this whole debate thing is really immature...Getting all personal and stuff has really discredited all involved. I seriously don't know how anyone can or would want to learn from people they dont respect.
I don't study ninjutsu or claim to know authentic ninjutsu from a hole in the wall. I just don't understand why there seems to be so much political fighting in the ninjutsu community. From Hatsumi's first disowned students, Hayes, Genbukan, several other ryu - scrolls, lineage, etc. As a lifelong martial artist, the whole thing is very off-putting.
I'm not saying there isn't value in historical research, I just don't get the politics.
in Brasil when a guy say im this im that im super bad the other masters go to his school and say prove it lets fight right now right here thats how vale tudo started like the gracies did when they first came here so im saying is lets go see if this guy is a real ninja where does he teach lets go see his ninja skills in person lets go test it
im not a ninja dont know much about ninja all that i know comes from movies lol but im a martial artist my family in Brasil as been in martial arts for a long time capoeira and vale tudo my question is..is this Greg guy a ninja or not??thats how we do it in Brasil (e ou nao e) is or it is not ..thank you
You have a bunch of old Ninja scrolls in your basement apartment? Where did you get them, at a pawn shop? I already know Chosunninja is bogus, but I can't buy anyone showing a peek of something they can't show, and making references from it.
It's kind of funny how history repeats itself. If I remember correctly, Houzan Suzuki gave greg a copy of his shuriken book when they got along, and greg presented information from the book as stuff he learned from his secret christian korean ninja master. Now he's using information from Antony's book in the same way.... ha ha
OK WHAT S THE DEAL YOU GUYS, FIRST IS HISTORY ON THIS IS GOOD FOR SOMETHING, 2TH KNOWLEDGE IS ONLY WORTED IF WORKS, YOU CAN ALWAYS REINVENT A WAY TO KICK A WAY TO PUNCH, A WAY TO THE THINGS S LONGEST WORK, SO YOU GUYS ARE REINVESTING SOMETHING. NO RIGHT, SO GUYS A REAL NINJA IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THE FOLLOW HIS IN STING THE HUNTS, A REAL NINJA, IS THE ONE THE IS GOING TO IMPROVISE, SO TEST YOUR KNOWLEDGEABLE TO SEE IF IS GOING TO WORK PROVE THAT ON ACTION.
Here is an interesting point. If a ninja drinks water, it it ninja water? If he breathes air, is it ninja air? If he eats food, is it ninja food? If a ninja uses a bow, is it a ninja bow?
Exsactly my whole thoughts on this. To be honest I judge by wether if its useful or not, I could careless if its written on a scroll or hanging up in some musem somewhere.
The "string spinning around" is actually not because the arrow is shot from the right side of the bow.
It is a relatively new (few hundred years old) thing.
Shooting from the 'right' so to speak has to do with the fact that the bow-string isn't going straight down the middle of the Japanese bow, but is fixed slightly diagonally, Thus doesn't suffer as much from 'archers paradox' and all that.
I recommend Dan DeProspero's books on Kyudo ro the late Yanoma sensei's or a kyudojo
LMFAO ! Chosunninja ! You call yourself a christian, a sensei, but you blocked me and accused me when I questioned you. A typical hypocrite who is so afraid of being revealed by the critics.
You are a fake ass, grey. If you are not afraid of me, or the others, you do not need to avoid us. You said that you are welcome doubts and critics, while you are actually doing the opposite! Now I see your true colors. A typical Korea!
ALL I CAN NOT STAND IS THE FACT THAT THE KOREANS LOVE STEALING OTHERS' COUNTRIES CULTURES, NO MATTER JAPANESE CULTURES, CHINESE CULTURES, YOU NAME IT. THERE IS NO OFFICIAL HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF ANY NINJA EXISTENCE IN KOREA! NEVER! NOT EVEN CHINA HAS DONE THAT KIND OF CLAIMS, WE ALL KNOW CHINA HAS MANY SPYS AND ASSASSINS THROUGH OUT THE HISTORY. I THINK KOREA IS JUST TOO SMALL AND THEIR PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES, EVEN FAKE... TO FULFILL THEIR POOR SELF-ESTEEM. JUST MY THOUGHT!
I find it comical that Greg is commenting and defending himself on this video yet he blocks anyone who questions and disagrees with him on his videos. What a fucking loser. This is why you will never gain legitimacy on your videos and your teachings. SORE LOSER IMO.
Very fair and unbiased review on the silly matter IMO.
Greg is a joke and his teachings are rather inconsistent. I enjoy watching his videos purely for entertainment and laughter. I love reliving my childhood fantasies by watching this delusional dude, kinda reminds me of watching all those Sho Kosugi movies when i was a child.
Ok. this is getting silly. does anyone have sensible questions to put to greg park? Not silly ones. Give names and i will do a video asking. This is getting out of hand.
@crisscross135 cheers, thats what i mean, it breaks down into hate talk, so if we can get good questions together and get him to answer in vid, this would work.
@ChosunNinja Hey Greg. Well, it has been two days since my post and you are only now having a dig at me. What’s the matter? Did you get tired of being proved a fake and a liar? Thought you would pick on someone new? Sorry Greg, I am not going to play with you!
Come off it Greg. It is very clear to everyone that all you learn in Choson Ryu is how to lie and call names and ignore all the proof under your noses. Everything else is useless.
@ChosunNinja Antony gave you a good chance to give your side of things, to debate. Even if some people were aggressive you did not have to rise to it and you could have just ignored them. I think they call it turning the other cheek in Christian circles. You had the opportunity to prove us all wrong, but instead you proved everyone right. You have done yourself no favours here, only damage.
@ChosunNinja Your system has nothing to offer except fantasy. You’re a big fish in a little pond. The world of Martial Arts, outside of YouTube, is massive and filled with real practitioners. You are but a minnow in a sea of whales. We all know who your teacher really is, YouTube!!!!
Now Come on, show the nice people what a good Christian you are and say something really childish and insulting. It will not matter and I do not care.
@TSOAS2008 Honestly Antony. What chance do you think there will be of any kind of civil communication on this with Greg? Watch his videos. He wants controversy, trolling and flaming because in his mind he thinks that he is somehow benefiting from it. He is not going to give you a straight answer on anything, because 1.) He can't, and 2.) He doesn't think that doing so will raise his ratings. He is plainly and simply an attention whore, and that's all.
LOL...Your mental illness is something i use now. You being a Wannabe Attention whore and constant harassing me with your stupidity isn't civil now is it?
Stop being so darn desperate PVC wannabe attention whore getter!
@ChosunNinja Ok. Tell me Greg. How am I constantly harassing you? Do I come on your channel daily and bug you? No. You've had me blocked for a year now, so I can't comment on your channel and videos. How is me making a comment to Antony, harassing you? Your last comment to me simply proved my comment to Antony was right on the money. Thanks Greg!
@ChosunNinja I just watched your video "NINJA Tekken (Authentic Tools)". But I found it little bit strange. When Antony pointed out there is no such tool in Japanese Ninjutsu, you said "The Koreans used cast iron on pot handles & Axes used as 철권 which is an Iron fist 鉄拳, its our (Chosun ryu) authentic Ninjutsu tool".
As far as I know, in the era of Joseon Dynasty(1392-1910), iron was so rare that they had to import them from Japan (more precisely, they imported ironmongery like swords). cont...
@ChosunNinja And one more thing. One of your fan ShuriKurogane commented there "Exactly! These weapons(Iron fist) are put on display in a Japanese ninja museum(Togakusi Ninpo Siryokan)" and got 2 thumb-ups.
If my memory is correct, you claim Koka (Sayaka) ryu Ninja. What has Togakure-ryu Ninja tools to do with you (Koka/Sayaka ryu) ? I really don't get it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@ChosunNinja (cont) Not to mention ordinary citizens,even noble class used to use brass or bronze, instead of iron, for daily necessities like tableware and farm tools. Therefore it's hard to believe Kanja could have ironmongery Tekken.
(BTW, they of course had technology of iron manufacture and cast iron. They just hadn't had enough wood to make iron.JFYI)
You could never get serious with Greg, with his tone in his video even when your on a neutral/good side geez. also in greg video it's either side on shooting this swiss knife bow this is to funnay lol
The Saika group ceased to exist when the Ikko Ikki went away. The Saika Ryu stayed in Japan and made its way to the Kaga Domain after the Ikko Ikki went away. There were no "Saika mercs" during the Korean campaign. Also-- Korea has no examples of Saika Ryu matchlocks either. If Greg says he studies Saika Ryu, then he needs to explain how to build a Saika Ryu matchlock--- since this specific skill is the main discipline of the system.
