Phoenix FD has an excellent training video on venting tile roofed commercial structures that has some great tips and techniques. You can watch it on their website, I highly recommend it along with their other training videos. Stay safe out there!
Due in large part to this incident and others like it, Phoenix FD now does not perform vertical ventilation on tile roofed residential structures. With the construction boom that occurred in the Phoenix metro area, thousands of home were built in haste, many of them being tiled roofs. Also, during this time it was common practice to use gusset plate nailing strips to make the trusses, these only penetrate the wood approx. 3/8" and in fire conditions the roof fails much sooner than nailed truss
These videos on Youtube are great for training. Criticism should not be withheld in my opinion as we can always learn from every incident. I feel that the firefighter who fell through this roof should have been "sounding". He may have opened that hole with the sounding tool instead of his body. May have. I prefer walking the ridge when possible as well although newer light weight construction does not always have a ridge beam. Thankful he made it out. I hope he was not badly injured.
I've vented this type of roof before. It is scary due to the tiles hiding the condition of the roof material beneath. I use a rubbish hook and "sound" firmly. I have had the roof open up before me just from my sounding efforts. So "sounding" can save your butt still on tile roofs. I have always enjoyed roof work and still do but tile roofs always give me pause. As with every roof we must always consider risk versus gain. I am also a major proponent for vertical ventilation.
why go on a roof thats on fire, you are asking for trouble, you have no idea what condition the roof is in , get over the whole venting mentality, we put fires out without this venting saga
@lepernz What fire department do you work or volunteer for? id sure like to know, if you guys are not venting you are not providing a proper saftey and protection to your interior attack crew.
@lepernz you got to vent if your going to make a interior attack!!! if you dont vent their is a greater risk for the firefighters going into the house because of Flash Overs and Backdrafts
I hate clay shingles way unstable and not to mention they are real heavy. I'm suprised they let anyone up there in the first place especially without staying on a roof ladder.
that video was takin a long time ago. I hate those Clay shingles, they are unsturdy to begin with. back then, they did things diff....alot has changed because things like this happened.
@lilgriff64 Your Dad's a great guy from what I hear, I work in the Valley too. I'm sure sorry if some of these ***holes making dumb comments have upset you. Take care!
JOHNEY IS THE ONLY GUY THAT KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!!!!!! FUCK U GAY FAGGOT ..PHX FD TILL I DIE
phatholden 1 month ago
Phoenix FD has an excellent training video on venting tile roofed commercial structures that has some great tips and techniques. You can watch it on their website, I highly recommend it along with their other training videos. Stay safe out there!
johnnykATL 2 months ago
@johnnykATL thanks for the info!
ijnaqw 1 month ago
@ijnaqw Your welcome Brother!
johnnykATL 1 month ago
Due in large part to this incident and others like it, Phoenix FD now does not perform vertical ventilation on tile roofed residential structures. With the construction boom that occurred in the Phoenix metro area, thousands of home were built in haste, many of them being tiled roofs. Also, during this time it was common practice to use gusset plate nailing strips to make the trusses, these only penetrate the wood approx. 3/8" and in fire conditions the roof fails much sooner than nailed truss
johnnykATL 2 months ago
@johnnykATL ****homes****
johnnykATL 1 month ago
@lepernz Well said!
DavidNBRFC10 2 months ago
Way***
DavidNBRFC10 3 months ago
Or you stay of the roof, and get into the fire and put it out the normal wag, this is soo dangerous. I don't understand why Americans do this.
DavidNBRFC10 3 months ago
@DavidNBRFC10 we don't, it's improper
CodeNameTyphoon 2 months ago
These videos on Youtube are great for training. Criticism should not be withheld in my opinion as we can always learn from every incident. I feel that the firefighter who fell through this roof should have been "sounding". He may have opened that hole with the sounding tool instead of his body. May have. I prefer walking the ridge when possible as well although newer light weight construction does not always have a ridge beam. Thankful he made it out. I hope he was not badly injured.
okyoureanut 3 months ago
I've vented this type of roof before. It is scary due to the tiles hiding the condition of the roof material beneath. I use a rubbish hook and "sound" firmly. I have had the roof open up before me just from my sounding efforts. So "sounding" can save your butt still on tile roofs. I have always enjoyed roof work and still do but tile roofs always give me pause. As with every roof we must always consider risk versus gain. I am also a major proponent for vertical ventilation.
okyoureanut 3 months ago
Sounding that type of roof is ineffective, it doesn't give you a good idea of what's underneath you
aaronkundla 3 months ago
why go on a roof thats on fire, you are asking for trouble, you have no idea what condition the roof is in , get over the whole venting mentality, we put fires out without this venting saga
lepernz 7 months ago
@lepernz word bro!!!
samfisher20041 5 months ago
@lepernz
You have to open the roof for ventilation
McClaren15 5 months ago
@lepernz What fire department do you work or volunteer for? id sure like to know, if you guys are not venting you are not providing a proper saftey and protection to your interior attack crew.
cdffirefighter 4 months ago
@lepernz you got to vent if your going to make a interior attack!!! if you dont vent their is a greater risk for the firefighters going into the house because of Flash Overs and Backdrafts
kawasakikx250ff 3 months ago
july 1 1989
leonsk33 7 months ago
did he survive?
SuperMatinator 7 months ago
Ignore the trolls
brokemyfender 9 months ago
I hate clay shingles way unstable and not to mention they are real heavy. I'm suprised they let anyone up there in the first place especially without staying on a roof ladder.
HidingInDarkness 10 months ago
that video was takin a long time ago. I hate those Clay shingles, they are unsturdy to begin with. back then, they did things diff....alot has changed because things like this happened.
richeykw 10 months ago
was he badly hurt? hope not
MsAutobodyman 11 months ago
THATS MY DAD ...END OF STORY GET ON MY LEVEL
lilgriff64 11 months ago
@lilgriff64 fuck you no its not
boyscoutspack13 10 months ago
@lilgriff64 Your Dad's a great guy from what I hear, I work in the Valley too. I'm sure sorry if some of these ***holes making dumb comments have upset you. Take care!
johnnykATL 2 months ago