First of all. The feed lots that slaughtered horses go to are the ones that are starved by the cruel greedy kill buyers. Second fact is that I live in an area where there are many horse farms and boarding stables all of which are healthy, not one skinny horse for miles. The reason why horses are starved is because of the faulty care of owners who are senile or people with dementia or too poor and irresponsible to help them find new homes or they are just cruel, evil horse owners.
@TheChrisbk First the horses the KBs want are the young, healthy, sound horses. More money by the pound. They don't want to buy horses they have to fatten up, not cost effective. Horses are and have been neglected for various reason, lack of knowledge, idiots, sudden change of finances, many have turned their horses loose because they don't want to take them to the auction for fear they will go to slaughter. There are many options in place, Shelter in Place programs, rescues, hay banks, etc.
@TheChrisbk The skinny horse in the feedlots and or holding pens are usually the rejects. They still belong to the Hauler/KB and they don't want them back. Prime example was Presidio TX. C4 Cattle CO. horses in the back pens being starved because they don't want to spend money feeding them because they can't sell them to slaughter. Dumped in the dry river bed, etc.
America loses it's honor as free country. It's like the Salem witch trials. John Adams tried to preserve it when he defended those British soldiers at the Boston Massacre, and now we need to take a stand and realize that it's not just lives that are being lost, it's our reputation.
MY saying; ~For things to really improve in the horse industry, the horse slaughter easy button must go away.~ A Change is needed!! .....SUPPORT BILL C-322 in CANADA! Don,t use and abuse innocent animals. Leave them alone. Theres enough food on this earth and Horses are Pets. Can,t feed them Don,t breed them!!
@xx1527 Not sure about what you're talking about.... We, here in Quebec and Alberta slaughter not only our own horses but US too! and look at how we do it under words like "richelieu slaughterhouse"...barbarians, that's what we are.
@xx1527 Perhaps you should watch the video again. The video was made in direct response to once created by the United Horsemen, to dispel the myths the perpetuate. No where in the video does it say you only slaughter horses from Canada.
We only borrow freedom from horses, its about time we give their freedom back.
Slaughter to me is the very lazy way of not paying the vet what is it now 1 months worth of food for a horse? No kill buyer will buy a starving horse they will buy the fit and youngest horses for their best meat. horses have helped famous history people. Could Paul Revere warn the nation by foot? NO! he rode a horse!
I love horses. However, the number of unwanted horses is insane. There are horses all over this country that are STARVING to death. If anyone who is Anti Slaughter could suggest a solution that Is economicaly POSSIBLE. please let uhear it ... because all you suggest is no slaughter... or less breeding ... which there needs to be less breeding but this is the land of the free and its not likely to be regulated
@sadiemay14 As long as slaughter is an option, people will always overbreed. Slaughter is not humane, slaughter is for food production and we do not raise horses as food in this country. It's time that people and the breed registries took some responsibility for the foals they drop on the ground or encouraged to be breed for. The number one horse sent to slaughter, AQHA, who has encouraged for years to breed anything AQHA, now they have genetic problems and over breeding.
@moondnce27 Slaughter is more humane than starving to death, I see more horses now than ever that are being neglected. There are too many horses and more and more people cannot afford to feed them. I heard of someone that shot weanling foals because they couldnt afford to feed them and couldnt give them away. Yes I was furious too. Idiots that over breed will continue to over breed because they still dont care. Closing slaughter has put the responsible and reputable breeders out of business.
@sadiemay14 I agree...this is a terrible video....they offer no solution....the real fact is that there are thousands of horses suffering from neglect and abuse. I wish horse people would wake up and stop being so emotional about this......it's a real problem ... take a drive through the western US, and see all the horses that have been ditched off onto the BLM to fend for themselves.....it's not pretty. Slaughter that is regulated by the USA is a much more humane way to die.
@16beaubeau the same number of horses are being slaughtered now as there were prior to the closure of the slaughterplants. We are looking at alternatives many of which are already in place, shelter in place for people who are facing economic problems so they don't have to abandon their horses. Many people refuse to take their horses to the auction for fear they will go to slaughter, even though it's wrong, they feel by abandoning them they will be rescued by AC or a rescue and saved.
@moondnce27 please read carefully and answer my questions if you are going to call me a hipocate. well since you dont know me you really dont know what i feel about them. I do love them so much they are what my world revolves around. However, I would rather see one die a quick death than see one starve.Question 1. Would you rather horses all over this country that have no place to go starve? 2. What is your idea of a solution to the present over pop. problem? I still have not heard a solution.
@moondnce27 There are not enough rescues to save them all. Where do you get your information? How many horse sales have you been to? Because i have NEVER seen so many starving animals in my life! horses that are too weak to stand for long periods. well over 70% of the horses going through sales in TN are extreamly skinny. A killer buyer would never buy them.Since all of the slaughter houses are closed in the US horses are transported farther and subjected to VERY unregulated slaughter! Good job!
@moondnce27 to all of you who wanted the best for slaughter bound horses... if what moondnce27 says is true and the same number go to slaughter... you have all made their deaths even more terrible and tragic. Also, since the vast majority of sale horses are poor, only the ones that have been well cared for go to killers. Because even broke horses are cheap enough now to be bought for slaughter at- 125- 300$ and tell us moondnce what are you doing to help those neglected as a result of over pop.?
@sadiemay14 Well let's see Sadiemay14, I have rescued two over the last two months, OTTB dumped fresh from the track, rehomed two horses just this week. both are being transported this weekend to their forever homes. What are you doing to stop the over breeding? Killers are buying everything right now, because the know the doors will be closing soon.
@moondnce27 once again you have NOT answered all of my questions. What do you think are happening to all of the horses that were bound for slaughter? They are starving. Would you rather them starve? You know in the past 4 or 5 years there has been a tremendous increase in horse neglect and abuse. What am I doing to prevent over breeding ? The only thing anyone can do ... not breed. Once again Please suggest an economical or possible solution to overpopulation. You cant because there isnt one.
@sadiemay14 : Get your facts straight, visit the holding pens in Presidio, spend a day at the auction at Sugar Creek, visit a slaughterhouse (any sort will do, beef or chicken, equally hideous), then -- once again -- get your facts straight, Starving horses are rejected by the buyers. They purchase fat, healthy animals. "The problem" is human greed. If you have a horse you cannot afford to keep, you CAN find a vet to put it down. Or grow the b*lls to shoot it. I
@moondnce27 Forever homes are a nice thought but you cant guarantee someone will honor that. They could lose a job get sick or die... leaving a horse uncared for or having to be sold. The doors are not as close to being closed as you may think ... research before you gloat! Go to the United horseman website and look at the new news
@moondnce27 because sadiemay14 the hippocrate is doing all she can possibly do to save those she finds starving todeath. At great person cost and will continue to do it. But I cannot save them all , if I could I would. So think .. just because you are absolutly sure you are right doesnt mean somone is a hippocrate for having a different belief. thanks!
horses are magical creatures with big loving hearts. If there is a hell, anyone who kills a horse will go there. God gave us horses to help us and be our friends, if the world wasn't so fucked up and in their fantasy land, we'd be doing what we're suppose to and enjoying life, and enjoying life with our fellow creatures, the loving horse.
Starving would love to have access to fresh vegetables and fruit, along with grains. Yes, every animal should be treated with love and care. The other stuff is just too radical for me. Other wise, I am glad for the changes you want to make in your life. The dead horses will not go to feed the starving, but you have already had that debate. I wonder if you aren't the devil's advocate here.
Being physically and psychologically abused in not better than starving to death. I wouldn't want someone to save me that way. I am so tired of hearing how these horses are being saved.
The ban would prevent these horses from going to Mexico and Canada, for the most part, wouldn't it. It isn't either or or. If we had slaughter houses in the US, it would encourage people to breed more not less. They need to become more responsible now. We should be dealing with the surplus horses in other ways. I don't think slaughter houses in the US is the solution for all the reasons in the video.
@AzDreamCatchers check out Benny, the slaughter house horse on you tube. Thank God for this kind of mindset on what to do with a il mannered throw away horse. Benny and his rider are amazing. Thank God for people who believe in real good in life. Horse processing is cruel. I am for more Bennys and more like his person.
@AzDreamCatchers check out Benny, the slaughter house horse on you tube. Thank God for this kind of mindset on what to do with a il mannered throw away horse.
I know what you feel when you look at a horse and romanticize about them. I have felt this too! They are elegant creatures that words can't describe. This is what I found out. Horse processing is actually very beneficial to both the economy and all industries. I do have to say more thorough research should have been complete, not all facts in this video. My only question is this, where are you going to put the 90,000 horses that are now neglected/abused but could have been food for someone else?
@AzDreamCatchers God help you and all those who think like you that anything is acceptable as long as there's a profit in it. Food for a bunch of self-indulgent European assholes? LMAO. Worse reason yet for reopening horse slaughterhouses in the US. As for the 90,000 abused and neglected, I'd personally volunteer to shoot them all in the head rather than see them go to slaughter. But the cruel truth is, those aren't the ones going to slaughter. It's the healthy, adoptable horses...
@Ladycastaneda Thank you and I know God is helping us and I hope he's helping you too. Because as it is our economy is going down the hill and this is one thing that can help it! The horse processing brought in billions of dollars to the US. People. Processing alone. But you'd shoot the horses but you wouldn't help others, that is pure selfishness. Oh, and how will you dispose of the bodies? It's because there's no slaughter that there are so many neglected horses. Ignorance is bliss.
@AzDreamCatchers Oh, I see your viewpoint now. Anything goes as long as you can make a buck, is that right? You would know about ignorance being bliss, wouldn't you? Your concern for the abused and neglected truly touches my heart. What a humane solution for the poor abused beasts! Let their last moments be filled with terror as well. I hope your death will be so kind. And you know that's a lie anyway. It's the young and healthy who go to slaughter and never get a chance at a good home.
@AzDreamCatchers really? a few hundred very low paying jobs, which the companies paid no taxes and casued great havoc in the comunities they were located in. Envrionmental problems, messes which the American taxpayers had to pay to clen up. There is no direct correlation between lack of slaughter houses in the US and abuse and neglect, why you may ask, because the same number of horses are still being slaughtered now as when the plants were open. Quite drinking the Sue Wallis koolaide.
@AzDreamCatchers What about all the dogs and cats??? We should start eating them, right? They could really feed a lot of people... And what about humane way to kill them? Ask your local pet shelter how they "destroy" pets: using a knife, knocking them off with whatever comes handy? Of course not! people would be outraged! but it's ok for horses, right?
I am 100% for America to reopen their slaughter houses. America has better standards of sluaghter and transportaion than mexico and there would be less stress on the animal if it wasn't traveling out of the country. I don't think people should eat them however because of the stuff put into horses isn't regulated like cattle and pigs. I don't understand why so many people r against it. people should breed less horses but until the population goes down slaughter saves horses from abandoment.
@IRaceBarrels What? How about remove all the stress and ban all of it. The whole purpose of slaughtering the horses is so that Sue Wallis can fill her pockets with money.
