Looks like shes cooking pretty good. I am on a volunteer FD and we frequently see structure fires and we always have one man who grabs a PPVF as someone else is grabbing a crosslay
Being a volunteer fire fighter and I responded to something similar to this but the house came down on us. To this poor family, i am so sorry this happened. To all others who Los there homes do to fires well... God bless you. All firemen I solute to u and may god be with us all. As I always say... I am a hero to all children, I will teach them well and hope one day they will never give up.
You got fire showing on side b and d who knows whats going on on the c side. I wouldnt have backdrafted it and kicked in the front door and run in either...however i woulda blitzed it from the b side with a 2 1/2 calm her down a bit then gon in the front with a 1 3/4...i know im arm chair qb'n a bit but where is the room for the truck and why in the world is the first in engine's boss woried about a damn fan. Not the worst I've seen but sure as shit not the worse.
I love some of the second hand command comments on this one. There are several things you would have noticed if you actually watched the entire video and not just hijacked other comments. This house was NOT at all an offensive operation. The exposures WERE the priority. For those who think that "the morons fed the fire with the fan" the PPV didn't go operational until 7:04 mins into the video after the knockdown was established. Keep thinking you're Superman, and Ill keep reading the LODDs.
@lethoran i Completely agree with you, plus studies show that using a ppv makes a 60% or more in positive visibility. And everyone needs to remember that every single station is not the same, some cities have different SOP's because their district is different.
I wouldn't too hard on these guys...all geared and SCBA's...good..choice of 1 3/4 handline.. 2 did knock the thing down..quicker with larger BTU EATER (aka 2 1/2). Volume of fire would suggest combustible interior wall finish...lucky they were not much later. Strange PPV fan would even be considered with 1st line...I would argue when was finally used...Mother Nature's PPV was doing a great job... Put the fire out with no exposure spread or obvious injuries.Great !
Can't see inside the windows, smoke puffing from every crack of the building, exposures on the Bravo and Delta side of the building. I would have done the same thing they did this is not a building to be interior attacking in my opinion. The reason the fire doubled after the engine got there is when they vented via taking out the front windows, this fire was ready to flash over and thats just what it did when it got the oxygen it needed.
so many many different factors such as response times, water supply. we were taught agressive interior attack and push the fire out... FYI u cant see the back of the house therefore u dont know whats goin on and i know i saw the engine boss do a size up
@lewisbran listen you do both exterior and interior suppression they just took their time vent through the roof not the door and then get 2 hoses on the fire to get it under control dont just wait and ive read so many books and i am a firefighter and so is my dad and my grandad.
@eurofighter444 UR AN IDIOT..go in the front door..put out the damn fire...we wear gear for INTERIOR suppression not EXTERIOR...read a book euro man..thats the major diffrence form volunteer and paid bud
Pathetic. Fire doubled in size AFTER the engine arrived on scene. What happened to going in and putting it out? These guys take their sweet time and wait for it to vent so they can go defensive and not interior.
you guys need a lesson on stretching hose, a very slow attack, one question what is the purpose for the guy to pull out a positve presure fan on first due ?
Could have been an easy knock dwn..first in pumper pull past the house to leave room for your truck..this house wasn't gonna flash BUT needed quick ventilation..fire attack thru the front door as your truck crew cuts a hole..If ur chauffeur is good he can have the fan ready after he gets u water..second in pumper lays in to the first and pulls a back up line inside...I didnt see a big deal on exposures until that pipeman started flowing water from the B side..where is the aggression? Not knocki
Papablue59....... Not stomping on your knowledge or anything but I'm sure others agree that you attack a structure fire from the unburned side of the structure to prevent from spreading and like what was said earlier the fire went from what appeared to be not even half of the structure to fully involved...... I definitely think other avenues of attack should have been taken
Quick knock with a 2 1/2.....Big Fire=Big Water. Now you got big exposure problems with exposure D and your wind direction. They let this house burn. Poor tactical strategy. I know it's easy to be an armchair qurterback on monday, but this should have gone differently.
this house was done before they even got water flow on it, you see the smoke(fuel) light off so you had a good amount coming from a,b,c,and d side.way i see it only chance would've been faster with water and burst to cool off the thermal layer. but before ya flame me. 21 yrs of paid experience, and its just what i can see from video that i reply to because i don't know what their polices are or their lv of training
ya buddy well here in florida we call that a loss! 25 years well exuse me! ive been doing it 10 so i think ive seen some shit too, we get in get out that fire went from nothing to fully involved because of poor tactics....go back to your volunteer "truck"
@mes998 10 years. Well, oldtimer, just wanted to get one thing straight. I get a paycheck for this kinda thing, so I won't go get on my "volunteer truck.
