If the health care law is repealed, then insurance companies can (and will) continue to practice recission, meaning they can deny or drop your coverage if you have a pre-existing condition. Anyone who thinks repealing the health care law needs to think long and hard about this aspect of it.
Way to go, you liberal fucktards! Now we are going to have a VAT tax ON TOP of our federal income tax. Liberalism has its days numbered thanks to the current administration.
way to go Oduma..major corportations are saying they are going to have to lay off even more people..even Verizon, who was one of the few sponsors of your joke are now going to lay off more people and there are confirmed reports that MicroSoft will be moving its HQ;s to India. Thank you President Ass Hole for even more job losses. Now, where do you think the tax money is going to come from? And why are Oduma and the Congress that voted on this bill exempted from taking part in it? Fuck Oduma
@dozerman09 LOL ODUMA that is clever Dumberman09 lol U attack a Pres for back up Americans and LOL American corporations Moving to India and China or anywhere else has nothing to do with the OFFICE of the President
Suck it evil Repugs! The party of hate the party of can't. The party of if we can't win we'll throw rocks. The party of I'm white and I deserve it more. E Pluribus Unum people. Out of Many One. Guess you forget that he founding fathers had that noble concept. You say you're pro life yet your all for war and the death penalty yet you do everything you can to prevent sick people from getting Health Care, and you only like foreigners if they work for you for less than a Union Man will.
My state is helping to fight against this bill, too. This bill violates the Constitution by forcing all Americans to buy a private product. I'm about to go into college, and I'm not about to lose hard-earned money because the IRS wants be to buy something from them. MA's hospitals are already going bankrupt under this system.
If the states win the lawsuit, the bill hopefully be as harmful as it was first written out.
@365rl your just wrong and have no idea what your talking about , and Obama administration just made it a whole lot easier to be in school and just a whole lot easier on ADULTS in college with being able to say on your parents HEALTH CARE INSURANCE til 26
LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL.LOLLOL.LOL.LOLL.OLO.LL..LOL..WE WON ANOTHER ONE BY A LANDSLIDE..LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL.NOT A MUD SLIDE CAUSE THATS ALL YOU HATERS THROWING IS MUD THAT SLIDE LOL.....YOU assholes..TAKE THE CAKE KNOW YOUR SAYING KILL HALF AMERICA SAY NO TO HEALTH CARE??..DUMB ASS REDNECKS GET OVER IT LET THE MAN DO HIS JOB..WERE WERE YOU WHEN BUSH WERE KILLING YOUR KIDS KNOW YOU WANNA GROW BALLS?...
Hey I'm still waiting for the tech jobs Slick Willie promised when he signed NAFTA into law.
We still spend billions maintaining our presence in Europe and Asia. Congress never even thinks about ending that bullshit! Why? Cause it doesn't effect them! Just like the healthcare bill.
You have to be really stupid to buy Obama's bullshit.
This piece is devoid of any real content. What is in the Bill? Half a trillion will be taken out of medicare..... won't medicare suffer?
Money will flow to the big insurance companies and in a few years, they will say, OH i am sorry the money is gone. Shades of what has happened to Social Security.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands ..."
As Benjamin Franklin was leaving the building where the US Constitution was completed and signed, a woman asked what kind of government the convention created. Benjamin replied; A Republic, maam if you can keep it.
Thomas Jefferson seemed to make states' right crystal clear in the Kentucky Resolutions. The Federal Union is a VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION of states -- if the central (federal) government is overreaching in its power, each state has the constitutional right to nullify federal law.
(Part 2 of 2): and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: That to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party....each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.
(Part 1 of 2) The States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that by compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes, delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government ...
I hate to say it, but if these people are stupid enough in these states to support their leaders, and then they happen to get sick and die because they cannot afford health care for profit...so be it. They won't be missed by the rest of us.
Are you going to be able to afford this health care plan?
"If a person decides not to buy health insurance, that person by definition is not engaging in commerce, If you are not engaging in commerce, how can the federal government regulate you?"
Think about the big picture. The government can't sell cars without going bankrupt, there is no way in hell they can run our healthcare.
@GoochRA You're point isn't valid. The federal government has been running Social Security and Medicare for decades. In addition, the government was not trying to sell cars, but merely tried to stimulate the sales of new cars. It seemed to have worked.
@ch1aka2 , so your saying that we stimulated our economy buy sending our money overseas? If it was only american made cars that got the cash for clunkers deal you'd have a point, so thats failure #1. Failure #2 is that is went bankrupt after what like 2 days? What do you think is going to happen when everybody gets the same "free" (it's not free btw) health provide by the same? It's going to go bankrupt because everybody with a splinter is going to wait in line at a clinic cause it's "free".
@GoochRA I'm sorry, but I have a different view of the situation. I'm older and I see the need, and the benefit to the country in the long term, in providing health care for all American citizens. I also see the greed and heartlessness exhibited by the health insurance companies (which is supported by the republicans) with their practices. I guess we just disagree. Good luck to you.
