You either take full responsibility for your action or you don't...or not. This, of course, does not mean going back to the old world..
Cries to hypocrisy is not argument.
I do not support 'The Troops' because I do not support their mission. "Support the Troops', as typically used, basically means support the war and honor their 'sacrifice', since to not support it would be to spiritually undermine 'The Troops'. I like a lot of people in the military, but do not support their profession.
You either take full responsibility for your action or you don't...or not. This, of course, does not mean going back to the old world..
Cries to hypocrisy is not argument.
I do not support 'The Troops' because I do not support their mission. "Support the Troops', as typically used, basically means support the war and honor their 'sacrifice', since to not support it would be to spiritually undermine 'The Troops'. I like a lot of people in the military, but do not support their profession.
To compare ordinary citizens to man raping sodomite soldiers and pretend they are equally culpable is smoke and mirrors simply meant to distract from the reality on the ground- there could be no war without soldiers
I can tell by the way u speak that u love the sound of your own jaws flapping ie ur a bloviating pseudo intellectual windbag trying to cloud the plain facts that americans are genocidal criminals with a lot of historical mumbojumbo and utter bs.
@xxxThePeachxxx Your first argument that the military is OURS is based on the invalid assumption that WE are the government and that WE make the decisions.
What I do agree with is the fact that the citizens are responsible whatever the government does as long as they give their support to the government. Because without the citizens, a government has no power.
Conclusion: We contribute to a system that we find immoral, yet we have no problem the reaping benefits from their immoral acts.
I want you all to come home now. We need you. Our government is out of control and our borders are wide open. I support the military. I do not support this illegal war. God bless that old Red White and Blue.. And say a little prayer tonight for the men who died for you.
America is a big target for #1 being the world's only remaining superpower. When the USA is eclipsed by some other nation in power/influence, that nation will become the new punching bag. #2 the world is full of people who hate Jews, and the US is seen as a supporter of Israel, or a puppet of Israel, though they are not. # 3 envy. and a very very distant #4 legitimate grievances. Nobody's perfect. That said, America has done far more good than the British, Spanish or Roman Empires, USSR, etc.
Trust me Peaches if you have served in iraq/afghanistan constantly at risk of getting blown to bits by islamic terrorists you would be supporting the troops, show a bit of compassion for those who put their lives on the line 24/7.
@rodrigodet You must think the troops are all horrible woman-raping, mean machine, insensitive, dalek people. Maybe when you serve in the front lines youll get a better understanding (not saying I have served btw).
@TheSchemer1 maybe she doesn't beLIEve it is her right to go into another country and try to impose her will. maybe she doesn't beLIEve she has the right to kill innocent people to push a political agenda. maybe U.S. troops Should Not be at risk, because they Should Not be over there. maybe you should have compassion for people living in a country that is Occupied by the U.S. military.
The military is not responsible to the public, but to an elite class of rulers. Our elections are undemocratic, and with a million civilians dead in Iraq one cannot justify the Untied States military nor the 40 million civilians it has killed since the end of World War II. Plus, arguing one point by making other points is a textbook logical fallacy.
It's the issue of respect I think most people have a problem with. Why should you be forced or expected to support or respect something that hasn't directly effected you? It isn't the soiders fought they have become caught up in something non of us knew would become so huge. If you support them, then support them coming home.
With few exceptions, most people who serve a criminal institution, as our government is, are criminal accomplices. We do have the power or conscience not to participate in the murder of brown people overseas or oppression of our own people. There is no excuse and there is no honor and dignity risking our lives for our masters. Saying that no country has a right to exist is a cop out. We cannot help what happened in history but we do have the power to not support injustices being committed today.
I think the short answer is, she and the rest of us humans, do what's best for us. We don't care more for anything else. It is not in our humanity to care for anything more than ourselves. Instincts are an ingrained evolutionary part of existence in order to keep us safe.
With that said, no citizen or service person should feel regret, only for enlisting. We should all regret that we allow those instincts to control us, even when we know what's right.
VERY ARTICULATE AND PROFOUND. YOU'RE GLOBAL VIEW IS CONTEXTUALLY PERFECT. I ENJOYED YOU'RE THESIS. I WILL ALSO STICK MY TONGUE ALL THE WAY UP YOU'RE ASSHOLE, LICK THE BOTTOM OF YOU FEET, AND SUCK YOU'RE CLIT UNTIL YOU CUM ALL OVER YOURSELF. BEAUTIFUL SMART AND INTROSPECTIVE. I LOVE YOU.
USA troops have been political pawns and have been lied to about benefits. USA will spend more trillions caring for the injured for decades. Cheney and Bush should be shackled to a post in the middle of Baghdad near a pile of throwing sized rocks.
The indians didn't own the land. So we didn't steal it from them. Indians lived a savage brutal lifestyle that we attempted to co-exist with, but found it necessary to wage war. Which is why I support the troops.
Sorry but to say we are all responsbile for the actions of the military because we are all part of society requires you to actualy live in a democrasy.
And you don't, you live under the dictastorship of the businbess party. You have no choice or influence over what the military does.
So in joining the military, you are part of the problem.
No ! I will never support the troops and now one else would if they new the truth
WAKE UP to this nonsense PEACE NOW
1.5 million innocent civilians dead in Afghanistan/Iraq war ..The Americans have been fighting against peoples who have no military, no aircraft carriers, no air-force, you get what Im saying ! they have no technology in warfare all they have are a few road side bombs that wouldnt surprise me if they where put there by the very same organization that runs America
@halflifeproductionz nowhere near as many as US troops and drones have killed. no where even close. sadam killed 5000 kurds and a handful of political opponents US troops have killed over a MILLION iraqis alone, nevermind the 400 000 plus afghanis killed, the taliban, from their inception, can only dream of killing a fraction of that number. over a million people in one country in modern warfare! 600 000 people were killed in the rwanda genocide, america has quadrupled that in Nam, iraq etc.
@wabfunk EPIC FAIL LOSER!! american's never killed a million in iraq, the only opinion poll that says 1 million is the unreliable opinion research business poll exaggerated for political soundbites.
@halflifeproductionz Yeah, I suppose half that would be more expectable to you right? You just don't get it do you einstein. Oh well. More power to you, have a nice life.
@wabfunk its actualy one tenth of what YOU THINK, you also fail to see the amount of deaths that have come as a result of islamic fundamentalism but i guess its easier to blame america.
I feel you. The only reason I joined the Air Force not too long ago is because I had to drop out of college after two years because I was too poor to continue to afford it, and I had no life skills to do anything else. It's not patriotic, but whatever. I would have done prostitution, but where i'm from in the south male prostitutes aren't in high demand. I don't support the war but I support being homeless even less, and I really couldn't care less if someone else doesn't support my decision.
God i hate people who join just to milk the military of benefits. You should only join if you really want to serve. Cuz all the other people just bitch and moan about how terrible it is.
i have to say I agree. My brother is in the Air Force and has been for only 4 years but he did not join to support the war he joined to do something with his life, do I agree with what his job entails sometimes,no, but for the most part he is in an office on a base here in the US working on a base newspaper so you know mostly he is doing something he could do outside of the military and is working on becoming a teacher. Do I support the war no but my brother would be worse off if not for the AF.
@Reynard13Fuchs btw, have you ever notice how many people "support the troops" once they get back home? you ever notice how many people got their hands out helping all these homeless jobless veterans... unfortunately for them, not too fucking many bro... people support them when it looks nice to others... otherwise theyre forgotten unfortunately... another tragic aspect of war i suppose... "heros" today are forgotten tomorrow
@ott0Kitam Yes, I have. I have personal experience with it because I am an OIF Veteran. A majority of those people that do help, are Vietnam vets that didn't get a welcome back. They got spit on, every one of them, no matter what their actual mission was while in the service. Compared to the total population in the US, it's not many, but compared to civilian volunteers to help vets, it's more than any other war.
@Reynard13Fuchs if they were truly thinking for themselves, and not just mindless cannon fodder, they would see that they have much more in common with those poor people whose countries they demolish, than they do the men pulling the strings profitting off of all this needless suffering. but again, people are so hopelessly enslaved to their subjective ideologies, that murdering peaceful innocent people, is justified to them
btw, very intelligent reply back there. "say that to a soldier" smh
lol soldiers are mindless cannon fodder... perpetuating the subsidized violence of the state, to the benefit and profit of banksters, who actually own our benevolent guvmints...
so many people take so much pride saluting silly flags and singing ridiculous anthems believing theyre free... when theyre actually totally enslaved
@ott0Kitam The civilians being enslaved, that is an accurate assessment. But do not call soldiers "Mindless cannon fodder". Many go to college in there service time or immediately afterwards.
