@3777777777777 That doesn't matter. Abe believed that when god told him that it was okay to kill his son, then it was morally ok to kill as long as god says so. Personally, (if there was a god) If god himself walked towards me and told me to kill my child, I would flip him off and proudly burn in hell for eternity, as I said "fuck you."
@hydrall9 does it say that when abraham was told to do what was requied that he tought it was alright morally? No it does not! stop misinterpreting the Love. why is it that when i read everything that Jah has done there is no wronge or fault in what he has done. God made everything, he is kind to the wicked, come to me with anything that you think is wronge and unjust about God and il see it and show you the truth. God is the only one that is good im sorry if you dont love him
@hydrall9 but he still gave his only begotten son for you to be forgiven if you repent and love. and how can you love your son and not love God who gave you everything. truly i say to you that man does not resive a single thing unless it is given him from heaven.
I didn't knew where to ask this so I'll ask here. pls someone help me here.
the bible was written using status quo, everyone had slaves therefore it was ok.
so aren't we atheists using status quo as a moral compass right now? (Which would be bad because we wouldn't be able to say if it's really bad or wrong, since status quo is based on the time you live in.) If not, then what the heck are we using to tell if somethig is bad or not?
According to the christian bible, the god character commanded the cold-blooded killing of all the inhabitants of entire cities, including non-humans, because it was angry at one person. That's not moral, that's psychopathic.
Jesus is moral? Is it moral to demand the execution of those who are unwilling to be his slaves?
Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Justice? Burning alive for all e-fucking-ternity is JUST???
Well if I had known that, I wouldn't have sent my daughter to her room for half an hour for sneaking cookies from the kitchen cabinet; I would have just set her on fire.
If it is so evident that God exists, why, every week, are Christians turning themselves inside out trying to prove it with Bible quotes and twisted logic? Shouldn't it be completely obvious to everyone? The greatest power in the universe, who created Earth, life and the human brain in particular, can't figure out a better way to announce his presence than an ancient, self-contradictory confabulation of primitive legends? That alone should shake every believer's faith!
@carmium I asked my mother a similar question recently. I asked "If you really had 'the truth', shouldn't it be so blatantly obvious that I simply have no choice but to believe it?"
Her response was "No, because Satan is blinding the eye of the wicked one."
So, in turn, I asked "So Satan is powerful enough to distort God's divine message and fuck up his plans?"
She simply told me "...Satan has ahold of you." and walked away.
You know our country (USA) who is a Christian country would find a person guilty and insane if that person killed or "sacrificed" their child because god told them to. And your friends would think you're crazy if you said a snake talked to you. What I wanna know is how someone can believe a book and then say that's crazy in reality? My answer: religious people are bat-shit insane. You don't believe things you see in a Harry Potter movie so, why the bible?
@uplandassault I agree with everything you wrote, except that the U.S. is a "Christian country," unless you mean it in the sense that lots of christians live here. It certainly wasn't created to be a christian nation. In fact, the U.S. Constitution is a secular document that created a secular nation.
So angels WERE created to go to hell? To me, that seems just as bad as sending humans to hell. It's HIS system, he is absolutely fully responsible for any torture that happens. ANY AT ALL.
@mickwillie1 I hope you're a Poe. But, just in case you're not... A doll doesn't feel pain. A doll wouldn't burn "for eternity." If you honestly don't see the difference, religion has fried your brain.
Oh Matt, you missed a couple of tricks there. God doesn't just tell men they can rape women, he condones sex slavery (Koran 4:24). As we all know God established His 'covenant' with Abraham by asking him to kill his son. Then cos that wasn't enough he then killed himself (you know that one) but he also, according to his latest illiterate goat herder 'Messenger' wants those who 'believe' to kill everyone who doesn't 'believe. Hurrah for God, what a nice guy.
..cont..We have seen his majestic splendor with our own eyes. 17 And recieved honor and glory from God the father when God's glorious, majestic voice called down from heaven, "this is my beloved son; I am fully pleased with him" 18 We ourselves heard the voice when we were there with him on the holy mountain.
-Peter emphasizes his aithority as an eyewitness as well as God-inspired authority of Scriptures to prepare the way for his harsh words against false teachings.
@RightouesPath2011 I have not been there to hear those words and see the majestic splendor, so I cannot take the Bible's word for it. Have you heard about the fairy tale dilemma? It says one can make up amazing stories. If we cannot see visible signs that the story is true, then there is no reason why it is true.
Peter's authority means nothing, as well as Buddha's, Krishna's, Zeus', etc. I don't care if he says he saw it. That is circular reasoning also.
Well I'll just continue to pray for you. Hope that someday Jesus will reveal his truth to you.
- I know it's hard to understand God's way of living because it usually contridicts what how the world works. If you want to live for God, you must be ready to say and do what seems strange to the world. You must be willing to give when others take, to Love when other hate, to help when others abuse. By giving up your own rights in order to serve others. Pleases the Almighty.
Hope and joy are very abstract. I think I have them. You say I don't. If it takes a belief in God to have true hope and joy, then I will have to disagree.
-First God is hope, joy...but above all Love because Love is eternal!
How do you know it is Jesus' word as opposed to man's word and do not say because it is in the Bible, because that is a circular argument.
@RightouesPath2011 What is love? It cannot be the same as the relationship between parents and children or boyfriend-girlfriend. You need to give me examples before I can understand words.
You cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible, because it is just obvious that IF the writers were men, they would use "catch phrases" to endorse the book. Words can be set up. That is a fact. Heck, even events can be set up. That is because they need only be done once and then get written into history.
Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. Love will last forever.
@RightouesPath2011 One round of buzz words after another. Can you say all the words synonymous with love (patient, kind, not jealous, not boastful, not demanding, not irritable, etc) have literal, English definitions, or have different, Biblical definitions? Can you say God has all these qualities and has never been shown having the contrary?
You discern the insanity and what is God's righteousness well....lemme stop for a second and say that I am truly blessed that we are having this conversation right now.....I applaude you thirst for knowledge and wisdom. Your discernment is quite the sight too see.
I think this caller well demonstrates the concept of a person superimposing his sociocultural influenced morality onto his image of God. When presented with assertions that would be contradictory to his beliefs, God becomes wrong but the caller is unwilling to admit it.
Matt your questions are are asked to trap people....in the direction you want them to go. I do not question the Almighty and do not pretend to be him and make him fit what I want....If i did it is called idolatry.
You like to play God, and asking questions like would you rape a 12 yr old girl if he asked you to? Is your purpose to fit God in your own view of him (immoral) that u go to that extent? there is a reason why God included Idolatry in his commandments. thank for showing me why.
Matt your questions are are asked to trap people....in the direction you want them to go. I do not question the Almighty and do not pretend to be him and make him fit what I want....If i did it is called idolatry.
You like to play God, and asking questions like would you rape a 12 yr old girl if he asked you to? Is your purpose to fit God in your own view of him (immoral) that u go to that extent? there is a reason why God included Idolatry in his commandments. thank for showing me why.
Would you have felt better if Matt had stated an action or command straight from the bible, such as murdering your son, smashing your enemies babies against rocks, stoning to death impure brides, etc.? Matt was completely justified as your book describes these acts as the morality of your god. In fact, since you have probably not committed any of these actions, aren't you the one idolizing God and making Him fit into what you want? That's fairly common.
I'm not here to argue, i'm here to expose the hypocracy of what he is teaching. Idolize God? God is the same in the past, present and future. All I ask is if you want to hear the Truth about the Almighty...it starts by accepting Jesus.
Listen I totally understand your questions and how it can raise red flags but if you want answers about God Matt is not the place to get it. You can ask me anything I will do my best to answer them.
That's fine. I wasn't looking to argue, but to discuss. Do you realize that Atheists have more of an understanding of your religion that most Christians? Most of us, at least the ones here in the US, were Christians. You also musn't have an understanding of how well versed Matt is in the scripture. Matt can argue scripture blindfolded. All you will offer are the same doublespeak I offered when I was a Theist. If you feel like answering questions start w/ the one posed. Peace!
Satan knows the bible front to back, he tempted Jesus with it. U know it's one thing to memorize the bible and another to practice what you preach. As a Christian, I admit, one thing Atheist are good at is sniffing out hypocrites that do not do what Jesus asks and that is "to Love one another as he loved us". I see many of them condemning which is sending the wrong message. plus we don't have the power to condemn anyone only God. When Christians do this it just perpetuates hate
When you start making extrordinary claims, such as there are these magic beings, you're going to have to provide evidence. You are speaking to a former Christian, so I understand the message you're trying to convey, but no longer believe in the supernatural beings you are discussing. Please provide evidence of their existence. Also, we have court systems that have the exact purpose of condemning others, so what do you mean that people don't have the power to condemn others?
Sorry I didn't explain. Condemn people to hell that many Christians think they have the power to do. Only God has that authority.
I understand your need for evidence, it is important. But I live on Faith in the Almighty. Faith the confident assurance that what I hope for is going to happen. It is the evidence of things I cannot see.
What other aspect of life, besides your religious beliefs, do you rely on faith? Why then is every other aspect of your life dependent upon knowledge but your religious beliefs? Faith is the opposite of evidence, so I'm not sure you understand the terms you are using. Also, what position does that leave the God you define as something that created a hell to damn His supposed creation? Do we celebrate the father that builds a torture chamber for when their kids are unruly?
I want you to think of the court of law. the innocent are free and the guilty are charged. right? but do you believe our justice system is perfect? see GOD is a righteous and perfect GOD he must up hold the Law and we must answer to every single thing we do.