You mean show you a Imjin war period rifle the Koreans used towards the end of this war? Hahahaha That's not to hard...Then will you not pretend to be educated and stop you false propaganda?
@KoreanNinjutsu We all know that Koreans looted matchlocks from dead samurai. Your claim is that you know Saika Ryu... and I am saying you are lying. Now, if you DO have Saika Ryu, then please explain the specifications of your Saika Ryu matchlock, as the Saika Ryu has a distinct and unique construction. So, how about you make a video detailing the Saika Ryu method and -- how about you make a Saika Ryu matchlock on video-- and then we can continue from there?
LOL...I'll do better than that, how about I point you out to a Museum in South Korea dedicated solely to the man in question. It has all of his accomplishments and your stupidity about "all" from your fallen samurai claims will be put to rest. Can you rewrite history now? Shall we take it from there Sourgrass?
So this is the level we have fallen to, it is such a shame that an opportunity like this has passed, but, maybe one day the "ninja bow" can be debated (by all parties) each adding and lisening to what other people have learned. This was an ideal chance for everyone to state their views and to lisen to other peoples views.
Does it surprise you when i get jumped by the group of name calling defeated children? I mean how many times do they all gang up on me and start insults? This is not the first time and they never stay on the video topic but throw every desperate, twisted, fabricated, and even put words in my mouth and claim I am not civil. Get used to the same old lies and tactic and watch me try to argue with a bunch of obsessed stalkers who constantly reject the truth. No change.
ofcourse "Ninja Bows" existed!!! BUT it does not mean only Shinobi used it! The Ninja Bow or Hankyu was only almost half length of a Long Yumi, or like 130cm!
I owned one of this short japanese Yumi.
Even today it still gives some Ryu in Japan who use this short Bow, but i dont know the name, they are not Kyudo Schools!
The Shinobi used it because better to handle like the over 2m Yumi!
The Bows what used by Choson Ninja have nothing to do with a japanese Yumi or "Ninja Bow"!
@KoreanNinjutsu yes it is!! because i know somebody who make japanese bows for many years, he even know alot about History from japanese Bows and also he helped making the Bows for Movie Last Samurai ;-)
It never gave collapsing bows in japan at this Time, so it cant have something to do with Ninja or Samurai!!!
Although many of you claim I am fake and everything i try to show you is made up, then believe the way you want and i will not stop you. This is authentic teachings and it was used by the Ninja. Especially the Koka & Koreans.
If Japanese so called experts denies this and claims Koka doesn't have it. Believe as you please and i will not stop you. Fair enough?
@KoreanNinjutsu hehe.. no no! i dont need to change bcoz this is history and tradition ;-) it gives nomore authentic Koga Ryu teachings since Fujita Seiko died & as many said ninja´s are not from Korea, but anyway, you know that better!
If everything would be Korean, you would not use japanese terms and names!
But to discuss about is useless, bcoz we talked already in the past & you accept nothing, only change words and call others liar and ignorant because they tell the truthl!
LOL..no no, it's not my fault you failed to understand Sayaga was Japanese and also knew Korean because he spend the rest of his life teaching Koreans and fighting for Koreans and even living there.
@KoreanNinjutsu yes this is you, turn the history to the position that you can use it for your inventions! Korea had no Ninjas *POINT* ! and YES this is you, call me (and others) ignorant, hater and whatever...(even you are the person who are ignorant and lie to teenager)! you are not a serious person if you behave like this! thank you for comment...
My inventions? I could never take all the credit for this. But if Koga didn't make these and you wish to give me all the credit...Then I will declare Korean Ninjutsu does in fact have it if Japan doesn't.
Thank you for the credit. For the record: Choson Ryu has Collapsible bows!
@BujinkanLu Interesting about the Hankyu. I am actually going to do some more research on these as they seem an interesting design. Especially with the string attached at the bent side of the bow. Might be an interesting project to try and build one. I also found out that the Japanese even had much smaller bows as well. Some were as small as 30cm in length.
@ExposeChosunNinja i dont know alot can be found online, i did not see! but in japanese books or traditional Kyujutsu Schools you can get informations! Most of Kyudo Schools have nomore traditional techniques what was used on battlefield or they dont use, even alot dont know about the Hankyu! Hankyu i owned is from Japan, handmade and copy from historical originals! pic you can see on "bujinkan-lu.de/Hankyu1.jpg"
@BujinkanLu Your Hankyu looks like the one in "Ninja The Invisible Assassins" according to Andrew Adams Ninja where experts in Kyujutsu. It bet a whole book could be written on Ninja archery... providing Antony finds more scrolls:P
@crookedninja5 maybe yes! but the bow is not made from this book, it is made from somebody who build japanese bows and study kyujutsu in japan since many years. this bows was also used by womans as i know!
i dont count he find scrolls, not everything abt ninjutsu u can find in scrolls! since always humans use bows, why not ninja too, and is fact the hankyu existed like the long yumi.
@BujinkanLu hey right on... I didn't think your bow was a copy from a book lol. Just saying it looks the same style. The ideal of hankyu may have come from Mongols in the Kamakura Period.... Plus you had to be a a Noble to even use a bow, so that would suggest Ninja may have been Nobles too, as samurai agents in castles etc..
@BujinkanLu Fujita Seiko has described arrows as something similar to today’s bullets in a Japanese magazine called "Liberal". I would imagine he is talking about the arrow heads looking like bullets... Another book called Ninja-ten mentions hiya (fire arrow) horokubi-hiya (baking pan fire arrow) and hankyu (half size bow).
@TheMrsmooncakeno1 I have read teppujutsu used arrows like bullets, as well a bow can shoot "hiya etc. The samurai used those methods too with poisons, smoke etc...
My response to you....It's better than the stainless Steele wall hangers you guys keep buying and trying to as a wannabeChosuninjato. Trust me on this!
Why is it that Greg and others who attack him always end up just arguing and name calling. Please, everyone, stick to subject. Greg, answer the questions, other people, ask them in a polite manner. Are we not trying to get to the bottom of a problem?
Problem? Isn't it other don't know JACK and whine like children because i teach for free and they insist on insulting me when i don't even know them?
What is their lame problem for insulting me first without examination of my tools or have they even trained with me for even a week? Which one of these liars are qualified to insult me without their ego?
Although I'm sure some critics of gregs aren't being very diplomatic in their presentation of the arguments - many, me included, have tried to be(I still try).
The issue here lies with the fact that Greg percieves any, and all, critique of his martial art, as personal attacks, and as "hating" - and quickly turns sour if people won't just accept what he is saying right off the bat.
Are you talking about comments made on my videos? Or here?
Again, I have removed no comments against you, neither here nor on my videos, so if you claim that, you're the one who's lying.
I have never made any issue about you being half korean - I specifically state in the videos I made, that I don't care about your ethnicity and view it as irrelevant to the issue.
So again, what's your point? Who's the one who "keeps trying"?
I understand that 50 feet throwing makes not sense because you lack real Ninjutsu knowledge and staying up on a tree with a 10 feet Japanese traditional bow and shooting it traditional style is logical to you . But come on...start telling the truth about your lies and your ignorance and your insults.
@KoreanNinjutsu Or you can stop trying to discredit me based on BS that you can't even demonstrate.
Stop projecting yourself unto others - The only liar here is obviously you, which you prove when you're completely unwilling to meet me halfway and do anything that might prove which one of us is right.
If you'd be willing to have a discussion like an adult, I'd be happy to tell you why shuriken are short-distance throwing weapons - But alas, you won't.
@KoreanNinjutsu I made the three critique videos private, if that's what you're refering to. I could delete them if you want to? I made them private because deleting them would be a waste, but I wanted to withdraw from this quietly, because it's become very obvious that you are completely unwilling to even assess any criticism against you, and childishly try to discredit me for no reason.
@KoreanNinjutsu I've been nothing but polite, and reasonable with my criticism, and you could easily have been the same when commenting back to me - but you haven't. So I don't think you are at liberty to be calling me a liar etc. If you really feel so strongly about what I wrote, why don't we have an ordinairy discussion as adults, over PM, or via Skype?
You flat out lying to me like this suppose to convince me? Maybe other viewers might believe you because they don't know what you have removed and even claimed from the past. But how are you going to convince me? Your lies are going to work on me? You believe your own delusions and expect me to listen to you?
Shall I chat with you privately so yo can hide your insults and then come here claiming you were civil? Why do you guys spam & go off topic with lies on Antony's video?