If you really had the gaul, you'd tell a Green Beret that they are a wimp, or tell an Airborne soldier that he couldn't tie his boots right, or say to a Petroleum Supply Specialist how to maintain a Gas Station. You won't have a good day if you do it.
@Reynard13Fuchs youre right... theyre not mindless, theyre simply following orders eh... those zombies probably would have made their minds up themselves collectively, and invaded other countries with all of the battleships and f-13's that they own themselves... and all the depleted uranium in the shells theyve been lobbing all over the desert the last 20 years, they would have just done that too i suppose
@ott0Kitam Following orders is a weak defense, especially when US soldiers are given the ability to disobey unlawful orders. Orders like those given to soldiers to execute innocent civilians in Vietnam. The closest thing that a Soldier owns in the military are the boots on their feet. Everything else is issued, hand receipted, and recorded. Seriously, ask a soldiers how they feel about the Invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan. You'll be surprised at the answers.
americans stoped Hitler from finishing his campaign against jews and brought some jews in the states as a humanitarian gesture where they grew as a tumor on a healthy body. An old saying states that a beast is a beast, no matter what and they are like weeds, take one out and 10 more will pop out. Somehow America deserves the misery for trying to be God and world police.
Comparing the military to prostitution is ridiculous. One is small time entrepreneurial fake love, the other is mega corporate real death, apples and grenades, couldn't be more different. You're in total denial.
xxxthepeachxxx... Well, I am a Soldier in the U.S. Army, I am a Christian who believes every word of the Bible, I am a supporter of BOTH wars I have deployed in support of this decade, and I am a staunch Republican. So I'm sure we disagree on ALLOT of points... But I must say I am impressed, bravo to your tact, respect, and intelligence. If only we had more citizens as respectful of the fact that, while we live in an imperfect nation, we cannot generalize, because that is why we are imperfect
@joshadair86 Being a Christian and being a soldier are mutually exclusive. Im a national socialist and beleive that christianity is a curse on the white race and needs to be eradicated. 14:88 BLOOD AND HONOUR!
if your so damn unhappy with the current administration..then i have 1 word for you..VOTE..if you disagree with thier decisions do something about it.. But Blaming the Military..thats like beating the pig because he watched the fox eat your chickens.or is it easier to talk sh-t behind the screen...lol you are a Joke...and a sad little man..
@GrayDarkflite Listen here DIMWIT. UR A STOOGE, U DO AS YOUR TOLD WITHOUT BOTHERING 2 FIND OUT WHY YOU'VE BEEN TOLD 2 DO IT. SCREW UR PATHETIC WAR STORIES FROM "THE ZONE". U WERE IN "THE ZONE" BCOS U COULD'NT FRIGGIN THINK FOR UR OWN DAMN SELF. I'VE NEVER SEEN MY FRIENDS HEAD SPRAYED ANYWHERE BCOS I CHOSE NOT TO & NEITHER DID THE PEOPLE THAT SENT U 2 "THE ZONE" BCOS THEY KNOW THEY CAN SEND DIMWITS LIKE U 2 DO IT 4 THEM WHILE THEY LIVE IT UP IN BIG HOUSES, FAST CARS & NICE CHICKS BACK HOME.
Wabfunk...are you living in the us..? is it here you sit at home and type your BS ..? must be nice to sit under the protection of your betters andYAAP like a little dog..saw your page...you HAVE got to be kidding with the communist crap...lol your an idiot..Good Day..
Wabfunk...are you for real..LMAOOOOOOOOO you have to be f--king kidding..ive been trying to think of a retort but after seeing your page..your not worth my time..Im sorry that me and mine fought for you..maybe itd be better if you were just forced out to join those you feel more at home with..good luck...
Please do not patronize me.. you have no idea what i lost..i doubt youve ever had to deal with personal loss..you can be as condescending as you like but till youve been under fire..you dont know what your talking about..
Is it not funny that OBAMA stated that he was going to "GET US OUT OF THE WAR" but we are not able to get out of this war? yes granted we did wrong to the indians but get over it are we going to morn over the Indians I think that is what she is getting at. Granted yes we were in a unjust war that ended with the atomic bomb, you must take into consideration that we eneded a war that was coming to an atomic end lol how can anyone consider the enola gay as an evil if anyone it would be an stupidi
Agree from a technically point ...... But without the troops other nations would roll over us without a second thought. And motives for joining vary, but that doesn't make a soldier any less dedicated and willing to fight and/or die for this country.
The real blame are the politicians. If their sons & daughters were forced to join, conflict would be thought out more carefully.
Chastising a soldier is to focus on the symptoms of a problem. Petty, petty-minded.
Chastising a soldier's orders, and the entire attached process, is to focus on the problem itself.
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The only thing left to discuss is a need for an army at all.
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I'm betting +80% vote do NOT open Mexico borders, for instance.
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And even if the people chastising troops are in the 20%? Then Peach's point abides ie. "Shut your trap or get the fuck out, but I don't want to hear it from you." -loosely paraphased.
haha, it sounded like you said "Hillary-ously" in place of 'hilariously'! I've been saying that too, ever since Hillary ran for president. Hey, I'm glad to hear you served in the military -- and I like what you say about it. I'm going into the Air Force soon ("hurry up and wait" starts before u even get in! lol), and I am really looking forward to it.
@xxdiogenescynicxx Cool story, they don't want your support. We're not out to "get" your support, only to expose how contradictory it is you trod on your freedoms while not supporting those who fight for it.
@Mirovozzrenie100 You aren't supporting my freedoms by being in an illegal and immoral war. You are fighting for Israel,oil and industrialists. I suggest you read A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.
@xxdiogenescynicxx Like the soldiers have a choice, many people don't agree with the war, THE POINT these people are making is whether or not you support the war you need to support the men and women who have died and put their asses on the line so pusses like you could sit on your ass typing such bullshit on youtube. Without them we'd be goosestepping down our streets spewing anti-semitic hatespeech praising a man with a dirty sanchez and a comb-over. Now get outta here!
@Mirovozzrenie100 Actually we wouldn't, because of Hitler's economic policies he was doomed to fail. Besides wallstreet and banks funded both sides of the war. Also, these soldiers did have a choice there was no conscription like their was in Vietnam. They knew that when they signed that contract they may have to kill civilians.
@xxdiogenescynicxx Yeah because it was in the contract parameters "Kill all civilians!" You really are an educated idiot aren't you? Wallstreet and banks fund everything in this country, so no shit they're funding the war, that's a given.. Just like they fund the Wells Fargo down the street.. Some people go in the military for nuclear engineering, work with computers, or go in as doctors. So no, not all soldiers do as you say, once again proving your ignorance in full.
troops are hired killers. its one thing to join an army that protects a border from invaders. but to join an army that travels to another country in order to kill, is wrong.
most existing americans had no say to what happened to the indians, but i bet if nobody joined that army, there could have been peace and less blood shed.
those of us americans that dont agree with the u.s. policies & decisions to go to kill, can not just denounce our citizenship with such ease, thanks to expatriation.
@BoycottTheSettlers You're an idiot. Such an idiot, in fact, that I couldn't even pay attention to the content of this video. I'm sorry random Youtube lady in the little aesthetically pleasing box above this comment, for I still haven't watched your video. Some moron distracted me.
Although I'm not American, I think that everyone needs to find a way to reconcile themselves to the past, present and in all likelihood future evils of their government, wherever they live. For that matter, not just our own government but the actions of our entire species if we are to be part of the human race.
I think the best healthiest response is a comittment to make the future better and to try and avoid the mistakes of our past.
I was kicked out of the USAF in 1993 for "underage drinking." All my buddies stationed in Germany drank too, but I had the good fortune to be stationed stateside, in a "free" country!
Good video. Excellent answers. It is obvious from the comments. That people on both sides don't fully understand the conflicts. And there isn't room here to explain.
Iraq maybe unjust, but keep in mind we were initially mislead.
Afghanistan. Well some idiots flew planes into sky scrapers. That was asking for the US to open a can of woopass. Get the F over that.
Don't support the troops if you don't want to. Don't spit on them either or I'll open my own can.