Our justice system, lawyers can bend ways...you can pay off people be guilty but be free.
God gave us 1 way to pay our ransom and that is through Jesus.
I know the dogma. I just don't understand why you think it is credible. Why do you think this perfect being needed to create a loophole for the system that it supposedly created? Why are humans just that much better than your god because we can just forgive when people perform actions against us. Your concept of God isn't all that godly in my opinion. But, if it provides you comfort...
What aspects of life, do I rely on faith......you have to realize brother that being a follower of Christ is not an addition. He is my life. I see everything to a renewed vision. Still exist in this world, Love my wife, play with my kids, watch football, pay the bills. I'm not perfect, the devil lets me know that....but Jesus Love me anyway, I lean on him for so many things by having faith in him he always helps me out, may not be how i want or when but, given as needed in a perfect way.
So I'm assuming that you didn't enjoy the things you listed before your belief in Christianity. Glad to see that your faith allows you to find joy in many aspects of your existence and interaction with the world around you. You still aren't answering the question posed though. Besides your religious beliefs, when is faith ever valued over knowledge? When would you base a decision on a feeling over evidence? Thanks for the discussion.
Brother thats the thing, faith to me is not a religious belief it is life. It's hard to distinguish the values because with faith wisdom and knowledge "come with the territory" so to speak. Like marriage you say till death do us part...you say it at the time but statistics show an increase in divorce. So we say this term based on faith, a confident assurance that what we hope for will happen..it is the evidence of things we cannot see.
I Love my wife before, but i see it in a stronger way. When God says we are one flesh that means we have made a commitment to each other. I have told my wife several times I want to marry her all over again. I see my boys as a blessing to me. that i'm not just teaching them but it is beautiful reciprical relationship. As for Football I'm just thankful that a creator made things in this world that we can enjoy, and I give praise to Him for giving me talent to play and watch it.
Kind of like birthdays when you were young...it combined assurance and anticipation..and so does faith.
-The begining point of faith is believing in God's character: he is who he says. The end point is believing in Gods promises: He will do what he says. When we believe that God will fullfill his promises even though we don't see those promises materializing yet, we demonstrate true faith.
-I pray that the our Lord will find that door to ur heart that was once open to him.
I agree that faith can be very soothing and if you need that to get through this life, more power to you. I would rather know the uncomfortable truth than a comforting lie. You also state that God is who he says. Do you have discussions with this said God? By what authority do you think you have knowledge that a god exists, let alone what they require of us? How does that compare with all of the other Theists that feel the same way but make opposing statements to your claims?
I also extend my fellowship your way. Because reguardless of what happens I want you to know I have nothing but love for ya man. I will do my best to answer your question about my Faith and conviction to our savior in Jesus Christ. Have a blessed day.
Thank you for the kind words. I have nothing but the best hopes for you also. This isn't personal and there is no animosity. All you really have, as you have demonstrated, is blind faith and it is no different than all of the other blind faiths that have been demonstrated to other gods throughout the history of mankind. Preaching will do you know good. You have to provide evidence, of which you have none to support any of the claims you have made. I already know the rhetoric.
Not necessarily so. Thousands of other faiths feel their gods and belief system is accurate with the same intensity as you. Provide evidence for the things you say. If you just want to preach, you will be considered the same as preaching the merits of any of all of the other supposedly fictitious gods you are Atheist towards. Learn to defend the wild claims you make instead of merely making them. You only want to accept the positive attributes of God.
Another common question posed, not only from Atheist but many who just doubt.
I'm not here to claim any other false Gods, and the Caller and Matt are not discussing any other accept the Almighty.
Matt maybe well versed in the bible, but so was satan. He tempted Jesus with scriptures. I can memorize the Bible but It is futile unless I accept Jesus and live by his teachings.
I don't need to defend somthing I would happily do...share my faith.
How can Jesus, who is supposedly part of God be tempted by what was rightfully His anyway? Are you tempted by someone that offers you things you already possess? The stories in the bible aren't as wise as you claim. If you use critical analysis to many of the teachings in the bible, they unravel. If you find comfort in them, fine, but don't claim you have some knowledge that you don't possess. Find comfort in your faith, but at the end of the day, that's all you've got.
@RightouesPath2011 I mentioned a long time ago that faith allows people to settle for less. You are living proof of my claim. You settle for less than the truth, because you are comfortable in your own little world. You also settle for less than morality, knowledge, and logic. You may be unable to accept this, but if you can't convince other people why this isn't true, then they have no reason to take you seriously. Think about that.
@MunkyDrag0n I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm here to make aware that people have an important choice to make. If u want to find out the truth about our Lord Jesus Christ be humble and ask him urself or ask those who put faith in his EVERY word. No matter what Matt or Christians says it is a choice.
@RightouesPath2011 How arrogant are you that you saying it's the nonbeliever's problem when you have no way to back up your claim? It's only truth if you can prove it, sir. If you are unwilling to prove it, then no one should take you seriously. I used to Christian. So was Matt. We asked. We got no reply. If you trust words in a book when they could have been distorted far beyond what Jesus actually said, then you worship the book and not the person.
Telling people that it is a CHOICE to follow JESUS is arrogant? Informing them that the best place to get thier answers would be Jesus himself or someone who wholeheartedly believes and is witness to the power and Love Jesus gives.
Following Christ takes faith not evidence. Faith that by accepting Jesus as ur Lord and savior. He will give u all the evidence you need. thats the hardest thing to accept. Look Jesus said many things it means nothing without FAITH.
@RightouesPath2011 Yes, it is arrogant because you are assuming they have the experiences to be qualified to make that choice. You can't tell people what they know.
Faith and not evidence, eh? You have admitted that faith is blind. You can have faith in anything in want. There is an equal chance of all beliefs being true, right? The comfortable quality makes it true, right? Wrong! Jesus won't give me evidence, because I can show evidence. He gives me nothing I can show to others to prove him.
I can see you have concern for others this is very comendable... Jesus is not an object for show and tell. He is Love and salvation, God's gracful gift. It is a way of living, living in righteousness by faith. If you want physical evidence you wont get it from me.....I'm here to let you know that it is a choice...not to be arrogant, or tell people what to do but to empower you and everyone who has discernment about our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
@RightouesPath2011 Ay yi yi! I never meant Jesus was show and tell. We are talking about a world-changing, life-altering idea! It will determine if people go to heaven or hell, including my loved ones. I have heard many times that doing good deeds according to Bible is no use if you don't believe in Jesus, so belief is most important. I have seen no physical, spiritual, OR philosophical evidence. By all practical purposes, I HAVE NO CHOICE. I CANNOT believe in him, because my brain forbids me.
I'll pray for you then brother, because I care and love you through Christ. That He strengthens your discernment and that He softens your heart. may He bless you brother. In Jesus name.
Matthew 5: 3-20 Jesus sermon on the mount called beautitude
focusing on verse 8
God blesses those whose hearts are pure, for they will see God
-If you read these verses it will tells us how to be blessed by God. Blessed means more than happiness. It implies the fortunate or enviable state of those who are in God's kingdom. The Beatitudes don't promise laughter, pleasure or earthly prosperity. Being "blessed" by God means the experience of HOPE and JOY..continue
@RightouesPath2011 I have hope and joy. I just don't need God for it. I have family, an education, food, clothing, a place to live, and so forth. Life is good. I will appreciate it until I die.
You cannot say everyone who sees God has a pure heart, because some of the worst things possible have been done with visions. People have killed each other and killed themselves for God. You can argue they are being mislead, but how does one tell apart God from insanity?
....independent of outward experiences. To find hope and joy, the deepest form of happiness, follow Jesus no matter what the cost. These Beutitudes are not multiple choice---where u oick one and leave the rest. They must be taken as a whole. They describe what we should be like as we accept wholeheartedly to be followers of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
@RightouesPath2011 Okay, you have no proof for any of your claims, but are spewing buzz words trying to confuse me. I will follow no one unless I am absolutely sure he exists an means well for me. The sureness does not come as a result of others telling me what to think, but from what I see, hear, feel, etc. I have not sensed God, and you have no right to tell me I have. How can you become a believer without being told to be a believer?
Brother in no means Am I trying to confuse you please explain where you are confused so I can try to explain differently. I want you to discern EVERYTHING I SAY. I'm not motivated by prestige, power or to tell you I told you so. I follow the Jesus and that what you read is said from the HolySpirit inside me..out of Love for you brother, to serve YOU. I'm making you aware that this is God's word. Jesus is the "GOOD NEWS"------ the person and work of Jesus Christ.
@RightouesPath2011 Hope and joy are very abstract. I think I have them. You say I don't. If it takes a belief in God to have true hope and joy, then I will have to disagree. You say the Beatitudes promise hope and joy in heaven, but I do not know what you think hope and joy means, so I am not sold. How do you know it is Jesus' word as opposed to man's word and do not say because it is in the Bible, because that is a circular argument.
so if god cannot be in the presence of sin....then why did god make sin a possiblity? the christian god anyway you slice it is a tyrannical, impotent angry "man" who is apparently a peeping tom, makes you think twice before going to the bathroom.
You going to question almighty God??? Even on judgment day when he gives you a re-run on your life you will have no defense to justify yourself if you die in your sins.The earthly man-made laws are what we control...After your dead,,,God has the last word. Its says this,,,it a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God.Hebrews 10-31.Means if your die in your sins...You have a grace period on earth! Not when your dead with God.End of the line my friend..Hell or Heaven,, eternity! yr choice...
No, he's questioning *your god*. There are hundreds (actually thousands) of sects/denominations of different religions, each with their own version of god and their own doctrine and moral system. Why should yours be true, just because you believe it?
