After a battle like this, Odo returning to the great link and thereby ending the war seemed like such a cop-out. Besides, he could've done that years earlier and save millions of lives.
This was my favourite episode and is the best finale of any scif-fi series (even with the recycle nosense), I loved it when the Cardassians turned sides and started to take out the Breen and Jem'Hadar. What gets me as the Breen\Jem'Hadar were starting to go to retreat why didn't the fleet just launch as many torpedoes as weapons as possible before the enemy fleet jumped to warp.
one big disapointment i had in the final episode was the heavy use of RECYCLED SPACE CLIPS!!!! i even saw footage from star trek 6 of the klingon getting sucked out (played in reverse), the most obvious clip is the 2 mirandas being destroyed side by side. how could they just use that twice like that?? its the final episode, make some new stuff, its not that hard anymore!!!
@michaelfreudiger battlestar galactica named best action drama show of all time... used clips of same space combat for about four episodes then end season and season 2 3 4 never did it again they might of been low on budget at that point. who knows
@michaelfreudiger DS9 ended in 1999. 12 years ago when CGI in TV shows wasn't easy. Sure, they could do one or two ships, but an entire battle scene? No way.
DS9 switched to CGI for the sixth and seventh seasons I think.
Babylon 5 was the first sci-fi show to use CGI mainly, and it was a much lower budget show than DS9, so yeah, it's not the best at times but some of it is pretty good looking still.
I think those are the only two shows I can think of that had some big space battles in the 1990s, Voyager had some decent battles too.
Mostly at first, for this scene and a lot of the battles in the later scenes entirely CGI though, it's virtually impossible to do a large scale battle on a TV show with models, it takes a lot of time and money, CGI is a bit more cost effective for a lot of things. That's also part of why Babylon 5 used it.
I hated the way they ended the Dominion War. It should have been a fight to the last Jem'Hadar. If the producers really wanted to illustrate the hell of war what better way than having an enemy fight to the last man for a cause that is hopelessly lost. The Founder's last minute change of heart was a huge cop-out imo.
The ship action sequences in deep space nine were stunning if you think about it ,when you watch more recent shows they rarely get the scale of action like in ds9
thats not the last battle. you can tell cause the cardassians allied themselves with the federation klingons and romulans at the end to destroy the dominion and breen forces.
The Federation brought many older ships out of retirement for these battles and battles against the Borg. Every ship was considered necessary for the survival of the Federation no matter how badly they were outgunned.
@deke76 Same reason we use frigits. Thay'er small and lightly armed, but fast and highly manuverable. Good for hit and run manuvers. Also, where as a larger vesal can be an odvious target. A smaller one can slip in unseen in all the confusion of battle.
@deke76 They Look like Miranda Class Starship's but they are Miranda Class III Cruisers i dont know if that counts as Miranda Class because its a refit but they have never excelled in those battles. like you said they are the red shirts of the fleet.
Warp engines are supposed to be mounted away from the craft, like Enterprise, to be able to create the warp bubble to travel in at light speed. According to the manual, they need to be away from the craft, or the craft will explode. Guess they made an exception for the Defiant.
remember when scifi channel used to show sci fi movies. now its just the stargate channel. wich sucks. its all because there is a woman running the channel. shes to worried about showing the pretty boys then good action sequences and special effects. get a male nerd in charge they know good sci fi.
this show rocked. i just lent it to a work buddy and he is halfway through season 2. i told him it really gets going in s3. anyways, the battle scenes were awesome. and thanks to trek and star wars i also enjoyed bsg and sg. they have great battle scenes too. but nothing will ever compare to ds9 battles. thanks for posting
@OopeeShaba watch serenity that is in my opinion one of the best sci fi films because it really has a great story and doesnt stick to standard sci fi like trek of star wars give it a go : )
@Doctor12222 I know that, hence why I brought up that Berman tried upholding Roddenberry's ideas in the first place. VOY was originally conceived by Piller about two groups with very different ideas trying to find a way back home but that aspect got abandoned very early.
So what I always wondered on battles such as this, how come you never see the shield shell react like you do in regular episodes with standoffs? The ships just blow up from one shot....I just can't believe all shields would be down for these battles.
The Jem haddar are cowards. Time after time, they don't fight, they just ram their ships into the enemies. that would of given me an idea had i been on the other side of the battle. I would of formed small ships manned by robots and rammed their bigger ships so that only their shit small ships would be left. I would finish them off with defiant class starships.
@Romulan112 good idea. Another funny thing to think about: If a Defiant size ship collided with earth going warp 9 it would destroy all life on the planet.
@Romulan112 in this instance of ship ramming the jem haddar would be the space version of the kamikazee. i think they echo the saying of former govenor and wwf superstar jesse" the body" ventura when he would proudly state " win if you can , lose if you must, but always cheat".
@jamiirali1 yes, its their verson of kamikazee. But remember the Japanese ONLY did it as a last resort. In DS9 remember, the Jem Hadar are supposed to be more advanced this the Federation, why would they resort to that style of fighting before even fighting? to me they were cowards.
@Romulan112 Wrong. How can anyone after the Bush admin call those who are willing to take themselves out in order to achieve their goal be called a coward? You do not know the meaning of the word.
@vonBeavis what are U talking about? bush adm??? you seem like to me, someone from the middle east trying to tie in my statement with the actions of those in AFghanistan or Iraq, right?
