@hdregmore I ask "what religion are you?" out of curiosity of your belief because I have to assume that you are a religious person who is against Atheists. I do not have a religion I myself am an Atheist, I have personal reasons for this. If you meant my comment was "playful humor", I am afraid you are mistaken. My comment was to ascertain whether this video was made to be against, to insult, and etc. Atheists, or was a satirical video about it and was actually against religion.
@Lone77Wolf I am not particularly religious. The video is what it is. An atheist's response to jokes being made about atheism. It is a change from the usual YT videos where atheists are belittling religious people.I have nothing against people who have decided upon atheism for personal reasons (sorry if that sounds condescending).
@hdregmore OH SHIT! We wouldn't want people with opposing views expressing their opinion would we? Shit then we might LEARN something! You're disgusting.
You do realise that in this day and age it is possible for me to keep a record of everything we have said don't you? I can put this argument in context no matter how many times you try to censor the comments. You just picking the ones you want to quote mine and misrepresent me (doesn't it say somewhere "thou shalt not bear false witness?) are very easy to point out to everyone else with just a modicum of critical thinking.
@ptango101 Are you suggesting that someone else must have "a modicum of critical thinking"?
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
Listen darling, I only remove comments that are disrespectful to religion. Now you may say that I am a hypocrite in reference to the content of the video and that's fine. the rules of the forums are clearly posted on my channel page.
Run along now dear for it must be way past your bedtime.
@hdregmore SIgh... Did you find my anecdotes offensive did you? Could you point out to me what I said that wasn't a fair assessment of the general mindset of Joe blogs christian? I would prefer this to the censorship. Lets face it, you have posted your videos in a forum that encourages reply. Not liking the reply is not an excuse to censor it. Just sayin'
@hdregmore Removing it is censorship. You had a video that was a two and a half minute diatribe about the stupidity of atheism but when I started doing the same thing to you you got all offended. I meant to be pejorative because you were doing the same thing that you were accusing me of. There is a word for that.
The hypocrisy drips of you like the semen on your chin after you finished work down at the bus stop. Your ilk is the reason I am disrespectful to your small minded, petty little religion. wankers. lmfao!
Seriously, what the hell was this about?? I thought it might be funny at first, but when I looked and saw all the thumbs down, I thought it would be stupid and offensive, but I watched the whole thing, and it wasn't even that... the jokes weren't offensive, they just didn't make a lick of sense.. these aren't even Atheist jokes, these are just incoherent one liners with Atheist characters involved...
The jokes fit into the ongoing story of Dudley Dorkfingers. I was not looking for the best atheist jokes in the world. In any case most atheists are unable to accept the comedy in their own philosophy.
Perhaps you should look elsewhere for ones that conform to your taste.
"This isn't funny. What is the point of this video?"
It shows how dumb theists are, because they somehow find this shit funny. But that';s not suprising, considering the primitive superstitious fairytales they unquestioningly accept as 'true' (they have a different definition of that word than the rest of us)
This video is probably quite 'edgy' and 'cool' to the Amish kid who made it.
You talk about disrespect and then make a video full of jokes allegedly full of jokes about how dumb atheists are...? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? I say allegedly because I only got two of the jokes, and found neither amusing. Maybe that's just me and most of the other people here.
@boochainletters12 Yes, I admit to being hypocritical. It is part of a personal effort to display that atheists are in no way superior in intelligence than theists. That is also displayed in the forums. By comparison on youtube there are many, many more videos belittling religious people produced by atheists.
@hdregmore Yeah, I think that's probably the first place that we've agreed so far, there are far more atheist videos around youtube. At the same time I've noticed a lot of Christians displaying their hatred on some of those videos, particularly commonly telling us that we are going to hell. However in my experience, there are far more theists out there belittling atheists in real life, so I guess it balances out.
@boochainletters12 I agree in regard to the atheist / theist media and personal hatred . in my opinion there is no one on earth that can tell you if you are going to "hell". That is if such a physical place does exist. And I believe that a truly religious person would never make such an assertion. They should be referred to the biblical quotation "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." In which case many priests should hang their heads in shame
What do you propose for addressing irrationality? Since, I dare say that both groups are calling the other irrational...and this is the heart of the matter - is it not?
@hdregmore Maybe I missed the point... I assumed the video was about the mockery that is made at the expense of Christians. The continuous snide comments that individuals make on both sides, which does not really address anything... just insulting demeaning sh***... So, I ask that for a better interaction or at least your ideas of redress of this kinda of junk...
@MyContext I agree. However I created this channel because I was fed up with the abuse and mockery of atheists. I always hold out every hope of having a civil and meaningful discussion with atheists regarding topics that would benefit both sides of the debate. However that usually moves to disrespectful analogies or venomous remarks regarding belief and it all ends.