@moondnce27 So what should we do with all the extra horses. can you home them all and give them vet care? It would be great if there were more responsible breeds and we didn't need to slaughter horses. but right now we do and someone is getting paid for those horses. why can't it be america?
@IRaceBarrels You have horses to barrel race with, yet you think executing a horse is ok. Wow, what unbelievable selfishness from you for your hobby, instead of defending their right to live, you throw them away when you or others have used them up and have no further need or desire for them. I gather with such compassionless and selfishness you are a "Tea Party" member; you must be or should become one. Your beliefs are very similiar. -Paul Hester
@stopthekillingmadnes wrong sir. I think that every horse should live their whole life as best as can be provided. When the time to stop barrel racing comes they should either find a new job like teaching riders or be turned out to pastured and live out their golden years. however there are more horses than owners and not everyone can provide that or even to put down or feed them. that is were slaughter comes in.
@IRaceBarrels You have horses to barrel race with, yet you think executing a horse is ok. Wow, what unbelievable selfishness from you for your hobby, instead of defending their right to live, you throw them away when you or others have used them up and have no further need or desire for them. I gather with such compassionless and selfishness you are a "Tea Party" member; you must be or should become one. Your beliefs are very similiar. -Paul Hester
@IRaceBarrels There are only two reasons to be pro-slaughter: either you profit from it or you are a selfish self-centered human who believes you should be allowed to breed until you get the perfect horse for your own selfish self-centered reasons and you should have a cheap way to get rid of the rejects.
And saying US should reopen slaughterhouses because it has better standards than Mexico is a joke. There was plenty of documentation of the abuses within the US.
@Ladycastaneda Yes some horses get abused slaughtered here but ALL get abused in mexico. There is an over population of horses and until the day comes when resposible breeding brings down those numbers, slaughter is a way out of a slow death for abanded unwanted horses. I think they should raise the bar for standards of us slaughter to though. Like i said before, some one is getting money for it why can't it be america
@IRaceBarrels Just wondering....how many have you sent to slaughter? Or how many of your rejects were sold at auction who went to a killer buyer? Do you know? Just what do you do with your horses that don't perform as well as you would like? Or the ones who are too old to perform?
@Ladycastaneda None. I have the money to provide for the whole life of my horse. I don't need slaughter for my own animals. I wouldn't own a horse that didn't do what I need ( and thats not much because I'm not super good at racing). You shop around for the perfect horse, then you keep them. WOW crazy I know. slaughter shouldn't be a trash can for slow horses. it should be an outlet for unwanted ones that would other wise starve in a feild.
@IRaceBarrels, America's lack of enforcement of those "standards" is what shut them down in the first place. A horse should never travel in a double-decker, period. Since you are a rodeo supporter, I hardly think your opinion has ANY animal's best interest at heart. Horse populations will never go down, as long as the AQHA keeps supporting horse slaughter. How are pigs, fed antibiotics, ractopamine and arsenic, and cows, fed the same, and chickens, ditto, any "better" than eating horse?
@AnimalLeftist You're righ.t I change any and all of my views on the matter. every animal should be loved. I'm going to go teach bears and starving childern to become vegan . thank you for showing me the light. I will no long barrel race using a bridle saddle or spurs. because they r mean. I'm going to join peta and spend my time killing puppies to say lives. then I will blow up all the slaughter houses in the world, so no animal will ever die again.
@IRaceBarrels, wow, overreact much? I eat meat, I support my Canadian agricultural sector, I am old enough to question how my tax dollars are being spent. Canadians are now slaughtering YOUR US horses, in addition to our own. Your own crappy standards let you down. It has everything to do with the easy availability of crap horses, again, thanks AQHA & TB's & all the other bottom feeder breeders that over produce. Neglect happens without a crappy economy. One can be rich, and still be an asshat.
@AnimalLeftist Go Canada! Is there a CQHA? BTW thank you for slaughtering our horses that means less go to mexico. In fact if they would close the border to mexico for horses and kept it open to canada I don't think I would mind much that US slaughter houses were shut down. While I still wish we could reopen with better standards, at lease I could sleep easy knowing Canada is taking care of it.
@IRaceBarrels, Canada's laws are just about as slack as yours, and Mexico actually has SOME reputable (pukes) facilities now. As in, they at least try to kill them on the first shot, not carve them up first. Look to your right, see the videos by Twyla Francois? Videos taken inside a Canadian horse slaughter facility. Oh, yeah, we're GREAT at it. Not... The bottom line is, it just isn't cost efficient to make horse slaughter a "humane" fact. So, it. isn't.
@AnimalLeftist Canada shoot horses, mexico stabs them, and america tries to kill them like cattle. death in general isn't humane. Can you eat horse meat up there? I'm so bord of talking about this. Can I just make a funny joke about Canadians rioting of hockey and seal clubs?
@AnimalLeftist I've never met my father. I was raised by my grandma and I'm not really into bling. Most barrel races don't go on at rodeos anyway. only the really good people go there. most are in small gameing shows. I've NEVER been in a rodeo. To them yes, in them no. I'm not that good. yet.
Sorry for kicking my horse a few times on the way home, its not like I sencelessly beat them. Do you ride?
@AnimalLeftist I've never met my father. I was raised by my grandma and I'm not really into bling. Most barrel races don't go on at rodeos anyway. only the really good people go there. most are in small gameing shows. I've NEVER been in a rodeo. To them yes, in them no. I'm not that good. yet.
Sorry for kicking my horse a few times on the way home, its not like I sencelessly beat them. Do you ride?
@IRaceBarrels With all due respect, please study carefully the objective reports of kill methods for equine. There are no methods available that allow horse slaughter to be humane. The horror of the slaughter process and the unacceptable rate of failure upon first kill attempt is simply unimaginable for any compassionate human to consider. STOP IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDING. Slaughter is not an acceptable method of population control; not for humans, not for animals.
@Etruscan1 slaughter works pretty good for cows haha jk. In all reality only responsible breed can make things such as slaughter unneed. but seeing as America SUCKS at population control in ANY form. That is going to take a while. We still have 4 million dogs and cats put down each year and people can't even control their own breeding. I know a bolt gun isnt perfect. that is why I say they should perfect a way to slaughter equine before reopening us slaughter houses.
@TheRangerLove Oh yes, slaughter is putting a horse out of it's misery? Malarcky. If a horse is suffering, then euthanise or use a bullet, never subject a horse to the inhumanities of horse slaughter. Besides 92% of the horses that are slaughtered are not starving not neglected, the are young, sound, healthy horses, contrary to what Sue Wallis would have you believe. That number is per the USDA.
@IRaceBarrels You are correct on two statements, people shouldn't eat the meat because it isn't regulated and is toxic, and people should breed less horses. Supply and demand, however the breeders want to continue breeding and as long as slaughter exists over breeding will exist. Slaughter is the dumping ground for bad breeders. The USDA has documentation of the cruelty perpetuated against horses in the US slaughter houses. SLaughter is not humane.
Why can't we just see that this is wrong? Why is it that they have to be considered pets for us to see that this is wrong? No horse should be subjected to this treatment, no matter what you value you put on that horse.
It is wrong what you say. Obviously, you have never had a cow, sheep or other like animal as a pet. They do make connections with humans. They cry for weeks looking for their babies if they are snatched away. I wish people would stop with that argument. It isn't a valid one. Horses that are treated like cattle probably wouldn't make a connection with humans either. That horses suffer more when being slaughtered is a very valid argument though.
I don't wish ill of people, but in this case I cannot help but hope that ANYONE that consumes horsemeat discovers one of the reasons WHY horses should not be slaughtered - the medications and wormers and other things used to keep our PET HORSES HEALTHY is TOXIC TO HUMANS. So if you don't care about the horses, THINK ABOUT WHO MAY BE EATING THEM.....
I know for a fact, where I live, euthanizing a horse and burying it is no more expensive than euthanizing and burying a large dog. And so what if it's more?? IT'S YOUR PET. WE DO NOT EAT PETS. And I for one really hate breeders who breed, breed, breed and then cast off all the unwanted babies. AQHA APHA I'm talking to YOU. The racing industry is another in the group that adds way to many horses to the "unwanted" pile, and members of ALL these groups are PRO horse slaughter. Sickening.
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Equine slaughter is no different than is poultry, bovine, swine or any other slaughter. Due to the fact you are taking the life of a living being it is ugly. However, it is needed. As a general rule horse owners can't dispose of a horse once it dies or has to be put down. There was no public outcry against processing horses until it was highly publicized that the meat was being used for human consumption. Where were all the AR groups when the meat was going for dog food or to feed large cats?
@bjdb64 dog food companies as a rule quite using horsemeat in dog food in the 70s, there are disposal means for horse that owners have euthanised and that could be one of two ways, chemical euthanasia with sedative and or a bullet by someone with experience and knowledge both when done correctly are painless. Equine slaughter is different because equine are different both in anatomy and in flight responses. And equines brain sits back further than a cows and respond differently.
@moondnce27 Yes equine slaughter is different, just as swine slaughter is different from cattle. Yet both cattle and swine are processed in the same processing facilities. The captive bolt is substantially longer in equine processing facilities and the effect is the same as a well placed bullet. Many horse owners do not have options on disposal of the carcass due to EPA guidelines. Many can't bury the horse on their property and few have the option of landfill either, disposal is a large issue.
@bjdb64 Wrong, it is not economically feassible to slaughter only horses, most of the slaughter plants that were in the US were multi species.. The capitve bolt was not designed for horses but for cattle. Temple Grandin says slaughter is not a good option and until someone designs a head restraint for horses and changes the ways things were done it's not an option. I agree with her, but I take it a further step...It is never an option. Horses have different flight instincts from cattle.
@bjdb64 No, it isn't. Your vet can give you info on this in your area. What do you suppose they do with THEIR horses when they die? No, the captive-bolt is NOT longer in equine plants - at least they weren't in the US. Swine and cattle are much more like each other than either are like horses. Both have short, straight necks. Horses have long, upright necks which make both cattle trucks and the captive-bolt unsuitable for horses. Cattle/pigs are not prey animals & don't have a flight response.
@MorganLver I don't know where you got your information concerning cattle not being prey animals and not having a flight response, but it is erroneous. If cattle do not have a flight response then please explain to me why the herd will stampede at threat from dogs, coyotes, wolves etc? Why will cattle, when they can no longer flee, circle the herd and place the weaker and younger of the herd in the center protected by the stronger and more dominant herd members?
@bjdb64 What you are referring to is herd behavior. That is certainly not to say that they can't be frightened, for crying' out loud! But isn't at all the same. That's why the captive bolt works well with cattle with proper head restraint. The captive-bolt is unsuitable for horses because they panic, throwing their heads around, making a decent shot impossible and also making the use of head restraints impossible although head restraints are MANDATED by law. That's the flight response. Get it?
@bjdb64 Primer 101, Temple Grandin - "Animals Make us Human" Horses and cattle are flight animals, but their responses are different. She clearly delinates the differences between the two animals. She also states that the slaughter is not a good option that horses are made crazy by their owners and that given their different flight instincts without a good head restraint you cannot humanely slaughter a horse.