@Romulan112 Dude, you and wrong go together. Not only am I not from the ME, all you had to do was click on my name to see where I work. Point is you called the Jem Hadar cowards for ramming. On 9/11 Bush called the hijackers cowards; a coward doesn't sacrifice himself for a mission, however misguided.
To this day the Japanese honor those who sacrificed themselves as human guidance systems.
Back to Star Trek, you'd say Picard and Worf are cowards for planning to ram Borg cubes.
@vonBeavis Allow me to reclarify ... The Jem Hadar are supposed to be more advanced than the Fed, Romulans, and Klingons. YET, in this battle, they don't even fight. I assume either them or the Vorta just go onto suicide missions. Remember how there was no lookout points on the ship. Either way, its a cowardice to just not fight and use your ship as a torpedo (big onelol ).
As for Picard and Worf, they were going to ram as a last resort, not FIRST resort.
@Stockslivevan True that. Many of Sisko's choices paralleled Kirk's decisions and even Spock's. TNG is something of a middle ground between TOS and VOY. The blatant and persistent application of the Prime Directive is usually pointless and derelict of rationality, and is always annoying. Janeway's utopian moralism is exaggerated to the point of being sickening at times. Often the only voice of true Trek present VOY is heard in Tom Paris, often when he is protesting some decision of Janeway's.
DS9 is definitely a great compliment to TNG's emphasis on peace and diplomacy. Many of the seeds laid down by Picard in TNG grow into strong alliances in DS9 under Sisko. While I like the Star Trek reboot, the supernova destruction of Romulus was an illegal plot device, and the Klingon-Federation war in Star Trek Online was not as much as a remotely realistic writing choice as a marketing tool to create a more combat-oriented video game.
@bjornjoseph yea I think somebody said it: that DS9 was unique in that the characters had to deal with the consequences of whatever change they had effected in a particular episode..becuase they didnt leave and go to another planet.. I loved DS9
this series much less the st series whether ds9, stv,or tng always has faced things that are relevant in our time my step son still has a problem seeing but st in any form lets you see what this galaxy or at least our section of it could be 100,000 light years across and billions of stars any of a multitude like our own sun leaves so many chances for life !!!!!!
Did anyone else feel bad when those two Miranda class starships were destroyed? I dunno, I guess I got attached to 'em (O.o) ; they are my favorite class of Trek ship...
@Rosiilee "aren't people entitled to their opinions? 'Folks who say DS9 betrayed Trek sensibilities are wrong."
Whose to say what is wrong and right?"
It's a fact, not an opinion. Simple. Anyone who says DS9 betrayed TOS because "Trek wasn't about war" are flat out wrong since TOS did deal with war in all aspects. However, Trek isn't just about war but about pretty much anything. I just roll my eyes when a fan claims otherwise. To those people, watch TOS.
I like VOY more than DS9, but I can see its appeal :)
For me, the idea of a long journey, back home, kinda like the Iliad and the Odyssey, is far more appealing than the general story arc of DS9. : /
Hell, I even like VOY more than TNG, though TNG was my fav for many reasons, the reason I find it less of my kind of story, is that you have the support of familiar allies most of the time, and the federation is right next door : /
@nocliper101 Stating that which is subjective, as though it is objective, is a great sign of arrogance. Either that or, it's a great sign of ignorance, being that you may not understand how you sound.
Unless you're a troll, since trolls often use the above mentioned tactic to elicit a response.
If you are arrogant enough to assume that all you opinions are fact, then I can't help you.
Or if you are ignorant of how you sound, then might I advise you use a qualifier? If you are a troll, STFU ;P
@skycaprob it wasn't a Dominion weapon, it was a Breen weapon. And the Breen weren't exactly sharing the technology. Honestly, with how reclusive the Breen are, I'm surprised they even teamed up with the Dominion. With how much they despise failure, I'm surprised they teamed up with the Dominion after the Dominion had been thoroughly trounced.
@luccaskunk Yes, they were sharing it. There's an episode which was central to the federation alliance learning how to neutralize the energy dampening effect in which Kira/Damar/Garak/Odo infiltrate a Jem'hadar fighter that's having one installed in order to steal the ship and the Breen weapon.
Well, at least Starfleet finally manged to get rid of all those old pesky Miranda class vessels while doing something almost productive (getting blown to scrap counts as productive right?)!
I think I read somewhere that adding in shields both make the battle scenes more expensive to produce (easily twice as much) and lengthen them to an unacceptable degree. Plus, lots of boom equals more visceral action and visual excitement.
Lastly, before anybody says "Break the budget? It's only CGI!", well-done cgi and sfx is bitchin difficult and expensive out the ass.
@airemacil your right about the budget, but CGI was not the issue. back then paramount did not use CGI for there ships but scale models . it was bad enough to have to add a shield effect to Evey CGI ship. but to add them in for every individual model? good lord the price. it would have looked sweet, but would have blown out there entire budget.
@Kingrex16 Only by dimensional volume b/c most of the ship is in open space. They did that to make their ships more intimidating but I don't think they had more cargo/crew space than a Galaxy.
@jaymib ds9 (atleast all the outside space scenes) were all done in CGI in season 6 and 7. which is where almost all the battle scenes took place. the only model they used in these 2 seasons was the actual model of the station itself.
yeah I think you're right there the station andI think the Defiant aswell because that wasriginaly a model except fr the episoeds when it was being blwn up as the valiant and in the dogs f war episode I think when the breen destroyed it
If you watch the battle scenes, the ships are extremely close in. With the bubble shields used during that time, there would be a high risk of collision during the battle.
We didn't see hull-tight shields until the later TNG movies I think.
