that roll seems a hybrid , using a put across at the end with the hip flick. I feel that would not be a good option for whitewater, ok for sea and flatwater. Having recently had a rotator cuff injury my shoulder ached just watching this roll.I feel there are lower impact otions
Nice snappy roll but I strain my shoulder when I do a C to C like that. You can see where he's muscling it up at 21 seconds and 32 seconds. If you do it wrong at that point you can pop your shoulder right out of joint...ouch! I think a sweep roll is easier on the body cause you never have to push down on the paddle.
Also, why use the paddle float to empty your boat? Just do the bow lift and flip with a little frog kick and it will mostly empty.
I would argue that the C to C and sweep rolls are both valuable rolls to learn -- and that each has its advantages. A good C to C involves much more hip than arm or shoulder -- and thus doesn't take a lot of strength or place your shoulder in jeopardy.
Regarding the use of a paddle float to empty the boat. You are right that it can often be done without, but if you are using your paddle float to re-enter the boat anyway, why not?
I learnt in 10 minutes, i couldn't believe how easy it was. But it is hard when hoing in in a river because it is so cold you just pull the spraydeck off staright away
Trust me, pulling that spraydeck is alot worse, then you end up swimming in the cold water carrying a paddle and kayak..... your legs get as cold as the rest of your body and now you have alot of work to do.. i have rolled multiple times in a river.. each on purpose of course..i would much prefer to roll and i know that truthly you would agree with me on the facts about how much colder the wet exit drill will be! :P
well sweep and c to c are okay but i paddle whitewater
i prefer sweep but the real roll is the back deck rodeo roll for kayaking that takes some skill and it allows you to basically spend no time underwater its just a lot harder to learn
Looks like a solid roll. However, the roll displayed in the video requires heaps of strength. If the kayaker would lean back more in the endphase, there would be no what they call "hip snap" (0:12-0:14 in the vid). Instead of pressing the paddle down into the water, my view is that he should continue the sweep and lean back more and gradually come onto the aft deck and from there on sit up right. What he is risking here is that the paddle sinks to much before he's upright and thus fail the roll.
Gobbeldigook, you seem to prefer the sweep to the C-to-C. The sweep and c-to-c rolls are useful rolls that have advantages under certain conditions.
The C-to-C roll does not require much in terms of strength. The righting movement is provided by the hip snap, which does require some flexibility but not strength. The C-to-C is quicker than the sweep and often works better in rough conditions. Additionally, the C-to-C roll works in kayaks that may not have a low back deck.
That is true. Never tried the C-to-C roll. I'll have to try it myself before I comment. I actually discovered what the C-to-C roll is after I posted so I might have learned something here!
ah yes this is true but doing that has more dangers than his c to c.. with his c to c all his work is done in a hip snap and so he risks alot less injury than you may or may not think.. with what your saying the roll stands a high chance of failing and leaning on the back deck can cause it to fail.. miserably.. his best option is to do what hes doing.. so far i've had no problem with my c to c but my friend who does what you do doesn't always complete a roll.
oh thats great just got my kayak been out three times in it and each time had to come to shore to empty it but now can do it alone out at see just need to get a spray deck now to roll not looking forward to that bit ha ha
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Don't worry. This stuff is all old school. There's other ways to remedy these things without copying the eskimo circus acts from centuries ago... more to come...
It's not old school. Sure you can use paddle floats, if you're quick and don't panic finding the thing and getting set up while upside down. But the there is no replacement for being able to do a roll. Sea kayaks are the easiest kayaks to roll, and a good learner can pick it up in one hour long session (I did). Otherwise it should take less than a six week course in the pool. Aside from learning a valuable skill it's fun and a big confidence booster for when you are out in the sea.
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Your right. It's not old school. It's ANCIENT school. I don't call them "sit-inside"... I call them "die-inside". Practice in a nice warm pool all you want, but when you take a smackdown from a cresting swell of 50 degree water, your gonna find out what your really made of. So... you roll back up after gasping in freezing water... opps... upsidedown again. Now your gettin' cold. Hmmm. No thanks... I'll take a sit on top and a paddle leash. Sea kayaks tippy? Try a surfski....
