YAY!!!!!!!!! Thank goodness someone put up the truth about these idiot do gooders. How dare they come up with their bleeding hearts and tell the people who have respect for the animals they eat and hunt how to live and especially how to hunt. It drives me mad. It angers me at the continued arrogance of the white man. If they don't like it don't eat them....but try to live up north without eating meat. Please...do try it and enjoy your death.
HSUS does not run a single animal shelter, of the 131 million raised in 2010 only 527,566, or 0.4 percent went to any shelter nationwide while $32 million went into hedge funds.
As local shelters struggle to keep their doors open, HSUS is raising millions of dollars a month from unwitting donors to bankroll an animal rights agenda and fund a huge staff of lawyers and lobbyists, a bloated executive pension plan, and exorbitant fundraising expenses
seals are overpopulated in some areas. off the coast of one canadian island the seals have nearly wiped out an entire species of fish, which in turn will knock the eco-system out of whack. this will over time eventually lead to the extinction of many species in the area including the native seals. the cruelist thing is anti-hunting and anti-trapping. HSUS, PETA, ASPCA and others have decieved everyone of their supporters I wish everyone would stand up to these cruel "animal rights" organizations
A big Thank you! to everyone who got out and voted against this Money and Power hungry giant! Almost 1 million people spoke out against this--that is a lot guys! AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE RICH CELEBRITIES BACKING US!!!! Great work! The fight is far from over--lets stick together and continue to educate everyone on the HSUS and their deceptive ways. By all means--donate to your local shelters and HS--but don't let this animal extremist see another cent!
wow, an anti-sealing group not really caring about seals... unbelievable! hahahaha note the sarcasm, Ive seen the anti sealing jackasses in Canada, they eat more beef and pork and other animals in one day of filming the all canadian sealers kill in an entire year. Fuck them.
You can never trust the HSUS. Few animal rights groups have mastered the art of deceit and deception as well as the Humane Society of the United States. It's one of the most dangerous and dishonest animal rights organizations in the world today.
and in the process torturing animals. tvs are mind control. they put you in a drugged sleep state, then your brain is open to be washed in to believing the hsus is good.
Doing Great Work???You could say that if you were not wise enough to see they flipped that wounded seal over onto it's back so that escape was not going to happen as they continued filming. H$US is all about the money . 20 years ago 1.5 million seals were found on Atlantic coast. Despite culling 1 million seals every three year period the seal herd jumped to 6 million animals. That math shows Maritime Canada will soon have a busted Marine Ecosystem.
Proof that almost all environmentalists are hypocrites whos only goal is to impose their will unto other people at any costs, not give compassion to or save animals.
Um, no. This is evidence of one particular organisation. And please don't confuse "environmentalists" and "animal-rights activists". I consider I belong to the first group, yet I firmly believe in democracy and if as a group Homo sapiens isn't able to alter its course and save itself, well, tough. As a dad it pains me though.
Being an environmentalist does not necessarily equal having zero impact. Just like being a capitalist doesn't *always* mean being a short-sighted greedy SOB who has the laughable belief that free enterprise will solve everything. But you are right if you mean we should use labels with caution. Allow me then to not call myself an environmentalist but to say that I think environmental issues are not getting a fraction of the attention they deserve (including their social and economic dimensions).
It's so much easier to make sweeping generalizations and pigeonholing a diverse movement into a caricature, isn't it? Less threatening to one's world view than dealing with (shudder) nuance. I know some environmentalists that have nothing to do with luxuries, yet are fairly prominent on the media scene in this province.
Ah, yes, those acre certificates. I too disagree with that approach. Agrarian reform, fair traid (as in no dumping or unfair subsidies) and access to proper soils are among the solutions. For having seen them myself, rainforest soils don't sustain proper agriculture for very long.
_A Short History of Progress_ documents well how the Maya civilization collapsed following massive deforestation - the forest returned, you'll note. Ultimately, environmentalism is about us.
Very few soils sustain agriculture very long. That is why we have fertilizer.
Instead of buying the land and telling them they can't farm it, their cause would get more net gain by purchasing fertilizer for them so they don't have to keep cutting down trees.
Instead, they conclude that there are too many people in the world.
It's a little more complex than that in the case of rainforest soils. Nutrient cycles there don't go below the litter layer and into the mineral soil. That mineral soil ends up making excellent brick material after a few seasons of baking in the sun. But we digress here. Please continue via personal messages if you want to go on.
(The conclusion can also be that some areas need protection for biodiversity, and that the problem of overpopulation is rather one of wealth distribution).
a plot of land only several meters squared is enough to produce a good yield for more than one family, using techniques like crop rotation, using the bio mass of previous plants, composting and permaculture techniques so chemical fertilizer is not required. bigger is not always better, we don't need to have massive tracts of land in one space devoted to growing, just little plots in many places for local distribution. AND Converting downtown skyscrapers into greenhouses!!!
Yeah right. You couldn't even fix a plugged toilet and you want me to believe you have done all the necessary to prove your claims or even be convinced you could grow a house plant without killing it?
Poster of this video. I noticed in your more info section that you say, "Reading these comments will tell you which side has elements against freedom of speech." I guess that explains the false flagging campaigns waged against those people trying to post "Stop the seal hunt" videos. Numerous videos have been false flagged and channels suspended because seal hunt supporters don't want the world to see the seal hunt.
Deux commentaires virulents contre les animalistes retirés à cause de référence à des 'fifs', ce qui est péjoratif et n'a pas rapport. Le premier était aussi d'un "français" lamentable...
H$U$ is exactly like PETA. They have $200 million in the bank. Why don't they give it to local Humane societies who do all the work on small budgets. H$U$ takes credit for large puppy mill busts when they actually show up for the cameras then hand all the dogs over to local Humane Societies and rescue groups.Don't donate to H$US ! Donate to your local rescue groups.
Nice way to "Pretend" your some kind of animal rights advocate. You're a staunch seal hunt supporter. Anyone can look on the comments of these videos and see you've supported the hunt since you opened your channel.
comments on what video? pretending to be an animal rights activist... did I say I was one? Please directly me to the statement where I said I am an activist.
Sorry. Mistaken ID. What don't you like about the video shown in this.....video? It's obvious they seal hunt supporters are trying to make HSUS responsible for mopping up after their brutal slaughter. If the seal slaughter didn't take place this would never have happened to begin with. It's called cause and effect.
Well, what do you think? The Earth spins on people responding to situations and acting whether there's emotion involved or not.
I did actually research this situation seen above in the video. I did see a video showing the complete version of this footage where in fact HSUS shot the seal to put it out of it's misery, and it wasn't a sealer. They took it out of the water to do so, it most likely would have drowned.
Though, still, I don't know it THAT is 100%. Who knows.
Well, it's not the HSUS's responsibility to mop up after the sloppy seal hunters. If as the seal hunters say, the slaughter is so, "humane" then there shouldn't be instances like this. The HSUS was there for one reason; to present the images of the seal hunt to the court of public opinion. A court which has found them guilty of crimes against the planet. The video in question severed to save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of seals from the same fate. Mission accomplished.
Messy kills happpen some time. Its not the sealer's intent to leave them suffering. It'd be like saying hunters are commiting "crimes against the planet" because a kill wasn't clean or because the individual hunter was a jerk. There's no difference between killing a deer and a seal.
Two wrongs don't make a right. These people purposefully hauled that seal out of the comfort of the water onto the ice just so they could get some more "good" footage for their videos.
Well I agree that the sealers themselves don't intend the hunt to be inhumane the greatest factor in the creation of circumstances of inhumanity in the hunt is the short time in which the DFO has allowed the quotas to be filled. Everyone is in a rush. The last thing a fellow sealer wants to be seen doing by his comrades is "taking his time".
An injured seal that cannot swim yet, is not "comfortable" in the water. If the seal could swim, it would have swum away.
Actually, there are instances like this because the hakapik is replaced by the rifle due to short-sighted, haemoglobin-triggered public reaction. The hakapik is precise and instant. The rifle used from a bobbing vessel is not. The hakapik's gruesome visual effects is a godsend for fundraising campaings, however.
The documentary states 40 minutes had passed from the time it was taken out of the ice and shot dead.
If they truly wanted to save the seal as they stated they were doing they would have had a professional assess the seal right then and there. Weren't there any veterinarians or marine biologists in their crew ?
BTW, the troll is a permanently banned user who created this latest account the day his previous account was suspended for harassing me.
"HSUS shot the seal to put it out of it's misery, and it wasn't a sealer."
A sealer would have been the only person permitted to kill the seal. The HSUS did not have a license to kill seals, they had an observers permit, big difference.
Wayne Pacelle is nothing more than a modern day Adolf Hitler. When is the US government stepping in to stop this anti-American dictator? It's about choice, and I choose not to be a vegan. That is my right!
Veganism is the moral bottom line for non violence towards living beings, human and non human alike, so if it's your right not to be a vegan(fine) then what's with your stupid name?
Thanks for the video. :) I wonder how many other videos of animal cruelty are actually staged by animal rights activists. :(
I still don't understand why so many people, even non-vegans, are against sealing. They have no problem eating a burger or wearing leather, but then killing a seal is seen as a travesty for some reason.