Now that still doesn't explain why the dominion didn't have shields, considering that they don't give a shit if they ram into an enemy vessel (or so it seems), but at least it explains why the non-suicidal factions don't use them.
@kallemick Do you know what a typo is? It's when you make a quick mistake when typing! It's nothing to do with spelling ability! As you can see now that I am not speed typing I can spell fine! Stop being an argumentative idiot!
@GrrFunguschops you mean the . ? i just dont make them because i never learned it and its because im at a shitty school besides why do we need to make them? people should be smart enough to understand anyway
A lot of people are going on about DS9 being better than TNG? hmm....I like the TNG, Voyager and DS9....but don't forget they ALL FAIL in comparison to The Original Series. Charlie X, Space Seed..The Writing in that show makes me think..maybe we are getting dumber as a species. TNG was Regan erra political correctness, DS9 was an antisocial fat nerds space fantasy, and Voyager was the Odyssey in space...out of the three, I pick Voyager.
sry people you are both wrong. DS9 is not superior to TNG or vise versa. These two shows have a totally different feel.
TNG's pacifistic message and often genius SINGLE episodes cannot be compared to DS9's Babylon 5 like war story arc.
Speaking of B5, you know that DS9 is based on the basic concept of that show, do you? It got denied when JMS proposed it but after he left to do his own, Paramount needed to react, so DS9 was born.
It's wonderful too, despite some issues. Like silly battle logic.
@TheOneSourceOfTruth: They had some really cool battles going on later in the show but they were totally unrealistic. Like a swarm of vessels just standing still in the middle of nowhere, BLOCKING the path of the good guys :-) It's space!!! You can fly around those, people!
Also strange that all ships were lacking shield effects later on and seem to get blown up by a single hit one time and never the next. Plus a lot of disappointing recycled effects in the last season.
1000 ships just hovering around in the middle of nowhere doesn't sound silly? And the good guys launching themselves into the middle and splitting up doesn't sound even more stupid to you?
How would you fight them just warp past and have that massive fleet warp in right behind you and smash the whole fleet as the station rips you apart form the other side.
Or you would try and split it up abit so you MIGHT be able to take on the station with that massive fleet to busy to warp in to support it.
You might think it is silly but its a good tactic by the enemy such a massive show of force to tell the enemy you are going to lose.
@TheOneSourceOfTruth by ur logic there would nvr be any battles then cause in the airforce, u could just fly around them, in the navy u could just stear around them, and in the army u could just maneauver around them. but there are battles cause the enemy can move too. if the fed fleets had just gone around, the dom would follow and the battle would happen in some other location.
@TheOneSourceOfTruth Explain how DS 9 was concieved while The Great Bird was still alive in 1991. Babylon 5 did not premiere until 1993. Was it it considered all that time? Regardless of who ripped of who, DS 9 is a superior series to TNG. Why? Trek has always been about exploring the human condition. What series exemplified that better than DS 9?
@Section31Captain I have to agree with you there. While I love TNG and would argue to anyone it was the best show on television during its run, the complex thematic writing in DS9 was consistently superior to TNG for a great percentage of episodes. This should not be surprising since DS9 writers could pick and choose between elements of TNG to either build on or discard. The Klingon development in DS9 is a monumental achievement by itself and Gul Dukat is arguably 1 of the best villains in Trek.
@erentheca TNG was THE best show on television during it's run. That is not in question. It can be argued that it is THE best series of all time. However, in my opinion as a Trekkie for 30 years, DS 9 was vastly superior. Yes, TNG set the stage, but it was DS 9 that dared to explore the darkness of evolved humans that live in a utopian society, even more so than TOS did. DS 9's greatest example; Section 31.
Total fucking mental.Always like seeing this.
admillnx6 3 months ago
@quantum460 we get all of em on sci-fi ch here in Oz.
defiant18 3 months ago
u call it a "space battle" but as iv seen in most of star trek, that means firing the phasers 3 times and firing one torpedo.
defiant18 3 months ago
You bring a Miranda class ship to this sort of battle because in an everything or nothing battle, you bring EVERYTHING.
mattorama 3 months ago
This is Awesome!!!
Jamesytdjv 3 months ago
Love the battle scenes
rowan1325 4 months ago
if i had a quarter for every time i saw stock footage in this battle i would be fucking rich. i was so let down when i saw this on tv.
spacexploder 5 months ago
After a battle like this, Odo returning to the great link and thereby ending the war seemed like such a cop-out. Besides, he could've done that years earlier and save millions of lives.
IamNaphula 6 months ago
I always loved these battles.
kevvlrauhl 6 months ago
@kevvlrauhl me too
ttow1944 4 months ago
why dont they show this one on tv?
SKallday100 7 months ago
I wish the Romulans brought Scimitar into that battle
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youneekk 8 months ago
This was my favourite episode and is the best finale of any scif-fi series (even with the recycle nosense), I loved it when the Cardassians turned sides and started to take out the Breen and Jem'Hadar. What gets me as the Breen\Jem'Hadar were starting to go to retreat why didn't the fleet just launch as many torpedoes as weapons as possible before the enemy fleet jumped to warp.
Zorolord 8 months ago
@quantum460 I get Voyager once a week (sundays) on my Local ABC channel. But I agree. Need a Trek Channel!
TheMontanaDave 8 months ago
What happened to the shields of all the ships? Surely Photon & Quantum torpedoes aren't that powerful
MichaelWard359 8 months ago
@MichaelWard359 Shield strength is directly proportional to the number of named characters on board.