Iraq maybe unjust? it was unjust, no maybe about it. Miss lead i can agree with, but the American public voted those retards in, keep that in mind sir.
And how did Afghanistan cause 9/11? Their government (Taliban) supported terrorists ( keep in mind Americans ally Pakistan supports terrorists) they did not commit the acts of 9/11. Well i know what your thinking, Osama bin laden was in Afghanistan , he is the one who attacked the twin towers. Hmm... well according to the FBI
he was not 'Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.' So does that make Afghanistan an unjust war as well? Invading a sovereign country without cause?. By the way, i support the Afghanistan War, i'm just not a ignorant nationalist zombie
Point 1: Iraq was a unjust war, there is no maybe about it.
Point 2: The Afghanistan government were not the producers of 9/11, therefore making that an unjust war. (as i said, they did support terrorism. But so does Pakistan and the US sends billions on rollers to them every year, does that mean the US public supports terrorism? since its payed for with your tax dollars)
Point 3: You were mislead about the Iraq war by the government YOUR PUBLIC elected
@Bentompvp 1. Saddam Hussein bears a HUGE amount of responsibility for that war. He had over a decade and 3 Presidents to dodge that bullet.
2. The Afghanistan government under the Taliban were given an opportunity to hand Bin Laden over. watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI
3. Repeating back what I said, adding in some all CAP words. Doesn't give you any extra creditability, it only takes from it. Especially considering your own government. You know, the one YOUR PUBLIC elected has sent troops to both wars.
1. That is hardly an argument.. lol. The Iraq war was unjustified period. You have given no evidence of it being a just war.
2. So you invaded Afghanistan because they did not hand over bin laden? And your saying the reason the US did that was in response of 9/11? When a US government agency (FBI) listed him as not committing this act? 'In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.' try doing as i said and look that up.
@Bentompvp 1. Iraq was inevitable and preventable. Here's your wake up call. There is no such thing as a just war. You wait for the Jedi of the Old Republic to come to rescue and you end up fucked. I gave evidence, you stated opinion with the word "period" at the end. Get the fuck over yourself.
2. The Alamo, The Maine, Pearl Harbor. The US needs a warning label. "infamous attacks may cause the natives to go insane and ruin everything you know and love". Get real and grow up.
3. Tell me this, how do i need creditability about a government being elected in country whose political system is democracy?. Its a fact that your public elected the Bush administration into power. I merely put caps to express the significances of the words. Ahh sir, but you see the difference between me and you?
I disagree with my governments actions to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, and yes the public of my country did elect them in, but the public opposed the actions they took
A side note..seeing these people slam the military makes me sick..you folks have the rights to say what you think because of those of us who have served...we put our lives on the line while YOU sat at home and did nothing...Have you been shot at..? Have you made plans with your BEST Friend for his wedding...and watched while he was chewed apart by small arms fire..?you ungrateful as-holes make me sick
@GrayDarkflite "we put our lives on the line while YOU sat at home and did nothing" u put ur life on the line 1)where? - on the other side globe 2)why? - to kill and maim women and children that don't speak and talk like you because someone who pays u told u 2.
There's nothing wrong with joining the army 2 protect ur boarders or learn&earn a living. But your conscience should kick in somewhere between killing the 1st and the millionth person on the otherside of the world 4 a paycheque.
@GrayDarkflite Yes, we get it, 3000+ innocent people DIED on one sad day on 9/11. Isn't 10 long years, 400 000 lives in afghanistan, well over a millon lives in Iraq enough justification for the events on the fateful day. Ask urselves ?'s - "HANG ON, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE", "I'M KILLING WHOLE CULTURES AND GENERATIONS HERE", "THIS IS OVER KILL", "IS THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA WORTH IT", "WHO AM I REALLY FIGHTING FOR - OR AGAINST". "WHY DO I KEEP COMING BACK", "WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG"
@GrayDarkflite Yes, we get it, 3000+ innocent people DIED on one sad day in '01. Isn't 10 long years, 400 000 lives in afghanistan, well over a million lives in Iraq enough justification for the events on the fateful day. Ask urselves ?'s - "HANG ON, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE", "I'M KILLING WHOLE CULTURES AND GENERATIONS HERE", "THIS IS OVER KILL", "IS THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA WORTH IT", "WHO AM I REALLY FIGHTING FOR - OR AGAINST". "WHY DO I KEEP COMING BACK", "WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG"
@wabfunk Real easy to say while your sittin at home drinking your Latte.. ive never killed a woman or child...or an unarmed man for that matter..only shows your ignorance...this is pointless..you and i will never agree to disagree..but i hope with all my heart..that someday..when the sh-t hits the fan...youll have nowhere to turn...take it up with your communist Brothers...im sure theyll help..
Damn Woman..you are 1 of the most well spoken,intelligent people ive ever heard...my hats off to you...12 yrs in the military ,a life time as a modern witch...ive caught loads of bs for my choices thus far...keep em coming...A huge Fan..G
Reminds me a bit of Sartre. Nobody's innocent everybody's free, because they never really have to do something. In a really tight spot you'd have the possibility of suicide to avoid murdering others. And the comparison between prostitutes and soldiers is very interesting.
The big difference is that you can not choose the country you were born in, or weter or not you want to pay taxes. Joining the army on the other hand, is a choice you made knowing what this organization stands for. So that means that the guilt by association argument is flawed. Just on a side note, I'm extremely offended by you, equating the army to a prostitute, the prostitute has some integrity.
Sweet girl, I like her, but her justification is warrantless and poor - to say the least. Whether she likes it or not, she was a hop, skip and jump away from being part of the problem. The fact remains. Denigrating individual responsibility to socio-economic circumstance does not excuse nor nullify the immorality of mass death, destruction and theft thousands of miles away from your own boarders.
@wabfunk Soldiers are paid to protect boarders, not invade. I'm sick and tired of people using the "casualties of war" excuse to dehumanise what war really is. This is a clip full of nothing but excuses in my view. Signing a contract that gives you a government issued uniform, free education and a paycheque does not somehow, unquestionably devoid ANYONE from taking the LIFE of another.
@wabfunk All that "serve my country" nonsense is just that, nonsense. The real truth is - wars are NEVER ultimately won by invaders, they are always won by the general public of the invaded nation through conscription of everyday people who are prepared to defend their nation and identity, people who generally go back to everyday productive life once a war is over NOT full-time serving soldiers. Look at any war in history and you'll find without doubt that this is the case.
@wabfunk All humans have the benefit of conscience - and that quality should never be put up fro sale …. and sell it, is what people that become soldiers do.
First off let me apolagize for my english. That having been said I would like to comment on your video.
In Holland and I believe in many parts of Europe saying you are just a part of the machine isnt an excuse.A soldier is responsible for their own judgement, moral and ethically, and cannot hide behind "I just followed orders. If the society you live in wages a controversial war then you should decide for yourself if joining said army/airforce is ok.
You also made a few comparisons between the army and other institutions. But your analogies are very crooked. The main goal of the catholic church isnt child molestation, the main goal of the army is fighting. Every organisation will have its immoralities. But with the USA-army the question is, is the way is tries to reach its objectives not immoral in itself.
Dont get me wrong, im not talking about waging war but the reasons for fighting the wars in afghanistan and iraq.
Also not being deployed does not free you from your responsibilities. Because you stayed "at home" someone else was able to go overseas. So in my opinion you havent answered the question yet. Althoug the question was very poorly asked...
It would have been better to ask, do you feel the wars in iraq and afghanistan were just and if not, how does it feel to have been part of that machine?
@degasperis0509 You try to justify your point of view by twisting my words to make me look like the bad guy in this conversation. Honestly, I don't you are a bad guy either. All I wanted to have a friendly debate with you, but I guess since you keep falsely accusing me of speading fear and advocating mindless war and violence, I think it's better stop right here before it gets ugly. Good day, sir.
How about stop spending time and effort with stupid hypothetical situations that will never happen? How about educate our children to live without fear and built a better and just society? How about live in real world instead of living in "Fearland"? How about deal with real problems instead of inventing the enemy?
@degasperis0509 I didn't say we should live in fear and paranoia. All I said was that we need to be ready for any problem that we may face and find a proper solution to that paritcular problem. There's a difference. If you had read my comment closely enough, what I'm saying is that we cannot always depend on higher ups to protect us 24/7, and sometimes we have to do what is right into our own hands. Brave men are people who are willing to do the right thing when no one else is. That is all.
