I Like Judo and BJJ but lets be realistic not all fights end on the ground its a myth and if they do you better get up because the guy your fighting's friends are coming and there gonna stomp you....
This is the reality of Judo when there is no clothes to grip on. It just gets watered down in these situations. Still, many moves can be modified to suit these situations.
@Kenyawn That's impossible, human and primate hybrids are not genetically possible. Unless you're a monkey, in which case how you get on youtube? Hypothetically if you guys (monkeys) were taking over how would we (humans) defeat you? This question is totally innocent...
but the focus of judo is on stand up and the focus of bjj is on the ground, sure some schools and individual people try to be more well rounded but they aren't going to get the same variety of techniques on the ground in judo or standing in bjj as they would if they trained both
there are tons of BJJ guys who come into judo schools and implement their knowledge into the class because some judo schools do both standing and groundwork
lol Dude Karo adopted his judo in MMA and that's a fact...You're missing the point gokor was his coach but he NEVER adopted his judo without the gi in MMA like karo did how many fights have you seen gokor using judo throws?? He never fought in MMA or used his judo like karo. His full of bluff lol... And I love gene but dislike... But nice video love judo..
So that means karo lied on a marital arts magazine back in 03. He said he adopted the throws and after the diego fight in 06 he said Gokor taught him nothing and they split from then on.
and bjj fighters practice takedowns, bjj emphasizes ground work over takedowns because that's how their tournaments are set up, where judo emphasizes takedowns because the rules of judo make it easier to win standing ont eh ground
To be honest i don't have a favorite because they both have their pros and cons. The only way I can learn the sensitivity to throw in no-gi is to learn with the gi. Believe it or not, throwing people is way easier with no-gi - in the clinch there is somebody ALWAYS pushing or pulling (this determines whether or not I throw somebody forward or backward). Once you get some no-gi grips down it is exactly the same. Thanks for the post.
i find trhwoing hip throws hard, when you're all sweaty in no gi. I try the head and arm grip and the head always slides out so I have to go for makikomi. I recently tried doing an overhook and head grip which is better, but I just suck with the whizzer and arm, and getting a deep underhook on a guy is easier said then done if your training partners know you're a judoka :p
It is hard - nobody wants to get thrown. You need to practice your pummeling with wrestlers. I come from a Sambo, BJJ, & Judo school so it is just a matter of evolving.
empire kid's right about the pummeling, i've been doing wrestling for four years, but only been doing bjj/judo for a couple months, and even though my judo throws aren't so crisp yet i can take most guys down by just pummeling in until i get double underhooks and then bodylocking, learning to pummel well will enable you to push ur opponent around with alot less effort than it would take if u couldn't get an underhook
jeez... what judokas do you face? I sure as hell don't think I lack respect... and most judo being taught is olympic judo... no focus on ne-waza (ground technique/submissions) don't be so hasty to say something like that... learn humility
I happen to like judo myself but i find most judokas lack repsect for bjj ground and technical supriority like the guy calling bjj guys stupid. who the hell is he to say something like that, i'll tap his bitch ass out anytime trust me.
ah ok... well to be honest BJJ was developed from judo ne-waza... just modified more with levrage and a lot more submissions... where BJJ has all these weird locks with chokes, arms, and legs, even body submissions... judo is limited to chokes and arm locks... before it was all around tachi waza (standing) and ne-waza (ground technique) ...it;s been heavily watered down for the olympics sadly
Uhh, there are hardly any submissions that BJJ has that wasn't in Judo first. And Judo has leglocks, neck cranks, spine locks, wrist locks, etc etc as well as chokes and armlocks. They just aren't allowed for competition.
World champs like Saulo Ribero, BJ Penn, Jacare all wouldn't even make it out of their countries yet medal in a Olympic Judo event. 170+ countries participate in Judo making it the hardest Olympic sport to medal in.
Flavio Canto who is a Judo black belt and BJJ black belt had the best chance out of anyone and couldn't do it.
Im not just making it up it is way harder to get a Judo Olympic medal then a BJJ world title comparing the two is kind of a joke.