Sadly, Animal Rights activists prey upon the public's stupidity and irrational emotions and it works sometimes. :(
Anyone associated with HSUS is a domestic terrorist just like the HSUS corporation. No human should be harmed because they do not subscribe to the HSUS "complete animal liberation" campaign. Please HSUS, no more hate mongering, no more violence. Please seek goals that no longer hurt Americans, SUCH AS HUMAN BEINGS, and animals alike!
When is Wayne Pacelle running for his Senate seat? He spent over 5,000,000 HSUS donations dollars on the Obama campaign. Oh, I thought donations were going to animals...anyone waking up to what HSUS is about? It's about the CEO and his political career. Get the facts before you donate to HSUS. Donate to local humane societies ONLY! NEVER to HSUS. Do it for the animals, not politics.
Not that I'm aware of. You'd need to see if "Phoque, le film" was dubbed into English. The interview part of this video is unlikely to be found in English.
Before he died, George Carlin wrote, "By in large, words are tools most often used to hide the truth." In this video we see his maxim being demonstrated at its finest. When I mute the video, I see an drowning seal being rescued from the icy waters of the St. Laurence bay. Anyone see anything different?
Interesting then that you should attempt to bias the images yourself. If anything the seal was bleeding, not drowning. Icy cold means nothing to it (blubber, anyone? is this a perfect example of projection?). I see a seal trying to escape the humans it fears, and being instrumentalized with hardly any empathy.
The quote is interesting. The animal rights movement should also read it in the light of its own actions (some of which are good and necessary, IMHO). Then again, one can always find a convenient quote said by someone before dying (which makes it so much more true, it seems).
The world should start the US boycott. Enough of the US imperial aggression. Stand up and shout we have had enough of the lies, deceit and slaughter of millions. Maybe when faced with a collapsed economy the USaian people will stop this horrible foreign policy.
Why doesn't the Humane society of the US try and bring an end to the annual Iraqi slaughter? I guess tens of thousands of Iraqis are of little concern.
Blah, blah, blah Qwerty. That's like telling the cop that just pulled you over, "Don't you have better things to be doing with your time?" Doesn't make what you're doing any less wrong.
blah blah blah get some new analogies. The world DOES NOT need the Athabasca oil sands!! That project is far more detrimental to the world than sealing. Typical USaian response, save the seals but fuck the planet. I find if funny, you think you are so smart yet you constantly come up with dumb ideas. You really need to get a clue. PS I also find it funny you critisize peoples spelling all the time, yet you make numerous mistakes yourself.
Attacking the repetition of my arguments doesn't make them go away or any less valid. I know, If you can't clear a hurdle then by all means, attack the hurdle. I attack people's inability to express themselves without the us of fowl language. If someone uses fowl language against me, then I'll use it against them seeing as it's the only language they understand. BTW: I use Firefox spell check on all my posts. It's automatic. If something is misspelled, it's probably a miskey.
So you use firefox spell check because you can't spell. Yet then you hack on people for getting something spelled wrong. Hmm interesting. I also notice you comment on their spelling when they have good arguements. hmmm interesting.
No it means you can't spell, yet you critisize others who make the same mistakes. Some might call that shallow and pathetic. Same as anti-sealers(including you) calling the sealers inbred, stupid, etc without even knowing them. They're more than likely from kansas themselves or some other place that probably grows corn.
Qwerty. Again trying to create smoke where there is no fire. IF you had finished a bachelor's degree and handed in uncountable numbers of term papers, you would know that not spell-checking your work is simply ignorance in action. I always use spell-check regardless of if I am confident of my spelling or not. Now, go look up the word soporific, because that's what your line of questioning has made me.
Oh once again assuming playboy? You just "ASSUME" I didn't go to university? Oh is that mud on your face. Once again talking garbage. If you had actually gone to university then you would know the term "proof reading" which is MORE important than spell check. Oh playboy you sillyboy.
I have never been to the ice floes, sorry to burst your bubble. I will always support the sealers right to hunt though. And I will always protest the Athabasca tar sands project. Do you know why it is going ahead???? Yes that's right, because the USAians want safe dirty oil for their country.
I'm tired of hearing that old argument of "The USA has only 1/100th of the global population but uses 1/4th of the world power." That's right we do use 1/4 of the world power. You wanna know why? Because we have the worlds largest GDP! Translated that means we still make almost everything the world buys! Our power usage is the product of the world subcontracting out it's goods demands to us because they're to inept to make it themselves. Now go look up the word "inept".
As you can see your goods are no longer being bought up like before. Before my own eyes I am watching the demise of the US empire. It's exciting to watch history in the making.
If you and I were to sit down and rail against the US, we'd probably have a lot of good times. I'm filled with contempt for the arrogance and outright belligerence with which the USA goes about destroying other countries either through war or through economic manipulation. Further, the USA's war upon it's own and the sale of tomorrow for the grandeur of today is "bleeding" the country of it's very own vitality. I have no allegiance to this cesspool. Yeah I said "cesspool".
You're right, I'm assuming you didn't go to college. Anyone who did would understand the seal hunt is a simple tool to placate a ruined industry and its workers. Yet you argue the most archaic, easily defused and childish arguments like those of a 3rd grader. Now go look up the word "placate".
Haha I always have a good laugh at you. YOu honestly think you are so smart yet you aren't. I would assume people teased you often when you were younger and now you try your best to assert your self. Did they tease you because your grandfather was a Nazi and a savage? Is that why you are trying to save seals? Are you trying to atone for your grandfather helping slaughter millions of innocent people.
No, if I were trying to atone for my grandfathers involvement in the war, I would be trying to save people, now wouldn't I? However, I will always wrestle where the line between love and contempt for my grandfather should lye. I will probably only know the full truth after he dies. Still, I will always be proud of the bravery my grandfather showed on the battle field and the countless murder attempts by Hitler's proxy command he survived. Now go look up the word "proxy".
haha you keep assuming you are smarter than me. Sad thing is you are only making your self look ignorant..you can look that big word up later if you like. I wonder if they properly investigated your grandfather? Not only a Nazi but an SS, I sure would hate to have that hanging over my head if I were you. Being a spawn of the most hated group of the 20th century. Poor you. I now understand your arrogance, you germans seem to act that way.
Yes he was properly investigated. He spent 6 months in jail after the war. What nationality are you Qwery? French? Any idea what your people did to the American Inuit? They didn't try to decimate the Inuit..They did. Now, if you want to talk about evil, then we all belong in that boat, but being stupid enough to walk right into that one, I'm certain you don't know a thing about history either. Do yo know why the Turks aren't being allowed into the EU. Guilty of ethnic cleansing. Last century.
Don't insult me by calling me French *vomits* Actually I am quite well read when it comes to history and I know all about the Armenian genocide. I also know about the fucken catholic and protestant church with their rediculous schools in canada, which many native children died from disease and abuse. Yet another reason I hate religion.
Ok, this discussion has been mildly entertaining to follow, as much for the common ground as for the ground-level argumentation, but qwerty you are slipping towards racist/nationalist slurs re: Germans, USAnians or the French. Incidentally, I'm francophone and that doesn't seem to trigger my gag reflex. Stay proper or be blocked. Also, such comments only remove credibility to one's arguments and point of view. Same goes for condescendence, XB70.
I don't like to say Americans when I refer to the US. That country has destroyed the good name of "America" which last time I looked was North America and South America, not the US. Therefore I now refer to it as USAians.
Do you have another argument about the seal hunt I can copy/paste yet another one of my "following Qwery" cookie-cutter responses to, or are you actually going to sit here and debate whether using a spell-checker is a sign of stupidity or common sense?
What's more, if you're noticing a repetition to my rebuttals, it's probably because I'm following you around as you make all the same baseless and easily dismissible arguments over and over again. No wonder you don't like my repetition. Here. I'll just start a Word file named "Following Qwerty" and from now on all I have to do is copy/paste my responses to your baseless rhetoric.
Oh like your baseless rhetoric? wait wait here's a good one from playboy..."hey sealers how about you go get a job at the environmentally friendly athabasca oil sands. I am not smart enough to investigate the oil sands but I still think you should work there". Yeah great idea playboy.
Yeah. Thanks for accurately quoting me there Qert'. Not! Did yo know that even as the globe moves to Hydrogen fuels we will still be burning other carbon based fuels to make the Hydrogen? It's kind like an electric car. All we've done is move the pollution from the exhaust back to the power plant. The use of any fuel releases carbon in one way or another. We're screwed. Do I condone the Tar-sands. No. But at least it doesn't give your country the black eye baby-sealing does. It's a solution.
Are you kidding me. The tar sands are FAR worse than sealing. They almost single handedly bring Canada to the top of the list of world polluters. They tar sands should remain how they are, buried. Stop trying to back peddle. YOu know dawn well you condone the tar sands as it might take one sealer away from NewFoundland.
The mining of the Tar-sands is going to happen either with, or without you. It is inevitable. Now you can either martyr yourselves by going down with a sinking ship, or stop using the bad argument of, "you're keeping us from making money". We have presented you with a life raft and we'll be damned if you balk your very own rescue simply because you don't know the raft we have given you. Understand?!
If the hunt is "humane", why was that seal left to suffer? She wasn't the only one. Nice edit job on the video, Jomphe - you left out the bit where they're trying to make arrangements to take the pup to the vet college in PEI to save her life, nor do you show the sealers come back after nearly an hour and stab a spike through her head (note: a spike is an illegal weapon. Where was DFO while this was going on?) Why didn't you show any of that? Because it didn't fit your "plot", I guess.
