by the way thats a beautiful HHO cell! eventually you might try finding some 316L stainless, its hard to find at Lowes or home Depot, but I did its used as back splashes over by the washers and dryers, comes in like a 4x4 pice. I dont know how much iron it has in it of if it is high grade 316L, one test you can do it put a strong magnet to it, if it wont stick thats good!
ok but, I havent ever really built a real HHO Cell only crazy experiments, it was back in 2004, I think and it was with a 2 letter soda bottel, I just poked two small holes in the top, for the copper wire to go threw, and siliconed it air tight, all I had to work with was just like you except plates made of Alm. it was some old wind chimes, I filled up the bottel just before were I twisted the copper wire in both tubes, all I added to the tap water was sodium cloride(only real salt)!
I tried with little sucess hooking the wires into a light dimmer switch, eather I didnt hook it up right or that thing drew amps like crazy! cause as I pluged in the makeshift cord I wired it to, the thing acted like it was full blast, even when the dimmer switch all the way down before it was in the off possision so, I got nervous and quickly turned the thing off. I finally got the courage to let it just run and see what might happen, so thats what happen, guess what the water started looking
like soggy white bread! I dont remember seeing any corrosion, but dont take my word for it!, it was along time ago, and back then I smoked alot, Iam not proud of it but its true! So everything Iam telling ya could just be a crazy maradge! Kids please experiment with science and not Drugs, really not a good idea! O I do remember one last thing alot of bubbles, but without the proper modifications its inifecant and makes alot of Heat...hope this helps its as good as I can do right now! please
fill free to e-mail me anytime! I could use your help and looks like I could give you a few pointers! I want to see that HHO machine blast out enough clean gas to make your car a mean, Green, 100% HHO machine, gasoline cost too much and it stinks, I would know...LOL
one more thing, if you do this I recoment making a mold to pore the liquid plastic in, to cover the connected area, also be sure to have the connections on bottom and top start at one end with a wire and another wire at the othere end, so two wire connections for the connected +'s at top and two on bottom for -, also remember by putting them at oppisite corners this allows better flow! A/c allows I believe the alluminum to not corrode, at least thats what I notices, its the pot hydroxide!
you also can try this, by connecting your plates +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ with no nutrals this works great also, but dont connect just at the top of the plates(fully energize) , you want to connect all the +'s at one corner with copper connections, a long copper bolt works great, and all the -'s at oppisit corner at the bottom of plates, Important note you must seal those connections, I recomend a liquid plastic, you can get it at hobby lobby, this will pertect it from corroding, hope and pray this helps
I got to thinking about what I wrote you, and I had to come back and tell you I am sorry!!!, I gave you some wrong info... if you connect your plates like that sure it will work OK or one might say Good, ya true but I got to thinking and I dont believe that thats the best configuration! energy moves from + to - right, maybe, thats what weve been tought. so if that is true then wouldnt each - on both sides of the + compete with each other for the energy from the +. I dont want to give it away
cause I just wanted to tease you, I could be dead wrong with what I came up with! tell you what you e-mail me and I will e-mail you with what I came up with! Please challenge me to find out something! Look forward to hearing back from you! I hope you dont wait until I put something on You tube before you want to talk! By the way really good to meet you*** HHOEnergy***
I might try distilled water with a few tsps of just salt (sodium chloride) in place of the pot hydroxide, and use a/c, but cotrol the amount of a/c to your cell, you will notice sodium particulites but dont be alarmed because I belieave thats a desired effect (my therory is it will become a perminate electrolyte, you will also notice alittle clorine gas but that will stop, I tried this and got amazing results, please email me I have more tips!Thanks
There must be a awesome electrolyte out there one that wont break down, and escape over time? I will build something and hopefully then well talk!