Could you explain to me then why a Judo Black Belt won't automatically be at a BJJ black belt level if they went to A BJJ school. This anti-BJJ stuff from Judo guys annoys me... the gracies came up with the UFC and took on all challengers, perhaps a Judo guys should have done that but they didn't. Also your logic doesn't explain why BJJ guys regularly dominant the ADCC which is open to grapplers of any style.
A BJJ black belt is like any other type of Martial Art belt it has to be earned. But the problem with BJJ is that there is no single recognized orginization to set standards for black belts.
There are many good Judo players whom have won in the worlds their first time entering. Do you know Judo became Japans national sport because of a "all challengers" tournament.
ADCC has rules like any other sport and is mostly entered by BJJ guys. So its no wonder that its dominated by BJJ.
Let me ask you this... If Judo was easier than BJJ then why hasn't a BJJ guy entered the Olympics and get a gold medal??? Because its way to hard!! Its is not that hard to become a world champ in BJJ and this has been proven many times over. BJJ is money driven that is why it will never be an Olympic sport.
I never said it was easier, that's what you've assumed. The Judo rules favours Judo obviously the points systems favours throws and the matches are very staccato, with an extremely limited time for ne waza. Yep I know that about judo... IMO the olympic judo rules have made the division between BJJ and Judo what it is. From what I can tell Kosen Judo is Judo before Olympic rules began to shape how it's practiced. Why areb;t more Judo guys invited to ADCC? Judoka outnumber BJJers.
actually you're wrong. Judo fighters were the first to compete in mma fights. mitsua maeda challenged many martial artists of different discipline. he also fought boxers and wrestlers. gene labell is another judoka who did the same. all the moves in bjj are copied from judo. the only difference is that the gracies were excellent in marketing.
I said UFC not MMA. If by MMA you mean inter-discipline fighting then it wasn't the Judo guys who started that... it's been going on for thousands of years. If you look into the histrory of Silat, Kung fu, etc... inter-discipline bouts are a part of their history, and how many styles were created. Do you agree that the practice of Judo is now shaped by Olympic rules?
what's the differenc between mma and ufc? ufc is under the headline of mma. If we are speaking of modern "interdisciplinary" bouts between styles of martial arts, then judokas were recognized before bjj existed. olympic judo is shaped by the ijf, however, there are judo competitions that focus on newaza only. jigoro kano allowed kosen judo to exist to build the art as a whole. french judo org., japan's universities and the pan am's have initiated judo groundfighting. also traditional judo.
What's the difference between UFC and MMA? The UFC is an MMA promotion company. The UFC is what has revolutionized modern martial arts and it was started by the gracies who used BJJ to beat all comers... surely you Judo guys can admit and praise that at least? As I said interdisclinary bouts have been going on throughout the ages and has never stopped including in the modern era. It was going on in China in the full contact tournaments held before Judo existed, and it was going on elsewhere.
Judo invented all the techniques plagerised by the gracies. Judo experts knew how to use all the techniques they invented or it wouldn't exist.
The gracies claimed of invented the perfect arm bar. How perfect can it be when you hyperextend an arm? They claimed of invented the triangle choke, "omoplata" and other submission moves. Bullshit. They're a fraud.
So you say the Gracies are a fraud because they didnt invent the triangle choke??
Yeah i guess they fooled everyone with how effective their system was and everyone beleived it but ofcourse the gracies were a fraud :D hahahahahahaha
Did you see Royce Gracie use any Judo techniques in UFC 1?
The gracies brought what was taught to them from M. maeda. It was called Kano jiu jitsu at the time. Jigoro Kano created Kano jiu jitsu what is known today as judo.
And yes, royce gracie's moves in ufc 1 was ALL judo!
The gracies have been claiming they invented this and that, now they are claiming they perfected the grappling movements on the mat. Righhhtt...
Little did the gracies know that old newaza judo masters filmed their techniques for future generations to know.
The reason why is because all fights end on the ground, this is where BJJ excels. Judo clubs didn't put so much emphasis on ground work because in competition it is rarely allowed to continue for an extended period of time. The difference in BJP vs. those Judo BB is that first he is BJP, 2nd he wasn't concerned with throwing for Ippon, he was concerned with grappling them to the ground and taking the fight to where HE excelled. Those Judo BB were sitting ducks with no interest in grappling.
