AA consumes your life. How is that any different than alcohol and drugs consuming your life? The only difference is that while your in AA you're not (or aren't supposed to be) putting unhealthy drugs and alcohol into your body, but you still have no life. Who the hell wants to spend the rest of their life believing they are still sick and insane? Who the hell wants to hang out every day with people that think like that? Not me. Seriously, get out of AA and start living again.
I've watched a few of your vidoes and it seems you spend alot of your time and energy bashing AA. If it has no effect on your life why does it bother you so much?
@MPArmstrong84 Watch closer and you will see the truth of the matter. When I first came here I was only going to talk about RR and leave AA alone. AA proponents here were so self important as to run slander campaigns, death threats, ETC simply because I have found a successful alternative to their tiny offensive belief system.
What I do today is not RR nor is it any other cult club. No one needs a cult to stop hurting themselves.
I must admit I was a cynic about you - then I went to AA meetings. Well! I found out: its a cult; their dangerous; you get hit on; its a completely debilitating experience. I still feel traumatised. The most annoying thing is they are recommended by rehab programs. FOR *** SAKE. Keep up the good work. These people are nutters
I prefer that you find it out yourself. Shows you are willing to think for yourself. My videos are meant to get a person thinking and it appears I hit the target.
This should be called what AA et al DOES NOT give me - I counted 12 "does nots" against 2 "does". I like the idea of rational recovery. I've recently done a rehab program - it was all about taking responsibility. It was positive training - where are your positives? WHAT exactly does RR do?
hello again , i'd just like to say that i found your statement that alcohol and aa had equally robbed you of your freedom really fascinating and thought provoking. please keep posting!
@isegoria1 Thanks for posting this. I am starting to read "Rational Recovery" by Trimpy this week (after getting fed up with over 20 years of AA and going nowhere). I'm excited to hear about another alternative. Not to knock AA, but if I can stay sober without ever going to another AA group ever again, I'd be the happiest man on earth.
Tom - This is Rob ex vacillateallday - now closed - just thought I would identify myself considering - would you say that RR is basically will power given another name to make it an entity - i.e. something of an alternative? Personally - looking back - I stopped drinking straight away in AA - what's that? Will power? I think so...as you know I left,and now I drink safely again,and enjoy it socially,like millions NOT AA's concocted alcoholic,hope you are OK? I am enjoying being free from YT! Rob
Vacillateallday How is will power an alternative?You made the choice to stop drinking before you went to AA.Thats why you went.If you didnt want to stop you would not of gone..Has the penny dropped Rob?Hope so.
Wow, Rob. I am genuinely surprised, and a little saddened. You have added an interesting twist to the mix these past few years, both on Yahoo and here. I have seldom agreed with you, but have always begrudgingly admired your tenacity. Enjoy the next phase of your development, and take care of yourself. Mike BD
Back in the early days of the internets rational recovery gave me lots of lols by way of hate mail on the BB.
Jack's book was great though I thought he should exclude any mention of AA except possibly as a footnote of some sort. This of course is with my absolute joy in his bombastic nature as it relates to AA. I really did get a lot of laffs and ultimately confidence in a steady rejection of the 12 steps. He was taking them on at a time when there scant support of critics. Great Vid.
I tell people that arguing with AA'ers alone will never keep them clean. I have better things to do than argue rationally with people who are in a position that was created by their irrational.
AA consumes your life. How is that any different than alcohol and drugs consuming your life? The only difference is that while your in AA you're not (or aren't supposed to be) putting unhealthy drugs and alcohol into your body, but you still have no life. Who the hell wants to spend the rest of their life believing they are still sick and insane? Who the hell wants to hang out every day with people that think like that? Not me. Seriously, get out of AA and start living again.
Turdbuckethat 1 year ago
I too am done with the cult. I must secure my own way and I will. I'm reading RR again. Good work!!
jazzmaster25 1 year ago
I too am trying to get my will and my LIFE back without having fear that I will relapse. It is a fear based program.
breda83 1 year ago
I've watched a few of your vidoes and it seems you spend alot of your time and energy bashing AA. If it has no effect on your life why does it bother you so much?
MPArmstrong84 2 years ago
@MPArmstrong84 Watch closer and you will see the truth of the matter. When I first came here I was only going to talk about RR and leave AA alone. AA proponents here were so self important as to run slander campaigns, death threats, ETC simply because I have found a successful alternative to their tiny offensive belief system.
