations. Plus Oswald was supposed to be at work at that time of the day. What was he doing here if it was'nt to escape after kiling the president and a policeman?
@captainkavern information isnt just false because you say it is ,i have a witness who saw oswald move from seat to seat and it would have been difficult to miss as the theatre hadnt many patrons in it.a group of tsbd staff had asked if there would be any more work that day and were told it was unlikely and given the circumstances it wouldnt be unreasonable for any staff member to think there wouldnt be any more work that day .
Well I don't know where you take your informations from. I take them from testimonies of the people that where involved. concerning Oswald's arrest i read Calvin brewer's warren comission testimony and the officer who arrested Oswald. I don't know who is the witness you have. But a lot of people tried to draw attention on them by telling crazy and often falses stories...
@captainkavern "Well I don't know where you take your informations from. I take them from testimonies of the people that where involved"
you dont consider the theatre patrons /staff witnesses ? ,also a lot of witnesses were never called to give testimony and not being called does not mean there story is any less valid.
Well I would love to hear their stories. what I am saying is that the only available testimony I have if from the people I told you about. The problem with that case , is that If you have a group of ten people hearing shots, you will ignore the 8 who said they heard 3, and focus to the 2 who said they heard more...it is not the best way to conduct an investigation...
@captainkavern "The problem with that case , is that If you have a group of ten people hearing shots, you will ignore the 8 who said they heard 3, and focus to the 2 who said they heard more...it is not the best way to conduct an investigation.."
and exactly what do you base that false assumption on ? exactly what do you know about my methods of investigation and research? ,your making false assumptions and stating them as fact .
@captainkavern i didnt say i didnt think it was suspicious i said i dont think its unreasonable for people to assume there wouldnt be any more work that day under the circumstances .but that oswald reacted in the manner in which he did is suspicious .
@fobrien1 When the police closed the building, everybody was there but Oswald. Since it was the building where the shot came from, it is normal to consider oswald abscence as suspicious. He was supposed to be there at that time!
@captainkavern "When the police closed the building, everybody was there but Oswald"
thats absolutely untrue ,other people besides oswald were not in the building in fact givens wasnt located untill after oswald was arrested .as i said i agree its suspicious that oswald reacted the way he did in the theatre and so is the fact he was there in the first place .but suspicious as it may look that doesnt prove he shot anyone .
Oswald worked in the building where the shot came from. NO ONE knows what he was doing at the exact time of the shooting. He left work although he was not supposed to do so. He went home and the somehow got involved in the shooting of a policeman. Then he is arrested in a theater carying a gun. That the rifle found at the murder scene happens to be oswald's. The bullet found in connaly and the president match with that weapon...and you think he has nothing to do with it?
@captainkavern no offence if your going to reply to comments perhaps you should carefully read them first .i said atleast one theatre witness saw oswald move from seat to seat you dismissed that simply because the warren commission didnt speak to the patrons but do you know people were in dealey /on elm and houston and were never spoken to either ,by your logic that means what they had to say isnt to be relied upon because (through no fault of their own ) its not on record .---------------
@captainkavern you say the only person missing was oswald by your logic that means he must be guilty ,but i pointed out that oswald wasnt the only person missing but seems to not matter .yes oswald was in the building so he must be considered a suspect however witnesses did see him at various times between about 11.50 and atleast 12.15 all on lower floors .either your not aware of this or you want to ignore it . bonny ray williams was on the 6th floor --------------------------
@captainkavern no more than 12 feet from the so called snipers nest between 12.00 and a little after 12.20 he never saw or heard oswald ,at 12.15 arnold rowland saw a negro leaning out of the so called snipers nest window that means oswald cant have been in there at that time as the warren commission said .and before you say he saw jarmin/norman they were provably still down on elm at that time and would be there for about 10 minutes more .-----------------------
@captainkavern if oswald is the shooter he has to go down 4 flights of stairs and cross 4 landings ,no more than 30 seconds after the shots dorothy garner was standing on the 4th floor landing she had to see oswald come down she didnt but she saw baker and trully come up . the warren commission established a minimal 74 seconds for oswald to reach the second floor , of this about 40 seconds is on the 6th floor ------------------------------------
@captainkavern that means it takes about 10 seconds for each stairs and landing ,this means oswald couldnt have been crossing the 4th floor landing untill almost a minute after the shots yet garner never saw him .2 other witnesses wh were with garner victoria adams and sandra styles ran down stairs 30 seconds or so after the shots and never saw or heard oswald on the stairs . so when and how did oswald go down ? did he get scotty to beam him down ?.
@captainkavern the tippit shooting is riddled with problems ,the combination of bullets from tippit are a different combination to the shells ,the bullets were never matched to the gun ,there is serious chain of evidence issues with the shells . helen markham the wc star witness gave 2 descriptions of the shooter neither matching oswald ,benavides never identified oswald ,scoggins id is weak and the line ups were little more than rigged ,warren reynolds couldnt id the man he saw -------------
@captainkavern running ,he gets shot in the head and he becomes positive its oswald .frank wright and virginia davis both said the man wore a black or dark coat the coat in the archives is a very light tan .barbara davis said the person she saw was a boy and markham told agent odum the shooter was about 18 with black hair .most witnesses only said oswald was the person most resembling the person they saw but thats explained when reading about the line ups .-------------------------------------
@captainkavern the money order for the rifle was bought and posted at a time when oswald was provably in work ,there is no evidence that oswald recieved a rifle at his po box in fact the evidence that is their refutes that he did ,the only thing linking oswald to the rifle is an id card in his wallet with the name a hiddell on it .ce399 is refuted by the commissions own expert witnesses ,but also neither tomlinson (who found it ) and wright who he showed it to identified ---------------
@captainkavern it as the bullet they saw ,in fact wright (who had worked for the dpd )said the bullet was pointed .connally himself said the bullet (or what was left of it ) fell from his leg onto the floor of the trauma room and the nurse picked it up and put in her pocket .the commission had test bullets fired at animal rib and human wrists none of these bullets even resemble the near pristine condition of ce399 .
on page 1356 of the WCR it states "Mr Oswald left the TSBD and returned to his boarding house where he had anal sex with Mrs Roberts. He then smoked a cigarette and decided to walk over to the movies. He was stopped by Officer J D Tippit and questioned whereupon Mrs Roberts ran up behind the officer and blew him away. Mr Oswald panicked and fled, eventually ducking into a theater to avoid the commotion of police sirens outside."
Mr Oswald was protecting Mrs Roberts. He was her hero
@CrAcKeRsNbEaNs Yea? What proof do you have to offer that he was "framed"? His prints are on the rifle. He carried a large package into the building with him that day, and then lied to the police about it. He lied and claimed he was eating lunch w/ co workers. The list goes on and on.
@IwshIcldstrtover his prints were only found on the rifle after he died ,the fbi didnt find any prints on the rifle when they checked it late on the night of 22/11/63. no witness saw oswald with the package in the building ,in fact dougherty who saw oswald walk in the door said he was positive oswald had no package ,we must remember this is a 3 feet long by 6inch wide by about 2 inch deep package how could dougherty not see such a large package ?.
@fobrien1 Frazier saw Oswald with the package, enter the building. Frazier's sister saw Oswald with the package. You discount this? Read the book "First Day Evidence" by Gary Savage. Photographs taken of the rifle before the FBI handled it, reveal Oswald's prints on the trigger housing. Do you really think Dougherty impeaches their testimony? I don't.
@IwshIcldstrtover your talking about whats in a book and im talking about testimony and evidence . dougherty was sat on a table and saw oswald walk in the door and he was positive that oswald had no package and thats in his testimony ,but you seem to accept only testimony which tends to point to oswald being guilty while dismissing other testimony . when the fbi checked the rifle they found no prints that could be identified as oswalds .
@fobrien1 Im talking about the book full of Dallas Police evidence that was untouched by others. You are talking about evidence that was touched by others( FBI) AFTER the DPD photographed the rifle while in their possession. By the time the rifle reached Washington, naturally the fingerprints were smudged. However, there were fibers from the blanket and Oswald's shirt found on the rifle. Dougherty first stated that he only saw Oswald "out of the corner of my eye".
@IwshIcldstrtover "Dougherty first stated that he only saw Oswald "out of the corner of my eye".
thats kind of my point about considering all the evidence and not just the bits that suit . you cherry picked 6 words from a whole testimony ,why not post the relevant section where he was asked if he saw a package ? .
@IwshIcldstrtover Mr. BALL - Now, is that a very definite impression that you saw him that morning when he came to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, oh--it's like this--I'll try to explain it to you this way--- you see, I was sitting on the wrapping table and when he came in the door, I just caught him out of the corner of my eye---that's the reason why I said it that way.
@IwshIcldstrtover did any of these fellows he was talking about see oswald carry a package the morning of 22/11/63 ? ,dougherty saw oswald and said he was positive he had no package ,bill shelly said oswald was at work when he first saw him that day so he saw no large package .who are these fellows who saw oswald with a large package ?. your simply talking about tsbd staff gossiping the next day about what happened .no tsbd witness other than frazier mentioned a package.
@fobrien1 No, I'm not "simply talking about tsbd staff gossiping the next day about what happened". I am providing you with further testimony by the same witness you used to try to prove that Oswald didn't have a package when he entered the building. He says differently.
@IwshIcldstrtover i think your misinterpreting that part of the testimony ,dougherty said he saw no package large or small thats a given ,he said it its in his testimony . now as regards dougherty speaking about other staff possibly seeing oswald with a package (when did these people see the package ?) and (who are these people ) you mentioned shelly but he makes no mention of seeing oswald with a package that day (what kind of package was seen ? )
@IwshIcldstrtover in doughertys testimony he didnt retract his statment about not seeing a oswald with a package (i feel you think that was what he was doing he wasnt and didnt ) he was saying the after the shooting the guys were talking including shelly and some said they saw oswald with a package (but when did the see him ?) certainly not on 22/11/63 unless you believe he was reffering to fraizier as one of these men .
@IwshIcldstrtover what we need is the section of testimony where shelly or any other member of staff says they saw oswald with a package on 22/11/63 other than frazier that is ,that would establish who this group of people were and what they said they saw . they clearly didnt tell the police/fbi/warren commission they saw oswald with a large package as if they had they would surely have been one of the star witnesses .