@KoreanNinjutsu Where am I lying to you? I'm asking you straight out, why can't you give me a straight answer? I'll happily even make my videos public again, so you can screenshot and show me the places you refer to.
What a cop out in any case - I offer you a possiblity to talk at length, and explain to me what exactly your problem is, and you refuse to while making more obtuse accusations against me - Seriously man, how low can you get?
You removed comments, this doesn't allow people to see it now does it? Must be continent to talk trash and make no sense and then scream you never did. You straight out did this!
Your accusation when you don't even know me don't count right? This suppose to be logical or even civil? This straight out enough for you?
@KoreanNinjutsu Secondly, I asked you pretty clearly "where" this is supposed to have happened, so no, you're still not talking straight, and you're still being obtuse and rude for no reason while lying about what I've done, and haven't done.
@KoreanNinjutsu What's worse is that I've tried to keep civil since the start, and even in my videos advised others to do the same - The reason why, should be apparent to anyone who reads our exchange - After all, you go on a tangent and use in uncivil behavior as an excuse to not respond, or respond in anger.
Don't you see that your rhetorics hurt you more than me, in doing so?
@KoreanNinjutsu Firstly, you are the one that responded to my comment first - So no, I did not come to this video to interact with you - You however, came to this video and started to interact with me.
Like I said, you cane here to talk trash about me with your ignorance in Real Ninjutsu and indirectly insulted me..... NOT CIVIL at all and now you spam with off topic baloney.
Allow me to ask you in a civil way...Can you show me your GREAT skills and shot a Yumi on a tree? Fair and civil enough?
@KoreanNinjutsu Again, where did I trash talk you? Making a criticism does not equal talking trash - This only means your ego is so big you're completely unable to handle any kind of criticism at all.
Why are you asking me to shoot a Yumi from a tree? This makes no sense what so ever.
Attention everyone, here is the Gamebreaker : The Saika Ryu was more than HOW to use a gun, it was HOW TO MAKE A GUN. The Saika style of making matchlocks and such was the real reason they used the guns-- because they made them ! Thus, the Saika Ryu does not predate the manufacturing of Matchlocks. Thus, there is no way that Saika Ryu came from Korea. End of story.
What a complete MORON! Sayaga (saika and also known as Kim Chung Seon) taught Korean how to use rifles and he came from Japan. GAME OPENER for the truth!!!!!!!!!
Get your facts straight and then try looking looking like a know it all.
The big question here is why is Gregs' Ninja bow the same as the one in Japanese research (maybe by Nawa) and only appears in modern books. Why would his secret bow be the same as this?
@TSOAS2008 I agree. I think the sources that Greg is getting his information from should be in the foremost of everyone's minds! Why does it mirror the information you have put out. Greg is infamous for using other people's research to legitimize himself without getting permission or giving credit where it is due!
Last time i checked. people miss things and i fill them in. Lets see if the infamous clowns who call themselves Ninjutsu practitioners starts copying my medicine and authentic Ninjutsu teachings. If Bujinkan claims they teach it now...People will clearly see who is copying who.
Well that never stopped the haters now did it? So what is your point? You parasites can make more than me and be a clown but I can not teach people more?
Am I suppose to be shocked and stop because you commented? HAHAHAHA! Keep trying.
@SweetgrassScout I think it's only a violation if you've had an account terminated by Youtube, which Greg has, so either way he's in violation of their policy. Problem is, they don't seem to want to either hear about it or do anything about it.
@KoreanNinjutsu I will teach that which I have personally been taught by my teacher. Nothing more. Nothing less. I have no intentions of copying anything that you or Antony present, because it is simply useless information to me if it has not been taught to me by someone who I know knows what they are doing and talking about, and who has been taught it from the source. If there are parallels, that is not my fault!
@KoreanNinjutsu I have no idea what you are even reffering to Greg? I said, why does your ninja bow represent the same style as Nawas bow, which is not in the historical record of the ninja? Its not an insult. It is a question.
Antony, here we go again. If the Ninja bow I was taught looks like a Korean style bow or a Chinese style bow and you didn't find it in a book or a scroll...this is what was taught to me. If Japanese historical records or even museums don't have anything like these Korean short bows..then nobody from the Japanese system should copy me. This answer good enough?
Now as for the "NOT" Ninja mentioned on the video, Is everyone just as retarded & blind as PVC Ninja?
Antony, you mean to tell me that you can not notice the similarities of my Ninja bow to Korean traditional bows back far in history? And the big question was??????
referring to: "Gregs' Ninja bow the same as the one in Japanese research (maybe by Nawa) and only appears in modern books."
@KoreanNinjutsu The problem with your little blurb here is that your bows don't look anything like traditional Korean bows either. They look like pawn shop recurves that you have chopped up and violated.
@coyoterunner7 Have you ever asked yourself why the term Nintaijutsu only appears in two places. In Greg's videos, and on Naruto Anime. I have never seen the term used anywhere else.
Anthony-Off topic. BTW .Still waiting you to post some Info on Shinobi Firearm Tactics etc.Been reading quite a bit on the Shimazu clan.Pretty interesting stuff.Cant wait to see what you have found out.
@ToLightToFight as i know there are no tactics? Nothing i have read. There are firearms in the bansenshukai with tricks. But what do you mean by tactics?
I applaud and respect the research you are doing, but i dont think the people who actively go out of their way to troll Choson ninja and his students and try to get him banned have any intention of working peacefully with him. if i was greg, i'd be suspicious about having anything to do with such people as well.
@ASHJBKH2 Its the natural consequence when a person lies and steals. It is very simple.. Lying and Stealing = Negative consequences. Greg is not running from "trolls"--- he is running from the results of his own actions.
@ASHJBKH2 nobody wants him banned and no one is trolling him. Trolling is unfair review? I am pointing out where he is wrong and the other giy by using historical documentation, that is trolling?
@TSOAS2008 i wasnt saying you are trolling, i respect what you are trying to do. i was merely saying that SOME of his critics seem to attack him obsessively, (i dont know whether you work with them or not) and its little wonder that he is reluctant to work peacefully with everyone.
@ASHJBKH2 Hey. I understand your concerns here. Believe me when I say, I would like nothing more than to never have to utter another word or write another comment to Greg Park ever again. The trouble is, I have difficulty turning the other cheek when I see a raving egomaniac teaching dangerous things to ignorant people, free or not, and flat out lying to people. I simply cannot turn away from that. I apologize if that offends you!
To be perfectly clear : My cold response to these individuals is not to cover the entirety of their life. I wish them a good and healthy life, and that they have happiness and that they are free of suffering. Beyond that, I wish that they became from of attachment and aversion. I wish they have joy. This goes to Greg too. My "issue" is not with them as human beings... my attacks manifest when they involve themselves in Fake Ninjutsu-- and to that end, they need to be crushed.
I would just like to comment about the collapsible bow.
Antony says to use a shorter bow, lets say the shortest a bow can go is about the length of an adults arm. That is still pretty hard to conceal and still be able to maneuver freely. If one use a collapsible bow that could break down to the length of an adults fore arm it would be easily concealed and not hamper maneuvering. It would probably be utilized in getting into position in a crowded area or something like that.
@AtomicToyRobot Some Asian bows were small enough to carry in a holster either strapped to a horse or strapped to a person's back. They could easily be concealed and carried as they were light and small.
@AtomicToyRobot A Ninja would also probably not carry a bow, collapsible or otherwise into a crowded area, because he wouldn't be able to use it in any kind of effective way anyway. If a Ninja were posing as a Samurai from the enemy ranks however, he could walk around carrying a full length Yumi, and no one would bat an eye at him, so your point is moot!
Listen I'm no historian nor am i claiming to be, nor have i studied any form of martial arts. The only training ive had is in boxing. I was just stating what I thought made sense. People use collapsible rifles for the same reasons I said, I just took that logic and applied it to the idea of a bow. That's all saying my point is moot I feel isn't necessary, regardless of ur responce I still believe it is a very plausible scenario.
@AtomicToyRobot Fair enough! I will pm you a site that talks about the various historical bows used throughout Japanese history. Perhaps this information will shed some light on things.
Antony your vid is a little confusing, you say you can't find a ninja bow, then you hold up a scroll and you say "ninja bow? lol.... and its realistic for a take-down arrow to fit in a hat... + take-down/collapsible bows are very real. as well it would be nice if you give more info on that short bow.
Instead of any name calling (by all parties) I think it would be better to use this oppertunity to discuss these and other issues as adults, Mr Parks has been good enough to come onto this site, so this is a real chance to ask him any questions you may have, also for him to put forward some of his beliefs and teachings.
I wasn't going to post anything here. But here it is. What the hell...