The seal was "left to suffer" because the hakapik, due to it being visually unpalatable, has been replaced by the rifle, despite the former being the better instrument for the (yes, gruesome) job. I challenge you to hit a target from a boat's bobbing and rolling deck. Also, Jomphe does say in the narration that a sealer eventually came by to put the seal out of its misery.
The world should start the US boycott. Enough of the US imperial aggression. Stand up and shout we have had enough of the lies, deceit and slaughter of millions. Maybe when faced with a collapsed economy the USaian people will stop this horrible foreign policy.
Now I hope you are as diligent with all countries that commit gross human rights violations or have industries with dubious environmental or social records, in addition to those where cute animals are hunted (with or without camera scrutiny). You should end up with a substantial stash of money in your unspent account.
Don't buy canadian snow crab, mussels, scallops & canadian lobster.
Also boycott Canadian Pacific Salmon!
Canadians there are also to blame they had the chance to put a stop to it and the capability to oust government officials out of office, but allowed it to continue. So be it. They had the chance.
put Boycott Canadian Seafood into google & get tons of info, tell all your friends, write to companies to join in & pass it on. It's now the world uniting against it.
Could you please boycott our tar sands oil, too? It would actually be more helpful and work towards a truly important cause. But of course, habitat loss is not as spectacular as nerves firing in a dead seal or "one brutal swift swing" (which, incidentally, makes it a painful death, so let's all go bonkers over dead seals.
I hope you don't kill bugs on the freeway. And don't tell me they are less significant or marvelous than seals.
The seafood boycott also failed because people were able to see that most Canadian seafood was physically isolated from the seal hunt. The Pacific fishery's on the other side of the continent and the Atlantic fishery is far from limited to the areas where the sealing activity happens. The sealers are only responsible for a minute amount of it.
Typical pro sealer, Block people when there opinion doesnt agree with there own. 40mins filmed then another 40mins before a sealer finally killed the poor seal. yer id say that was REALLY humane.Thats exactly what happens in slaughter houses."yer rite" They dont try and shoot cattle from a moving object.Then take up to(what did you say)an hour 20 to finally kill it??
LOL ! I was CENSORED by your precious Sea Shepherd for posting REAL figures. I blocked you from sending me mail via this system because you're just some foreigner that want to bash sealers.
You cannot harass me into thinking your way so there's no point in you pestering me without your blatant ignorance.
The whole idea of you tube is for people to have their say. Im hardly Harassing you. Im also not trying to make you think my way either.Just like people who believe its ok to skin animals alive in china for their fur arnt ever gona change i truly believe you never will either.
You aren't having your say or voicing your opinion. You are simply repeating the bigoted opinions of a few elitists and self appointed vigilantes who use conjecture and exagerations to get their way.
The so called evidence of live skinning failed scrutiny at the European Union. The EFSA report says it all : EFSA-Q-2007-118
yes ! i also got blocked from some anti sealing videos just for raising some viable comments ? its all about what they want to hear rather than to hear some truth !
They block but apparently they wont stop harassing people.
I just got another half witted comment from one of the anti-sealing trolls, who insists on trying to validate the white coat pictures found in their solicitations, with the same dumb arguments - That i've addressed quite a few times now.
I had blocked him months back so he just harasses me via the comments on other people's videos. Pathetic.
And as for Paul Watson calling sealers "APES". That is kinda rude. If i was an ape id be so pissed off to be compare to a sealer. Id compare a sealer to that stuff you find at a park.... dog shit.Smelly kinda useless and pisses people off when they see it.
This video isn't about Sea Shepard, Paul Watson, the L'Acadien II incident or Paul's comments. This comment therefore falls under the community guideline definitions as "spam".
interesting that you have managed to take over the comments section on a video showing you staging animal suffering.....must be a lot of work to hide reality so efectively...while your love of animals is genuine nicolatwo ,know your being used to parrot their propaganda for their financial gain.
The hunt only retrieves 12 million dollars, which is reduced to only 6 million after expenses are deducted, and even just counting ice-breaking services which cost the taxpayers 24 million dollars, this makes the seal hunt an 18 million dollar loss right there, and the hunt is economically unviable. It panders to a handful of violent extremist lobbyists and destroys the honor of the entire nation of canada.
ice breaking is carried out anyway its the gulf of st lawrence ,the main shipping lane for Canada...theres more traffic including ferry services, tankers freighters,and fisherys other than the seals..shrimp fishing takes place as soon as sealing is over in the month of april for example .the lobster fleet also requires the bays be opened......God you people love to lie. even worse +7 on the comments you people have spewed this garbage so much people belive it
saying that it cost taxpayers 18 million is equvilant to saying whatever it cost to repair and maintain the highway in spring is what it costs taxpayers to truck seals the hunt seldom even lasts a week...and then its the rescues that cost extra the bays are cleared of ice for other trafic anyway...you people have propaganda down to a science.....why didnt you finish with send your checks and moneyorders too: your name here
I am searching for facts on the seal hunt, coming from the point of view that is is cruel. Most of the videos I have seen so far have clearly shown that at least the hakapik method is cruel, in my opinion. But with that said, this group that tortured that baby seal for 80+ minutes should have the full weight of whatever laws thrown on them.
It just goes to show you, no matter what position you pick on something, there will always be bad people.
wow is that footage of the animal rights groups staging things...suprise, suprise ,suprise,....well actualy no Newfoundlanders have know this for years...if they don't stage it themselvs they chase and harass fishermen into making a mistake in their haste....truth be told they ifaw and sea shepherd love the seal hunt...an unendangered species that provides a windfall of money each spring...the brain washed deckhands on the sea shepherd however i both pity and fear..watch sea shepherd crew cheers
@grandifolia: I'll try my best to not anger anyone here but sometime it's hard to keep a cold head when some peoples aren't giving some respect to others before. Thanks
sealhuntifawcanada also blocked for asking fellow forum user to shut up. (That's my prerogative, and it doesn't even go that far. Mine is simply an invitation to take your style of comments elsewhere).
For ExposeScams: You are promoting scams, not exposing scams. The seal hunter supporters, which you are part of, have managed to get sealhuntifawcanada suspended. Shameful of the seal hunter supporters. The activists are fighting hard to protect the seals and to inform the public. They are the ones who need to stay. The haters and animal abusers are the ones who all need to get suspended!
people - is it that difficult to keep argumentation at an adult level? nicolatwo suspended, name-calling. Leaving his message here, you judge for yourselves.
Also leaving his invite for his 4-part video, as he's allowed his own forum. Please use critical thinking generously when viewing.
@sealhuntifawcanada: I'll clear my state here. I'm not against or for the sealhunt. I have clearly state that I hate Paul Watson and their friends like PETA or HSUS. And I don't support any commercial hunt that kill animal over what we really need to. As long the hunted species is not in danger, I'm fine with it and it's not the case of the seal in the Gulf.
And why today the pelts are not sold so much today? Thanks for animal right activists, for having done propanganda in the lasts 30 years. When the seal hunt will be over in Canada, they will attack on another commercial hunt. They just want total animals liberation and turn everyone to be vegan. And wearing fur is not as bad to wear synthetic cloths. Blood is as much on petrol base product than the animal hunt itself.
"for useless hunts which shame the nation, cause economic loss & take people's lives?"
Useless hunt, you really think of it. States your sources here. I'm curious. Economic loss, yeah right. If it wasn't giving a profit, it's a long time the hunt would have been over. You really don't know what is about to earn his life as a fisherman. I must say that you are knowing nothing at all of the reality, except the info gives by HSUS and SSCS.
Sealhuntifawcanada, you are really out of reality. Your comment make no sense at all. DFO and Loyola Hearn are very far to be named killer in this case. DFO was rescuing the sealers. What you are saying is like if someone is drowning and the lifeguard wasn't able to save this person. Would you say that the lifeguard is a killer? He have go swimming and it's is problem, not mine?
Seriously dude, you are not helping this cause at all. Keep going to convince me that I'm right in my beliefs.
It's funny to heard from a guy, who think animal live are as much valuable than human life. No condoleance showed or anything, he just talk about seal on his commentary. He said that it was good for the seal. Yeah right, hypocrites.
Their is no debate possible with anti-seal or any animal rights activists. They know everything and have always the last words. They will never recognize the reality at some point. I have always give respect to their cause, but since March 2008, I begin to hate them because of Paul Watson. Why? What this guy have said about the four sealers who have died last winter in Canadian east coast. He have said that their lives was not more tragical than seals live.
sealhuntifawcanada blocked for name-calling and personnal insults, offending posts (2) removed. Too bad, as s/he could otherwise provide arguments and figures, albeit without references. My posting policy is explicit.
Also, watch out for excessive use of ALLCAPS. This is a discussion forum, folks, not a Nigerian advance fee fraud page.
Justaddbacon just owned sealhuntifawcanada... funny how he doesn't reply now that he's just been told off. Surely this person wants to have a debate! Debating as in marking everyone other then him and anti-sealers as spam.
Your comment has absolutely no point in regards of mine. I do a translation, then you talk about the DFO passing laws making it illegal for people to interfere with the seal hunt. You seem to be all over the place with your comments, I suggest reading them before posting them... it may help a little.