@flatop59 except Yahwe, apparantly. Who judges the judge? Who watches the watcher?
You judge your version of your god to be good, despite all the evils he committed, unleashed, controlled and ordered in the book you think accurately descibes both reality and this god's character. If he exists at all, what gives this god the right to judge us? In what position? As father, as creator, as king, as general, as tyrant, as judge? He's a bad father, an incompetent creator and general immoral person
That theoretical question Matt proposed is so out of the realm of possibility. God would never ask someone to rape a 12 year old girl. However, raping a 12 year old boy, THAT is more his forte.
What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain(10 Commandments)? If yes, then you're a liar, thief, and a blasphemer in the sight of God. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent His Son Jesus to shed His blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus died for your sins,was buried & resurrected)you'll not perish & have eternal life
@gramosjr7 Ok..... so what makes you think any of that is true? Lets say, for the sake of argument, that a god does exist and it is the christian god. How do you know any of what he says is true? Other than him telling you that things happened and that they were caused by him....... what evidence do you have to support his claims as true (other than your faith)? How do you know he is the only god? How do you know he isn't simply taking credit for the works of another god?
So god sacrificed HIMSELF to HIMSELF to appease HIMSELF because we can't live up to the ideals of a game he created and made the rules to? And lets say you do a bad deed or three, or even worse...DON"T BELIEVE, oh, then you go to hell. What a sweet, sweet.... and very sick story.
You have enough intelligence to form words together and type them, but not enough to see how absolutely stupid, primitive and disgusting your beliefs are. For humanity's sake, please don't reproduce.
@gramosjr7 Have you ever enjoyed eating any kind of food before? Gluttony. Straight to hell. Have you ever looked at something that you've done and decided that you did a good job? Pride. Straight to hell. Have any of your friends had something that you really wanted? Envy. Straight to hell. Have you ever had a lazy day where you just hung around the house? Sloth. Straight to hell. We sin on a daily basis, it's extremely easy to do. People in every walk of life do it. Including you.
Not only that, but he just put the tip in, so she was still a virgin! I always wondered how she could still be a virgin after being married, but its not that big of a deal. Now God raping a women and forcing her to carry his child, now that is fucked up. Unless I missed the part about God asking her if he could pop one in her and Mary agreeing to this.
@bayouboyy Well, in the bible she was "betrothed" to Joseph i.e engaged so she was single.Technically a woman loses her virginity when her Hymen is broken and of course having a baby breaks the Hymen. So she was a single non virgin and the bible says that women who lose their virginity before marriage should die.She got married to Joseph AFTER jesus was born. Its so messed up.
and yeshu will save your life if you belive in him.. there will come many .. and no peace.. first the decieving.. and then if u stay with yehshu and DO NOT BELIVE IN THE DECIEVERS than u will see what's happening =)
belive me.. they wanna decieve me too men.. i am your proof.. let me be the one who tell you in the name of ישוע that they tried to decieve me haaard and badly.. but now .. i'm still praying to Ḡòḍ and belive in ישוע
@ChannelTW ""god isnt in my body anywhere nor in anyone else's, except in the mind."" God is in your mind, and in your heart and everywhere. God is real. You can only experience that reality if you want to experience it.
wow, this caller is fuckin confused.. he is regurjutating the stories directly from the bibble as if they are 100% fact.. he has NO CONSCIOUS THOUGHTS OF HIS OWN, AT ALL.
Fuck me this is the saddest thing I have seen today.
@ChannelTW ""so your saying the bible isnt true?"" parts of the Bible are historical accounts, others are songs, others poetry, and others are fiction. The Bible is not a book, is a collection of books written by many men over many centuries. God inspiration is not a word by word dictation and anyone that tells you otherwise has not been truly inspired by our Lord. God was before religions, before the Bible and before man. God is real, you can know for sure this reality if you open your heart.
GOD WOULD NOT BE SENDING U TO HELL. U SEND URSELF TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN HIM N HIS WORD. AFTER U DENY HIM OVER N OVER DO U THINK U DERSERVE TO BE IN HIS KINGDOM.? DO U EVER SLEEP AT NIGHT N DOUBT URSELF N WONDER WHAT IF HE'S REAL, WHERE WOULD U SPEND UR ETERNITY?...
@lisette88gonzalez OH!!!! *Faceplam* You seem to be as brainwashed as the guy on the video! THE POINT IS WHOEVER SENDS ANYONE TO HELL DO YOU THINK THEY DESERVE IT FOR SIMPLE DISBELIEF? If you do think they deserve it then you are immoral.
Also God is God and not man. So can God tell someone to kill another? Very possibly. Is the state necessarily immoral because others to kill people? The state dos this in war and many states of the U.S do it for the punishment of crimes. So is going to war necessarily immoral? No. So why would God be immoral. Remember this is God and not just some person.
He also the word murder for the hypo if God would have let Abraham go ahead with the sacrifice of Isaac. Murder is a vlaue judgement already. But again if God is the God of the Bible then he makes morality. So it would be moral and we could not judge that hypothetical morality by the real world's morality. it woud make no sense.
The hypothetical is not fair. It is a trap and a debating technique. The problem with Matt is that if God is God then the caller is right because he is God and decides what is moral and what is not. BY his hypothetical situation then the only answer is that the caller would believe God. But then he will not allow that God would not ask something immoral. Again a trap question. That is all.
Actually, they did an article about banning abortion even for raped victims because someone claimed "It would be the act of God the rape happened and that he works in ways we can't understand." I was like "WTF" when I read that article. I don't think people should use the bible as a source of evidence for explaining God. It was written by humans. But yes, we should probably start finding evidence to prove how he manifests. Evidence in the physical world, not based off a story.
You are an atheist regarding God the way is described in the Bible. The perception of what God is or what God did or said might not be the same for a goat herder living 5,000 yrs ago to the one an intelligent person living in the 21st century might have. God is real, the dogmas that man through out ages had created might not be, but He is. God is a conscious being, and as such cannot be subject to study if he isn't a willing participant. If you want to know if God is real you need to experience
I don't like this particular call because it immediately made Tracie Harris frown and that woman is too gorgeous and hersmile too radiant to be doused and smothered by the wet blanket of crappy opinions.
If god is the ultimate judge then what's the purpose of life? In other words, why couldn't he just send us to heaven or hell without 'life'? It seems to me that humans should be the ultimate judge seeing as we have to overcome his obstacles he places in front of us. Why does 'god' have to just sit on his fat ass all day while watching us live out our lives and trying to overcome his 'obstacles'? To me god is lazy and is tempting us by not destroying evil.
Christian belief is not christian belife, it's only one by one, yes, one by one human pushed to death, without our conciousness, there is an answer to this, this is too little sick, to know, true is not what our minds are thinking, more and more you can get of this, but we are humans, we oppose to others at the beginning, then chaos is done, think what you believe? no, think what you feel you are, without any influences because you are one within. Is religion really means something for you? NO.
LOL omg he cant wrap his head around a SIMPLE question. He is scared to death to admit it. God want you to rape that girl the answer is yes you would and thats all you need to prove that worshiping a god is a bad idea.
I could present this viewers idea. God has allot of power, he is the judge that finaly accepts everything, he has so much power that speaking out against him will get you smashed. So whatever you says you just better be ok with it. If you are not ok with it just shut up and pretend to agree.
Just an aside, because I didn't hear Matt say it, but at least in the case of Abraham attempting to kill his son Isaac because attempted murder is a criminal act too. So actually, even though God technically didn't order Abraham to murder (if we assume God knew all along) he still convinced him to do something criminal by western standards.
@ArgueExplain That wouldn't apply here. Conspiracies would have to involve two or more people, and God wouldn't count. Although maybe if you were a skillful prosecutor you could get him on a conspiracy charge only if you could sell his imaginary friend as a second person to the jury. Yes, God is an imaginary friend in our court system...ironic, isn't it.
What Matt and Tracie are missing is NOT morality, but their sense of superiority over God. This is the same issue that Satan has: believes he is morally superior and can question God's motives. Satan has always tried to ascend above God both morally and intellectually. What most Christians believe (including me) is that "God is Love" (1 John 4:8) and also the bible says "Love is not self-seeking" (1 Cor 13:5) Therefore all God's actions, must be for the benefit and best interest of all mankind.
@yhenry77 When your god flooded the world, committing global infanticide and leaving behind piles of bloated dead babies, I suppose you see that as perfect love in action. All of that misery and death, as long as it comes from your god, represents to you the epitome of beautiful, moral perfection. After all, your wonderful god could never do anything evil, could he? Christianity is truly disgusting for how it desensitizes people to the suffering of others. 'Cause they had it coming, right?
@thirdleftturn It is apparent you have NOT read the Bible or if you have; then you missed some major parts or points. When America joined the WWII and decided to fight Nazis. I would say the Nazis were the evil ones, right? We CAN focus on the daylight USAF bombing runs against Germany that killed thousands of German civilians (men, women and children). Was America the evil one? NO! The flooding was to destroy evil corrupt men/women beyond hope, but ALL children and babies go straight to heaven.
@yhenry77 There are no winners in war. America has done evil acts. America did a evil act in those day light bombing runs. Sometimes you have to do bad things to stop bad people. God did a bad thing and therefore is no longer good.
@yhenry77 The difference is that your god supposedly has the infinite power, wisdom, and benevolence to come up with a better solution if he wanted to do so. He chose worldwide cruelty and death. Why do you think that someone like that makes a good role model for people to look up to?