Bunny, I understand your point of view but what seems reality for you is not reality for me. There are people who want peace and there are people who want war, I agree. But if you kill a person because this person killed another person, you're doing exactly the same thing, you're killing. Can't you see that this cycle will never end? If you want peace, join the ones who help others by ending hungry, poverty and social injustice. There is no need for taking the life of anyone.
@degasperis0509 Sometimes we need to use violence to stop violence. For example, a mad man invades your house and threatens you and your family with a knife. The man has a lot of drugs in his system to a point that he can't really be reasoned with. At this moment, you and your family are terrified. In your mind, what would you do in this situation: Fight to protect your family, run away for safety, or reason with the man in hopes that he will leave? I bet you would choose the first option.
@BunnyknightX Violence should never be used under any circumstance. I will not live my life in fear. Violence is for cowards. Brave men don't need weapons. Brave men work for change and don't listen to the fear machine that insists in put us against each other. If someone is invading my house, it only shows us that something is very wrong with the system and need to be fixed. Killing the invader won't fix anything.
@degasperis0509 You may say that now, but when the time comes we need to be prepared to defend ourselves from certain dangerous situations. During that situation the police and the authorities aren't going come to stop the mad man in time, so you have to do your best to defend your love ones from the mad man until help does arrive. Mindless violence is for cowards, but fighting against cowards is not. Brave men fight for the right reasons, even if they have to use violence as a final resort.
War is the highest form of ignorance. I dont blame people who want to join the army, because you are so deeply conditioned to do so.
America is said to be a christian country but I never met an american christian. Jesus said "Thou shall not kill". He did not say "Thou shall not kill unless you establish a government to declare a legal war, first."
You said: "innocent people have been killed in the Middle East. What do you expect? It's war" The innocent always get massacred and it happens in every war". It's so sad to hear that. I would love to see the day when the killing of innocent people will not be considered a regular event accepted by everyone. Armies should not exist at this point of the human history.
@degasperis0509 War is war. Death and destruction always happened in war since the beginning of the human race. Innocents will always end up dying and suffering due to the effects of war. It's completely unavoidable. I know this may sound harsh but that's reality for you.
@BunnyknightX It's very easy to accept these horrible events and do nothing. if our ancestors thought like you we would not have ended slavery or even have equal rights for women today. If you accept horrible things just because you think it's "unavoidable" I feel very sorry for you.
@degasperis0509 Hey, I'm just stating reality here. Sometimes we can't stop war and conflict. Peace is a temporary thing, which means that it won't last forever but only for a short period of time. History is full of the conflicts and struggles for humanity and it's our duty as a species to overcome the obstacles that we may face and survive long enough to create a new hope for humanity. As you can see, we need to accept the pains of reality and, at the same time, create a brighter future.
@degasperis0509 Dream all you want, sweetheart, but we all have to wake up and face the tough times that we facing right now. We can strive for peace but the road to achieve it is going to very bumpy. You need to get a grip on the TRUE reality and understand that sitting around and dreaming about wonderful things won't do squat until you make them into a reality by working hard with your blood, sweat, and tears. That my friend, keeps the human race surviving for the next generations to come.
@BunnyknightX Dream all you want, but we all have to wake up and face what is really important for humankind. We can't keep on inventing wars for absolutely no reason and kill children, women and elderly. Making war never brought peace and it never will. PEACE will bring PEACE. Simple like that. If we're incapable of stopping the killing of brothers and sisters for nothing, we're a horrible specie and we deserve to disappear. Face reality, dear. You're the one that is dreaming.
@degasperis0509 Didn't say that war and killing innocent people are good things but I see your point. What I'm saying is we need to be realistic point of view on the world around us and we must not allow our morals and emotions to cloud our rationality. I do agree that we need to bring peace to our world and siddle down our differences, but there are plenty of people in the world who don't think this way and want bloodshed. Keeping peace is not a easy task but it's most worth fighting for.
your first mistake was airforce and national guard, which IS NOT part of the Army!!
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You either take full responsibility for your action or you don't...or not. This, of course, does not mean going back to the old world..
Cries to hypocrisy is not argument.
I do not support 'The Troops' because I do not support their mission. "Support the Troops', as typically used, basically means support the war and honor their 'sacrifice', since to not support it would be to spiritually undermine 'The Troops'. I like a lot of people in the military, but do not support their profession.
sunzoo1 1 week ago
You either take full responsibility for your action or you don't...or not. This, of course, does not mean going back to the old world..
Cries to hypocrisy is not argument.
I do not support 'The Troops' because I do not support their mission. "Support the Troops', as typically used, basically means support the war and honor their 'sacrifice', since to not support it would be to spiritually undermine 'The Troops'. I like a lot of people in the military, but do not support their profession.
sunzoo1 1 week ago
To compare ordinary citizens to man raping sodomite soldiers and pretend they are equally culpable is smoke and mirrors simply meant to distract from the reality on the ground- there could be no war without soldiers
americansRscum 1 week ago
@americansRscum Aww, did you get some up the rear? Maybe if you just relax it won't hurt so much. :D
WinterXL 1 week ago
I can tell by the way u speak that u love the sound of your own jaws flapping ie ur a bloviating pseudo intellectual windbag trying to cloud the plain facts that americans are genocidal criminals with a lot of historical mumbojumbo and utter bs.
americansRscum 1 week ago
@xxxThePeachxxx Your first argument that the military is OURS is based on the invalid assumption that WE are the government and that WE make the decisions.
What I do agree with is the fact that the citizens are responsible whatever the government does as long as they give their support to the government. Because without the citizens, a government has no power.
Conclusion: We contribute to a system that we find immoral, yet we have no problem the reaping benefits from their immoral acts.
Sharangir 2 weeks ago
Great piece, this is the reason i still use youtube. One can get quite worn down by the mass of morons.
sundersart 2 weeks ago
You have a very good head over your shoulders!
Keep it up sis!
DrzeshanFarooqi 3 weeks ago
We're all dropped into the same meatgrinder mothafuckas.
spekonaspek 1 month ago
Great video!!! And thank you for doing your research.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 month ago
I want you all to come home now. We need you. Our government is out of control and our borders are wide open. I support the military. I do not support this illegal war. God bless that old Red White and Blue.. And say a little prayer tonight for the men who died for you.
RON PAUL 2012
lastpatriot4America 1 month ago
@lastpatriot4America they didn't die for you they died for the government and the power structure that gave them the orders. some
fuckamerica109 3 weeks ago
America is a big target for #1 being the world's only remaining superpower. When the USA is eclipsed by some other nation in power/influence, that nation will become the new punching bag. #2 the world is full of people who hate Jews, and the US is seen as a supporter of Israel, or a puppet of Israel, though they are not. # 3 envy. and a very very distant #4 legitimate grievances. Nobody's perfect. That said, America has done far more good than the British, Spanish or Roman Empires, USSR, etc.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
You're idiot :)
madmaxonliner 1 month ago
@madmaxonliner
*facepalm*
Hjernespreng 1 month ago
Its not fair to compare the military to prostitution, because, on the US case, the military is responsible for killing inocent people.
rodrigodet 1 month ago
smart words
ItsSandyCheeks 1 month ago
Trust me Peaches if you have served in iraq/afghanistan constantly at risk of getting blown to bits by islamic terrorists you would be supporting the troops, show a bit of compassion for those who put their lives on the line 24/7.
TheSchemer1 1 month ago
@TheSchemer1 How about we show "a bit of compassion" for all those inocent people that the troops kiled
rodrigodet 1 month ago
@rodrigodet You must think the troops are all horrible woman-raping, mean machine, insensitive, dalek people. Maybe when you serve in the front lines youll get a better understanding (not saying I have served btw).
TheSchemer1 1 month ago
@TheSchemer1 maybe she doesn't beLIEve it is her right to go into another country and try to impose her will. maybe she doesn't beLIEve she has the right to kill innocent people to push a political agenda. maybe U.S. troops Should Not be at risk, because they Should Not be over there. maybe you should have compassion for people living in a country that is Occupied by the U.S. military.
donHooligan 1 month ago
The military is not responsible to the public, but to an elite class of rulers. Our elections are undemocratic, and with a million civilians dead in Iraq one cannot justify the Untied States military nor the 40 million civilians it has killed since the end of World War II. Plus, arguing one point by making other points is a textbook logical fallacy.