Leushenko 7 months ago 2
they are all on space channel in canada 5 days a week
FashTurbo 9 months ago
@quantum460 ds9
markpiscitelli 9 months ago
one big disapointment i had in the final episode was the heavy use of RECYCLED SPACE CLIPS!!!! i even saw footage from star trek 6 of the klingon getting sucked out (played in reverse), the most obvious clip is the 2 mirandas being destroyed side by side. how could they just use that twice like that?? its the final episode, make some new stuff, its not that hard anymore!!!
michaelfreudiger 9 months ago
@michaelfreudiger battlestar galactica named best action drama show of all time... used clips of same space combat for about four episodes then end season and season 2 3 4 never did it again they might of been low on budget at that point. who knows
skycaprob 9 months ago
@michaelfreudiger DS9 ended in 1999. 12 years ago when CGI in TV shows wasn't easy. Sure, they could do one or two ships, but an entire battle scene? No way.
craze1701 8 months ago
@craze1701
Babylon 5?
Usul573 7 months ago
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craze1701 7 months ago
@Usul573 Babylon 5 had terrible CGI, even for it's time. DS9 was better done in mostly models because they looked better in the 90s.
craze1701 7 months ago
@craze1701
DS9 switched to CGI for the sixth and seventh seasons I think.
Babylon 5 was the first sci-fi show to use CGI mainly, and it was a much lower budget show than DS9, so yeah, it's not the best at times but some of it is pretty good looking still.
I think those are the only two shows I can think of that had some big space battles in the 1990s, Voyager had some decent battles too.
Usul573 7 months ago
@Usul573 I'm not saying there wasn't CGI in DS9's days, but they used models mainly because they looked better at the time.
craze1701 7 months ago
@craze1701
Mostly at first, for this scene and a lot of the battles in the later scenes entirely CGI though, it's virtually impossible to do a large scale battle on a TV show with models, it takes a lot of time and money, CGI is a bit more cost effective for a lot of things. That's also part of why Babylon 5 used it.
Usul573 7 months ago
real shame they shields are never on in the large scale battles of ds9
BlackAngelus 1 year ago 2
Always get goosebumps when the Cardassians suddenly switch sides. FOOOOORRRRRRR CAAAAAAAAARRRRRDDDDAAASSSSSIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
bojo8686 1 year ago 2
hope mass effect 3's battles like this!
JordoF6 1 year ago
Shame they couldn't get the Borg to help out in the battle, would've been over quicker
ChildOfTheWilderness 1 year ago
@ChildOfTheWilderness If the borg were there three shots and they'd all be dead
superstarben37 11 months ago
I hated the way they ended the Dominion War. It should have been a fight to the last Jem'Hadar. If the producers really wanted to illustrate the hell of war what better way than having an enemy fight to the last man for a cause that is hopelessly lost. The Founder's last minute change of heart was a huge cop-out imo.
Fbueller129 1 year ago
Solids must die
AgentGrady 1 year ago
00:24-00:34 DEFIANT-CAM!!
Amusement parks should make a ride like that. ^_^
Toobulations 1 year ago
so, this was a battle between who and who?
Mverm4 1 year ago
@Mverm4
romulans,federation and klingons
vs
breen,cardassians and dominion
dapenguin2 1 year ago
@dapenguin2 cool, thanks. What happend to the vulcans?
Mverm4 1 year ago
@Mverm4 The Vulcans are part of the Federation.
Toobulations 1 year ago
Star Trek (Deep Penetration 9 inches)
yetibiker08 1 year ago
what a masacre!
MAXTHEASTARTES 1 year ago
The ship action sequences in deep space nine were stunning if you think about it ,when you watch more recent shows they rarely get the scale of action like in ds9
Manchester1O1 1 year ago 30
@Manchester1O1
Battlestar Galactica says 'Hi'
MrTurdFurgeson 1 year ago 2
is it me or does this bring up hitler
ephillips2008 1 year ago
@ephillips2008 its you - .-
MAXTHEASTARTES 1 year ago
@ephillips2008
I think of the Banana Spits from the 70's actually!
yetibiker08 1 year ago
nice vhs rip
DOHC2L 1 year ago
thats not the last battle. you can tell cause the cardassians allied themselves with the federation klingons and romulans at the end to destroy the dominion and breen forces.
TitanLover8011 1 year ago
@TitanLover8011 It is the last battle. Still, great use of stock footage.
borgduck 1 year ago
@borgduck yeah. i just relized that he didnt put in the turning of the cardassians
TitanLover8011 1 year ago
I don't know why they insist on bringing Miranda class ships to these sorts of battles. They are like the red shirts of the fleet.
deke76 1 year ago 70
@deke76
The Federation brought many older ships out of retirement for these battles and battles against the Borg. Every ship was considered necessary for the survival of the Federation no matter how badly they were outgunned.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@deke76 Them and the Excelsiors.....
GeneralKenobiSIYE 1 year ago
@deke76 Same reason we use frigits. Thay'er small and lightly armed, but fast and highly manuverable. Good for hit and run manuvers. Also, where as a larger vesal can be an odvious target. A smaller one can slip in unseen in all the confusion of battle.
Andrewcranky 1 year ago
@deke76 why else is there pawns in chess ;)
Heretic920 11 months ago
@deke76 and why Miranda? They could have at least called them Olgas or Berthas or something.