@bjdb64 Most people didn't KNOW about horse slaughter when KenL Ration was killing thousands of our wild horses to put in their dog food. I certainly didn't, but then, I'm not AR. Never have been and never will be, and I'm getting sick and tired of being called an "animal rights extremest." when I'm not an animal rights anything. Sue Wallis and her crowd however are definitely pro-slaughter extremists. Why else would she carry on that bute is safe for humans to eat? That's extreme!
I have a question. If someone killed your pet (dog, cat, etc), fried it in a skillet, dashed some salt on it, would you eat it? I'm thinking no. Horses aren't like cattle, cattle don't make connections to humans. Horses make herds, which means they understand the concept of family. They show devotion, just like dogs. They have enough higher thought to override their baser instincts.
Why do you think horses always need something to bond with? They like to socialize, make friends.
@sesshomarujc I clearly stated previously I am not a "horse eater". Horses are no different in herding instinct than are cattle, sheep, goats etc., they all form bonds. This is America, we are free to choose what we want to consume. I am seriously wondering where common sense went. When did our animals become the same level as human life? Seriously? I can't believe half the comments being thrown my way! I refuse to respond to irrational comments such as those of the killing of my pet /frying it.
@bjdb64 Really? you can legally eat cats and dogs in the US? No you cannot. You have no qualms with introducing tainted meat into the food chain? Evidently not. In the USA we don't eat horses, we don't raise them for food. They are not a part of the food chain. The FDA classifies horses as companion animals. Period.
@bjdb64 Just because a lot of people didn't know about it. That is unfornately what happens. People get away with doing things. Had people have known, there would have been opposition to that too.
An industry that is infamous for abusing the food animals they handle doesn't hold much credibility for preventing abuse in another species they want to add.
@bjdb64 Thousands of horses die EVERY DAY in this country and their owners manage to deal with the remains - always have, always will. People do what they have to do except slaughter apologists. To hear them tell it, veterinarian performed euthanasia and disposal of the remains has somehow become something most horse owners can't/won't take care of, so slaughter is the only option, sob, sob. Crap.
It's the pro-slaughters that won't take care of their responsibilities because it doesn't PAY!
@MorganLver Where do you find the statistics to back up your statement that "Thousands of horses die EVERY DAY" ? I would truly be interested in knowing where such information can be found. I do not believe for one moment THOUSANDS of horses die every day in America. If that were fact, there would not be a single unturned piece of soil in the nation that didn't cover a dead horse. EPA regs in Arkansas state 1 horse may be buried per acre per year. Many areas you can't bury due to ground water.
@bjdb64 The exact number isn't the point! This better? MANY horses die every day and have for a VERY long time. In my 30+ years with horses I have KNOWN many horses that died. Many of those horses belonged to friends & acquaintances of mine. And in ALL those years with ALL those dead horses, I never ONCE head them bitching about how much it was going to cost!! None of us were wealthy, but somehow, when you best friends die, you tend not to think about money. None that I've ever known anyway.
That portrait of Slaughterhouse Sue, is before .....
A current portrait needs to be made showing the after-affects of eating the meat of America's equines. She is a gluttonous, crazed, horse eater who is misrepresenting the State of Wyoming.
That Butte will bite you in the backside, Sue and you have one double-decker that will take a custom box to fit.
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@pomeraniansrock, probably because the "anti's" can't carry on a civilized, intelligent conversation but instead have to resort to name calling & childish behavior. our whole idea is to get plants opened back up & all aspects of horse processing done with enforced humane policies, from sale barn, through transport - all the way until the animal is rendered brain dead.
@rapidjet98 No your whole idea is to line the pockets of Sue Wallis with money. Sue has plans already in the works for a plant and a mobile plant. Slaughter is not humane, it was designed for cattle not horses. Horses are inherently different, both in anatomy and in their flight reponses. At the Summitt, Dr. Grandin laid out the ONLY way it would be humane and no one to date has designed a head restraint. They stated the changes required are too expensive. GREED!
@rapidjet98 Why would re-opened slaughter plants be any more humane than they were the first time around? They were no better than Canada and EU authorized ones in Mexico-where most of our horses go. I guess you were never inside one of the US horse slaughter plants, were you? Doubledecker trucks and captive bolts that usually took several hits before a horse was stunned enough to go down. Even so, they often regained consciousness while strung up by one hind leg. I have seen it.
Just thought I'd point out the fact that this video -- posted by those "radical animal rights" activists -- allows comments, including those with dissenting opinions. Most of the videos posted by the pro-slaughter corporate hacks DO NOT allow comments. I wonder... what exactly are they afraid of?
@PomeraniansRock1 - Just hazarding a guess that the reason the Horsemeat shills don't allow comments on their video is because they know the lies can be so easily refuted with facts and common logic.
Thank God, 1) We are a Democracy. 2) Majority rules in USA thats a fact. 3)We do not, as a majority eat horses in this country 4) nor are they on the menu.5) We have closed the slaughter houses. 6) FDA states horses are a companion animal. 7)There is a revision request to the law in the Senate, to outlaw transportation for slaughter of horses. 1) Right now its legal to transport the horses to slaughter. I do believe that makes the score: 7-1 in favor of the Anti-slaughter folks. Amen..
If a horse is to dangerous to euthanize then it is much to dangerous to travel it to auction and then to a slaughter house, if it is that mad the horse needs to be shot there and then closely followed by the person who made it that mad.
United Horsemen really should change their name to United Horsemeat, because that is what they are about. Compassionate people need to strenuously oppose everything the United Horsemen stand for. Get cruelty out of the saddle; get United Horsemen outta town!
When I brought my first worse home I was told by the back to euthanize her or send her to auction the vet said she was unpredictable and had nevicular... I brought this horse home she was now my responsibility. Today 2 years later... she is my best friend, and 1 heck of a babysitter for my 2 year old daughter!!!!! People who slaughter should be slaughtered!!!! Don't get off course unless you can 100% commit yourself to that horse!!!
Maybe what Sue Wallis says persuades you, but please, listen again, or read again. This time whenever she says horse/burro say cat or dog instead. Every argument she makes would certainly apply to them, there are other nations who do consider our pets food. Also, please consider this: keeping the slaughterhouses closed gives EVERY community the incentive to find more humane solutions, reopening them makes it very unlikely to ever change.
@kvae304 , who writes, "whenever she [SueWallis] says horse/burro say cat or dog instead." Here's a better idea: whenever Ms. Wallis says horse/burro, say 'unwanted child or invalid', instead. People who are in favor of the legal slaughter of 'the unwanted' are rarely going to limit that favor to only 'quadrupeds'. That's what this discussion is about - slaughtering, rather than humanely euthanising, the unwanted. Why do some want legal slaughter of horses? Because HE cost about $250.
We shouldn't even be having this fight in this day and age. The reason behind all of this is pure GREED. As for those who say some horses are dangerous. Rescues like ours are going to say they are dangerous because of a human arse hole who mistreated them. I have never yet not been able to turn a horse around. It takes time, but they deserve whatever time it takes. It's because of the slight of man's hand that they are neglected, abused, starved or slaughtered. There is NO excuse for slaughter.
I think there is ambiguity on what to call a horse, livestock or companion animal, but in state of California, the law treats a horse as if it were a pet. I don't know of anywhere you can buy horse feed or hay that isn't taxed because of that fact.
@texascowgirl319 Yes they eat it in France, because they are just learning that the chemicals used to keep American horses alive are forbidden to be used in animals to be slaughtered for human consumption. Why because they make humans ill, aplastic anemia, birth defects, cancer. The FDA classifies horses as companion animals and the majority of horses in the use are owned for recreational purposes, not for work or to make a living.
@texascowgirl319 In addition, The EU has banned horses which have ever been given Bute in their lifetime. Horses in europe have passports which track every medication, chemcial etc they have ever recevied.I suggest before you call out the video for purported lies, you learn something first.
@moondnce27 Sorry to burst your bubble, on the 'European' horse passport, but if you think for a moment that 'every medication, chemical, etc' that has been administered to every European horse has been 'recorded', then you are living in a dream world. Many a horse is given medications that are 'banned' - and many others are given medications that are legal, but the administration is not recorded. It is the nature of people to circumvent rules, whether they are citizens of the USA or EU.
@ElkRiverRancher2 Excuse me, but what difference does that make? Just because someone else does it doesn't mean WE are going to do it too. At least there is some chance under the passport system - which by the way Canada is going to start enforcing next year. Positive ID from birth, no banned substances and a detailed medical record for EVERY horse presented for slaughter. This will be true for Mexico as well. There will be no more dumping of horses with no ID. Then what are you all going to do?
@MorganLver If you mean the 'Passport' issue, my point is there are always people who will undermine 'rules' - so having a 'passport' does not mean that a horse presented for slaughter/consumption will actually be 'free' of banned/dangerous substances. The only answer, imho, is NO slaughter of ANY horses. Owners, Breeders, should all be required to keep in escrow a sufficient amount of money for humane euthanasia. Once humanely euthanised, the carcass is of no concern.
@ElkRiverRancher2 Believe it or not, I'm well aware that the passport system is not perfect - far from it, but it's what the EU uses and it's what they are going to require of American horses by next year. Of course the only 100% protection is not to eat horses. But, that is not happening and probably never will in the countries that consider them a food animal.
Meanwhile,US horses will have to provide a passport system or something similar to be able to be sold for slaughter. Impossible.
@ElkRiverRancher2 I wasn't saying they don't. In fact, in a report from 2008-I think-the EU found banned substances in most checks, but horse meat had more than any other animal.
My point was that US horses don't have any tracking system at all, and IF Americans want to continue slaughtering their horses, they will have to comply with the passport system - with all the record keeping and permanent IDs that it requires.
I agree that the only way to be safe is to stop eating horses at all.
@MorganLver AMericans will not passport their horses, but everyone seems to forget. Bottom line, the substances are banned from horses intended for human slaughter. The FDA has not established withdrawal times because they classify horses as companion animals, not food animals. Horses are not raised in this country for food. Pharma companies are not going to run the clinical trials necessary, why?A live horse requires more products than a dead horse. Translates into money for Pharma
@moondnce27 Agreed, but i'm not criticizing them for not running unnecessary tests. :) Yes, people lose sight of that bottom line. Also, people simply will not understand why cattle can use ivermectin but it's banned in horses. They keep saying, "It's the same chemical!" Doesn't matter. The required studies have not been done in horses and ANY products for which those studies have not been run is banned permanently. Man! I don't write the rules - I'm just the messenger.
Horses are not raised for consumption in the U.S. If that was the case, there would be more codes for slaughtering them. Horses are companion animals, even according to the FDA. EU has forbid any U.S horsemeat from being imported because they may contain chemicals like bute which can cause organ failure in humans if digested. Nature can be cruel, but humans should have morals & also laws need to be heavily inforced when it comes to neglect & suffering to any animal.
Common sense, like logic can change horse slaughter history. Let's get 'er done!
Visit Horses as National Treasure. Mail or fax petitions. Stephanie M Sellers with Horses as National Treasure has received letters from Senators who like the idea, but it needs more attention.