@thirdleftturn The world was so corrupt with evil, that God was forced into action. You forget about freewill and God will not force anyone to be with HIM in heaven. These evil, corrupt people; that being with God was the last thing they wanted to do. God will not allow Satan (evil) to interfere with our freewill either; that is why he allowed the flood to happen. His solution allows men and women to accept HIM without interfering with our freewill. He is protecting your eternal choice. Be wise.
@yhenry77 You believe that people forced god to kill them? Does he not have free will himself? Was he too stupid to come up with any better solution? You are displaying a perfect example of just how perverted and depraved Christianity is in how it defines good and evil. For you, simply not believing in your ancient deity is an evil, abominable act worthy of horrible punishment. But slaughtering children in their cribs is an act of goodness by a god who loves them. That's messed up.
@thirdleftturn I don't understand your issues? It's obvious you don't want anything to do with God; so what are you asking? You want God to force ALL (including you) to heaven, when you die? Keep in mind you spend time worshipping HIM; I don't think so. God did have a better solution a long time ago in the Garden of Eden. We know the story: they sinned and mankind is paying for it. It was rebellion that brought it on, with the help of Satan. There is no middle ground are you for God or against.
@yhenry77 You said that it is wrong for Matt and Tracie to believe that they are morally superior to Yahweh. Here is what I am asking. If a god is fully capable of resolving issues in a peaceful manner, yet instead makes a habit of problem solving in ways that necessitate unspeakable human suffering, why do you believe that such a god is morally superior to someone who is raised in a culture filled with bigotry and prejudice, yet rejects those, finding the suffering of others to be appalling?
@thirdleftturn I know God can take out anyone, towns and cities he wants. Personally, I wonder why he puts up with mankind who doubts his true motives. It's like teenagers and parents there comes time when teenagers doubt parent's motives. The teenager will probably not appreciate their parents, until they get much older or have kids of their own. You look at God the same way, but billions of Christians have a different view. The Christian see a God of love, only looking out for the best for us.
@yhenry77 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is inspired by God." Psalm 137:9, "Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them on the rocks." Do you really not find it twisted and sick to say that a god who promises to bless people for taking babies and smashing in their brains is a god of love? Unfortunately, you can't see anything wrong with that. Christianity at its core is evil in that it promotes hatefulness and cruelty under the title of 'Love', making good people callous.
@thirdleftturn "Why is my lord weeping?" asked Hazael. "Because I know the harm you will do to the Israelites," he answered. "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open their pregnant women." 2 Kings 8:12 Being "happy" has nothing do with killing of children, but fulfilling of prophecy. The same will happen at End of Days, when the world suffers from terrible wrath of God, but Christians will rejoice.
@yhenry77 Yes, Elisha wept for the killing of Israelite children. The verse I gave was about your god promising to bless Israelites who killed Edomite children.
@yhenry77 Then your idea of love is for god to inspire someone to prophesy about murdering babies, then bless people for murdering babies, because it fulfills the prophecy about murdering babies that he inspired?
@yhenry77 - Common sense dictates that the unborn, the infant, and young children have not had the time or the life experience necessary to understand the requirements of salvation. They are certainly not able to understand the awesome implications or responsibilities of making a covenant with God. Therefore, the spiritual condition of the unborn, the infant, and young children is the same as any unconverted person who has never had the opportunity for salvation.
@lobothesacred3 - God will only grant immortality and eternal life after a person goes through the process of conversion. The unborn, the infant, and young children who die before the return of Christ will be resurrected in the resurrection of "The Rest of the Dead". Those who remain alive at his coming will live into the first thousand years of Christ's reign and have their opportunity for salvation at that time.
Source: biblestudy org basicart do-babies-go-right-to-heaven-when-they-die html
@lobothesacred3 Well thought out question, "Then they also brought infants to Him that He might touch them; but when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to Him and said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God." Luke 18:16-17 We all have an age of accountability, when we are faced with sin (told our first lie or stole something). Children, babies are not under the law, because they have not the knowledge of sin.
@yhenry77 - "Children, babies are not under the law, because they have not the knowledge of sin."
Yet, your doctrine clearly teaches that these babies are sinners and are worthy of hell unless they acknowledge Christ as their lord and savior. Do not forget that these infants are still considered guilty of original sin. And, if they are guilty of original sin then they are born as sinners.
@lobothesacred3 - Your response also only further complicates the issues. Because I looked at a few sources on this issue, and all three of them disagree on how this issue is dealt with. You only saw me provide one answer. One of them seems to agree with your stance directly. But the other seems they go to a limbo to grow up for a 100 years and then choose to accept God or not. And, some people seem to suggest that infants have the power of reincarnation at a chance for salvation.
@lobothesacred3 - The frustration is only further increased by all of these idea being presented with different parts of scripture being used to back one argument or the other. In fact, some sides will directly attack the others by referencing scriptures to contradict the other ideas.
@lobothesacred3 Yet, your doctrine? I assume you mean the Christian doctrine. Yes there is original sin, but that is past down from one (human) generation to the next. Where in the scriptures do you get "babies are sinners"? Yes I agree they have potential to commit sin, but until they realize WHAT IT IS; they cannot. That is why the mentally handicap also are not under law either. Ask any Christian preacher about the age of accountability; I think it will help you with the scripture confusion.
Actually some would disagree with you that the age of accountability is a scriptural based belief.
"Whenever we create an emotional, non-biblical doctrine it will continue to be embellished and then entrenched as a believable doctrine. We need to accept what God has written on this subject and not circumvent it with emotions."
"We must always keep in mind that sin is universal whereas salvation is not, meaning everyone has sin but not everyone is saved and that includes babies since they too are part of the sin cursed human race. "
But God said stop right befor Abraham killed his son.
3777777777777 5 days ago
@3777777777777 That doesn't matter. Abe believed that when god told him that it was okay to kill his son, then it was morally ok to kill as long as god says so. Personally, (if there was a god) If god himself walked towards me and told me to kill my child, I would flip him off and proudly burn in hell for eternity, as I said "fuck you."
hydrall9 12 hours ago
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@hydrall9 what do you think about love?
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@hydrall9 does it say that when abraham was told to do what was requied that he tought it was alright morally? No it does not! stop misinterpreting the Love. why is it that when i read everything that Jah has done there is no wronge or fault in what he has done. God made everything, he is kind to the wicked, come to me with anything that you think is wronge and unjust about God and il see it and show you the truth. God is the only one that is good im sorry if you dont love him
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@hydrall9 but he still gave his only begotten son for you to be forgiven if you repent and love. and how can you love your son and not love God who gave you everything. truly i say to you that man does not resive a single thing unless it is given him from heaven.
3777777777777 12 hours ago
I didn't knew where to ask this so I'll ask here. pls someone help me here.
the bible was written using status quo, everyone had slaves therefore it was ok.
so aren't we atheists using status quo as a moral compass right now? (Which would be bad because we wouldn't be able to say if it's really bad or wrong, since status quo is based on the time you live in.) If not, then what the heck are we using to tell if somethig is bad or not?
ChaoticRupture 6 days ago
According to the christian bible, the god character commanded the cold-blooded killing of all the inhabitants of entire cities, including non-humans, because it was angry at one person. That's not moral, that's psychopathic.
Jesus is moral? Is it moral to demand the execution of those who are unwilling to be his slaves?
Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
YY4Me133 1 week ago
Justice? Burning alive for all e-fucking-ternity is JUST???
Well if I had known that, I wouldn't have sent my daughter to her room for half an hour for sneaking cookies from the kitchen cabinet; I would have just set her on fire.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
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brock lesner best watch the fuck out!
youthank8 1 month ago
Ultimate Judge, Juror and executioner. All experience in history saying 'hey that never EVER ends well' be damned.
neverfearchrisishere 1 month ago
If it is so evident that God exists, why, every week, are Christians turning themselves inside out trying to prove it with Bible quotes and twisted logic? Shouldn't it be completely obvious to everyone? The greatest power in the universe, who created Earth, life and the human brain in particular, can't figure out a better way to announce his presence than an ancient, self-contradictory confabulation of primitive legends? That alone should shake every believer's faith!
carmium 2 months ago
@carmium I asked my mother a similar question recently. I asked "If you really had 'the truth', shouldn't it be so blatantly obvious that I simply have no choice but to believe it?"
Her response was "No, because Satan is blinding the eye of the wicked one."
So, in turn, I asked "So Satan is powerful enough to distort God's divine message and fuck up his plans?"
She simply told me "...Satan has ahold of you." and walked away.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
You know our country (USA) who is a Christian country would find a person guilty and insane if that person killed or "sacrificed" their child because god told them to. And your friends would think you're crazy if you said a snake talked to you. What I wanna know is how someone can believe a book and then say that's crazy in reality? My answer: religious people are bat-shit insane. You don't believe things you see in a Harry Potter movie so, why the bible?
uplandassault 2 months ago
@uplandassault I agree with everything you wrote, except that the U.S. is a "Christian country," unless you mean it in the sense that lots of christians live here. It certainly wasn't created to be a christian nation. In fact, the U.S. Constitution is a secular document that created a secular nation.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
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auroraman56 2 months ago
So angels WERE created to go to hell? To me, that seems just as bad as sending humans to hell. It's HIS system, he is absolutely fully responsible for any torture that happens. ANY AT ALL.