IntellectualPopulist 1 month ago
@IntellectualPopulist
blablabla elite controls everything blablaba
Yet it is surprising then how incredibly important public support is for the military to be able to lead ANY wars.
Hjernespreng 1 month ago
so hot
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Was he actually American? Mikail doesn't seem like a down-home country fried All American kinda name.
Seems more Russian to me. Kinda funny he would be lecturing Americans on unjust wars and murdering civilians and whatnot, but hey. Just sayin'.
ObeyTheHypnoCake 1 month ago
you preach much and know little
MsReefmaster 1 month ago
I LOVE YOU!!
marlo161 1 month ago
Well said.
Thank you for your service to our country.
Dantithesis 1 month ago
It's the issue of respect I think most people have a problem with. Why should you be forced or expected to support or respect something that hasn't directly effected you? It isn't the soiders fought they have become caught up in something non of us knew would become so huge. If you support them, then support them coming home.
RedRoosterRoad 1 month ago
your awesome!!!
magicmewmew 2 months ago
With few exceptions, most people who serve a criminal institution, as our government is, are criminal accomplices. We do have the power or conscience not to participate in the murder of brown people overseas or oppression of our own people. There is no excuse and there is no honor and dignity risking our lives for our masters. Saying that no country has a right to exist is a cop out. We cannot help what happened in history but we do have the power to not support injustices being committed today.
JulesManson 2 months ago
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JulesManson 2 months ago
I think the short answer is, she and the rest of us humans, do what's best for us. We don't care more for anything else. It is not in our humanity to care for anything more than ourselves. Instincts are an ingrained evolutionary part of existence in order to keep us safe.
With that said, no citizen or service person should feel regret, only for enlisting. We should all regret that we allow those instincts to control us, even when we know what's right.
shabido1 2 months ago
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kdpflanders1 2 months ago
@kdpflanders1 Please tell me that your comments link to Facebook.
shabido1 2 months ago
@shabido1 Why do you ask ?
kdpflanders1 2 months ago
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'What is this clit tongue asshole business young man!?'
shabido1 2 months ago
@shabido1 No I dont do Facebook to much. The business is that I lust after this woman. Just wanted to express it. However crass.
kdpflanders1 2 months ago
@kdpflanders1 I agree, she is a hottie. But that is not why I am here. I am in love with her beautiful mind.
JulesManson 2 months ago
@kdpflanders1 OK cool. She is quite lovely, I can't argue with you there. Hit her up on her page. You don't know til you try.
shabido1 2 months ago
The US is a shithole.
DrDerpwerth 2 months ago
USA troops have been political pawns and have been lied to about benefits. USA will spend more trillions caring for the injured for decades. Cheney and Bush should be shackled to a post in the middle of Baghdad near a pile of throwing sized rocks.
snorkellisab 2 months ago
That's it! Joining a Canadian Nudist colony!
trixiefae 2 months ago
Right on xxxthepeachxx you are very articulate and I will watch all your video's.
MrBigfan007 2 months ago
The indians didn't own the land. So we didn't steal it from them. Indians lived a savage brutal lifestyle that we attempted to co-exist with, but found it necessary to wage war. Which is why I support the troops.
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@RandCliffLangley What do you define as ownership of land back then?
MaraJadeZX 2 months ago
Sorry but to say we are all responsbile for the actions of the military because we are all part of society requires you to actualy live in a democrasy.
And you don't, you live under the dictastorship of the businbess party. You have no choice or influence over what the military does.
So in joining the military, you are part of the problem.
srspower 2 months ago
No ! I will never support the troops and now one else would if they new the truth
WAKE UP to this nonsense PEACE NOW
1.5 million innocent civilians dead in Afghanistan/Iraq war ..The Americans have been fighting against peoples who have no military, no aircraft carriers, no air-force, you get what Im saying ! they have no technology in warfare all they have are a few road side bombs that wouldnt surprise me if they where put there by the very same organization that runs America
spellgrounds 2 months ago
@spellgrounds how many died as a direct result of the taliban?
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
@halflifeproductionz nowhere near as many as US troops and drones have killed. no where even close. sadam killed 5000 kurds and a handful of political opponents US troops have killed over a MILLION iraqis alone, nevermind the 400 000 plus afghanis killed, the taliban, from their inception, can only dream of killing a fraction of that number. over a million people in one country in modern warfare! 600 000 people were killed in the rwanda genocide, america has quadrupled that in Nam, iraq etc.
wabfunk 2 months ago
@wabfunk EPIC FAIL LOSER!! american's never killed a million in iraq, the only opinion poll that says 1 million is the unreliable opinion research business poll exaggerated for political soundbites.
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
@halflifeproductionz Yeah, I suppose half that would be more expectable to you right? You just don't get it do you einstein. Oh well. More power to you, have a nice life.
wabfunk 2 months ago
@wabfunk its actualy one tenth of what YOU THINK, you also fail to see the amount of deaths that have come as a result of islamic fundamentalism but i guess its easier to blame america.
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
@wabfunk
please provide more than one credible link to back up your claims
EmpireofC 2 months ago
Who the hell is Pat Condell? O_o
PlayboiX122 2 months ago
I'm a little confused. So we shouldn't support the war and instead of blaming soldiers, blame the government?
RedRoosterRoad 2 months ago
I actually had my opinion change a bit after watching this.. :)
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I feel you. The only reason I joined the Air Force not too long ago is because I had to drop out of college after two years because I was too poor to continue to afford it, and I had no life skills to do anything else. It's not patriotic, but whatever. I would have done prostitution, but where i'm from in the south male prostitutes aren't in high demand. I don't support the war but I support being homeless even less, and I really couldn't care less if someone else doesn't support my decision.
Snowgoon901 2 months ago
What a stinking cynical cunt you are.
topperheartramada 2 months ago
@topperheartramada and you are so good aren't you
Fly2Azeroth 2 months ago
@topperheartramada and you are so good aren't you
Fly2Azeroth 2 months ago
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@topperheartramada and you are so good aren't you
Fly2Azeroth 2 months ago
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@topperheartramada and you are so good aren't you?
Fly2Azeroth 2 months ago
Wow how old are you? I thought you were really young. =O
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God i hate people who join just to milk the military of benefits. You should only join if you really want to serve. Cuz all the other people just bitch and moan about how terrible it is.
TAYLORGANGARMY 2 months ago
i have to say I agree. My brother is in the Air Force and has been for only 4 years but he did not join to support the war he joined to do something with his life, do I agree with what his job entails sometimes,no, but for the most part he is in an office on a base here in the US working on a base newspaper so you know mostly he is doing something he could do outside of the military and is working on becoming a teacher. Do I support the war no but my brother would be worse off if not for the AF.
cherryblossom24able 2 months ago
I agree with you 100%.
Riotette 2 months ago
also, this chicks fucking hotter than the last time i saw this video... idk how that works lol
ott0Kitam 3 months ago
@Reynard13Fuchs btw, have you ever notice how many people "support the troops" once they get back home? you ever notice how many people got their hands out helping all these homeless jobless veterans... unfortunately for them, not too fucking many bro... people support them when it looks nice to others... otherwise theyre forgotten unfortunately... another tragic aspect of war i suppose... "heros" today are forgotten tomorrow
ott0Kitam 3 months ago
@ott0Kitam Yes, I have. I have personal experience with it because I am an OIF Veteran. A majority of those people that do help, are Vietnam vets that didn't get a welcome back. They got spit on, every one of them, no matter what their actual mission was while in the service. Compared to the total population in the US, it's not many, but compared to civilian volunteers to help vets, it's more than any other war.
Reynard13Fuchs 3 months ago
@Reynard13Fuchs if they were truly thinking for themselves, and not just mindless cannon fodder, they would see that they have much more in common with those poor people whose countries they demolish, than they do the men pulling the strings profitting off of all this needless suffering. but again, people are so hopelessly enslaved to their subjective ideologies, that murdering peaceful innocent people, is justified to them
btw, very intelligent reply back there. "say that to a soldier" smh
ott0Kitam 3 months ago
lol soldiers are mindless cannon fodder... perpetuating the subsidized violence of the state, to the benefit and profit of banksters, who actually own our benevolent guvmints...
so many people take so much pride saluting silly flags and singing ridiculous anthems believing theyre free... when theyre actually totally enslaved
ott0Kitam 3 months ago
@ott0Kitam The civilians being enslaved, that is an accurate assessment. But do not call soldiers "Mindless cannon fodder". Many go to college in there service time or immediately afterwards.