@IwshIcldstrtover do you not wonder how a man assembled the broken down carcano and only leaves a partial palm print and a partial finger print ,the same applies to the paper package that he supposedly made and carried the rifle in ,a partial palm print and one finger print . by the way did you check fritz/bookhouts notes ?do you see a claim by oswald that he ate with jarmin ? of course you wont see it because he didnt say it .
@IwshIcldstrtover "Do you really think Dougherty impeaches their testimony? I don't."
in order to get at the truth we must consider all evidence and testimony and not just that which may tend to help your case . i guess if its your contention that oswald is guilty (and you refuse to be swayed on that ) then i suppose your correct dougherty wont impeach frazier ,but perhaps frazier himself impeaches frazier .
@IwshIcldstrtover "He lied and claimed he was eating lunch w/ co workers"
if you got that inaccurate fact from reclaiming history you need to look at fritz/bookhout and hostys interrogation notes (these are the only record of what oswald said ) they clearly state oswald said he ate alone and that he saw 2 negros walk in never did he claim he ate with jarmin or anyone . you can see the notes online google fritz notes .
@IwshIcldstrtover and how do u know that is a fact. i dont know if he was or not but in a year of studying the illuminati the answer seems clear. Also you know what happend to jack ruby who killed lee? he went to jail for a short time and said he wasnt gunna survive because insidious forces hired him to kill oswald. but shortly after ruby died of "cancer"
@CrAcKeRsNbEaNs But, during Ruby's death bed interview, and other times Ruby was asked, he stated that all the things said about knowing Oswald was pure fabrication.
No one seems to notice that as soon as Oswald makes a claim that he is innocent, he looks suddenly looks away from whomever he is speaking. This is an obvious sign that he is lying. Lying people can't look people they are lying to, in the eye. He does this on several occasions.
@IwshIcldstrtover it wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that numerous people are asking him questions and that he is looking at the person who asked the next question .we cant decide a persons guilt from one photo or video only on the evidence .
By the way, in this intervew he says he's arrested becaused he lived in soviet union. This is a complete lie. We all know he was in custody because he was supected of killing a cop. he didn't say "I am a victim of a conspiracy, i am a just a patsy" he said "they're taking me in because i lived in the soviet union, i am just a patsy" big difference. Plus, he's mother , brother and wife saw and talked to him while in custody, he never said anything about being a victim of any conspiration..
Oswald was a CIA puppet a front man to take the heat his story does not make sense. JFK was killed because he wanted to end the fed and did not agree with American imperialism.
@captainkavern uhh kennedy opposed the vietnam war and wanted to lower the power of the CIA after they came up with a plan (operation northwoods) to attack cuba. and he wanted to rid of the federal reserve, so they killed him.
Please watch the interviews of jfk for CBS and NBC a few weeks before he died. He was talking about vietnam saying "we are here to stay , i know people don't like to see us involved in vietnam but it will be a long struggle", he talked about staying in vietnam the very morning of his death in 2 speeches!!! Bobby Kennedy in 1964 was asked if his brother had any intention of pulling out of vietnam . He said "NO".all this can be easily found on youtube. Or the web.
The Warren Commission and people like Gerald Posner claimed that one of the reasons Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy was because he yearned to become someone important. He wanted to be historically important. That argument makes no sense at all as this footage shows. That argument is still used by some today.
well if you listen to the 2 radio interview he gave the summer before the assassination about his organisation Fair Play for cuba commity, you would see that : he was very self confident the way he spoke.
he lied several times (the radio host had him tell the truth about russia, that he did not metion in the previous interview), he lied about the members of his organisation (he was the only member). that doesn't make him guilty of murder but a liar, definitely.
@captainkavern It would make sense that he lied if he were working in some capacity for American intelligence. Why did he try to get into Cuba after he had just returned from the Soviet Union in 1962? Why dod he go to Mexico City to try to get a visa to get into Cuba. He was adamant acccording to the people working in the embassy in Mexico. Maybe almost as adamant as he was about getting Soviet citizenship back in 1959. It all doesn't make sense. At least the official story.
i think he didn't do it, lee harvey oswald story i beileve was a cover-up and the u.s. federal government did the killing of Kennedy because of his speech on how the american government is corrupt and go ahead dislike this comment, spam this comment, remove this comment, respond to this comment saying that i'm so wrong, but it's the truth and it will set you free
@zeroskatr11 yeah it will, if you keep beileving lies then you'll be enslaved and your owners will make you think your free when your enslaved but knowing the truth will make you free
@zeroskatr11 how is that funny? it's very serouis, if you believe everything the owners of this country say then they'll tell you all these lies and enslave you, they will control your life without you knowing it. this country is actually more of a communist country, in publicy this is a free country, in secrecy, this is a dictatorship, communist country.
@TheWill211187 I agree with you! How many so called lone assasins in history claimed to be a patsy! None that I know of. He never got a chance to tell his story!
The truthh is that in school the government goes through the books and chane all the stuff they want to hide from us because they think were corrup andd we will do something about it. So evrything that is said in our history class may be a lie since the teachers jusst show us fake lies and a bunch of bullshit.
The gov't has told them to keep the truth from getting to our hands but I mean they are the ones who are stupid since they are lying to themselfes end of story the gov't does what they want they think they can do watever they want I mean they can but its just wrong .
you want proof of conspiracy? look at the nix footage (opposite angle from zapruder). limo slows to a near stop right at the critical moment. now why do you suppose THAT happened? coincidence?
the reporter's question what either "Did you shoot the president?" or "Did you kill the president?" and his response is "I work in that building". Sounds guilty to me. Why wouldn't he not just say "NO" but "HELL NO!". Sounds likes he knows the shots came from "that building".
@abennett4 But Benavides described the back of Oswald's head differently. And both were never taken to a police line up. A year later his brother, who apparently looked just like him, was shot in the back of the head. Now I will agree when you say it was probably just a random shooting however, his father in law then opened his own investigation and was killed 2 weeks later. Too much of a coincidence for me. As for these tests the Army conducted....
Also how come there were no records made of the interrogation. Without records nothing is admissible in court. Do I think Oswald killed Kennedy? Absolutely. Did he do it alone? Most likely not. Especially with all the enemies Kennedy had made from groups and organizations in America and other countries. Just too much doesn't make sense. But I have a solution..... blame Bush.
Here are my questions regarding Oswald. Why after defecting to the Soviet Union during the Cold War was he allowed to return to America (this was treason) and obtain a job making maps for the US Army. This requires a Top Secret security clearance and they don't take that one lightly like they do for a Secret. Why was Oswald first charged with the murder of JD Tippit.. Why was he not charged with the president's murder until shortly before he was killed?
@mykelkashy There was a lot more evidence, at first, that Oswald had murdered Tippit. Nine eye witnesses, for example, id’ed Oswald as the killer . Naturally, authorities were much more cautious about charging Oswald with killing the president. The evidence did, within a reasonable amount of time, point to Oswald’s complicity in the assassination. And why would Oswald be shooting a policeman in cold blood if he hadn’t (45 minutes before) shot Kennedy?
@abennett4 I will absolutely agree with you with there being more evidence to him killing Tippit. However (going by the Warren Commission official Report) it would appear that they were just trying to pin that on him as well. There were only two eye witnesses to the shooting.Helen Markham and Domingo Benavides. Helen Markham's testimony was garbage and I agree with them there. However Benavides said he had a very good view of the Tippit's killer and said "he looked like Oswald".
@mykelkashy I can't agree with you on the number of witnesses to Tippit's shooting. However, combine how ever number of witnesses with the fact of Oswald then being traced to that movie theatre where he was apprended with the pistol that was used to kill Tippit and you have your killer. And besides, why did Oswald flee across town after the assasination? Sounds to me that he went "blood simple". It was his own example of the OJ Bronco chase. Something a guilty person whould do.
@abennett4 Please, you must be more intelligent than to think that Oswald having worked in the building was not a "setup", that in itself a top the station chief (Sr. Bush) being there. lBJ. clears Oswald... you would be surprised just how often these types of events take place in each presidential cycle. it is like 9-11. various ops that get out of control. no one not even the players know if it's real or fake even when real.
The cops killed tippit. too obvious. he would have talked~!
@wingedlightning There is no *credible* evidence of a conspiracy (let alone one involving Bush Sr or LBJ) in the Kennedy assassination. 48 years later and not a whiff. There were 12 witnesses to the Tippit murder and its immediate aftermath. Six positively identified Oswald in police line ups. And don't even waste your breath over 9/11. You imagination is running wild.
@abennett4 In response to your 1st paragraph, yes I agree Lessor did fit the profile as a potential assassin. However, he did not fit the profile as JFK's killer there is a difference....
2nd after 48 years there is a ton of evidence against Bush Sr. & LBJ and the f.b.I. the c.I.a. in connection with the conspiracy that setup Oswald and killed JFK.
@wingedlightning First of all, who is Lessor? Secondly, why don't you cite just a smidgen of this evidence linking Bush, LBJ, the CIA and the FBI to the assassination so I know where you're coming from?
@abennett4 Typo... My tablet keystroke error... I meant Oswald.
As for citations indicating these people Bush is in photos taken the time of the assassination... He was not a fan wishing happy if that's your response(he was a registered republican).
Eyewitnesses testimony on LBJ including Oswalds killer Jack Ruby are facts... The latter stated "if Adelaide Steven was V.P."... JFK would not have been assassinated.
@wingedlightning Huh? - So Bush being a registered Republican is evidence that he was involved in a conspiracy? And if Bush was involved in a conspiracy, he wouldn't have been anywhere near Dealey Plaza. Huh? - Ruby was an eyewitness to LBJ involvement in a conspiracy? Ruby also believed that millions of Jews were being murdered in the cells below him. He had gone insane and had nothing credible. Nothing you mention are facts. Just unsupported conjecture. Oswald... Alone...exclamation point!
@abennett4 3RD When criminals get it into their kind that they can get off Scott free they do it again and again.... Thus 9-11..... Funny how the same family's connections with the c.I.a. banks and zionists got away with 3000 innocent U.S. lives ..... There is like in the JFK conspiracy tons of evidence on 9&11 with cops, engineers, pilots all sacking the government/zionist medias version.....