What I do today is not RR nor is it any other cult club. No one needs a cult to stop hurting themselves.
isegoria1 2 years ago
@MPArmstrong84 ise spends all his time bashing AA.
wonder why?? maybe he is just obsessed with it, who knows.
cheers
taylormark19 2 years ago
And your comment shows that you can not read. But I like your ignorance, it makes me feel way smarter than I am.
isegoria1 2 years ago
I must admit I was a cynic about you - then I went to AA meetings. Well! I found out: its a cult; their dangerous; you get hit on; its a completely debilitating experience. I still feel traumatised. The most annoying thing is they are recommended by rehab programs. FOR *** SAKE. Keep up the good work. These people are nutters
RememberMyMusic 2 years ago 3
I prefer that you find it out yourself. Shows you are willing to think for yourself. My videos are meant to get a person thinking and it appears I hit the target.
Thanks for the comment
isegoria1 2 years ago
This should be called what AA et al DOES NOT give me - I counted 12 "does nots" against 2 "does". I like the idea of rational recovery. I've recently done a rehab program - it was all about taking responsibility. It was positive training - where are your positives? WHAT exactly does RR do?
DomusVentura 2 years ago
I have posted a follow up video just this morning, thanks for the inspiration. It is posted as a response to this video.
isegoria1 2 years ago
RIGHT ON!!! I completely agree. You summed up my feelings exactly.
carlandlaura 2 years ago
hello again , i'd just like to say that i found your statement that alcohol and aa had equally robbed you of your freedom really fascinating and thought provoking. please keep posting!
dhlshovel 2 years ago
Good vid. What I love about your videos is that they look to the future. Things will get better if we make that choice. Thanks.
FREEMAN860 2 years ago
Looking to the future and having realistic dreams drives us to greatness.
isegoria1 2 years ago
Absolutely,I agree 100%
FREEMAN860 2 years ago
Five, Bro. I have always thought Trimpy's approach to be empowering, something necessary when quieting the Voice. Mike BD
blamethenile 2 years ago 4
Is this AVRT?
tinklebell100 2 years ago
No not exactly
isegoria1 2 years ago
Pretty interesting! What Rational Recovery has given you is about AA!!
So does that mean it is a non-entity?
tinklebell100 2 years ago
It is AA that has taught me to hate it, not Rational Recovery. It defies labels, labels are for the religious who refuse to think for themselves.
isegoria1 2 years ago
@isegoria1 Thanks for posting this. I am starting to read "Rational Recovery" by Trimpy this week (after getting fed up with over 20 years of AA and going nowhere). I'm excited to hear about another alternative. Not to knock AA, but if I can stay sober without ever going to another AA group ever again, I'd be the happiest man on earth.
AngryNewAger 1 year ago
I'm walking away after 11 years of that religious nonsense and brain-numbing crap. It's a risk worth taking I believe. I have no life in AA/NA.
breda83 1 year ago
Nice to see you back! 5/5 this is spot on RR is where its at!
godlessweasel 2 years ago
Tom - This is Rob ex vacillateallday - now closed - just thought I would identify myself considering - would you say that RR is basically will power given another name to make it an entity - i.e. something of an alternative? Personally - looking back - I stopped drinking straight away in AA - what's that? Will power? I think so...as you know I left,and now I drink safely again,and enjoy it socially,like millions NOT AA's concocted alcoholic,hope you are OK? I am enjoying being free from YT! Rob
howpaintdries 2 years ago
isegoria1 Hope your good keep the info coming.
Vacillateallday How is will power an alternative?You made the choice to stop drinking before you went to AA.Thats why you went.If you didnt want to stop you would not of gone..Has the penny dropped Rob?Hope so.
2pWORTH 2 years ago
2pWORTH - Don't believe everything you think!
howpaintdries 2 years ago
Wow, Rob. I am genuinely surprised, and a little saddened. You have added an interesting twist to the mix these past few years, both on Yahoo and here. I have seldom agreed with you, but have always begrudgingly admired your tenacity. Enjoy the next phase of your development, and take care of yourself. Mike BD
blamethenile 2 years ago
Back in the early days of the internets rational recovery gave me lots of lols by way of hate mail on the BB.
Jack's book was great though I thought he should exclude any mention of AA except possibly as a footnote of some sort. This of course is with my absolute joy in his bombastic nature as it relates to AA. I really did get a lot of laffs and ultimately confidence in a steady rejection of the 12 steps. He was taking them on at a time when there scant support of critics. Great Vid.
Later.
MyTherapyBeThis 2 years ago
I tell people that arguing with AA'ers alone will never keep them clean. I have better things to do than argue rationally with people who are in a position that was created by their irrational.
isegoria1 2 years ago
Your back...
Hammersley1967 2 years ago
For right now
isegoria1 2 years ago
Good vid matey!!!
Hammersley1967 2 years ago
It was inspired by coughlan666's "what atheism gives me video.
isegoria1 2 years ago