If you really had the gaul, you'd tell a Green Beret that they are a wimp, or tell an Airborne soldier that he couldn't tie his boots right, or say to a Petroleum Supply Specialist how to maintain a Gas Station. You won't have a good day if you do it.
Reynard13Fuchs 3 months ago
@Reynard13Fuchs youre right... theyre not mindless, theyre simply following orders eh... those zombies probably would have made their minds up themselves collectively, and invaded other countries with all of the battleships and f-13's that they own themselves... and all the depleted uranium in the shells theyve been lobbing all over the desert the last 20 years, they would have just done that too i suppose
ott0Kitam 3 months ago
@ott0Kitam Following orders is a weak defense, especially when US soldiers are given the ability to disobey unlawful orders. Orders like those given to soldiers to execute innocent civilians in Vietnam. The closest thing that a Soldier owns in the military are the boots on their feet. Everything else is issued, hand receipted, and recorded. Seriously, ask a soldiers how they feel about the Invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan. You'll be surprised at the answers.
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americans stoped Hitler from finishing his campaign against jews and brought some jews in the states as a humanitarian gesture where they grew as a tumor on a healthy body. An old saying states that a beast is a beast, no matter what and they are like weeds, take one out and 10 more will pop out. Somehow America deserves the misery for trying to be God and world police.
thelegionary1000 3 months ago
The world is indebted for all triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression.
-Thomas Jefferson
weatherkop 3 months ago
Comparing the military to prostitution is ridiculous. One is small time entrepreneurial fake love, the other is mega corporate real death, apples and grenades, couldn't be more different. You're in total denial.
educution 3 months ago
I like the way you put it, very intelligent, people get on youtube and run there mouth with no facts. keep them in line...im loving it!!!
morrismark65 3 months ago
great video
EverydayControversy 3 months ago
xxxthepeachxxx... Well, I am a Soldier in the U.S. Army, I am a Christian who believes every word of the Bible, I am a supporter of BOTH wars I have deployed in support of this decade, and I am a staunch Republican. So I'm sure we disagree on ALLOT of points... But I must say I am impressed, bravo to your tact, respect, and intelligence. If only we had more citizens as respectful of the fact that, while we live in an imperfect nation, we cannot generalize, because that is why we are imperfect
joshadair86 3 months ago
@joshadair86 Being a Christian and being a soldier are mutually exclusive. Im a national socialist and beleive that christianity is a curse on the white race and needs to be eradicated. 14:88 BLOOD AND HONOUR!
grimblebrumble17889 3 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889
shut up you joined the military to kill brown people you skinhead
worldworks 3 months ago
if your so damn unhappy with the current administration..then i have 1 word for you..VOTE..if you disagree with thier decisions do something about it.. But Blaming the Military..thats like beating the pig because he watched the fox eat your chickens.or is it easier to talk sh-t behind the screen...lol you are a Joke...and a sad little man..
GrayDarkflite 3 months ago
@GrayDarkflite Listen here DIMWIT. UR A STOOGE, U DO AS YOUR TOLD WITHOUT BOTHERING 2 FIND OUT WHY YOU'VE BEEN TOLD 2 DO IT. SCREW UR PATHETIC WAR STORIES FROM "THE ZONE". U WERE IN "THE ZONE" BCOS U COULD'NT FRIGGIN THINK FOR UR OWN DAMN SELF. I'VE NEVER SEEN MY FRIENDS HEAD SPRAYED ANYWHERE BCOS I CHOSE NOT TO & NEITHER DID THE PEOPLE THAT SENT U 2 "THE ZONE" BCOS THEY KNOW THEY CAN SEND DIMWITS LIKE U 2 DO IT 4 THEM WHILE THEY LIVE IT UP IN BIG HOUSES, FAST CARS & NICE CHICKS BACK HOME.
wabfunk 2 months ago
Wabfunk...are you living in the us..? is it here you sit at home and type your BS ..? must be nice to sit under the protection of your betters andYAAP like a little dog..saw your page...you HAVE got to be kidding with the communist crap...lol your an idiot..Good Day..
GrayDarkflite 3 months ago
Wabfunk...are you for real..LMAOOOOOOOOO you have to be f--king kidding..ive been trying to think of a retort but after seeing your page..your not worth my time..Im sorry that me and mine fought for you..maybe itd be better if you were just forced out to join those you feel more at home with..good luck...
GrayDarkflite 3 months ago
Please do not patronize me.. you have no idea what i lost..i doubt youve ever had to deal with personal loss..you can be as condescending as you like but till youve been under fire..you dont know what your talking about..
GrayDarkflite 3 months ago
Is it not funny that OBAMA stated that he was going to "GET US OUT OF THE WAR" but we are not able to get out of this war? yes granted we did wrong to the indians but get over it are we going to morn over the Indians I think that is what she is getting at. Granted yes we were in a unjust war that ended with the atomic bomb, you must take into consideration that we eneded a war that was coming to an atomic end lol how can anyone consider the enola gay as an evil if anyone it would be an stupidi
Bostonhockey98 3 months ago
No, you know what you sign up for dumb ass.
Bostonhockey98 3 months ago
Agree from a technically point ...... But without the troops other nations would roll over us without a second thought. And motives for joining vary, but that doesn't make a soldier any less dedicated and willing to fight and/or die for this country.
The real blame are the politicians. If their sons & daughters were forced to join, conflict would be thought out more carefully.
BTW ... Former Army & Navy ... 10 years.
LIVEFRMNYC 4 months ago
Agree completly with the overall message.
LinkMEP 4 months ago
Chastising a soldier is to focus on the symptoms of a problem. Petty, petty-minded.
Chastising a soldier's orders, and the entire attached process, is to focus on the problem itself.
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The only thing left to discuss is a need for an army at all.
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I'm betting +80% vote do NOT open Mexico borders, for instance.
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And even if the people chastising troops are in the 20%? Then Peach's point abides ie. "Shut your trap or get the fuck out, but I don't want to hear it from you." -loosely paraphased.
D33veeoss 4 months ago
haha, it sounded like you said "Hillary-ously" in place of 'hilariously'! I've been saying that too, ever since Hillary ran for president. Hey, I'm glad to hear you served in the military -- and I like what you say about it. I'm going into the Air Force soon ("hurry up and wait" starts before u even get in! lol), and I am really looking forward to it.
Narodnik47 4 months ago
Sorry I don't care about all the rhetoric spewed in this video. I still don't support the troops.
xxdiogenescynicxx 4 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx Cool story, they don't want your support. We're not out to "get" your support, only to expose how contradictory it is you trod on your freedoms while not supporting those who fight for it.
Mirovozzrenie100 4 months ago
@Mirovozzrenie100 You aren't supporting my freedoms by being in an illegal and immoral war. You are fighting for Israel,oil and industrialists. I suggest you read A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.
xxdiogenescynicxx 4 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx Like the soldiers have a choice, many people don't agree with the war, THE POINT these people are making is whether or not you support the war you need to support the men and women who have died and put their asses on the line so pusses like you could sit on your ass typing such bullshit on youtube. Without them we'd be goosestepping down our streets spewing anti-semitic hatespeech praising a man with a dirty sanchez and a comb-over. Now get outta here!
Mirovozzrenie100 4 months ago
@Mirovozzrenie100 Actually we wouldn't, because of Hitler's economic policies he was doomed to fail. Besides wallstreet and banks funded both sides of the war. Also, these soldiers did have a choice there was no conscription like their was in Vietnam. They knew that when they signed that contract they may have to kill civilians.
xxdiogenescynicxx 4 months ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx Yeah because it was in the contract parameters "Kill all civilians!" You really are an educated idiot aren't you? Wallstreet and banks fund everything in this country, so no shit they're funding the war, that's a given.. Just like they fund the Wells Fargo down the street.. Some people go in the military for nuclear engineering, work with computers, or go in as doctors. So no, not all soldiers do as you say, once again proving your ignorance in full.
Mirovozzrenie100 4 months ago
troops are hired killers. its one thing to join an army that protects a border from invaders. but to join an army that travels to another country in order to kill, is wrong.
most existing americans had no say to what happened to the indians, but i bet if nobody joined that army, there could have been peace and less blood shed.
those of us americans that dont agree with the u.s. policies & decisions to go to kill, can not just denounce our citizenship with such ease, thanks to expatriation.
adrewk 4 months ago
As a former servicemember, I couldn't have put it better myself. Thumbs up.