When I read a letter or article by Sue Wallace, I got on ugly picture of what a horse man was interested in. I got the feeling they were more interested in the new saddle or new trailer, rather than in the horse. Maybe, that is true. I also got the feeling that people who were anit slaughter didn't have any idea about horses. Seems really odd since many have their own. I don't understand how people can buy what she is selling.
@manoroaks You are not far off- the people out there promoting slaughter of horses for human consumption do seem to use the personal property argument quite a bit. They view horses as possessions, not partners. However, just because they own a car they cannot abandon it on the side of the road, they cannot dump toxic waste in their yard because its their yard and they cannot burn down their house because its theirs There are limits and laws to what is are allowed.We need to pass S1176 now.
@manoroaks Some people who own horses are woefully ignorant and are easy prey for skillful liars like Sue Wallis and crew. Education is THE key. That's why we are working ourselves half to death posting the truth to counter all the disinformation that the pro-slaughter extremists are pumping out. They are backed by some very deep pockets that have a strangle hold on DC. That's why it's taken years and we still don't have a law against it passed. They kill them in Committee.
WOW ,got some Slaughterhouse Sue nuts on here! Euthanasia gone bad,only if you have a bad vet,been there done that and have never sen the adverse reactions some of you idiots are claiming! HMMM,a peaceful sleep followed by a shot to send to the hereafter VS bolt to the head any of you slaughter advocates want to trade places with good healthy horses,(because of backyard breeders or overbreeders) want to take their place and report back;that's probably a no right?
Horse breeders have become equine equivalents to puppy mill owners. These are living, breathing creatures for God sakes. Notice how many of these alleged horsemen are wearing crosses around their necks, praising God for their lives while they load horses for an abusive ride to their deaths?
True horsemen do not use slaughter as their garbage disposal.
@rancherjongus The only real worthless creatures are those who have a human soul and do nothing to stop the over-breeding and abject abuse of a innocent creature of God. I no longer call any horse owner who believes slaughter is an okay way to get rid of the greedy or the lazy's excess, a horseman. It is 2011 for God's sake, evolve.
@MegaJetgirl Horsemen were taking best care of there stock they could prior to the ban. After the ban however they became worthless. That's to no fault of the horseman. That's fault lies to the special interest groups who spread false lies of what is actually happening in these slaughter houses. A good horse producer is producing stock is worth something but after you get rid of the base value of the horse more horses suffer
@rancherjongus LOL we still give them the best care. We lose money left right and center but they don't need to suffer for our choices, in my opinion. We just slowly downsized our herd and breed only limited stock (5-3) a year. Easy peasy in my opinion. But then lost of responsible breeders do that. Its the person with the fugly stallion who wants to breed it to their friend's fugly mare to have this fugly foal. You can't stop those.
@rancherjongus No, the blame lies with the large breeders over producing for quantity instead of quality. breed subsidies and breed registries like the AQHA. They wanted to be the large breed registry in the country well they are and now what good does it do them? We have an economy that has tanked. Quite over breeding and the numbers will go back down. Also the numbers of horses which have gone to slaughter have not decreased since the defunding. SO your argument is a logical fallacy.
@rancherjongus THERE IS NO BAN! Have you ever been inside a horse slaughter plant? NO! Because if you had, you would know what we say aren't lies. I've been there and I saw what I saw - and it was bloody HELL! So don't even start. Why would horses suddenly become worthless because domestic plants closed? What did that have to do with anything? Since we're actually slaughtering MORE horses now that we were before, I don't think that could have ANYTHING to do with it. YOU are the liar.
@rancherjongus Typical Pro slaughter tactic- blame everyone but yourself for your "industry" woes. Is the issue that you and your friends have been caught red handed overproducing, trying to pawn off your unwanted animals as food for humans and abusing animals. Dont blame the agencies that are catching the abuses-they are not the ones on the videos committing the offenses.
@MegaJetgirl True breeders don't do it for the money. I know we don't. Slaughter needs to be there for the unwanted and unusable or dangerous. We have shelters that take unwanted dogs and dangerous dogs and put them down. Why can't we have that for horses? Why can't we have a place that takes in ALL of theses unwanted, unusable or dangerous horses and euthanize them. We certainly can't use Chem Euth. Then we would have to spend hours incinerating or burying the toxic remains.
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth = educate yourself! .. There is ALSO a movement to stop over breeding of dogs and cats, too. So that they do not end up in kill shelters. Animals are not made for our own entertainment. It's disgusting how you think that you can use them, and then when you think they are of no value to you, you can discard them as a useless piece of trash. Shame on you. They have feelings and a soul. Do you?
@voxgirl True breeders are preventing breeding of horses, we breed for the market. We neuter the colts. Nothing we can do about the fillies but its a start. Not to mention we keep in contact with every person we sell too. We are pushing along a solution. What are you doing to help? We have never discarded a horse because we cannot use it. The two horses sent to the plant were dangerous to people. They were born dangerous and stayed dangerous. A good horse always has a use.
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth Ya know, all you say is really pointless since you live in Canada. We are discussing American horses. We AMERICANS, do not want our horses to go to slaughter. Period. Get the point?
@moondnce27 Hmm then we are on the same page then. We certainly don't want you horses being slaughtered up here either but remember, if they aren't slaughtered up here then its off to Mexico for them. But you can do what you want becuase I honestly don't want the American horses up here becuase that destroyed our horse market. We are finally getting our market back since the regulations put int effect and the crack downs on the border. Don't want them. Period. Do you get the point?
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth Perhaps you need to go back and read....we don't want them to go to slaughter period. And that is what S 1176 will do, make it illegal and stop them from being transported across the border for slaughter.
@moondnce27 For some strange reason, youtube is going spastic on comments. It says someone replied and I can't find the reply and it jumbled all of my comments. I do believe that you want to end slaughter of horses period. I on the other hand, would like to have the option as a last resort for people who have no other options. I honestly don't think it should be used the way it does, it is a gross misuse of the system as it stands. But it can be overhauled and restricted.
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth we also don't believe that chemical euthanasia is the only option, a bullet, if done properly by someone who knows what they are doing, is as effective and much better than slaughter. Slaughter should never be an option. Slaughter in this country was nothing like you see in England either. No would it be because people here involved are greedy.
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth You should have euthanized those two! How many times had you wormed those two? Ever give bute? Used fly spray? It you did, even ONCE, those horses were not safe for humans to eat and you do NOT have the right to sell a horse for food if you know it have been contaminated with banned substances. Not to mention the suffering those horses went through. Just because they didn't like humans didn't give you leave to send them to such a horrific death. What is the MATTER with you?
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth You are NUTS. Even is ALL the horses that go to slaughter would die if not for being slaughtered - which they would NOT - it's still 1% of the total horse population. A drop in the bucket. If you had ever actually been to an auction you would know that the horses you describe are NOT the ones the killers buy. They are buying fat, young horses to feed to people for God's sake! You don't see cattlemen dragging in old, skinny, sick cows. Idiotic argument and I'm sick of ti.
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth Yeah, there is a place for unwanted dogs and cats, the pound, where they are humanely euthanized, not slaughtered. If u don't have enough land to humanely euthanize and bury your horse, then u don't have enough land to be a horse owner. And those 2 dangerous horses that u sent to the plant, what kind of vax, meds, etc had they had throughout their lifetime? There are 2 moral problems with horse slaughter, the inhumane treatment AND the fact that the meat is unfit for food.
@rancherjongus There is NO ban. Never was. We are slaughtering even more than before the domestic plants closed. They just to to Canada or Mexico - which, by the way, always took quite a percentage of our horses. Any what would the closing of domestic plants have to do with how many horses were "deemed" worthless?
First of all. The feed lots that slaughtered horses go to are the ones that are starved by the cruel greedy kill buyers. Second fact is that I live in an area where there are many horse farms and boarding stables all of which are healthy, not one skinny horse for miles. The reason why horses are starved is because of the faulty care of owners who are senile or people with dementia or too poor and irresponsible to help them find new homes or they are just cruel, evil horse owners.
TheChrisbk 2 months ago
@TheChrisbk First the horses the KBs want are the young, healthy, sound horses. More money by the pound. They don't want to buy horses they have to fatten up, not cost effective. Horses are and have been neglected for various reason, lack of knowledge, idiots, sudden change of finances, many have turned their horses loose because they don't want to take them to the auction for fear they will go to slaughter. There are many options in place, Shelter in Place programs, rescues, hay banks, etc.
moondnce27 2 months ago
@TheChrisbk The skinny horse in the feedlots and or holding pens are usually the rejects. They still belong to the Hauler/KB and they don't want them back. Prime example was Presidio TX. C4 Cattle CO. horses in the back pens being starved because they don't want to spend money feeding them because they can't sell them to slaughter. Dumped in the dry river bed, etc.
moondnce27 2 months ago
America loses it's honor as free country. It's like the Salem witch trials. John Adams tried to preserve it when he defended those British soldiers at the Boston Massacre, and now we need to take a stand and realize that it's not just lives that are being lost, it's our reputation.
zeeprincessa 2 months ago
MY saying; ~For things to really improve in the horse industry, the horse slaughter easy button must go away.~ A Change is needed!! .....SUPPORT BILL C-322 in CANADA! Don,t use and abuse innocent animals. Leave them alone. Theres enough food on this earth and Horses are Pets. Can,t feed them Don,t breed them!!
xx1527 3 months ago 4
@xx1527 Not sure about what you're talking about.... We, here in Quebec and Alberta slaughter not only our own horses but US too! and look at how we do it under words like "richelieu slaughterhouse"...barbarians, that's what we are.
21noella 1 month ago
@21noella Excuse me. May I? WHO said we only slaughter Horses from Canada? When 60% come from our neighbors in the US!? thank-you
xx1527 1 week ago
@xx1527 Perhaps you should watch the video again. The video was made in direct response to once created by the United Horsemen, to dispel the myths the perpetuate. No where in the video does it say you only slaughter horses from Canada.
moondnce27 1 week ago
We only borrow freedom from horses, its about time we give their freedom back.
Slaughter to me is the very lazy way of not paying the vet what is it now 1 months worth of food for a horse? No kill buyer will buy a starving horse they will buy the fit and youngest horses for their best meat. horses have helped famous history people. Could Paul Revere warn the nation by foot? NO! he rode a horse!
Unicornmon 4 months ago
I love horses. However, the number of unwanted horses is insane. There are horses all over this country that are STARVING to death. If anyone who is Anti Slaughter could suggest a solution that Is economicaly POSSIBLE. please let uhear it ... because all you suggest is no slaughter... or less breeding ... which there needs to be less breeding but this is the land of the free and its not likely to be regulated
sadiemay14 4 months ago
@sadiemay14 As long as slaughter is an option, people will always overbreed. Slaughter is not humane, slaughter is for food production and we do not raise horses as food in this country. It's time that people and the breed registries took some responsibility for the foals they drop on the ground or encouraged to be breed for. The number one horse sent to slaughter, AQHA, who has encouraged for years to breed anything AQHA, now they have genetic problems and over breeding.
moondnce27 4 months ago
@moondnce27 Slaughter is more humane than starving to death, I see more horses now than ever that are being neglected. There are too many horses and more and more people cannot afford to feed them. I heard of someone that shot weanling foals because they couldnt afford to feed them and couldnt give them away. Yes I was furious too. Idiots that over breed will continue to over breed because they still dont care. Closing slaughter has put the responsible and reputable breeders out of business.
sadiemay14 4 months ago
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sadiemay14 4 months ago
@moondnce27 More so than the non responsible breeders.So now there will be a drastic change in quality.
sadiemay14 4 months ago
@sadiemay14 I agree...this is a terrible video....they offer no solution....the real fact is that there are thousands of horses suffering from neglect and abuse. I wish horse people would wake up and stop being so emotional about this......it's a real problem ... take a drive through the western US, and see all the horses that have been ditched off onto the BLM to fend for themselves.....it's not pretty. Slaughter that is regulated by the USA is a much more humane way to die.