GuacamoleKun 3 months ago
your all idiots the bible was wrote by a lawyer to shake you both ways and divide Gods people.male vs female god blah blah blah.divide Gods clothes.
they conquered time and thought this mean,t they conquered God.
foolish spirits are in for a rude awakening.
mickwillie1 3 months ago
let me put it in simple terms,if a child throws a doll in a fire.would the child be morally correct.
how do you figure your so important.?
mickwillie1 3 months ago
@mickwillie1 I hope you're a Poe. But, just in case you're not... A doll doesn't feel pain. A doll wouldn't burn "for eternity." If you honestly don't see the difference, religion has fried your brain.
YY4Me133 1 week ago
Oh Matt, you missed a couple of tricks there. God doesn't just tell men they can rape women, he condones sex slavery (Koran 4:24). As we all know God established His 'covenant' with Abraham by asking him to kill his son. Then cos that wasn't enough he then killed himself (you know that one) but he also, according to his latest illiterate goat herder 'Messenger' wants those who 'believe' to kill everyone who doesn't 'believe. Hurrah for God, what a nice guy.
ritchloui 4 months ago 2
"Did you think I hadn't heard that story before?". Fabulous. I love you Matt.
ritchloui 4 months ago
..cont..We have seen his majestic splendor with our own eyes. 17 And recieved honor and glory from God the father when God's glorious, majestic voice called down from heaven, "this is my beloved son; I am fully pleased with him" 18 We ourselves heard the voice when we were there with him on the holy mountain.
-Peter emphasizes his aithority as an eyewitness as well as God-inspired authority of Scriptures to prepare the way for his harsh words against false teachings.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 I have not been there to hear those words and see the majestic splendor, so I cannot take the Bible's word for it. Have you heard about the fairy tale dilemma? It says one can make up amazing stories. If we cannot see visible signs that the story is true, then there is no reason why it is true.
Peter's authority means nothing, as well as Buddha's, Krishna's, Zeus', etc. I don't care if he says he saw it. That is circular reasoning also.
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
Well I'll just continue to pray for you. Hope that someday Jesus will reveal his truth to you.
- I know it's hard to understand God's way of living because it usually contridicts what how the world works. If you want to live for God, you must be ready to say and do what seems strange to the world. You must be willing to give when others take, to Love when other hate, to help when others abuse. By giving up your own rights in order to serve others. Pleases the Almighty.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 What a way to end a conversation with saying ''I'll pray for you''. Good luck with your results my good sir/m'am.
MarcusEFN 3 months ago
Hope and joy are very abstract. I think I have them. You say I don't. If it takes a belief in God to have true hope and joy, then I will have to disagree.
-First God is hope, joy...but above all Love because Love is eternal!
How do you know it is Jesus' word as opposed to man's word and do not say because it is in the Bible, because that is a circular argument.
-2 Peter 1:16
For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the power of our Lord Jesus Christ and his coming again..
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 What is love? It cannot be the same as the relationship between parents and children or boyfriend-girlfriend. You need to give me examples before I can understand words.
You cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible, because it is just obvious that IF the writers were men, they would use "catch phrases" to endorse the book. Words can be set up. That is a fact. Heck, even events can be set up. That is because they need only be done once and then get written into history.
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. Love does not demand its own way. Love is not irritable, and it keeps no record of when it has been wronged. It is never glad about injustice but rejoices whenever truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. Love will last forever.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 One round of buzz words after another. Can you say all the words synonymous with love (patient, kind, not jealous, not boastful, not demanding, not irritable, etc) have literal, English definitions, or have different, Biblical definitions? Can you say God has all these qualities and has never been shown having the contrary?
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
You discern the insanity and what is God's righteousness well....lemme stop for a second and say that I am truly blessed that we are having this conversation right now.....I applaude you thirst for knowledge and wisdom. Your discernment is quite the sight too see.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Why thank you. I try to live my life only according to truth. :)
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
I think this caller well demonstrates the concept of a person superimposing his sociocultural influenced morality onto his image of God. When presented with assertions that would be contradictory to his beliefs, God becomes wrong but the caller is unwilling to admit it.
XxAeronautxX 4 months ago
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Matt your questions are are asked to trap people....in the direction you want them to go. I do not question the Almighty and do not pretend to be him and make him fit what I want....If i did it is called idolatry.
You like to play God, and asking questions like would you rape a 12 yr old girl if he asked you to? Is your purpose to fit God in your own view of him (immoral) that u go to that extent? there is a reason why God included Idolatry in his commandments. thank for showing me why.
RightouesPath2011 5 months ago
Matt your questions are are asked to trap people....in the direction you want them to go. I do not question the Almighty and do not pretend to be him and make him fit what I want....If i did it is called idolatry.
You like to play God, and asking questions like would you rape a 12 yr old girl if he asked you to? Is your purpose to fit God in your own view of him (immoral) that u go to that extent? there is a reason why God included Idolatry in his commandments. thank for showing me why.
RightouesPath2011 5 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
Would you have felt better if Matt had stated an action or command straight from the bible, such as murdering your son, smashing your enemies babies against rocks, stoning to death impure brides, etc.? Matt was completely justified as your book describes these acts as the morality of your god. In fact, since you have probably not committed any of these actions, aren't you the one idolizing God and making Him fit into what you want? That's fairly common.
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
I'm not here to argue, i'm here to expose the hypocracy of what he is teaching. Idolize God? God is the same in the past, present and future. All I ask is if you want to hear the Truth about the Almighty...it starts by accepting Jesus.
Listen I totally understand your questions and how it can raise red flags but if you want answers about God Matt is not the place to get it. You can ask me anything I will do my best to answer them.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
That's fine. I wasn't looking to argue, but to discuss. Do you realize that Atheists have more of an understanding of your religion that most Christians? Most of us, at least the ones here in the US, were Christians. You also musn't have an understanding of how well versed Matt is in the scripture. Matt can argue scripture blindfolded. All you will offer are the same doublespeak I offered when I was a Theist. If you feel like answering questions start w/ the one posed. Peace!
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
Satan knows the bible front to back, he tempted Jesus with it. U know it's one thing to memorize the bible and another to practice what you preach. As a Christian, I admit, one thing Atheist are good at is sniffing out hypocrites that do not do what Jesus asks and that is "to Love one another as he loved us". I see many of them condemning which is sending the wrong message. plus we don't have the power to condemn anyone only God. When Christians do this it just perpetuates hate
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
When you start making extrordinary claims, such as there are these magic beings, you're going to have to provide evidence. You are speaking to a former Christian, so I understand the message you're trying to convey, but no longer believe in the supernatural beings you are discussing. Please provide evidence of their existence. Also, we have court systems that have the exact purpose of condemning others, so what do you mean that people don't have the power to condemn others?
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc 1/2
Sorry I didn't explain. Condemn people to hell that many Christians think they have the power to do. Only God has that authority.
I understand your need for evidence, it is important. But I live on Faith in the Almighty. Faith the confident assurance that what I hope for is going to happen. It is the evidence of things I cannot see.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
What other aspect of life, besides your religious beliefs, do you rely on faith? Why then is every other aspect of your life dependent upon knowledge but your religious beliefs? Faith is the opposite of evidence, so I'm not sure you understand the terms you are using. Also, what position does that leave the God you define as something that created a hell to damn His supposed creation? Do we celebrate the father that builds a torture chamber for when their kids are unruly?
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
Hello brother,
Sorry i haven't gotten back to your message.
I want you to think of the court of law. the innocent are free and the guilty are charged. right? but do you believe our justice system is perfect? see GOD is a righteous and perfect GOD he must up hold the Law and we must answer to every single thing we do.
Our justice system, lawyers can bend ways...you can pay off people be guilty but be free.
God gave us 1 way to pay our ransom and that is through Jesus.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
I know the dogma. I just don't understand why you think it is credible. Why do you think this perfect being needed to create a loophole for the system that it supposedly created? Why are humans just that much better than your god because we can just forgive when people perform actions against us. Your concept of God isn't all that godly in my opinion. But, if it provides you comfort...
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
What aspects of life, do I rely on faith......you have to realize brother that being a follower of Christ is not an addition. He is my life. I see everything to a renewed vision. Still exist in this world, Love my wife, play with my kids, watch football, pay the bills. I'm not perfect, the devil lets me know that....but Jesus Love me anyway, I lean on him for so many things by having faith in him he always helps me out, may not be how i want or when but, given as needed in a perfect way.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
So I'm assuming that you didn't enjoy the things you listed before your belief in Christianity. Glad to see that your faith allows you to find joy in many aspects of your existence and interaction with the world around you. You still aren't answering the question posed though. Besides your religious beliefs, when is faith ever valued over knowledge? When would you base a decision on a feeling over evidence? Thanks for the discussion.
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
Brother thats the thing, faith to me is not a religious belief it is life. It's hard to distinguish the values because with faith wisdom and knowledge "come with the territory" so to speak. Like marriage you say till death do us part...you say it at the time but statistics show an increase in divorce. So we say this term based on faith, a confident assurance that what we hope for will happen..it is the evidence of things we cannot see.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
I Love my wife before, but i see it in a stronger way. When God says we are one flesh that means we have made a commitment to each other. I have told my wife several times I want to marry her all over again. I see my boys as a blessing to me. that i'm not just teaching them but it is beautiful reciprical relationship. As for Football I'm just thankful that a creator made things in this world that we can enjoy, and I give praise to Him for giving me talent to play and watch it.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
Kind of like birthdays when you were young...it combined assurance and anticipation..and so does faith.
-The begining point of faith is believing in God's character: he is who he says. The end point is believing in Gods promises: He will do what he says. When we believe that God will fullfill his promises even though we don't see those promises materializing yet, we demonstrate true faith.