@mes998 No, actually, we had a snot-slinger right at shift change on the 31st, (last fire of 2011) and I went through three bottles without a malfunction. Granted, at the age of 52, I go through them faster than I used to, but I don't find reasons not to go in. I still like to mix it up. Happy New year...and I hope it is a safe one for you and your crew.
@mes998 If you would do a little reading, you would know that water does not push fire through a structure. Proven by UL and other fire departments. The wind was pushing that fire.
Let's see, they contained the fire, kept it in the structure of origin, protected exposures, and all went home in the morning. Sounds like a winner to me. But...I only have 25 years on the trucks, so I am still learning. Try it sometimes.
Ummmmmmmm.......id have to agree with atblanchard. PPV is def not the first thing to come to mind, especially not with an interior hose team in place, ....First in truck should have pulled past pulled lines to protect both exposures and one line to the front door, had they got water on the fire through the front door quick enough they could have knocked it down before it spread to the rest of the house instead of fighting fire from thr burning side which aided in the fire spreading..come on guys
Upon rolling up to a fully envolved single story with multiple exposures... I have to say my first thought wouldn't be to set up for PPV in the front. It upon arrival was obviously going to be a defensive attack to start with, so why the fan right off the truck first?
the first arriving unit stopped well short of the structure. had they gone just past the house, they could have gotten at least three sided view of how much fire they had. plus, they had another unit behind them to supply or bring in more hose for attack. first attack was too long to get there.
My god is long very long ! je préfère les pompiers en Europe plus rapides... dieu que c'est long....des engins énormes et finalement peu d'efficacité. pendant l'intervention Dommage pour eux
I have read multiple comments on this one. First of all the fire had natural ventilation, which is why the fire was burning on opposite sides of the house. Second option could have been a larger line down initially, 400 gallons a minute did more than the initial 200 gpm. Third was that the PPV fan did not start until the bulk of the fire was knocked down, you see someone start it at 7 minutes into the video, not before hand. Good call on the power lines and safety officer.
@vfdunit1 yeah i agree, i mean i can go with hitting that exposure 1st .but they should have redirected sum h2o sooner.... keeping in mind i was not there. they did get h2o flowing in a min. and 10sec. that was pretty good.
@vfdunit1 Haha are you fucking kidding me? They had to do an exterior attack first, fire fighters look pretty stupid when they run out of a house one fire seconds after entering. You're not invincible in your PPE.
@kawasakikx250ff Ok but the point of the matter is if you Positive Pressure vent which means blowing air into the building and another word for air is oxygen. You are feeding the fire oxygen which is going to make it grow. The video is a great example of this.
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reptilemaster100 5 days ago
@CandCproductions123 Oh lord!
crnvic847 6 days ago
Looks like shes cooking pretty good. I am on a volunteer FD and we frequently see structure fires and we always have one man who grabs a PPVF as someone else is grabbing a crosslay
TheTxprmdc 1 week ago
Being a volunteer fire fighter and I responded to something similar to this but the house came down on us. To this poor family, i am so sorry this happened. To all others who Los there homes do to fires well... God bless you. All firemen I solute to u and may god be with us all. As I always say... I am a hero to all children, I will teach them well and hope one day they will never give up.
CENATION3306 1 week ago
Should of left the fan on the engine and grabbed a 2 1/2 instead. Just sayin.
ermachief 2 weeks ago 3
honey! our house is on fire! Quick! get the camera so we can film it and put it on youtube!! >:/
CandCproductions123 3 weeks ago
You got fire showing on side b and d who knows whats going on on the c side. I wouldnt have backdrafted it and kicked in the front door and run in either...however i woulda blitzed it from the b side with a 2 1/2 calm her down a bit then gon in the front with a 1 3/4...i know im arm chair qb'n a bit but where is the room for the truck and why in the world is the first in engine's boss woried about a damn fan. Not the worst I've seen but sure as shit not the worse.
fire6124 4 weeks ago
I hope no one was home when the house burned, but if they were, hope they got out safely.
pitt64jobar 2 months ago
I love some of the second hand command comments on this one. There are several things you would have noticed if you actually watched the entire video and not just hijacked other comments. This house was NOT at all an offensive operation. The exposures WERE the priority. For those who think that "the morons fed the fire with the fan" the PPV didn't go operational until 7:04 mins into the video after the knockdown was established. Keep thinking you're Superman, and Ill keep reading the LODDs.
lethoran 2 months ago
@lethoran i Completely agree with you, plus studies show that using a ppv makes a 60% or more in positive visibility. And everyone needs to remember that every single station is not the same, some cities have different SOP's because their district is different.
utbpitcher09 2 weeks ago
I wouldn't too hard on these guys...all geared and SCBA's...good..choice of 1 3/4 handline.. 2 did knock the thing down..quicker with larger BTU EATER (aka 2 1/2). Volume of fire would suggest combustible interior wall finish...lucky they were not much later. Strange PPV fan would even be considered with 1st line...I would argue when was finally used...Mother Nature's PPV was doing a great job... Put the fire out with no exposure spread or obvious injuries.Great !
rivefire 2 months ago
Can't see inside the windows, smoke puffing from every crack of the building, exposures on the Bravo and Delta side of the building. I would have done the same thing they did this is not a building to be interior attacking in my opinion. The reason the fire doubled after the engine got there is when they vented via taking out the front windows, this fire was ready to flash over and thats just what it did when it got the oxygen it needed.
xx6pure6evil6xx 2 months ago
This is a "paid" company, So I do not know what you are trying to getting at with the whole paid vs. volunteer BULLSHIT!!!!