The only people who believe in the gov/zionist propaganda are the UN American idiots.
@wingedlightning You seem to reach conclusions (e.g. "Thus 9-11") without any firm evidence (just suspicion). Therefore, from a strictly logical viewpoint, your arguments are fallacious. They seem to be simply spring out of nowhere based solely on a general mistrust of government .Your charges lack any specificity, so they are impossible to challenge. You overgeneralize to the extreme. Ad Hominem attacks also don't help. And, for the sake of argument, lets stick to JFK for the time being.
@abennett4 There are gangs inside of every police department or fraternities, clicks point is Tippit was a liability... so those within the know... got rid of him then planted the gun somehow... this is not unheard of in cases that afterwards are resolved as criminal cops that go to prison after having planted evidence including firearms~!
@abennett4 Furthermore, one only need analyze Oswald as a perfectly rational mind one which if he was the person responsible he would have gloated in pride with the act, instead he sees that he was setup and when having the 1st chance openly in front of the television cameras says " I am a patsy"... He did not do it...
Anyone that has any sort of basic college psychoanalysts course can see that he was not a fit for the action that took place, not to say that he did not have knowledge of the op.
@wingedlightning It is not uncommon for the guilty to profess their innocence. Oswald figured he would have plenty of time to gloat afterwards. Furthermore, if you have ever read a biography of Oswald (e.g. 'Marina and Lee' by Priscella Johnson McMillan) you would see he fit the assassin model similar to John Hinkley, Mark David Chapman, Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremmer, Leon Czolgosz, Charles J. Guiteau , Lynette Alice "Squeaky" Fromme, Sara Jane Moore and Jared Lee Loughter.
@wingedlightning Notice how remarkably calm he was considering the circumstances? I always thought it was because he was trained psychologically, as if it were part of some spy training. I wish I could remember where I saw it but two psychoanalysts saw footage of LHO and researched his life. They concluded the LHO did not fit the profile of an assassin.
@mykelkashy July 7,2011Regardless of who investigated that you don't trust or inaccuracies by witnesses, it doesn't explain LHO fucking off from the TSBD, going home, changing his clothing, taking a pistol with him, murdering Tippit and then going to a movie theater (just the thing to help you unwind after a long day of killing people) and then assaulting and attempting to then shoot one of the arresting officers. Everybody AVOIDS OR IGNORES explaining the theater because it's INDEFENSIBLE.
@BaronVonSchtupp88 But what does explain that? Why would he have wanted to murder a cop? How did Tippit come across him? So suspicious? The description of him they gave at that time could have matched almost half the man in Dallas. There is something more than meets the eye, something that just doesn't add up. LHO doesn't act like a nut or someone who wanted to go into history by killing the president. He does not fit the profile; why did he deny it if he indeed was proud of the killings?
@yeees123 If you read Bugliosi's book, it more than adequately explains how Tippit came upon him and why LHO killed him. If you read just the bio of LHO in the book, you'll see just what kind of person he was (you can judge for yourself whether he's crazy, mentally disturbed, quirky or just not normal in some ways). He doesn't fit the profile because apparently you really don't know much about him. When you read the book it will all add up. He hated the US and tried to move to Cuba; that's crazy
From what I have researched, his childhood hero was Herbert Philbrick, who was communism hating undercover agent pretending to be a communistic nut. Also his so called devotion to communism seems cookie, always seemed fake to me somehow. Thank you for your suggestion! Obe thing though: If he wanted to go to Cuba so bad, why did he leave his riffle in the TSBD along with shellcasings for everyone to find if he had planned the assassination so carefully?
@yeees123 He was a fan of the TV show "I Led Three Lives", not the same thing as Philbrick being any sort of hero to him. When interviewed by Capt. Fritz, who asked if he was a Communist, he replied he was a Marxist. I have Bugliosi's book in front of me and I'll probably regret saying that because now people will want the Cliff Notes version of any long,drawn out argument or question about why LHO did this thing or that thing. He hid the rifle before fleeing; he couldn't leave the TSBD with it.
I have actually read some publishements by Vincent Bugliosi, I must say that he very conviniently slips over little sublte things that does not seem to add up and for me is too narrowly focusing on the idea of a lone nut rather then for searching for trueth. I am not a conspiracy theorist nor a lone nut activist, I just want the trueth. And my research have concluded one thing: too many aspects do not add up. Starting from forensic evidence, ending with organisations and people around it.
@yeees123 Refer to "Reclaiming History". In 1600+ pages, I don't see where he overlooks or slips up or focuses narrowly on important subjects. This case has hard evidence against LHO and foolish, deluded people who choose to ignore or decry that evidence by positing insipid ideas such as the autopsy photos, x-rays, LHO backyard photos and the Zapruder film all being faked or tampered with in some extravagant manner or by preposterous means are never going to or refuse to understand the truth.
@BaronVonSchtupp88 if people think they will get the truth about what happened on 22/11/63 from reading a book they are wrong (and deluded) ,if a book is written by a biased author the book itself will be biased case closed and reclaiming history are 2 such books . the unbiased truth can be found in the testimonies/affidavits/fbi reports and other documents if people care to look .
@abennett4 I definitely trust the Army even less than I trust the federal government. There is just too much wrong with the reports and the investigation for me. Even if there was video footage of Oswald shooting Kennedy the Warren Commission still lost a lot of credibility when they had Allen Dulles (who was fired from Kennedy) and J. Edgar Hoover (who was having a falling out) as part of the investigation. Doesn't make any sense. However, stranger things have happened.
@mykelkashy I worked with the Army as a summer intern in '78 and '79. I saw the footage. So far the Conspiracy Industry has everyone involved; FBI, CIA, the Mob, Dallas police, witnesses, the Paines, Maria Oswald, the press, Jack Ruby, the Army, the Navy, the Marines (not the Air Force, yet). It just could not happen; 50 years and no reliable evidence or witness. Most conspiracies are products of feverish fantacies. Real conspiracies are found out for the simple fact of people like to talk.
Lee Charming Oswald. You know, this is why I hate the age of open information and technology. It is so susceptible to manipulation by THE PEOPLE (a.k.a., whoever the media elite is currently backing). On the other hand, consider the alternatives: Officially sponsored internet with no googling. That sucks! Keep doin' that thang that you do so well!
@baronvonschtupp88 Yes I'm 18 you have said that twice. You're the one that is believing bullshit. I despise Oswald for being involved but there is no evidence that Oswald killed JFK. In America you are innocent until proven guilty but you are from Germany so you wouldn't understand that.
@xbound4gloryx You can NOT be serious. Answer the questions in the earlier post. what happened to the "curtain rods" he brought under a blanket to work that day? because it was the rifle he used to shoot the president. the same fifle that ballistics tests proved fired the shots that killed the president. the same rifle he was famously photographed with. why did oswald go back to his rooming house & get his pistol? why did oswald shoot officer tippit (nine wittnesses) NO evidence? Ha!
just the one you want to believe, oswald? lol why was no one able to find the curtain rods he brought under a blanket to work that day? because it was the rifle he used to shoot the president. the same fifle that ballistics tests proved fired the shots the killed the president. the same rifle he was famously photographed with. why did oswald go back to his rooming house & get his pistol? why did oswald shoot officer tippit (nine wittnesses)? because he was guilty. the one and only. use analysis.
@paramedicEmergency51 how come, after all these years, all these mob arrests, all theses mobsters have flipped for the government, not a single one has said oganized crime had anything to do with it. if ruby was out to silence oswald, why did no one silence ruby? because then whoever silenced ruby would need to be silenced, you say there's proof. there's no proof or even an inkling of proof. your just making stuff up or watched JFK (what a joke!) too many times.
@abennett4 several mobsters have claimed later on that kennedy's assassination was a conspiracy involving the mafia, see for example, salvatore bonanno, sam giancana, carlos marcello, jimmy hoffa etc
@debunker1905 The HSCA looked extensively into possible organized crime connections. Not only did they find nothing credible, they did not bother to mention it even once in their report
OK try this ... you stand with a baseball mit just in front of your nose ... i throw a ball as hard as i can at your hand .... according to the CIA theory of motion there is NO WAY your mit will come in contact with your face, and your hand will go foward NOT backwards. REALLY??? are Americans that dumb?...obiously they are... JFK was shot from the FRONT and his head followed the line of the bullet as it caught it. LOOK it is there for all to SEE
@squidau1999 Try this ; a bullet passing through you is not the same as being hit with a solid object. People in real life (unlike movies and T.V.) are NOT hurled backwards or forward by being shot from in front or behind them. The minute weight of the bullet compared to the human head will cause minimal movement. On the other hand a high-powered bullet hitting you from behind and spewing your brains out the front will cause that movement and the brains DID come out the front.
man look on the 3d animations, some debunking sites and so on. comparing bullet to ball is just not understanding physics.his head moves forwards first in the bullet penetration, also proved.also proved,there is no possible shoting position from the front,that doesnt hit jackie,cars windshild,or the guy is just levitating 2 metres above ground.the evidence for osvald is consistent.i was also believer,but faced the facts.
@squidau1999 actually there is a theory in physics called blowback (or the "jet-effect") that comes into play. When the front of Kennedy's head explodes it would throw his head backwards. Also, the Army did tests with goats where they are shot in the head from behind and the head snaps back. Nurological reasons for this are explained in a number of books (e.g.V. Bugliosi's 'Reclaiming History"). Besides ballistics tests proved the bullists that struck Kennedy were fired from Oswalds rifle.
You should actually watch a video of the assassination before you listen to people who make a profit off of their bull shit evidence. The bullet came from the front. Plain and simple. If the bullet came from the back he would've moved towards to front of the car. You are so ignorant it's not even funny.
@xbound4gloryx You're 18 y.o. and you think you know it all. It's not that plain or simple. If you watch the trial of Lee Harvey Oswald with Gerry Spence and Vincent Bugliosi as defense and prosecuting attorneys, there is a high-contrast photo of the head shot entered into evidence by a witness which shows the spray of brains and blood matter going forward. Before you go and call someone ignorant, try doing some more reading and investigating instead of believing bullshit.