My aim is to make atheists understand that religious people "switch off" when this behaviour is presented.
@hdregmore You really should add that to your profile. The amount of ignorance on both sides of the discussion is quite huge...and quietly is not the discussion itself, but the backdrop behind the discussion that is at issue...
@MyContext I believe that it actually IS the problem. And as you say on both sides. The debate on the existence of God is never ending and there are valid points for both sides of the argument. The atheist is driven by ego and denial of any information that may constitute proof of a creator. The believer is driven by faith and does not require materialistic evidence, they rely on personal experience outcomes.
@hdregmore The depiction [ego & denial] you have given is not my perspective nor that of most atheists that I know, however, you are suggesting something that you claim is generally acceptable by believers (at least for the claim of god) that is unacceptable in general across the board for atheists - that being - if a claim does not have support it is not acceptable.
@MyContext The more fantastic the claim...the higher the standard of evidence... This is indeed a fundamental problem of perspective...since, the believers take the atheist stance as arrogance (& ego as you said...probably in general) and the atheist look at believers as being well less than reasonable...
@MyContext The atheist does not accept personal proof. The believer does not care about empirical evidence. And so the disjointed debate goes on. If believers can somehow hold dearer the information that is presented by atheists and if atheists can attempt to understand the view of personal outcomes of believers, then there may be an accord. The main problems are -
Atheist disrespect leading to religious disconnection
@hdregmore This is fundamentally ugly... I do have notions of what people mean when they say spiritual, however, nothing about it seems to be anything more than feelings of some special sort. What do you mean when you say spirituality?
@MyContext Well there is your disconnect. You believe that the outcomes of religious processes, which is basic spirituality are just "special feelings" along the lines of delusions or imaginings. That is simply not true. And in response I can say to you that the material world is actually the delusions and imaginings of worldly atheists. That is according to quantum theory.
@hdregmore My disconnect... Given that the foundation upon which we think is effectively alien, I thought I would just go for understanding, since it it obvious that there is no basis for a debate but discussion of points of perspective seems at least doable. So, could you explain spirituality? Since, you indicate that my notion of it is wrong.
@MyContext I have. In the context of what we are discussing it is the outcomes of the religious process.
Your failure to understand that is obviously because you do not know of these outcomes. If you are looking for material descriptions of what spirituality is then by the very definition that is not possible. I sense a hint sarcasm in your tone. Have you followed any religious principles and studied any theology?
@hdregmore No sarcasm... I honestly don't get it... I hear some speak of it in a way that sounds like a special feeling others speak of it as a special experience - this is from a variety of people of different religious and philosophical tendencies. There are plenty of people like me - who don't get what is being spoken of...some fake it... Study what exactly - it is not experienced universally and not even in the same manner. Checking neurology next... What is your experience?
@MyContext Well as I have mentioned "Checking neurology " is empirical. The outcomes of the religious process is understanding God, yourself and your place in the universe. It involves following the regulative principles of a religion and studying it under correct guidance.
It is possible that these experiences activate certain areas of the brain however that is inconsequential to the outcome. Have you been involved deeply with a major religion? Have you studied much religious text?
@hdregmore Honestly, religious claims do not make sense to me. I have studied plenty - I actually know the bible better than most people who claim to be believers.
There are people who claim the same things, but it doesn't seem to be connected to any religion. So, I am left with reviewing what is claimed and checking for similarities, since, I do not even know whether I have experienced something similar yet, my way of describing/experience bears no resemblance to others (to my knowledge).
@MyContext Well there is a difference between reading religious texts and understanding their true purport. That is only part of the process. In my experience the way to study religion in order to gain the outcomes is -
1) To study the religious text under authoritative guidance
2) Follow the regulative principles involved
3) Engage in prayer or equivalent reverent petition
There is no shortcut, just as there is no shortcut to any discipline.
@hdregmore There are so many interpretations possible for any religious text. Everyone is claiming that their particular perspective is true, I don't find any of it true. So, I am not going for the backdrop of why and I am focusing on the qualitative aspects that may mean something at some point in time... So, I ask what is your experience of spirituality - and granted it maybe as pointless as explaining sight to a blind man, but I asking anyway...
@MyContext Here's some notables to go with my request... I am aware that one's perspective changes how many things are viewed. Since, I have rarely seen anything that I called brave that I couldn't also call foolhardy. Is giving money helping a person or crippling a person? Perspective changes how everything looks when there are few, obscure, and/or extraordinary details...
@MyContext "There are so many interpretations possible for any religious text."