@ch1aka2 , oh, im with you on the state of existing health care insurance in the country. But you got to remember, they are just that, companies. They exist to make money, not help people, just like McDonalds. I'm a T4 paraplegic, I know allllll about health care and how it sucks. If you took an investment that you knew would cost you more money than you made you'd be a fool to do it. Same with prexisting condition in people and coverage. Don't take me as inhuman, something needs to be don
Humm lets see here fight it for the insurance companies that wont cover preexisting conditions and if your child gets sick and needs major treatment then what you let your kid die cause you cant pay for the necessary treatment? If that is the Case then I say those whom Oppose this Are the Real Babbie Killers!!!
wow OUR country is in REAL trouble when we are just this plain DUMB -- YES to HEALTH CARE REFORM YES TO 26 YEARS OLD BEING ABLE TO STAY ON FAMILIES INSURANCE, YES TO LOWER DRUG COST FOR GRANNIES, NO TO INSURANCE COMPANIES YOU CAN NOT KICK HER/HIM FOR " PRE-EXISTING CONITIONS@ YES TO NATIONAL DECEIFT BEING BROUGHT DOWN SOMETHING PRES. REAGAN AND PRES. BUSH SR SKYROCKETTED
If your owned a construction company and built houses and a customer wanted you to build and insure the house even though it was on a fault line and was going to have earthquakes at least once a year....would you still build the house and be responsible for any repairs?
I hate to say it, but insurance companies are businesses. They are in existence to make money not help people, just like McDonalds. I don't mean to sound inhuman, I believe there should be help for less fortunate.
How long will it take them to arrest me because I not going to give the insurance conglomerate one red cent. They have ripped me off for the last time and I will not give them a chance to do it again. This health care bill is just a windfall for the insurance corps. They will still refuse to cover almost every procedure as before and get away with it. Nothing has changed except more money for nothing in return.
hmm I am not the Idioit running around calling PEOPLE Nazi's lol Iam not the Idiot running around Barfing up shit comments like follow the money - Where were U when Pres Bush started a crazy unfounded WAR and AMERICAN families lost there loved ones! and billions of American Dollars when to Dick Cheney and his ick ! FOLLOW THE MONEY lol Go get some more HIGH ALTITUDE H2O
@Alkatine Is France a "Police State"? No. Does that mean an American shouldn't be OUTRAGED at the prospect of having their country turned into a version of France? what's next, shall we treat Sudan as our Equal...and Chad? We Are on a slippery slope here. 46% of every dollar now belongs to the Fed. Cap and Trade gives The Fed Energy too. Amnesty guarantees them majorities for generations. Not "Police"...Socialist.
What a Fuckin Liar, Nobody has fought for Generations for State Sponsored Healthcare, Nobody even Talked About Socialist Healthcare until hilary Clintons Criminal Demon Ass, Only People Fighting to turn this Country into a Fascist Empire are Satanist Demons Like this Lying Ass Illegitimate Piece of Crap. How Much More Ya Gonna Take America? Welcome to the New World Order Morons.
Let go of your own face, there's more here than you know. The Imposter now controls Banking, Manufacturing and Healthcare(our Bodies). Energy is next(Cap and Trade). 46 cents out of every dollar in our economy is now controlled by Barry Soetoro. The operative word in this all is "Takeover" If an American isn't enraged at this point, they are either hopelessy indoctrinated with the socialist paradigm, or they have been in a coma for a year.
nearly all the government welfare programs are already broke. And this is suppose to actually make money?
You fucking idiots. It's alright. Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money.
You liberals are going to learn fucking quick. That's if they don't actually force us like the USSR, who tortured, arrested, killed people if they didn't comply.
@Alkatine What? Your comment is a disjointed ramble. I cant even tell if you are in support of what I said or against it, so I have no further response "relative to above"(Re. your comment).
I voted for Barack Obama, but I completely disagree with aspects of his type of reform. Mandating Americans to buy a product/service from a corporation. What a scam...a complete and utter scam!
While now located in Chicago, I too am native to Louisiana and appropriately embarrassed by the state AG (although I didn't know of it until I read your statement.
By the way, I am breaking my promise to tell no one I am from Louisiana until they vote out Vitter.
I know it doesn't help you feel any better, but the citizenry is less racist and better educated now as compared to the way it was when I was a child. As a child, I attended segregated schools. One wing of the school was set aside for African-Americans, and we met only on the playground or sometimes at lunch. When token desegregation arrived in my high school years, one black student joined my class for gym. I know that much change is still required; that is true in Chicago as well.
How appropriately symbolic that it's 13 States who filed the suit. Just as the 13 Colonies petitioned George III. I'm sure the creeps in Washington miss the point, but patriotic Americans wont. This is the begining of the 2nd Revolution and I don't know who'll throw the 1st rock, or fire the 1st shot, but I wont be far behind. The Bill of Rights is worth Killing And Dying to Protect. Hang Every member of Congress who voted "yea"...literally.
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@masterchiefgtx You fool... You expect to scare people into silence by raising the "spectre" of "The Evil Bush"? Dont let your ignorance or willful stupidity get in the way of making an argument in favor of beareuocrats having a Mandate over your healthcare. "Maybe it would be better to give her the painkiller, rather than the life prolonging surgery"-The Creep you Voted for(B. Hussein Obama)
The State now controls 46 cents of every dollar spent, earned, saved...circulated in the USA.
Lol, you think an insurance company cares more about you than the government? I think I can only imagine how much the CEO of my insurance company cares more about me riding on his private jet that a bureaucrat... It amazes me how you find this small amount of healthcare reform to be more of a threat to your freedom than anything Bush did....
@masterchiefgtx You think the govt cares about you at all? They want power over you, that's it. Who's the largest denier of HC benefits in the USA? The Government you Tool! Name one person who got locked up because of the Patriot Act who wasnt a Militant Islamist Terrorist? I'm Tired of listening to you ignorant Fuckheads blaming Bush for shit That Carter Did, Clinton Did, And This CREEP Obama Does...Like Rendition! Fuck You and Die! 10 years of Taxes and theivery for 6 years of Obummercare!
You have no idea how socialized healthcare works, do you? That's how PRIVATIZED healthcare works. Honestly, have do you even own any kind of healthcare? Because your arguments clearly show you do not.