SuperDESTROYER71 4 months ago
@BoycottTheSettlers You're an idiot. Such an idiot, in fact, that I couldn't even pay attention to the content of this video. I'm sorry random Youtube lady in the little aesthetically pleasing box above this comment, for I still haven't watched your video. Some moron distracted me.
WillBrendon 4 months ago
Youre getting sympathy for people in the military mixed up with support. I do not support them, but yeah I pity them.
LouisPlume 4 months ago
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707kang 4 months ago
@LouisPlume They don't need your pity, you fucking hippie.
707kang 4 months ago
@707kang Hippy, thats funny. Im so not a hippy, I hate hippies, and so there go, you get my sympathy to.
LouisPlume 4 months ago
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@LouisPlume Thanks but no thanks, I don't need your sympathy.. you tree loving bisexual.
707kang 4 months ago
Nice one love. So much sense it made my head hurt. In a good way.
Stu1027 4 months ago
Did this bitch, just compare serving your country... to prostitution?... yea.. not going to bother watching this any further.
707kang 4 months ago
You can't compare giving blow jobs to killing. Those 2 aren't even remotely similar.
mickeypopa 4 months ago
It isn't "our" military. It's Israel's military.
DollaBiIIz 4 months ago
Well said.
Although I'm not American, I think that everyone needs to find a way to reconcile themselves to the past, present and in all likelihood future evils of their government, wherever they live. For that matter, not just our own government but the actions of our entire species if we are to be part of the human race.
I think the best healthiest response is a comittment to make the future better and to try and avoid the mistakes of our past.
centuryten 4 months ago
How did i unsubscribe to Peach?!?! This is madness!! ... Please forgive me. :( -subs back-
PeeingRainbows 5 months ago
I was kicked out of the USAF in 1993 for "underage drinking." All my buddies stationed in Germany drank too, but I had the good fortune to be stationed stateside, in a "free" country!
bradjbourgeois73 5 months ago
Also i subscribed to you peach. (:
Bentompvp 5 months ago
Booyaa! haha that was a very thought provoking video.
putthisonmytab 5 months ago
killing in war is not murder unless the action violates the law of land warfare.
kenifer8 5 months ago
Good video. Excellent answers. It is obvious from the comments. That people on both sides don't fully understand the conflicts. And there isn't room here to explain.
Iraq maybe unjust, but keep in mind we were initially mislead.
Afghanistan. Well some idiots flew planes into sky scrapers. That was asking for the US to open a can of woopass. Get the F over that.
Don't support the troops if you don't want to. Don't spit on them either or I'll open my own can.
Dassin Ordwell USAF Ret.
xdassinx 5 months ago
@xdassinx
Iraq maybe unjust? it was unjust, no maybe about it. Miss lead i can agree with, but the American public voted those retards in, keep that in mind sir.
And how did Afghanistan cause 9/11? Their government (Taliban) supported terrorists ( keep in mind Americans ally Pakistan supports terrorists) they did not commit the acts of 9/11. Well i know what your thinking, Osama bin laden was in Afghanistan , he is the one who attacked the twin towers. Hmm... well according to the FBI
Bentompvp 5 months ago
@xdassinx
he was not 'Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.' So does that make Afghanistan an unjust war as well? Invading a sovereign country without cause?. By the way, i support the Afghanistan War, i'm just not a ignorant nationalist zombie
Bentompvp 5 months ago
@Bentompvp Glad to hear you're not a zombie. Did you have a point with the rest of that? You kind of wondered around a bit.
xdassinx 5 months ago
@xdassinx
Point 1: Iraq was a unjust war, there is no maybe about it.
Point 2: The Afghanistan government were not the producers of 9/11, therefore making that an unjust war. (as i said, they did support terrorism. But so does Pakistan and the US sends billions on rollers to them every year, does that mean the US public supports terrorism? since its payed for with your tax dollars)
Point 3: You were mislead about the Iraq war by the government YOUR PUBLIC elected
Point 4: All of the above
Bentompvp 5 months ago
@Bentompvp 1. Saddam Hussein bears a HUGE amount of responsibility for that war. He had over a decade and 3 Presidents to dodge that bullet.
2. The Afghanistan government under the Taliban were given an opportunity to hand Bin Laden over. watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI
3. Repeating back what I said, adding in some all CAP words. Doesn't give you any extra creditability, it only takes from it. Especially considering your own government. You know, the one YOUR PUBLIC elected has sent troops to both wars.
xdassinx 5 months ago
@xdassinx
1. That is hardly an argument.. lol. The Iraq war was unjustified period. You have given no evidence of it being a just war.
2. So you invaded Afghanistan because they did not hand over bin laden? And your saying the reason the US did that was in response of 9/11? When a US government agency (FBI) listed him as not committing this act? 'In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.' try doing as i said and look that up.
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Bentompvp 5 months ago
@Bentompvp 1. Iraq was inevitable and preventable. Here's your wake up call. There is no such thing as a just war. You wait for the Jedi of the Old Republic to come to rescue and you end up fucked. I gave evidence, you stated opinion with the word "period" at the end. Get the fuck over yourself.
2. The Alamo, The Maine, Pearl Harbor. The US needs a warning label. "infamous attacks may cause the natives to go insane and ruin everything you know and love". Get real and grow up.
xdassinx 5 months ago
@xdassinx
3. Tell me this, how do i need creditability about a government being elected in country whose political system is democracy?. Its a fact that your public elected the Bush administration into power. I merely put caps to express the significances of the words. Ahh sir, but you see the difference between me and you?
I disagree with my governments actions to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, and yes the public of my country did elect them in, but the public opposed the actions they took
Bentompvp 5 months ago
@xdassinx well said!
txm4gunnut 5 months ago
A side note..seeing these people slam the military makes me sick..you folks have the rights to say what you think because of those of us who have served...we put our lives on the line while YOU sat at home and did nothing...Have you been shot at..? Have you made plans with your BEST Friend for his wedding...and watched while he was chewed apart by small arms fire..?you ungrateful as-holes make me sick
GrayDarkflite 5 months ago
@GrayDarkflite "we put our lives on the line while YOU sat at home and did nothing" u put ur life on the line 1)where? - on the other side globe 2)why? - to kill and maim women and children that don't speak and talk like you because someone who pays u told u 2.
There's nothing wrong with joining the army 2 protect ur boarders or learn&earn a living. But your conscience should kick in somewhere between killing the 1st and the millionth person on the otherside of the world 4 a paycheque.
wabfunk 5 months ago
@GrayDarkflite Yes, we get it, 3000+ innocent people DIED on one sad day on 9/11. Isn't 10 long years, 400 000 lives in afghanistan, well over a millon lives in Iraq enough justification for the events on the fateful day. Ask urselves ?'s - "HANG ON, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE", "I'M KILLING WHOLE CULTURES AND GENERATIONS HERE", "THIS IS OVER KILL", "IS THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA WORTH IT", "WHO AM I REALLY FIGHTING FOR - OR AGAINST". "WHY DO I KEEP COMING BACK", "WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG"
wabfunk 5 months ago
@GrayDarkflite Yes, we get it, 3000+ innocent people DIED on one sad day in '01. Isn't 10 long years, 400 000 lives in afghanistan, well over a million lives in Iraq enough justification for the events on the fateful day. Ask urselves ?'s - "HANG ON, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE", "I'M KILLING WHOLE CULTURES AND GENERATIONS HERE", "THIS IS OVER KILL", "IS THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA WORTH IT", "WHO AM I REALLY FIGHTING FOR - OR AGAINST". "WHY DO I KEEP COMING BACK", "WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG"
wabfunk 5 months ago
@wabfunk Real easy to say while your sittin at home drinking your Latte.. ive never killed a woman or child...or an unarmed man for that matter..only shows your ignorance...this is pointless..you and i will never agree to disagree..but i hope with all my heart..that someday..when the sh-t hits the fan...youll have nowhere to turn...take it up with your communist Brothers...im sure theyll help..