So, sea kayaks aren't for you then. They are for a lot of people though. I've been out in the swell, paddled in high winds and performed rolls and rescues out at sea. If you wear the appropriate kit, you don't get that cold. Sit on tops are far more dangerous because you are less likely to be able to battle the current or winds, as they are slow. You need to get some practice and coaching. I come from paddling white water, so rolling sea kayaks are easy and are the quickest way back upright.
"Dunk1970" is right - as long as you take a safety course from a certified instructor, sea kayaking is pretty safe. Driving a car, too, is dangerous, but with driving courses they get a lot safer. Same thing. Important thing to note is that you should NOT practice kayak rolls alone. Safer stuff like getting into your boat from the water, fine. More dangerous stuff, no.
Oh, and you only get "stuck" in the kayak if you use a cockpit cover (don't know what they're called in English).
There is no risk to get "stuck" in the kayak. You can easily break up the spray deck and swim out.=) It would be much less complicated with a confident roll though ;)
Sorry to wind you up and be boastfull but i just want to say: i learnt it in a half and hour session and im 13! and most people dont learn it in and hour, it usually takes longer!! so congrats to you, you must be a natural!
this scare the shit out of me and make me want to get a sit on top kayak instead
MrSnubzy 1 month ago
Because "Eskimo" is a derogatory name meaning: eater of raw flesh.
19vendetta19 3 months ago
that roll seems a hybrid , using a put across at the end with the hip flick. I feel that would not be a good option for whitewater, ok for sea and flatwater. Having recently had a rotator cuff injury my shoulder ached just watching this roll.I feel there are lower impact otions
sw3210 4 months ago
How is Eskimo roll offensive?
MrRogers1771 5 months ago
roll with the punches?
qbrikc 8 months ago
I find eskimo roll offensive... its politically correct name is innuit roll
stayhomelynn106 11 months ago
DO A BARREL ROLL!!
HyperSonicXtreme 1 year ago
Nice snappy roll but I strain my shoulder when I do a C to C like that. You can see where he's muscling it up at 21 seconds and 32 seconds. If you do it wrong at that point you can pop your shoulder right out of joint...ouch! I think a sweep roll is easier on the body cause you never have to push down on the paddle.
Also, why use the paddle float to empty your boat? Just do the bow lift and flip with a little frog kick and it will mostly empty.
WillForsberg 2 years ago
I would argue that the C to C and sweep rolls are both valuable rolls to learn -- and that each has its advantages. A good C to C involves much more hip than arm or shoulder -- and thus doesn't take a lot of strength or place your shoulder in jeopardy.
Regarding the use of a paddle float to empty the boat. You are right that it can often be done without, but if you are using your paddle float to re-enter the boat anyway, why not?
touringkayaks 2 years ago
I learnt in 10 minutes, i couldn't believe how easy it was. But it is hard when hoing in in a river because it is so cold you just pull the spraydeck off staright away
rachelpearce94 3 years ago
Trust me, pulling that spraydeck is alot worse, then you end up swimming in the cold water carrying a paddle and kayak..... your legs get as cold as the rest of your body and now you have alot of work to do.. i have rolled multiple times in a river.. each on purpose of course..i would much prefer to roll and i know that truthly you would agree with me on the facts about how much colder the wet exit drill will be! :P
kyaker123 2 years ago
can i just ask: is that kayaker left handed?
EmsTheStrange 3 years ago
well sweep and c to c are okay but i paddle whitewater
i prefer sweep but the real roll is the back deck rodeo roll for kayaking that takes some skill and it allows you to basically spend no time underwater its just a lot harder to learn
simlingrunescapeowns 3 years ago
Looks like a solid roll. However, the roll displayed in the video requires heaps of strength. If the kayaker would lean back more in the endphase, there would be no what they call "hip snap" (0:12-0:14 in the vid). Instead of pressing the paddle down into the water, my view is that he should continue the sweep and lean back more and gradually come onto the aft deck and from there on sit up right. What he is risking here is that the paddle sinks to much before he's upright and thus fail the roll.