Clinton Kidnapped more foreign nationals under "Rendition" than George Bush did. Carter/Reagan did too. Obama has killed more civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan this past year than Bush did in the last 3! You want to distract people from what's going on here and now with bullshit stories from the past. For that it is my pleasure to expose you as a fool. Your "Messiah" is a Ghoul who commits political assasinations in friendly countries.
Proof of your Stupidity: "I voted for the most intelligent candidate.."-Dumbfuck
On EXACTLY WHAT PROOF do you base that statement? Have you seen his grades from Harvard or Columbia? How about his Highschool transcripts? Ever read any articles he wrote as "editor of the Law Review"? We've seen McCain's grades. We've seen Bush's and every other POTUS or candidates. Prove even One Fucking thing you said about Anything. Voting should be a priveledge. Yours should be revoked.
@LarcheOsborne That was the best, most original put-down EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You really kicked my ass with that one! Did it come right to you? I mean I'm floored...really. You are the Emperor of Putdowns! How can I ever recover from such a well placed personal insult. You are the WIlliam Tell of personal Insults. Thankyou for letting me bask in the glory of that which is your wit. Thankyou so much.
While it is rarely used to justified legislation these days as the Commerce Clause is more applicable, I urge you to examine Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. It explicitly gives Congress the power to "provide for "the general Welfare of the United States"
Furthermore, I'm sure a Constitutional scholar such as yourself is fully aware of the Supremacy Clause of Article VI and surely realizes nothing in the 10th Amendment diminishes its meaning
@LarcheOsborne I'm still reeling from your brilliant ad hominem dude...That was spectacular. I mean...my cheeks are Stil red! I mean as far as dispensing unsolicited personal insults is concerned, You are the Master! I'm like a deer in the headlights...what's a constitution? Where am I? Article what? Where? Wow! Will You be my friend? It's like from God's lips to your fingers! Can I be your acolyte of insults?
@LarcheOsborne That was the best, most original put-down EVER!
You really kicked my ass with that one, did it come right to you? I'm floored...really. You are the Emperor of Putdowns! How can I ever recover from such a well placed personal insult. You are the WIlliam Tell of personal Insults. Thankyou for letting me bask in the glory of that which is your wit. Thankyou so much.
Forgive me if you deem my remarks too personal in nature. It was not my intention to offend you. Recently, I have become to tire of self-appointed experts who assert knowledge of how the Framers intended us to interpret the Constitution while pointing to some provisions - The 10th Amendment in this case - while ignoring other, more relevant passages. I, like every other individual who graduated from a US law school, learned the folly and dangers of such efforts.
@WilliamTell Thank you So much for your (qualified) apology. I feel so much better about your insults now(after your qualified, bullshit, "if(IF) you deem" apology)
It makes me feel so warm and fuzzy knowing that "IF" I deemed your insults intentionally insulting(and I mean who would really take a personal insult personally right?) to me personally, it was not your "intention". I shouldn't have faulted your actions, I should have lauded your intentions. My unqualified apologies sir.
@ wideawake123: Hang every member of Congress who voted yea?! Maybe you should be hanged for defying Democracy. Over 50% of Americans want health reform and over 30 million were denied coverage for various conditions. American Revolutionaries fought for their Independence, but you so called "patriots" relish in your ignorance of this country's history because you would be fighting to uphold the Conservative agenda. How does extending coverage coincide with the BOR? Which amendment? Tell me.
@!ianc20435 - First of all we live live in a Republic not a democracy - know the difference before you spew off ignorance. I want health reform but not criminal reform and that is what this is. American Revolution was fighting against Tyranny and tax mandates - same shit that is going on today. I uphold the Constitution you want to destroy it with NAZI SOCIALISM. THE IRS WILL MANDATE YOUR PAYMENT and are turning Health Care into commerce that is TYRANNY!
@MrTruth08 - Where did you learn that public school! That is the biggest propaganda lie told! Nazism, communism, totalitarianism, fascism, even progressivism, socialism and modern liberalism all overlap and are connected ideologically with each other.
Right and check under your bed for the boogey man! because womens rights which was started by progressives is Nazism, oh and no child labor laws is Marxism which over laps with nazism that makes America all NaziMarxist American. lol u are a fucking joke.FAILED
@MrTruth08 - Research the Federal Reserve - they are a private company not federal! Watch G.Edward Griffin's "Creature from Jekyll Island" regarding the feds. Read Barbara Boxer legislation giving parental rights to the UN. Turn off your TV & research.
What does any of that have to do what we were just argueing about? lol i said womans rights and no child labor laws and you give me something about the 90s and a movie... great job on proving me wrong lol well i gotta do something you obviously cant go to work. cya at lunch
Ya, nobody pays attention to the bank bailout. All that happened was the US government took a loan from the banks with interest charged to you and me, and then gave the money back to the banks. It's the biggest scam and transfer of power in the history of humanity. What kills me is this kinda open corruption happens all over the world but some Americans just don't believe that it could happen here. Take the American Idol glasses off people and see what's going on around you...
@ds21273 Yes - Rome became complacent and looking for state handouts. Let it fall - I'm well prepare. I'm very aware of the trouble the banks are in collapsing the economy. Millions will die of starvation when our food shipment stops coming in because of our bad debt. Go ahead and celebrate. People like you are so ignorant!
We arent a "Democracy", we're a Republic...OOPS. Also that's a lie you just told, but don't let the fact that anyone who's read a poll in the last year knows it stop you.
Then there's that pesky 10th Amendment which is always getting in the way of the federal Govt...but dont let the fact that Now 14 States are involved in a 10th Amendment suit against the Federal Govt's takeover of healthcare(Those 14 State's Attourneys General aren't as smart as You, Obiviously)
And lawyers across the nation are laughing at those 14 AGs. Of course, if the taxpayers of those states are foolish enough to spend all that tax money on cases that are doomed to failure simply to win vote of reactionary know-nothings, more power to them.