@xbound4gloryx actually there is a theory in physics called blowback (or the "jet-effect") that comes into play. When the front of Kennedy's head explodes it would throw his head backwards. Also, the Army did tests with goats where they are shot in the head from behind and the head snaps back. Nurological reasons for this are explained in a number of books (e.g.V. Bugliosi's 'Reclaiming History"). Besides ballistics tests proved the bullists that struck Kennedy were fired from Oswalds rifle
@LoneNutter1 Did I say the shooter was on the knoll? No I didn't. The shooter was in the sewers to the front right of him. I like how you ignore the fact that if the bullet came from the back then why did his head move backwards when he was hit? You wanna talk about eye witnesses? They didn't interview shit. Why wasn't Bill Newman who was standing 15 feet from the assassination interviewed?
If CT'ers collected evidence from a crime scene here's how their investigation would proceed;
The body of a man is face up with a knife stuck in his heart. The knife has fingerprints on the handle and a tiny placard on the knife that says "If found, return to Bill Smith".
The fingerprints are a match to Bill Smith.
But CT'er would say.
"Obviously this woman was poisoned through an open window by a sniper from across the street". And then they'd go across the street looking for evidence.
If you have watched any slow motion video on YouTube or anywhere else, it will show the bullet entered the front off the brain. There is plenty of evidence. You are just close minded.
Here is some more evidence for you.
The 3rd bullet missed JFKs head by 22 feet high and 33 feet wide if you take it back in line with Oswald. Nobody is gonna miss like that. The man named Tague was injured by that bullet. If you think Oswald acted alone you need a new brain.
@xbound4gloryx There is zero evidence JFK was shot from the front or side. There is no forensic evidence to support your claim. Nobody saw a shooter on the knoll firing at the president. Nobody saw anyone leave the knoll after the shooting.There is zero physical evidence of a shooter on the knoll.There is zero eyewitness testimony by anyone who saw a shooter on the knoll.
So why do you insist there was a shooter on the knoll?
You may as well look for evidence that the earth is flat.
@LoneNutter1 What it all came down to was just another gunshot murder in Dallas. The doctors at Parkland Hospital were then as I imagine they are now well experienced with these. And these doctors reported that the gunshot wound in JFK’s head was from the front. I watched an interview with Dr. Robert McClelland. He insisted there was a large exit wound in the back of JFK’s head, and to me his testimony is unimpeachable.
@conspiracydog11 and all three surgeons at Bethesda Naval, immediately recognized the wound to the back of the head was an entrance wound confirming that he was shot from behind. Besides, Oswald's rifle was found in the sixth floor of the TSBD. The ballistics tests proved this rifle fired the bullets that hit Kennedy. This was the same rifle he was photographed (by his wife) with along with the pistol he shot Tippit with. Why would he shoot a cop 45 minutes after Kennedy's assasination? Why?
@abennett4 To trust the ballistics tests you have to trust Hoover. I think Hoover had his own agenda. No one ever placed Lee in that window with that Carcano for sure. Some of the most powerful and ruthless men in the world wanted JFK dead and yet he was killed by a 1.25 an hour clerk? No, I think not.
@conspiracydog11 just because someone wants someone dead does not mean latter mean that they're responsible. oswald had the marksmenship, the means and the opportunity to pull it off. what does it matter how much money he makes? Hinkley was jobless when he shot Reagan. Oswald had the personality (like Hinkley, Laughtner, David Chapman) of an assassin. There is no evidence of the Ballistics tests being falsified. And what about my point of Oswald leaving the scene&shooting Tippit (9 wittnesses)?
@abennett4 Lee had a rich friend in George de Mohrenschildt who was also a friend of Jackie's
Small world ain't it? And of course there is no evidence of monkey business with the ballistics tests just convenient finding that 6.5 bullet like that. You know from where Tippet was shot was only a couple of blocks from Jack's home. 9 witnesses but one of them saw two people. One saw a cop car in the alley and so on.
@abennett4 Why would he shoot a cop 45 minutes after Kennedy's was assassinated? Why? I have often wondered that myself. Especially the point blank kill shots after the cop was no longer a threat. Why waste the ammo and why not take the cops weapon? Why did no one report him covered in perspiration from that long fast walk? Maybe it was not Lee at all.
@abennett4 I think JFK's body was taken out of Texas in violation of Texas law. Also the doctors in Dallas had much more experience with gunshot wounds than the surgeons in Bethesda. I will put my money on the Dallas doctors.
@conspiracydog11 the reasons that the Bethesda doctors concluded that the wound was an entrance wound wer that the skull was cratered inward from the outside and flat from the inside. This was apparently a more sophisticated exam than the one in Dallas. This is not a game of chance where you get to "put your money" on it happining one way or the other. It happened just ONE way. And thoughtful, unprejudiced (I don't trust Hoover either) and careful analysis leads to only one conclusion=LHO did it
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inspectorcritic 1 day ago
The patsy line sounds like a different voice
davidhdaisley1 2 weeks ago
No one really knows what happened with the magic bullet, who killed JFK, and why. The FBI has a document filled with info about that day, it was info that was not released in public. They have it in a safe and will open in 2022
frenchfriequeen101 4 weeks ago
I guess we could have gotten saliva DNA
up off the chicken bones, they print the bag?
curtain rod box turn up with LHO digits?
shot sooner we could have got the chicken back
undigested at autopsy. his time-card in the archives?
extra ammo thrown away or found at his rooming?
unfired shells left in the carcano?... as if it would matter
his cashed FBI paychecks stored with Hoovers' frock?
major players all got to shit inside & on White House
post 1963 populace reeks of passive complicity
zeuqzavaj 1 month ago
This isn't an issue of forensics...it's an issue of why. Put this all together...America has been run by money since this country was founded. Certain families OWN the money that runs America. Politicians are selected and put into positions of power because of their intimate ties to these families. President Kennedy was no exception. However, he didn't agree with the grand scheme and spoke out against it. Plus, with the amount of influence he had, he could have really fucked up their plan...
nyr9teen9d4 1 month ago
Oswald was killed cause they wanted no trial and to shut him up. The govt killed him .Kennedy wanted to challenge the special interests
Vertigo2903 1 month ago
@Pismodd no he didn't and even if he acted alone he coulda been hired.
Vertigo2903 1 month ago
he was the lone shooter without doubt , whether others helped in the planning that will never be known . I just wish this case made it to trial as I would love to have known LHO's reason for fleeing the scene ! (kinda dodgy for an innocent man don't you think!, or did he normally go to the movies in his lunch break?), . In fact if any conspiracy fans could tell me that would be great .
stevepwnz 3 months ago
@stevepwnz presumably your theory about why he went to the theatre like all LNs is that he went there to hide ? so why does one intending to duck into a dark theatre to hide go and sit by one person and then another person practicaly sitting next to all the theatres patrons drawing a lot of attention to himself ? this is not the action of a man trying to hide .however the theater is just where oswald was arrested and not where the killings occured and thats where all the evidence is .
fobrien1 3 months ago
@fobrien1
Oswald had no particular plan plan beyond killing the president. So he was obviously improvisating (?) . The dallas theater was not far from the murder scene.
captainkavern 2 months ago
@captainkavern exatly how do we know what plan he may have had? ,.it makes no sense that a man supposedly looking for a dark place to hide untill the heat dies down would keep moving from seat to seat sitting next to all most every patron in there. this is not the action of a person trying to hide as he is drawing unwanted attention to himself .
fobrien1 2 months ago
@fobrien1
First Oswald was not moving from seat to seat. just prior the police arrived they put on the light then Oswald stood up and walked but went back to his seat. so you are making conclusions about false informations. Plus Oswald was supposed to be at work at that time of the day. What was he doing here if it was'nt to escape after kiling the president and a policeman?
captainkavern 2 months ago
@captainkavern information isnt just false because you say it is ,i have a witness who saw oswald move from seat to seat and it would have been difficult to miss as the theatre hadnt many patrons in it.a group of tsbd staff had asked if there would be any more work that day and were told it was unlikely and given the circumstances it wouldnt be unreasonable for any staff member to think there wouldnt be any more work that day .
fobrien1 2 months ago
@fobrien1
Well I don't know where you take your informations from. I take them from testimonies of the people that where involved. concerning Oswald's arrest i read Calvin brewer's warren comission testimony and the officer who arrested Oswald. I don't know who is the witness you have. But a lot of people tried to draw attention on them by telling crazy and often falses stories...
captainkavern 2 months ago
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@captainkavern "Well I don't know where you take your informations from. I take them from testimonies of the people that where involved"
you dont consider the theatre patrons /staff witnesses ? ,also a lot of witnesses were never called to give testimony and not being called does not mean there story is any less valid.
fobrien1 2 months ago
@fobrien1
Well I would love to hear their stories. what I am saying is that the only available testimony I have if from the people I told you about. The problem with that case , is that If you have a group of ten people hearing shots, you will ignore the 8 who said they heard 3, and focus to the 2 who said they heard more...it is not the best way to conduct an investigation...
captainkavern 2 months ago
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@captainkavern "The problem with that case , is that If you have a group of ten people hearing shots, you will ignore the 8 who said they heard 3, and focus to the 2 who said they heard more...it is not the best way to conduct an investigation.."
and exactly what do you base that false assumption on ? exactly what do you know about my methods of investigation and research? ,your making false assumptions and stating them as fact .
fobrien1 2 months ago
@fobrien1
If you think that Oswald leaving his work in a hurry in cabs and buses is not suspicious...well what can I say?
captainkavern 2 months ago
@captainkavern i didnt say i didnt think it was suspicious i said i dont think its unreasonable for people to assume there wouldnt be any more work that day under the circumstances .but that oswald reacted in the manner in which he did is suspicious .
fobrien1 2 months ago
@fobrien1 When the police closed the building, everybody was there but Oswald. Since it was the building where the shot came from, it is normal to consider oswald abscence as suspicious. He was supposed to be there at that time!
captainkavern 2 months ago
@captainkavern "When the police closed the building, everybody was there but Oswald"
thats absolutely untrue ,other people besides oswald were not in the building in fact givens wasnt located untill after oswald was arrested .as i said i agree its suspicious that oswald reacted the way he did in the theatre and so is the fact he was there in the first place .but suspicious as it may look that doesnt prove he shot anyone .