The kodokan school changed the rules of newaza because the Kosen Judo school started kicking their asses in tournaments.. before that you could fight on the ground for as long as you wanted
A kosen Judoka has GREAT newaza while a Kodokan Judoka has some defence but they can never defend against a gracie Jiu Jitsu player...
Kosen is not a style of judo. It's a rule-set where you're allowed to drop to the ground without taking a grip of your opponent. It's designed to make judo safer for high-school students.
First of all i didnt say Kosen was a style, i said that guys from the Kosen school mainly focusec on newaza. Kosen is a school and there are only 2 left in Japan.
And Kosen is one of the earliest Judo schools, look it uf if you want to.
Now maybe they named a highschool competition rule to that same name. THAT i dont know about...
Again, i didnt say that Kosen was a style, and i dont know that it means Highschool in japanese,
the only thing ive stated the whole time was that the Kosen Judo school was the second oldest schools after Kodokan, and that in the Kosen school the guys had amazing newaza cause they were smaller then the kodokan guys so to stand a chance of winning a fight they had to use other techniques
The Kosen guys are/were Kodokan guys. Their newaza wasn't that much better than a standard guy, just that they used the tactic of stalling out on the ground if they had no chance of winning.
"Their newaza wasn't that much better than a standard guy"
What are you talking about dude? The Judo rules CHANGED because of the kosen guys had so good newaza that the Kodokan changed the rule so that you can spend only a certain ammount of time on the ground.
And yes u are right they uses it as a tactic bacause the Kodokan guys were much bigger so the kosen guys had big problems throwing them, but won fairly easy on the ground.
The Kosen guys operated under a different ruleset to standard Kodokan, so you can't say that what they did directly caused any change to what the grown-ups were doing.
The Kosen guys were not winning easily on the ground, they were stalling out, trying to force a draw. That's a very different thing.
We're tlaking baout BJ penn. The guy became a BB in under 3 yrs. Unheard of. I bet you BJP beat many BJJ BB as a white belt. The guy is called the prodigy for a reason.
Anyhow, you are going off track about the topic. BJP is not a gracie.
@mateah How the fuck did karate kid who didn't even have a belt bet those guys in the movie. It's all training, before hand. You seriously think BJ didn't roll around at home before they decieded ok, he loves this let's put him in it while he is what 16 or 17. Bj is a fucking monster remember that. Also it was on the ground, on the ground, most wrestlers and judo fighters are beat.
@mateah lmao cuz he is an awsome fighter the fighter makes the art what it is not the other way around and him as a white belt defeating black belts in judo lmao yea send the link for that one lol gracie the master himself lost to a judo master ima fav this right now and see if the vid is still on here il be back hopefully with the name of it
Actually, Chockes and Armlocks are allowed in Judo competition. The rest aren't. But they're age regulated. for example, in Puerto Rico, chokes are permitted to judoka 15 and older, while armlocks are permited to judoka 17 and older.
calm the eff down man - it is a matter of evolving as a grappler. Havent you noticed that Judo guys are learning BJJ and BJJ guys are learning Judo. You can see all the time when BJJ guys cant take it to the ground against a good wrestler and vice versa when guys get tapped out because they have no ground game.
Was it possible to do an osoto gari on the same side of the collar/whizzer grip? Your head position was perfect. The throw almost resembled an o-guruma.
Absolutely, it just so happens that I threw from the otherside. When I have that grip, I usually cross face with my bicep (to bend him backwards) and throw with the osoto. That grip is also super easy to use for forward throws. Using the same collar/whizzer combination, all you got to do is slip the collar hand to his lat and it immediatley turn into a koshi guruma.
yeah usually a jab is the first punch you learn in boxing and kickboxing to set up combos, but since its the first thing you learn after a few months just stop using it. What a dope. Bjj rats are a dime a dozen these days.
You sound real proud of your school yard throw. I'm really not all that impressed. the osoto gari was the first throw that I learned at age 7 and it's not real complex. Plus you're sloppy. Stupid judo guy.
because every bjj talks a lot of shit....when they dont realize bjj is not a complete form of fighting and the fact the gracie's learn jj from a judo guy.