@William Tell No they aren't. In fact at least 36 states are inacting legislation to opt out and render this Bill null and void for their residents. I guess they should be visited by You since you are such a "Constitutional Scholar", I'm sure you can put them all (that's 36 or 38 so far)straight.
I make no claims of being a constitutional scholar; I am well aware of the limits to my knowledge. However, I do know and read the writings of individuals who are constitutional scholars, and I am yet to hear the most conservative of the lot (I follow the opinions of both moderate and conservative jurors), and I am yet to find one who opposes the legislation on constitutional grounds. There may be some, but they've escaped my notice. (continued)
Let me add a tip I was taught by constitutional scholars who argued precedent-making cases before the Supreme Court - when someone argues for state nullification of a federal law, they know less about the Constitution than the average first year law or history student.
@William Tell So then by extention You ARE qualified to advise those 36-38 states enacting nullification laws, since they "know less about the Constitution than the average first year law or history student", and You've been taught by a "Constitutional Scholar". Looks like we need to change your name to Clarence Darrow. What a load of crap you spew.
I agree with you. Even Thomas would feel unease at raping the Constitution to that degree. Still, you can't trust a conservative Court. There's an excellent new book out called The Framing of the Court. The book deals with a history of judicial review and its abuses by conservative Courts throughout US history. I suspect you will enjoy it.
If the health care law is repealed, then insurance companies can (and will) continue to practice recission, meaning they can deny or drop your coverage if you have a pre-existing condition. Anyone who thinks repealing the health care law needs to think long and hard about this aspect of it.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
Way to go, you liberal fucktards! Now we are going to have a VAT tax ON TOP of our federal income tax. Liberalism has its days numbered thanks to the current administration.
hotblud82 1 year ago
NEXUS1A ...well you just proved to everyone on here how educated you are..typical public school drop out.
dozerman09 1 year ago
way to go Oduma..major corportations are saying they are going to have to lay off even more people..even Verizon, who was one of the few sponsors of your joke are now going to lay off more people and there are confirmed reports that MicroSoft will be moving its HQ;s to India. Thank you President Ass Hole for even more job losses. Now, where do you think the tax money is going to come from? And why are Oduma and the Congress that voted on this bill exempted from taking part in it? Fuck Oduma
dozerman09 1 year ago
@dozerman09 LOL ODUMA that is clever Dumberman09 lol U attack a Pres for back up Americans and LOL American corporations Moving to India and China or anywhere else has nothing to do with the OFFICE of the President
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
Suck it evil Repugs! The party of hate the party of can't. The party of if we can't win we'll throw rocks. The party of I'm white and I deserve it more. E Pluribus Unum people. Out of Many One. Guess you forget that he founding fathers had that noble concept. You say you're pro life yet your all for war and the death penalty yet you do everything you can to prevent sick people from getting Health Care, and you only like foreigners if they work for you for less than a Union Man will.
jasonlloyd33 1 year ago
@jasonlloyd33 YEAH love it :-)
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
My state is helping to fight against this bill, too. This bill violates the Constitution by forcing all Americans to buy a private product. I'm about to go into college, and I'm not about to lose hard-earned money because the IRS wants be to buy something from them. MA's hospitals are already going bankrupt under this system.
If the states win the lawsuit, the bill hopefully be as harmful as it was first written out.
365rl 1 year ago
Then your state blows
jasonlloyd33 1 year ago
@365rl your just wrong and have no idea what your talking about , and Obama administration just made it a whole lot easier to be in school and just a whole lot easier on ADULTS in college with being able to say on your parents HEALTH CARE INSURANCE til 26
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
screw obama
TheMrLiberty 1 year ago
Obama is for America who are you for ? Hitler after all was a conservative.
jasonlloyd33 1 year ago
And Jesus a Liberal who was executed for standing up against corrupt religious hypocrits.
jasonlloyd33 1 year ago
LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL.LOL.LOLLOL.LOL.LOLL.OLO.LL..LOL..WE WON ANOTHER ONE BY A LANDSLIDE..LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL.NOT A MUD SLIDE CAUSE THATS ALL YOU HATERS THROWING IS MUD THAT SLIDE LOL.....YOU assholes..TAKE THE CAKE KNOW YOUR SAYING KILL HALF AMERICA SAY NO TO HEALTH CARE??..DUMB ASS REDNECKS GET OVER IT LET THE MAN DO HIS JOB..WERE WERE YOU WHEN BUSH WERE KILLING YOUR KIDS KNOW YOU WANNA GROW BALLS?...
baddestras 1 year ago
Hey I'm still waiting for the tech jobs Slick Willie promised when he signed NAFTA into law.
We still spend billions maintaining our presence in Europe and Asia. Congress never even thinks about ending that bullshit! Why? Cause it doesn't effect them! Just like the healthcare bill.
You have to be really stupid to buy Obama's bullshit.
hamace 1 year ago
This piece is devoid of any real content. What is in the Bill? Half a trillion will be taken out of medicare..... won't medicare suffer?
Money will flow to the big insurance companies and in a few years, they will say, OH i am sorry the money is gone. Shades of what has happened to Social Security.
takforalt 1 year ago
America IS A REPUBLIC.
America is NOT A DEMOCRACY.
Democracy and Republic are two dissimilar FORMS of government:
DEMOCRACY: The Majority Unlimited, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority.
REPUBLIC: The Majority Limited, under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority.