16beaubeau 4 months ago
@16beaubeau the same number of horses are being slaughtered now as there were prior to the closure of the slaughterplants. We are looking at alternatives many of which are already in place, shelter in place for people who are facing economic problems so they don't have to abandon their horses. Many people refuse to take their horses to the auction for fear they will go to slaughter, even though it's wrong, they feel by abandoning them they will be rescued by AC or a rescue and saved.
moondnce27 3 months ago
@sadiemay14 you cannot say you love horses and be in favor of sending them to the horrible fate of slaughter. That is the height of hypocricy.
moondnce27 3 months ago
@moondnce27 please read carefully and answer my questions if you are going to call me a hipocate. well since you dont know me you really dont know what i feel about them. I do love them so much they are what my world revolves around. However, I would rather see one die a quick death than see one starve.Question 1. Would you rather horses all over this country that have no place to go starve? 2. What is your idea of a solution to the present over pop. problem? I still have not heard a solution.
sadiemay14 3 months ago
@moondnce27 There are not enough rescues to save them all. Where do you get your information? How many horse sales have you been to? Because i have NEVER seen so many starving animals in my life! horses that are too weak to stand for long periods. well over 70% of the horses going through sales in TN are extreamly skinny. A killer buyer would never buy them.Since all of the slaughter houses are closed in the US horses are transported farther and subjected to VERY unregulated slaughter! Good job!
sadiemay14 3 months ago
@moondnce27 to all of you who wanted the best for slaughter bound horses... if what moondnce27 says is true and the same number go to slaughter... you have all made their deaths even more terrible and tragic. Also, since the vast majority of sale horses are poor, only the ones that have been well cared for go to killers. Because even broke horses are cheap enough now to be bought for slaughter at- 125- 300$ and tell us moondnce what are you doing to help those neglected as a result of over pop.?
sadiemay14 3 months ago
@sadiemay14 Well let's see Sadiemay14, I have rescued two over the last two months, OTTB dumped fresh from the track, rehomed two horses just this week. both are being transported this weekend to their forever homes. What are you doing to stop the over breeding? Killers are buying everything right now, because the know the doors will be closing soon.
moondnce27 3 months ago
@moondnce27 once again you have NOT answered all of my questions. What do you think are happening to all of the horses that were bound for slaughter? They are starving. Would you rather them starve? You know in the past 4 or 5 years there has been a tremendous increase in horse neglect and abuse. What am I doing to prevent over breeding ? The only thing anyone can do ... not breed. Once again Please suggest an economical or possible solution to overpopulation. You cant because there isnt one.
sadiemay14 3 months ago
@sadiemay14 : Get your facts straight, visit the holding pens in Presidio, spend a day at the auction at Sugar Creek, visit a slaughterhouse (any sort will do, beef or chicken, equally hideous), then -- once again -- get your facts straight, Starving horses are rejected by the buyers. They purchase fat, healthy animals. "The problem" is human greed. If you have a horse you cannot afford to keep, you CAN find a vet to put it down. Or grow the b*lls to shoot it. I
LJBroussard 1 month ago
@LJBroussard EXACTLY!!!! I totally agree with you.
21noella 1 month ago
@moondnce27 Forever homes are a nice thought but you cant guarantee someone will honor that. They could lose a job get sick or die... leaving a horse uncared for or having to be sold. The doors are not as close to being closed as you may think ... research before you gloat! Go to the United horseman website and look at the new news
sadiemay14 3 months ago
@moondnce27 because sadiemay14 the hippocrate is doing all she can possibly do to save those she finds starving todeath. At great person cost and will continue to do it. But I cannot save them all , if I could I would. So think .. just because you are absolutly sure you are right doesnt mean somone is a hippocrate for having a different belief. thanks!
sadiemay14 3 months ago
horses are magical creatures with big loving hearts. If there is a hell, anyone who kills a horse will go there. God gave us horses to help us and be our friends, if the world wasn't so fucked up and in their fantasy land, we'd be doing what we're suppose to and enjoying life, and enjoying life with our fellow creatures, the loving horse.
Shiretb 4 months ago
Call your congress people to support H.R.2966, the corresponding bill to ban horse slaughter. It has 59 sponsers..
manoroaks 5 months ago
Starving would love to have access to fresh vegetables and fruit, along with grains. Yes, every animal should be treated with love and care. The other stuff is just too radical for me. Other wise, I am glad for the changes you want to make in your life. The dead horses will not go to feed the starving, but you have already had that debate. I wonder if you aren't the devil's advocate here.
manoroaks 5 months ago
Does Sue Wallis race barrels or does she just provide the quarter horses for it?
manoroaks 5 months ago
Could some one tell me the status of the slaughter house bill? Pardon my ignorance. Is there still time to contact senators?
manoroaks 5 months ago
Could some one tell me the status of the slaughter house bill? Pardon my ignorance. Is there still time to contact senators?
manoroaks 5 months ago
Being physically and psychologically abused in not better than starving to death. I wouldn't want someone to save me that way. I am so tired of hearing how these horses are being saved.
manoroaks 5 months ago
The ban would prevent these horses from going to Mexico and Canada, for the most part, wouldn't it. It isn't either or or. If we had slaughter houses in the US, it would encourage people to breed more not less. They need to become more responsible now. We should be dealing with the surplus horses in other ways. I don't think slaughter houses in the US is the solution for all the reasons in the video.
manoroaks 5 months ago
@AzDreamCatchers check out Benny, the slaughter house horse on you tube. Thank God for this kind of mindset on what to do with a il mannered throw away horse. Benny and his rider are amazing. Thank God for people who believe in real good in life. Horse processing is cruel. I am for more Bennys and more like his person.
manoroaks 5 months ago
@AzDreamCatchers check out Benny, the slaughter house horse on you tube. Thank God for this kind of mindset on what to do with a il mannered throw away horse.
manoroaks 5 months ago
check out Benny, the slaughter house horse on you tube, couldn't post link here.
manoroaks 5 months ago
I know what you feel when you look at a horse and romanticize about them. I have felt this too! They are elegant creatures that words can't describe. This is what I found out. Horse processing is actually very beneficial to both the economy and all industries. I do have to say more thorough research should have been complete, not all facts in this video. My only question is this, where are you going to put the 90,000 horses that are now neglected/abused but could have been food for someone else?
AzDreamCatchers 5 months ago
@AzDreamCatchers God help you and all those who think like you that anything is acceptable as long as there's a profit in it. Food for a bunch of self-indulgent European assholes? LMAO. Worse reason yet for reopening horse slaughterhouses in the US. As for the 90,000 abused and neglected, I'd personally volunteer to shoot them all in the head rather than see them go to slaughter. But the cruel truth is, those aren't the ones going to slaughter. It's the healthy, adoptable horses...
Ladycastaneda 5 months ago
@Ladycastaneda Thank you and I know God is helping us and I hope he's helping you too. Because as it is our economy is going down the hill and this is one thing that can help it! The horse processing brought in billions of dollars to the US. People. Processing alone. But you'd shoot the horses but you wouldn't help others, that is pure selfishness. Oh, and how will you dispose of the bodies? It's because there's no slaughter that there are so many neglected horses. Ignorance is bliss.
AzDreamCatchers 5 months ago
@AzDreamCatchers Oh, I see your viewpoint now. Anything goes as long as you can make a buck, is that right? You would know about ignorance being bliss, wouldn't you? Your concern for the abused and neglected truly touches my heart. What a humane solution for the poor abused beasts! Let their last moments be filled with terror as well. I hope your death will be so kind. And you know that's a lie anyway. It's the young and healthy who go to slaughter and never get a chance at a good home.
Ladycastaneda 5 months ago
@AzDreamCatchers really? a few hundred very low paying jobs, which the companies paid no taxes and casued great havoc in the comunities they were located in. Envrionmental problems, messes which the American taxpayers had to pay to clen up. There is no direct correlation between lack of slaughter houses in the US and abuse and neglect, why you may ask, because the same number of horses are still being slaughtered now as when the plants were open. Quite drinking the Sue Wallis koolaide.
moondnce27 4 months ago
@AzDreamCatchers The facts in this video were gathered by the USDA, the FDA and the EU.
moondnce27 3 months ago
@AzDreamCatchers What about all the dogs and cats??? We should start eating them, right? They could really feed a lot of people... And what about humane way to kill them? Ask your local pet shelter how they "destroy" pets: using a knife, knocking them off with whatever comes handy? Of course not! people would be outraged! but it's ok for horses, right?
21noella 1 month ago
I am 100% for America to reopen their slaughter houses. America has better standards of sluaghter and transportaion than mexico and there would be less stress on the animal if it wasn't traveling out of the country. I don't think people should eat them however because of the stuff put into horses isn't regulated like cattle and pigs. I don't understand why so many people r against it. people should breed less horses but until the population goes down slaughter saves horses from abandoment.
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels What? How about remove all the stress and ban all of it. The whole purpose of slaughtering the horses is so that Sue Wallis can fill her pockets with money.
moondnce27 5 months ago
@moondnce27 So what should we do with all the extra horses. can you home them all and give them vet care? It would be great if there were more responsible breeds and we didn't need to slaughter horses. but right now we do and someone is getting paid for those horses. why can't it be america?
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels You have horses to barrel race with, yet you think executing a horse is ok. Wow, what unbelievable selfishness from you for your hobby, instead of defending their right to live, you throw them away when you or others have used them up and have no further need or desire for them. I gather with such compassionless and selfishness you are a "Tea Party" member; you must be or should become one. Your beliefs are very similiar. -Paul Hester
stopthekillingmadnes 5 months ago
@stopthekillingmadnes wrong sir. I think that every horse should live their whole life as best as can be provided. When the time to stop barrel racing comes they should either find a new job like teaching riders or be turned out to pastured and live out their golden years. however there are more horses than owners and not everyone can provide that or even to put down or feed them. that is were slaughter comes in.
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels You have horses to barrel race with, yet you think executing a horse is ok. Wow, what unbelievable selfishness from you for your hobby, instead of defending their right to live, you throw them away when you or others have used them up and have no further need or desire for them. I gather with such compassionless and selfishness you are a "Tea Party" member; you must be or should become one. Your beliefs are very similiar. -Paul Hester
stopthekillingmadnes 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels There are only two reasons to be pro-slaughter: either you profit from it or you are a selfish self-centered human who believes you should be allowed to breed until you get the perfect horse for your own selfish self-centered reasons and you should have a cheap way to get rid of the rejects.