Could use your help before I build one, you know just get some feed back and your input on some ideas I have!!! I figure if all us HHO guys and galls help each other, only good would come from it, that together we can come up with a supper HHO machine that was very effecant and could power everything that now uses fossil fuels!
koh or naoh will disolve the aluminum and create H2 without power. with power the process will produce even more before it desolves..zinc will work too.
as a welder i dont understand all that these guys are talking about but i do know that alluminum corroding in a sealed case give off gasses that will short out your brain as i personaly experienced be carefull just stick with stainless still be carefull it produces ozone that care cook your noodle to
So is Sodium Hydroxide. Either one is Caustic, but it's better than baking soda. Besides the rule is don't touch the solution since it is caustic. If you have a solid design you will never touch the solution.
Well in that case its easier to just use very cheap hydrogen chloride and old aluminum cans, if all you want to do is produce hydrogen gas. I'm working on a viable system of liberateing Hydrogen from cooking oils and captureing the expelled CO2 by airiateing a strong solution of NaOH to produce Sodium Carbonate. it's an idea.
Oh I'm not using Aluminum plates anymore. I tried it with aluminum because I have a ton of it. I am now using Stainless Steel 316L. Good luck to you with your chemistry.
Where u get the potassium hydroxide? where sold/used for? if correct, sodium hydroxide is drain cleaner & in liquid form, oven cleaner but what else? Does anyone actually know how pure the drain cleaner is or if one brand is better because of this? I could look into the contents when i get time, so if anyone has had on hand experience - let me know.
HHOenergy, what else have u used as electrolyte? How long did take 2 eat thru the alumn? all or only -/+? have u used SS with KOH or NaOH? result?
aluminum oxide molecules on the surface of the aluminum itself will create some protection on one side of the system. however, they will migrate into the solution and deposit onto the cathode. The anode will be consumed. however you can reverse the polarity with constant current to redeposit it to the other electrode.
Hey man, you have an exothermic redox reaction, only your ions are shredding the electrons from the Al.->H2 (liberating Hydrogen)
Be very careful with strong bases and Al.
This atomic reaction will continue with impressive force until a container 10X that thickness is easily ripped appart! XO
Also of which, whenever you have matter moving across mater.. Free Electrons are swept up in mass numbers.. and BOOM!!! ie.static from clothing,ect whichis usually NEVER less than 8,000 Volts! *XD Hoorah
Yeah, aluminum oxide and hydrogen gas are being formed. Hydrogen gas, just like what he wants to form. It will be even less reactive because it doesn't have a stoichiometric ratio with oxygen coming out of solution and MUCH less is being formed here. The reaction would proceed if the Al2O3 didn't cover the aluminum and hinder/stop the reaction completely. IF static electricity were to hit the H2 gas inside, which is almost ALL on the plates under water, it may crack or chip it. hoorah
Stoichiometry (sometimes called reaction Stoichiometry to distinguish it from composition Stoichiometry) is the calculation of quantitative (measurable) relationships of the reactants and products in a balanced chemical reaction. Of which, can be used to calculate quantities such as the amount of products-->(H+H+O+AlO2)
that can be produced with the given reactants-->(H2O+KOH+Al ect..)
and percent yield. Thus an ideal Stoichiometric ratio.. with "Much" being formed here.
You can try white distilled vinegar for your electrolyte but the aluminium is still going to oxidize but it may last for awhile before it is eaten up in the process of electrolysis. But it sounds to me that SmartScarecrow is telling you right as I have used aluminium cans and creek water which had alot of iron in it and got pretty good results but it didn't last long. And you have to flush it out alot as well otherwise it just shorts out your cells, if you arrange it in the usual plate system.
It doesn't really matter what electrolyte you use. The aluminum is going to get consumed (converted) into aluminum oxide as you produce more and more oxygen.
As long as you have a plentiful supply of aluminum, you should be ok.
The other down side is that you will be producing hydrogen only. Most of the oxygen will not be leaving the tank.
It will still burn, but not with the same big bang that you may see in other videos.
You may be able to reduce the oxidation of your plates this way, but I think that the aluminum will still be consumed (converted) into Aluminum Oxide regardless of how you split out the Oxygen from the water molecule.