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
@KarmicOmen AMERICA IS BOTH A DEMOCRACY AND A REPUBLIC ! lol LOL LoL REALLY COME ON IGNORANT STATEMENT
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
America is a FEDERAL REPUBLIC with a democratic voting process; however, we are not a democracy where majority rules.
Perhaps you should research and get your facts straight before calling me me ignorant -- you look very foolish.
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
me me ... LOL!
Sometimes delete buttons fail us.
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
@NEXUS1A
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands ..."
As Benjamin Franklin was leaving the building where the US Constitution was completed and signed, a woman asked what kind of government the convention created. Benjamin replied; A Republic, maam if you can keep it.
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
Thomas Jefferson seemed to make states' right crystal clear in the Kentucky Resolutions. The Federal Union is a VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION of states -- if the central (federal) government is overreaching in its power, each state has the constitutional right to nullify federal law.
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
(Part 2 of 2): and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: That to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party....each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
@KarmicOmen lol after you get done with your cuts and pastes maybe you should go to law school and really learn something
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
(Part 1 of 2) The States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that by compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes, delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government ...
KarmicOmen 1 year ago
@KarmicOmen LOL LOL LOL LOL majority is ruling you bozo the DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
I hate to say it, but if these people are stupid enough in these states to support their leaders, and then they happen to get sick and die because they cannot afford health care for profit...so be it. They won't be missed by the rest of us.
ch1aka2 1 year ago
Are you going to be able to afford this health care plan?
"If a person decides not to buy health insurance, that person by definition is not engaging in commerce, If you are not engaging in commerce, how can the federal government regulate you?"
Think about the big picture. The government can't sell cars without going bankrupt, there is no way in hell they can run our healthcare.
GoochRA 1 year ago
@GoochRA You're point isn't valid. The federal government has been running Social Security and Medicare for decades. In addition, the government was not trying to sell cars, but merely tried to stimulate the sales of new cars. It seemed to have worked.
ch1aka2 1 year ago
@ch1aka2 , so your saying that we stimulated our economy buy sending our money overseas? If it was only american made cars that got the cash for clunkers deal you'd have a point, so thats failure #1. Failure #2 is that is went bankrupt after what like 2 days? What do you think is going to happen when everybody gets the same "free" (it's not free btw) health provide by the same? It's going to go bankrupt because everybody with a splinter is going to wait in line at a clinic cause it's "free".
GoochRA 1 year ago
@GoochRA I'm sorry, but I have a different view of the situation. I'm older and I see the need, and the benefit to the country in the long term, in providing health care for all American citizens. I also see the greed and heartlessness exhibited by the health insurance companies (which is supported by the republicans) with their practices. I guess we just disagree. Good luck to you.
ch1aka2 1 year ago
@ch1aka2 , oh, im with you on the state of existing health care insurance in the country. But you got to remember, they are just that, companies. They exist to make money, not help people, just like McDonalds. I'm a T4 paraplegic, I know allllll about health care and how it sucks. If you took an investment that you knew would cost you more money than you made you'd be a fool to do it. Same with prexisting condition in people and coverage. Don't take me as inhuman, something needs to be don
GoochRA 1 year ago
Have you seen the cost of the cash for clunkers bill? It was a complete failure!
hamace 1 year ago
Humm lets see here fight it for the insurance companies that wont cover preexisting conditions and if your child gets sick and needs major treatment then what you let your kid die cause you cant pay for the necessary treatment? If that is the Case then I say those whom Oppose this Are the Real Babbie Killers!!!
xwdproductions 1 year ago
wow OUR country is in REAL trouble when we are just this plain DUMB -- YES to HEALTH CARE REFORM YES TO 26 YEARS OLD BEING ABLE TO STAY ON FAMILIES INSURANCE, YES TO LOWER DRUG COST FOR GRANNIES, NO TO INSURANCE COMPANIES YOU CAN NOT KICK HER/HIM FOR " PRE-EXISTING CONITIONS@ YES TO NATIONAL DECEIFT BEING BROUGHT DOWN SOMETHING PRES. REAGAN AND PRES. BUSH SR SKYROCKETTED
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
Wrong...
If your owned a construction company and built houses and a customer wanted you to build and insure the house even though it was on a fault line and was going to have earthquakes at least once a year....would you still build the house and be responsible for any repairs?
I hate to say it, but insurance companies are businesses. They are in existence to make money not help people, just like McDonalds. I don't mean to sound inhuman, I believe there should be help for less fortunate.
GoochRA 1 year ago
How long will it take them to arrest me because I not going to give the insurance conglomerate one red cent. They have ripped me off for the last time and I will not give them a chance to do it again. This health care bill is just a windfall for the insurance corps. They will still refuse to cover almost every procedure as before and get away with it. Nothing has changed except more money for nothing in return.
stophypocrisy 1 year ago
hmm I am not the Idioit running around calling PEOPLE Nazi's lol Iam not the Idiot running around Barfing up shit comments like follow the money - Where were U when Pres Bush started a crazy unfounded WAR and AMERICAN families lost there loved ones! and billions of American Dollars when to Dick Cheney and his ick ! FOLLOW THE MONEY lol Go get some more HIGH ALTITUDE H2O
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
@Alkatine Is France a "Police State"? No. Does that mean an American shouldn't be OUTRAGED at the prospect of having their country turned into a version of France? what's next, shall we treat Sudan as our Equal...and Chad? We Are on a slippery slope here. 46% of every dollar now belongs to the Fed. Cap and Trade gives The Fed Energy too. Amnesty guarantees them majorities for generations. Not "Police"...Socialist.
wideawake123 1 year ago
What a Fuckin Liar, Nobody has fought for Generations for State Sponsored Healthcare, Nobody even Talked About Socialist Healthcare until hilary Clintons Criminal Demon Ass, Only People Fighting to turn this Country into a Fascist Empire are Satanist Demons Like this Lying Ass Illegitimate Piece of Crap. How Much More Ya Gonna Take America? Welcome to the New World Order Morons.