-I pray that the our Lord will find that door to ur heart that was once open to him.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
I agree that faith can be very soothing and if you need that to get through this life, more power to you. I would rather know the uncomfortable truth than a comforting lie. You also state that God is who he says. Do you have discussions with this said God? By what authority do you think you have knowledge that a god exists, let alone what they require of us? How does that compare with all of the other Theists that feel the same way but make opposing statements to your claims?
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
I also extend my fellowship your way. Because reguardless of what happens I want you to know I have nothing but love for ya man. I will do my best to answer your question about my Faith and conviction to our savior in Jesus Christ. Have a blessed day.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
Thank you for the kind words. I have nothing but the best hopes for you also. This isn't personal and there is no animosity. All you really have, as you have demonstrated, is blind faith and it is no different than all of the other blind faiths that have been demonstrated to other gods throughout the history of mankind. Preaching will do you know good. You have to provide evidence, of which you have none to support any of the claims you have made. I already know the rhetoric.
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
Jesus is the Key. He is the Truth. When you accept Him you will understand that God is Love.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
Not necessarily so. Thousands of other faiths feel their gods and belief system is accurate with the same intensity as you. Provide evidence for the things you say. If you just want to preach, you will be considered the same as preaching the merits of any of all of the other supposedly fictitious gods you are Atheist towards. Learn to defend the wild claims you make instead of merely making them. You only want to accept the positive attributes of God.
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
Another common question posed, not only from Atheist but many who just doubt.
I'm not here to claim any other false Gods, and the Caller and Matt are not discussing any other accept the Almighty.
Matt maybe well versed in the bible, but so was satan. He tempted Jesus with scriptures. I can memorize the Bible but It is futile unless I accept Jesus and live by his teachings.
I don't need to defend somthing I would happily do...share my faith.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011
How can Jesus, who is supposedly part of God be tempted by what was rightfully His anyway? Are you tempted by someone that offers you things you already possess? The stories in the bible aren't as wise as you claim. If you use critical analysis to many of the teachings in the bible, they unravel. If you find comfort in them, fine, but don't claim you have some knowledge that you don't possess. Find comfort in your faith, but at the end of the day, that's all you've got.
futurepsycdoc 4 months ago
@futurepsycdoc
Faith is all I need.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 I mentioned a long time ago that faith allows people to settle for less. You are living proof of my claim. You settle for less than the truth, because you are comfortable in your own little world. You also settle for less than morality, knowledge, and logic. You may be unable to accept this, but if you can't convince other people why this isn't true, then they have no reason to take you seriously. Think about that.
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm here to make aware that people have an important choice to make. If u want to find out the truth about our Lord Jesus Christ be humble and ask him urself or ask those who put faith in his EVERY word. No matter what Matt or Christians says it is a choice.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 How arrogant are you that you saying it's the nonbeliever's problem when you have no way to back up your claim? It's only truth if you can prove it, sir. If you are unwilling to prove it, then no one should take you seriously. I used to Christian. So was Matt. We asked. We got no reply. If you trust words in a book when they could have been distorted far beyond what Jesus actually said, then you worship the book and not the person.
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
Telling people that it is a CHOICE to follow JESUS is arrogant? Informing them that the best place to get thier answers would be Jesus himself or someone who wholeheartedly believes and is witness to the power and Love Jesus gives.
Following Christ takes faith not evidence. Faith that by accepting Jesus as ur Lord and savior. He will give u all the evidence you need. thats the hardest thing to accept. Look Jesus said many things it means nothing without FAITH.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Yes, it is arrogant because you are assuming they have the experiences to be qualified to make that choice. You can't tell people what they know.
Faith and not evidence, eh? You have admitted that faith is blind. You can have faith in anything in want. There is an equal chance of all beliefs being true, right? The comfortable quality makes it true, right? Wrong! Jesus won't give me evidence, because I can show evidence. He gives me nothing I can show to others to prove him.
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
Brother,
I can see you have concern for others this is very comendable... Jesus is not an object for show and tell. He is Love and salvation, God's gracful gift. It is a way of living, living in righteousness by faith. If you want physical evidence you wont get it from me.....I'm here to let you know that it is a choice...not to be arrogant, or tell people what to do but to empower you and everyone who has discernment about our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Ay yi yi! I never meant Jesus was show and tell. We are talking about a world-changing, life-altering idea! It will determine if people go to heaven or hell, including my loved ones. I have heard many times that doing good deeds according to Bible is no use if you don't believe in Jesus, so belief is most important. I have seen no physical, spiritual, OR philosophical evidence. By all practical purposes, I HAVE NO CHOICE. I CANNOT believe in him, because my brain forbids me.
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
I'll pray for you then brother, because I care and love you through Christ. That He strengthens your discernment and that He softens your heart. may He bless you brother. In Jesus name.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Whoa! What does my heart have anything to do with it?
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
everything brother,
Matthew 5: 3-20 Jesus sermon on the mount called beautitude
focusing on verse 8
God blesses those whose hearts are pure, for they will see God
-If you read these verses it will tells us how to be blessed by God. Blessed means more than happiness. It implies the fortunate or enviable state of those who are in God's kingdom. The Beatitudes don't promise laughter, pleasure or earthly prosperity. Being "blessed" by God means the experience of HOPE and JOY..continue
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 I have hope and joy. I just don't need God for it. I have family, an education, food, clothing, a place to live, and so forth. Life is good. I will appreciate it until I die.
You cannot say everyone who sees God has a pure heart, because some of the worst things possible have been done with visions. People have killed each other and killed themselves for God. You can argue they are being mislead, but how does one tell apart God from insanity?
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
Brother,
I am delighted to hear you have joy and hope.....I am glad you and your family is prosperous...I'm GLAD life is good.
You can argue they are being mislead, but how does one tell apart God from insanity?
-Matthew 7 :16
You can detect them by the way they act, just as you can identify a tree by it's fruit.
-religion can cause men to be motivated by fame, money and power. You can tell because they minimize Jesus in thier teacheing and Glorify themselves.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
....independent of outward experiences. To find hope and joy, the deepest form of happiness, follow Jesus no matter what the cost. These Beutitudes are not multiple choice---where u oick one and leave the rest. They must be taken as a whole. They describe what we should be like as we accept wholeheartedly to be followers of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Okay, you have no proof for any of your claims, but are spewing buzz words trying to confuse me. I will follow no one unless I am absolutely sure he exists an means well for me. The sureness does not come as a result of others telling me what to think, but from what I see, hear, feel, etc. I have not sensed God, and you have no right to tell me I have. How can you become a believer without being told to be a believer?
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n
Brother in no means Am I trying to confuse you please explain where you are confused so I can try to explain differently. I want you to discern EVERYTHING I SAY. I'm not motivated by prestige, power or to tell you I told you so. I follow the Jesus and that what you read is said from the HolySpirit inside me..out of Love for you brother, to serve YOU. I'm making you aware that this is God's word. Jesus is the "GOOD NEWS"------ the person and work of Jesus Christ.
RightouesPath2011 4 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Hope and joy are very abstract. I think I have them. You say I don't. If it takes a belief in God to have true hope and joy, then I will have to disagree. You say the Beatitudes promise hope and joy in heaven, but I do not know what you think hope and joy means, so I am not sold. How do you know it is Jesus' word as opposed to man's word and do not say because it is in the Bible, because that is a circular argument.
MunkyDrag0n 4 months ago
You know your screwed when the Atheist can quote the bible better then the Theist can XD.
Winterwolf00 5 months ago
so if god cannot be in the presence of sin....then why did god make sin a possiblity? the christian god anyway you slice it is a tyrannical, impotent angry "man" who is apparently a peeping tom, makes you think twice before going to the bathroom.
Medic1074 5 months ago
You going to question almighty God??? Even on judgment day when he gives you a re-run on your life you will have no defense to justify yourself if you die in your sins.The earthly man-made laws are what we control...After your dead,,,God has the last word. Its says this,,,it a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God.Hebrews 10-31.Means if your die in your sins...You have a grace period on earth! Not when your dead with God.End of the line my friend..Hell or Heaven,, eternity! yr choice...
flatop59 5 months ago
@flatop59 "You going to question almighty God???"
No, he's questioning *your god*. There are hundreds (actually thousands) of sects/denominations of different religions, each with their own version of god and their own doctrine and moral system. Why should yours be true, just because you believe it?
crapatev 5 months ago
Better then unjustifiably worldly judgement. Its is appointed for man to die once then the judgment.Hebrews 9-27...The final judgment no one escapes.
flatop59 5 months ago
@flatop59 except Yahwe, apparantly. Who judges the judge? Who watches the watcher?
You judge your version of your god to be good, despite all the evils he committed, unleashed, controlled and ordered in the book you think accurately descibes both reality and this god's character. If he exists at all, what gives this god the right to judge us? In what position? As father, as creator, as king, as general, as tyrant, as judge? He's a bad father, an incompetent creator and general immoral person
viridismonasteriense 5 months ago
Would have been better if you pointed out that God does tell people to kill, rape and sacrifice people without stopping them.
and @KidGloves2112 : LOL
slocal75 5 months ago
That theoretical question Matt proposed is so out of the realm of possibility. God would never ask someone to rape a 12 year old girl. However, raping a 12 year old boy, THAT is more his forte.
KidGloves2112 6 months ago
Judge dredd is not going to be a happy bunny!
ennuiross 7 months ago
@ennuiross
I AM THE LAW!!
bayouboyy 6 months ago
What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain(10 Commandments)? If yes, then you're a liar, thief, and a blasphemer in the sight of God. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent His Son Jesus to shed His blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus died for your sins,was buried & resurrected)you'll not perish & have eternal life
gramosjr7 7 months ago
@gramosjr7 Ok..... so what makes you think any of that is true? Lets say, for the sake of argument, that a god does exist and it is the christian god. How do you know any of what he says is true? Other than him telling you that things happened and that they were caused by him....... what evidence do you have to support his claims as true (other than your faith)? How do you know he is the only god? How do you know he isn't simply taking credit for the works of another god?