GrayDarkflite 3 months ago
Damn Woman..you are 1 of the most well spoken,intelligent people ive ever heard...my hats off to you...12 yrs in the military ,a life time as a modern witch...ive caught loads of bs for my choices thus far...keep em coming...A huge Fan..G
GrayDarkflite 5 months ago
Reminds me a bit of Sartre. Nobody's innocent everybody's free, because they never really have to do something. In a really tight spot you'd have the possibility of suicide to avoid murdering others. And the comparison between prostitutes and soldiers is very interesting.
soerenboeren 5 months ago
The big difference is that you can not choose the country you were born in, or weter or not you want to pay taxes. Joining the army on the other hand, is a choice you made knowing what this organization stands for. So that means that the guilt by association argument is flawed. Just on a side note, I'm extremely offended by you, equating the army to a prostitute, the prostitute has some integrity.
freundebattailich 5 months ago
Sweet girl, I like her, but her justification is warrantless and poor - to say the least. Whether she likes it or not, she was a hop, skip and jump away from being part of the problem. The fact remains. Denigrating individual responsibility to socio-economic circumstance does not excuse nor nullify the immorality of mass death, destruction and theft thousands of miles away from your own boarders.
wabfunk 5 months ago
@wabfunk Soldiers are paid to protect boarders, not invade. I'm sick and tired of people using the "casualties of war" excuse to dehumanise what war really is. This is a clip full of nothing but excuses in my view. Signing a contract that gives you a government issued uniform, free education and a paycheque does not somehow, unquestionably devoid ANYONE from taking the LIFE of another.
wabfunk 5 months ago
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wabfunk 5 months ago
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@wabfunk All that "serve my country" nonsense is just that, nonsense. The real truth is - wars are NEVER ultimately won by invaders, they are always won by the general public of the invaded nation through conscription of everyday people who are prepared to defend their nation and identity, people who generally go back to everyday productive life once a war is over NOT full-time serving soldiers. Look at any war in history and you'll find without doubt that this is the case.
wabfunk 5 months ago
@wabfunk All humans have the benefit of conscience - and that quality should never be put up fro sale …. and sell it, is what people that become soldiers do.
wabfunk 5 months ago
Dear Peach,
First off let me apolagize for my english. That having been said I would like to comment on your video.
In Holland and I believe in many parts of Europe saying you are just a part of the machine isnt an excuse.A soldier is responsible for their own judgement, moral and ethically, and cannot hide behind "I just followed orders. If the society you live in wages a controversial war then you should decide for yourself if joining said army/airforce is ok.
CriticalCase 5 months ago
@xxxPeachxxx
You also made a few comparisons between the army and other institutions. But your analogies are very crooked. The main goal of the catholic church isnt child molestation, the main goal of the army is fighting. Every organisation will have its immoralities. But with the USA-army the question is, is the way is tries to reach its objectives not immoral in itself.
Dont get me wrong, im not talking about waging war but the reasons for fighting the wars in afghanistan and iraq.
CriticalCase 5 months ago
@xxxThePeachxxx
Also not being deployed does not free you from your responsibilities. Because you stayed "at home" someone else was able to go overseas. So in my opinion you havent answered the question yet. Althoug the question was very poorly asked...
It would have been better to ask, do you feel the wars in iraq and afghanistan were just and if not, how does it feel to have been part of that machine?
CriticalCase 5 months ago
You try to justify your point of view by spreading the fear, and you know that. Peace.
degasperis0509 5 months ago
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@degasperis0509 You try to justify your point of view by twisting my words to make me look like the bad guy in this conversation. Honestly, I don't you are a bad guy either. All I wanted to have a friendly debate with you, but I guess since you keep falsely accusing me of speading fear and advocating mindless war and violence, I think it's better stop right here before it gets ugly. Good day, sir.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago
@BunnyknightX Oops! Correction: Honestly, I don't 'think' you are a bad guy, either.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago
How about stop spending time and effort with stupid hypothetical situations that will never happen? How about educate our children to live without fear and built a better and just society? How about live in real world instead of living in "Fearland"? How about deal with real problems instead of inventing the enemy?
degasperis0509 5 months ago
@degasperis0509 I didn't say we should live in fear and paranoia. All I said was that we need to be ready for any problem that we may face and find a proper solution to that paritcular problem. There's a difference. If you had read my comment closely enough, what I'm saying is that we cannot always depend on higher ups to protect us 24/7, and sometimes we have to do what is right into our own hands. Brave men are people who are willing to do the right thing when no one else is. That is all.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago
Canada also interned Japanese citizens duringn WW2. I'm a staunch patriot, but I am also disgusted by this event.
TechnicallyTechnical 5 months ago
Bunny, I understand your point of view but what seems reality for you is not reality for me. There are people who want peace and there are people who want war, I agree. But if you kill a person because this person killed another person, you're doing exactly the same thing, you're killing. Can't you see that this cycle will never end? If you want peace, join the ones who help others by ending hungry, poverty and social injustice. There is no need for taking the life of anyone.
degasperis0509 5 months ago
@degasperis0509 Sometimes we need to use violence to stop violence. For example, a mad man invades your house and threatens you and your family with a knife. The man has a lot of drugs in his system to a point that he can't really be reasoned with. At this moment, you and your family are terrified. In your mind, what would you do in this situation: Fight to protect your family, run away for safety, or reason with the man in hopes that he will leave? I bet you would choose the first option.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago
@BunnyknightX Violence should never be used under any circumstance. I will not live my life in fear. Violence is for cowards. Brave men don't need weapons. Brave men work for change and don't listen to the fear machine that insists in put us against each other. If someone is invading my house, it only shows us that something is very wrong with the system and need to be fixed. Killing the invader won't fix anything.
degasperis0509 5 months ago
@degasperis0509 You may say that now, but when the time comes we need to be prepared to defend ourselves from certain dangerous situations. During that situation the police and the authorities aren't going come to stop the mad man in time, so you have to do your best to defend your love ones from the mad man until help does arrive. Mindless violence is for cowards, but fighting against cowards is not. Brave men fight for the right reasons, even if they have to use violence as a final resort.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago
War is the highest form of ignorance. I dont blame people who want to join the army, because you are so deeply conditioned to do so.
America is said to be a christian country but I never met an american christian. Jesus said "Thou shall not kill". He did not say "Thou shall not kill unless you establish a government to declare a legal war, first."
ztawiz 5 months ago
You said: "innocent people have been killed in the Middle East. What do you expect? It's war" The innocent always get massacred and it happens in every war". It's so sad to hear that. I would love to see the day when the killing of innocent people will not be considered a regular event accepted by everyone. Armies should not exist at this point of the human history.
degasperis0509 5 months ago
@degasperis0509 War is war. Death and destruction always happened in war since the beginning of the human race. Innocents will always end up dying and suffering due to the effects of war. It's completely unavoidable. I know this may sound harsh but that's reality for you.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago
@BunnyknightX It's very easy to accept these horrible events and do nothing. if our ancestors thought like you we would not have ended slavery or even have equal rights for women today. If you accept horrible things just because you think it's "unavoidable" I feel very sorry for you.
degasperis0509 5 months ago
@degasperis0509 Hey, I'm just stating reality here. Sometimes we can't stop war and conflict. Peace is a temporary thing, which means that it won't last forever but only for a short period of time. History is full of the conflicts and struggles for humanity and it's our duty as a species to overcome the obstacles that we may face and survive long enough to create a new hope for humanity. As you can see, we need to accept the pains of reality and, at the same time, create a brighter future.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago
@BunnyknightX In my reality, war is a temporary thing, which means it won't last forever but only for a short period of time.
degasperis0509 5 months ago
@degasperis0509 Dream all you want, sweetheart, but we all have to wake up and face the tough times that we facing right now. We can strive for peace but the road to achieve it is going to very bumpy. You need to get a grip on the TRUE reality and understand that sitting around and dreaming about wonderful things won't do squat until you make them into a reality by working hard with your blood, sweat, and tears. That my friend, keeps the human race surviving for the next generations to come.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago
@BunnyknightX Dream all you want, but we all have to wake up and face what is really important for humankind. We can't keep on inventing wars for absolutely no reason and kill children, women and elderly. Making war never brought peace and it never will. PEACE will bring PEACE. Simple like that. If we're incapable of stopping the killing of brothers and sisters for nothing, we're a horrible specie and we deserve to disappear. Face reality, dear. You're the one that is dreaming.
degasperis0509 5 months ago
@degasperis0509 Didn't say that war and killing innocent people are good things but I see your point. What I'm saying is we need to be realistic point of view on the world around us and we must not allow our morals and emotions to cloud our rationality. I do agree that we need to bring peace to our world and siddle down our differences, but there are plenty of people in the world who don't think this way and want bloodshed. Keeping peace is not a easy task but it's most worth fighting for.
BunnyknightX 5 months ago