Look everyone. Greg Park has been "ousted" as a fraud on numerous occasions all over Youtube and the Internet. It's getting boring. Of course he's lying about Kim Kei Mei. Of course he's lying about Koka and Saika. Of course he's lying about his 12 ninja seniors. That's what Greg Park DOES. Anyone who can't see it now is just in on it or .... well... stupid. I honestly think he suffers from a disorder. The end.
@WilltheWriter Its more than simply showing how someone is fabricating material--- it is also about addressing each fabrication within the large fabrication. For example, exposing the reality of Kyujutsu, the truth of Saika mercs, the truth of "sniper skills", etc.etc.. Its like killing an entire flock of birds with one stone.
I agree with all that you're saying. It's just that you guys really have your work cut out for you with Greg... He's one of the most manipulative, blatant liars I have ever seen. At least Ashida Kim can be funny...
@WilltheWriter Antony has his work cut out. I refuse to work with Greg Park until he stops his fabrication. Antony and I work on the same team, but it does not mean that we have the same mindset. Antony has compassion for people and wants to bring everyone up to speed... I say cut the cancer out. Antony wants everyone to have a chance. I say "F**k that." If "plastic ninjas" are willing to change-- fine. But most are unwilling to change, and you can't work with that..says I.
@WilltheWriter and this is because, in the "ninja community", those who enact frauds often times are serial liars... one big lie compounded by numerous smaller lies. Thus, it is never just a job of saying "He is teaching real material, but he is a liar about lineage". It almost always is a matter of "He is lying about lineage.. and everything else." Therefore, ousting a fraud is inseperable with having to correct lots of misinformation.
@WilltheWriter Will no one is really talking about his lineage, only his believers belive him. This is not a problem. The main issue here is the powder, the bow and the theft of information. P.S i have been trying to get hold of you for ages! Can you inbox me please.
Good for you. As educated as you are, maybe you can also demonstrate how Newton's 3rd law applies and/or how you can arrange it so that it contributes to optimal angular momentum of the stick.
Did I forget to mention the gripping of the stick you display is the poorest and we will make sure people don't do it like that during the contributes to optimal angular momentum of the stick. (?)
We have to thank you for the incorrect ways you show so we point these out too.
Really now? Are you going to elaborate on that or are you just going to say ''you are wrong I am right'' and leave it at that like you normally do? I'll demonstrate shortly my 'incorrect way' again. Make sure your people will watch so you can point out my errors.
Everyone can view AND comment on my vids. Even you. Your students are welcome to view my vids. Humor me and explain to them in a comment on my vids where I err and why that's wrong. It's bad teaching not to explain why something is wrong.
Btw, they are having a field day with you on MAP. Just click on the link under that Kali-class vid you posted on Janet's channel. And all I asked was: ''Which style is this?''. You claim this was taught to you by a LA-based GM. Just tell me his style. Or if you claim to have combined different styles just tell me one. Or was this way also taught to you in private and passed down for generations?
But please tell the audience. On which style or styles is your stickfighting based upon? You don't even dare to tell that, do you? You know why? Because that can be verified. And the actual practitioners would be insulted by your claim. But no matter. Janet would get the heat for it anyway. So why not share that little knowledge also?
ChosonRyu, Korean Ninjutsu, Kim Kei Mei system, and I call it Nintaijutsu! I wanted to just teach and call it ChosonDTG Karate for peace sake. But the crying never stopped and even more insult were thrown at me.
But the racism and constant harassment convinced me to now teach authentic Ninjutsu and watch the fakes cry about it.
If i have to call it one name. It's now going to be AUTHENTIC NINJUTSU!
If your stick fighting is part of ninjutsu then why would you refer to it originally as Kali / Eskrima? Practitioners of Irish stick fighting or Baton de Combat wouldn't.
You have claimed that your stick fighting is taught by LA-
this whole debate thing is really immature...Getting all personal and stuff has really discredited all involved. I seriously don't know how anyone can or would want to learn from people they dont respect.
azmanntoz 1 day ago
I don't study ninjutsu or claim to know authentic ninjutsu from a hole in the wall. I just don't understand why there seems to be so much political fighting in the ninjutsu community. From Hatsumi's first disowned students, Hayes, Genbukan, several other ryu - scrolls, lineage, etc. As a lifelong martial artist, the whole thing is very off-putting.
I'm not saying there isn't value in historical research, I just don't get the politics.
OneSelfDefense 2 days ago
@OneSelfDefense In the 80's historical validation = lots of money, from that we have the splits, so tying to undo all that.
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DanielGyosunim 3 days ago
in Brasil when a guy say im this im that im super bad the other masters go to his school and say prove it lets fight right now right here thats how vale tudo started like the gracies did when they first came here so im saying is lets go see if this guy is a real ninja where does he teach lets go see his ninja skills in person lets go test it
twyztted 3 days ago
im not a ninja dont know much about ninja all that i know comes from movies lol but im a martial artist my family in Brasil as been in martial arts for a long time capoeira and vale tudo my question is..is this Greg guy a ninja or not??thats how we do it in Brasil (e ou nao e) is or it is not ..thank you
twyztted 3 days ago
You have a bunch of old Ninja scrolls in your basement apartment? Where did you get them, at a pawn shop? I already know Chosunninja is bogus, but I can't buy anyone showing a peek of something they can't show, and making references from it.
Yakainnekka 3 days ago
It's kind of funny how history repeats itself. If I remember correctly, Houzan Suzuki gave greg a copy of his shuriken book when they got along, and greg presented information from the book as stuff he learned from his secret christian korean ninja master. Now he's using information from Antony's book in the same way.... ha ha
MARICHIYA 1 week ago 2
OK WHAT S THE DEAL YOU GUYS, FIRST IS HISTORY ON THIS IS GOOD FOR SOMETHING, 2TH KNOWLEDGE IS ONLY WORTED IF WORKS, YOU CAN ALWAYS REINVENT A WAY TO KICK A WAY TO PUNCH, A WAY TO THE THINGS S LONGEST WORK, SO YOU GUYS ARE REINVESTING SOMETHING. NO RIGHT, SO GUYS A REAL NINJA IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THE FOLLOW HIS IN STING THE HUNTS, A REAL NINJA, IS THE ONE THE IS GOING TO IMPROVISE, SO TEST YOUR KNOWLEDGEABLE TO SEE IF IS GOING TO WORK PROVE THAT ON ACTION.
jesuselmexicanarts 1 week ago
Here is an interesting point. If a ninja drinks water, it it ninja water? If he breathes air, is it ninja air? If he eats food, is it ninja food? If a ninja uses a bow, is it a ninja bow?
megaohmz 2 weeks ago 4
@megaohmz Great explanation.
j2091957 2 weeks ago
@megaohmz
Exsactly my whole thoughts on this. To be honest I judge by wether if its useful or not, I could careless if its written on a scroll or hanging up in some musem somewhere.
Adeezywasheezy 1 week ago
The "string spinning around" is actually not because the arrow is shot from the right side of the bow.
It is a relatively new (few hundred years old) thing.
Shooting from the 'right' so to speak has to do with the fact that the bow-string isn't going straight down the middle of the Japanese bow, but is fixed slightly diagonally, Thus doesn't suffer as much from 'archers paradox' and all that.
I recommend Dan DeProspero's books on Kyudo ro the late Yanoma sensei's or a kyudojo
:)
Peekingduck 2 weeks ago
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LMFAO ! Chosunninja ! You call yourself a christian, a sensei, but you blocked me and accused me when I questioned you. A typical hypocrite who is so afraid of being revealed by the critics.
You are a fake ass, grey. If you are not afraid of me, or the others, you do not need to avoid us. You said that you are welcome doubts and critics, while you are actually doing the opposite! Now I see your true colors. A typical Korea!
alexcrixus 3 weeks ago
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alexcrixus 3 weeks ago
ALL I CAN NOT STAND IS THE FACT THAT THE KOREANS LOVE STEALING OTHERS' COUNTRIES CULTURES, NO MATTER JAPANESE CULTURES, CHINESE CULTURES, YOU NAME IT. THERE IS NO OFFICIAL HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF ANY NINJA EXISTENCE IN KOREA! NEVER! NOT EVEN CHINA HAS DONE THAT KIND OF CLAIMS, WE ALL KNOW CHINA HAS MANY SPYS AND ASSASSINS THROUGH OUT THE HISTORY. I THINK KOREA IS JUST TOO SMALL AND THEIR PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES, EVEN FAKE... TO FULFILL THEIR POOR SELF-ESTEEM. JUST MY THOUGHT!
alexcrixus 3 weeks ago
I find it comical that Greg is commenting and defending himself on this video yet he blocks anyone who questions and disagrees with him on his videos. What a fucking loser. This is why you will never gain legitimacy on your videos and your teachings. SORE LOSER IMO.