And saying US should reopen slaughterhouses because it has better standards than Mexico is a joke. There was plenty of documentation of the abuses within the US.
Ladycastaneda 5 months ago
@Ladycastaneda Yes some horses get abused slaughtered here but ALL get abused in mexico. There is an over population of horses and until the day comes when resposible breeding brings down those numbers, slaughter is a way out of a slow death for abanded unwanted horses. I think they should raise the bar for standards of us slaughter to though. Like i said before, some one is getting money for it why can't it be america
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels Just wondering....how many have you sent to slaughter? Or how many of your rejects were sold at auction who went to a killer buyer? Do you know? Just what do you do with your horses that don't perform as well as you would like? Or the ones who are too old to perform?
Ladycastaneda 5 months ago
@Ladycastaneda None. I have the money to provide for the whole life of my horse. I don't need slaughter for my own animals. I wouldn't own a horse that didn't do what I need ( and thats not much because I'm not super good at racing). You shop around for the perfect horse, then you keep them. WOW crazy I know. slaughter shouldn't be a trash can for slow horses. it should be an outlet for unwanted ones that would other wise starve in a feild.
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels, America's lack of enforcement of those "standards" is what shut them down in the first place. A horse should never travel in a double-decker, period. Since you are a rodeo supporter, I hardly think your opinion has ANY animal's best interest at heart. Horse populations will never go down, as long as the AQHA keeps supporting horse slaughter. How are pigs, fed antibiotics, ractopamine and arsenic, and cows, fed the same, and chickens, ditto, any "better" than eating horse?
AnimalLeftist 5 months ago
@AnimalLeftist You're righ.t I change any and all of my views on the matter. every animal should be loved. I'm going to go teach bears and starving childern to become vegan . thank you for showing me the light. I will no long barrel race using a bridle saddle or spurs. because they r mean. I'm going to join peta and spend my time killing puppies to say lives. then I will blow up all the slaughter houses in the world, so no animal will ever die again.
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels, wow, overreact much? I eat meat, I support my Canadian agricultural sector, I am old enough to question how my tax dollars are being spent. Canadians are now slaughtering YOUR US horses, in addition to our own. Your own crappy standards let you down. It has everything to do with the easy availability of crap horses, again, thanks AQHA & TB's & all the other bottom feeder breeders that over produce. Neglect happens without a crappy economy. One can be rich, and still be an asshat.
AnimalLeftist 5 months ago
@AnimalLeftist Go Canada! Is there a CQHA? BTW thank you for slaughtering our horses that means less go to mexico. In fact if they would close the border to mexico for horses and kept it open to canada I don't think I would mind much that US slaughter houses were shut down. While I still wish we could reopen with better standards, at lease I could sleep easy knowing Canada is taking care of it.
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels, Canada's laws are just about as slack as yours, and Mexico actually has SOME reputable (pukes) facilities now. As in, they at least try to kill them on the first shot, not carve them up first. Look to your right, see the videos by Twyla Francois? Videos taken inside a Canadian horse slaughter facility. Oh, yeah, we're GREAT at it. Not... The bottom line is, it just isn't cost efficient to make horse slaughter a "humane" fact. So, it. isn't.
AnimalLeftist 5 months ago
@AnimalLeftist Canada shoot horses, mexico stabs them, and america tries to kill them like cattle. death in general isn't humane. Can you eat horse meat up there? I'm so bord of talking about this. Can I just make a funny joke about Canadians rioting of hockey and seal clubs?
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
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AnimalLeftist 5 months ago
@AnimalLeftist I've never met my father. I was raised by my grandma and I'm not really into bling. Most barrel races don't go on at rodeos anyway. only the really good people go there. most are in small gameing shows. I've NEVER been in a rodeo. To them yes, in them no. I'm not that good. yet.
Sorry for kicking my horse a few times on the way home, its not like I sencelessly beat them. Do you ride?
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
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@AnimalLeftist I've never met my father. I was raised by my grandma and I'm not really into bling. Most barrel races don't go on at rodeos anyway. only the really good people go there. most are in small gameing shows. I've NEVER been in a rodeo. To them yes, in them no. I'm not that good. yet.
Sorry for kicking my horse a few times on the way home, its not like I sencelessly beat them. Do you ride?
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
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AnimalLeftist 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels With all due respect, please study carefully the objective reports of kill methods for equine. There are no methods available that allow horse slaughter to be humane. The horror of the slaughter process and the unacceptable rate of failure upon first kill attempt is simply unimaginable for any compassionate human to consider. STOP IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDING. Slaughter is not an acceptable method of population control; not for humans, not for animals.
Etruscan1 5 months ago
@Etruscan1 slaughter works pretty good for cows haha jk. In all reality only responsible breed can make things such as slaughter unneed. but seeing as America SUCKS at population control in ANY form. That is going to take a while. We still have 4 million dogs and cats put down each year and people can't even control their own breeding. I know a bolt gun isnt perfect. that is why I say they should perfect a way to slaughter equine before reopening us slaughter houses.
IRaceBarrels 5 months ago
@IRaceBarrels Agreed, also to other people would you rather see a horse suffer or get put out of its missery?
TheRangerLove 4 months ago
@TheRangerLove Oh yes, slaughter is putting a horse out of it's misery? Malarcky. If a horse is suffering, then euthanise or use a bullet, never subject a horse to the inhumanities of horse slaughter. Besides 92% of the horses that are slaughtered are not starving not neglected, the are young, sound, healthy horses, contrary to what Sue Wallis would have you believe. That number is per the USDA.
moondnce27 4 months ago
@IRaceBarrels You are correct on two statements, people shouldn't eat the meat because it isn't regulated and is toxic, and people should breed less horses. Supply and demand, however the breeders want to continue breeding and as long as slaughter exists over breeding will exist. Slaughter is the dumping ground for bad breeders. The USDA has documentation of the cruelty perpetuated against horses in the US slaughter houses. SLaughter is not humane.
moondnce27 4 months ago
Great video! Keep up the good work.
gilliangirl1 5 months ago 3
Why can't we just see that this is wrong? Why is it that they have to be considered pets for us to see that this is wrong? No horse should be subjected to this treatment, no matter what you value you put on that horse.
manoroaks 6 months ago
It is wrong what you say. Obviously, you have never had a cow, sheep or other like animal as a pet. They do make connections with humans. They cry for weeks looking for their babies if they are snatched away. I wish people would stop with that argument. It isn't a valid one. Horses that are treated like cattle probably wouldn't make a connection with humans either. That horses suffer more when being slaughtered is a very valid argument though.
manoroaks 6 months ago
That's sick. It won't do much. Just raise the price of horses and put them in more demand.... not the greatest idea today.
wildponeywasmyidea 6 months ago
as a general rule don't eat meat in the first place
BlueCloud100 6 months ago
I don't wish ill of people, but in this case I cannot help but hope that ANYONE that consumes horsemeat discovers one of the reasons WHY horses should not be slaughtered - the medications and wormers and other things used to keep our PET HORSES HEALTHY is TOXIC TO HUMANS. So if you don't care about the horses, THINK ABOUT WHO MAY BE EATING THEM.....
ginnysgems 6 months ago
I know for a fact, where I live, euthanizing a horse and burying it is no more expensive than euthanizing and burying a large dog. And so what if it's more?? IT'S YOUR PET. WE DO NOT EAT PETS. And I for one really hate breeders who breed, breed, breed and then cast off all the unwanted babies. AQHA APHA I'm talking to YOU. The racing industry is another in the group that adds way to many horses to the "unwanted" pile, and members of ALL these groups are PRO horse slaughter. Sickening.
ginnysgems 6 months ago
Well done. Your description information is spot on.
SHARKonlineorg 6 months ago
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Equine slaughter is no different than is poultry, bovine, swine or any other slaughter. Due to the fact you are taking the life of a living being it is ugly. However, it is needed. As a general rule horse owners can't dispose of a horse once it dies or has to be put down. There was no public outcry against processing horses until it was highly publicized that the meat was being used for human consumption. Where were all the AR groups when the meat was going for dog food or to feed large cats?
bjdb64 6 months ago
@bjdb64 dog food companies as a rule quite using horsemeat in dog food in the 70s, there are disposal means for horse that owners have euthanised and that could be one of two ways, chemical euthanasia with sedative and or a bullet by someone with experience and knowledge both when done correctly are painless. Equine slaughter is different because equine are different both in anatomy and in flight responses. And equines brain sits back further than a cows and respond differently.
moondnce27 6 months ago 3
@moondnce27 Yes equine slaughter is different, just as swine slaughter is different from cattle. Yet both cattle and swine are processed in the same processing facilities. The captive bolt is substantially longer in equine processing facilities and the effect is the same as a well placed bullet. Many horse owners do not have options on disposal of the carcass due to EPA guidelines. Many can't bury the horse on their property and few have the option of landfill either, disposal is a large issue.
bjdb64 6 months ago
@bjdb64 Wrong, it is not economically feassible to slaughter only horses, most of the slaughter plants that were in the US were multi species.. The capitve bolt was not designed for horses but for cattle. Temple Grandin says slaughter is not a good option and until someone designs a head restraint for horses and changes the ways things were done it's not an option. I agree with her, but I take it a further step...It is never an option. Horses have different flight instincts from cattle.
moondnce27 6 months ago 4
@bjdb64 No, it isn't. Your vet can give you info on this in your area. What do you suppose they do with THEIR horses when they die? No, the captive-bolt is NOT longer in equine plants - at least they weren't in the US. Swine and cattle are much more like each other than either are like horses. Both have short, straight necks. Horses have long, upright necks which make both cattle trucks and the captive-bolt unsuitable for horses. Cattle/pigs are not prey animals & don't have a flight response.
MorganLver 6 months ago
@MorganLver I don't know where you got your information concerning cattle not being prey animals and not having a flight response, but it is erroneous. If cattle do not have a flight response then please explain to me why the herd will stampede at threat from dogs, coyotes, wolves etc? Why will cattle, when they can no longer flee, circle the herd and place the weaker and younger of the herd in the center protected by the stronger and more dominant herd members?
bjdb64 5 months ago
@bjdb64 What you are referring to is herd behavior. That is certainly not to say that they can't be frightened, for crying' out loud! But isn't at all the same. That's why the captive bolt works well with cattle with proper head restraint. The captive-bolt is unsuitable for horses because they panic, throwing their heads around, making a decent shot impossible and also making the use of head restraints impossible although head restraints are MANDATED by law. That's the flight response. Get it?
MorganLver 5 months ago
@bjdb64 Primer 101, Temple Grandin - "Animals Make us Human" Horses and cattle are flight animals, but their responses are different. She clearly delinates the differences between the two animals. She also states that the slaughter is not a good option that horses are made crazy by their owners and that given their different flight instincts without a good head restraint you cannot humanely slaughter a horse.
moondnce27 5 months ago
@bjdb64 Most people didn't KNOW about horse slaughter when KenL Ration was killing thousands of our wild horses to put in their dog food. I certainly didn't, but then, I'm not AR. Never have been and never will be, and I'm getting sick and tired of being called an "animal rights extremest." when I'm not an animal rights anything. Sue Wallis and her crowd however are definitely pro-slaughter extremists. Why else would she carry on that bute is safe for humans to eat? That's extreme!