And in regards to your comment, of course it's illegal. It's not like people go behind the counter at McDonalds and blow horns at the grill staff and protest while they try to do work...
I can't stand it when some animalist become anti-humanism and make comment like that.
My motto on the matter: "Stop Propanganda. States your sources". Some animals right organisms should think about it cause I don't find reliable sources in their propanganda video.
Translation: "But when she was delivering her message to the camera, the seal attempted to escape in the water, no doubt terrified by the humans who profit from their agony. Instead of letting it go in a sign of compassion, or at least let it die in peace, they brought the seal back from out of the water instead of leaving it alone. They then began to film it suffering for 40 more minutes, until a sealer came and put it out of it's misery."
This is a about seal massacre, not fishing, which I consider an honorable profession. But clubbing seal pups is a horrible, cruel, bloody profession. If sealers, not fishermen, continue in that "occupation", they'd better be ready to face the world's condemnation and face activists' monitoring for the rest of their lives. If unemployment remains high in those areas, well they should do like their ancestors did a long time ago: immigrate to a wealthier lands/provinces/country.
euskadino: Do you know the history of peoples of Magdalen Islands? They are the descendants of these Cajuns who got deported by the English in 1755. They had nowhere to go and they have find these islands. They have learn to live there since this date. So I really find your last words very poor.
I am fully aware of the unjust deportation of the Acadians from Nova Scotia & the current British refusal to apologize, even though they're conscious of what represented a human tragedy of great proportion.Le Grand Dérangement-the Great Expulsion- caused Acadians to disperse among the American Colonies (esp. Louisiana where the name "Cajun" came from), France and Îles de la Madeleine. Henry Longfellow's Poem "Evangeline" is about an Acadian girl separated from her lover due to the deportation.
I know SSCS does pursue wrightful causes, and I for one never said they only went for the cute factor. I said they irritate me when they do, and lose credibility as far as I am concerned. I've seen fellow environmentalists that were a little quick on the trigger pointing at clearcuts when in fact it was a blowdown salvage cutting. Sometimes we need to go beyond the pixels to seek proper understanding.
Please, no *allcaps*, it's against netiquette. Except for acronyms, obviously...
I hope as well but am not keeping my fingers crossed. And I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Farley Mowat pursue its actions when truly endangered species are involed (such as most whales, or red tuna fisheries in the Mediterranean). It's their shameless and lazy use of the spectacular hunt of an animal whose population is booming that really disgusts me.
Yes, and we can say that of other departments as well, and the Prime Minister's Office is increasingly interfering where it has no business. Very apparent under the current government, but had started before. Health Canada is another untrustworthy structure, AFAIAC.
Hm, I wouldn't link animal rights activists and far left necessarily. Not to do a reductio ad hitlerum here, but A. Hitler was reportedly a strong animal rights proponent. Sometimes animal welfare can verge onto anti-humanism (as illustrated by Watson's statement after the loss of 4 human lives this spring), which both extremes of the left-right spectrum have excelled in.
I suspect the opinion on this issue varies greatly form one province to the next. I live in eastern Quebec, several hundred miles away from the hunt but close enough to b feel that the general sentiment *here* is not anti-hunt. But Canada is a big country... Unfortunately the Newfoundland gov. has/will legislate to ban the hakapik and only allow the shotgun. The use of the hakapik is spectacular and easy to spin into an anti-hunt campaign (next comment)
(see previous) whereas the use of a shotgun is much more tricky: while the hakapik ensures an immediate death, try shooting accurately and lethally from a bobbing vessel. Individual seals will suffer from this. I digress, though. I guess my point is that the gov. will likely do stuff to quiet down the cow-milking activists while issues requiring immediate attention (war, famine, pollution, ...) lose airtime to this distraction (IMHO).
The slaughter is "humane". I guess you'd like to believe that, wouldn't you? The HSUS is trying to stop the useless, stupid slaughter and it should do whatever it takes to wake people up to the fact that it still goes on... some people still think it stopped in the '80's. I support whatever they do to stop it.
To say the least, HSUS is not very ethical.
bushbob2000 2 weeks ago
YAY!!!!!!!!! Thank goodness someone put up the truth about these idiot do gooders. How dare they come up with their bleeding hearts and tell the people who have respect for the animals they eat and hunt how to live and especially how to hunt. It drives me mad. It angers me at the continued arrogance of the white man. If they don't like it don't eat them....but try to live up north without eating meat. Please...do try it and enjoy your death.
Mssilverfur9 1 month ago
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HSUS does not run a single animal shelter, of the 131 million raised in 2010 only 527,566, or 0.4 percent went to any shelter nationwide while $32 million went into hedge funds.
As local shelters struggle to keep their doors open, HSUS is raising millions of dollars a month from unwitting donors to bankroll an animal rights agenda and fund a huge staff of lawyers and lobbyists, a bloated executive pension plan, and exorbitant fundraising expenses
MrFederalistPapers 2 months ago
seals are overpopulated in some areas. off the coast of one canadian island the seals have nearly wiped out an entire species of fish, which in turn will knock the eco-system out of whack. this will over time eventually lead to the extinction of many species in the area including the native seals. the cruelist thing is anti-hunting and anti-trapping. HSUS, PETA, ASPCA and others have decieved everyone of their supporters I wish everyone would stand up to these cruel "animal rights" organizations
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A big Thank you! to everyone who got out and voted against this Money and Power hungry giant! Almost 1 million people spoke out against this--that is a lot guys! AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE RICH CELEBRITIES BACKING US!!!! Great work! The fight is far from over--lets stick together and continue to educate everyone on the HSUS and their deceptive ways. By all means--donate to your local shelters and HS--but don't let this animal extremist see another cent!
KnowledgeisPower2011 1 year ago
wow, an anti-sealing group not really caring about seals... unbelievable! hahahaha note the sarcasm, Ive seen the anti sealing jackasses in Canada, they eat more beef and pork and other animals in one day of filming the all canadian sealers kill in an entire year. Fuck them.
petergonefar 1 year ago
To anyone interested to have the full movie translated, I have it on my channel. Have an informed opinion =)
Kerokittycat 1 year ago
Down with H$U$ and the rest of the animal rights nut jobs.
I say yank H$U$'s tax exempt status!
kwnewfie 1 year ago
You can never trust the HSUS. Few animal rights groups have mastered the art of deceit and deception as well as the Humane Society of the United States. It's one of the most dangerous and dishonest animal rights organizations in the world today.
bushbob2000 1 year ago
Learn about "chemtrails"
TrutherD1 2 years ago
Ah yes the constant question
Is the animal more important than the human, should it be tortured and killed based on the status we give it?
Who cares. Why devalue any form of life. All life is sacred, why settle for anything less?
101101101777 2 years ago
HSUS is doing great work, helping animals from murderers
elliemaejellybean 2 years ago
and in the process torturing animals. tvs are mind control. they put you in a drugged sleep state, then your brain is open to be washed in to believing the hsus is good.
theamazingplant2 2 years ago
Doing Great Work???You could say that if you were not wise enough to see they flipped that wounded seal over onto it's back so that escape was not going to happen as they continued filming. H$US is all about the money . 20 years ago 1.5 million seals were found on Atlantic coast. Despite culling 1 million seals every three year period the seal herd jumped to 6 million animals. That math shows Maritime Canada will soon have a busted Marine Ecosystem.
DonnieTHORMacLEOD 2 years ago
@elliemaejellybean who's helping the animals from the predatory animals that murder? murder is a human related term that involves only humans.
Ersabette 2 years ago
Bravo to you!! Bravo! Many, many of the videos of extreme suffering by ARA's are staged. Their lies need to be exposed.
RunAMuckGirl 2 years ago
Great video!
Proof that almost all environmentalists are hypocrites whos only goal is to impose their will unto other people at any costs, not give compassion to or save animals.
flanksteak2 2 years ago
Um, no. This is evidence of one particular organisation. And please don't confuse "environmentalists" and "animal-rights activists". I consider I belong to the first group, yet I firmly believe in democracy and if as a group Homo sapiens isn't able to alter its course and save itself, well, tough. As a dad it pains me though.
grandifolia 2 years ago
Everybody is an environmentalist.
Their movement has succeeded. The United States has the strictest and most strictly enforced environmental laws in the world.
Right now, you are wasting electricity making posts on youtube on a computer made with plastic in China.
Exactly what is "environmentally friendly" about those actions?
flanksteak2 2 years ago
Being an environmentalist does not necessarily equal having zero impact. Just like being a capitalist doesn't *always* mean being a short-sighted greedy SOB who has the laughable belief that free enterprise will solve everything. But you are right if you mean we should use labels with caution. Allow me then to not call myself an environmentalist but to say that I think environmental issues are not getting a fraction of the attention they deserve (including their social and economic dimensions).
grandifolia 2 years ago
Todays environmentalist is about telling other people to change while they keep the same behavior and luxuries for themselves.
Al Gore is the posterchild for todays "environmental" movement.
flanksteak2 2 years ago
It's so much easier to make sweeping generalizations and pigeonholing a diverse movement into a caricature, isn't it? Less threatening to one's world view than dealing with (shudder) nuance. I know some environmentalists that have nothing to do with luxuries, yet are fairly prominent on the media scene in this province.
grandifolia 2 years ago
It has nothing to do with ease, it has to do with my personal experience.