MASTERNCS 3 weeks ago 2
Very fair and unbiased review on the silly matter IMO.
Greg is a joke and his teachings are rather inconsistent. I enjoy watching his videos purely for entertainment and laughter. I love reliving my childhood fantasies by watching this delusional dude, kinda reminds me of watching all those Sho Kosugi movies when i was a child.
MASTERNCS 3 weeks ago 2
If there are still people who believe Greg Park, they are helpless morons.
poodle8noodle 3 weeks ago
@poodle8noodle well said.
supergamerman100 3 weeks ago
Ok. this is getting silly. does anyone have sensible questions to put to greg park? Not silly ones. Give names and i will do a video asking. This is getting out of hand.
TSOAS2008 3 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008 in box them to me.
TSOAS2008 3 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008 Hi Antony. To be honest, most of the comments have been civil, and a few good discussions.
I have gone through all, and it is only when Greg comments, people are reacting hostile.
This is due to Greg not making one polite comment. He is only coming here to antagonise.
It would have been a real breakthrough if he had discussed rather than flamed.
But that is his nature. He will say he is defending but they are attacks, and he knows it. He forgets about time stamps.
crisscross135 3 weeks ago 7
@crisscross135 cheers, thats what i mean, it breaks down into hate talk, so if we can get good questions together and get him to answer in vid, this would work.
TSOAS2008 3 weeks ago 3
@crisscross135
Gee, was I the first to attack and insult? Guess you forgot the time stamp?
Your lies considered polite?
ChosunNinja 3 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja Hey Greg. Well, it has been two days since my post and you are only now having a dig at me. What’s the matter? Did you get tired of being proved a fake and a liar? Thought you would pick on someone new? Sorry Greg, I am not going to play with you!
Come off it Greg. It is very clear to everyone that all you learn in Choson Ryu is how to lie and call names and ignore all the proof under your noses. Everything else is useless.
crisscross135 3 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja Antony gave you a good chance to give your side of things, to debate. Even if some people were aggressive you did not have to rise to it and you could have just ignored them. I think they call it turning the other cheek in Christian circles. You had the opportunity to prove us all wrong, but instead you proved everyone right. You have done yourself no favours here, only damage.
crisscross135 3 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja Your system has nothing to offer except fantasy. You’re a big fish in a little pond. The world of Martial Arts, outside of YouTube, is massive and filled with real practitioners. You are but a minnow in a sea of whales. We all know who your teacher really is, YouTube!!!!
Now Come on, show the nice people what a good Christian you are and say something really childish and insulting. It will not matter and I do not care.
crisscross135 3 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008 Honestly Antony. What chance do you think there will be of any kind of civil communication on this with Greg? Watch his videos. He wants controversy, trolling and flaming because in his mind he thinks that he is somehow benefiting from it. He is not going to give you a straight answer on anything, because 1.) He can't, and 2.) He doesn't think that doing so will raise his ratings. He is plainly and simply an attention whore, and that's all.
ExposeChosunNinja 3 weeks ago 11
@ExposeChosunNinja
LOL...Your mental illness is something i use now. You being a Wannabe Attention whore and constant harassing me with your stupidity isn't civil now is it?
Stop being so darn desperate PVC wannabe attention whore getter!
ChosunNinja 3 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja Ok. Tell me Greg. How am I constantly harassing you? Do I come on your channel daily and bug you? No. You've had me blocked for a year now, so I can't comment on your channel and videos. How is me making a comment to Antony, harassing you? Your last comment to me simply proved my comment to Antony was right on the money. Thanks Greg!
ExposeChosunNinja 3 weeks ago 9
@ExposeChosunNinja
Your PVC glasses must be failing. Watch all your POLITE videos and then ask me how you are NOT harassing me.
You a damn genius or what?
ChosunNinja 3 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja Oh Boo Hoo! Like you don't do the same to us Greg!
ExposeChosunNinja 3 weeks ago
@ExposeChosunPVCNinja
BTW: What was the basic level of chemistry on PVC anyways?
ChosunNinja 3 weeks ago
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ExposeChosunNinja 3 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja I believe the formula is C2H3Cl
ExposeChosunNinja 3 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja I just watched your video "NINJA Tekken (Authentic Tools)". But I found it little bit strange. When Antony pointed out there is no such tool in Japanese Ninjutsu, you said "The Koreans used cast iron on pot handles & Axes used as 철권 which is an Iron fist 鉄拳, its our (Chosun ryu) authentic Ninjutsu tool".
As far as I know, in the era of Joseon Dynasty(1392-1910), iron was so rare that they had to import them from Japan (more precisely, they imported ironmongery like swords). cont...
Daviysoh 3 weeks ago
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@ChosunNinja And one more thing. One of your fan ShuriKurogane commented there "Exactly! These weapons(Iron fist) are put on display in a Japanese ninja museum(Togakusi Ninpo Siryokan)" and got 2 thumb-ups.
If my memory is correct, you claim Koka (Sayaka) ryu Ninja. What has Togakure-ryu Ninja tools to do with you (Koka/Sayaka ryu) ? I really don't get it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Daviysoh 3 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja (cont) Not to mention ordinary citizens,even noble class used to use brass or bronze, instead of iron, for daily necessities like tableware and farm tools. Therefore it's hard to believe Kanja could have ironmongery Tekken.
(BTW, they of course had technology of iron manufacture and cast iron. They just hadn't had enough wood to make iron.JFYI)
Daviysoh 3 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008 See> What'd I tell you!
ExposeChosunNinja 3 weeks ago
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crookedninja5 4 weeks ago
You could never get serious with Greg, with his tone in his video even when your on a neutral/good side geez. also in greg video it's either side on shooting this swiss knife bow this is to funnay lol
hotpopcorncake 4 weeks ago
greg lies a lot. he cant even tell you his name of his teacher.
supergamerman100 4 weeks ago
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Kungfumastertraining 4 weeks ago
The Saika group ceased to exist when the Ikko Ikki went away. The Saika Ryu stayed in Japan and made its way to the Kaga Domain after the Ikko Ikki went away. There were no "Saika mercs" during the Korean campaign. Also-- Korea has no examples of Saika Ryu matchlocks either. If Greg says he studies Saika Ryu, then he needs to explain how to build a Saika Ryu matchlock--- since this specific skill is the main discipline of the system.
SweetgrassScout 4 weeks ago
@SweetgrassScout
You mean show you a Imjin war period rifle the Koreans used towards the end of this war? Hahahaha That's not to hard...Then will you not pretend to be educated and stop you false propaganda?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu We all know that Koreans looted matchlocks from dead samurai. Your claim is that you know Saika Ryu... and I am saying you are lying. Now, if you DO have Saika Ryu, then please explain the specifications of your Saika Ryu matchlock, as the Saika Ryu has a distinct and unique construction. So, how about you make a video detailing the Saika Ryu method and -- how about you make a Saika Ryu matchlock on video-- and then we can continue from there?
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@SweetgrassScout
LOL...I'll do better than that, how about I point you out to a Museum in South Korea dedicated solely to the man in question. It has all of his accomplishments and your stupidity about "all" from your fallen samurai claims will be put to rest. Can you rewrite history now? Shall we take it from there Sourgrass?
KoreanNinjutsu 3 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu I pity you.
SweetgrassScout 3 weeks ago
@SweetgrassScout
LOL...Is this all you got now as a come back?
Was a Museum and real artifacts to much for you?
KoreanNinjutsu 3 weeks ago
So this is the level we have fallen to, it is such a shame that an opportunity like this has passed, but, maybe one day the "ninja bow" can be debated (by all parties) each adding and lisening to what other people have learned. This was an ideal chance for everyone to state their views and to lisen to other peoples views.
j2091957 4 weeks ago
@j2091957
Does it surprise you when i get jumped by the group of name calling defeated children? I mean how many times do they all gang up on me and start insults? This is not the first time and they never stay on the video topic but throw every desperate, twisted, fabricated, and even put words in my mouth and claim I am not civil. Get used to the same old lies and tactic and watch me try to argue with a bunch of obsessed stalkers who constantly reject the truth. No change.
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
ofcourse "Ninja Bows" existed!!! BUT it does not mean only Shinobi used it! The Ninja Bow or Hankyu was only almost half length of a Long Yumi, or like 130cm!
I owned one of this short japanese Yumi.