fobrien1 2 months ago
@fobrien1
Oswald worked in the building where the shot came from. NO ONE knows what he was doing at the exact time of the shooting. He left work although he was not supposed to do so. He went home and the somehow got involved in the shooting of a policeman. Then he is arrested in a theater carying a gun. That the rifle found at the murder scene happens to be oswald's. The bullet found in connaly and the president match with that weapon...and you think he has nothing to do with it?
captainkavern 2 months ago
@captainkavern no offence if your going to reply to comments perhaps you should carefully read them first .i said atleast one theatre witness saw oswald move from seat to seat you dismissed that simply because the warren commission didnt speak to the patrons but do you know people were in dealey /on elm and houston and were never spoken to either ,by your logic that means what they had to say isnt to be relied upon because (through no fault of their own ) its not on record .---------------
fobrien1 2 months ago
@captainkavern you say the only person missing was oswald by your logic that means he must be guilty ,but i pointed out that oswald wasnt the only person missing but seems to not matter .yes oswald was in the building so he must be considered a suspect however witnesses did see him at various times between about 11.50 and atleast 12.15 all on lower floors .either your not aware of this or you want to ignore it . bonny ray williams was on the 6th floor --------------------------
fobrien1 2 months ago
@captainkavern no more than 12 feet from the so called snipers nest between 12.00 and a little after 12.20 he never saw or heard oswald ,at 12.15 arnold rowland saw a negro leaning out of the so called snipers nest window that means oswald cant have been in there at that time as the warren commission said .and before you say he saw jarmin/norman they were provably still down on elm at that time and would be there for about 10 minutes more .-----------------------
fobrien1 2 months ago
@captainkavern if oswald is the shooter he has to go down 4 flights of stairs and cross 4 landings ,no more than 30 seconds after the shots dorothy garner was standing on the 4th floor landing she had to see oswald come down she didnt but she saw baker and trully come up . the warren commission established a minimal 74 seconds for oswald to reach the second floor , of this about 40 seconds is on the 6th floor ------------------------------------
fobrien1 2 months ago
@captainkavern that means it takes about 10 seconds for each stairs and landing ,this means oswald couldnt have been crossing the 4th floor landing untill almost a minute after the shots yet garner never saw him .2 other witnesses wh were with garner victoria adams and sandra styles ran down stairs 30 seconds or so after the shots and never saw or heard oswald on the stairs . so when and how did oswald go down ? did he get scotty to beam him down ?.
fobrien1 2 months ago
@captainkavern the tippit shooting is riddled with problems ,the combination of bullets from tippit are a different combination to the shells ,the bullets were never matched to the gun ,there is serious chain of evidence issues with the shells . helen markham the wc star witness gave 2 descriptions of the shooter neither matching oswald ,benavides never identified oswald ,scoggins id is weak and the line ups were little more than rigged ,warren reynolds couldnt id the man he saw -------------
fobrien1 2 months ago
@captainkavern running ,he gets shot in the head and he becomes positive its oswald .frank wright and virginia davis both said the man wore a black or dark coat the coat in the archives is a very light tan .barbara davis said the person she saw was a boy and markham told agent odum the shooter was about 18 with black hair .most witnesses only said oswald was the person most resembling the person they saw but thats explained when reading about the line ups .-------------------------------------
fobrien1 2 months ago
@captainkavern the money order for the rifle was bought and posted at a time when oswald was provably in work ,there is no evidence that oswald recieved a rifle at his po box in fact the evidence that is their refutes that he did ,the only thing linking oswald to the rifle is an id card in his wallet with the name a hiddell on it .ce399 is refuted by the commissions own expert witnesses ,but also neither tomlinson (who found it ) and wright who he showed it to identified ---------------
fobrien1 2 months ago
@captainkavern it as the bullet they saw ,in fact wright (who had worked for the dpd )said the bullet was pointed .connally himself said the bullet (or what was left of it ) fell from his leg onto the floor of the trauma room and the nurse picked it up and put in her pocket .the commission had test bullets fired at animal rib and human wrists none of these bullets even resemble the near pristine condition of ce399 .
fobrien1 2 months ago
@stevepwnz
on page 1356 of the WCR it states "Mr Oswald left the TSBD and returned to his boarding house where he had anal sex with Mrs Roberts. He then smoked a cigarette and decided to walk over to the movies. He was stopped by Officer J D Tippit and questioned whereupon Mrs Roberts ran up behind the officer and blew him away. Mr Oswald panicked and fled, eventually ducking into a theater to avoid the commotion of police sirens outside."
Mr Oswald was protecting Mrs Roberts. He was her hero
LiquorWreckedEmGood 3 months ago
patsy
joeylodes 3 months ago
Wow... This is sad clearly he was innocent.. He was framed
CrAcKeRsNbEaNs 4 months ago
@CrAcKeRsNbEaNs Yea? What proof do you have to offer that he was "framed"? His prints are on the rifle. He carried a large package into the building with him that day, and then lied to the police about it. He lied and claimed he was eating lunch w/ co workers. The list goes on and on.
IwshIcldstrtover 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover his prints were only found on the rifle after he died ,the fbi didnt find any prints on the rifle when they checked it late on the night of 22/11/63. no witness saw oswald with the package in the building ,in fact dougherty who saw oswald walk in the door said he was positive oswald had no package ,we must remember this is a 3 feet long by 6inch wide by about 2 inch deep package how could dougherty not see such a large package ?.
fobrien1 4 months ago
@fobrien1 Frazier saw Oswald with the package, enter the building. Frazier's sister saw Oswald with the package. You discount this? Read the book "First Day Evidence" by Gary Savage. Photographs taken of the rifle before the FBI handled it, reveal Oswald's prints on the trigger housing. Do you really think Dougherty impeaches their testimony? I don't.
IwshIcldstrtover 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover your talking about whats in a book and im talking about testimony and evidence . dougherty was sat on a table and saw oswald walk in the door and he was positive that oswald had no package and thats in his testimony ,but you seem to accept only testimony which tends to point to oswald being guilty while dismissing other testimony . when the fbi checked the rifle they found no prints that could be identified as oswalds .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@fobrien1 Im talking about the book full of Dallas Police evidence that was untouched by others. You are talking about evidence that was touched by others( FBI) AFTER the DPD photographed the rifle while in their possession. By the time the rifle reached Washington, naturally the fingerprints were smudged. However, there were fibers from the blanket and Oswald's shirt found on the rifle. Dougherty first stated that he only saw Oswald "out of the corner of my eye".
IwshIcldstrtover 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover "Dougherty first stated that he only saw Oswald "out of the corner of my eye".
thats kind of my point about considering all the evidence and not just the bits that suit . you cherry picked 6 words from a whole testimony ,why not post the relevant section where he was asked if he saw a package ? .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover ball asked dougherty about a statment he made to the fbi
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - The statement says, "I recall vaguely having seen Lee Oswald, when he came to work at about 8 a.m. today."
Mr. DOUGHERTY - That's right.
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover Mr. BALL - Now, is that a very definite impression that you saw him that morning when he came to work?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, oh--it's like this--I'll try to explain it to you this way--- you see, I was sitting on the wrapping table and when he came in the door, I just caught him out of the corner of my eye---that's the reason why I said it that way.
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover Mr. BALL - Do you recall him having anything in his hand?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't see anything, if he did.
Mr. BALL - Did you pay enough attention to him, you think, that you would remember whether he did or didn't?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I believe I can---yes, sir---I'll put it this way; I didn't see anything in his hands at the time.
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover Mr. BALL - In other words, your memory is definite on that is it?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - In other words, you would say positively he had nothing in his hands?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I would say that---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Or, are you guessing?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - I don't think so.
i would think a person reading your 6 word snippit and the section of testimony i just posted would reach two very diiferent conclussions .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@fobrien1 You forgot this: Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.
IwshIcldstrtover 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover did any of these fellows he was talking about see oswald carry a package the morning of 22/11/63 ? ,dougherty saw oswald and said he was positive he had no package ,bill shelly said oswald was at work when he first saw him that day so he saw no large package .who are these fellows who saw oswald with a large package ?. your simply talking about tsbd staff gossiping the next day about what happened .no tsbd witness other than frazier mentioned a package.
fobrien1 4 months ago
@fobrien1 No, I'm not "simply talking about tsbd staff gossiping the next day about what happened". I am providing you with further testimony by the same witness you used to try to prove that Oswald didn't have a package when he entered the building. He says differently.
IwshIcldstrtover 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover i think your misinterpreting that part of the testimony ,dougherty said he saw no package large or small thats a given ,he said it its in his testimony . now as regards dougherty speaking about other staff possibly seeing oswald with a package (when did these people see the package ?) and (who are these people ) you mentioned shelly but he makes no mention of seeing oswald with a package that day (what kind of package was seen ? )
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover in doughertys testimony he didnt retract his statment about not seeing a oswald with a package (i feel you think that was what he was doing he wasnt and didnt ) he was saying the after the shooting the guys were talking including shelly and some said they saw oswald with a package (but when did the see him ?) certainly not on 22/11/63 unless you believe he was reffering to fraizier as one of these men .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover what we need is the section of testimony where shelly or any other member of staff says they saw oswald with a package on 22/11/63 other than frazier that is ,that would establish who this group of people were and what they said they saw . they clearly didnt tell the police/fbi/warren commission they saw oswald with a large package as if they had they would surely have been one of the star witnesses .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover do you not wonder how a man assembled the broken down carcano and only leaves a partial palm print and a partial finger print ,the same applies to the paper package that he supposedly made and carried the rifle in ,a partial palm print and one finger print . by the way did you check fritz/bookhouts notes ?do you see a claim by oswald that he ate with jarmin ? of course you wont see it because he didnt say it .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover "Do you really think Dougherty impeaches their testimony? I don't."
in order to get at the truth we must consider all evidence and testimony and not just that which may tend to help your case . i guess if its your contention that oswald is guilty (and you refuse to be swayed on that ) then i suppose your correct dougherty wont impeach frazier ,but perhaps frazier himself impeaches frazier .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover You are obviously self convinced about disregarding numerous facts most damaging of all multiple shooters~!
