How did the universe defeat it's own scientific laws?

[Battery9876]

what moron..

[Poseidon500]

What moron? 

where?

[Battery9876]

@Poseidon500

you man you are a moron... watch your video again you will have no doubt about that.

[Poseidon500]

Hmmm..... no moron there.

[Poseidon500]

Well, at the end of the video, I ask all with more knowledge than I have to explain it, which should be a lot of people, because I am no scientist.

So why don't you go ahead ans do that instead of slinging arrogant insults.

Why don't you go ahead and do that.

[nakedapedude]

You didn't stomp anyone, "we don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer.

Further, there was no matter before the expansion, the beginning of the expansion was the beginning of matter.

There wasn't/isn't anything escaping from anything, the big bang wasn't an explosion, it was an expansion, you are conflating two different phenomena.

Weak.

p.s. your smugness makes you look like an ass.

[Poseidon500]

Whatever you say man.

Now piss off. Ok?

[nakedapedude]

@Poseidon500

Great come back dumbass, my points were perfectly valid, especially the one about your smugness.

[Poseidon500]

What kind of comeback do you expect when I was quite inebriated at the time.

[nakedapedude]

@Poseidon500

lol, fair enough.

[Poseidon500]

Now that I am sobrer, I will answer in a more reasonable fashion.

I am not that smug and the fact that you see smugness is delusion.

When you say that there was no matter before the "expansion" only supports what I was getting at in the video.

I am trying to say that the universe was created.

[nakedapedude]

@Poseidon500

To quote you "the entire matter and energy of the universe would have been stuck in one point in time"

You base your whole argument on this flawed premised and you conflate explosion and expansion throughout, therefore your argument is refuted. There there was no matter or time before the expansion began.

Further, causality requires time to be existent, it is not known whether causality applies to the beginning of universes and this argument has always been special pleading.

[Poseidon500]

If the matter and energy in the universe can neither be created nor destroyed in the universe as it is now, then when the universe was created, all of the matter and energy would have to of appeared all at once at the beginning of time.

[nakedapedude]

@Poseidon500

That sounds reasonable but I'm not an expert on such matters so my answer is, I don't know.

[Poseidon500]

Well, that is what I am trying to find out. Unfortunately, lately all I have recieved was your response, which did contain some thought, and the insults from Battery9876, which contained nothing but insults and no substance.

At least you were NOT being a troll. : )

[nakedapedude]

@Poseidon500

Is there something wrong with saying "I don't know"?

To be honest, I've never found first cause arguments to be particularly convincing. Even if you could somehow construct a solid irrefutable argument for the existence of a creator (and it hasn't yet been done), you would still have to explain the creator and how and why it created.

If that can't be done you might as well just say the origin of the universe can't be explained (thank you Carl Sagan).

[Battery9876]

If nakedapedude is willing to waste his time with a moron it's his choice..

[kegg3]

My explanation is that a giant unvisable pink unicorn created it so mine makes just as much sense as yours

[Poseidon500]

Wow. There are things in the universe that are certain.

There is always an asshole atheist who comes in arguing the same bullshit without the creativity to come up with their own insult.

Piss off.

[corvus6corax]

Is it beyond the humility of Theist to accept not having answers? "God did it! excluded".While it's having questions that defines us as thinking,intelligent,alive. Atleast it's the fun part.We may find some answers but not all.

Are you asking someone to sell you Atheism? Not gonna happen ,not for sale, the CHOICE to believe or not is for the individual alone.

HOWEVER! assuming true for a nano second, A heaven full of evangelist is a description of hell.

[Poseidon500]

I can fully agree with your last sentence. : )

Also, the CHOICE is for the individual alone.

Thank you for the honest responce. I appreciate it.

[manofwar1305]

Science at the moment could not explain the Big Bang, but it does not fill in the gaps by introducing an unexplainable god. Science continues to perform its research, and because of it's methodologies it continues to get closer to the truth. Your explanation brings more problem since you tried to explain the origin of the universe but did not explain the origin of it's creator.