Even today it still gives some Ryu in Japan who use this short Bow, but i dont know the name, they are not Kyudo Schools!
The Shinobi used it because better to handle like the over 2m Yumi!
The Bows what used by Choson Ninja have nothing to do with a japanese Yumi or "Ninja Bow"!
BujinkanLu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu
Collapsing bow has nothing to do with Ninja eh? This your final opinion?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu yes it is!! because i know somebody who make japanese bows for many years, he even know alot about History from japanese Bows and also he helped making the Bows for Movie Last Samurai ;-)
It never gave collapsing bows in japan at this Time, so it cant have something to do with Ninja or Samurai!!!
BujinkanLu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu
Although many of you claim I am fake and everything i try to show you is made up, then believe the way you want and i will not stop you. This is authentic teachings and it was used by the Ninja. Especially the Koka & Koreans.
If Japanese so called experts denies this and claims Koka doesn't have it. Believe as you please and i will not stop you. Fair enough?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu
Just make sure you don't change your stories later and claim otherwise or even teach your followers about Collapsing bow of the Ninja.
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu hehe.. no no! i dont need to change bcoz this is history and tradition ;-) it gives nomore authentic Koga Ryu teachings since Fujita Seiko died & as many said ninja´s are not from Korea, but anyway, you know that better!
If everything would be Korean, you would not use japanese terms and names!
But to discuss about is useless, bcoz we talked already in the past & you accept nothing, only change words and call others liar and ignorant because they tell the truthl!
BujinkanLu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu
LOL..no no, it's not my fault you failed to understand Sayaga was Japanese and also knew Korean because he spend the rest of his life teaching Koreans and fighting for Koreans and even living there.
No worries, I forgive you for your ignorance.
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu yes this is you, turn the history to the position that you can use it for your inventions! Korea had no Ninjas *POINT* ! and YES this is you, call me (and others) ignorant, hater and whatever...(even you are the person who are ignorant and lie to teenager)! you are not a serious person if you behave like this! thank you for comment...
BujinkanLu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu
My inventions? I could never take all the credit for this. But if Koga didn't make these and you wish to give me all the credit...Then I will declare Korean Ninjutsu does in fact have it if Japan doesn't.
Thank you for the credit. For the record: Choson Ryu has Collapsible bows!
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu Interesting about the Hankyu. I am actually going to do some more research on these as they seem an interesting design. Especially with the string attached at the bent side of the bow. Might be an interesting project to try and build one. I also found out that the Japanese even had much smaller bows as well. Some were as small as 30cm in length.
ExposeChosunNinja 4 weeks ago
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BujinkanLu 4 weeks ago
@ExposeChosunNinja i dont know alot can be found online, i did not see! but in japanese books or traditional Kyujutsu Schools you can get informations! Most of Kyudo Schools have nomore traditional techniques what was used on battlefield or they dont use, even alot dont know about the Hankyu! Hankyu i owned is from Japan, handmade and copy from historical originals! pic you can see on "bujinkan-lu.de/Hankyu1.jpg"
BujinkanLu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu Interesting. Thank you.
ExposeChosunNinja 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu Your Hankyu looks like the one in "Ninja The Invisible Assassins" according to Andrew Adams Ninja where experts in Kyujutsu. It bet a whole book could be written on Ninja archery... providing Antony finds more scrolls:P
crookedninja5 4 weeks ago
@crookedninja5 maybe yes! but the bow is not made from this book, it is made from somebody who build japanese bows and study kyujutsu in japan since many years. this bows was also used by womans as i know!
i dont count he find scrolls, not everything abt ninjutsu u can find in scrolls! since always humans use bows, why not ninja too, and is fact the hankyu existed like the long yumi.
BujinkanLu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu hey right on... I didn't think your bow was a copy from a book lol. Just saying it looks the same style. The ideal of hankyu may have come from Mongols in the Kamakura Period.... Plus you had to be a a Noble to even use a bow, so that would suggest Ninja may have been Nobles too, as samurai agents in castles etc..
crookedninja5 4 weeks ago
@crookedninja5 yes i understood, no problem :)
BujinkanLu 4 weeks ago
@BujinkanLu Fujita Seiko has described arrows as something similar to today’s bullets in a Japanese magazine called "Liberal". I would imagine he is talking about the arrow heads looking like bullets... Another book called Ninja-ten mentions hiya (fire arrow) horokubi-hiya (baking pan fire arrow) and hankyu (half size bow).
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TheMrsmooncakeno1 4 weeks ago
@TheMrsmooncakeno1 I have read teppujutsu used arrows like bullets, as well a bow can shoot "hiya etc. The samurai used those methods too with poisons, smoke etc...
Nawa mentions the hankyu and the above...
crookedninja5 4 weeks ago
@TheStrawberryLolicon
My response to you....It's better than the stainless Steele wall hangers you guys keep buying and trying to as a wannabeChosuninjato. Trust me on this!
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
Why is it that Greg and others who attack him always end up just arguing and name calling. Please, everyone, stick to subject. Greg, answer the questions, other people, ask them in a polite manner. Are we not trying to get to the bottom of a problem?
TSOAS2008 4 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008
Problem? Isn't it other don't know JACK and whine like children because i teach for free and they insist on insulting me when i don't even know them?
What is their lame problem for insulting me first without examination of my tools or have they even trained with me for even a week? Which one of these liars are qualified to insult me without their ego?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008 That's not entirely true now is it?
Although I'm sure some critics of gregs aren't being very diplomatic in their presentation of the arguments - many, me included, have tried to be(I still try).
The issue here lies with the fact that Greg percieves any, and all, critique of his martial art, as personal attacks, and as "hating" - and quickly turns sour if people won't just accept what he is saying right off the bat.
hian 4 weeks ago
@hian
You lying and removing comments is suppose to be any and all critique? Really?
How about racial comments and making me being also half Korean an issue (including you)?
People can see you comments and your videos?
You still try
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu What exactly are you talking about?
Are you talking about comments made on my videos? Or here?
Again, I have removed no comments against you, neither here nor on my videos, so if you claim that, you're the one who's lying.
I have never made any issue about you being half korean - I specifically state in the videos I made, that I don't care about your ethnicity and view it as irrelevant to the issue.
So again, what's your point? Who's the one who "keeps trying"?
hian 4 weeks ago
@hian
I understand that 50 feet throwing makes not sense because you lack real Ninjutsu knowledge and staying up on a tree with a 10 feet Japanese traditional bow and shooting it traditional style is logical to you . But come on...start telling the truth about your lies and your ignorance and your insults.
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu Or you can stop trying to discredit me based on BS that you can't even demonstrate.
Stop projecting yourself unto others - The only liar here is obviously you, which you prove when you're completely unwilling to meet me halfway and do anything that might prove which one of us is right.
If you'd be willing to have a discussion like an adult, I'd be happy to tell you why shuriken are short-distance throwing weapons - But alas, you won't.
hian 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu I made the three critique videos private, if that's what you're refering to. I could delete them if you want to? I made them private because deleting them would be a waste, but I wanted to withdraw from this quietly, because it's become very obvious that you are completely unwilling to even assess any criticism against you, and childishly try to discredit me for no reason.
hian 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu I've been nothing but polite, and reasonable with my criticism, and you could easily have been the same when commenting back to me - but you haven't. So I don't think you are at liberty to be calling me a liar etc. If you really feel so strongly about what I wrote, why don't we have an ordinairy discussion as adults, over PM, or via Skype?
hian 4 weeks ago
@hian
You flat out lying to me like this suppose to convince me? Maybe other viewers might believe you because they don't know what you have removed and even claimed from the past. But how are you going to convince me? Your lies are going to work on me? You believe your own delusions and expect me to listen to you?
Shall I chat with you privately so yo can hide your insults and then come here claiming you were civil? Why do you guys spam & go off topic with lies on Antony's video?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu Where am I lying to you? I'm asking you straight out, why can't you give me a straight answer? I'll happily even make my videos public again, so you can screenshot and show me the places you refer to.
What a cop out in any case - I offer you a possiblity to talk at length, and explain to me what exactly your problem is, and you refuse to while making more obtuse accusations against me - Seriously man, how low can you get?
hian 4 weeks ago
@hian
You removed comments, this doesn't allow people to see it now does it? Must be continent to talk trash and make no sense and then scream you never did. You straight out did this!