If you ask anyone who has done any type of hunting and/or combat training, they will all say that the evidence alone clears LHO.
Tampering with evidence is the trademark of both the police and/or f.b.I. once they are instructed to do so by their superiors...
We all know especially of generation X that the government or corporations that is murdered JFK..
wingedlightning 4 months ago
@wingedlightning
this is pure speculation. Shooting Kennedy from the book depository was not that difficult,
Oswald was a good shooter.
captainkavern 2 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover "He lied and claimed he was eating lunch w/ co workers"
if you got that inaccurate fact from reclaiming history you need to look at fritz/bookhout and hostys interrogation notes (these are the only record of what oswald said ) they clearly state oswald said he ate alone and that he saw 2 negros walk in never did he claim he ate with jarmin or anyone . you can see the notes online google fritz notes .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover and how do u know that is a fact. i dont know if he was or not but in a year of studying the illuminati the answer seems clear. Also you know what happend to jack ruby who killed lee? he went to jail for a short time and said he wasnt gunna survive because insidious forces hired him to kill oswald. but shortly after ruby died of "cancer"
CrAcKeRsNbEaNs 4 months ago
@CrAcKeRsNbEaNs But, during Ruby's death bed interview, and other times Ruby was asked, he stated that all the things said about knowing Oswald was pure fabrication.
IwshIcldstrtover 4 months ago
I think Oswald did shoot JFK. But he probably had help and that fact would have come out at a trial. Enter mafia goon Jack Ruby.
mpjgbx 4 months ago
No one seems to notice that as soon as Oswald makes a claim that he is innocent, he looks suddenly looks away from whomever he is speaking. This is an obvious sign that he is lying. Lying people can't look people they are lying to, in the eye. He does this on several occasions.
IwshIcldstrtover 4 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover it wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that numerous people are asking him questions and that he is looking at the person who asked the next question .we cant decide a persons guilt from one photo or video only on the evidence .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@fobrien1 Look at the footage, again.
IwshIcldstrtover 4 months ago
By the way, in this intervew he says he's arrested becaused he lived in soviet union. This is a complete lie. We all know he was in custody because he was supected of killing a cop. he didn't say "I am a victim of a conspiracy, i am a just a patsy" he said "they're taking me in because i lived in the soviet union, i am just a patsy" big difference. Plus, he's mother , brother and wife saw and talked to him while in custody, he never said anything about being a victim of any conspiration..
captainkavern 5 months ago
Oswald was a CIA puppet a front man to take the heat his story does not make sense. JFK was killed because he wanted to end the fed and did not agree with American imperialism.
zouhou12 5 months ago
@zouhou12
Kennedy WAS working for the american interest, he was ruling the CIA and was fiercely anti communist.and wanted to stay in vietnam.
captainkavern 5 months ago
@captainkavern uhh kennedy opposed the vietnam war and wanted to lower the power of the CIA after they came up with a plan (operation northwoods) to attack cuba. and he wanted to rid of the federal reserve, so they killed him.
YUGIOHbuyANDsell 5 months ago
@YUGIOHbuyANDsell
Please watch the interviews of jfk for CBS and NBC a few weeks before he died. He was talking about vietnam saying "we are here to stay , i know people don't like to see us involved in vietnam but it will be a long struggle", he talked about staying in vietnam the very morning of his death in 2 speeches!!! Bobby Kennedy in 1964 was asked if his brother had any intention of pulling out of vietnam . He said "NO".all this can be easily found on youtube. Or the web.
captainkavern 5 months ago
What else would expect him to say? "I'm guilty, so go ahead and execute me!" ??
quidproquo2004 5 months ago
The Warren Commission and people like Gerald Posner claimed that one of the reasons Lee Harvey Oswald murdered President Kennedy was because he yearned to become someone important. He wanted to be historically important. That argument makes no sense at all as this footage shows. That argument is still used by some today.
USASecretHistory 6 months ago
@USASecretHistory
well if you listen to the 2 radio interview he gave the summer before the assassination about his organisation Fair Play for cuba commity, you would see that : he was very self confident the way he spoke.
he lied several times (the radio host had him tell the truth about russia, that he did not metion in the previous interview), he lied about the members of his organisation (he was the only member). that doesn't make him guilty of murder but a liar, definitely.
captainkavern 5 months ago
@captainkavern It would make sense that he lied if he were working in some capacity for American intelligence. Why did he try to get into Cuba after he had just returned from the Soviet Union in 1962? Why dod he go to Mexico City to try to get a visa to get into Cuba. He was adamant acccording to the people working in the embassy in Mexico. Maybe almost as adamant as he was about getting Soviet citizenship back in 1959. It all doesn't make sense. At least the official story.
USASecretHistory 5 months ago
Lee Harvey rules! RIP Leester, much love ...
snickersneezer 7 months ago
OH YEAH!!!!!!!!! TESTIFY DUDE I AGREE 100% BIG TIME DAMN GOVERNMENT MOTHERFKER JFK WAS A GREAT PRESIDENT
rtakhien 7 months ago
i think he didn't do it, lee harvey oswald story i beileve was a cover-up and the u.s. federal government did the killing of Kennedy because of his speech on how the american government is corrupt and go ahead dislike this comment, spam this comment, remove this comment, respond to this comment saying that i'm so wrong, but it's the truth and it will set you free
TheWill211187 7 months ago 13
@TheWill211187 it will set me free huh? lol
zeroskatr11 7 months ago in playlist The JFK Assassination Films
@zeroskatr11 yeah it will, if you keep beileving lies then you'll be enslaved and your owners will make you think your free when your enslaved but knowing the truth will make you free
TheWill211187 6 months ago
@TheWill211187 LOL
zeroskatr11 6 months ago
@zeroskatr11 how is that funny? it's very serouis, if you believe everything the owners of this country say then they'll tell you all these lies and enslave you, they will control your life without you knowing it. this country is actually more of a communist country, in publicy this is a free country, in secrecy, this is a dictatorship, communist country.
TheWill211187 6 months ago
@TheWill211187
You clearly don't know what the term communism mean.. but yeah, America is definitely slowly turning in to a dictatorship.
notuern 6 months ago
@TheWill211187 I agree with you! How many so called lone assasins in history claimed to be a patsy! None that I know of. He never got a chance to tell his story!
usamachinist 5 months ago
@TheWill211187
The truthh is that in school the government goes through the books and chane all the stuff they want to hide from us because they think were corrup andd we will do something about it. So evrything that is said in our history class may be a lie since the teachers jusst show us fake lies and a bunch of bullshit.
amycecy333 4 months ago in playlist Liked
@TheWill211187
The gov't has told them to keep the truth from getting to our hands but I mean they are the ones who are stupid since they are lying to themselfes end of story the gov't does what they want they think they can do watever they want I mean they can but its just wrong .
amycecy333 4 months ago in playlist Liked
@TheWill211187
Don't trust what you think, trust what you know.
captainkavern 2 months ago
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Like he said ...Im just a patsy
jimmyofaden 7 months ago
@abennet4
you want proof of conspiracy? look at the nix footage (opposite angle from zapruder). limo slows to a near stop right at the critical moment. now why do you suppose THAT happened? coincidence?
LiquorWreckedEmGood 7 months ago
the reporter's question what either "Did you shoot the president?" or "Did you kill the president?" and his response is "I work in that building". Sounds guilty to me. Why wouldn't he not just say "NO" but "HELL NO!". Sounds likes he knows the shots came from "that building".
abennett4 7 months ago
@abennett4 But Benavides described the back of Oswald's head differently. And both were never taken to a police line up. A year later his brother, who apparently looked just like him, was shot in the back of the head. Now I will agree when you say it was probably just a random shooting however, his father in law then opened his own investigation and was killed 2 weeks later. Too much of a coincidence for me. As for these tests the Army conducted....
mykelkashy 7 months ago
Also how come there were no records made of the interrogation. Without records nothing is admissible in court. Do I think Oswald killed Kennedy? Absolutely. Did he do it alone? Most likely not. Especially with all the enemies Kennedy had made from groups and organizations in America and other countries. Just too much doesn't make sense. But I have a solution..... blame Bush.
mykelkashy 7 months ago
Here are my questions regarding Oswald. Why after defecting to the Soviet Union during the Cold War was he allowed to return to America (this was treason) and obtain a job making maps for the US Army. This requires a Top Secret security clearance and they don't take that one lightly like they do for a Secret. Why was Oswald first charged with the murder of JD Tippit.. Why was he not charged with the president's murder until shortly before he was killed?
mykelkashy 7 months ago
@mykelkashy There was a lot more evidence, at first, that Oswald had murdered Tippit. Nine eye witnesses, for example, id’ed Oswald as the killer . Naturally, authorities were much more cautious about charging Oswald with killing the president. The evidence did, within a reasonable amount of time, point to Oswald’s complicity in the assassination. And why would Oswald be shooting a policeman in cold blood if he hadn’t (45 minutes before) shot Kennedy?
abennett4 7 months ago
@abennett4 I will absolutely agree with you with there being more evidence to him killing Tippit. However (going by the Warren Commission official Report) it would appear that they were just trying to pin that on him as well. There were only two eye witnesses to the shooting.Helen Markham and Domingo Benavides. Helen Markham's testimony was garbage and I agree with them there. However Benavides said he had a very good view of the Tippit's killer and said "he looked like Oswald".
mykelkashy 7 months ago
@mykelkashy I can't agree with you on the number of witnesses to Tippit's shooting. However, combine how ever number of witnesses with the fact of Oswald then being traced to that movie theatre where he was apprended with the pistol that was used to kill Tippit and you have your killer. And besides, why did Oswald flee across town after the assasination? Sounds to me that he went "blood simple". It was his own example of the OJ Bronco chase. Something a guilty person whould do.
abennett4 7 months ago 4
@abennett4 Please, you must be more intelligent than to think that Oswald having worked in the building was not a "setup", that in itself a top the station chief (Sr. Bush) being there. lBJ. clears Oswald... you would be surprised just how often these types of events take place in each presidential cycle. it is like 9-11. various ops that get out of control. no one not even the players know if it's real or fake even when real.