Thechezbailey 11 months ago
@Thechezbailey I think Miranda was the name of the mistress that was servicing the Admiral that pushed the Miranda class ship contract through.
deke76 11 months ago
@deke76
This is TNG don't you mean yellow shirts? LOL!!!
smcneal057 11 months ago
Miranda class ships are cheaper to build than most other ships used by6 starfleet.
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deke76 6 months ago
@deke76 They Look like Miranda Class Starship's but they are Miranda Class III Cruisers i dont know if that counts as Miranda Class because its a refit but they have never excelled in those battles. like you said they are the red shirts of the fleet.
captainbly200 6 months ago
@captainbly200 They're frigates. Frigates always get blown up.
Bitemis 4 months ago
@deke76 Oh thats easy; For the insurance!
C0mb1n3 6 months ago
@deke76 Because we need to see something blow up lol.
GeneralArrow 4 months ago
USS Defiant = USS Sao Paulo
We Brazilians hate these shift in its name... :((
jekillhyde 1 year ago
@jekillhyde They could've named it anything they wanted before re-dubbing it Defiant, they didn't have to make a mention of Sao Paulo at all.
tremedar 1 year ago
Warp engines are supposed to be mounted away from the craft, like Enterprise, to be able to create the warp bubble to travel in at light speed. According to the manual, they need to be away from the craft, or the craft will explode. Guess they made an exception for the Defiant.
WiseGuy5674 1 year ago
remember when scifi channel used to show sci fi movies. now its just the stargate channel. wich sucks. its all because there is a woman running the channel. shes to worried about showing the pretty boys then good action sequences and special effects. get a male nerd in charge they know good sci fi.
2269jessie 1 year ago
shame its not the last battle, you have parts from the other battles.
f1fana1 1 year ago
@f1fana1 - yep...I agree.
dougeagle 1 year ago
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@f1fana1 It is the last battle, they just used stock footage!
borgduck 1 year ago
What an amazing sequence in Star Trek TV series.... no movie has come close to this scale of battle or action! Ds9 really delivered the goods!
GeorgeKayaian 1 year ago
Attack Alone.
neterer 1 year ago
They "recycled" some scenes from "Sacrifice of Angels" for the final battle, i think.
WolgaGambit 1 year ago
Dominion Battleships are HUGE!!!!!!
crackshack2 1 year ago
this show rocked. i just lent it to a work buddy and he is halfway through season 2. i told him it really gets going in s3. anyways, the battle scenes were awesome. and thanks to trek and star wars i also enjoyed bsg and sg. they have great battle scenes too. but nothing will ever compare to ds9 battles. thanks for posting
OopeeShaba 1 year ago
@OopeeShaba watch serenity that is in my opinion one of the best sci fi films because it really has a great story and doesnt stick to standard sci fi like trek of star wars give it a go : )
ShalowBrainGuy 1 year ago
@ShalowBrainGuy Yes but Star Trek and Star Wars CREATED standard sci-fi. But Doctor Who pwns all.
badcompanyization 1 year ago 3
to bad most of the scenes used in the final battle were already used, kinda felt a bit disappointed when i saw this episode ...
clbeatszz 1 year ago
@Stockslivevan for information Roddenberry had died before they started making VOY
Doctor12222 1 year ago
@Doctor12222 I know that, hence why I brought up that Berman tried upholding Roddenberry's ideas in the first place. VOY was originally conceived by Piller about two groups with very different ideas trying to find a way back home but that aspect got abandoned very early.
Stockslivevan 1 year ago
THIS BATTLE MAKES NOOOOOOOOOO SENCE WHAT SO EVER
whitemanstand72 1 year ago
@whitemanstand72 because of the editing?
OopeeShaba 1 year ago
So what I always wondered on battles such as this, how come you never see the shield shell react like you do in regular episodes with standoffs? The ships just blow up from one shot....I just can't believe all shields would be down for these battles.
NGinuity 1 year ago
All hands, prepare for immenent pwnage
matroid9 1 year ago
a quick question from someone that doesn't watch the show:
Why does this seem more like a dog-fight than a naval space engagement?
mager56723 1 year ago
my god what bad quality
sanderrodijk 1 year ago
The Jem haddar are cowards. Time after time, they don't fight, they just ram their ships into the enemies. that would of given me an idea had i been on the other side of the battle. I would of formed small ships manned by robots and rammed their bigger ships so that only their shit small ships would be left. I would finish them off with defiant class starships.
Romulan112 1 year ago
@Romulan112 good idea. Another funny thing to think about: If a Defiant size ship collided with earth going warp 9 it would destroy all life on the planet.
devrobbiz 1 year ago
@Romulan112 in this instance of ship ramming the jem haddar would be the space version of the kamikazee. i think they echo the saying of former govenor and wwf superstar jesse" the body" ventura when he would proudly state " win if you can , lose if you must, but always cheat".
jamiirali1 1 year ago
@jamiirali1 yes, its their verson of kamikazee. But remember the Japanese ONLY did it as a last resort. In DS9 remember, the Jem Hadar are supposed to be more advanced this the Federation, why would they resort to that style of fighting before even fighting? to me they were cowards.
Romulan112 1 year ago
@Romulan112 maybe the writers thought some of us gullible not to notice cheap tactics from a so-called advanced enemy.
jamiirali1 1 year ago
@Romulan112 Wrong. How can anyone after the Bush admin call those who are willing to take themselves out in order to achieve their goal be called a coward? You do not know the meaning of the word.
vonBeavis 1 year ago
@vonBeavis what are U talking about? bush adm??? you seem like to me, someone from the middle east trying to tie in my statement with the actions of those in AFghanistan or Iraq, right?