That is why it is necessary to get authoritative interpretation. i have had some really twisted meanings of scripture asserted by atheists on these forums. Real Jonestown stuff. The process relating to a religion must be followed. Correct parampara ensures that the correct purport is always given.
@hdregmore There are many claimed authorities, however, I have no basis by which to assert that anyone is an authority. So, I am left with what is claimed in all the degrees that I hear the material. The claims are varying degrees of extremely twisted (at least from my perspective) to something of the sublime (my again)...
I can't assume time and changes of authorities makes anything more true, although I am biased towards the idea...
@MyContext "it maybe as pointless as explaining sight to a blind man"
It can be like that. Quite often it is explained with the metaphor of asking someone to open a door and walk outside. The main thing to understand is that it is not material, and that everything you know about material nature is merely an illusion. This makes explaining spirituality very hard, especially when ego is involved.
@hdregmore Assuming the a person isn't lying, I can only assert that the experience is always real to the experiencer regardless of whether anyone else accepts the notion of the person ever having the experience. Our personal black box for which no one else currently has access...
@MyContext You are correct in saying that it is a personal experience that is understood by the individual. However it is also a universal experience in that he/she comes to understand life and something that can be shared with all. It is very hard to explain. I suppose one way of explaining it is to liken it to a computer connection or link with not only other people (and all life) but also with the server (which is God).
@hdregmore That is another commonality that people (No particular group or belief system) claim..which I can relate to however it is different in some manner that I can't put my finger on... There is one group that DOES NOT seem to have this commonality (at least I haven't seen it or I am biased in a way that prevents me from seeing it) - there very rare few that seem to have the answer to the exclusion of all other possibilities... Most have various doubts even if not expressed...
@MyContext What are these doubts? (I ask respectfully). By it's very nature faith can create doubts regarding your position in respect to God. This was shown by the release of mother Teresa's diaries where she was doubting her faith. That is part of the relationship that you have with God. It is the necessity of humbling yourself. In fact Hindu worshipers often chant that they are low as the straw in the street or have little faith or redeeming attributes. It is a form of obeisance.
@hdregmore The people who seem to have NO doubts AT ALL have been people that I had no point of even feeling there was an aspect of which I could relate with them... It is NOT the same as the arrogant $#&)(%&#)(. If I run into another, I will make a point of figuring out this incredible chasm of disconnect that I feel with them... Which is different from people I disagree with regardless of degree - I might get REALLY pissed, but there is still a point of understanding in there...
@bocckoka No, you need to be told when you are disrespectful and abusive. It is the only way that atheists like yourself will learn to present arguments civilly.
It is sad that you cannot do that. You automatically lose.
@hdregmore you don't have to deal with uncivil arguments, therefore you automatically win. clap, clap, clap. anyway, there are mounts of civil arguments out there (some of them were put forward by me) that are still - and will ever be - without a valid answer, so i can afford the luxury of calling you a fucker.
i hope you never ever noticed that atheists never used Hitler as an argument. that is out of class for us.
@bocckoka Run away idiot. That's all you have, empty abuse and no argument. What about all the atheistic shit on the net about Hitler being religious? Perhaps you are a blind atheist? No, I think ignorant is more to the point.
If you cannot present an argument without abuse then it simply shows that you are unwilling to accept any counter argument and that you are simply an arrogant ignorant atheist.
@hdregmore Even though there is no documented proof that he did so in the name of atheism. Only that he was trying to spread it. As if it was needed. But to continue, or that a Catholic killed six million Jewish people in the name of God.
@bocckoka As in the leader of the Soviet Union which was the first state to have as an ideological objective of the elimination of religion and replacing it with atheism as a fundamental ideological goal?
@hdregmore how is it relevant that both were atheists? they both saw the same problem, but Jefferson trusted that the people were smart enough to outgrow it (they werent), while Stalin did some good old fashioned persecution.
@bocckoka "Jefferson rejected the orthodox Christianity of his day and was especially hostile to the Catholic Church as he saw it operate in France. Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, biblical study, and morality. As a landowner he played a role in governing his local Episcopal Church; in terms of belief he was inclined toward the religious philosophy of Christianity"
The black box is in reference to atheists being in a denial (in a dark room and not looking out). There are cartoons where they are depicted that way.
@feralaesthetic That's strange atheists continually tell me that atheism has nothing to do with science.
Please tell me who all these scientists are? Considering that atheism is running at about 15% of the population they must be a very small but boisterous minority.
@hdregmore 95% of scientists are atheists. But I think you fail to realize, 15% of 6 billion is a large number. The largest minority by far, I believe. And atheism doesn't have much to do with science. Apart from that.