Mindcrime1994 1 year ago
Let go of your own face, there's more here than you know. The Imposter now controls Banking, Manufacturing and Healthcare(our Bodies). Energy is next(Cap and Trade). 46 cents out of every dollar in our economy is now controlled by Barry Soetoro. The operative word in this all is "Takeover" If an American isn't enraged at this point, they are either hopelessy indoctrinated with the socialist paradigm, or they have been in a coma for a year.
wideawake123 1 year ago
Stupid Idiots.
nearly all the government welfare programs are already broke. And this is suppose to actually make money?
You fucking idiots. It's alright. Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money.
You liberals are going to learn fucking quick. That's if they don't actually force us like the USSR, who tortured, arrested, killed people if they didn't comply.
TheLiberalssuckdick 1 year ago
@TheLiberalssuckdick
soon communism in US
sharathvasudev 1 year ago
Public Option?
treid100182 1 year ago
They are all mad because they are being brought down to our level in a little way lol
Juntahh 1 year ago
Ya!!! It passed, where do I go get my RFID chip implant?
ghostrid3 1 year ago
Colorado became the latest state to file lawsuit against Nazi federal government.
macdogq 1 year ago
finally I can buy cheap viagra lol
LU29UN99 1 year ago
TO ALL LIBERALS THE FIGHT IS JUST STARTING TO REVERSE THIS SOCIALIST HEALTH CARE BILL.
I HOPE obama WILL BE ON TV EVERYDAY REMINDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HOW HE LIED TO THEM.
LIBERALS YOU DONT GET HEALTH CARE UNTIL 2014, A LOT CAN HAPPEN TO STOP THIS.
NOVEMBER 2010 FIRE NANCY PELOSI.
ryen1992 1 year ago
Virginia's Koochie Koochie Kookie Kookie Nelly shows Virginia's ignorance as he joins America's idiot Republicans in their efforts to be stupid.
BertGriffin88 1 year ago
@Alkatine What? Your comment is a disjointed ramble. I cant even tell if you are in support of what I said or against it, so I have no further response "relative to above"(Re. your comment).
wideawake123 1 year ago
Try telling me my Constitutional rights! This usurper in the whitehouse his executive order is not above the Constitution So he can go frig himself~
BeantownJim 1 year ago
I voted for Barack Obama, but I completely disagree with aspects of his type of reform. Mandating Americans to buy a product/service from a corporation. What a scam...a complete and utter scam!
MaladaptiveCatalyst 1 year ago
@MaladaptiveCatalyst
when i heard abt this bill
i tht it was providing free heathcare to all taxpaers
just like in france
but this is bad
sharathvasudev 1 year ago
massachusetts is fucked!
BeantownJim 1 year ago
Key Word
Nearly<- everyone, question: who is the 5 percent that wont have coverage?
DazedButterFly 1 year ago
Top 5%. You know, the top percent that owns a little more then 50% of the nations wealth. Yeah, that percent.
elspoko 1 year ago
the 5% are those that Obama puts on his naughty list
nheitz 1 year ago
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Rights for some so long that they are white, it seems to me.
aude11360 1 year ago
My backward ass state, Louisiana, is showing it's stupidity again...
masterchiefgtx 1 year ago 6
While now located in Chicago, I too am native to Louisiana and appropriately embarrassed by the state AG (although I didn't know of it until I read your statement.
By the way, I am breaking my promise to tell no one I am from Louisiana until they vote out Vitter.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
@LarcheOsborne This state embarrasses me everyday... Racist cities, racist judges, a war on education....and now this...
masterchiefgtx 1 year ago
I know it doesn't help you feel any better, but the citizenry is less racist and better educated now as compared to the way it was when I was a child. As a child, I attended segregated schools. One wing of the school was set aside for African-Americans, and we met only on the playground or sometimes at lunch. When token desegregation arrived in my high school years, one black student joined my class for gym. I know that much change is still required; that is true in Chicago as well.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
dont feel bad im in new york an its no better the congressman in my district helped vote this thing in
TheOpenmynded 1 year ago
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America needs to find out who pulls Obama's strings. Follow the money, because this is about money and control. We need to stand with the 13 states!
max1media 1 year ago
@max1media
are you that Thick and DENSE
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
Obama is a puppet to the ELITE just like Bush is to his Daddy (Major Elite). You are the FOOL if you can't follow the money who funded him.
soetebeer 1 year ago
@soetebeer
LOL IAM a FOOL Go LOOK IN THE MIRROR
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
NAZI!
soetebeer 1 year ago
@soetebeer LOL LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL REALLY HA HAHA HAHA HA HA AHHA go suck a flag pole or eat a bullet SAVE US all the greif
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
Just like a vulgar NAZI! PUKE!
soetebeer 1 year ago
@soetebeer can U say M O R O N LOL Iam a NZI
NEXUS1A 1 year ago
@NEXUS1A Nope but you are.
vr66r 1 year ago
the bilderberg gp and the rothchilds and the rockefellers the 13 families own obamas ass
BeantownJim 1 year ago
Beantown Jim,
Find a group of conservatives with a complain about progress, and there always seems to be an antisemite in the mix.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
How appropriately symbolic that it's 13 States who filed the suit. Just as the 13 Colonies petitioned George III. I'm sure the creeps in Washington miss the point, but patriotic Americans wont. This is the begining of the 2nd Revolution and I don't know who'll throw the 1st rock, or fire the 1st shot, but I wont be far behind. The Bill of Rights is worth Killing And Dying to Protect. Hang Every member of Congress who voted "yea"...literally.