NJfirerescue70 2 months ago 4
so many many different factors such as response times, water supply. we were taught agressive interior attack and push the fire out... FYI u cant see the back of the house therefore u dont know whats goin on and i know i saw the engine boss do a size up
1075atTheBox 2 months ago
@lewisbran listen you do both exterior and interior suppression they just took their time vent through the roof not the door and then get 2 hoses on the fire to get it under control dont just wait and ive read so many books and i am a firefighter and so is my dad and my grandad.
eurofighter444 2 months ago
one hose is not enough you need at least 2 on the flames quickly as you can then start to control it not let it get out of control
eurofighter444 2 months ago
they should of brought in a ladder as you should attacked the fire from the top and from the sdie
eurofighter444 2 months ago
@eurofighter444 UR AN IDIOT..go in the front door..put out the damn fire...we wear gear for INTERIOR suppression not EXTERIOR...read a book euro man..thats the major diffrence form volunteer and paid bud
lewisbran 2 months ago
Pathetic. Fire doubled in size AFTER the engine arrived on scene. What happened to going in and putting it out? These guys take their sweet time and wait for it to vent so they can go defensive and not interior.
Fire22Guy 2 months ago
They ate treating this like a probie practice burn! Wtf
eemanpeters 2 months ago
you guys need a lesson on stretching hose, a very slow attack, one question what is the purpose for the guy to pull out a positve presure fan on first due ?
bigboy2342221 2 months ago
Could have been an easy knock dwn..first in pumper pull past the house to leave room for your truck..this house wasn't gonna flash BUT needed quick ventilation..fire attack thru the front door as your truck crew cuts a hole..If ur chauffeur is good he can have the fan ready after he gets u water..second in pumper lays in to the first and pulls a back up line inside...I didnt see a big deal on exposures until that pipeman started flowing water from the B side..where is the aggression? Not knocki
lewisbran 2 months ago
Pitiful.....
memphise34a 2 months ago
Papablue59....... Not stomping on your knowledge or anything but I'm sure others agree that you attack a structure fire from the unburned side of the structure to prevent from spreading and like what was said earlier the fire went from what appeared to be not even half of the structure to fully involved...... I definitely think other avenues of attack should have been taken
drewTon024 3 months ago
What ever happened to smooth bores either on 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 thats always been this dinosaurs choice. Always with success. Never waith fans and fog.
websterhose301 3 months ago
F-
engineco3wfd 3 months ago
Ha ha hurry grab that ppv! Not the blitz you idiot!! Wtf! A side quick attack with the 2 1/2 was all it needed!
eemanpeters 3 months ago
Quick knock with a 2 1/2.....Big Fire=Big Water. Now you got big exposure problems with exposure D and your wind direction. They let this house burn. Poor tactical strategy. I know it's easy to be an armchair qurterback on monday, but this should have gone differently.
jtfouts 3 months ago
I only have one thing to say: "Big Fire=Big Water" Forget the 1 3/4, get out the 2 1/2 with a straight tip!
DildoDomeyer 3 months ago
@DildoDomeyer 1 1 3/4 line and an aggressive attack would have snuffed this fire...
engine8feo 2 months ago
@mes998 I also agree with your statement. My department would of made an effort in trying for a quick knock down.
Newarkfireman 3 months ago
this house was done before they even got water flow on it, you see the smoke(fuel) light off so you had a good amount coming from a,b,c,and d side.way i see it only chance would've been faster with water and burst to cool off the thermal layer. but before ya flame me. 21 yrs of paid experience, and its just what i can see from video that i reply to because i don't know what their polices are or their lv of training
kumaritokyoska 3 months ago
@kumaritokyoska i agree all im saying could of atleast tried to hit from front door and quicker water thats it. have a good one
mes998 3 months ago
ya buddy well here in florida we call that a loss! 25 years well exuse me! ive been doing it 10 so i think ive seen some shit too, we get in get out that fire went from nothing to fully involved because of poor tactics....go back to your volunteer "truck"
mes998 3 months ago
@mes998 10 years. Well, oldtimer, just wanted to get one thing straight. I get a paycheck for this kinda thing, so I won't go get on my "volunteer truck.