MorganLver 6 months ago 3
@bjdb64
I have a question. If someone killed your pet (dog, cat, etc), fried it in a skillet, dashed some salt on it, would you eat it? I'm thinking no. Horses aren't like cattle, cattle don't make connections to humans. Horses make herds, which means they understand the concept of family. They show devotion, just like dogs. They have enough higher thought to override their baser instincts.
Why do you think horses always need something to bond with? They like to socialize, make friends.
sesshomarujc 6 months ago
@sesshomarujc I clearly stated previously I am not a "horse eater". Horses are no different in herding instinct than are cattle, sheep, goats etc., they all form bonds. This is America, we are free to choose what we want to consume. I am seriously wondering where common sense went. When did our animals become the same level as human life? Seriously? I can't believe half the comments being thrown my way! I refuse to respond to irrational comments such as those of the killing of my pet /frying it.
bjdb64 5 months ago
@bjdb64 Really? you can legally eat cats and dogs in the US? No you cannot. You have no qualms with introducing tainted meat into the food chain? Evidently not. In the USA we don't eat horses, we don't raise them for food. They are not a part of the food chain. The FDA classifies horses as companion animals. Period.
moondnce27 5 months ago
@bjdb64 Just because a lot of people didn't know about it. That is unfornately what happens. People get away with doing things. Had people have known, there would have been opposition to that too.
manoroaks 6 months ago
A lot of people don't know still what rendering means.
manoroaks 6 months ago
An industry that is infamous for abusing the food animals they handle doesn't hold much credibility for preventing abuse in another species they want to add.
manoroaks 6 months ago 5
@manoroaks , yes. EXACTLY.
AnimalLeftist 5 months ago
@bjdb64 Thousands of horses die EVERY DAY in this country and their owners manage to deal with the remains - always have, always will. People do what they have to do except slaughter apologists. To hear them tell it, veterinarian performed euthanasia and disposal of the remains has somehow become something most horse owners can't/won't take care of, so slaughter is the only option, sob, sob. Crap.
It's the pro-slaughters that won't take care of their responsibilities because it doesn't PAY!
MorganLver 5 months ago
@MorganLver Where do you find the statistics to back up your statement that "Thousands of horses die EVERY DAY" ? I would truly be interested in knowing where such information can be found. I do not believe for one moment THOUSANDS of horses die every day in America. If that were fact, there would not be a single unturned piece of soil in the nation that didn't cover a dead horse. EPA regs in Arkansas state 1 horse may be buried per acre per year. Many areas you can't bury due to ground water.
bjdb64 5 months ago
@bjdb64 The exact number isn't the point! This better? MANY horses die every day and have for a VERY long time. In my 30+ years with horses I have KNOWN many horses that died. Many of those horses belonged to friends & acquaintances of mine. And in ALL those years with ALL those dead horses, I never ONCE head them bitching about how much it was going to cost!! None of us were wealthy, but somehow, when you best friends die, you tend not to think about money. None that I've ever known anyway.
MorganLver 5 months ago 2
@saddletramp69 no it says every 5 minutes........you're still wrong
moondnce27 6 months ago
Please watch for our next video!
moondnce27 6 months ago
Such shame--how can slaughter EVER be HUMANE?
animalfreedom1 6 months ago 2
@animalfreedom1 Slaughter can never be humane, euthanizing can be, but slaughter, NEVER.
ginnysgems 6 months ago
That portrait of Slaughterhouse Sue, is before .....
A current portrait needs to be made showing the after-affects of eating the meat of America's equines. She is a gluttonous, crazed, horse eater who is misrepresenting the State of Wyoming.
That Butte will bite you in the backside, Sue and you have one double-decker that will take a custom box to fit.
FreedomRunsFree 6 months ago 2
@FreedomRunsFree I actually think that is the after......;-)
moondnce27 6 months ago
@moondnce27 Well, it maybe makeup and Photoshop enhanced then! Check out recent pictures and recent video of her, there is little resemblance!
FreedomRunsFree 6 months ago
@FreedomRunsFree I was being faceitious
moondnce27 6 months ago
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@pomeraniansrock, probably because the "anti's" can't carry on a civilized, intelligent conversation but instead have to resort to name calling & childish behavior. our whole idea is to get plants opened back up & all aspects of horse processing done with enforced humane policies, from sale barn, through transport - all the way until the animal is rendered brain dead.
rapidjet98 6 months ago
@rapidjet98 No your whole idea is to line the pockets of Sue Wallis with money. Sue has plans already in the works for a plant and a mobile plant. Slaughter is not humane, it was designed for cattle not horses. Horses are inherently different, both in anatomy and in their flight reponses. At the Summitt, Dr. Grandin laid out the ONLY way it would be humane and no one to date has designed a head restraint. They stated the changes required are too expensive. GREED!
moondnce27 6 months ago 4
@rapidjet98 Why would re-opened slaughter plants be any more humane than they were the first time around? They were no better than Canada and EU authorized ones in Mexico-where most of our horses go. I guess you were never inside one of the US horse slaughter plants, were you? Doubledecker trucks and captive bolts that usually took several hits before a horse was stunned enough to go down. Even so, they often regained consciousness while strung up by one hind leg. I have seen it.
MorganLver 6 months ago
Just thought I'd point out the fact that this video -- posted by those "radical animal rights" activists -- allows comments, including those with dissenting opinions. Most of the videos posted by the pro-slaughter corporate hacks DO NOT allow comments. I wonder... what exactly are they afraid of?
PomeraniansRock1 6 months ago 6
@PomeraniansRock1 - Just hazarding a guess that the reason the Horsemeat shills don't allow comments on their video is because they know the lies can be so easily refuted with facts and common logic.
CanAmFam 6 months ago 10
Thank God, 1) We are a Democracy. 2) Majority rules in USA thats a fact. 3)We do not, as a majority eat horses in this country 4) nor are they on the menu.5) We have closed the slaughter houses. 6) FDA states horses are a companion animal. 7)There is a revision request to the law in the Senate, to outlaw transportation for slaughter of horses. 1) Right now its legal to transport the horses to slaughter. I do believe that makes the score: 7-1 in favor of the Anti-slaughter folks. Amen..
kowgirlnme 6 months ago 5
If a horse is to dangerous to euthanize then it is much to dangerous to travel it to auction and then to a slaughter house, if it is that mad the horse needs to be shot there and then closely followed by the person who made it that mad.
Equiluxe1 6 months ago 5
United Horsemen really should change their name to United Horsemeat, because that is what they are about. Compassionate people need to strenuously oppose everything the United Horsemen stand for. Get cruelty out of the saddle; get United Horsemen outta town!
stopstoragescams 6 months ago 9
When I brought my first worse home I was told by the back to euthanize her or send her to auction the vet said she was unpredictable and had nevicular... I brought this horse home she was now my responsibility. Today 2 years later... she is my best friend, and 1 heck of a babysitter for my 2 year old daughter!!!!! People who slaughter should be slaughtered!!!! Don't get off course unless you can 100% commit yourself to that horse!!!
wendyr1973 6 months ago 3
Maybe what Sue Wallis says persuades you, but please, listen again, or read again. This time whenever she says horse/burro say cat or dog instead. Every argument she makes would certainly apply to them, there are other nations who do consider our pets food. Also, please consider this: keeping the slaughterhouses closed gives EVERY community the incentive to find more humane solutions, reopening them makes it very unlikely to ever change.
kvae304 6 months ago 2
@kvae304 , who writes, "whenever she [SueWallis] says horse/burro say cat or dog instead." Here's a better idea: whenever Ms. Wallis says horse/burro, say 'unwanted child or invalid', instead. People who are in favor of the legal slaughter of 'the unwanted' are rarely going to limit that favor to only 'quadrupeds'. That's what this discussion is about - slaughtering, rather than humanely euthanising, the unwanted. Why do some want legal slaughter of horses? Because HE cost about $250.
ElkRiverRancher2 6 months ago 4
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kvae304 6 months ago
We shouldn't even be having this fight in this day and age. The reason behind all of this is pure GREED. As for those who say some horses are dangerous. Rescues like ours are going to say they are dangerous because of a human arse hole who mistreated them. I have never yet not been able to turn a horse around. It takes time, but they deserve whatever time it takes. It's because of the slight of man's hand that they are neglected, abused, starved or slaughtered. There is NO excuse for slaughter.
Bevkins 6 months ago 4
I think there is ambiguity on what to call a horse, livestock or companion animal, but in state of California, the law treats a horse as if it were a pet. I don't know of anywhere you can buy horse feed or hay that isn't taxed because of that fact.
manoroaks 6 months ago 2
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texascowgirl319 6 months ago
@texascowgirl319 Yes they eat it in France, because they are just learning that the chemicals used to keep American horses alive are forbidden to be used in animals to be slaughtered for human consumption. Why because they make humans ill, aplastic anemia, birth defects, cancer. The FDA classifies horses as companion animals and the majority of horses in the use are owned for recreational purposes, not for work or to make a living.
moondnce27 6 months ago 2
@texascowgirl319 In addition, The EU has banned horses which have ever been given Bute in their lifetime. Horses in europe have passports which track every medication, chemcial etc they have ever recevied.I suggest before you call out the video for purported lies, you learn something first.
moondnce27 6 months ago 2
@moondnce27 Sorry to burst your bubble, on the 'European' horse passport, but if you think for a moment that 'every medication, chemical, etc' that has been administered to every European horse has been 'recorded', then you are living in a dream world. Many a horse is given medications that are 'banned' - and many others are given medications that are legal, but the administration is not recorded. It is the nature of people to circumvent rules, whether they are citizens of the USA or EU.
ElkRiverRancher2 6 months ago
@ElkRiverRancher2 Excuse me, but what difference does that make? Just because someone else does it doesn't mean WE are going to do it too. At least there is some chance under the passport system - which by the way Canada is going to start enforcing next year. Positive ID from birth, no banned substances and a detailed medical record for EVERY horse presented for slaughter. This will be true for Mexico as well. There will be no more dumping of horses with no ID. Then what are you all going to do?
MorganLver 6 months ago 2
@MorganLver If you mean the 'Passport' issue, my point is there are always people who will undermine 'rules' - so having a 'passport' does not mean that a horse presented for slaughter/consumption will actually be 'free' of banned/dangerous substances. The only answer, imho, is NO slaughter of ANY horses. Owners, Breeders, should all be required to keep in escrow a sufficient amount of money for humane euthanasia. Once humanely euthanised, the carcass is of no concern.
ElkRiverRancher2 6 months ago
@ElkRiverRancher2 Believe it or not, I'm well aware that the passport system is not perfect - far from it, but it's what the EU uses and it's what they are going to require of American horses by next year. Of course the only 100% protection is not to eat horses. But, that is not happening and probably never will in the countries that consider them a food animal.