[Poseidon500]

For the universe to have a creator, this creator must have always existed. therefore there is no orgin for this creator.

[LazersFromJimmy]

Why don't YOU look it up. Or ask an astrophysicist. Scientists do not have all the secrets of the universe, but (and it's a crucial but) they don't claim to either.

[Poseidon500]

So scientific progress is good then.

And?

[LazersFromJimmy]

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I never said scientific progress is 'good'. As an ethics and morality guide, the bible is far superior to Newtons laws of thermodynamics, but biblical attempts at physics (and large swathes of human history) are laughable.

[TungstenOrWolfram]

/watch?v=V026kSw4XCs

[vicmackey2008]

Sure, I would agree the universe arose from something. Did it arise from nothing? Of course not. Did it arise from the implosion of a previous universe? Was it created by a God (and this would seem wonder which of the thousands of Gods did it, and if they designed it specifically, or set something in motion that flows wherever it may). Was it monsters from outside the universe like in some H.P. Lovecraft novel? Was it Aliens? We just don't know.

[bananasamichz]

First the big bang was not an explosion.

Second, as I posted on another one of your videos, high density is not all it takes to form a black hole.

[Poseidon500]

Well then what was the Big Bang?

What caused it to expand?

Something had to decide it's creation. It could not be nothing.

[bananasamichz]

And that's what science seeks to answer, so why assume anything, let science find out why.

It will eventually find out, in our lifetimes? Maybe not, but we'll know the answer eventually.

[Poseidon500]

That is if humanity lasts long enough. ; )

[GoldenOgre]

VirtualHolocaust just layed the smack down on you.

[Poseidon500]

Well, half a smack. Not a full on smack.

[SuperDoomandgloom]

I'm sorry, dude.

You don't deserve my lashings.

As in you deserve what all decent humans deserve..... kindness.

Again, I'm sorry.

My innate hatred of theism is something I will struggle with all my life.....

You win.

[Poseidon500]

I don't think you "hate" theisim. It is more likely that you are disgusted with all the harm that has been done in the name of religion.

I am disgusted with religion myself. Not with theisim, but religion.

[SuperDoomandgloom]

I think both.

Again, sorry.

[Poseidon500]

Dude, to hate and be disgusted with theism as opposed to religious, or a religious denomination, is unwise.

I don't hate atheism, even though there was a point in time when I did.

People are allowed to believe what they want to.

[SuperDoomandgloom]

How is it unwise to disbelieve in that which has no evidence???

[Poseidon500]

I was not talking about disbelief. I was talking about hatred for different points of views, and intolerance for an others beleif system.

[chrisalien5]

at the beginning of the universe there was more energy than there was mass. the mass that existed was too energetic to form a black hole so it all flew apart.

the force of gravity is weak; you give it too much credit.

[Poseidon500]

Nice answer. It was probably a huge fusion explosion of some sort.

[Poseidon500]

Listen "Yoda", the Christian God is the only One that is written about that possesses the traits of existing outside our linear timeline. There are a few biblical references to support this as well.

1. "I Am" which suggests no before or after, but He just is.

2. "For God a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day."

3. "I Am the Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and the End."

Continued......

[Poseidon500]

If these "primative people" who wrote the bible,were so unadvanced that did not even know that the earth is round instead of flat, how could they have come up with a concept that goes beyond our linear timeline?

[Chuck1863]

At one time people didn't know why volcanoes erupted. Their best explanation was an angry god living in the mountain. Now we know better. They introduced gods for just about everything and every time, that explanation has failed. Now we don't know why the universe is expanding and, to no one's surprise, yet another god is being offered as explanation. Does no one ever learn from past mistakes? Are we do believe that this time the god is real after so many failures of gods to explain anything?

[Poseidon500]

I find the fact that you compare the idea of the One God to all those phoney ones quite disturbing and disruptive.

We know about many laws of physics including the equation that is used to describe a "black hole"

The uiverse defeated this equation, yet the equation remains.