Romulan112 1 year ago
@Romulan112 Dude, you and wrong go together. Not only am I not from the ME, all you had to do was click on my name to see where I work. Point is you called the Jem Hadar cowards for ramming. On 9/11 Bush called the hijackers cowards; a coward doesn't sacrifice himself for a mission, however misguided.
To this day the Japanese honor those who sacrificed themselves as human guidance systems.
Back to Star Trek, you'd say Picard and Worf are cowards for planning to ram Borg cubes.
vonBeavis 1 year ago
@vonBeavis Allow me to reclarify ... The Jem Hadar are supposed to be more advanced than the Fed, Romulans, and Klingons. YET, in this battle, they don't even fight. I assume either them or the Vorta just go onto suicide missions. Remember how there was no lookout points on the ship. Either way, its a cowardice to just not fight and use your ship as a torpedo (big onelol ).
As for Picard and Worf, they were going to ram as a last resort, not FIRST resort.
Romulan112 1 year ago
My friend is a Star Wars fan, and he said that Star Wars would win all battles between Star Trek. Can someone help me with this?
indianajoneszilla 1 year ago
VHS, how quaint.
youtert 1 year ago
Breen cruisers are so chaotic in theirs sharp design
personally my favorite
buokopter 1 year ago
@Stockslivevan True that. Many of Sisko's choices paralleled Kirk's decisions and even Spock's. TNG is something of a middle ground between TOS and VOY. The blatant and persistent application of the Prime Directive is usually pointless and derelict of rationality, and is always annoying. Janeway's utopian moralism is exaggerated to the point of being sickening at times. Often the only voice of true Trek present VOY is heard in Tom Paris, often when he is protesting some decision of Janeway's.
erentheca 1 year ago
DS9 is definitely a great compliment to TNG's emphasis on peace and diplomacy. Many of the seeds laid down by Picard in TNG grow into strong alliances in DS9 under Sisko. While I like the Star Trek reboot, the supernova destruction of Romulus was an illegal plot device, and the Klingon-Federation war in Star Trek Online was not as much as a remotely realistic writing choice as a marketing tool to create a more combat-oriented video game.
erentheca 1 year ago
Please excuse my nescience. I didn't see that episodes: Why don't the ships have any shields?
M1chl42 1 year ago
What will the Defiant type ships and the Klingon Birds of Prey look like 11 year later ?
The Defiant was Mint. but i was tiring of seeing the same ship over and over again.
The Klingon ships were cool,. But a new BOP was in order.
The Reliant ships could do with a Tweak. They were never fully utilised.
Roadracer987654321 1 year ago
To what episode does this battle come?
topfanastartrek 1 year ago
DS9 is the Short Bus version of Star Trek.
ptdnet 1 year ago
The most epic battle since Wolf 359
Thirdshiftzombie 1 year ago
where was the enterprise e during all of this?
Urbania05 1 year ago
stock footage out the ass. even used stuff from movies. i was really disappointing when i saw this on tv
spacexploder 1 year ago
Terrible quality there, mate
Austindude3954 1 year ago
these last seasons of ds9 made star trek cool again.. i was rather tired of the fly to this planet and explore shit routine
bjornjoseph 1 year ago
@bjornjoseph Thats about all Gene wanted Trek to be... thank god for this season.
SpudAlmighty 1 year ago
@bjornjoseph yea I think somebody said it: that DS9 was unique in that the characters had to deal with the consequences of whatever change they had effected in a particular episode..becuase they didnt leave and go to another planet.. I loved DS9
reason4being 1 year ago
this series much less the st series whether ds9, stv,or tng always has faced things that are relevant in our time my step son still has a problem seeing but st in any form lets you see what this galaxy or at least our section of it could be 100,000 light years across and billions of stars any of a multitude like our own sun leaves so many chances for life !!!!!!
mikekobbler 1 year ago
pew pew :D
Zorn27 1 year ago
that was so cool i remeber watching the episode but it looks so cool if u just show the battle epic
starman47611 1 year ago
Did anyone else feel bad when those two Miranda class starships were destroyed? I dunno, I guess I got attached to 'em (O.o) ; they are my favorite class of Trek ship...
Spider2point0 1 year ago
Blimey, @stockslivevan, aren't people entitled to their opinions? 'Folks who say DS9 betrayed Trek sensibilities are wrong."
Whose to say what is wrong and right?
Rosiilee 1 year ago
@Rosiilee "aren't people entitled to their opinions? 'Folks who say DS9 betrayed Trek sensibilities are wrong."
Whose to say what is wrong and right?"
It's a fact, not an opinion. Simple. Anyone who says DS9 betrayed TOS because "Trek wasn't about war" are flat out wrong since TOS did deal with war in all aspects. However, Trek isn't just about war but about pretty much anything. I just roll my eyes when a fan claims otherwise. To those people, watch TOS.
Stockslivevan 1 year ago
I like VOY more than DS9, but I can see its appeal :)
For me, the idea of a long journey, back home, kinda like the Iliad and the Odyssey, is far more appealing than the general story arc of DS9. : /
Hell, I even like VOY more than TNG, though TNG was my fav for many reasons, the reason I find it less of my kind of story, is that you have the support of familiar allies most of the time, and the federation is right next door : /
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago 2
@TheReasonWhyGuy Voy though had shit writting
nocliper101 1 year ago
@nocliper101 Stating that which is subjective, as though it is objective, is a great sign of arrogance. Either that or, it's a great sign of ignorance, being that you may not understand how you sound.