I've been doing judo for 2 years -- my coach adapts our judo for no gi. We are one of the few schools in the country that train avidly in it. I only wrestled for a year in high school and it is prolly the only regret I have in my life right now. Thanks for the post.
I Like Judo and BJJ but lets be realistic not all fights end on the ground its a myth and if they do you better get up because the guy your fighting's friends are coming and there gonna stomp you....
boydy83 1 year ago
This is the reality of Judo when there is no clothes to grip on. It just gets watered down in these situations. Still, many moves can be modified to suit these situations.
TheSenseofTouch 2 years ago
This is wrestling not Judo, still good though!.
ProsperityGlobal 2 years ago
That's simply a whizzer. Nothing about judo in there
figthersdreams 2 years ago
except the throw was judo
maxbigwood 2 years ago
Judo and bjj are two different sports I don't why this
Is so hard for you. Why would the ADCC invite someone
Who doesn't train for their rules? I really don't get
What your point is here. Judo will never change their
Rules for bjj players. Bjj is a great sport and I've
Played it for 12 years but its not going anywhere so get over it
702decatur 2 years ago
If that's an osoto, I'm a monkey's uncle.
Kenyawn 2 years ago
yo relax, it was left handed and I'm no black belt. Uahah.
EmpireKid03 2 years ago
@EmpireKid03 Nice take down!
moelicious416 2 years ago
@EmpireKid03 Oh, no, your harai goshi (harai gake?) was fine, it just wasn't an osoto gari. Lololol.
Kenyawn 2 years ago
@EmpireKid03 honestly, it was closer to a harai goshi.
sevengone 1 year ago
@Kenyawn That's impossible, human and primate hybrids are not genetically possible. Unless you're a monkey, in which case how you get on youtube? Hypothetically if you guys (monkeys) were taking over how would we (humans) defeat you? This question is totally innocent...
dannielpreto 1 year ago
@dannielpreto "human and primate hybrids are not genetically possible" is like saying poodle and dog hybrids are not genetically possible.
Kenyawn 1 year ago
that move is harai goshi
My favorite judo technique for no-gi grappling
Auspexgetchell 2 years ago
Fuck i remember that tournament like it was yesterday, i forgot about this video.
SamboJerk 3 years ago
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tennenb0ke 3 years ago 7
but the focus of judo is on stand up and the focus of bjj is on the ground, sure some schools and individual people try to be more well rounded but they aren't going to get the same variety of techniques on the ground in judo or standing in bjj as they would if they trained both
building7911 3 years ago 2
no most schools ive trained in focus just as much on newaza.
fiyaman 2 years ago
there are tons of BJJ guys who come into judo schools and implement their knowledge into the class because some judo schools do both standing and groundwork
xthag0ld3nchyldx 2 years ago
All judo schools do both.
Kenyawn 2 years ago
lol Dude Karo adopted his judo in MMA and that's a fact...You're missing the point gokor was his coach but he NEVER adopted his judo without the gi in MMA like karo did how many fights have you seen gokor using judo throws?? He never fought in MMA or used his judo like karo. His full of bluff lol... And I love gene but dislike... But nice video love judo..
IN5YOUR5FACE5 3 years ago
karo parisyan adopted judo without the gi in MMA.....NO one does it like him.....
IN5YOUR5FACE5 3 years ago
Actually he didn't adopt it.. his coach Gokar Chivichyan did and before that it was his coach "Judo" Gene Lebell. Thanks for the post!
EmpireKid03 3 years ago 2
didn;t radi ferguson help with alot of them too? i may be confused.
chexmix323 3 years ago
So that means karo lied on a marital arts magazine back in 03. He said he adopted the throws and after the diego fight in 06 he said Gokor taught him nothing and they split from then on.
aquin520 3 years ago
@EmpireKid03
Should have pulled him where his weight was on 1 leg. good job.