wideawake123 1 year ago
@wideawake123 - here here! I second that! Long live the Bill of Rights - it is worth dying for!
soetebeer 1 year ago
You would kill over healthcare being provided for everyone but when Bush signed away your privacy with the patriot act you were most likely silent...
masterchiefgtx 1 year ago 7
You are a NAZI SOCIALIST! GET OUT OF THE REPUBLIC!
soetebeer 1 year ago
@soetebeer Please. Will you stop? Be serious
lildwayne21 1 year ago
@lildwayne21 - YOU STOP INFRINGING ON MY FREE SPEECH _ OBAMA NAZI!
soetebeer 1 year ago
Lol, killing over losing the right to not be provided healthcare due to preexisting conditions...idiot...
masterchiefgtx 1 year ago
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@masterchiefgtx You fool... You expect to scare people into silence by raising the "spectre" of "The Evil Bush"? Dont let your ignorance or willful stupidity get in the way of making an argument in favor of beareuocrats having a Mandate over your healthcare. "Maybe it would be better to give her the painkiller, rather than the life prolonging surgery"-The Creep you Voted for(B. Hussein Obama)
The State now controls 46 cents of every dollar spent, earned, saved...circulated in the USA.
wideawake123 1 year ago
Lol, you think an insurance company cares more about you than the government? I think I can only imagine how much the CEO of my insurance company cares more about me riding on his private jet that a bureaucrat... It amazes me how you find this small amount of healthcare reform to be more of a threat to your freedom than anything Bush did....
masterchiefgtx 1 year ago
@masterchiefgtx You think the govt cares about you at all? They want power over you, that's it. Who's the largest denier of HC benefits in the USA? The Government you Tool! Name one person who got locked up because of the Patriot Act who wasnt a Militant Islamist Terrorist? I'm Tired of listening to you ignorant Fuckheads blaming Bush for shit That Carter Did, Clinton Did, And This CREEP Obama Does...Like Rendition! Fuck You and Die! 10 years of Taxes and theivery for 6 years of Obummercare!
wideawake123 1 year ago
You have no idea how socialized healthcare works, do you? That's how PRIVATIZED healthcare works. Honestly, have do you even own any kind of healthcare? Because your arguments clearly show you do not.
elspoko 1 year ago
I don't want to scare anyone into silence...would just like you to take a honest look at decisions of past leaders...
masterchiefgtx 1 year ago
Clinton Kidnapped more foreign nationals under "Rendition" than George Bush did. Carter/Reagan did too. Obama has killed more civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan this past year than Bush did in the last 3! You want to distract people from what's going on here and now with bullshit stories from the past. For that it is my pleasure to expose you as a fool. Your "Messiah" is a Ghoul who commits political assasinations in friendly countries.
wideawake123 1 year ago
I voted for the most intelligent candidate...who did you vote for?
masterchiefgtx 1 year ago
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Proof of your Stupidity: "I voted for the most intelligent candidate.."-Dumbfuck
On EXACTLY WHAT PROOF do you base that statement? Have you seen his grades from Harvard or Columbia? How about his Highschool transcripts? Ever read any articles he wrote as "editor of the Law Review"? We've seen McCain's grades. We've seen Bush's and every other POTUS or candidates. Prove even One Fucking thing you said about Anything. Voting should be a priveledge. Yours should be revoked.
wideawake123 1 year ago
WideAwake
Despite your pseudonym, you must have been drowsy when you wrote that, because no part of the Constitution was injured in the making of this law.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
@LarcheOsborne That was the best, most original put-down EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You really kicked my ass with that one! Did it come right to you? I mean I'm floored...really. You are the Emperor of Putdowns! How can I ever recover from such a well placed personal insult. You are the WIlliam Tell of personal Insults. Thankyou for letting me bask in the glory of that which is your wit. Thankyou so much.
The 10th Amendment.
wideawake123 1 year ago
While it is rarely used to justified legislation these days as the Commerce Clause is more applicable, I urge you to examine Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. It explicitly gives Congress the power to "provide for "the general Welfare of the United States"
Furthermore, I'm sure a Constitutional scholar such as yourself is fully aware of the Supremacy Clause of Article VI and surely realizes nothing in the 10th Amendment diminishes its meaning
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
@LarcheOsborne I'm still reeling from your brilliant ad hominem dude...That was spectacular. I mean...my cheeks are Stil red! I mean as far as dispensing unsolicited personal insults is concerned, You are the Master! I'm like a deer in the headlights...what's a constitution? Where am I? Article what? Where? Wow! Will You be my friend? It's like from God's lips to your fingers! Can I be your acolyte of insults?
wideawake123 1 year ago
@LarcheOsborne That was the best, most original put-down EVER!
You really kicked my ass with that one, did it come right to you? I'm floored...really. You are the Emperor of Putdowns! How can I ever recover from such a well placed personal insult. You are the WIlliam Tell of personal Insults. Thankyou for letting me bask in the glory of that which is your wit. Thankyou so much.