Your accusation when you don't even know me don't count right? This suppose to be logical or even civil? This straight out enough for you?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu Secondly, I asked you pretty clearly "where" this is supposed to have happened, so no, you're still not talking straight, and you're still being obtuse and rude for no reason while lying about what I've done, and haven't done.
hian 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu What's worse is that I've tried to keep civil since the start, and even in my videos advised others to do the same - The reason why, should be apparent to anyone who reads our exchange - After all, you go on a tangent and use in uncivil behavior as an excuse to not respond, or respond in anger.
Don't you see that your rhetorics hurt you more than me, in doing so?
hian 4 weeks ago
@hian
You now blatantly lying to me like this make things better? Is this the reason you came to this video?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu Firstly, you are the one that responded to my comment first - So no, I did not come to this video to interact with you - You however, came to this video and started to interact with me.
hian 4 weeks ago
@hian
Like I said, you cane here to talk trash about me with your ignorance in Real Ninjutsu and indirectly insulted me..... NOT CIVIL at all and now you spam with off topic baloney.
Allow me to ask you in a civil way...Can you show me your GREAT skills and shot a Yumi on a tree? Fair and civil enough?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu Again, where did I trash talk you? Making a criticism does not equal talking trash - This only means your ego is so big you're completely unable to handle any kind of criticism at all.
Why are you asking me to shoot a Yumi from a tree? This makes no sense what so ever.
hian 4 weeks ago
Attention everyone, here is the Gamebreaker : The Saika Ryu was more than HOW to use a gun, it was HOW TO MAKE A GUN. The Saika style of making matchlocks and such was the real reason they used the guns-- because they made them ! Thus, the Saika Ryu does not predate the manufacturing of Matchlocks. Thus, there is no way that Saika Ryu came from Korea. End of story.
SweetgrassScout 4 weeks ago
@SweetgrassScout
What a complete MORON! Sayaga (saika and also known as Kim Chung Seon) taught Korean how to use rifles and he came from Japan. GAME OPENER for the truth!!!!!!!!!
Get your facts straight and then try looking looking like a know it all.
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
The big question here is why is Gregs' Ninja bow the same as the one in Japanese research (maybe by Nawa) and only appears in modern books. Why would his secret bow be the same as this?
TSOAS2008 1 month ago
@TSOAS2008 I agree. I think the sources that Greg is getting his information from should be in the foremost of everyone's minds! Why does it mirror the information you have put out. Greg is infamous for using other people's research to legitimize himself without getting permission or giving credit where it is due!
ExposeChosunNinja 1 month ago
@ExposeChosunNinja
Last time i checked. people miss things and i fill them in. Lets see if the infamous clowns who call themselves Ninjutsu practitioners starts copying my medicine and authentic Ninjutsu teachings. If Bujinkan claims they teach it now...People will clearly see who is copying who.
KoreanNinjutsu 1 month ago
@KoreanNinjutsu You know, its against Youtube TOS policy to have multiple accounts.
SweetgrassScout 1 month ago
@SweetgrassScout
Well that never stopped the haters now did it? So what is your point? You parasites can make more than me and be a clown but I can not teach people more?
Am I suppose to be shocked and stop because you commented? HAHAHAHA! Keep trying.
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@SweetgrassScout I think it's only a violation if you've had an account terminated by Youtube, which Greg has, so either way he's in violation of their policy. Problem is, they don't seem to want to either hear about it or do anything about it.
ExposeChosunNinja 4 weeks ago
@ExposeChosunNinja
You really should be telling baffoon and the other wannabe volcanic Island culture police about this first.
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu I will teach that which I have personally been taught by my teacher. Nothing more. Nothing less. I have no intentions of copying anything that you or Antony present, because it is simply useless information to me if it has not been taught to me by someone who I know knows what they are doing and talking about, and who has been taught it from the source. If there are parallels, that is not my fault!
ExposeChosunNinja 4 weeks ago
@ExposeChosunNinja
So he taught you PVC?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008 -Dean would be the one to ask he has Nawa's books.
ToLightToFight 4 weeks ago
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KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008
Big QUESTION?????? Really? Anyone a real researcher of TRUTH?
Modern bows looking?.... I could have sworn Korean bows looks the same back then as it looks now! --Am i changing my stories about the bow now too?
GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK with your twisted interpretations!
How are you going to deny this Antony? Telling people I am lying like the rest of these defeated kids or will you put words into my mouth?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu I have no idea what you are even reffering to Greg? I said, why does your ninja bow represent the same style as Nawas bow, which is not in the historical record of the ninja? Its not an insult. It is a question.
TSOAS2008 4 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008
Antony, here we go again. If the Ninja bow I was taught looks like a Korean style bow or a Chinese style bow and you didn't find it in a book or a scroll...this is what was taught to me. If Japanese historical records or even museums don't have anything like these Korean short bows..then nobody from the Japanese system should copy me. This answer good enough?
Now as for the "NOT" Ninja mentioned on the video, Is everyone just as retarded & blind as PVC Ninja?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008
Antony, you mean to tell me that you can not notice the similarities of my Ninja bow to Korean traditional bows back far in history? And the big question was??????
referring to: "Gregs' Ninja bow the same as the one in Japanese research (maybe by Nawa) and only appears in modern books."
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu The problem with your little blurb here is that your bows don't look anything like traditional Korean bows either. They look like pawn shop recurves that you have chopped up and violated.
ExposeChosunNinja 4 weeks ago
@coyoterunner7 Have you ever asked yourself why the term Nintaijutsu only appears in two places. In Greg's videos, and on Naruto Anime. I have never seen the term used anywhere else.
ExposeChosunNinja 1 month ago
Anthony-Off topic. BTW .Still waiting you to post some Info on Shinobi Firearm Tactics etc.Been reading quite a bit on the Shimazu clan.Pretty interesting stuff.Cant wait to see what you have found out.
ToLightToFight 1 month ago
@ToLightToFight as i know there are no tactics? Nothing i have read. There are firearms in the bansenshukai with tricks. But what do you mean by tactics?
TSOAS2008 4 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008 -How they would employ them in there operations.But you have answered my question.
ToLightToFight 4 weeks ago
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barbarydoll 1 month ago
i love this channel . its not buyist, and is fair to both sides with resin
kagetora7tsukiyo 1 month ago
I applaud and respect the research you are doing, but i dont think the people who actively go out of their way to troll Choson ninja and his students and try to get him banned have any intention of working peacefully with him. if i was greg, i'd be suspicious about having anything to do with such people as well.
ASHJBKH2 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@ASHJBKH2 Its the natural consequence when a person lies and steals. It is very simple.. Lying and Stealing = Negative consequences. Greg is not running from "trolls"--- he is running from the results of his own actions.
SweetgrassScout 1 month ago
@SweetgrassScout
Run?....You and other stalkers who has no life outside of ChosonNinja and proves it should be talking?
What was it about your obsession again?
Perhaps I should I say "actions" rather than obsession. Is that better?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@ASHJBKH2 nobody wants him banned and no one is trolling him. Trolling is unfair review? I am pointing out where he is wrong and the other giy by using historical documentation, that is trolling?
TSOAS2008 4 weeks ago
@TSOAS2008 i wasnt saying you are trolling, i respect what you are trying to do. i was merely saying that SOME of his critics seem to attack him obsessively, (i dont know whether you work with them or not) and its little wonder that he is reluctant to work peacefully with everyone.
ASHJBKH2 4 weeks ago
@ASHJBKH2 Hey. I understand your concerns here. Believe me when I say, I would like nothing more than to never have to utter another word or write another comment to Greg Park ever again. The trouble is, I have difficulty turning the other cheek when I see a raving egomaniac teaching dangerous things to ignorant people, free or not, and flat out lying to people. I simply cannot turn away from that. I apologize if that offends you!
ExposeChosunNinja 4 weeks ago
To be perfectly clear : My cold response to these individuals is not to cover the entirety of their life. I wish them a good and healthy life, and that they have happiness and that they are free of suffering. Beyond that, I wish that they became from of attachment and aversion. I wish they have joy. This goes to Greg too. My "issue" is not with them as human beings... my attacks manifest when they involve themselves in Fake Ninjutsu-- and to that end, they need to be crushed.
SweetgrassScout 1 month ago
@SweetgrassScout "..become from" = "become free from"
SweetgrassScout 1 month ago
Ash is different, it not the same. To test this out burn different kind of papers.
LittleImpaler 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I would just like to comment about the collapsible bow.
Antony says to use a shorter bow, lets say the shortest a bow can go is about the length of an adults arm. That is still pretty hard to conceal and still be able to maneuver freely. If one use a collapsible bow that could break down to the length of an adults fore arm it would be easily concealed and not hamper maneuvering. It would probably be utilized in getting into position in a crowded area or something like that.