Keep safe out there.
L-3885
PoppaBlue59 2 months ago
@PoppaBlue59 looks like your out numbered here buddy! i know 25 year guys like you. always have a malfunction with there scba when they get on scene
mes998 1 month ago
@mes998 No, actually, we had a snot-slinger right at shift change on the 31st, (last fire of 2011) and I went through three bottles without a malfunction. Granted, at the age of 52, I go through them faster than I used to, but I don't find reasons not to go in. I still like to mix it up. Happy New year...and I hope it is a safe one for you and your crew.
PoppaBlue59 1 month ago
@PoppaBlue59 happy new year to you be safe! L-4420
mes998 1 month ago
This vid is a pathetic example of fire suppression.
mrstevecbournias 3 months ago
line at front door could have that knocked down instead of wasting all that time by pushing it through the rest of the structure
mes998 3 months ago
@mes998 If you would do a little reading, you would know that water does not push fire through a structure. Proven by UL and other fire departments. The wind was pushing that fire.
Let's see, they contained the fire, kept it in the structure of origin, protected exposures, and all went home in the morning. Sounds like a winner to me. But...I only have 25 years on the trucks, so I am still learning. Try it sometimes.
PoppaBlue59 3 months ago
tha art of (firefighting ) is dead and this video proves it
metztruck6 3 months ago
@metztruck6 Not to be trolling too hard but Western New York leaves a lot to be desired on the Art of Firefighting.
SirGuinness 3 months ago
Ummmmmmmm.......id have to agree with atblanchard. PPV is def not the first thing to come to mind, especially not with an interior hose team in place, ....First in truck should have pulled past pulled lines to protect both exposures and one line to the front door, had they got water on the fire through the front door quick enough they could have knocked it down before it spread to the rest of the house instead of fighting fire from thr burning side which aided in the fire spreading..come on guys
drewTon024 3 months ago
@drewTon024correction****** hose team not in place***** line 2
drewTon024 3 months ago
@drewTon024 absolutely correct from a florida firefighter
mes998 3 months ago
was this your house or a neighbors? or did you hear on the scanner and grab a video camera? either way great video
firedude201234 3 months ago
Upon rolling up to a fully envolved single story with multiple exposures... I have to say my first thought wouldn't be to set up for PPV in the front. It upon arrival was obviously going to be a defensive attack to start with, so why the fan right off the truck first?
atblanchard 3 months ago
the first arriving unit stopped well short of the structure. had they gone just past the house, they could have gotten at least three sided view of how much fire they had. plus, they had another unit behind them to supply or bring in more hose for attack. first attack was too long to get there.
joseg78417 3 months ago
My god is long very long ! je préfère les pompiers en Europe plus rapides... dieu que c'est long....des engins énormes et finalement peu d'efficacité. pendant l'intervention Dommage pour eux
williambert25 4 months ago
man that house went quick holly shit
TheThorinbingham 4 months ago
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GrizBearman 4 months ago
postings I replied to were on facebook about how this department did everything wrong including starting the fan to put the fire out
fire94051 4 months ago
I have read multiple comments on this one. First of all the fire had natural ventilation, which is why the fire was burning on opposite sides of the house. Second option could have been a larger line down initially, 400 gallons a minute did more than the initial 200 gpm. Third was that the PPV fan did not start until the bulk of the fire was knocked down, you see someone start it at 7 minutes into the video, not before hand. Good call on the power lines and safety officer.
fire94051 4 months ago
that fire could have been contained though with an interior attack
vfdunit1 4 months ago
@vfdunit1 yeah i agree, i mean i can go with hitting that exposure 1st .but they should have redirected sum h2o sooner.... keeping in mind i was not there. they did get h2o flowing in a min. and 10sec. that was pretty good.
bygdrew 4 months ago
@vfdunit1 Haha are you fucking kidding me? They had to do an exterior attack first, fire fighters look pretty stupid when they run out of a house one fire seconds after entering. You're not invincible in your PPE.
ZackHendo 3 months ago
ok i see one
vfdunit1 4 months ago
no second line in
vfdunit1 4 months ago
Excellent video! Thanks for posting.
sharppointy1 5 months ago
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cairnsturnout99 5 months ago
were the blowers on? cause if they were then that's dumb.
BE3700 5 months ago
Why use positive pressure venting like that, all it does is feed the fire with oxygen and spread it.
Josh1540 5 months ago
@Josh1540 some departments use different ways to vent a house
kawasakikx250ff 4 months ago
@kawasakikx250ff Ok but the point of the matter is if you Positive Pressure vent which means blowing air into the building and another word for air is oxygen. You are feeding the fire oxygen which is going to make it grow. The video is a great example of this.
Josh1540 4 months ago
Nice video.are you a firefighter somewhere?
townff96 5 months ago