But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a woman: 1. He had to feed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was no good. 2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it. 3. Even when he was dead, He had to get up because there was more work for Him to do.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian: 1. He never cut his hair. 2. He walked around barefoot all the time. 3. He started a new religion. But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish: 1. He never got married. 2. He was always telling stories. 3. He loved green pastures.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Jewish: 1. He went into His Fathers business. 2. He lived at home until he was 33. 3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his mother was sure he was God.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian: 1. He talked with his hands. 2. He had wine with every meal. 3. He used olive oil.
@hdregmore What religion are you? and I am assuming this videos is against atheism and satirical.
Lone77Wolf 1 month ago
@Lone77Wolf Why? What religion are you? I am assuming that your comment is simple facetiousness.
hdregmore 1 month ago
@hdregmore I ask "what religion are you?" out of curiosity of your belief because I have to assume that you are a religious person who is against Atheists. I do not have a religion I myself am an Atheist, I have personal reasons for this. If you meant my comment was "playful humor", I am afraid you are mistaken. My comment was to ascertain whether this video was made to be against, to insult, and etc. Atheists, or was a satirical video about it and was actually against religion.
Lone77Wolf 1 month ago
@Lone77Wolf I am not particularly religious. The video is what it is. An atheist's response to jokes being made about atheism. It is a change from the usual YT videos where atheists are belittling religious people.I have nothing against people who have decided upon atheism for personal reasons (sorry if that sounds condescending).
I think the vdeo is a great laugh.
hdregmore 1 month ago
@ moopism Your comment on my video " Atheist Stand-Up with Fred Snurke - Atheism Fails" has been rejected for the following reason –
It contained no argument or valid criticism and was small-minded and uninteresting drivel.
I also notice that you are unable to produce anything with any equal or greater quality to my
work.
If I were you I would stick to just watching videos.
hdregmore 2 months ago
@shraka I have no idea what you were attempting to imply, however it was probably disrespectful to religion
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You are acting like a troll.
hdregmore 4 months ago
@hdregmore OH SHIT! We wouldn't want people with opposing views expressing their opinion would we? Shit then we might LEARN something! You're disgusting.
shraka 4 months ago
@shraka Than you for your disjointed opinion.
Perhaps you should go to some other youtube cartoon and abuse their efforts. It would appear that is how you get your jollies.
Which makes you the one who is disgusting.
hdregmore 4 months ago
@hdregmore Do you even know what disjointed means?
shraka 4 months ago
@shraka Do you even know what opposing means?
hdregmore 4 months ago
@hdregmore Yes of course.
shraka 4 months ago
@shraka Your attempt in jest was not funny
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Perhaps you should study up on Pagan Greeks and other human sacrifice rituals.
hdregmore 4 months ago
@ptango101 You are not even trying are you?
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Wake Up Atheism.
hdregmore 4 months ago
You do realise that in this day and age it is possible for me to keep a record of everything we have said don't you? I can put this argument in context no matter how many times you try to censor the comments. You just picking the ones you want to quote mine and misrepresent me (doesn't it say somewhere "thou shalt not bear false witness?) are very easy to point out to everyone else with just a modicum of critical thinking.
ptango101 4 months ago
@ptango101 Are you suggesting that someone else must have "a modicum of critical thinking"?
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
Listen darling, I only remove comments that are disrespectful to religion. Now you may say that I am a hypocrite in reference to the content of the video and that's fine. the rules of the forums are clearly posted on my channel page.
Run along now dear for it must be way past your bedtime.
hdregmore 4 months ago
@hdregmore SIgh... Did you find my anecdotes offensive did you? Could you point out to me what I said that wasn't a fair assessment of the general mindset of Joe blogs christian? I would prefer this to the censorship. Lets face it, you have posted your videos in a forum that encourages reply. Not liking the reply is not an excuse to censor it. Just sayin'
ptango101 4 months ago
@ptango101 No. It has been deleted. Control yourself and I won't have to delete any more.
It was nothing to do with "not liking" anything. It is forum rules.
Go post somewhere else if you cannot handle it.
hdregmore 4 months ago
@ptango101 I have had enough of your abusive nonsense.
You are obviously a simpleton.
Have a great life if deluded nihilistic denial.
hdregmore 4 months ago
"You are obviously a sick little individual who only gains enjoyment from attempting to defile others."
Really? Then what is the object of your video? Were you trying to be nice to people who don't believe what you believe?
Theists are like criminals that call the police when victims fight back.
ptango101 4 months ago
If you are a poe just admit it. If you really stand behind the things you say then admit it. If this video is satire then I will leave.
ptango101 4 months ago
@ptango101 You are right. You wrote inaccurate rubbish about Christians again.