The cops killed tippit. too obvious. he would have talked~!
wingedlightning 4 months ago
@wingedlightning There is no *credible* evidence of a conspiracy (let alone one involving Bush Sr or LBJ) in the Kennedy assassination. 48 years later and not a whiff. There were 12 witnesses to the Tippit murder and its immediate aftermath. Six positively identified Oswald in police line ups. And don't even waste your breath over 9/11. You imagination is running wild.
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 In response to your 1st paragraph, yes I agree Lessor did fit the profile as a potential assassin. However, he did not fit the profile as JFK's killer there is a difference....
2nd after 48 years there is a ton of evidence against Bush Sr. & LBJ and the f.b.I. the c.I.a. in connection with the conspiracy that setup Oswald and killed JFK.
wingedlightning 4 months ago
@wingedlightning First of all, who is Lessor? Secondly, why don't you cite just a smidgen of this evidence linking Bush, LBJ, the CIA and the FBI to the assassination so I know where you're coming from?
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 Typo... My tablet keystroke error... I meant Oswald.
As for citations indicating these people Bush is in photos taken the time of the assassination... He was not a fan wishing happy if that's your response(he was a registered republican).
Eyewitnesses testimony on LBJ including Oswalds killer Jack Ruby are facts... The latter stated "if Adelaide Steven was V.P."... JFK would not have been assassinated.
FBI,cia,ss.... Usual suspects...period.
wingedlightning 4 months ago
@wingedlightning Huh? - So Bush being a registered Republican is evidence that he was involved in a conspiracy? And if Bush was involved in a conspiracy, he wouldn't have been anywhere near Dealey Plaza. Huh? - Ruby was an eyewitness to LBJ involvement in a conspiracy? Ruby also believed that millions of Jews were being murdered in the cells below him. He had gone insane and had nothing credible. Nothing you mention are facts. Just unsupported conjecture. Oswald... Alone...exclamation point!
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 3RD When criminals get it into their kind that they can get off Scott free they do it again and again.... Thus 9-11..... Funny how the same family's connections with the c.I.a. banks and zionists got away with 3000 innocent U.S. lives ..... There is like in the JFK conspiracy tons of evidence on 9&11 with cops, engineers, pilots all sacking the government/zionist medias version.....
The only people who believe in the gov/zionist propaganda are the UN American idiots.
wingedlightning 4 months ago
@wingedlightning You seem to reach conclusions (e.g. "Thus 9-11") without any firm evidence (just suspicion). Therefore, from a strictly logical viewpoint, your arguments are fallacious. They seem to be simply spring out of nowhere based solely on a general mistrust of government .Your charges lack any specificity, so they are impossible to challenge. You overgeneralize to the extreme. Ad Hominem attacks also don't help. And, for the sake of argument, lets stick to JFK for the time being.
abennett4 4 months ago
@abennett4 There are gangs inside of every police department or fraternities, clicks point is Tippit was a liability... so those within the know... got rid of him then planted the gun somehow... this is not unheard of in cases that afterwards are resolved as criminal cops that go to prison after having planted evidence including firearms~!
wingedlightning 4 months ago
@abennett4 Furthermore, one only need analyze Oswald as a perfectly rational mind one which if he was the person responsible he would have gloated in pride with the act, instead he sees that he was setup and when having the 1st chance openly in front of the television cameras says " I am a patsy"... He did not do it...
Anyone that has any sort of basic college psychoanalysts course can see that he was not a fit for the action that took place, not to say that he did not have knowledge of the op.
wingedlightning 4 months ago
@wingedlightning It is not uncommon for the guilty to profess their innocence. Oswald figured he would have plenty of time to gloat afterwards. Furthermore, if you have ever read a biography of Oswald (e.g. 'Marina and Lee' by Priscella Johnson McMillan) you would see he fit the assassin model similar to John Hinkley, Mark David Chapman, Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremmer, Leon Czolgosz, Charles J. Guiteau , Lynette Alice "Squeaky" Fromme, Sara Jane Moore and Jared Lee Loughter.
abennett4 4 months ago
@wingedlightning Notice how remarkably calm he was considering the circumstances? I always thought it was because he was trained psychologically, as if it were part of some spy training. I wish I could remember where I saw it but two psychoanalysts saw footage of LHO and researched his life. They concluded the LHO did not fit the profile of an assassin.
TheAmbassador11 4 months ago
@mykelkashy July 7,2011Regardless of who investigated that you don't trust or inaccuracies by witnesses, it doesn't explain LHO fucking off from the TSBD, going home, changing his clothing, taking a pistol with him, murdering Tippit and then going to a movie theater (just the thing to help you unwind after a long day of killing people) and then assaulting and attempting to then shoot one of the arresting officers. Everybody AVOIDS OR IGNORES explaining the theater because it's INDEFENSIBLE.
BaronVonSchtupp88 7 months ago
@BaronVonSchtupp88 But what does explain that? Why would he have wanted to murder a cop? How did Tippit come across him? So suspicious? The description of him they gave at that time could have matched almost half the man in Dallas. There is something more than meets the eye, something that just doesn't add up. LHO doesn't act like a nut or someone who wanted to go into history by killing the president. He does not fit the profile; why did he deny it if he indeed was proud of the killings?
yeees123 5 months ago
@yeees123 If you read Bugliosi's book, it more than adequately explains how Tippit came upon him and why LHO killed him. If you read just the bio of LHO in the book, you'll see just what kind of person he was (you can judge for yourself whether he's crazy, mentally disturbed, quirky or just not normal in some ways). He doesn't fit the profile because apparently you really don't know much about him. When you read the book it will all add up. He hated the US and tried to move to Cuba; that's crazy
BaronVonSchtupp88 5 months ago
@BaronVonSchtupp88 Hi!
From what I have researched, his childhood hero was Herbert Philbrick, who was communism hating undercover agent pretending to be a communistic nut. Also his so called devotion to communism seems cookie, always seemed fake to me somehow. Thank you for your suggestion! Obe thing though: If he wanted to go to Cuba so bad, why did he leave his riffle in the TSBD along with shellcasings for everyone to find if he had planned the assassination so carefully?
yeees123 5 months ago
@yeees123 He was a fan of the TV show "I Led Three Lives", not the same thing as Philbrick being any sort of hero to him. When interviewed by Capt. Fritz, who asked if he was a Communist, he replied he was a Marxist. I have Bugliosi's book in front of me and I'll probably regret saying that because now people will want the Cliff Notes version of any long,drawn out argument or question about why LHO did this thing or that thing. He hid the rifle before fleeing; he couldn't leave the TSBD with it.
BaronVonSchtupp88 5 months ago
I have actually read some publishements by Vincent Bugliosi, I must say that he very conviniently slips over little sublte things that does not seem to add up and for me is too narrowly focusing on the idea of a lone nut rather then for searching for trueth. I am not a conspiracy theorist nor a lone nut activist, I just want the trueth. And my research have concluded one thing: too many aspects do not add up. Starting from forensic evidence, ending with organisations and people around it.
yeees123 5 months ago
@yeees123 Refer to "Reclaiming History". In 1600+ pages, I don't see where he overlooks or slips up or focuses narrowly on important subjects. This case has hard evidence against LHO and foolish, deluded people who choose to ignore or decry that evidence by positing insipid ideas such as the autopsy photos, x-rays, LHO backyard photos and the Zapruder film all being faked or tampered with in some extravagant manner or by preposterous means are never going to or refuse to understand the truth.
BaronVonSchtupp88 5 months ago
@BaronVonSchtupp88 if people think they will get the truth about what happened on 22/11/63 from reading a book they are wrong (and deluded) ,if a book is written by a biased author the book itself will be biased case closed and reclaiming history are 2 such books . the unbiased truth can be found in the testimonies/affidavits/fbi reports and other documents if people care to look .
fobrien1 4 months ago
@abennett4 I definitely trust the Army even less than I trust the federal government. There is just too much wrong with the reports and the investigation for me. Even if there was video footage of Oswald shooting Kennedy the Warren Commission still lost a lot of credibility when they had Allen Dulles (who was fired from Kennedy) and J. Edgar Hoover (who was having a falling out) as part of the investigation. Doesn't make any sense. However, stranger things have happened.
mykelkashy 7 months ago
@mykelkashy I worked with the Army as a summer intern in '78 and '79. I saw the footage. So far the Conspiracy Industry has everyone involved; FBI, CIA, the Mob, Dallas police, witnesses, the Paines, Maria Oswald, the press, Jack Ruby, the Army, the Navy, the Marines (not the Air Force, yet). It just could not happen; 50 years and no reliable evidence or witness. Most conspiracies are products of feverish fantacies. Real conspiracies are found out for the simple fact of people like to talk.
abennett4 7 months ago
@mykelkashy Oswald never became a citizen of the Soviet Union. Also never relinquished his US citizenship.
abennett4 7 months ago
"Why did you have my brother killed?" -RFK to LBJ
funlickr 7 months ago
Как говорится,козел отпущения...
negumanoid 8 months ago
Lee Charming Oswald. You know, this is why I hate the age of open information and technology. It is so susceptible to manipulation by THE PEOPLE (a.k.a., whoever the media elite is currently backing). On the other hand, consider the alternatives: Officially sponsored internet with no googling. That sucks! Keep doin' that thang that you do so well!
billybagbom 8 months ago
Sorry, but this video does not come under the category of 'Science & Technology'.
TheNewbSpawn 8 months ago
Oswald was a nut case, and anyone who believes he is innocent is a nutcase as well.
IwshIcldstrtover 8 months ago
I know
George103084 8 months ago
The guy underneath the atreet shot kennedy
George103084 8 months ago
WHO SAID THAT WHEN SOMEONE IS CLAIMING INNOCENCE THAT MEANT HE IS INNOCENT?????
captainkavern 8 months ago
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whotaughtyou 8 months ago
You haven't a single thing to support this theory of yours that the evidence against Oswald was planted. This is just more tiresome baloney.