Eventually they will need to be replaced.
I am not not necessarily saying this is a bad thing as long as you plan for it.
I forgot to mention that anytime that the Oxygen is being consumed making some sort of oxidized material, it is not being released as a gas.
For example: Aluminum Oxide, Copper Oxide, Iron Oxide (rust), etc.
So the gas you would be producing in a condition similar to this would be something on the order of 8 to 10 parts Hydrogen to 1 part Oxygen instead of the more "ideal" 2 parts Hydrogen and 1 part Oxygen.
your aluminum will soon be mush ... this is a fairly violent chemical reaction between the potassium hydroxide and the aluminum ... it is releasing hydrogen but there is not much of a way to control the reaction ... the aluminum is consumed in the reaction as is the potassium hydroxide ... its like putting iron into nitric acid ... this is dangerous as hell to do if you have a really strong solution of potassium hydroxide ... reaction can get out of control fast and make much heat ... BOOOOM !!!
koh or naoh are highly reactive elements they oxidesis the matel aluminium and releses hydrogen in atmosphere
Mr71seventyone1 1 year ago
its corroding the aluminum, it is the worse thing to put KOH or NaOH with aluminum. Ever heard of these lye bombs?
mV33rs 1 year ago
solo que me gusto la figura pero el potacioum de hydroxide es peligroso para experimento no lo recomiendo que lo uses ,...
cancelar123 1 year ago
by the way thats a beautiful HHO cell! eventually you might try finding some 316L stainless, its hard to find at Lowes or home Depot, but I did its used as back splashes over by the washers and dryers, comes in like a 4x4 pice. I dont know how much iron it has in it of if it is high grade 316L, one test you can do it put a strong magnet to it, if it wont stick thats good!
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
Post your results on youtube and we'll talk.
HHOenergy 2 years ago
ok but, I havent ever really built a real HHO Cell only crazy experiments, it was back in 2004, I think and it was with a 2 letter soda bottel, I just poked two small holes in the top, for the copper wire to go threw, and siliconed it air tight, all I had to work with was just like you except plates made of Alm. it was some old wind chimes, I filled up the bottel just before were I twisted the copper wire in both tubes, all I added to the tap water was sodium cloride(only real salt)!
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
I tried with little sucess hooking the wires into a light dimmer switch, eather I didnt hook it up right or that thing drew amps like crazy! cause as I pluged in the makeshift cord I wired it to, the thing acted like it was full blast, even when the dimmer switch all the way down before it was in the off possision so, I got nervous and quickly turned the thing off. I finally got the courage to let it just run and see what might happen, so thats what happen, guess what the water started looking
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
like soggy white bread! I dont remember seeing any corrosion, but dont take my word for it!, it was along time ago, and back then I smoked alot, Iam not proud of it but its true! So everything Iam telling ya could just be a crazy maradge! Kids please experiment with science and not Drugs, really not a good idea! O I do remember one last thing alot of bubbles, but without the proper modifications its inifecant and makes alot of Heat...hope this helps its as good as I can do right now! please
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
fill free to e-mail me anytime! I could use your help and looks like I could give you a few pointers! I want to see that HHO machine blast out enough clean gas to make your car a mean, Green, 100% HHO machine, gasoline cost too much and it stinks, I would know...LOL
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
one more thing, if you do this I recoment making a mold to pore the liquid plastic in, to cover the connected area, also be sure to have the connections on bottom and top start at one end with a wire and another wire at the othere end, so two wire connections for the connected +'s at top and two on bottom for -, also remember by putting them at oppisite corners this allows better flow! A/c allows I believe the alluminum to not corrode, at least thats what I notices, its the pot hydroxide!