OVERCAPITALIZE 6 months ago
@IN5YOUR5FACE5
shinya aoki is sick too
zxchukkleszx 1 year ago
you're wrong. judokas practice newaza - ground fighting..
moelicious416 3 years ago 3
and bjj fighters practice takedowns, bjj emphasizes ground work over takedowns because that's how their tournaments are set up, where judo emphasizes takedowns because the rules of judo make it easier to win standing ont eh ground
building7911 3 years ago
u mean monkeys on your back, thats how they cling on to u, like monkeys on ur back, little bitches fight like a real man straight up ;)
basedeal 3 years ago
JUDO AND BJJ SUCKS WING CHUN IS BETTER!!!!11!! [not really]
LOLatMMA 4 years ago 3
whats up ive done both but i enjoy Gi judo better than no gi is less fun i think
WatchMeDropem 4 years ago
To be honest i don't have a favorite because they both have their pros and cons. The only way I can learn the sensitivity to throw in no-gi is to learn with the gi. Believe it or not, throwing people is way easier with no-gi - in the clinch there is somebody ALWAYS pushing or pulling (this determines whether or not I throw somebody forward or backward). Once you get some no-gi grips down it is exactly the same. Thanks for the post.
EmpireKid03 4 years ago
Empire Kid, I agree, I've done both, and it's harder in some respects with the gi.
yussefumaketse 3 years ago
i find trhwoing hip throws hard, when you're all sweaty in no gi. I try the head and arm grip and the head always slides out so I have to go for makikomi. I recently tried doing an overhook and head grip which is better, but I just suck with the whizzer and arm, and getting a deep underhook on a guy is easier said then done if your training partners know you're a judoka :p
IChinaManI 3 years ago
It is hard - nobody wants to get thrown. You need to practice your pummeling with wrestlers. I come from a Sambo, BJJ, & Judo school so it is just a matter of evolving.
EmpireKid03 3 years ago
empire kid's right about the pummeling, i've been doing wrestling for four years, but only been doing bjj/judo for a couple months, and even though my judo throws aren't so crisp yet i can take most guys down by just pummeling in until i get double underhooks and then bodylocking, learning to pummel well will enable you to push ur opponent around with alot less effort than it would take if u couldn't get an underhook
building7911 3 years ago
So if your a wrestler new at Judo, best thing to do is shoot in and get your under & over hooks
DontNeedToKnow84 3 years ago
yep, it's harder with gi but it's ur best bet until u learn soem throws
building7911 3 years ago
with gi its a lot easier
Good1Embiko 2 years ago
i disagree, ur opponent can use the handles ur gi provides to keep u at a distance so u can't pummel in close for over-under position
building7911 2 years ago
lol these judo guys they lack respect , that's why we tap out thier little bitch asses all the time.
GHRepresent 4 years ago
jeez... what judokas do you face? I sure as hell don't think I lack respect... and most judo being taught is olympic judo... no focus on ne-waza (ground technique/submissions) don't be so hasty to say something like that... learn humility
Panzernakr 4 years ago
I happen to like judo myself but i find most judokas lack repsect for bjj ground and technical supriority like the guy calling bjj guys stupid. who the hell is he to say something like that, i'll tap his bitch ass out anytime trust me.
GHRepresent 4 years ago
ah ok... well to be honest BJJ was developed from judo ne-waza... just modified more with levrage and a lot more submissions... where BJJ has all these weird locks with chokes, arms, and legs, even body submissions... judo is limited to chokes and arm locks... before it was all around tachi waza (standing) and ne-waza (ground technique) ...it;s been heavily watered down for the olympics sadly
Panzernakr 4 years ago 3
Uhh, there are hardly any submissions that BJJ has that wasn't in Judo first. And Judo has leglocks, neck cranks, spine locks, wrist locks, etc etc as well as chokes and armlocks. They just aren't allowed for competition.
maxbigwood 2 years ago 10
Chokes and armlocks are allowed in competition in judo, but in kosen judo there are leg locks ankle locks etc...
kosen judo is judo in the beginning before they changed the rules
MarcusJUDO92 2 years ago
BJJ is a very young martial art. Most people don't even know that Judo is the national sport of Japan and how it became to be.
Let put is this way a BJJ world champ will never win a Olympic gold medal in Judo, but a Olympic gold medalist could win a world BJJ title.
702decatur 2 years ago
I wouldnt say that my friend .