AtomicToyRobot 1 month ago
@AtomicToyRobot Some Asian bows were small enough to carry in a holster either strapped to a horse or strapped to a person's back. They could easily be concealed and carried as they were light and small.
ExposeChosunNinja 1 month ago
@AtomicToyRobot A Ninja would also probably not carry a bow, collapsible or otherwise into a crowded area, because he wouldn't be able to use it in any kind of effective way anyway. If a Ninja were posing as a Samurai from the enemy ranks however, he could walk around carrying a full length Yumi, and no one would bat an eye at him, so your point is moot!
ExposeChosunNinja 1 month ago
@ExposeChosunNinja
Listen I'm no historian nor am i claiming to be, nor have i studied any form of martial arts. The only training ive had is in boxing. I was just stating what I thought made sense. People use collapsible rifles for the same reasons I said, I just took that logic and applied it to the idea of a bow. That's all saying my point is moot I feel isn't necessary, regardless of ur responce I still believe it is a very plausible scenario.
AtomicToyRobot 4 weeks ago
@AtomicToyRobot Fair enough! I will pm you a site that talks about the various historical bows used throughout Japanese history. Perhaps this information will shed some light on things.
ExposeChosunNinja 4 weeks ago
Antony your vid is a little confusing, you say you can't find a ninja bow, then you hold up a scroll and you say "ninja bow? lol.... and its realistic for a take-down arrow to fit in a hat... + take-down/collapsible bows are very real. as well it would be nice if you give more info on that short bow.
crookedninja5 1 month ago
Instead of any name calling (by all parties) I think it would be better to use this oppertunity to discuss these and other issues as adults, Mr Parks has been good enough to come onto this site, so this is a real chance to ask him any questions you may have, also for him to put forward some of his beliefs and teachings.
j2091957 1 month ago
@j2091957 Agreed. This video is about the ninja bow, hiding powder and the types of asian archery. Not Greg's lineage.
TSOAS2008 1 month ago
@TSOAS2008
You think this is going to stop them? Just because you say so? Did you start all of this in the first place Antony?
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
I wasn't going to post anything here. But here it is. What the hell...
Look everyone. Greg Park has been "ousted" as a fraud on numerous occasions all over Youtube and the Internet. It's getting boring. Of course he's lying about Kim Kei Mei. Of course he's lying about Koka and Saika. Of course he's lying about his 12 ninja seniors. That's what Greg Park DOES. Anyone who can't see it now is just in on it or .... well... stupid. I honestly think he suffers from a disorder. The end.
WilltheWriter 1 month ago
@WilltheWriter Its more than simply showing how someone is fabricating material--- it is also about addressing each fabrication within the large fabrication. For example, exposing the reality of Kyujutsu, the truth of Saika mercs, the truth of "sniper skills", etc.etc.. Its like killing an entire flock of birds with one stone.
SweetgrassScout 1 month ago
@SweetgrassScout
I agree with all that you're saying. It's just that you guys really have your work cut out for you with Greg... He's one of the most manipulative, blatant liars I have ever seen. At least Ashida Kim can be funny...
WilltheWriter 1 month ago
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barbarydoll 1 month ago
@WilltheWriter Antony has his work cut out. I refuse to work with Greg Park until he stops his fabrication. Antony and I work on the same team, but it does not mean that we have the same mindset. Antony has compassion for people and wants to bring everyone up to speed... I say cut the cancer out. Antony wants everyone to have a chance. I say "F**k that." If "plastic ninjas" are willing to change-- fine. But most are unwilling to change, and you can't work with that..says I.
SweetgrassScout 1 month ago
@WilltheWriter and this is because, in the "ninja community", those who enact frauds often times are serial liars... one big lie compounded by numerous smaller lies. Thus, it is never just a job of saying "He is teaching real material, but he is a liar about lineage". It almost always is a matter of "He is lying about lineage.. and everything else." Therefore, ousting a fraud is inseperable with having to correct lots of misinformation.
SweetgrassScout 1 month ago
@WilltheWriter Will no one is really talking about his lineage, only his believers belive him. This is not a problem. The main issue here is the powder, the bow and the theft of information. P.S i have been trying to get hold of you for ages! Can you inbox me please.
TSOAS2008 1 month ago
@TSOAS2008
For some reason, I have recently been having an issue with my "sent" box. I'll pm you.
WilltheWriter 1 month ago
@WilltheWriter
You must be a good science fiction writer. Write alot of books on throwing shurikens and endangering kids as truth you tell right?
Talk about a fool lying fool claiming others lie. WAKE UP people and watch this science fiction writer lie his anus off...What the hell!!!
Childish whining and claiming "Greg is a liar" all you defeated kids got?
ChosunNinja 1 month ago
@ChosunNinja
Yeah I'm pretty good at writing science fiction. The Dinalarian should be out on Amazon by next spring/summer. Would you like a copy?
WilltheWriter 1 month ago
@WilltheWriter
What the hell...HELL NO!
KoreanNinjutsu 1 month ago
@WilltheWriter I will take one will
TheRichsalley 1 month ago
@TheRichsalley
I'll remember to send you one.
WilltheWriter 1 month ago
@ChosunNinja
Hey Greg! What about another 'chi-power'-demonstration? LOL
/watch?v=d6W1pohWJe0
Micahel213 1 month ago
@Micahel213
If i don't, are you going to threaten and scare me with your wrist exercises striking abilities?
Oh...I am so scared!
KoreanNinjutsu 1 month ago
@KoreanNinjutsu
I'll show you some 'wrist excercises'. Don't you worry. :-) And in the spirit of sharing for free, I'll even give you a lesson in angular kinetics.
Micahel213 1 month ago
@Micahel213
so will i...now jump high.
KoreanNinjutsu 1 month ago
@KoreanNinjutsu
Good for you. As educated as you are, maybe you can also demonstrate how Newton's 3rd law applies and/or how you can arrange it so that it contributes to optimal angular momentum of the stick.
Micahel213 1 month ago
@Micahel213
Did I forget to mention the gripping of the stick you display is the poorest and we will make sure people don't do it like that during the contributes to optimal angular momentum of the stick. (?)
We have to thank you for the incorrect ways you show so we point these out too.
ChosunNinja 1 month ago
@ChosunNinja
Really now? Are you going to elaborate on that or are you just going to say ''you are wrong I am right'' and leave it at that like you normally do? I'll demonstrate shortly my 'incorrect way' again. Make sure your people will watch so you can point out my errors.
Micahel213 4 weeks ago
@Micahel213
Your poor grip and your wrist exercises says it all. Everyone can view your pokes and wrist exercises. Nobody is blind! Hahahaha
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu
Everyone can view AND comment on my vids. Even you. Your students are welcome to view my vids. Humor me and explain to them in a comment on my vids where I err and why that's wrong. It's bad teaching not to explain why something is wrong.
Micahel213 4 weeks ago
@ChosunNinja
Btw, they are having a field day with you on MAP. Just click on the link under that Kali-class vid you posted on Janet's channel. And all I asked was: ''Which style is this?''. You claim this was taught to you by a LA-based GM. Just tell me his style. Or if you claim to have combined different styles just tell me one. Or was this way also taught to you in private and passed down for generations?
Micahel213 4 weeks ago
@Micahel213
you can pick on a girl and talk crap as much as you want. Its still not going to make you a good person or do I give a thought to it... SORRY!
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu
At least I'm a better person than you.
But please tell the audience. On which style or styles is your stickfighting based upon? You don't even dare to tell that, do you? You know why? Because that can be verified. And the actual practitioners would be insulted by your claim. But no matter. Janet would get the heat for it anyway. So why not share that little knowledge also?
Micahel213 4 weeks ago
@Micahel213
Keep telling yourself that as you pick on a girl and backstabbing people. Those with daggers in their back will believe you. OK?
Now jump!
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu
Just name the style(s). It's an easy question and easy enough to answer.
Micahel213 4 weeks ago
@Micahel213
Style?
ChosonRyu, Korean Ninjutsu, Kim Kei Mei system, and I call it Nintaijutsu! I wanted to just teach and call it ChosonDTG Karate for peace sake. But the crying never stopped and even more insult were thrown at me.
But the racism and constant harassment convinced me to now teach authentic Ninjutsu and watch the fakes cry about it.
If i have to call it one name. It's now going to be AUTHENTIC NINJUTSU!
KoreanNinjutsu 4 weeks ago
@KoreanNinjutsu
If your stick fighting is part of ninjutsu then why would you refer to it originally as Kali / Eskrima? Practitioners of Irish stick fighting or Baton de Combat wouldn't.
You have claimed that your stick fighting is taught by LA-