You have people living in the United States in tract homes purchasing rainforest so they can "save" it?
WTF? What about all the trees that were cut down so they can eat? Build their houses? Their schools? Etc.
Why do they think it's ok to have it for themselves but not for 3rd world countries?
flanksteak2 2 years ago
Ah, yes, those acre certificates. I too disagree with that approach. Agrarian reform, fair traid (as in no dumping or unfair subsidies) and access to proper soils are among the solutions. For having seen them myself, rainforest soils don't sustain proper agriculture for very long.
_A Short History of Progress_ documents well how the Maya civilization collapsed following massive deforestation - the forest returned, you'll note. Ultimately, environmentalism is about us.
grandifolia 2 years ago
Very few soils sustain agriculture very long. That is why we have fertilizer.
Instead of buying the land and telling them they can't farm it, their cause would get more net gain by purchasing fertilizer for them so they don't have to keep cutting down trees.
Instead, they conclude that there are too many people in the world.
flanksteak2 2 years ago
It's a little more complex than that in the case of rainforest soils. Nutrient cycles there don't go below the litter layer and into the mineral soil. That mineral soil ends up making excellent brick material after a few seasons of baking in the sun. But we digress here. Please continue via personal messages if you want to go on.
(The conclusion can also be that some areas need protection for biodiversity, and that the problem of overpopulation is rather one of wealth distribution).
grandifolia 2 years ago
a plot of land only several meters squared is enough to produce a good yield for more than one family, using techniques like crop rotation, using the bio mass of previous plants, composting and permaculture techniques so chemical fertilizer is not required. bigger is not always better, we don't need to have massive tracts of land in one space devoted to growing, just little plots in many places for local distribution. AND Converting downtown skyscrapers into greenhouses!!!
101101101777 2 years ago
@101101101777
Yeah right. You couldn't even fix a plugged toilet and you want me to believe you have done all the necessary to prove your claims or even be convinced you could grow a house plant without killing it?
flanksteak2 2 years ago
I can grow house plants, their easy buddy!!!
I don't care what you believe but you could try thinking when you read.
101101101777 2 years ago
AHA! I seriously just fixed the toilet 5mins ago
101101101777 2 years ago
@101101101777
Putting the seat down so your mother doesn't paddle you is not the same as fixing a mechanical problem with the toilet.
flanksteak2 2 years ago
@flanksteak2 do you actually have anything useful to type?
101101101777 2 years ago
I'm a human on Earth that would have cared for the environment regardless of movements
101101101777 2 years ago
Poster of this video. I noticed in your more info section that you say, "Reading these comments will tell you which side has elements against freedom of speech." I guess that explains the false flagging campaigns waged against those people trying to post "Stop the seal hunt" videos. Numerous videos have been false flagged and channels suspended because seal hunt supporters don't want the world to see the seal hunt.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
I refer to this page here. I didn't scour the internet to do a statistically significant comparative study.
I do know however that HSUS tried legal actions to prevent this excerpt shown above from being aired.
grandifolia 2 years ago
Deux commentaires virulents contre les animalistes retirés à cause de référence à des 'fifs', ce qui est péjoratif et n'a pas rapport. Le premier était aussi d'un "français" lamentable...
grandifolia 2 years ago
Like I said, a lot of so called "education videos" put out by groups like Peta, HSUS and ALF are in reality, animal snuff films.
I saw one in Korea where they were skinning a Tanuki while it was still alive. They were doing this for ALF, not against ALF what so ever.
If that's not sick, than I dunno what is.
AngelMeiru 2 years ago
What a bunch of propagandist BS. "animal snuff film". You have not one shred of proof.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
H$U$ is exactly like PETA. They have $200 million in the bank. Why don't they give it to local Humane societies who do all the work on small budgets. H$U$ takes credit for large puppy mill busts when they actually show up for the cameras then hand all the dogs over to local Humane Societies and rescue groups.Don't donate to H$US ! Donate to your local rescue groups.
patteel 2 years ago
dammit HSUS, I thought I liked you guys, you're now starting to look like PETA
patzivota22 2 years ago
Nice way to "Pretend" your some kind of animal rights advocate. You're a staunch seal hunt supporter. Anyone can look on the comments of these videos and see you've supported the hunt since you opened your channel.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
comments on what video? pretending to be an animal rights activist... did I say I was one? Please directly me to the statement where I said I am an activist.
you're username explains it all actually.
patzivota22 2 years ago
Sorry. Mistaken ID. What don't you like about the video shown in this.....video? It's obvious they seal hunt supporters are trying to make HSUS responsible for mopping up after their brutal slaughter. If the seal slaughter didn't take place this would never have happened to begin with. It's called cause and effect.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
Well, what do you think? The Earth spins on people responding to situations and acting whether there's emotion involved or not.
I did actually research this situation seen above in the video. I did see a video showing the complete version of this footage where in fact HSUS shot the seal to put it out of it's misery, and it wasn't a sealer. They took it out of the water to do so, it most likely would have drowned.
Though, still, I don't know it THAT is 100%. Who knows.
patzivota22 2 years ago
Well, it's not the HSUS's responsibility to mop up after the sloppy seal hunters. If as the seal hunters say, the slaughter is so, "humane" then there shouldn't be instances like this. The HSUS was there for one reason; to present the images of the seal hunt to the court of public opinion. A court which has found them guilty of crimes against the planet. The video in question severed to save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of seals from the same fate. Mission accomplished.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
Messy kills happpen some time. Its not the sealer's intent to leave them suffering. It'd be like saying hunters are commiting "crimes against the planet" because a kill wasn't clean or because the individual hunter was a jerk. There's no difference between killing a deer and a seal.
Two wrongs don't make a right. These people purposefully hauled that seal out of the comfort of the water onto the ice just so they could get some more "good" footage for their videos.
Fleefles 2 years ago
Well I agree that the sealers themselves don't intend the hunt to be inhumane the greatest factor in the creation of circumstances of inhumanity in the hunt is the short time in which the DFO has allowed the quotas to be filled. Everyone is in a rush. The last thing a fellow sealer wants to be seen doing by his comrades is "taking his time".
An injured seal that cannot swim yet, is not "comfortable" in the water. If the seal could swim, it would have swum away.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
Actually, there are instances like this because the hakapik is replaced by the rifle due to short-sighted, haemoglobin-triggered public reaction. The hakapik is precise and instant. The rifle used from a bobbing vessel is not. The hakapik's gruesome visual effects is a godsend for fundraising campaings, however.
grandifolia 2 years ago
It was the seal hunter's idea to transition to the less effective rifle, not the activist group's.
CoffinCornerX 2 years ago
And why did they decide that?
grandifolia 2 years ago
I guess the troll doesn't speak french.
The documentary states 40 minutes had passed from the time it was taken out of the ice and shot dead.
If they truly wanted to save the seal as they stated they were doing they would have had a professional assess the seal right then and there. Weren't there any veterinarians or marine biologists in their crew ?
BTW, the troll is a permanently banned user who created this latest account the day his previous account was suspended for harassing me.
canucktunes 2 years ago
Forgot to mention that it is rather stupid to claim the HSUS are being asked to do anything by the sealing industry.
The HSUS are nothing to Canada. Unlike the SPCA and real humane societies of Canada, they have no legislative or enforcement powers.
The only reason they're on the ice is to observe. That's their only purpose there. Period.
canucktunes 2 years ago
"HSUS shot the seal to put it out of it's misery, and it wasn't a sealer."
A sealer would have been the only person permitted to kill the seal. The HSUS did not have a license to kill seals, they had an observers permit, big difference.
Ersabette 2 years ago
Wayne Pacelle is nothing more than a modern day Adolf Hitler. When is the US government stepping in to stop this anti-American dictator? It's about choice, and I choose not to be a vegan. That is my right!
TrueAnimalCaring 2 years ago
@TrueAnimalCaring
Veganism is the moral bottom line for non violence towards living beings, human and non human alike, so if it's your right not to be a vegan(fine) then what's with your stupid name?
101101101777 1 year ago
Grandifolia, could it be possible to post an english transcript or summary of what the people are saying in the clip?
Rietto 2 years ago
Done. Thanks for the nudge.
grandifolia 2 years ago
Thanks so much. =)
Rietto 2 years ago
Thanks for the video. :) I wonder how many other videos of animal cruelty are actually staged by animal rights activists. :(
I still don't understand why so many people, even non-vegans, are against sealing. They have no problem eating a burger or wearing leather, but then killing a seal is seen as a travesty for some reason.
Sadly, Animal Rights activists prey upon the public's stupidity and irrational emotions and it works sometimes. :(
Fleefles 2 years ago
We should open the animalist hunting season. You could club them or shoot them humanely.
tommysch 2 years ago
tht is just discutsing me
wy2hott4u 2 years ago
Anyone associated with HSUS is a domestic terrorist just like the HSUS corporation. No human should be harmed because they do not subscribe to the HSUS "complete animal liberation" campaign. Please HSUS, no more hate mongering, no more violence. Please seek goals that no longer hurt Americans, SUCH AS HUMAN BEINGS, and animals alike!
TrueAnimalCaring 3 years ago
When is Wayne Pacelle running for his Senate seat? He spent over 5,000,000 HSUS donations dollars on the Obama campaign. Oh, I thought donations were going to animals...anyone waking up to what HSUS is about? It's about the CEO and his political career. Get the facts before you donate to HSUS. Donate to local humane societies ONLY! NEVER to HSUS. Do it for the animals, not politics.