So I have to remove it.
Why not have the courage to stand by YOUR comment. In or out of context it is deplorable.
hdregmore 4 months ago
@hdregmore Removing it is censorship. You had a video that was a two and a half minute diatribe about the stupidity of atheism but when I started doing the same thing to you you got all offended. I meant to be pejorative because you were doing the same thing that you were accusing me of. There is a word for that.
ptango101 4 months ago
@hdregmore How can I stand by a comment that is not posted? to only post part of my response is wrong on so many levels
ptango101 4 months ago
@ptango101 Wrote disrespectful nonsense about Christians
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Move along foolish one.
hdregmore 4 months ago
The hypocrisy drips of you like the semen on your chin after you finished work down at the bus stop. Your ilk is the reason I am disrespectful to your small minded, petty little religion. wankers. lmfao!
ptango101 4 months ago
@ptango101 Wow, now we are seeing the true mentality and morality of atheism.
You must be so proud of this particular comment.
I will leave it here and refer your brethren to it when they insist that the conduct of the atheist is always exemplary.
You are obviously a sick little individual who only gains enjoyment from attempting to defile others.
How sad. Go and hang your head in shame.
hdregmore 4 months ago
@ptango101 Wrote disrespectful nonsense about religion
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You were not doing anything of any consequence with your time anyway.
hdregmore 4 months ago
Seriously, what the hell was this about?? I thought it might be funny at first, but when I looked and saw all the thumbs down, I thought it would be stupid and offensive, but I watched the whole thing, and it wasn't even that... the jokes weren't offensive, they just didn't make a lick of sense.. these aren't even Atheist jokes, these are just incoherent one liners with Atheist characters involved...
Robertz1986 4 months ago
@Robertz1986 Welcome to the wonderful world of innovative and eclectic humour.
It is not my concern if your taste is in your arse.
Then again atheists can rarely laugh at themselves.
So I will do it for you.
Bawahahahahahahahahaha
hdregmore 4 months ago
This video, it sucks.
AdNeeb 4 months ago
Why did I watch all the way through this video?
I am an atheist, but I love a good joke, and since you don't really hear atheist jokes all that often I was looking forward to this.
These jokes however are bizarre and non-nonsensical; Surely you could have found some good atheist jokes out there on the web somewhere.
Quimbyrbg 4 months ago
@Quimbyrbg What does non-nonsensical mean?
The jokes fit into the ongoing story of Dudley Dorkfingers. I was not looking for the best atheist jokes in the world. In any case most atheists are unable to accept the comedy in their own philosophy.
Perhaps you should look elsewhere for ones that conform to your taste.
hdregmore 4 months ago
@hdregmore lol "non-nonsensical" means I need more sleep :)
I went looking for better atheist jokes and found this -> watch?v=HHtuRDGZnzc (hopefully this works, Youtube is a bit dodgy with links)
There are some really good stuff on that video, you should check it out.
Quimbyrbg 4 months ago
@Brotherinchrist1985
"This isn't funny. What is the point of this video?"
It shows how dumb theists are, because they somehow find this shit funny. But that';s not suprising, considering the primitive superstitious fairytales they unquestioningly accept as 'true' (they have a different definition of that word than the rest of us)
This video is probably quite 'edgy' and 'cool' to the Amish kid who made it.
AsDeadAsDillinger 4 months ago
You talk about disrespect and then make a video full of jokes allegedly full of jokes about how dumb atheists are...? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? I say allegedly because I only got two of the jokes, and found neither amusing. Maybe that's just me and most of the other people here.
boochainletters12 5 months ago in playlist More videos from hdregmore
@boochainletters12 Yes, I admit to being hypocritical. It is part of a personal effort to display that atheists are in no way superior in intelligence than theists. That is also displayed in the forums. By comparison on youtube there are many, many more videos belittling religious people produced by atheists.
hdregmore 5 months ago
@hdregmore Yeah, I think that's probably the first place that we've agreed so far, there are far more atheist videos around youtube. At the same time I've noticed a lot of Christians displaying their hatred on some of those videos, particularly commonly telling us that we are going to hell. However in my experience, there are far more theists out there belittling atheists in real life, so I guess it balances out.
boochainletters12 5 months ago
@boochainletters12 I agree in regard to the atheist / theist media and personal hatred . in my opinion there is no one on earth that can tell you if you are going to "hell". That is if such a physical place does exist. And I believe that a truly religious person would never make such an assertion. They should be referred to the biblical quotation "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." In which case many priests should hang their heads in shame
(But that is simply my humble opinion)
hdregmore 5 months ago
@Brotherinchrist1985 You have answered your own dumb question. It's just a bunch of jokes about how dumb atheists are.