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
you also can try this, by connecting your plates +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ with no nutrals this works great also, but dont connect just at the top of the plates(fully energize) , you want to connect all the +'s at one corner with copper connections, a long copper bolt works great, and all the -'s at oppisit corner at the bottom of plates, Important note you must seal those connections, I recomend a liquid plastic, you can get it at hobby lobby, this will pertect it from corroding, hope and pray this helps
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
I got to thinking about what I wrote you, and I had to come back and tell you I am sorry!!!, I gave you some wrong info... if you connect your plates like that sure it will work OK or one might say Good, ya true but I got to thinking and I dont believe that thats the best configuration! energy moves from + to - right, maybe, thats what weve been tought. so if that is true then wouldnt each - on both sides of the + compete with each other for the energy from the +. I dont want to give it away
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
cause I just wanted to tease you, I could be dead wrong with what I came up with! tell you what you e-mail me and I will e-mail you with what I came up with! Please challenge me to find out something! Look forward to hearing back from you! I hope you dont wait until I put something on You tube before you want to talk! By the way really good to meet you*** HHOEnergy***
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
I might try distilled water with a few tsps of just salt (sodium chloride) in place of the pot hydroxide, and use a/c, but cotrol the amount of a/c to your cell, you will notice sodium particulites but dont be alarmed because I belieave thats a desired effect (my therory is it will become a perminate electrolyte, you will also notice alittle clorine gas but that will stop, I tried this and got amazing results, please email me I have more tips!Thanks
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
There must be a awesome electrolyte out there one that wont break down, and escape over time? I will build something and hopefully then well talk!
Could use your help before I build one, you know just get some feed back and your input on some ideas I have!!! I figure if all us HHO guys and galls help each other, only good would come from it, that together we can come up with a supper HHO machine that was very effecant and could power everything that now uses fossil fuels!
GBH2o4u 2 years ago
koh or naoh will disolve the aluminum and create H2 without power. with power the process will produce even more before it desolves..zinc will work too.
maybe less expensive.
josephdupont 2 years ago
as a welder i dont understand all that these guys are talking about but i do know that alluminum corroding in a sealed case give off gasses that will short out your brain as i personaly experienced be carefull just stick with stainless still be carefull it produces ozone that care cook your noodle to
jassmandidgeridoo 2 years ago
LoL
AdultoysUSA 2 years ago
Potassium hydroxide Is EXTREMELY Caustic. I would not use it for an electrolyte.!!!
VoiceO1 2 years ago
So is Sodium Hydroxide. Either one is Caustic, but it's better than baking soda. Besides the rule is don't touch the solution since it is caustic. If you have a solid design you will never touch the solution.
HHOenergy 2 years ago
Well in that case its easier to just use very cheap hydrogen chloride and old aluminum cans, if all you want to do is produce hydrogen gas. I'm working on a viable system of liberateing Hydrogen from cooking oils and captureing the expelled CO2 by airiateing a strong solution of NaOH to produce Sodium Carbonate. it's an idea.
VoiceO1 2 years ago
Oh I'm not using Aluminum plates anymore. I tried it with aluminum because I have a ton of it. I am now using Stainless Steel 316L. Good luck to you with your chemistry.
HHOenergy 2 years ago
Where u get the potassium hydroxide? where sold/used for? if correct, sodium hydroxide is drain cleaner & in liquid form, oven cleaner but what else? Does anyone actually know how pure the drain cleaner is or if one brand is better because of this? I could look into the contents when i get time, so if anyone has had on hand experience - let me know.
HHOenergy, what else have u used as electrolyte? How long did take 2 eat thru the alumn? all or only -/+? have u used SS with KOH or NaOH? result?
AdultoysUSA 2 years ago
@VoiceO1 its the bestone to use.. sorry
Me102288 1 year ago
aluminum oxide molecules on the surface of the aluminum itself will create some protection on one side of the system. however, they will migrate into the solution and deposit onto the cathode. The anode will be consumed. however you can reverse the polarity with constant current to redeposit it to the other electrode.
VoiceO1 2 years ago
Hey man, you have an exothermic redox reaction, only your ions are shredding the electrons from the Al.->H2 (liberating Hydrogen)
Be very careful with strong bases and Al.