TrueAnimalCaring 3 years ago
is there a full english video like this one ?
223gunner 3 years ago
Not that I'm aware of. You'd need to see if "Phoque, le film" was dubbed into English. The interview part of this video is unlikely to be found in English.
grandifolia 3 years ago
poly fu francis!
WaynePacelle4U 3 years ago
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HSUS does not SUPPORT or is AFFFILIATED WITH local humane society shelters as their name may suggest. The true humane societies
are struggling everyday taking care of these helpless animals. HSUS can fund and run ALL humane societies in the US. It makes
me sad how they spend the donations of unsuspecting donors. Only 4 cents of every dollar donated goes to hands-on caring of
animals. Proof? Look at their public tax return posted on their site and do the math.
No more Wayne Parcelle!
TrueAnimalCaring 3 years ago
If you own more than one pit bull you are a dog fighter says HSUS
gamedog2009 3 years ago
Before he died, George Carlin wrote, "By in large, words are tools most often used to hide the truth." In this video we see his maxim being demonstrated at its finest. When I mute the video, I see an drowning seal being rescued from the icy waters of the St. Laurence bay. Anyone see anything different?
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Interesting then that you should attempt to bias the images yourself. If anything the seal was bleeding, not drowning. Icy cold means nothing to it (blubber, anyone? is this a perfect example of projection?). I see a seal trying to escape the humans it fears, and being instrumentalized with hardly any empathy.
grandifolia 3 years ago
The quote is interesting. The animal rights movement should also read it in the light of its own actions (some of which are good and necessary, IMHO). Then again, one can always find a convenient quote said by someone before dying (which makes it so much more true, it seems).
grandifolia 3 years ago
The world should start the US boycott. Enough of the US imperial aggression. Stand up and shout we have had enough of the lies, deceit and slaughter of millions. Maybe when faced with a collapsed economy the USaian people will stop this horrible foreign policy.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
The only thing I see here is a seal's life being saved. Is there a problem? Trying to create smoke where there is no fire.....again?
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Why doesn't the Humane society of the US try and bring an end to the annual Iraqi slaughter? I guess tens of thousands of Iraqis are of little concern.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Blah, blah, blah Qwerty. That's like telling the cop that just pulled you over, "Don't you have better things to be doing with your time?" Doesn't make what you're doing any less wrong.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
blah blah blah get some new analogies. The world DOES NOT need the Athabasca oil sands!! That project is far more detrimental to the world than sealing. Typical USaian response, save the seals but fuck the planet. I find if funny, you think you are so smart yet you constantly come up with dumb ideas. You really need to get a clue. PS I also find it funny you critisize peoples spelling all the time, yet you make numerous mistakes yourself.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Attacking the repetition of my arguments doesn't make them go away or any less valid. I know, If you can't clear a hurdle then by all means, attack the hurdle. I attack people's inability to express themselves without the us of fowl language. If someone uses fowl language against me, then I'll use it against them seeing as it's the only language they understand. BTW: I use Firefox spell check on all my posts. It's automatic. If something is misspelled, it's probably a miskey.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
So you use firefox spell check because you can't spell. Yet then you hack on people for getting something spelled wrong. Hmm interesting. I also notice you comment on their spelling when they have good arguements. hmmm interesting.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Ahhhhh. But you see, I'm smart enough to use a spell-checker. Speaks volumes.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
No it means you can't spell, yet you critisize others who make the same mistakes. Some might call that shallow and pathetic. Same as anti-sealers(including you) calling the sealers inbred, stupid, etc without even knowing them. They're more than likely from kansas themselves or some other place that probably grows corn.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Qwerty. Again trying to create smoke where there is no fire. IF you had finished a bachelor's degree and handed in uncountable numbers of term papers, you would know that not spell-checking your work is simply ignorance in action. I always use spell-check regardless of if I am confident of my spelling or not. Now, go look up the word soporific, because that's what your line of questioning has made me.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Oh once again assuming playboy? You just "ASSUME" I didn't go to university? Oh is that mud on your face. Once again talking garbage. If you had actually gone to university then you would know the term "proof reading" which is MORE important than spell check. Oh playboy you sillyboy.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Well I'm so glad you're putting your purported education to good use on the icefloes of St. Laurence Bay.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
I have never been to the ice floes, sorry to burst your bubble. I will always support the sealers right to hunt though. And I will always protest the Athabasca tar sands project. Do you know why it is going ahead???? Yes that's right, because the USAians want safe dirty oil for their country.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
I'm tired of hearing that old argument of "The USA has only 1/100th of the global population but uses 1/4th of the world power." That's right we do use 1/4 of the world power. You wanna know why? Because we have the worlds largest GDP! Translated that means we still make almost everything the world buys! Our power usage is the product of the world subcontracting out it's goods demands to us because they're to inept to make it themselves. Now go look up the word "inept".
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Correction: we use 1/4th of the worlds "resources".
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
As you can see your goods are no longer being bought up like before. Before my own eyes I am watching the demise of the US empire. It's exciting to watch history in the making.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
I could not agree with you more.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
If you and I were to sit down and rail against the US, we'd probably have a lot of good times. I'm filled with contempt for the arrogance and outright belligerence with which the USA goes about destroying other countries either through war or through economic manipulation. Further, the USA's war upon it's own and the sale of tomorrow for the grandeur of today is "bleeding" the country of it's very own vitality. I have no allegiance to this cesspool. Yeah I said "cesspool".
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Ok if you agree with what's going on in your country, why don't you try and fix it before you try and fix other countries "problems"
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Copy/paste "At least I'm not sitting behind a computer defending my countries stupid mistakes. Get it."
Alright You're not stupid, it just made the sentence work better. Okay. Soporific mean "tired". I'm going to bed. Long day tomorrow.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
You're working the icefloes just by being here, you big dummy. Don't you get it. It's an analogy.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
You're right, I'm assuming you didn't go to college. Anyone who did would understand the seal hunt is a simple tool to placate a ruined industry and its workers. Yet you argue the most archaic, easily defused and childish arguments like those of a 3rd grader. Now go look up the word "placate".
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Haha I always have a good laugh at you. YOu honestly think you are so smart yet you aren't. I would assume people teased you often when you were younger and now you try your best to assert your self. Did they tease you because your grandfather was a Nazi and a savage? Is that why you are trying to save seals? Are you trying to atone for your grandfather helping slaughter millions of innocent people.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
No, if I were trying to atone for my grandfathers involvement in the war, I would be trying to save people, now wouldn't I? However, I will always wrestle where the line between love and contempt for my grandfather should lye. I will probably only know the full truth after he dies. Still, I will always be proud of the bravery my grandfather showed on the battle field and the countless murder attempts by Hitler's proxy command he survived. Now go look up the word "proxy".
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
haha you keep assuming you are smarter than me. Sad thing is you are only making your self look ignorant..you can look that big word up later if you like. I wonder if they properly investigated your grandfather? Not only a Nazi but an SS, I sure would hate to have that hanging over my head if I were you. Being a spawn of the most hated group of the 20th century. Poor you. I now understand your arrogance, you germans seem to act that way.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Yes he was properly investigated. He spent 6 months in jail after the war. What nationality are you Qwery? French? Any idea what your people did to the American Inuit? They didn't try to decimate the Inuit..They did. Now, if you want to talk about evil, then we all belong in that boat, but being stupid enough to walk right into that one, I'm certain you don't know a thing about history either. Do yo know why the Turks aren't being allowed into the EU. Guilty of ethnic cleansing. Last century.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Don't insult me by calling me French *vomits* Actually I am quite well read when it comes to history and I know all about the Armenian genocide. I also know about the fucken catholic and protestant church with their rediculous schools in canada, which many native children died from disease and abuse. Yet another reason I hate religion.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Yeah. Religion and Nationalism are the root of most evil... that and money. It seems like we see eye to eye on many things. Just not sealing.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Ok, this discussion has been mildly entertaining to follow, as much for the common ground as for the ground-level argumentation, but qwerty you are slipping towards racist/nationalist slurs re: Germans, USAnians or the French. Incidentally, I'm francophone and that doesn't seem to trigger my gag reflex. Stay proper or be blocked. Also, such comments only remove credibility to one's arguments and point of view. Same goes for condescendence, XB70.
grandifolia 3 years ago
I don't like to say Americans when I refer to the US. That country has destroyed the good name of "America" which last time I looked was North America and South America, not the US. Therefore I now refer to it as USAians.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Yes, I was using it the same way in my own comment. "États-Uniens", some of us say in that language you seem to have trouble digesting.
grandifolia 3 years ago
Do you have another argument about the seal hunt I can copy/paste yet another one of my "following Qwery" cookie-cutter responses to, or are you actually going to sit here and debate whether using a spell-checker is a sign of stupidity or common sense?
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
See, here's me without the spell-checker.
"U now, schpelling vor a Cherman Amerikan is hard-on enuf. I nedd ass-isdance zo I luk smarp."
Now, how can you argue with that. I have to keep it fair....right Qwerty?