The 10th Amendment.
wideawake123 1 year ago
Forgive me if you deem my remarks too personal in nature. It was not my intention to offend you. Recently, I have become to tire of self-appointed experts who assert knowledge of how the Framers intended us to interpret the Constitution while pointing to some provisions - The 10th Amendment in this case - while ignoring other, more relevant passages. I, like every other individual who graduated from a US law school, learned the folly and dangers of such efforts.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
@WilliamTell Thank you So much for your (qualified) apology. I feel so much better about your insults now(after your qualified, bullshit, "if(IF) you deem" apology)
It makes me feel so warm and fuzzy knowing that "IF" I deemed your insults intentionally insulting(and I mean who would really take a personal insult personally right?) to me personally, it was not your "intention". I shouldn't have faulted your actions, I should have lauded your intentions. My unqualified apologies sir.
wideawake123 1 year ago
Apology accepted.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
@LarcheOsborne That's very big of you sire.
wideawake123 1 year ago
@ wideawake123: Hang every member of Congress who voted yea?! Maybe you should be hanged for defying Democracy. Over 50% of Americans want health reform and over 30 million were denied coverage for various conditions. American Revolutionaries fought for their Independence, but you so called "patriots" relish in your ignorance of this country's history because you would be fighting to uphold the Conservative agenda. How does extending coverage coincide with the BOR? Which amendment? Tell me.
ianc20435 1 year ago
@!ianc20435 - First of all we live live in a Republic not a democracy - know the difference before you spew off ignorance. I want health reform but not criminal reform and that is what this is. American Revolution was fighting against Tyranny and tax mandates - same shit that is going on today. I uphold the Constitution you want to destroy it with NAZI SOCIALISM. THE IRS WILL MANDATE YOUR PAYMENT and are turning Health Care into commerce that is TYRANNY!
soetebeer 1 year ago
Nazism and socialism are two opposing ideologies....
MrTruth08 1 year ago
@MrTruth08 - Where did you learn that public school! That is the biggest propaganda lie told! Nazism, communism, totalitarianism, fascism, even progressivism, socialism and modern liberalism all overlap and are connected ideologically with each other.
soetebeer 1 year ago
Right and check under your bed for the boogey man! because womens rights which was started by progressives is Nazism, oh and no child labor laws is Marxism which over laps with nazism that makes America all NaziMarxist American. lol u are a fucking joke.FAILED
MrTruth08 1 year ago
@MrTruth08 - Keep that lie going! MORON!!
soetebeer 1 year ago
prove me wrong lol you Ignorant Sheep!
MrTruth08 1 year ago
@MrTruth08 - Research the Federal Reserve - they are a private company not federal! Watch G.Edward Griffin's "Creature from Jekyll Island" regarding the feds. Read Barbara Boxer legislation giving parental rights to the UN. Turn off your TV & research.
soetebeer 1 year ago
What does any of that have to do what we were just argueing about? lol i said womans rights and no child labor laws and you give me something about the 90s and a movie... great job on proving me wrong lol well i gotta do something you obviously cant go to work. cya at lunch
MrTruth08 1 year ago
Ya, nobody pays attention to the bank bailout. All that happened was the US government took a loan from the banks with interest charged to you and me, and then gave the money back to the banks. It's the biggest scam and transfer of power in the history of humanity. What kills me is this kinda open corruption happens all over the world but some Americans just don't believe that it could happen here. Take the American Idol glasses off people and see what's going on around you...
GoochRA 1 year ago
Rome was once a Republic to and look what happend to them.
HALE CAESER!!!
ds21273 1 year ago
@ds21273 Yes - Rome became complacent and looking for state handouts. Let it fall - I'm well prepare. I'm very aware of the trouble the banks are in collapsing the economy. Millions will die of starvation when our food shipment stops coming in because of our bad debt. Go ahead and celebrate. People like you are so ignorant!
soetebeer 1 year ago
We arent a "Democracy", we're a Republic...OOPS. Also that's a lie you just told, but don't let the fact that anyone who's read a poll in the last year knows it stop you.
Then there's that pesky 10th Amendment which is always getting in the way of the federal Govt...but dont let the fact that Now 14 States are involved in a 10th Amendment suit against the Federal Govt's takeover of healthcare(Those 14 State's Attourneys General aren't as smart as You, Obiviously)
wideawake123 1 year ago
And lawyers across the nation are laughing at those 14 AGs. Of course, if the taxpayers of those states are foolish enough to spend all that tax money on cases that are doomed to failure simply to win vote of reactionary know-nothings, more power to them.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
@William Tell No they aren't. In fact at least 36 states are inacting legislation to opt out and render this Bill null and void for their residents. I guess they should be visited by You since you are such a "Constitutional Scholar", I'm sure you can put them all (that's 36 or 38 so far)straight.
Signed, A "Reactionary Know-nothing" who votes
wideawake123 1 year ago
I make no claims of being a constitutional scholar; I am well aware of the limits to my knowledge. However, I do know and read the writings of individuals who are constitutional scholars, and I am yet to hear the most conservative of the lot (I follow the opinions of both moderate and conservative jurors), and I am yet to find one who opposes the legislation on constitutional grounds. There may be some, but they've escaped my notice. (continued)
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
Let me add a tip I was taught by constitutional scholars who argued precedent-making cases before the Supreme Court - when someone argues for state nullification of a federal law, they know less about the Constitution than the average first year law or history student.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago
@William Tell So then by extention You ARE qualified to advise those 36-38 states enacting nullification laws, since they "know less about the Constitution than the average first year law or history student", and You've been taught by a "Constitutional Scholar". Looks like we need to change your name to Clarence Darrow. What a load of crap you spew.
Nullify
Repeal
and Replace it with something better.
wideawake123 1 year ago
The Supreme court , conservative as they may be are not about to overturn the supremecy of federal law. It simply will not happen.
jasonlloyd33 1 year ago
I agree with you. Even Thomas would feel unease at raping the Constitution to that degree. Still, you can't trust a conservative Court. There's an excellent new book out called The Framing of the Court. The book deals with a history of judicial review and its abuses by conservative Courts throughout US history. I suspect you will enjoy it.
LarcheOsborne 1 year ago