Unless you're a troll, since trolls often use the above mentioned tactic to elicit a response.
If you are arrogant enough to assume that all you opinions are fact, then I can't help you.
Or if you are ignorant of how you sound, then might I advise you use a qualifier? If you are a troll, STFU ;P
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
may i ask did the dominion use weopons that bypassed sheilds ???
skycaprob 1 year ago
@skycaprob it wasn't a Dominion weapon, it was a Breen weapon. And the Breen weren't exactly sharing the technology. Honestly, with how reclusive the Breen are, I'm surprised they even teamed up with the Dominion. With how much they despise failure, I'm surprised they teamed up with the Dominion after the Dominion had been thoroughly trounced.
luccaskunk 1 year ago
@luccaskunk Yes, they were sharing it. There's an episode which was central to the federation alliance learning how to neutralize the energy dampening effect in which Kira/Damar/Garak/Odo infiltrate a Jem'hadar fighter that's having one installed in order to steal the ship and the Breen weapon.
tremedar 1 year ago
Well, at least Starfleet finally manged to get rid of all those old pesky Miranda class vessels while doing something almost productive (getting blown to scrap counts as productive right?)!
leptonsoup337 1 year ago
*sigh* This isn't the end battle of DS9. Some clips are, yes. There are also scenes from "Sacrifice of Angels", the battle of Chin'toka, and others.
Please don't bloat a vid with unnecessary footage and claim that it is something it isn't.
Thank you.
bayushizero 1 year ago
I think I read somewhere that adding in shields both make the battle scenes more expensive to produce (easily twice as much) and lengthen them to an unacceptable degree. Plus, lots of boom equals more visceral action and visual excitement.
Lastly, before anybody says "Break the budget? It's only CGI!", well-done cgi and sfx is bitchin difficult and expensive out the ass.
airemacil 1 year ago
@airemacil your right about the budget, but CGI was not the issue. back then paramount did not use CGI for there ships but scale models . it was bad enough to have to add a shield effect to Evey CGI ship. but to add them in for every individual model? good lord the price. it would have looked sweet, but would have blown out there entire budget.
kosh1968 1 year ago
Ahhh star trek and their stock footage, they just love to use scenes over and over.....
wiccaboi83 1 year ago
The ship at 1:15 looks a bit like Enterprise-E
BAMitisME 1 year ago
@BAMitisME That's because it's the same class.
GrrFunguschops 1 year ago
@GrrFunguschops defiant class! lol
BAMitisME 1 year ago
@BAMitisME Oh sorry! I thought you were referring to the Galaxy in the background. oops
GrrFunguschops 1 year ago
@Reliquish they declared a no shield match , i think
purdy1985 1 year ago
Yeah and compared to star trek as in the whole thing enterprise is rubbish!
kezzlovesit10 1 year ago
maybe shiel usage wasn't considered in order to preserve weapons strength?
Aku666Torres 1 year ago
compared too enterprise battles this was pathetic.
dieath2 1 year ago
@dieath2 It's a shame enterprise sucked then!
GrrFunguschops 1 year ago
there would be so much rubble floating around like in the 09 trek movie, it would be super hard to navigate
tbjets 1 year ago 2
The battleships at the very end of the video looks enormous, 10 km long or so !
Raminagrobisfr 1 year ago
i think thats the Dominion Super Battleship that is 3x stronger than a Galaxy and 2x its size. So it should be more like 1.5km long by my estimate.
Audioholics 1 year ago
Romulan Warbirds were also bigger than a galaxy class.
Thanks Memory Alpha
Kingrex16 1 year ago
@Kingrex16 Only by dimensional volume b/c most of the ship is in open space. They did that to make their ships more intimidating but I don't think they had more cargo/crew space than a Galaxy.
Audioholics 1 year ago
It be great iuf they remastered the battle scenes with CGI, like the models are great and all, but alot of stock footage was used during DS9.
jaymib 1 year ago
@jaymib ds9 (atleast all the outside space scenes) were all done in CGI in season 6 and 7. which is where almost all the battle scenes took place. the only model they used in these 2 seasons was the actual model of the station itself.
TheMarokii 1 year ago
yeah I think you're right there the station andI think the Defiant aswell because that wasriginaly a model except fr the episoeds when it was being blwn up as the valiant and in the dogs f war episode I think when the breen destroyed it
sjsharp2007 1 year ago
" WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE SHIELDS ARE OFFLINE?!" sums DS9 battles...
barak219 1 year ago
If you watch the battle scenes, the ships are extremely close in. With the bubble shields used during that time, there would be a high risk of collision during the battle.
We didn't see hull-tight shields until the later TNG movies I think.
Now that still doesn't explain why the dominion didn't have shields, considering that they don't give a shit if they ram into an enemy vessel (or so it seems), but at least it explains why the non-suicidal factions don't use them.
TehUberTrekkie 1 year ago
Hey ,,, check out star trek vs star wars ,, theres a bunch of wiredoes ragging on star trek , Go there and comment back ,, Show your support !!!!!!!
erwintipton 1 year ago
not real ships
MeIsArtTickYouLet 1 year ago
No shit sherlock
RexL3gend 1 year ago
DAm that brings back memories deep space nine was the shit
jedionline 2 years ago 2
@jedionline why was DS9 bad? it looks good for those episodes and clips i have seen on youtube with all the war stuff
kallemick 1 year ago
@kallemick I believ "the shit" is being used in a good way!