TheLatinoSamurai 2 years ago
World champs like Saulo Ribero, BJ Penn, Jacare all wouldn't even make it out of their countries yet medal in a Olympic Judo event. 170+ countries participate in Judo making it the hardest Olympic sport to medal in.
Flavio Canto who is a Judo black belt and BJJ black belt had the best chance out of anyone and couldn't do it.
Im not just making it up it is way harder to get a Judo Olympic medal then a BJJ world title comparing the two is kind of a joke.
702decatur 2 years ago
Could you explain to me then why a Judo Black Belt won't automatically be at a BJJ black belt level if they went to A BJJ school. This anti-BJJ stuff from Judo guys annoys me... the gracies came up with the UFC and took on all challengers, perhaps a Judo guys should have done that but they didn't. Also your logic doesn't explain why BJJ guys regularly dominant the ADCC which is open to grapplers of any style.
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
A BJJ black belt is like any other type of Martial Art belt it has to be earned. But the problem with BJJ is that there is no single recognized orginization to set standards for black belts.
There are many good Judo players whom have won in the worlds their first time entering. Do you know Judo became Japans national sport because of a "all challengers" tournament.
ADCC has rules like any other sport and is mostly entered by BJJ guys. So its no wonder that its dominated by BJJ.
702decatur 2 years ago
Let me ask you this... If Judo was easier than BJJ then why hasn't a BJJ guy entered the Olympics and get a gold medal??? Because its way to hard!! Its is not that hard to become a world champ in BJJ and this has been proven many times over. BJJ is money driven that is why it will never be an Olympic sport.
702decatur 2 years ago
I never said it was easier, that's what you've assumed. The Judo rules favours Judo obviously the points systems favours throws and the matches are very staccato, with an extremely limited time for ne waza. Yep I know that about judo... IMO the olympic judo rules have made the division between BJJ and Judo what it is. From what I can tell Kosen Judo is Judo before Olympic rules began to shape how it's practiced. Why areb;t more Judo guys invited to ADCC? Judoka outnumber BJJers.
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
actually you're wrong. Judo fighters were the first to compete in mma fights. mitsua maeda challenged many martial artists of different discipline. he also fought boxers and wrestlers. gene labell is another judoka who did the same. all the moves in bjj are copied from judo. the only difference is that the gracies were excellent in marketing.
moelicious416 2 years ago
I said UFC not MMA. If by MMA you mean inter-discipline fighting then it wasn't the Judo guys who started that... it's been going on for thousands of years. If you look into the histrory of Silat, Kung fu, etc... inter-discipline bouts are a part of their history, and how many styles were created. Do you agree that the practice of Judo is now shaped by Olympic rules?
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
what's the differenc between mma and ufc? ufc is under the headline of mma. If we are speaking of modern "interdisciplinary" bouts between styles of martial arts, then judokas were recognized before bjj existed. olympic judo is shaped by the ijf, however, there are judo competitions that focus on newaza only. jigoro kano allowed kosen judo to exist to build the art as a whole. french judo org., japan's universities and the pan am's have initiated judo groundfighting. also traditional judo.
moelicious416 2 years ago
What's the difference between UFC and MMA? The UFC is an MMA promotion company. The UFC is what has revolutionized modern martial arts and it was started by the gracies who used BJJ to beat all comers... surely you Judo guys can admit and praise that at least? As I said interdisclinary bouts have been going on throughout the ages and has never stopped including in the modern era. It was going on in China in the full contact tournaments held before Judo existed, and it was going on elsewhere.
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
and the other difference is that the Gracies understood how to use the techniques but Judo never learned that..
Judo invented the armlock but they dont know how to get it, they invented the kimura (ude garame) but they dont know how to get it
and the gracies showed us how to submit people... and they were excellent in marketing and Judo sucked?
mateah 2 years ago
Judo invented all the techniques plagerised by the gracies. Judo experts knew how to use all the techniques they invented or it wouldn't exist.
The gracies claimed of invented the perfect arm bar. How perfect can it be when you hyperextend an arm? They claimed of invented the triangle choke, "omoplata" and other submission moves. Bullshit. They're a fraud.
moelicious416 2 years ago
@ moelicious416
So you say the Gracies are a fraud because they didnt invent the triangle choke??