Gobbeldigook 3 years ago
Gobbeldigook, you seem to prefer the sweep to the C-to-C. The sweep and c-to-c rolls are useful rolls that have advantages under certain conditions.
The C-to-C roll does not require much in terms of strength. The righting movement is provided by the hip snap, which does require some flexibility but not strength. The C-to-C is quicker than the sweep and often works better in rough conditions. Additionally, the C-to-C roll works in kayaks that may not have a low back deck.
touringkayaks 3 years ago
That is true. Never tried the C-to-C roll. I'll have to try it myself before I comment. I actually discovered what the C-to-C roll is after I posted so I might have learned something here!
Gobbeldigook 3 years ago
ah yes this is true but doing that has more dangers than his c to c.. with his c to c all his work is done in a hip snap and so he risks alot less injury than you may or may not think.. with what your saying the roll stands a high chance of failing and leaning on the back deck can cause it to fail.. miserably.. his best option is to do what hes doing.. so far i've had no problem with my c to c but my friend who does what you do doesn't always complete a roll.
kyaker123 2 years ago
o que eu estava precisando !
paulokss 3 years ago
oh thats great just got my kayak been out three times in it and each time had to come to shore to empty it but now can do it alone out at see just need to get a spray deck now to roll not looking forward to that bit ha ha
cornbeefinspector 4 years ago 2
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Don't worry. This stuff is all old school. There's other ways to remedy these things without copying the eskimo circus acts from centuries ago... more to come...
JohnMichaelShaw 4 years ago
It's not old school. Sure you can use paddle floats, if you're quick and don't panic finding the thing and getting set up while upside down. But the there is no replacement for being able to do a roll. Sea kayaks are the easiest kayaks to roll, and a good learner can pick it up in one hour long session (I did). Otherwise it should take less than a six week course in the pool. Aside from learning a valuable skill it's fun and a big confidence booster for when you are out in the sea.
Dunk1970 3 years ago 5
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Your right. It's not old school. It's ANCIENT school. I don't call them "sit-inside"... I call them "die-inside". Practice in a nice warm pool all you want, but when you take a smackdown from a cresting swell of 50 degree water, your gonna find out what your really made of. So... you roll back up after gasping in freezing water... opps... upsidedown again. Now your gettin' cold. Hmmm. No thanks... I'll take a sit on top and a paddle leash. Sea kayaks tippy? Try a surfski....
JohnMichaelShaw 3 years ago
So, sea kayaks aren't for you then. They are for a lot of people though. I've been out in the swell, paddled in high winds and performed rolls and rescues out at sea. If you wear the appropriate kit, you don't get that cold. Sit on tops are far more dangerous because you are less likely to be able to battle the current or winds, as they are slow. You need to get some practice and coaching. I come from paddling white water, so rolling sea kayaks are easy and are the quickest way back upright.
Dunk1970 3 years ago 5
"Dunk1970" is right - as long as you take a safety course from a certified instructor, sea kayaking is pretty safe. Driving a car, too, is dangerous, but with driving courses they get a lot safer. Same thing. Important thing to note is that you should NOT practice kayak rolls alone. Safer stuff like getting into your boat from the water, fine. More dangerous stuff, no.
Oh, and you only get "stuck" in the kayak if you use a cockpit cover (don't know what they're called in English).
MidgardEagle 3 years ago
There is no risk to get "stuck" in the kayak. You can easily break up the spray deck and swim out.=) It would be much less complicated with a confident roll though ;)
oskarthaman 3 years ago 3
Sorry to wind you up and be boastfull but i just want to say: i learnt it in a half and hour session and im 13! and most people dont learn it in and hour, it usually takes longer!! so congrats to you, you must be a natural!
EmsTheStrange 3 years ago
lol im the exact same :P
kyaker123 2 years ago
hello
i'm doing a TFE (ending school work...) in PhysicalEducation in belgium. Your video is great to explani the mouvement and tecnhical positions...
If you want or adree, can you send me it to work with her?
sorry 4 my english but i try...
carl from belgium
tupapaugod 4 years ago