Ondrix 6 months ago
@gramosjr7
So god sacrificed HIMSELF to HIMSELF to appease HIMSELF because we can't live up to the ideals of a game he created and made the rules to? And lets say you do a bad deed or three, or even worse...DON"T BELIEVE, oh, then you go to hell. What a sweet, sweet.... and very sick story.
You have enough intelligence to form words together and type them, but not enough to see how absolutely stupid, primitive and disgusting your beliefs are. For humanity's sake, please don't reproduce.
easyas314 6 months ago
@gramosjr7
Have you ever told a child that santa is real, or made them believe it.
Because that's a lie buddy.
Guess we're all going to hell buddy.
thedutchman01 6 months ago
@gramosjr7 Have you ever enjoyed eating any kind of food before? Gluttony. Straight to hell. Have you ever looked at something that you've done and decided that you did a good job? Pride. Straight to hell. Have any of your friends had something that you really wanted? Envy. Straight to hell. Have you ever had a lazy day where you just hung around the house? Sloth. Straight to hell. We sin on a daily basis, it's extremely easy to do. People in every walk of life do it. Including you.
mrslash11 6 months ago
@gramosjr7 ahh, the Ray Comfort argument. Classic.
chocolate632 6 months ago
Apparently the normal marrying age for women at the time of jesus was 12. So, when god got Mary pregnant she was almost certainly a 12 year old kid.
lewisner 7 months ago
@lewisner
Not only that, but he just put the tip in, so she was still a virgin! I always wondered how she could still be a virgin after being married, but its not that big of a deal. Now God raping a women and forcing her to carry his child, now that is fucked up. Unless I missed the part about God asking her if he could pop one in her and Mary agreeing to this.
bayouboyy 6 months ago
@bayouboyy Well, in the bible she was "betrothed" to Joseph i.e engaged so she was single.Technically a woman loses her virginity when her Hymen is broken and of course having a baby breaks the Hymen. So she was a single non virgin and the bible says that women who lose their virginity before marriage should die.She got married to Joseph AFTER jesus was born. Its so messed up.
lewisner 6 months ago
I hate it when people don't get hypothetical questions.
asargentb 7 months ago
I swear it to your god?! Hahahaha
sl270703 7 months ago
It's a good thing they are doing exposing the contradictions and the absurdness of religion.
aboyborninjune 7 months ago
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check it out please.. /watch?v=jmyYAPeyfFY
and yeshu will save your life if you belive in him.. there will come many .. and no peace.. first the decieving.. and then if u stay with yehshu and DO NOT BELIVE IN THE DECIEVERS than u will see what's happening =)
belive me.. they wanna decieve me too men.. i am your proof.. let me be the one who tell you in the name of ישוע that they tried to decieve me haaard and badly.. but now .. i'm still praying to Ḡòḍ and belive in ישוע
ItalyStyler07 7 months ago
Hahaha, its funny how he doesn't even seem to (or want to) realize that thing a he says and thing b he says contradict each other
faarsight 8 months ago
Haha, when they pry it from my cold dead hands...or, more accurately, the cold dead, albeit SUPPLE hands of your wife.
PaladinHero 8 months ago
@ChannelTW ""god isnt in my body anywhere nor in anyone else's, except in the mind."" God is in your mind, and in your heart and everywhere. God is real. You can only experience that reality if you want to experience it.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
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Harold Camping was RIGHT about May 21, click on my channel to see...
youneekk 8 months ago
wow, this caller is fuckin confused.. he is regurjutating the stories directly from the bibble as if they are 100% fact.. he has NO CONSCIOUS THOUGHTS OF HIS OWN, AT ALL.
Fuck me this is the saddest thing I have seen today.
aegisgfx 8 months ago
This is another incredibly belief-shattering video, after "well I can hire someone to beat my dog so hell love me more but that isn't moral."
Daghead 8 months ago
@ChannelTW ""so your saying the bible isnt true?"" parts of the Bible are historical accounts, others are songs, others poetry, and others are fiction. The Bible is not a book, is a collection of books written by many men over many centuries. God inspiration is not a word by word dictation and anyone that tells you otherwise has not been truly inspired by our Lord. God was before religions, before the Bible and before man. God is real, you can know for sure this reality if you open your heart.
dejesusluisx 8 months ago
GOD WOULD NOT BE SENDING U TO HELL. U SEND URSELF TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN HIM N HIS WORD. AFTER U DENY HIM OVER N OVER DO U THINK U DERSERVE TO BE IN HIS KINGDOM.? DO U EVER SLEEP AT NIGHT N DOUBT URSELF N WONDER WHAT IF HE'S REAL, WHERE WOULD U SPEND UR ETERNITY?...
lisette88gonzalez 8 months ago
@lisette88gonzalez OH!!!! *Faceplam* You seem to be as brainwashed as the guy on the video! THE POINT IS WHOEVER SENDS ANYONE TO HELL DO YOU THINK THEY DESERVE IT FOR SIMPLE DISBELIEF? If you do think they deserve it then you are immoral.
greeny202a 8 months ago
@lisette88gonzalez
um.. are you serious or retarded.. can't tell
aegisgfx 8 months ago
Also God is God and not man. So can God tell someone to kill another? Very possibly. Is the state necessarily immoral because others to kill people? The state dos this in war and many states of the U.S do it for the punishment of crimes. So is going to war necessarily immoral? No. So why would God be immoral. Remember this is God and not just some person.
MrBlackhaw 8 months ago
He also the word murder for the hypo if God would have let Abraham go ahead with the sacrifice of Isaac. Murder is a vlaue judgement already. But again if God is the God of the Bible then he makes morality. So it would be moral and we could not judge that hypothetical morality by the real world's morality. it woud make no sense.
MrBlackhaw 8 months ago
The hypothetical is not fair. It is a trap and a debating technique. The problem with Matt is that if God is God then the caller is right because he is God and decides what is moral and what is not. BY his hypothetical situation then the only answer is that the caller would believe God. But then he will not allow that God would not ask something immoral. Again a trap question. That is all.
MrBlackhaw 8 months ago
Actually, they did an article about banning abortion even for raped victims because someone claimed "It would be the act of God the rape happened and that he works in ways we can't understand." I was like "WTF" when I read that article. I don't think people should use the bible as a source of evidence for explaining God. It was written by humans. But yes, we should probably start finding evidence to prove how he manifests. Evidence in the physical world, not based off a story.
darkchibicosmos 9 months ago
You are an atheist regarding God the way is described in the Bible. The perception of what God is or what God did or said might not be the same for a goat herder living 5,000 yrs ago to the one an intelligent person living in the 21st century might have. God is real, the dogmas that man through out ages had created might not be, but He is. God is a conscious being, and as such cannot be subject to study if he isn't a willing participant. If you want to know if God is real you need to experience
dejesusluisx 9 months ago
@dejesusluisx yay for imaginary friends.
ShroomFuu86 9 months ago
Tracy is pretty hot..
whitehaaji 9 months ago
I don't like this particular call because it immediately made Tracie Harris frown and that woman is too gorgeous and hersmile too radiant to be doused and smothered by the wet blanket of crappy opinions.
PaladinHero 9 months ago 32
@PaladinHero yes it sucks when shes not smiling. she has a wonderful smile
itsuyo211 9 months ago
@PaladinHero Hands off the dick. Right now.
RamoneHoffman 8 months ago
@PaladinHero
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrApostleLee 5 months ago
@PaladinHero There certainly are some strange people on Youtube.
PrivateJoker17 5 months ago
@lesshultz You're already are an atheist. Do you believe in Allah, because if you don't you're an Atheist.
You also mention that you don't fear death, well you fear your God. We don't fear either. How's that for a double whammy.
spmcd2001 9 months ago
If god is the ultimate judge then what's the purpose of life? In other words, why couldn't he just send us to heaven or hell without 'life'? It seems to me that humans should be the ultimate judge seeing as we have to overcome his obstacles he places in front of us. Why does 'god' have to just sit on his fat ass all day while watching us live out our lives and trying to overcome his 'obstacles'? To me god is lazy and is tempting us by not destroying evil.
FallofDarkness55 9 months ago
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What happens to victims from the holocaust the Spanish inquisition the crusades and Darfour. Do they go to hell cause they didn't accept Jesus
TylerBates94 9 months ago
@lesshultz Apparently you are into misogyny. P.S. I've heard you're "band" and I sure hope you plan on keeping your day job.
Anyhoo you don;t have to worry about BECOMING a jerk, you've demonstrably made that grade.
moopism 9 months ago
Christian belief is not christian belife, it's only one by one, yes, one by one human pushed to death, without our conciousness, there is an answer to this, this is too little sick, to know, true is not what our minds are thinking, more and more you can get of this, but we are humans, we oppose to others at the beginning, then chaos is done, think what you believe? no, think what you feel you are, without any influences because you are one within. Is religion really means something for you? NO.
Rovization 9 months ago
LOL omg he cant wrap his head around a SIMPLE question. He is scared to death to admit it. God want you to rape that girl the answer is yes you would and thats all you need to prove that worshiping a god is a bad idea.
Terlin1466 10 months ago
matt goes into prof x bible mode around 2 minutes. pretty nice
mogghee 10 months ago
Notice that Matt doesn't even need to open the book and the "christian" needs to go digging.