GrrFunguschops 1 year ago
@GrrFunguschops and i believe that you spell like a donkey with a buzzsaw up in the ass
kallemick 1 year ago
@kallemick Oh no you found a typo! What will I do now?
GrrFunguschops 1 year ago
@GrrFunguschops i would recommend that you learn to spell better
kallemick 1 year ago
@kallemick Do you know what a typo is? It's when you make a quick mistake when typing! It's nothing to do with spelling ability! As you can see now that I am not speed typing I can spell fine! Stop being an argumentative idiot!
GrrFunguschops 1 year ago
@GrrFunguschops i dont see how you can miss letters in "believe" because of a typo i understand if it was a wrong letter or something
kallemick 1 year ago
@kallemick I just type fast. OK? Now leave me alone! As a side note your punctuation is terrible.
GrrFunguschops 1 year ago
@GrrFunguschops you mean the . ? i just dont make them because i never learned it and its because im at a shitty school besides why do we need to make them? people should be smart enough to understand anyway
kallemick 1 year ago
@kallemick I know most people do understand sentences without punctuation! Most people also understand how typo's happen!
GrrFunguschops 1 year ago
@GrrFunguschops i do understand a typo but what you wrote is more a word spelled in a wrong way to me
kallemick 1 year ago
A lot of people are going on about DS9 being better than TNG? hmm....I like the TNG, Voyager and DS9....but don't forget they ALL FAIL in comparison to The Original Series. Charlie X, Space Seed..The Writing in that show makes me think..maybe we are getting dumber as a species. TNG was Regan erra political correctness, DS9 was an antisocial fat nerds space fantasy, and Voyager was the Odyssey in space...out of the three, I pick Voyager.
ffcloud321 2 years ago
im wodering that theyve build so much enterprices since a short time......
StinkiwinkiPoo 2 years ago
Shit was hot. That's me all up in a Galaxy/ Clestial class tomorrow, once the head start on STO is up^^ =D
Shaprika 2 years ago
sry people you are both wrong. DS9 is not superior to TNG or vise versa. These two shows have a totally different feel.
TNG's pacifistic message and often genius SINGLE episodes cannot be compared to DS9's Babylon 5 like war story arc.
Speaking of B5, you know that DS9 is based on the basic concept of that show, do you? It got denied when JMS proposed it but after he left to do his own, Paramount needed to react, so DS9 was born.
It's wonderful too, despite some issues. Like silly battle logic.
TheOneSourceOfTruth 2 years ago 11
@TheOneSourceOfTruth: They had some really cool battles going on later in the show but they were totally unrealistic. Like a swarm of vessels just standing still in the middle of nowhere, BLOCKING the path of the good guys :-) It's space!!! You can fly around those, people!
Also strange that all ships were lacking shield effects later on and seem to get blown up by a single hit one time and never the next. Plus a lot of disappointing recycled effects in the last season.
B5 avoided all that.
TheOneSourceOfTruth 2 years ago
The logic was sound and not silly that fleet was blocking the way to DS9 a heavy battle station.
IF you fly past you now have a battle station and a fleet twice your size to fight only now you are stuck in the worst place you can be.
IF you stand and fight you might be able to take enough of the fleet out to allow ships to slip past why the enemy fleet is still to busy fighting.
Over all it was a catch 22 fight or warp past you risk the loss of every ship in the fleet.
Darzok 1 year ago
@Darzok: You really believe that right?
1000 ships just hovering around in the middle of nowhere doesn't sound silly? And the good guys launching themselves into the middle and splitting up doesn't sound even more stupid to you?
TheOneSourceOfTruth 1 year ago
was around 1200 ships twice feds fleet.
How would you fight them just warp past and have that massive fleet warp in right behind you and smash the whole fleet as the station rips you apart form the other side.
Or you would try and split it up abit so you MIGHT be able to take on the station with that massive fleet to busy to warp in to support it.
You might think it is silly but its a good tactic by the enemy such a massive show of force to tell the enemy you are going to lose.
Darzok 1 year ago
@TheOneSourceOfTruth by ur logic there would nvr be any battles then cause in the airforce, u could just fly around them, in the navy u could just stear around them, and in the army u could just maneauver around them. but there are battles cause the enemy can move too. if the fed fleets had just gone around, the dom would follow and the battle would happen in some other location.
TheMarokii 1 year ago
@TheOneSourceOfTruth Explain how DS 9 was concieved while The Great Bird was still alive in 1991. Babylon 5 did not premiere until 1993. Was it it considered all that time? Regardless of who ripped of who, DS 9 is a superior series to TNG. Why? Trek has always been about exploring the human condition. What series exemplified that better than DS 9?
Section31Captain 1 year ago
@Section31Captain tng!!
Urbania05 1 year ago
@Section31Captain I have to agree with you there. While I love TNG and would argue to anyone it was the best show on television during its run, the complex thematic writing in DS9 was consistently superior to TNG for a great percentage of episodes. This should not be surprising since DS9 writers could pick and choose between elements of TNG to either build on or discard. The Klingon development in DS9 is a monumental achievement by itself and Gul Dukat is arguably 1 of the best villains in Trek.
erentheca 1 year ago
@erentheca TNG was THE best show on television during it's run. That is not in question. It can be argued that it is THE best series of all time. However, in my opinion as a Trekkie for 30 years, DS 9 was vastly superior. Yes, TNG set the stage, but it was DS 9 that dared to explore the darkness of evolved humans that live in a utopian society, even more so than TOS did. DS 9's greatest example; Section 31.
Section31Captain 1 year ago