This means that at one point in time, the laws of physics were not always as they are now.

How could that happen? I mean, that's supposed to be impossible. unless the impossible is possible.

[Chuck1863]

That's seems a bit silly. If something happened then it's not impossible. It doesn't mean it's magic. It means we don't know all there is to know about the physics involved in the process. If the expansion of the universe is impossible because it defies known physics then creation by a god is impossible for the same reason.

How am I being disruptive? Just by disagreeing with you?

[Poseidon500]

Well, those phoney gods don't exsit. The creator of the universe may very well indeed exist.

[Chuck1863]

Lots of things might exist. That doesn't seem like a good reason to believe that all of them actually do exist.

[Poseidon500]

Well something had to start the ball rolling, and I will not dismiss God's existence.

Nobody should.

[bananasamichz]

Why shouldn't anyone dismiss his existence? There is absolutely no scientific evidence of his existence, it's like saying people shouldn't dismiss the existence of the tooth fairy.

[Poseidon500]

By God I mean the creator of this universe. It should not be dismissed. The tooth fairy should me dismissed.

I think that you just don't like the term "God".

That is fine. However we have a universe, it could not have formed from nothingness, so I assume it was created, by using the universe as this evidence.

You never saw your car being built, however, this does not negate the fact that someone designed it.

[Poseidon500]

Also, I never said it was magic.

[sykCalduil]

efforts, this is already a wall of text. I'll leave it at that for now. Thanks for reading it all.

[Poseidon500]

All opinions are welcome man.

Take care.

[sykCalduil]

and properties beyond that of our universe must have made the universe fly apart the way it did. So.. yep I'm saying the universe creation was deliberately done by a being.. who I'm gonna call just for the sake of argument God."

That's fine, if you want to do that. I mean yeah, it's empty speculation, but that's within the bounds of reason. What -isn't- is assigning specific traits to that god, like an interest in the universe he apparently made. More things obviously, but despite my best

[sykCalduil]

hard for us to grasp*.

We have only the slightest clue what something like that would do. We've only had the means to do an in-depth study of the origin of our universe for a very short amount of time. Because of this, our understanding of events "prior" to and during the Big Bang are fairly limited.

Before this becomes a wall of text, I'd like to make a comment on something you said. "That indicates to me that an outside force, that exists outside time and space, has different scientific laws

[sykCalduil]

Big Bang Theory is very had for us to grasp. As you say, "That's makes.. that's friggin' weird okay?" Remember, time and space did not exist (for lack of better term) "prior" to the Big Bang. Also, we have no experience with ANYTHING that dense. I'm sure you can appreciate just how much more massive (massive as related to amount of mass, not size) the entire universe pushed into one coordinate with no space is, compared to even that of a -million- Supermassive Black Holes.

[Poseidon500]

I am aware of all this. No space, matter or time.

However, you cannot get something from nothing. That is impossible, unless the impossible is possible.

[SuperDoomandgloom]

Sorry, Kenny.

I'm just SO PISSED OFF at theism that I tend to lash out at theists....

I struggle hard to keep to the issues, rather than just say things designed to piss of theists. And sometimes I try to do both.

BTW, I heard that the cause of the big bang is actually the collision of two different universes. Not sure if that's fact, though.

[Poseidon500]

All kinds of theories man, but we can only go by what we have. We have this universe, and as far as we know, that's the only one. Unless you want to be a hypocrite and make up imaginary universes.

The universe somehow escaped it's own gravity. Something external had to cause that.

A scientifically plausable theory. God is indeed scientific.

So maybe atheists should stop pissimg me off by making up ANY THING THEY CAN to dismiss the fact that the universe defeated it's own laws of physics

[SuperDoomandgloom]

Yea!

So go fuck yourself, Poseidon-Fuck-tard!!!

[Poseidon500]

LOL.

You had better chill there little fella. : )

LMAO

[Poseidon500]

Also, if you keep that crap up, you will be blocked.

Keep it civil.