MrMZaccone 10 months ago
"I swear to your god, you did not get my point" hahaha
scotchlouis 10 months ago
Argument winner: Atheist
Progress made: 0
Khyrid 10 months ago
I could present this viewers idea. God has allot of power, he is the judge that finaly accepts everything, he has so much power that speaking out against him will get you smashed. So whatever you says you just better be ok with it. If you are not ok with it just shut up and pretend to agree.
gulbirk 10 months ago
The cognitive dissonance that must have been ringing in that caller's head must have been deafening.
I cannot believe the machinations that people will go through to maintain their self-contradictory fantasies.
kshackleton 11 months ago
Tracy is attractive, in fact, Matt is as well.
Jussimania 11 months ago
Uh oh, I'm actually starting to like the opening song!
mrshaunce 11 months ago
Lol, the Euthyphro argument. Hard for any Christian to not sound like a babbling moron.
Deathmint401 11 months ago
Just an aside, because I didn't hear Matt say it, but at least in the case of Abraham attempting to kill his son Isaac because attempted murder is a criminal act too. So actually, even though God technically didn't order Abraham to murder (if we assume God knew all along) he still convinced him to do something criminal by western standards.
TheFortressMaximus 11 months ago
@TheFortressMaximus Not to mention conspiracy to commit murder is also a crime that'll get you in trouble.
ArgueExplain 11 months ago
@ArgueExplain That wouldn't apply here. Conspiracies would have to involve two or more people, and God wouldn't count. Although maybe if you were a skillful prosecutor you could get him on a conspiracy charge only if you could sell his imaginary friend as a second person to the jury. Yes, God is an imaginary friend in our court system...ironic, isn't it.
TheFortressMaximus 10 months ago
What Matt and Tracie are missing is NOT morality, but their sense of superiority over God. This is the same issue that Satan has: believes he is morally superior and can question God's motives. Satan has always tried to ascend above God both morally and intellectually. What most Christians believe (including me) is that "God is Love" (1 John 4:8) and also the bible says "Love is not self-seeking" (1 Cor 13:5) Therefore all God's actions, must be for the benefit and best interest of all mankind.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 When your god flooded the world, committing global infanticide and leaving behind piles of bloated dead babies, I suppose you see that as perfect love in action. All of that misery and death, as long as it comes from your god, represents to you the epitome of beautiful, moral perfection. After all, your wonderful god could never do anything evil, could he? Christianity is truly disgusting for how it desensitizes people to the suffering of others. 'Cause they had it coming, right?
thirdleftturn 11 months ago
@thirdleftturn It is apparent you have NOT read the Bible or if you have; then you missed some major parts or points. When America joined the WWII and decided to fight Nazis. I would say the Nazis were the evil ones, right? We CAN focus on the daylight USAF bombing runs against Germany that killed thousands of German civilians (men, women and children). Was America the evil one? NO! The flooding was to destroy evil corrupt men/women beyond hope, but ALL children and babies go straight to heaven.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 There are no winners in war. America has done evil acts. America did a evil act in those day light bombing runs. Sometimes you have to do bad things to stop bad people. God did a bad thing and therefore is no longer good.
peoplearemessedup 11 months ago
@yhenry77 The difference is that your god supposedly has the infinite power, wisdom, and benevolence to come up with a better solution if he wanted to do so. He chose worldwide cruelty and death. Why do you think that someone like that makes a good role model for people to look up to?
thirdleftturn 11 months ago
@thirdleftturn The world was so corrupt with evil, that God was forced into action. You forget about freewill and God will not force anyone to be with HIM in heaven. These evil, corrupt people; that being with God was the last thing they wanted to do. God will not allow Satan (evil) to interfere with our freewill either; that is why he allowed the flood to happen. His solution allows men and women to accept HIM without interfering with our freewill. He is protecting your eternal choice. Be wise.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 You believe that people forced god to kill them? Does he not have free will himself? Was he too stupid to come up with any better solution? You are displaying a perfect example of just how perverted and depraved Christianity is in how it defines good and evil. For you, simply not believing in your ancient deity is an evil, abominable act worthy of horrible punishment. But slaughtering children in their cribs is an act of goodness by a god who loves them. That's messed up.
thirdleftturn 11 months ago
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yhenry77 11 months ago
@thirdleftturn I don't understand your issues? It's obvious you don't want anything to do with God; so what are you asking? You want God to force ALL (including you) to heaven, when you die? Keep in mind you spend time worshipping HIM; I don't think so. God did have a better solution a long time ago in the Garden of Eden. We know the story: they sinned and mankind is paying for it. It was rebellion that brought it on, with the help of Satan. There is no middle ground are you for God or against.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 You said that it is wrong for Matt and Tracie to believe that they are morally superior to Yahweh. Here is what I am asking. If a god is fully capable of resolving issues in a peaceful manner, yet instead makes a habit of problem solving in ways that necessitate unspeakable human suffering, why do you believe that such a god is morally superior to someone who is raised in a culture filled with bigotry and prejudice, yet rejects those, finding the suffering of others to be appalling?
thirdleftturn 11 months ago
@thirdleftturn I know God can take out anyone, towns and cities he wants. Personally, I wonder why he puts up with mankind who doubts his true motives. It's like teenagers and parents there comes time when teenagers doubt parent's motives. The teenager will probably not appreciate their parents, until they get much older or have kids of their own. You look at God the same way, but billions of Christians have a different view. The Christian see a God of love, only looking out for the best for us.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is inspired by God." Psalm 137:9, "Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them on the rocks." Do you really not find it twisted and sick to say that a god who promises to bless people for taking babies and smashing in their brains is a god of love? Unfortunately, you can't see anything wrong with that. Christianity at its core is evil in that it promotes hatefulness and cruelty under the title of 'Love', making good people callous.
thirdleftturn 11 months ago
@thirdleftturn "Why is my lord weeping?" asked Hazael. "Because I know the harm you will do to the Israelites," he answered. "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open their pregnant women." 2 Kings 8:12 Being "happy" has nothing do with killing of children, but fulfilling of prophecy. The same will happen at End of Days, when the world suffers from terrible wrath of God, but Christians will rejoice.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 Yes, Elisha wept for the killing of Israelite children. The verse I gave was about your god promising to bless Israelites who killed Edomite children.
thirdleftturn 11 months ago
@thirdleftturn I know, that is why we call it prophecy.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 Then your idea of love is for god to inspire someone to prophesy about murdering babies, then bless people for murdering babies, because it fulfills the prophecy about murdering babies that he inspired?
thirdleftturn 11 months ago
@yhenry77 - Common sense dictates that the unborn, the infant, and young children have not had the time or the life experience necessary to understand the requirements of salvation. They are certainly not able to understand the awesome implications or responsibilities of making a covenant with God. Therefore, the spiritual condition of the unborn, the infant, and young children is the same as any unconverted person who has never had the opportunity for salvation.
lobothesacred3 11 months ago
@lobothesacred3 - God will only grant immortality and eternal life after a person goes through the process of conversion. The unborn, the infant, and young children who die before the return of Christ will be resurrected in the resurrection of "The Rest of the Dead". Those who remain alive at his coming will live into the first thousand years of Christ's reign and have their opportunity for salvation at that time.
Source: biblestudy org basicart do-babies-go-right-to-heaven-when-they-die html
lobothesacred3 11 months ago
@lobothesacred3 Well thought out question, "Then they also brought infants to Him that He might touch them; but when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to Him and said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God." Luke 18:16-17 We all have an age of accountability, when we are faced with sin (told our first lie or stole something). Children, babies are not under the law, because they have not the knowledge of sin.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 - "Children, babies are not under the law, because they have not the knowledge of sin."
Yet, your doctrine clearly teaches that these babies are sinners and are worthy of hell unless they acknowledge Christ as their lord and savior. Do not forget that these infants are still considered guilty of original sin. And, if they are guilty of original sin then they are born as sinners.
lobothesacred3 11 months ago
@lobothesacred3 - Your response also only further complicates the issues. Because I looked at a few sources on this issue, and all three of them disagree on how this issue is dealt with. You only saw me provide one answer. One of them seems to agree with your stance directly. But the other seems they go to a limbo to grow up for a 100 years and then choose to accept God or not. And, some people seem to suggest that infants have the power of reincarnation at a chance for salvation.
lobothesacred3 11 months ago
@lobothesacred3 - The frustration is only further increased by all of these idea being presented with different parts of scripture being used to back one argument or the other. In fact, some sides will directly attack the others by referencing scriptures to contradict the other ideas.
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yhenry77 11 months ago
@lobothesacred3 Yet, your doctrine? I assume you mean the Christian doctrine. Yes there is original sin, but that is past down from one (human) generation to the next. Where in the scriptures do you get "babies are sinners"? Yes I agree they have potential to commit sin, but until they realize WHAT IT IS; they cannot. That is why the mentally handicap also are not under law either. Ask any Christian preacher about the age of accountability; I think it will help you with the scripture confusion.
yhenry77 11 months ago
@yhenry77 - Part 1
Actually some would disagree with you that the age of accountability is a scriptural based belief.
"Whenever we create an emotional, non-biblical doctrine it will continue to be embellished and then entrenched as a believable doctrine. We need to accept what God has written on this subject and not circumvent it with emotions."
lobothesacred3 11 months ago
@lobothesacred3 - Part 2
"We must always keep in mind that sin is universal whereas salvation is not, meaning everyone has sin but not everyone is saved and that includes babies since they too are part of the sin cursed human race. "
Source: scionofzion com age htm
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