Yeah i guess they fooled everyone with how effective their system was and everyone beleived it but ofcourse the gracies were a fraud :D hahahahahahaha
Did you see Royce Gracie use any Judo techniques in UFC 1?
mateah 2 years ago
@mateah
The gracies brought what was taught to them from M. maeda. It was called Kano jiu jitsu at the time. Jigoro Kano created Kano jiu jitsu what is known today as judo.
And yes, royce gracie's moves in ufc 1 was ALL judo!
The gracies have been claiming they invented this and that, now they are claiming they perfected the grappling movements on the mat. Righhhtt...
Little did the gracies know that old newaza judo masters filmed their techniques for future generations to know.
moelicious416 2 years ago
then how do you explain BJ Penn manhandling Judo blackbelts when he was just a Gracie Jiu jitsu whitebelt??
There is videoproof on youtube doooont forget that!!! hahahahah
Please explain that?? a Gracie jiu jitsu whitebelt destroying Judo blackbelts in a Judo tournament?? explain?
mateah 2 years ago
The reason why is because all fights end on the ground, this is where BJJ excels. Judo clubs didn't put so much emphasis on ground work because in competition it is rarely allowed to continue for an extended period of time. The difference in BJP vs. those Judo BB is that first he is BJP, 2nd he wasn't concerned with throwing for Ippon, he was concerned with grappling them to the ground and taking the fight to where HE excelled. Those Judo BB were sitting ducks with no interest in grappling.
EmpireKid03 2 years ago
The kodokan school changed the rules of newaza because the Kosen Judo school started kicking their asses in tournaments.. before that you could fight on the ground for as long as you wanted
A kosen Judoka has GREAT newaza while a Kodokan Judoka has some defence but they can never defend against a gracie Jiu Jitsu player...
mateah 2 years ago
Kosen is not a style of judo. It's a rule-set where you're allowed to drop to the ground without taking a grip of your opponent. It's designed to make judo safer for high-school students.
CecilTerwilliger 2 years ago
@ CecilTerwilliger
First of all i didnt say Kosen was a style, i said that guys from the Kosen school mainly focusec on newaza. Kosen is a school and there are only 2 left in Japan.
And Kosen is one of the earliest Judo schools, look it uf if you want to.
Now maybe they named a highschool competition rule to that same name. THAT i dont know about...
mateah 2 years ago
Kosen is the Japanese for high-school. (Actually a technical-college, but they're about the same thing)
Kosen Judo means high-school judo.
CecilTerwilliger 2 years ago
Again, i didnt say that Kosen was a style, and i dont know that it means Highschool in japanese,
the only thing ive stated the whole time was that the Kosen Judo school was the second oldest schools after Kodokan, and that in the Kosen school the guys had amazing newaza cause they were smaller then the kodokan guys so to stand a chance of winning a fight they had to use other techniques
mateah 2 years ago
The Kosen guys are/were Kodokan guys. Their newaza wasn't that much better than a standard guy, just that they used the tactic of stalling out on the ground if they had no chance of winning.
CecilTerwilliger 2 years ago
@ CecilTerwilliger
"Their newaza wasn't that much better than a standard guy"
What are you talking about dude? The Judo rules CHANGED because of the kosen guys had so good newaza that the Kodokan changed the rule so that you can spend only a certain ammount of time on the ground.
And yes u are right they uses it as a tactic bacause the Kodokan guys were much bigger so the kosen guys had big problems throwing them, but won fairly easy on the ground.
mateah 2 years ago
The Kosen guys operated under a different ruleset to standard Kodokan, so you can't say that what they did directly caused any change to what the grown-ups were doing.
The Kosen guys were not winning easily on the ground, they were stalling out, trying to force a draw. That's a very different thing.
CecilTerwilliger 2 years ago
@mateah
We're tlaking baout BJ penn. The guy became a BB in under 3 yrs. Unheard of. I bet you BJP beat many BJJ BB as a white belt. The guy is called the prodigy for a reason.