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
What's more, if you're noticing a repetition to my rebuttals, it's probably because I'm following you around as you make all the same baseless and easily dismissible arguments over and over again. No wonder you don't like my repetition. Here. I'll just start a Word file named "Following Qwerty" and from now on all I have to do is copy/paste my responses to your baseless rhetoric.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Oh like your baseless rhetoric? wait wait here's a good one from playboy..."hey sealers how about you go get a job at the environmentally friendly athabasca oil sands. I am not smart enough to investigate the oil sands but I still think you should work there". Yeah great idea playboy.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
Yeah. Thanks for accurately quoting me there Qert'. Not! Did yo know that even as the globe moves to Hydrogen fuels we will still be burning other carbon based fuels to make the Hydrogen? It's kind like an electric car. All we've done is move the pollution from the exhaust back to the power plant. The use of any fuel releases carbon in one way or another. We're screwed. Do I condone the Tar-sands. No. But at least it doesn't give your country the black eye baby-sealing does. It's a solution.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
Are you kidding me. The tar sands are FAR worse than sealing. They almost single handedly bring Canada to the top of the list of world polluters. They tar sands should remain how they are, buried. Stop trying to back peddle. YOu know dawn well you condone the tar sands as it might take one sealer away from NewFoundland.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
The mining of the Tar-sands is going to happen either with, or without you. It is inevitable. Now you can either martyr yourselves by going down with a sinking ship, or stop using the bad argument of, "you're keeping us from making money". We have presented you with a life raft and we'll be damned if you balk your very own rescue simply because you don't know the raft we have given you. Understand?!
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
If the hunt is "humane", why was that seal left to suffer? She wasn't the only one. Nice edit job on the video, Jomphe - you left out the bit where they're trying to make arrangements to take the pup to the vet college in PEI to save her life, nor do you show the sealers come back after nearly an hour and stab a spike through her head (note: a spike is an illegal weapon. Where was DFO while this was going on?) Why didn't you show any of that? Because it didn't fit your "plot", I guess.
greysealhugger 3 years ago
The seal was "left to suffer" because the hakapik, due to it being visually unpalatable, has been replaced by the rifle, despite the former being the better instrument for the (yes, gruesome) job. I challenge you to hit a target from a boat's bobbing and rolling deck. Also, Jomphe does say in the narration that a sealer eventually came by to put the seal out of its misery.
grandifolia 3 years ago
My full Canadian Boycott is on, and I'm sending my letter, hand-written, to the Priminister.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
The world should start the US boycott. Enough of the US imperial aggression. Stand up and shout we have had enough of the lies, deceit and slaughter of millions. Maybe when faced with a collapsed economy the USaian people will stop this horrible foreign policy.
qwerty3008 3 years ago
ok.
Attention world and to the Good canadians...
You can help put down the seal hunt.
Canadians: work to vote out all officials that unjustifiably support its losses and embarrass Canada.
All: Boycott tar sands. Boycott Canadian Tourism.
-don't vacation there. dont stay or pay money to hotels there. dont dine, shop, or travel there. Go to nicer places instead.
Companies: Don't invest. Especially in Newfoundland. Pull your companies & jobs & contracts out, until the hunt is put down.
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QueglonPluse1z1 3 years ago 6
Good.
Now I hope you are as diligent with all countries that commit gross human rights violations or have industries with dubious environmental or social records, in addition to those where cute animals are hunted (with or without camera scrutiny). You should end up with a substantial stash of money in your unspent account.
grandifolia 3 years ago
BOYCOTT Canadian SEAFOOD!
Don't buy canadian snow crab, mussels, scallops & canadian lobster.
Also boycott Canadian Pacific Salmon!
Canadians there are also to blame they had the chance to put a stop to it and the capability to oust government officials out of office, but allowed it to continue. So be it. They had the chance.
put Boycott Canadian Seafood into google & get tons of info, tell all your friends, write to companies to join in & pass it on. It's now the world uniting against it.
QueglonPluse1z1 3 years ago 6
Could you please boycott our tar sands oil, too? It would actually be more helpful and work towards a truly important cause. But of course, habitat loss is not as spectacular as nerves firing in a dead seal or "one brutal swift swing" (which, incidentally, makes it a painful death, so let's all go bonkers over dead seals.
I hope you don't kill bugs on the freeway. And don't tell me they are less significant or marvelous than seals.
grandifolia 3 years ago
No. The world needs energy. The world does not need baby Harp Seal fur.
XB70Playboy 3 years ago
The seafood boycott also failed because people were able to see that most Canadian seafood was physically isolated from the seal hunt. The Pacific fishery's on the other side of the continent and the Atlantic fishery is far from limited to the areas where the sealing activity happens. The sealers are only responsible for a minute amount of it.
canucktunes 3 years ago
Typical pro sealer, Block people when there opinion doesnt agree with there own. 40mins filmed then another 40mins before a sealer finally killed the poor seal. yer id say that was REALLY humane.Thats exactly what happens in slaughter houses."yer rite" They dont try and shoot cattle from a moving object.Then take up to(what did you say)an hour 20 to finally kill it??
Stopthegreed 3 years ago
LOL ! I was CENSORED by your precious Sea Shepherd for posting REAL figures. I blocked you from sending me mail via this system because you're just some foreigner that want to bash sealers.
You cannot harass me into thinking your way so there's no point in you pestering me without your blatant ignorance.
canucktunes 3 years ago
The whole idea of you tube is for people to have their say. Im hardly Harassing you. Im also not trying to make you think my way either.Just like people who believe its ok to skin animals alive in china for their fur arnt ever gona change i truly believe you never will either.
Stopthegreed 3 years ago
You aren't having your say or voicing your opinion. You are simply repeating the bigoted opinions of a few elitists and self appointed vigilantes who use conjecture and exagerations to get their way.
The so called evidence of live skinning failed scrutiny at the European Union. The EFSA report says it all : EFSA-Q-2007-118
canucktunes 3 years ago
yes ! i also got blocked from some anti sealing videos just for raising some viable comments ? its all about what they want to hear rather than to hear some truth !
223gunner 3 years ago
They block but apparently they wont stop harassing people.
I just got another half witted comment from one of the anti-sealing trolls, who insists on trying to validate the white coat pictures found in their solicitations, with the same dumb arguments - That i've addressed quite a few times now.
I had blocked him months back so he just harasses me via the comments on other people's videos. Pathetic.
canucktunes 3 years ago
And as for Paul Watson calling sealers "APES". That is kinda rude. If i was an ape id be so pissed off to be compare to a sealer. Id compare a sealer to that stuff you find at a park.... dog shit.Smelly kinda useless and pisses people off when they see it.
Stopthegreed 3 years ago
This video isn't about Sea Shepard, Paul Watson, the L'Acadien II incident or Paul's comments. This comment therefore falls under the community guideline definitions as "spam".
canucktunes 3 years ago
This video raises a lot of questions on the ethics of the anti-sealers.
Justaddbacon 3 years ago
interesting that you have managed to take over the comments section on a video showing you staging animal suffering.....must be a lot of work to hide reality so efectively...while your love of animals is genuine nicolatwo ,know your being used to parrot their propaganda for their financial gain.
ExposeScams 3 years ago
For all people: Please watch my 4 part Seal Fact Report.
nicolatwo 3 years ago 11
Wow a 4 part series of lies...who would of expected that
ExposeScams 3 years ago
According to DFO website, that's not really the truth. Sealhunt benefit more than that.
lematou 3 years ago
The hunt only retrieves 12 million dollars, which is reduced to only 6 million after expenses are deducted, and even just counting ice-breaking services which cost the taxpayers 24 million dollars, this makes the seal hunt an 18 million dollar loss right there, and the hunt is economically unviable. It panders to a handful of violent extremist lobbyists and destroys the honor of the entire nation of canada.
nicolatwo 3 years ago 12
ice breaking is carried out anyway its the gulf of st lawrence ,the main shipping lane for Canada...theres more traffic including ferry services, tankers freighters,and fisherys other than the seals..shrimp fishing takes place as soon as sealing is over in the month of april for example .the lobster fleet also requires the bays be opened......God you people love to lie. even worse +7 on the comments you people have spewed this garbage so much people belive it
ExposeScams 3 years ago
saying that it cost taxpayers 18 million is equvilant to saying whatever it cost to repair and maintain the highway in spring is what it costs taxpayers to truck seals the hunt seldom even lasts a week...and then its the rescues that cost extra the bays are cleared of ice for other trafic anyway...you people have propaganda down to a science.....why didnt you finish with send your checks and moneyorders too: your name here
ExposeScams 3 years ago
I am searching for facts on the seal hunt, coming from the point of view that is is cruel. Most of the videos I have seen so far have clearly shown that at least the hakapik method is cruel, in my opinion. But with that said, this group that tortured that baby seal for 80+ minutes should have the full weight of whatever laws thrown on them.
It just goes to show you, no matter what position you pick on something, there will always be bad people.
greenlizard72 3 years ago
For greenlizard: Believe the caring people. Not the cruel ones.
nicolatwo 3 years ago 7
wow is that footage of the animal rights groups staging things...suprise, suprise ,suprise,....well actualy no Newfoundlanders have know this for years...if they don't stage it themselvs they chase and harass fishermen into making a mistake in their haste....truth be told they ifaw and sea shepherd love the seal hunt...an unendangered species that provides a windfall of money each spring...the brain washed deckhands on the sea shepherd however i both pity and fear..watch sea shepherd crew cheers
waswitdat69 3 years ago
@grandifolia: I'll try my best to not anger anyone here but sometime it's hard to keep a cold head when some peoples aren't giving some respect to others before. Thanks
lematou 3 years ago
sealhuntifawcanada also blocked for asking fellow forum user to shut up. (That's my prerogative, and it doesn't even go that far. Mine is simply an invitation to take your style of comments elsewhere).