It is 100 times better than most atheist videos on youtube that make fun of theists.
Any chance of your nonsensical comments ceasing to happen?
hdregmore 5 months ago
@Brotherinchrist1985 Of course it is funny. Watch it again.
hdregmore 5 months ago 2
What do you propose for addressing irrationality? Since, I dare say that both groups are calling the other irrational...and this is the heart of the matter - is it not?
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext How does that relate to a cartoon about atheist jokes?
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore Maybe I missed the point... I assumed the video was about the mockery that is made at the expense of Christians. The continuous snide comments that individuals make on both sides, which does not really address anything... just insulting demeaning sh***... So, I ask that for a better interaction or at least your ideas of redress of this kinda of junk...
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext I agree. However I created this channel because I was fed up with the abuse and mockery of atheists. I always hold out every hope of having a civil and meaningful discussion with atheists regarding topics that would benefit both sides of the debate. However that usually moves to disrespectful analogies or venomous remarks regarding belief and it all ends.
My aim is to make atheists understand that religious people "switch off" when this behaviour is presented.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore You really should add that to your profile. The amount of ignorance on both sides of the discussion is quite huge...and quietly is not the discussion itself, but the backdrop behind the discussion that is at issue...
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext I believe that it actually IS the problem. And as you say on both sides. The debate on the existence of God is never ending and there are valid points for both sides of the argument. The atheist is driven by ego and denial of any information that may constitute proof of a creator. The believer is driven by faith and does not require materialistic evidence, they rely on personal experience outcomes.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore The depiction [ego & denial] you have given is not my perspective nor that of most atheists that I know, however, you are suggesting something that you claim is generally acceptable by believers (at least for the claim of god) that is unacceptable in general across the board for atheists - that being - if a claim does not have support it is not acceptable.
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext The more fantastic the claim...the higher the standard of evidence... This is indeed a fundamental problem of perspective...since, the believers take the atheist stance as arrogance (& ego as you said...probably in general) and the atheist look at believers as being well less than reasonable...
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext The atheist does not accept personal proof. The believer does not care about empirical evidence. And so the disjointed debate goes on. If believers can somehow hold dearer the information that is presented by atheists and if atheists can attempt to understand the view of personal outcomes of believers, then there may be an accord. The main problems are -
Atheist disrespect leading to religious disconnection
Religious ignorance of material evidence
Atheist ignorance of spirituality.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore This is fundamentally ugly... I do have notions of what people mean when they say spiritual, however, nothing about it seems to be anything more than feelings of some special sort. What do you mean when you say spirituality?
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext Well there is your disconnect. You believe that the outcomes of religious processes, which is basic spirituality are just "special feelings" along the lines of delusions or imaginings. That is simply not true. And in response I can say to you that the material world is actually the delusions and imaginings of worldly atheists. That is according to quantum theory.
I held out great hope for you. Never mind.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore My disconnect... Given that the foundation upon which we think is effectively alien, I thought I would just go for understanding, since it it obvious that there is no basis for a debate but discussion of points of perspective seems at least doable. So, could you explain spirituality? Since, you indicate that my notion of it is wrong.
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext I have. In the context of what we are discussing it is the outcomes of the religious process.
Your failure to understand that is obviously because you do not know of these outcomes. If you are looking for material descriptions of what spirituality is then by the very definition that is not possible. I sense a hint sarcasm in your tone. Have you followed any religious principles and studied any theology?
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore No sarcasm... I honestly don't get it... I hear some speak of it in a way that sounds like a special feeling others speak of it as a special experience - this is from a variety of people of different religious and philosophical tendencies. There are plenty of people like me - who don't get what is being spoken of...some fake it... Study what exactly - it is not experienced universally and not even in the same manner. Checking neurology next... What is your experience?
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext Well as I have mentioned "Checking neurology " is empirical. The outcomes of the religious process is understanding God, yourself and your place in the universe. It involves following the regulative principles of a religion and studying it under correct guidance.
It is possible that these experiences activate certain areas of the brain however that is inconsequential to the outcome. Have you been involved deeply with a major religion? Have you studied much religious text?
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore Honestly, religious claims do not make sense to me. I have studied plenty - I actually know the bible better than most people who claim to be believers.
There are people who claim the same things, but it doesn't seem to be connected to any religion. So, I am left with reviewing what is claimed and checking for similarities, since, I do not even know whether I have experienced something similar yet, my way of describing/experience bears no resemblance to others (to my knowledge).