Anyhow, you are going off track about the topic. BJP is not a gracie.
moelicious416 2 years ago
he got his BB directly from the second generation of gracies!!! How much more gracie jiu jitsu can you be?
mateah 2 years ago
@mateah How the fuck did karate kid who didn't even have a belt bet those guys in the movie. It's all training, before hand. You seriously think BJ didn't roll around at home before they decieded ok, he loves this let's put him in it while he is what 16 or 17. Bj is a fucking monster remember that. Also it was on the ground, on the ground, most wrestlers and judo fighters are beat.
Supersmurf62 1 year ago
@mateah lmao cuz he is an awsome fighter the fighter makes the art what it is not the other way around and him as a white belt defeating black belts in judo lmao yea send the link for that one lol gracie the master himself lost to a judo master ima fav this right now and see if the vid is still on here il be back hopefully with the name of it
crashdummy40 1 year ago
@mateah
dont forget, his nickname is the prodigy lol
zxchukkleszx 1 year ago
At least seventy five years is young?
Both of those statements are equally unlikely.
Kenyawn 2 years ago
Actually, Chockes and Armlocks are allowed in Judo competition. The rest aren't. But they're age regulated. for example, in Puerto Rico, chokes are permitted to judoka 15 and older, while armlocks are permited to judoka 17 and older.
Angelofvideogames 2 years ago
@maxbigwood and how many Judo clubs teach them....
JKT6 1 year ago
calm the eff down man - it is a matter of evolving as a grappler. Havent you noticed that Judo guys are learning BJJ and BJJ guys are learning Judo. You can see all the time when BJJ guys cant take it to the ground against a good wrestler and vice versa when guys get tapped out because they have no ground game.
EmpireKid03 3 years ago
Erm don't good judo clubs teach respect? Why the heck you calling the guy stupid?
Superapplefrog 4 years ago
One more question, what is your entry to the collar/whizzer grip? I might want to try it in an up coming tourney, thanks.
aquin520 4 years ago
No problem, Off a 50/50 -- u slip the underhook right to the collar.
EmpireKid03 4 years ago
thanks man.
aquin520 4 years ago
Was it possible to do an osoto gari on the same side of the collar/whizzer grip? Your head position was perfect. The throw almost resembled an o-guruma.
aquin520 4 years ago
Absolutely, it just so happens that I threw from the otherside. When I have that grip, I usually cross face with my bicep (to bend him backwards) and throw with the osoto. That grip is also super easy to use for forward throws. Using the same collar/whizzer combination, all you got to do is slip the collar hand to his lat and it immediatley turn into a koshi guruma.
EmpireKid03 4 years ago
yeah usually a jab is the first punch you learn in boxing and kickboxing to set up combos, but since its the first thing you learn after a few months just stop using it. What a dope. Bjj rats are a dime a dozen these days.
SamboJerk 4 years ago
You sound real proud of your school yard throw. I'm really not all that impressed. the osoto gari was the first throw that I learned at age 7 and it's not real complex. Plus you're sloppy. Stupid judo guy.
PsycloneJeremy 4 years ago
I won by points. Then i beat the wrestler in the background by throwing him w/ a koshi-guruma.
EmpireKid03 4 years ago
he tapped out because he was so embaressed lol
sarason3 4 years ago
How the fight ends?
ikicku 4 years ago
because every bjj talks a lot of shit....when they dont realize bjj is not a complete form of fighting and the fact the gracie's learn jj from a judo guy.
ltsy17421 4 years ago
why are you saying BJJ is stupid? Judo and BJJ make a good combination for grappling.
halfmount 4 years ago
i agree. bjj is not a complete form of MA but no other MA is more affective cause no one can fight ground like them.
fupasack2 4 years ago
stupid bjj
ltsy17421 4 years ago
Cool Thanx I looked up your schools site it looks like a good place to train .
TheLatinoSamurai 4 years ago
That was sick how long have you been doing Judo for ? Have you done any wrestling ?
TheLatinoSamurai 4 years ago
I've been doing judo for 2 years -- my coach adapts our judo for no gi. We are one of the few schools in the country that train avidly in it. I only wrestled for a year in high school and it is prolly the only regret I have in my life right now. Thanks for the post.
EmpireKid03 4 years ago
Where do you Train ?
TheLatinoSamurai 4 years ago
nice
fuckyoufagoninternet 4 years ago