LoneNutter1 8 months ago
@baronvonschtupp88 Yes I'm 18 you have said that twice. You're the one that is believing bullshit. I despise Oswald for being involved but there is no evidence that Oswald killed JFK. In America you are innocent until proven guilty but you are from Germany so you wouldn't understand that.
xbound4gloryx 8 months ago
@xbound4gloryx You can NOT be serious. Answer the questions in the earlier post. what happened to the "curtain rods" he brought under a blanket to work that day? because it was the rifle he used to shoot the president. the same fifle that ballistics tests proved fired the shots that killed the president. the same rifle he was famously photographed with. why did oswald go back to his rooming house & get his pistol? why did oswald shoot officer tippit (nine wittnesses) NO evidence? Ha!
abennett4 7 months ago
I still believe to this day the driver of the limo shot jkf dead!!!!!!
samfitzy8 8 months ago
The poor sap!
LowBid86 8 months ago
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he said " im just a patsy ''
KimoraW19 8 months ago
@KimoraW19 xD yeah
kenobine 8 months ago
just the one you want to believe, oswald? lol why was no one able to find the curtain rods he brought under a blanket to work that day? because it was the rifle he used to shoot the president. the same fifle that ballistics tests proved fired the shots the killed the president. the same rifle he was famously photographed with. why did oswald go back to his rooming house & get his pistol? why did oswald shoot officer tippit (nine wittnesses)? because he was guilty. the one and only. use analysis.
abennett4 8 months ago
Um actually he was a patsy and the mafia was involved. There's proof
paramedicEmergency51 8 months ago
@paramedicEmergency51 how come, after all these years, all these mob arrests, all theses mobsters have flipped for the government, not a single one has said oganized crime had anything to do with it. if ruby was out to silence oswald, why did no one silence ruby? because then whoever silenced ruby would need to be silenced, you say there's proof. there's no proof or even an inkling of proof. your just making stuff up or watched JFK (what a joke!) too many times.
abennett4 8 months ago
@abennett4 several mobsters have claimed later on that kennedy's assassination was a conspiracy involving the mafia, see for example, salvatore bonanno, sam giancana, carlos marcello, jimmy hoffa etc
debunker1905 7 months ago
@debunker1905 The HSCA looked extensively into possible organized crime connections. Not only did they find nothing credible, they did not bother to mention it even once in their report
abennett4 7 months ago
OK try this ... you stand with a baseball mit just in front of your nose ... i throw a ball as hard as i can at your hand .... according to the CIA theory of motion there is NO WAY your mit will come in contact with your face, and your hand will go foward NOT backwards. REALLY??? are Americans that dumb?...obiously they are... JFK was shot from the FRONT and his head followed the line of the bullet as it caught it. LOOK it is there for all to SEE
squidau1999 9 months ago
@squidau1999 Try this ; a bullet passing through you is not the same as being hit with a solid object. People in real life (unlike movies and T.V.) are NOT hurled backwards or forward by being shot from in front or behind them. The minute weight of the bullet compared to the human head will cause minimal movement. On the other hand a high-powered bullet hitting you from behind and spewing your brains out the front will cause that movement and the brains DID come out the front.
BaronVonSchtupp88 8 months ago
@squidau1999
man look on the 3d animations, some debunking sites and so on. comparing bullet to ball is just not understanding physics.his head moves forwards first in the bullet penetration, also proved.also proved,there is no possible shoting position from the front,that doesnt hit jackie,cars windshild,or the guy is just levitating 2 metres above ground.the evidence for osvald is consistent.i was also believer,but faced the facts.
tcoudi 8 months ago
@squidau1999 actually there is a theory in physics called blowback (or the "jet-effect") that comes into play. When the front of Kennedy's head explodes it would throw his head backwards. Also, the Army did tests with goats where they are shot in the head from behind and the head snaps back. Nurological reasons for this are explained in a number of books (e.g.V. Bugliosi's 'Reclaiming History"). Besides ballistics tests proved the bullists that struck Kennedy were fired from Oswalds rifle.
abennett4 7 months ago
@BaronVonSchtupp88
You should actually watch a video of the assassination before you listen to people who make a profit off of their bull shit evidence. The bullet came from the front. Plain and simple. If the bullet came from the back he would've moved towards to front of the car. You are so ignorant it's not even funny.
xbound4gloryx 9 months ago
@xbound4gloryx You're 18 y.o. and you think you know it all. It's not that plain or simple. If you watch the trial of Lee Harvey Oswald with Gerry Spence and Vincent Bugliosi as defense and prosecuting attorneys, there is a high-contrast photo of the head shot entered into evidence by a witness which shows the spray of brains and blood matter going forward. Before you go and call someone ignorant, try doing some more reading and investigating instead of believing bullshit.
BaronVonSchtupp88 8 months ago
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@xbound4gloryx actually there is a theory in physics called blowback (or the "jet-effect") that comes into play. When the front of Kennedy's head explodes it would throw his head backwards. Also, the Army did tests with goats where they are shot in the head from behind and the head snaps back. Nurological reasons for this are explained in a number of books (e.g.V. Bugliosi's 'Reclaiming History"). Besides ballistics tests proved the bullists that struck Kennedy were fired from Oswalds rifle
abennett4 7 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Did I say the shooter was on the knoll? No I didn't. The shooter was in the sewers to the front right of him. I like how you ignore the fact that if the bullet came from the back then why did his head move backwards when he was hit? You wanna talk about eye witnesses? They didn't interview shit. Why wasn't Bill Newman who was standing 15 feet from the assassination interviewed?
xbound4gloryx 9 months ago
@xbound4gloryx Sewer? You Are kidding, right? On another point, there were lots of interviews. Read Gernal Posner's "Case Closed"
abennett4 7 months ago
If CT'ers collected evidence from a crime scene here's how their investigation would proceed;
The body of a man is face up with a knife stuck in his heart. The knife has fingerprints on the handle and a tiny placard on the knife that says "If found, return to Bill Smith".
The fingerprints are a match to Bill Smith.
But CT'er would say.
"Obviously this woman was poisoned through an open window by a sniper from across the street". And then they'd go across the street looking for evidence.
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
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conspiracydog11 9 months ago
the fact you believe he did makes you below human standards...fucking gullible moron
NYCxPLAYB0Y 9 months ago
@Lonenutter1
If you have watched any slow motion video on YouTube or anywhere else, it will show the bullet entered the front off the brain. There is plenty of evidence. You are just close minded.
Here is some more evidence for you.
The 3rd bullet missed JFKs head by 22 feet high and 33 feet wide if you take it back in line with Oswald. Nobody is gonna miss like that. The man named Tague was injured by that bullet. If you think Oswald acted alone you need a new brain.
xbound4gloryx 10 months ago
@xbound4gloryx There is zero evidence JFK was shot from the front or side. There is no forensic evidence to support your claim. Nobody saw a shooter on the knoll firing at the president. Nobody saw anyone leave the knoll after the shooting.There is zero physical evidence of a shooter on the knoll.There is zero eyewitness testimony by anyone who saw a shooter on the knoll.
So why do you insist there was a shooter on the knoll?
You may as well look for evidence that the earth is flat.
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@LoneNutter1
At last sombody with a brain!!!!
captainkavern 9 months ago
@LoneNutter1 "You may as well look for evidence that the earth is flat"
Then he should stop looking for JFK's lost brain and look to see were he let go of his own!
KookTartsBigFarts1 9 months ago
@KookTartsBigFarts1
Insults and personal attacks. That's seems to be the dominant message from the conspiracy believers.
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@LoneNutter1 What it all came down to was just another gunshot murder in Dallas. The doctors at Parkland Hospital were then as I imagine they are now well experienced with these. And these doctors reported that the gunshot wound in JFK’s head was from the front. I watched an interview with Dr. Robert McClelland. He insisted there was a large exit wound in the back of JFK’s head, and to me his testimony is unimpeachable.
conspiracydog11 9 months ago
@conspiracydog11 and all three surgeons at Bethesda Naval, immediately recognized the wound to the back of the head was an entrance wound confirming that he was shot from behind. Besides, Oswald's rifle was found in the sixth floor of the TSBD. The ballistics tests proved this rifle fired the bullets that hit Kennedy. This was the same rifle he was photographed (by his wife) with along with the pistol he shot Tippit with. Why would he shoot a cop 45 minutes after Kennedy's assasination? Why?
abennett4 7 months ago
@abennett4 To trust the ballistics tests you have to trust Hoover. I think Hoover had his own agenda. No one ever placed Lee in that window with that Carcano for sure. Some of the most powerful and ruthless men in the world wanted JFK dead and yet he was killed by a 1.25 an hour clerk? No, I think not.
conspiracydog11 7 months ago
@conspiracydog11 just because someone wants someone dead does not mean latter mean that they're responsible. oswald had the marksmenship, the means and the opportunity to pull it off. what does it matter how much money he makes? Hinkley was jobless when he shot Reagan. Oswald had the personality (like Hinkley, Laughtner, David Chapman) of an assassin. There is no evidence of the Ballistics tests being falsified. And what about my point of Oswald leaving the scene&shooting Tippit (9 wittnesses)?
abennett4 7 months ago
@abennett4 Lee had a rich friend in George de Mohrenschildt who was also a friend of Jackie's
Small world ain't it? And of course there is no evidence of monkey business with the ballistics tests just convenient finding that 6.5 bullet like that. You know from where Tippet was shot was only a couple of blocks from Jack's home. 9 witnesses but one of them saw two people. One saw a cop car in the alley and so on.
conspiracydog11 7 months ago
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@abennett4 Why would he shoot a cop 45 minutes after Kennedy's was assassinated? Why? I have often wondered that myself. Especially the point blank kill shots after the cop was no longer a threat. Why waste the ammo and why not take the cops weapon? Why did no one report him covered in perspiration from that long fast walk? Maybe it was not Lee at all.
conspiracydog11 7 months ago
@abennett4 I think JFK's body was taken out of Texas in violation of Texas law. Also the doctors in Dallas had much more experience with gunshot wounds than the surgeons in Bethesda. I will put my money on the Dallas doctors.
conspiracydog11 7 months ago
@conspiracydog11 the reasons that the Bethesda doctors concluded that the wound was an entrance wound wer that the skull was cratered inward from the outside and flat from the inside. This was apparently a more sophisticated exam than the one in Dallas. This is not a game of chance where you get to "put your money" on it happining one way or the other. It happened just ONE way. And thoughtful, unprejudiced (I don't trust Hoover either) and careful analysis leads to only one conclusion=LHO did it
abennett4 7 months ago