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext Well there is a difference between reading religious texts and understanding their true purport. That is only part of the process. In my experience the way to study religion in order to gain the outcomes is -
1) To study the religious text under authoritative guidance
2) Follow the regulative principles involved
3) Engage in prayer or equivalent reverent petition
There is no shortcut, just as there is no shortcut to any discipline.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore There are so many interpretations possible for any religious text. Everyone is claiming that their particular perspective is true, I don't find any of it true. So, I am not going for the backdrop of why and I am focusing on the qualitative aspects that may mean something at some point in time... So, I ask what is your experience of spirituality - and granted it maybe as pointless as explaining sight to a blind man, but I asking anyway...
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext Here's some notables to go with my request... I am aware that one's perspective changes how many things are viewed. Since, I have rarely seen anything that I called brave that I couldn't also call foolhardy. Is giving money helping a person or crippling a person? Perspective changes how everything looks when there are few, obscure, and/or extraordinary details...
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext "There are so many interpretations possible for any religious text."
That is why it is necessary to get authoritative interpretation. i have had some really twisted meanings of scripture asserted by atheists on these forums. Real Jonestown stuff. The process relating to a religion must be followed. Correct parampara ensures that the correct purport is always given.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore There are many claimed authorities, however, I have no basis by which to assert that anyone is an authority. So, I am left with what is claimed in all the degrees that I hear the material. The claims are varying degrees of extremely twisted (at least from my perspective) to something of the sublime (my again)...
I can't assume time and changes of authorities makes anything more true, although I am biased towards the idea...
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext "it maybe as pointless as explaining sight to a blind man"
It can be like that. Quite often it is explained with the metaphor of asking someone to open a door and walk outside. The main thing to understand is that it is not material, and that everything you know about material nature is merely an illusion. This makes explaining spirituality very hard, especially when ego is involved.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore Assuming the a person isn't lying, I can only assert that the experience is always real to the experiencer regardless of whether anyone else accepts the notion of the person ever having the experience. Our personal black box for which no one else currently has access...
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext You are correct in saying that it is a personal experience that is understood by the individual. However it is also a universal experience in that he/she comes to understand life and something that can be shared with all. It is very hard to explain. I suppose one way of explaining it is to liken it to a computer connection or link with not only other people (and all life) but also with the server (which is God).
hdregmore 6 months ago
@MyContext However these connections are in no way material and in fact are negated by materialism.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore That is another commonality that people (No particular group or belief system) claim..which I can relate to however it is different in some manner that I can't put my finger on... There is one group that DOES NOT seem to have this commonality (at least I haven't seen it or I am biased in a way that prevents me from seeing it) - there very rare few that seem to have the answer to the exclusion of all other possibilities... Most have various doubts even if not expressed...
MyContext 6 months ago
@MyContext What are these doubts? (I ask respectfully). By it's very nature faith can create doubts regarding your position in respect to God. This was shown by the release of mother Teresa's diaries where she was doubting her faith. That is part of the relationship that you have with God. It is the necessity of humbling yourself. In fact Hindu worshipers often chant that they are low as the straw in the street or have little faith or redeeming attributes. It is a form of obeisance.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore The people who seem to have NO doubts AT ALL have been people that I had no point of even feeling there was an aspect of which I could relate with them... It is NOT the same as the arrogant $#&)(%&#)(. If I run into another, I will make a point of figuring out this incredible chasm of disconnect that I feel with them... Which is different from people I disagree with regardless of degree - I might get REALLY pissed, but there is still a point of understanding in there...
MyContext 6 months ago
winning by deleteing comments is the way to go. you cant use something you cant test.
delete it, and dont reply.
bocckoka 6 months ago
@bocckoka No, you need to be told when you are disrespectful and abusive. It is the only way that atheists like yourself will learn to present arguments civilly.
It is sad that you cannot do that. You automatically lose.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore you don't have to deal with uncivil arguments, therefore you automatically win. clap, clap, clap. anyway, there are mounts of civil arguments out there (some of them were put forward by me) that are still - and will ever be - without a valid answer, so i can afford the luxury of calling you a fucker.
i hope you never ever noticed that atheists never used Hitler as an argument. that is out of class for us.
byez.
bocckoka 6 months ago
@bocckoka Run away idiot. That's all you have, empty abuse and no argument. What about all the atheistic shit on the net about Hitler being religious? Perhaps you are a blind atheist? No, I think ignorant is more to the point.
If you cannot present an argument without abuse then it simply shows that you are unwilling to accept any counter argument and that you are simply an arrogant ignorant atheist.