Meanwhile,US horses will have to provide a passport system or something similar to be able to be sold for slaughter. Impossible.
MorganLver 6 months ago
@ElkRiverRancher2 I wasn't saying they don't. In fact, in a report from 2008-I think-the EU found banned substances in most checks, but horse meat had more than any other animal.
My point was that US horses don't have any tracking system at all, and IF Americans want to continue slaughtering their horses, they will have to comply with the passport system - with all the record keeping and permanent IDs that it requires.
I agree that the only way to be safe is to stop eating horses at all.
MorganLver 5 months ago
@MorganLver AMericans will not passport their horses, but everyone seems to forget. Bottom line, the substances are banned from horses intended for human slaughter. The FDA has not established withdrawal times because they classify horses as companion animals, not food animals. Horses are not raised in this country for food. Pharma companies are not going to run the clinical trials necessary, why?A live horse requires more products than a dead horse. Translates into money for Pharma
moondnce27 5 months ago
@moondnce27 Agreed, but i'm not criticizing them for not running unnecessary tests. :) Yes, people lose sight of that bottom line. Also, people simply will not understand why cattle can use ivermectin but it's banned in horses. They keep saying, "It's the same chemical!" Doesn't matter. The required studies have not been done in horses and ANY products for which those studies have not been run is banned permanently. Man! I don't write the rules - I'm just the messenger.
MorganLver 5 months ago
@texascowgirl319
Horses are not raised for consumption in the U.S. If that was the case, there would be more codes for slaughtering them. Horses are companion animals, even according to the FDA. EU has forbid any U.S horsemeat from being imported because they may contain chemicals like bute which can cause organ failure in humans if digested. Nature can be cruel, but humans should have morals & also laws need to be heavily inforced when it comes to neglect & suffering to any animal.
cowgurljb 6 months ago 3
Right!
Common sense, like logic can change horse slaughter history. Let's get 'er done!
Visit Horses as National Treasure. Mail or fax petitions. Stephanie M Sellers with Horses as National Treasure has received letters from Senators who like the idea, but it needs more attention.
productofsixties 6 months ago 2
When I read a letter or article by Sue Wallace, I got on ugly picture of what a horse man was interested in. I got the feeling they were more interested in the new saddle or new trailer, rather than in the horse. Maybe, that is true. I also got the feeling that people who were anit slaughter didn't have any idea about horses. Seems really odd since many have their own. I don't understand how people can buy what she is selling.
manoroaks 6 months ago 4
@manoroaks You are not far off- the people out there promoting slaughter of horses for human consumption do seem to use the personal property argument quite a bit. They view horses as possessions, not partners. However, just because they own a car they cannot abandon it on the side of the road, they cannot dump toxic waste in their yard because its their yard and they cannot burn down their house because its theirs There are limits and laws to what is are allowed.We need to pass S1176 now.
threeblackkatz 6 months ago 6
@manoroaks Some people who own horses are woefully ignorant and are easy prey for skillful liars like Sue Wallis and crew. Education is THE key. That's why we are working ourselves half to death posting the truth to counter all the disinformation that the pro-slaughter extremists are pumping out. They are backed by some very deep pockets that have a strangle hold on DC. That's why it's taken years and we still don't have a law against it passed. They kill them in Committee.
MorganLver 6 months ago 6
WOW ,got some Slaughterhouse Sue nuts on here! Euthanasia gone bad,only if you have a bad vet,been there done that and have never sen the adverse reactions some of you idiots are claiming! HMMM,a peaceful sleep followed by a shot to send to the hereafter VS bolt to the head any of you slaughter advocates want to trade places with good healthy horses,(because of backyard breeders or overbreeders) want to take their place and report back;that's probably a no right?
pammey62 6 months ago 10
Horse breeders have become equine equivalents to puppy mill owners. These are living, breathing creatures for God sakes. Notice how many of these alleged horsemen are wearing crosses around their necks, praising God for their lives while they load horses for an abusive ride to their deaths?
True horsemen do not use slaughter as their garbage disposal.
MegaJetgirl 6 months ago 7
@MegaJetgirl Are you aware of all the horses that were deemed worthless as soon as the ban in the united states was put into effect?
rancherjongus 6 months ago
@rancherjongus The only real worthless creatures are those who have a human soul and do nothing to stop the over-breeding and abject abuse of a innocent creature of God. I no longer call any horse owner who believes slaughter is an okay way to get rid of the greedy or the lazy's excess, a horseman. It is 2011 for God's sake, evolve.
MegaJetgirl 6 months ago 3
@MegaJetgirl Horsemen were taking best care of there stock they could prior to the ban. After the ban however they became worthless. That's to no fault of the horseman. That's fault lies to the special interest groups who spread false lies of what is actually happening in these slaughter houses. A good horse producer is producing stock is worth something but after you get rid of the base value of the horse more horses suffer
rancherjongus 6 months ago
@rancherjongus LOL we still give them the best care. We lose money left right and center but they don't need to suffer for our choices, in my opinion. We just slowly downsized our herd and breed only limited stock (5-3) a year. Easy peasy in my opinion. But then lost of responsible breeders do that. Its the person with the fugly stallion who wants to breed it to their friend's fugly mare to have this fugly foal. You can't stop those.
BehindTheLiesIsTruth 6 months ago
@rancherjongus No, the blame lies with the large breeders over producing for quantity instead of quality. breed subsidies and breed registries like the AQHA. They wanted to be the large breed registry in the country well they are and now what good does it do them? We have an economy that has tanked. Quite over breeding and the numbers will go back down. Also the numbers of horses which have gone to slaughter have not decreased since the defunding. SO your argument is a logical fallacy.
moondnce27 6 months ago 2
@rancherjongus THERE IS NO BAN! Have you ever been inside a horse slaughter plant? NO! Because if you had, you would know what we say aren't lies. I've been there and I saw what I saw - and it was bloody HELL! So don't even start. Why would horses suddenly become worthless because domestic plants closed? What did that have to do with anything? Since we're actually slaughtering MORE horses now that we were before, I don't think that could have ANYTHING to do with it. YOU are the liar.
MorganLver 6 months ago
@rancherjongus Typical Pro slaughter tactic- blame everyone but yourself for your "industry" woes. Is the issue that you and your friends have been caught red handed overproducing, trying to pawn off your unwanted animals as food for humans and abusing animals. Dont blame the agencies that are catching the abuses-they are not the ones on the videos committing the offenses.
threeblackkatz 6 months ago 5
@MegaJetgirl True breeders don't do it for the money. I know we don't. Slaughter needs to be there for the unwanted and unusable or dangerous. We have shelters that take unwanted dogs and dangerous dogs and put them down. Why can't we have that for horses? Why can't we have a place that takes in ALL of theses unwanted, unusable or dangerous horses and euthanize them. We certainly can't use Chem Euth. Then we would have to spend hours incinerating or burying the toxic remains.
BehindTheLiesIsTruth 6 months ago
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth = educate yourself! .. There is ALSO a movement to stop over breeding of dogs and cats, too. So that they do not end up in kill shelters. Animals are not made for our own entertainment. It's disgusting how you think that you can use them, and then when you think they are of no value to you, you can discard them as a useless piece of trash. Shame on you. They have feelings and a soul. Do you?
voxgirl 6 months ago 2
@voxgirl True breeders are preventing breeding of horses, we breed for the market. We neuter the colts. Nothing we can do about the fillies but its a start. Not to mention we keep in contact with every person we sell too. We are pushing along a solution. What are you doing to help? We have never discarded a horse because we cannot use it. The two horses sent to the plant were dangerous to people. They were born dangerous and stayed dangerous. A good horse always has a use.
BehindTheLiesIsTruth 6 months ago
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth Ya know, all you say is really pointless since you live in Canada. We are discussing American horses. We AMERICANS, do not want our horses to go to slaughter. Period. Get the point?
moondnce27 6 months ago
@moondnce27 Hmm then we are on the same page then. We certainly don't want you horses being slaughtered up here either but remember, if they aren't slaughtered up here then its off to Mexico for them. But you can do what you want becuase I honestly don't want the American horses up here becuase that destroyed our horse market. We are finally getting our market back since the regulations put int effect and the crack downs on the border. Don't want them. Period. Do you get the point?
BehindTheLiesIsTruth 6 months ago
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth Perhaps you need to go back and read....we don't want them to go to slaughter period. And that is what S 1176 will do, make it illegal and stop them from being transported across the border for slaughter.
moondnce27 6 months ago
@moondnce27 Last time I looked, WE weren't discussing anything about a bill but I certainly hope it goes through for you. I really do.
BehindTheLiesIsTruth 6 months ago
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth Then I don't understand your plethora of posts, contrary to what we are fighting for on here.
moondnce27 6 months ago
@moondnce27 For some strange reason, youtube is going spastic on comments. It says someone replied and I can't find the reply and it jumbled all of my comments. I do believe that you want to end slaughter of horses period. I on the other hand, would like to have the option as a last resort for people who have no other options. I honestly don't think it should be used the way it does, it is a gross misuse of the system as it stands. But it can be overhauled and restricted.
BehindTheLiesIsTruth 6 months ago
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth we also don't believe that chemical euthanasia is the only option, a bullet, if done properly by someone who knows what they are doing, is as effective and much better than slaughter. Slaughter should never be an option. Slaughter in this country was nothing like you see in England either. No would it be because people here involved are greedy.
moondnce27 6 months ago
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth We don't want them sent to you either! Get the point? We don't want them to be slaughtered anywhere. Get it?
MorganLver 6 months ago 2
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth You should have euthanized those two! How many times had you wormed those two? Ever give bute? Used fly spray? It you did, even ONCE, those horses were not safe for humans to eat and you do NOT have the right to sell a horse for food if you know it have been contaminated with banned substances. Not to mention the suffering those horses went through. Just because they didn't like humans didn't give you leave to send them to such a horrific death. What is the MATTER with you?
MorganLver 6 months ago 2
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth You are NUTS. Even is ALL the horses that go to slaughter would die if not for being slaughtered - which they would NOT - it's still 1% of the total horse population. A drop in the bucket. If you had ever actually been to an auction you would know that the horses you describe are NOT the ones the killers buy. They are buying fat, young horses to feed to people for God's sake! You don't see cattlemen dragging in old, skinny, sick cows. Idiotic argument and I'm sick of ti.
MorganLver 6 months ago
@BehindTheLiesIsTruth Yeah, there is a place for unwanted dogs and cats, the pound, where they are humanely euthanized, not slaughtered. If u don't have enough land to humanely euthanize and bury your horse, then u don't have enough land to be a horse owner. And those 2 dangerous horses that u sent to the plant, what kind of vax, meds, etc had they had throughout their lifetime? There are 2 moral problems with horse slaughter, the inhumane treatment AND the fact that the meat is unfit for food.
Lil28one 6 months ago
@rancherjongus There is NO ban. Never was. We are slaughtering even more than before the domestic plants closed. They just to to Canada or Mexico - which, by the way, always took quite a percentage of our horses. Any what would the closing of domestic plants have to do with how many horses were "deemed" worthless?
MorganLver 6 months ago