This atomic reaction will continue with impressive force until a container 10X that thickness is easily ripped appart! XO
Also of which, whenever you have matter moving across mater.. Free Electrons are swept up in mass numbers.. and BOOM!!! ie.static from clothing,ect whichis usually NEVER less than 8,000 Volts! *XD Hoorah
MajorUtah 3 years ago
Yeah, aluminum oxide and hydrogen gas are being formed. Hydrogen gas, just like what he wants to form. It will be even less reactive because it doesn't have a stoichiometric ratio with oxygen coming out of solution and MUCH less is being formed here. The reaction would proceed if the Al2O3 didn't cover the aluminum and hinder/stop the reaction completely. IF static electricity were to hit the H2 gas inside, which is almost ALL on the plates under water, it may crack or chip it. hoorah
RobTheChief 3 years ago
Thanks guys.
HHOenergy 2 years ago
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MajorUtah 2 years ago
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Rob,
Stoichiometry (sometimes called reaction Stoichiometry to distinguish it from composition Stoichiometry) is the calculation of quantitative (measurable) relationships of the reactants and products in a balanced chemical reaction. Of which, can be used to calculate quantities such as the amount of products-->(H+H+O+AlO2)
that can be produced with the given reactants-->(H2O+KOH+Al ect..)
and percent yield. Thus an ideal Stoichiometric ratio.. with "Much" being formed here.
Hoorah (*Xy'
MajorUtah 2 years ago
Without the Cell being plugged in you have a type of self charging Capacitor.
kosh123 3 years ago
You can try white distilled vinegar for your electrolyte but the aluminium is still going to oxidize but it may last for awhile before it is eaten up in the process of electrolysis. But it sounds to me that SmartScarecrow is telling you right as I have used aluminium cans and creek water which had alot of iron in it and got pretty good results but it didn't last long. And you have to flush it out alot as well otherwise it just shorts out your cells, if you arrange it in the usual plate system.
MrCarbJB 3 years ago
It doesn't really matter what electrolyte you use. The aluminum is going to get consumed (converted) into aluminum oxide as you produce more and more oxygen.
As long as you have a plentiful supply of aluminum, you should be ok.
The other down side is that you will be producing hydrogen only. Most of the oxygen will not be leaving the tank.
It will still burn, but not with the same big bang that you may see in other videos.
Good luck.
lutherp40 3 years ago
Thanks I guess if i want to use aluminum plates i've got to use pure water and the meyer's circuit. Would that work?
HHOenergy 3 years ago
You may be able to reduce the oxidation of your plates this way, but I think that the aluminum will still be consumed (converted) into Aluminum Oxide regardless of how you split out the Oxygen from the water molecule.
Eventually they will need to be replaced.
I am not not necessarily saying this is a bad thing as long as you plan for it.
lutherp40 3 years ago
I forgot to mention that anytime that the Oxygen is being consumed making some sort of oxidized material, it is not being released as a gas.
For example: Aluminum Oxide, Copper Oxide, Iron Oxide (rust), etc.
So the gas you would be producing in a condition similar to this would be something on the order of 8 to 10 parts Hydrogen to 1 part Oxygen instead of the more "ideal" 2 parts Hydrogen and 1 part Oxygen.
lutherp40 3 years ago
stainless 316l or better no more problems
lelandshane 3 years ago
your aluminum will soon be mush ... this is a fairly violent chemical reaction between the potassium hydroxide and the aluminum ... it is releasing hydrogen but there is not much of a way to control the reaction ... the aluminum is consumed in the reaction as is the potassium hydroxide ... its like putting iron into nitric acid ... this is dangerous as hell to do if you have a really strong solution of potassium hydroxide ... reaction can get out of control fast and make much heat ... BOOOOM !!!
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
the caustic is corroding the Al and making Hydrogen.
m3sca1 3 years ago
Is the gas being produced HHO gas? Please comment.
HHOenergy 3 years ago