Now go away.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@bocckoka More disrespectful nonsense
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Wake Up Atheism
hdregmore 6 months ago
@bocckoka Wrote disrespectful nonsense about Christianity
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It's hard to take when you lose, isn't it?
hdregmore 6 months ago
@typenamehere19 Wrote more unproven nonsense. You started the bullshit now go away.
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Wake Up Atheism.
hdregmore 7 months ago
A man jumps off of a building, he was a Christian. No one cared.
typenamehere19 7 months ago
@typenamehere19 Because he was secretly a closet atheist who just killed his family. Now there's a joke.
hdregmore 7 months ago
@hdregmore Or a Norwegian who decided to kill an island full of children in the name of the Lord.
typenamehere19 7 months ago
@typenamehere19 Or a Russian who killed millions of people in the name of atheism (and was NOT considered mad).
hdregmore 7 months ago
@hdregmore Even though there is no documented proof that he did so in the name of atheism. Only that he was trying to spread it. As if it was needed. But to continue, or that a Catholic killed six million Jewish people in the name of God.
feralaesthetic 7 months ago
@hdregmore you do know a lot of things about Stalin, dont you?
bocckoka 6 months ago
@bocckoka As in the leader of the Soviet Union which was the first state to have as an ideological objective of the elimination of religion and replacing it with atheism as a fundamental ideological goal?
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore you really do have a good understanding of Stalin, grats. i assume you also know a lot about his atheist friend, Thomas Jefferson.
bocckoka 6 months ago
@bocckoka How is that possible or even relevant? He did not even live during the same time.
Did it really take you 4 days to come up with that?
hdregmore 6 months ago
@hdregmore how is it relevant that both were atheists? they both saw the same problem, but Jefferson trusted that the people were smart enough to outgrow it (they werent), while Stalin did some good old fashioned persecution.
of course they did not know eachother, you silly!
bocckoka 6 months ago
@bocckoka "Jefferson rejected the orthodox Christianity of his day and was especially hostile to the Catholic Church as he saw it operate in France. Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, biblical study, and morality. As a landowner he played a role in governing his local Episcopal Church; in terms of belief he was inclined toward the religious philosophy of Christianity"
- Wikipedia
4 days and you struck out.
hdregmore 6 months ago
@AloofPeregrine Good one.
The black box is in reference to atheists being in a denial (in a dark room and not looking out). There are cartoons where they are depicted that way.
hdregmore 7 months ago
Omg I have wood. I wanna nail Jesus
flylike1 7 months ago
@flylike1 OMG I have a black box. I wanna catch an atheist.
hdregmore 7 months ago
2:23 You could as well put it the other way
pochopaz7381 7 months ago
@pochopaz7381 No, Hitch and his pals have done a complete zombie job on people.
hdregmore 7 months ago
@hdregmore Zombie job. Ok, because millions of scientists have all agreed with them because they're wrong? Or is it a conspiracy? Neither works out.
feralaesthetic 7 months ago
@feralaesthetic That's strange atheists continually tell me that atheism has nothing to do with science.
Please tell me who all these scientists are? Considering that atheism is running at about 15% of the population they must be a very small but boisterous minority.
hdregmore 7 months ago
@hdregmore 95% of scientists are atheists. But I think you fail to realize, 15% of 6 billion is a large number. The largest minority by far, I believe. And atheism doesn't have much to do with science. Apart from that.
feralaesthetic 7 months ago
@feralaesthetic What evidence do you have for the 95%? It does not make sense. If it has nothing to do with science then why mention scientists?
Wikipedia -
"According to one estimate, about 2.3% of the world's population are atheists, while a further 11.9% are nonreligious."
So you are talking about less than 3% .
hdregmore 7 months ago
@uriituw What is your problem? Perhaps that you are an untalented nobody doomed to live an inconsequential life. LOLOLOL
hdregmore 8 months ago
lol
kpgpwi64 8 months ago
But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a woman: 1. He had to feed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was no good. 2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it. 3. Even when he was dead, He had to get up because there was more work for Him to do.
kpgpwi64 8 months ago
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian: 1. He never cut his hair. 2. He walked around barefoot all the time. 3. He started a new religion. But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish: 1. He never got married. 2. He was always telling stories. 3. He loved green pastures.
kpgpwi64 8 months ago
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Jewish: 1. He went into His Fathers business. 2. He lived at home until he was 33. 3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his mother was sure he was God.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian: 1. He talked with his hands. 2. He had wine with every meal. 3. He used olive oil.
kpgpwi64 8 months ago
There were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Black: 1. He called everyone "brother" 2. He liked Gospel 3. He couldn't get a fair trial.
kpgpwi64 8 months ago
@kpgpwi64 lol.
hdregmore 8 months ago