Nice exit, really...
grandifolia 3 years ago
time for you to block sealhuntifaw ..it wasnt even one person but a group manning the name 24/7...spreading lies and hate...nicolatwo is their return
ExposeScams 3 years ago
For ExposeScams: You are promoting scams, not exposing scams. The seal hunter supporters, which you are part of, have managed to get sealhuntifawcanada suspended. Shameful of the seal hunter supporters. The activists are fighting hard to protect the seals and to inform the public. They are the ones who need to stay. The haters and animal abusers are the ones who all need to get suspended!
nicolatwo 3 years ago 12
people - is it that difficult to keep argumentation at an adult level? nicolatwo suspended, name-calling. Leaving his message here, you judge for yourselves.
Also leaving his invite for his 4-part video, as he's allowed his own forum. Please use critical thinking generously when viewing.
grandifolia 3 years ago
@sealhuntifawcanada: I'll clear my state here. I'm not against or for the sealhunt. I have clearly state that I hate Paul Watson and their friends like PETA or HSUS. And I don't support any commercial hunt that kill animal over what we really need to. As long the hunted species is not in danger, I'm fine with it and it's not the case of the seal in the Gulf.
lematou 3 years ago
And why today the pelts are not sold so much today? Thanks for animal right activists, for having done propanganda in the lasts 30 years. When the seal hunt will be over in Canada, they will attack on another commercial hunt. They just want total animals liberation and turn everyone to be vegan. And wearing fur is not as bad to wear synthetic cloths. Blood is as much on petrol base product than the animal hunt itself.
lematou 3 years ago
Sealhuntifawcanada said;
"for useless hunts which shame the nation, cause economic loss & take people's lives?"
Useless hunt, you really think of it. States your sources here. I'm curious. Economic loss, yeah right. If it wasn't giving a profit, it's a long time the hunt would have been over. You really don't know what is about to earn his life as a fisherman. I must say that you are knowing nothing at all of the reality, except the info gives by HSUS and SSCS.
lematou 3 years ago
Sealhuntifawcanada, you are really out of reality. Your comment make no sense at all. DFO and Loyola Hearn are very far to be named killer in this case. DFO was rescuing the sealers. What you are saying is like if someone is drowning and the lifeguard wasn't able to save this person. Would you say that the lifeguard is a killer? He have go swimming and it's is problem, not mine?
Seriously dude, you are not helping this cause at all. Keep going to convince me that I'm right in my beliefs.
lematou 3 years ago
It's funny to heard from a guy, who think animal live are as much valuable than human life. No condoleance showed or anything, he just talk about seal on his commentary. He said that it was good for the seal. Yeah right, hypocrites.
lematou 3 years ago
Be careful with name-calling. This one could sound like you are talking about forum users, not just Paul Watson. First and final unusual warning.
grandifolia 3 years ago
Their is no debate possible with anti-seal or any animal rights activists. They know everything and have always the last words. They will never recognize the reality at some point. I have always give respect to their cause, but since March 2008, I begin to hate them because of Paul Watson. Why? What this guy have said about the four sealers who have died last winter in Canadian east coast. He have said that their lives was not more tragical than seals live.
lematou 3 years ago
sealhuntifawcanada blocked for name-calling and personnal insults, offending posts (2) removed. Too bad, as s/he could otherwise provide arguments and figures, albeit without references. My posting policy is explicit.
Also, watch out for excessive use of ALLCAPS. This is a discussion forum, folks, not a Nigerian advance fee fraud page.
grandifolia 3 years ago
Justaddbacon just owned sealhuntifawcanada... funny how he doesn't reply now that he's just been told off. Surely this person wants to have a debate! Debating as in marking everyone other then him and anti-sealers as spam.
FVII 3 years ago
Yes, I've jsut been unspamming all the posts here. Says a lot about the frame of mind of such activists.
grandifolia 3 years ago
Your comment has absolutely no point in regards of mine. I do a translation, then you talk about the DFO passing laws making it illegal for people to interfere with the seal hunt. You seem to be all over the place with your comments, I suggest reading them before posting them... it may help a little.
And in regards to your comment, of course it's illegal. It's not like people go behind the counter at McDonalds and blow horns at the grill staff and protest while they try to do work...
Justaddbacon 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I can't stand it when some animalist become anti-humanism and make comment like that.
My motto on the matter: "Stop Propanganda. States your sources". Some animals right organisms should think about it cause I don't find reliable sources in their propanganda video.
lematou 3 years ago
Translation: "But when she was delivering her message to the camera, the seal attempted to escape in the water, no doubt terrified by the humans who profit from their agony. Instead of letting it go in a sign of compassion, or at least let it die in peace, they brought the seal back from out of the water instead of leaving it alone. They then began to film it suffering for 40 more minutes, until a sealer came and put it out of it's misery."
Justaddbacon 3 years ago
This is a about seal massacre, not fishing, which I consider an honorable profession. But clubbing seal pups is a horrible, cruel, bloody profession. If sealers, not fishermen, continue in that "occupation", they'd better be ready to face the world's condemnation and face activists' monitoring for the rest of their lives. If unemployment remains high in those areas, well they should do like their ancestors did a long time ago: immigrate to a wealthier lands/provinces/country.
euskadino 3 years ago 12
euskadino: Do you know the history of peoples of Magdalen Islands? They are the descendants of these Cajuns who got deported by the English in 1755. They had nowhere to go and they have find these islands. They have learn to live there since this date. So I really find your last words very poor.
lematou 3 years ago
I am fully aware of the unjust deportation of the Acadians from Nova Scotia & the current British refusal to apologize, even though they're conscious of what represented a human tragedy of great proportion.Le Grand Dérangement-the Great Expulsion- caused Acadians to disperse among the American Colonies (esp. Louisiana where the name "Cajun" came from), France and Îles de la Madeleine. Henry Longfellow's Poem "Evangeline" is about an Acadian girl separated from her lover due to the deportation.
euskadino 3 years ago 9
heh heh! gotta chuckle at that one!
grandifolia 3 years ago
I know SSCS does pursue wrightful causes, and I for one never said they only went for the cute factor. I said they irritate me when they do, and lose credibility as far as I am concerned. I've seen fellow environmentalists that were a little quick on the trigger pointing at clearcuts when in fact it was a blowdown salvage cutting. Sometimes we need to go beyond the pixels to seek proper understanding.
Please, no *allcaps*, it's against netiquette. Except for acronyms, obviously...
grandifolia 3 years ago
I hope as well but am not keeping my fingers crossed. And I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Farley Mowat pursue its actions when truly endangered species are involed (such as most whales, or red tuna fisheries in the Mediterranean). It's their shameless and lazy use of the spectacular hunt of an animal whose population is booming that really disgusts me.
grandifolia 3 years ago
Yes, and we can say that of other departments as well, and the Prime Minister's Office is increasingly interfering where it has no business. Very apparent under the current government, but had started before. Health Canada is another untrustworthy structure, AFAIAC.
grandifolia 3 years ago
Hm, I wouldn't link animal rights activists and far left necessarily. Not to do a reductio ad hitlerum here, but A. Hitler was reportedly a strong animal rights proponent. Sometimes animal welfare can verge onto anti-humanism (as illustrated by Watson's statement after the loss of 4 human lives this spring), which both extremes of the left-right spectrum have excelled in.
grandifolia 3 years ago
m4m,
I suspect the opinion on this issue varies greatly form one province to the next. I live in eastern Quebec, several hundred miles away from the hunt but close enough to b feel that the general sentiment *here* is not anti-hunt. But Canada is a big country... Unfortunately the Newfoundland gov. has/will legislate to ban the hakapik and only allow the shotgun. The use of the hakapik is spectacular and easy to spin into an anti-hunt campaign (next comment)
grandifolia 3 years ago
(see previous) whereas the use of a shotgun is much more tricky: while the hakapik ensures an immediate death, try shooting accurately and lethally from a bobbing vessel. Individual seals will suffer from this. I digress, though. I guess my point is that the gov. will likely do stuff to quiet down the cow-milking activists while issues requiring immediate attention (war, famine, pollution, ...) lose airtime to this distraction (IMHO).
grandifolia 3 years ago
User 'josgrab' blocked for name-calling. The weakest form of argument, hence has no use here. Both comments removed, too.
grandifolia 3 years ago
save the seals
hstormchaser 3 years ago 11
The slaughter is "humane". I guess you'd like to believe that, wouldn't you? The HSUS is trying to stop the useless, stupid slaughter and it should do whatever it takes to wake people up to the fact that it still goes on... some people still think it stopped in the '80's. I support whatever they do to stop it.
journeyman47 3 years ago 10
Thanks
grandifolia 3 years ago
All I can say this..
"OH SNAP THEY'VE BEEN CAUGHT!"
And with that, I bid you farewell.
Sedalb 3 years ago
Raoul est l'expert en compassion. Qu'a -t- il fait lui pendant que le